Lore summary for this lesson. As not everyone enjoys the lore presented in a story telling format, here are the most important bullet points of the video. However, this story is not complete, and if you feel that I left something out or didn’t address something I should have, there are more videos to come. Please read after full viewing: -All things are linked a chain of relation -The Shamans are descendants of the women of Rauh and practiced Sprite and Spirit magic -Rellana destroyed the town of Moorth -Rennala met the Full Moon and Rellana met the Dark Moon -The Carians have always had a “silver” connection -Radagon used the Great Rune Miquella would eventual receive to steal Rennala’s heart -Rellana chased after Messmer after she grows distant with Rennala -Rennala introduces Ranni to the Dark Moon as a “replacement” for her sister, making her the “third” sister -The Snowy Crone is a Noxian Mimic who teaches Ranni the truth of many things and manipulates her into initiating the Night of Black Knives -Rennala’s primary grief is the loss of her daughter and she is attempting to rebirth Ranni -The Numen came from another world via their stone coffins -The Congealed Putrescence is the “original” silver tear, and was used to create things like the claymen -The Moon of Nokstella is a man-made moon that literally guides stars in order to capture Starlight Shards -Starlight Shards are used to create the puppet tonics and Celestial Dew -Celestial Dew is the Primordial Drop of Dew that is used to create artificial life like silver tears and albinaurics -Using Spirit Magic, the Numens put souls in the Silver Tears and that leads to the birth of the Nox -The Nox are akin to a man made slave race that rebels by destroying the Black Moon by summoning an Astel -The Unnamed Eternal City used to sit where the hole in Leyndell is. This does not mean that Leyndell as the Erdtree Capital was present when the Eternal City was destroyed -The Nox Migrate to what is now known as Ordina and using Silver Tears they create a Mimic of the Full Moon, the Dark Moon, and set their plans in motion -The replacement of the Black Moon with the Dark Moon is reflected in Rennala replacing Rellana with Ranni -All things yearn eternally to converge
The vow - it is either golden order atonement OR the unity of the house of the moon. The vow isn't one Miquella made between Radhan - it existed before them. 😮
The woman depicted on Rauh statues may not be Marika, but rather one of her ancestors (grandma?). The statue in the Maliketh arena is also still a mystery
I think the statue is ranni, but I think it was born before it was constructed, as a sort of prophecy. The statue is a young woman surrounded by three wolves. Ranni gives you the lone wolves ashes which is three wolves. She also has three wolves spawn directly outside her tower. She also has three wolves in the form of blaidd iji and the player character. I don't count selivus since he's a traitor. I think Ranni might be a prophesied savior somewhat like Azhor Ahai or the prince that was promised.
Marika cannot be since acording to the crafting book found there It belongs to an "ancient civilization that the hornsent studied" so It must be previous to their age, previous therefore to the arrival of the numen
I think the statue is linked to the wolf-infested woods near bonny village, where the snakeskin and o mother gesture are found. Directly east of where you find the toothed whip.
@@fluffygab yea this place has some crazy lore in it. Possibly also linking stuff with godskins. Also you guys also have a vibe that inquisitors (most notably the fat one) are similar to godskins?
I do love the idea of the moon sorceries actual destructive power being capable of leveling towns in sufficiently concentrated and focused bombardments.
“The time has come,” the Snow Crone said, “to speak of many things…of MOONS and JARS and CORPUS WAX…of MIMIC TEARS and kings…and why the FORGE is BURNING hot…and whether STARS have wings.
I just realized something from this, both the eternal darkness spell and dark moon spell can nullify spells and incantations, so is that why Ranni wanted to bring the elden ring into the dark moon? Because the dark moon can block the power of the Gods? My theory was that Ranni has the ability to see the future just like her astrologer ancestors and the dark moon blocked her sight making her unable to see the future, and that's why she was enchanted by the dark moon. It showed her an uncertain unknowable future unlike the destiny decided for her by the two fingers, and that's why she said those words at the end " unto fear, doubt, and loneliness" because that's how she feels going into this uncertain future. If the dark moon can also block the power of the outer gods then it makes more sense for her to create her order on the dark moon.
I rarely see this reading. It's very validating! Essentially, the fear, doubt and loneliness are the price to pay for sovereignty or taking one's own path. We cling to ideologies, religions, etc because they are a path defined. They are lit and well-trodden. But also seem to lead to the same inevitable ends. The way forward is in the directions yet to be lit.
Marikas braids came after she made the pact in the gate of divinity, if u look frame by frame the cs u can see the long hair getting braided by the weird wind, like sealing a pact. Rauh ruins predates all that, it's an ancient civilization even for the hornset and Marika came from the shaman village. Hence is possible that the woman huge statue is NOT Marika since this could probably predate her.
Stakes of Marika with her braid are everywhere in Elden Ring. From the underground Ancient Dynasty to the forever Crumbling Farum Azula. Marika is much older than she is giving credit to being.
@@JackisaMimic those are strictly game mechanic elements for respawn, what will they use to respawn in those places then? If U tell me that there are statues of her in those places I would buy it but not the stakes. The only moment we see Marika with the hair not braided is in the cs when she's becoming a God. All visual references of her in game are from that point onwards, she can't be the Rauh statue (which would mean she was a prominent figure there) at the same time that she became a God since from point 0 she started with the erdtree and her golden order. Plus the fact we know she's from the shaman village. I'm inclined to believe as suggested in the cookbooks that Rauh is ancient and way before Marika's time. Don't forget that before Marika there was other God (Gloam eye Queen imo, now reinforce with the shape of her sword......a spiral) another Lord (her Lord imo as well Placidusax) that would explain a lot of Godskin features and places where they are located but that's another story :v.
Rebirth Monuments exists in game with no discernible details or archeological significance. If Stakes of Marika were just supposed to be “strictly game mechanic elements” why do are they depicting the most important character in the lore? She’s called the Eternal for a reason. If Marika is just from the Shaman Village how can she have a close relationship with the Black Knife Assassins who hail from the Eternal Cities?
@@JackisaMimic yes, she's is Queen Marika the eternal, imo name given due to her removing death in her order by removing destined death. We know Numen is a long live race, but not eternal. Look the chief of the shaman village, she looks like Marika after being defeated by us (like a stone statue). Eternal cities and it's inhabitants are tied with Marika by race, they are from the same stock as her aka Numens but much younger in time than her due to the fact the only Numen reference we get from the land of shadows is the shaman village. I think it's on point Marika is depicted in the stakes, after all she's the grace given entitity in the lands between, she took it from the tarnished and gave it back after, allowing us to "revive".
@@90piterr if its just a game mechanic, why is there no stake of marika in the academy of raya lucaria? i think there def should be one in front of renalla's boss room, if it was in fact just a regular game mechanic element just for respawning
I generally watch a few videos from a lore channel before subscribing, this time I subscribed halfway through the video. Not only your theory is intriguing, your storytelling is top notch. Amazing job, I'll be catching up on your previous work and looking forward to your future productions
The "endless mourning" after a horrible night, indeed. Great writing in this -video- lesson, -TH-camr Mimic- Preceptor! It's cool how you've been encouraging collaboration between yourself other -theorists- historians as well. I think it's possible that even the Numen may have been born in the Lands Between out of the Putrescence from the Stone Coffin ships somehow, to add yet another parallel between them and their eventual creation of the Nox.
Question for you Jack: how do you interpret that line on the Swordstone monument: “Radagon’s glory burns as bright as his hair” ? Chef’s kiss video as always!
Holy crap, the vow wasn't made by Miquella and Radhan, it was made by Radagon and Rennala, and Miquella is trying to honor it (in his own really messed up way). Someone needed to have him listen to the turtle for a bit.
@@JackisaMimic I wrote a reddit post on it a few hours ago in case you're interested (A Turtle Pope Explains the Vow). I really can't wait to see the rest of your series. Superb video!
How would you prefer me to refer to you? Just show your reddit post and use that username. Do you want me to use your youtube information and show your profile picture of your face and use your name? Let me know what you feel comfortable with.
Isn't it worth noting though that the crafting recipes left from the hornsent archaeologists are for crafting the bondstones? Doesn't that show that the shaman society worked with the sprites, while the hornsent who uncovered the ruins saw how to use the sprites for attacking?
Some others have already pointed it out but I don’t think the statues in Rauh depict Marika. Rauh is ancient, even to the Hornsent civilization. This makes Rauh one of the oldest places in the lands between, possibly only beaten by the Uhl-era (considering their architecture seems older, is less decorative and more practical). But she was clearly important and chances are we don’t know her. She COULD be the Grandmother. She COULD be the GEQ (unlikely Imo). But it’s also likely that she’s an unnamed prior monarch. Edit: Similar to the statue of the “dynast” the old man clutching a tablet. Clearly old and important yet we know nothing about him.
Stakes of Marika, depicting the long lived seldom born Eternal Queen, exist in every region in the entire game yet it’s hard to think that she is an ancient being with long reaching influence?
I would like to add that due to Esgar, the Blood Noble in the catacombs of the Sub. shunning grounds, wearing the great hood, who drops the Lord of Bloods excultation, we can surmise some very important things: thanks to the sorcerer painting reward which also is the Greathood, located near the stragazer's ruins, where we have a beautiful full view of rennala's moon, the great hood states: Hood far larger than the head it is meant to cover. A burial shroud of sorts for those who discover, at long last, the truth they sought. Increases intelligence and faith to the detriment of HP. "Yes, surely this is the moon that young Rennala gazed upon." Upon this very moon, whose great rune can we clearly see? Miquella's great rune! To my knowledge, this is the only part in the game where we have such a clear view of renallas moon. This clearly connects to the bewitching power of the Egg that renalla cradles, reminds me a lot of how those reborn by renalla look young aka. Nascent. Back to the lord of blood's exultation: A talisman depicting the exultation of the Lord of Blood. Raises attack power when blood loss occurs in the vicinity. "Render up you offerings of blood to your Lord. Drench my consort's chamber. Slake his cocoon's thirst. His awakening shall herald the dawn of our dynasty" Just goes tho show how Miquella was pulling the strings from many a powerful demigod
I think that it’s much more likely to be Ranni’s Great Rune. While both she and Miquella discarded their runes, we can actually find what’s left of Miquella’s. Ranni’s however, remains nowhere to be seen, unless it’s actually been right in our face this whole time
@@michaeljohnston8891 i would agree were it not for the fact that the great hood states that that's "surely the moon upon which young renalla gazed upon" ranni`s moon is the dark moon
I had been saying that the wolves Rennala summoned in her phase 2 had significance and everybody kept downplaying it and saying the summons were just random things. Even though each summon is something that is tied to the Carian family, a dragon for Adula, a troll for Iji and the Carian troll knights, a bloodhound knight to symbolize Blaidd and then the DLC added that bit about the wolves. And it feels really good to finally be validated
Miquella is indeed a time traveler. That's how I'm able to leave this comment here and now, long before Jack explains to you all how Miquella is indeed a time traveler.
@@justkubz jajajajaha....gowry explains that miquella and malenia born in the end of the age of the erdtree...are you ignoring decriptions and dialogues to make your theories fit?
@Thrasher-92 I'm simply attempting to mimic something I've seen others do, which I believe they call 'joking'. It appears I was unable able to fool your quick-witted nature. Jokes aside, it was a reference to a previous video that Jack did where he left us all wondering how Miquella could possibly be a time traveler. As a fan of the channel, I like to support the content by engaging with it in the ways I can, through liking and commenting. Some of us don't take things too seriously when it comes to theories, as they are merely that after all. I wish you all the best kind stranger.
@@justkubz i think that theories like this are wrong, cause some people take it to real, and that feed the confusion, and the lore, the real lore, gets corrupted....i know you are jocking, but, just in case its not a joke, my duty as a lore seeker its to point to what i think its wrong or right...i wish you the best too...please, keep all of us making TRUE lore together, and try to makr the best and more accurate theories possible
@Thrasher-92 As an aside, just because someone was said to have been born at a certain time or place doesn't entirely eliminate the fact that they could travel backward through time. I mean, they would have to have been born after all. So I'm not sure that the point you provided would really disprove any sort of theory about Miquella being a time traveler.
@Thrasher-92 well, respectfully, I think you're wrong for thinking that a silly comment is "corrupting" the lore, and I would also put forth the fact that we're talking about a video game that we all enjoy and love, so again, respectfully, take the gatekeeping and go somewhere else with it 🙃
Shadow of the colossus was such an amazing and ethereal, mysterious game. Excellent use of the theme in the beginning. Just watched the last one, it was great!
This is not meant to be a hate comment. Where do we have the information that marika's people are descendants from Rauh? As far as I know Marika is a numen, in the dlc they call her a shaman. And from the base game we know Numen's are not from the lands in between. We also know the lands of shadows is part of the lands in between. (Source: Tower in the middle of the map, that says, here is the middle point of the Lands in between)
Consider watching my previous video: The Eternal Struggle of Queen Marika. I cover the connection in that video, but here is the long and short of it: The reliefs on the Stone Coffins show us that they predate and are connected to the Ancient Dynasty. The Black Stone Civilization(Guardian Golems and the structures that are built into the earth) are connected to the Ancient Dynasty thanks to the evidence in the High Road Cave (Guardian Golem, Blue Dancer Charm). The Rauh Ruins have the same architecture as the Black Stone Civilization and Guardian Golems are present. The Rauh Ruins only have statues of women, namely a women who wears a veil and has braids in her hair, both related to Marika. The people of Rauh worked in Sprite and Spirit magic. The Shaman's are a group of all women who also work in spirit magic, as per the Japense names for both the Shamans and the Numens being related to spirit-like persons. Hope this helps!
@@JackisaMimic Didn't knew that, but now I have watched that Video. I still don't see the connections. The statues found in Rauh look nothing alike to Marika, or her kin. Marika has different braids, and a different crown, same goes for the women in the village with the golden tree has. I assume her mother, or atleast also a numen. As for the blackstone connection I have no idea what you are going to? In rauh are no golems like in the base game. The scarlet rot connection is also a different one, from the description from Romina we know they started the cult of the knosp after a fire. Under Liurnia the presumed rot goddess is sealed, by the blue dancer. Where is the connection to marika here? To the stone graves in the ceruluan shores. In the current german version, the description for the stone coffins, mentiones them coming from underground. I don't see how they come from outer space, and how it is related to the numen.
@@rikley8153In the Spanish localisation the coffins are also said to come from underground, which is sooooo interesting. The Numen could come from underground, tho. From "another world" doesn't necessarily mean from outer space. It makes me think of the Tuatha Dé Dannan from Irish mythology and their connection to burial mounds, spirits and godlike status (saint material?). Do you think the tombs where built as tombs that resemble ships (due to the multiple connections of death and water) or were they actual vessels that came from space, ended underground after a collision that killed most of its passengers and were slowly resurfaced? I'm more inclined to the first option, but who knows. Oh, I also wanted to mention that, although I agree with you in not seeing many of the connections presented (that woman's statue doesn't look like Marika's statues at all, for instance), there's one archer golem in Rahu's ruins, and those mound birds, which we can find aplenty in Rahu, (I don't recall the name in English) are golems as well, so there is at least some connection there to the civilisation that built the Divine Towers.
To be fair, it's only stated that the Numen are "descendants of denizens from another world", it is very likely that the Numen were all born in The Lands Between and have little to know knowledge of their "alien" ancestors.
@@BigBadWolframio oh thats true, i forgot the archer golem. The grave birds are interisting, as in the german localization the share some text with the vertidis set, as they both mention a green rusting on the armor. I don't know what to make of the big tombs. They seem to look like ships. But actually lack any necessary equipment, like a mast or rowes. But I agree with you, that the water related topic with death may be the indicator. That's a nice theory.
As always another great dive into the lore. I don't really know how to contribute to this conversation other than to say it was a great watch. I do however have something unrelated that I haven't seen anyone discuss yet it seems like lore folks should be onto this by now: The Farum Azula Elden Ring makes more sense now: We couldn't figure it out and attributed the differences between the modern ring and the Farum Ring to missing runes. But now we know what the spiral means. The Spiral is a representation of the Crucible. The Farum Elden Ring is depicting an era in which the Crucible and the Elden Ring were connected. I theorize that the Crucibles are a counter balancing power to the Elden Ring. The Elden Ring is cosmic celestial power while the Crucible is more like divine power of the planet. I started down this theoretical path when I realized that Hornsent culture has no identifiable connection to the Elden Ring or Greater Will if we discount Marika. The Grandam, who reminds me of Enia, seems to speak to the Divine Beast Lion Dance in the same reverence Enia shows when talking to the Two-Fingers. Their iconography invokes the Spiral but not the rings. The fall of Farum Azula seems to indicate a prior shattering, one that split the Crucible and the Elden Ring (be it literally or a war). The Hornsent folks walked away from those events with knowledge and access to the powers of the Crucible while the Elden Ring seems to have vanished. We saw Marika becoming a god. I always thought that happened when she got the Elden Ring but it seems the events are separate. So where/how did she get it? We can't assume she took it from the Hornsent because the Hornsent Culture doesn't reference the Elden Ring (unless I missed something and that is still very much on the table). So where did she get it? Sorry for the lack of Mimics in this discussion but I do hope it has gained your interest. I'll make sure to stay on topic next video.
No mimics in this discussion?! You just explained how these cultures are mimicking each other! Looks like the spiral being removed from the Elden Ring is akin to its own shattering, and the world was in need of repair Excellent observations! I think you’re probably right
“Ka is a wheel; its one purpose is to turn. The spin of ka always brings us back to the same place, to face and reface our mistakes and defeats until we can learn from them” Stephen King
Loved this video as you opened my mind up to a lot of different ideas and theories I had spinning around up there. The only thing I’ll say that really stands out, is I don’t see much evidence to the dark moon also being created by the nox. You explained their relation to the black moon perfectly, but I don’t think that lines up as well with the dark moon just being 2.0. I know this is kind of out there, but I think it’s more likely the dark moon is a mimic of the greater will itself. Microcosm and Ymir’s hat both give this idea that the greater will is a void, and the dark moon has a distinctly similar void inside of it. The greater will was god giving will to creation, but that was horrifically ruined over the years, and the dark moon rises as a mimic of said divinity. That’s why Ranni is taught to fear it, it is a divine body that was created by and reflects mankind’s will, rather than the power or “light” of gods and the sun. With this understanding, Ranni’s ending perfectly mirrors the greater will creating its “order” or “age” and then leaving, but it left with souls and order still intertwined and able to be manipulated. God created life that eventually creates god.
Im glad you are trying to answer huge obvious weird things that big tubers ignore. Two moons. CMON its staring us in the face! I cannot wait for the Gloam Eyed Queen is Metyr video, look at the black flame insignia! its her face! look at the Talisman! they both have 4 fingers.... she has 4 fingers!
Marika's thighs, you did it. I completely agree with everything you said in this video and I'm being blown off my mind that I couldn't find the connection between putrescence and mimic tears first, even though that connection is quite obvious. I remember our discussion under the Godwyn video, but this time, there is literally nothing that I would object, and the overall structure of the video is just awesome. Thank you Jack, that was great!
Great video! I'm still not sold on that statue in Rauh representing Marika. Yes, she's the eternal queen, but I'm inclined to believe that she only attained that title after using the Divine Gate. I believe the shaman religion is being overlooked. We have many references to "impure" lives, foundational (base, vile, wicked, lowly) snakes, trees, and the "Grandmother." The Hornsent seem to have a stronger connection to the Ancient Dynasty than numen/shaman do. They are the spiritual beings while Numen/Nox are physical beings. The multiple references to "invaders" is trying to tell us something. They homogenized the outsiders and took the Numen knowledge of the tree/clayman/matrilineal leadership and incorporated it into their own culture. Hence the spiral tree tablets, the tree can be perceived as something akin to the spiral current of the crucible. Why would the numen leave their home? To find somewhere peaceful to settle, not to rule in their new home. The Nox tried to usurp Ancient Dynasty/Hornsent's God, but failed. Hornsent would arise at the end of the Ancient Dynasty as their spirituality is increased. The Hornsent mistreatment of the Shamans is what broke the peace. TLDR: Ancient people + Numen -> Ancient Dynasty -> Hornsent/Shaman + Nox -> Shaman (Land Betweeners) + Nox remnants
In my previous video I make the argument that the Shaman's are mimicking the Numen and mistake their scientific achievements as divine, but are not Numen. They see the enhancement of the Crucibles as a divine gift from the Heavens, so they are terrestrial beings who are viewing something coming from outside the Lands Between from space akin to angels sent from God. For instance, in this video I compare the coffins to the jars. When the time is right I will expand more on the Hornsent, there is a lot to learn about them and from them. As for Marika, her story is very far reaching. Isn't it curious that we find Stakes of Marika everywhere, even in places you think would predate her or not be related to her? With my videos, I will be attempting to make sense of the lore as one cohesive story, and I think Marika is the key to making it work.
Alright, it didn't click for me at first. Numen being seldom born and long lived and shaman being impure. The ancient dynasty is similar to ancient aliens on history channel.
Love the storytelling lore! Great work! Only complaint, music got H E L L A loud around like 12 mins. The dramatic swell was a *delight*, but was strugglin to hear your story! 👍🏼 🧑🎓 👍🏼
I still think Renna must have a far more interesting identity than simply being a random witch in the forest. The way Ranni talks about her gives me the feeling we might not even talk about a person. Maybe it's an aspect of Ranni herself that she "met", or discovered, while being alone in the wilderness. Maybe she is to Ranni like what Radagon is to Marika and St. Trina is to Miquella. A trait she shares with the other Empyreans. I find the relationship between Ranni and her mother Rennala very interesting. I'd love to know more about it. In the present, Ranni clearly loves, or greatly respects her mother who became a husk of her former self. But was that always so? Doesn't Ranni's search for a new mentor, and her following a dark moon instead of her mother's full moon - doesn't it all sound like a form of rebellion? Maybe something along those lines. Finding her own way in a world full of rules, a predestined path as an Empyrean and where she potentially has an overprotective mother who clings and cradles the only thing her lover left her upon his departure... And is it a coincidence that the name "Renna" so closely resembles that of "Rennala"? Maybe Renna is an alter ego of Ranni's mother, Ranni's "other mother", to cite the movie Coraline. Rennala might've come up with the form/identitfy of Renna to secretly guide her beloved daughter, away from the eyes of any royal court, academy or golden order. Her sane aspect, free of the eternal love sickness that broke her, which Radagon brought upon her. A cold witch, not burdened by emotions. Her hidden side. Hidden like the dark side of the moon. All that for Ranni to become the truly independent person who's eventually able to defy the gods and free the Lands Between.
I agree, she isn’t just a simple witch. She’s a silver mimic tear attempting to manipulate Ranni into going down the Dark Moon ending Next video I’ll explain further
@@JackisaMimic Personally, I like the idea that Rennala is Renna, or that Renna is Ranni's alter ego, a bit more. But I'm looking forward to your video and your arguments! It sounds like you're implying Renna had malicious intent (I'd consider manipulation to be malicious).
Kinda unrelated to the video but i have been wondering about the stake of Marika at mohg's boss room. We have seen that there are no stakes of Marikas at the places where she is not worshipped (Raya Lucaria, Farum Azula, Haligtree and Belurat to name a few). Mohg is strongly opposed to the golden order yet he has a stake of the god of the golden order who is also his mother who sent him to the sewers yet he has a stake of her next to his boss room. I think this implies that Marika might have actually visited the omen twins which would explain Morgott's devotion to the erdtree and why Mohg has a stake of his mom next to his boss arena. I feel like he thinks that what happend to them was out of her control. These are just my thoughts tho I would love to know what you think.
There are a lot of sort of narrative. Takes that you're having in here that I don't really recall being taken from dialogues or item descriptions. Are you taking a little bit of a personal spin on the narrative when you're describing say? For example, the Royal knights of the capital, hearing rumors of a silver skin Queen. And her armies of trolls eating humans? Just curious if there's more uncovered dialogue that I can go read into personally or if it's just a personal narrative either way, I do really enjoy. I find it very captivating
I show my sources in the corner of the screen. Things like the rumors about Carian are added by me for fun world building by trying to imagine what type of propaganda campaign would be used to muster troops, as well as to reflect current theories in the fandom. For instance - Albinaurics are seen as impure beings and have silver blood, and we have items that specifically mention that there were rumors of Latenna being an albinauric. There are also theories in the fandom that Rennala is an albinauric, so I just tied them together that there would be rumors by the small folk of this new queen. "If she has Albinaurics as knights, could she be one herself?" The Carian's have Troll Knights in their armies, which is a very high honor compared to how we see trolls throughout the Lands Between, which is as slaves who have stakes driven through their chests. "Monstrous trolls in her army, what does she feed them?! Her defeated enemies!?" As a reader of GRRM's other works, I try to add a bit of the flavor from his writings into my writing, but while not trying to take away from what is present in the game.
i kinda love the "throw it all at the wall and see what sticks" mentality here like sure, caria manor used to be the sun realm? why not! its more fun for this story, and it could be a dozen other forts or settlements... i like to prefer it being castle sol but it could just as well be a dark souls reference thrown in just for shits.
I theorize that all Norman style castles were part of the Sun Realm. Nearly every single one of them has Banished Knight weaponry, dragon canons, or storm hawk barricades. Caria Manor is a bit unique in that there are additional structures built towards the top of the castle, but it still follows many of the same architectural designs as the other Sun Realm castles. Liurnia is a more independent region but we do find that there is an alliance and amiability with the Sun Realm and its former vassals. For one we have the Gold Road running through the region(shout out Nameless Singer) but we also have the Icering Hatchet found in the Temple Quarter which is explicitly named as a gift from Castle Sol, an obvious Sun Realm era fortification.
It's interesting how Caria existed within the Shadow Lands even prior to Messmer's crusade, and whatever Marika did to create the Lands Between. Were led to believe that the Carians, who inhabited Caria Manor and the Cathedral of Manus Celes, descended from the mountaintop astrologers, in the Lands Between. Somehow though, they ALSO seem to have land within the Shadow Realm. It's almost as if the two lands actually were once one, intermingled. Or it's just bad writing.
@@JackisaMimic Hi, congrats again!. The pinned comment is great and helps a lot but I'm not confused by your facts or the story your telling, I think I'm getting confused because a lot is being layed out very very rapidly... I can tell because while watching the video I kept rewinding and feeling like "wait a minute, what was that about.... oh I see..." thats what I mean in relation to pace. But again, great piece of work! very interesting!
Are you suggesting again that radagon is a mimic of marika? Are the dlc not enough to leave behind that? I can understand why people still insinst in that theory when dlc destroyed it...erdtree is embodyment of life/order while scadutree is the embodyment of death/disorder... radagon/marika...the trees born at the same time, suggesting that the división of them cause a fracture in the whole, just like marika and radagon...the video its good, and the theory solid and interesting, only dont fit in the part of miquella rune and the mimic radagon
@@exiledark6573 if you use your logic, could realise that empyreans have the power to extract parts of themselves as miquella and marika did with radagon/trina...since we know trina is not a mimic of miquella, just his discarded love, we can assume radagon its the fidelity or loyalty of marika...same as millicent, shes the pride of malenia...no mimic im between
With all due respect, your theory, from 25:00 onward, is extremely hard to follow. Your effort to tell a story is getting in the way of your explanation. I don't care about theoretical people playing in a park. I don't care about the emotions they might have been feeling. And I certainly don't care to strain myself trying to hear a theory over their screaming. I still don't understand how we went from the Nox being mimic tears, to the moon collapsing, to the astrologers in the mountaintops.
Here is the long and short of it, rewatch the video if you want the sources. The Moon of Nokstella is an artificial moon used to collect Starlight Shards. Starlight Shards are used to create things like the Puppet Tonics, which is akin to slavery, and Celestial Dew, allowing for the Eternal Cities to create artificial silver life. That artificial life becomes sentient and want their freedom. The Nox summon an Astel to the destroy the Moon of Nokstella, which in turn destroys the Eternal City and stops the mass production of silver life. They migrate to the mountaintops (see Ordina, the Dragonkin Spirits, the Ice lightning) and hatch their plan for their coming age by create a mimic of the Full Moon, a new Black Moon, the Dark Moon. In a coming video I will explain when the Greater Will sent the Stars of Darkness against the Nox and forced them underground.
@@JackisaMimic ...Alright man. Double down then. I'm sure it will make your theories very easy to understand. Thank you for the explanation. However, I think it's a stretch.
That was actually a references at fan theories that Renalla is an Albinauric. It comes from evidence such as the Carians having nightfolk weaponry, employing Albinaurics as knights(Loretta), that Renalla and Phillia have the same siting position. It was a way to add flavorful and light world building. While not directly present in game, it is entirely possible that with the information we have as players that in universe characters could come to similar conclusions
@@JackisaMimicCome to think of it, do we ever see Rennala actually walk? In the boss fights first phase, she's suspended in the air, only falling to the ground once we knock around enough sweetings. Second phase is heavily connected to Ranni, with her possibly mimicking or controlling Rennala, or a projection of Rennala altogether. After the battle, she sits still, never walking.
The 2nd phase of her boss fight is essentially a “memory” of Rennala when she could walk. The remembrance we get of her is of her at her full splendor and not in her current state. You can even see this with the armor set and her staff. The armor set that can be purchased from Enia has a ring on her finger, much like she does in her second phase, but is not present on her NPC model. Her staff is also found outside of the Red Wolf of Radagon’s boss room but can be duplicated from her Remembrance We also see in the Stargazer Heirloom a depiction of her walking.
I wonder if Marika cloaked her son Miquella as Radagon to bewitch Rennala and then inherited the position of Rennala's lover after the obsession was cemented? 🤔
The conjectures here aren't backed up by observational evidence...like, why are you claiming that the Nox created Astel and destroyed their creators? you don't spend any time in this video establishing that claim. It bugs me and makes it feel not worth my time. I'm not here for your personal fanfiction- I'm here trying to engage in collectively solving this mystery for real.
Lore summary for this lesson. As not everyone enjoys the lore presented in a story telling format, here are the most important bullet points of the video.
However, this story is not complete, and if you feel that I left something out or didn’t address something I should have, there are more videos to come.
Please read after full viewing:
-All things are linked a chain of relation
-The Shamans are descendants of the women of Rauh and practiced Sprite and Spirit magic
-Rellana destroyed the town of Moorth
-Rennala met the Full Moon and Rellana met the Dark Moon
-The Carians have always had a “silver” connection
-Radagon used the Great Rune Miquella would eventual receive to steal Rennala’s heart
-Rellana chased after Messmer after she grows distant with Rennala
-Rennala introduces Ranni to the Dark Moon as a “replacement” for her sister, making her the “third” sister
-The Snowy Crone is a Noxian Mimic who teaches Ranni the truth of many things and manipulates her into initiating the Night of Black Knives
-Rennala’s primary grief is the loss of her daughter and she is attempting to rebirth Ranni
-The Numen came from another world via their stone coffins
-The Congealed Putrescence is the “original” silver tear, and was used to create things like the claymen
-The Moon of Nokstella is a man-made moon that literally guides stars in order to capture Starlight Shards
-Starlight Shards are used to create the puppet tonics and Celestial Dew
-Celestial Dew is the Primordial Drop of Dew that is used to create artificial life like silver tears and albinaurics
-Using Spirit Magic, the Numens put souls in the Silver Tears and that leads to the birth of the Nox
-The Nox are akin to a man made slave race that rebels by destroying the Black Moon by summoning an Astel
-The Unnamed Eternal City used to sit where the hole in Leyndell is. This does not mean that Leyndell as the Erdtree Capital was present when the Eternal City was destroyed
-The Nox Migrate to what is now known as Ordina and using Silver Tears they create a Mimic of the Full Moon, the Dark Moon, and set their plans in motion
-The replacement of the Black Moon with the Dark Moon is reflected in Rennala replacing Rellana with Ranni
-All things yearn eternally to converge
The vow - it is either golden order atonement OR the unity of the house of the moon. The vow isn't one Miquella made between Radhan - it existed before them. 😮
"The wheel of time keeps turning"
... and ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend.
Please add a warning label to your videos. It can't be healthy to have one's mind blown this thoroughly.
The woman depicted on Rauh statues may not be Marika, but rather one of her ancestors (grandma?). The statue in the Maliketh arena is also still a mystery
I think the statue is ranni, but I think it was born before it was constructed, as a sort of prophecy. The statue is a young woman surrounded by three wolves. Ranni gives you the lone wolves ashes which is three wolves. She also has three wolves spawn directly outside her tower. She also has three wolves in the form of blaidd iji and the player character. I don't count selivus since he's a traitor. I think Ranni might be a prophesied savior somewhat like Azhor Ahai or the prince that was promised.
Yeah i absolutely think that's the Grandmother, Not Marika
Marika cannot be since acording to the crafting book found there It belongs to an "ancient civilization that the hornsent studied" so It must be previous to their age, previous therefore to the arrival of the numen
I think the statue is linked to the wolf-infested woods near bonny village, where the snakeskin and o mother gesture are found. Directly east of where you find the toothed whip.
@@fluffygab yea this place has some crazy lore in it. Possibly also linking stuff with godskins. Also you guys also have a vibe that inquisitors (most notably the fat one) are similar to godskins?
I do love the idea of the moon sorceries actual destructive power being capable of leveling towns in sufficiently concentrated and focused bombardments.
Shadow of the Colossus soundtrack gets extra points.
The mirror helm also reflects light. The two fingers communicate through light. The helmets help them resist the influence of the fingers.
Also, it's cool that Iji wears one.
“The time has come,” the Snow Crone said, “to speak of many things…of MOONS and JARS and CORPUS WAX…of MIMIC TEARS and kings…and why the FORGE is BURNING hot…and whether STARS have wings.
The Carians really are the best part of the lore
I just realized something from this, both the eternal darkness spell and dark moon spell can nullify spells and incantations, so is that why Ranni wanted to bring the elden ring into the dark moon? Because the dark moon can block the power of the Gods?
My theory was that Ranni has the ability to see the future just like her astrologer ancestors and the dark moon blocked her sight making her unable to see the future, and that's why she was enchanted by the dark moon. It showed her an uncertain unknowable future unlike the destiny decided for her by the two fingers, and that's why she said those words at the end " unto fear, doubt, and loneliness" because that's how she feels going into this uncertain future. If the dark moon can also block the power of the outer gods then it makes more sense for her to create her order on the dark moon.
I rarely see this reading. It's very validating! Essentially, the fear, doubt and loneliness are the price to pay for sovereignty or taking one's own path. We cling to ideologies, religions, etc because they are a path defined. They are lit and well-trodden. But also seem to lead to the same inevitable ends. The way forward is in the directions yet to be lit.
Wow, your channel is SO UNDERRATED. Holy crap. The research you put in your videos is incredible.
*inhales*
I fucking love lore in the morning. Lore about the Carian royals, Raya Lucaria and the moons? I’m here
Marikas braids came after she made the pact in the gate of divinity, if u look frame by frame the cs u can see the long hair getting braided by the weird wind, like sealing a pact. Rauh ruins predates all that, it's an ancient civilization even for the hornset and Marika came from the shaman village. Hence is possible that the woman huge statue is NOT Marika since this could probably predate her.
Stakes of Marika with her braid are everywhere in Elden Ring. From the underground Ancient Dynasty to the forever Crumbling Farum Azula. Marika is much older than she is giving credit to being.
@@JackisaMimic those are strictly game mechanic elements for respawn, what will they use to respawn in those places then? If U tell me that there are statues of her in those places I would buy it but not the stakes. The only moment we see Marika with the hair not braided is in the cs when she's becoming a God. All visual references of her in game are from that point onwards, she can't be the Rauh statue (which would mean she was a prominent figure there) at the same time that she became a God since from point 0 she started with the erdtree and her golden order. Plus the fact we know she's from the shaman village. I'm inclined to believe as suggested in the cookbooks that Rauh is ancient and way before Marika's time. Don't forget that before Marika there was other God (Gloam eye Queen imo, now reinforce with the shape of her sword......a spiral) another Lord (her Lord imo as well Placidusax) that would explain a lot of Godskin features and places where they are located but that's another story :v.
Rebirth Monuments exists in game with no discernible details or archeological significance. If Stakes of Marika were just supposed to be “strictly game mechanic elements” why do are they depicting the most important character in the lore?
She’s called the Eternal for a reason.
If Marika is just from the Shaman Village how can she have a close relationship with the Black Knife Assassins who hail from the Eternal Cities?
@@JackisaMimic yes, she's is Queen Marika the eternal, imo name given due to her removing death in her order by removing destined death. We know Numen is a long live race, but not eternal. Look the chief of the shaman village, she looks like Marika after being defeated by us (like a stone statue). Eternal cities and it's inhabitants are tied with Marika by race, they are from the same stock as her aka Numens but much younger in time than her due to the fact the only Numen reference we get from the land of shadows is the shaman village.
I think it's on point Marika is depicted in the stakes, after all she's the grace given entitity in the lands between, she took it from the tarnished and gave it back after, allowing us to "revive".
@@90piterr if its just a game mechanic, why is there no stake of marika in the academy of raya lucaria? i think there def should be one in front of renalla's boss room, if it was in fact just a regular game mechanic element just for respawning
I generally watch a few videos from a lore channel before subscribing, this time I subscribed halfway through the video. Not only your theory is intriguing, your storytelling is top notch. Amazing job, I'll be catching up on your previous work and looking forward to your future productions
Oh dude you won’t regret it, Jack is THE BEST lore therorist-I mean, Precepter-in the lands between
I think you mean "the wheel weaves as the wheel wills". Elden Ring is how George would have "finished" The WoT series. 😅
The "endless mourning" after a horrible night, indeed. Great writing in this -video- lesson, -TH-camr Mimic- Preceptor! It's cool how you've been encouraging collaboration between yourself other -theorists- historians as well.
I think it's possible that even the Numen may have been born in the Lands Between out of the Putrescence from the Stone Coffin ships somehow, to add yet another parallel between them and their eventual creation of the Nox.
Question for you Jack: how do you interpret that line on the Swordstone monument: “Radagon’s glory burns as bright as his hair” ?
Chef’s kiss video as always!
Next video!
"From my blood will come the Prince That Was Promised..."
Holy crap, the vow wasn't made by Miquella and Radhan, it was made by Radagon and Rennala, and Miquella is trying to honor it (in his own really messed up way).
Someone needed to have him listen to the turtle for a bit.
Hey that sounds right to me! Miquella is trying to honor to Song of Ice and Fire! Told you all GRRM wrote Elden Ring.
@@JackisaMimic I wrote a reddit post on it a few hours ago in case you're interested (A Turtle Pope Explains the Vow). I really can't wait to see the rest of your series. Superb video!
I may have to reference that post in the future, you wouldn't mind if I did that would you? Please let me know!
@JackisaMimic I would be honored dude 😀
How would you prefer me to refer to you? Just show your reddit post and use that username. Do you want me to use your youtube information and show your profile picture of your face and use your name? Let me know what you feel comfortable with.
Isn't it worth noting though that the crafting recipes left from the hornsent archaeologists are for crafting the bondstones? Doesn't that show that the shaman society worked with the sprites, while the hornsent who uncovered the ruins saw how to use the sprites for attacking?
agreed! it's histories on top of one another for sure.
Some others have already pointed it out but I don’t think the statues in Rauh depict Marika.
Rauh is ancient, even to the Hornsent civilization. This makes Rauh one of the oldest places in the lands between, possibly only beaten by the Uhl-era (considering their architecture seems older, is less decorative and more practical).
But she was clearly important and chances are we don’t know her. She COULD be the Grandmother. She COULD be the GEQ (unlikely Imo). But it’s also likely that she’s an unnamed prior monarch.
Edit: Similar to the statue of the “dynast” the old man clutching a tablet. Clearly old and important yet we know nothing about him.
Stakes of Marika, depicting the long lived seldom born Eternal Queen, exist in every region in the entire game yet it’s hard to think that she is an ancient being with long reaching influence?
Woah, spent so much time seeing the gold that I missed all the silver.
Loved it, very well structured. I love the way you present your ideas ❤
Yasssss Kate the voice acting is ON POINT.
I did the singing in the end too with Rivu doing the music and singing and Memnoch singing too!!! It was supposed to give Marika/Radagon vibes hehehe
But thank you ☺️
@@K8theKind served, slayed, absolute 10.
I got goosebumps at the "wheel of time" part in the beginning!
I would like to add that due to Esgar, the Blood Noble in the catacombs of the Sub. shunning grounds, wearing the great hood, who drops the Lord of Bloods excultation, we can surmise some very important things: thanks to the sorcerer painting reward which also is the Greathood, located near the stragazer's ruins, where we have a beautiful full view of rennala's moon, the great hood states:
Hood far larger than the head it is meant to cover. A burial shroud of sorts for those who discover, at long last, the truth they sought.
Increases intelligence and faith to the detriment of HP.
"Yes, surely this is the moon that young Rennala gazed upon."
Upon this very moon, whose great rune can we clearly see? Miquella's great rune! To my knowledge, this is the only part in the game where we have such a clear view of renallas moon. This clearly connects to the bewitching power of the Egg that renalla cradles, reminds me a lot of how those reborn by renalla look young aka. Nascent.
Back to the lord of blood's exultation:
A talisman depicting the exultation of the Lord of Blood.
Raises attack power when blood loss occurs in the vicinity.
"Render up you offerings of blood to your Lord. Drench my consort's chamber. Slake his cocoon's thirst. His awakening shall herald the dawn of our dynasty"
Just goes tho show how Miquella was pulling the strings from many a powerful demigod
I think that it’s much more likely to be Ranni’s Great Rune. While both she and Miquella discarded their runes, we can actually find what’s left of Miquella’s. Ranni’s however, remains nowhere to be seen, unless it’s actually been right in our face this whole time
@@michaeljohnston8891 i would agree were it not for the fact that the great hood states that that's "surely the moon upon which young renalla gazed upon" ranni`s moon is the dark moon
@@ozsun9736 I’m pretty sure both moons visible from Manus Celes have the rune engraved on them
@@michaeljohnston8891 thanks I never noticed that, I will check up on it!
Great background music choices, really add to your story telling!
Your video-narration style is excelent. Keep the good work!!
I had been saying that the wolves Rennala summoned in her phase 2 had significance and everybody kept downplaying it and saying the summons were just random things. Even though each summon is something that is tied to the Carian family, a dragon for Adula, a troll for Iji and the Carian troll knights, a bloodhound knight to symbolize Blaidd and then the DLC added that bit about the wolves. And it feels really good to finally be validated
Miquella is indeed a time traveler. That's how I'm able to leave this comment here and now, long before Jack explains to you all how Miquella is indeed a time traveler.
@@justkubz jajajajaha....gowry explains that miquella and malenia born in the end of the age of the erdtree...are you ignoring decriptions and dialogues to make your theories fit?
@Thrasher-92 I'm simply attempting to mimic something I've seen others do, which I believe they call 'joking'. It appears I was unable able to fool your quick-witted nature.
Jokes aside, it was a reference to a previous video that Jack did where he left us all wondering how Miquella could possibly be a time traveler. As a fan of the channel, I like to support the content by engaging with it in the ways I can, through liking and commenting. Some of us don't take things too seriously when it comes to theories, as they are merely that after all. I wish you all the best kind stranger.
@@justkubz i think that theories like this are wrong, cause some people take it to real, and that feed the confusion, and the lore, the real lore, gets corrupted....i know you are jocking, but, just in case its not a joke, my duty as a lore seeker its to point to what i think its wrong or right...i wish you the best too...please, keep all of us making TRUE lore together, and try to makr the best and more accurate theories possible
@Thrasher-92 As an aside, just because someone was said to have been born at a certain time or place doesn't entirely eliminate the fact that they could travel backward through time. I mean, they would have to have been born after all. So I'm not sure that the point you provided would really disprove any sort of theory about Miquella being a time traveler.
@Thrasher-92 well, respectfully, I think you're wrong for thinking that a silly comment is "corrupting" the lore, and I would also put forth the fact that we're talking about a video game that we all enjoy and love, so again, respectfully, take the gatekeeping and go somewhere else with it 🙃
Shadow of the colossus was such an amazing and ethereal, mysterious game. Excellent use of the theme in the beginning. Just watched the last one, it was great!
Lovely choice of opening background music 🩷
This is not meant to be a hate comment.
Where do we have the information that marika's people are descendants from Rauh?
As far as I know Marika is a numen, in the dlc they call her a shaman. And from the base game we know Numen's are not from the lands in between.
We also know the lands of shadows is part of the lands in between. (Source: Tower in the middle of the map, that says, here is the middle point of the Lands in between)
Consider watching my previous video: The Eternal Struggle of Queen Marika. I cover the connection in that video, but here is the long and short of it:
The reliefs on the Stone Coffins show us that they predate and are connected to the Ancient Dynasty. The Black Stone Civilization(Guardian Golems and the structures that are built into the earth) are connected to the Ancient Dynasty thanks to the evidence in the High Road Cave (Guardian Golem, Blue Dancer Charm).
The Rauh Ruins have the same architecture as the Black Stone Civilization and Guardian Golems are present. The Rauh Ruins only have statues of women, namely a women who wears a veil and has braids in her hair, both related to Marika.
The people of Rauh worked in Sprite and Spirit magic. The Shaman's are a group of all women who also work in spirit magic, as per the Japense names for both the Shamans and the Numens being related to spirit-like persons.
Hope this helps!
@@JackisaMimic
Didn't knew that, but now I have watched that Video.
I still don't see the connections.
The statues found in Rauh look nothing alike to Marika, or her kin. Marika has different braids, and a different crown, same goes for the women in the village with the golden tree has. I assume her mother, or atleast also a numen.
As for the blackstone connection I have no idea what you are going to?
In rauh are no golems like in the base game. The scarlet rot connection is also a different one, from the description from Romina we know they started the cult of the knosp after a fire.
Under Liurnia the presumed rot goddess is sealed, by the blue dancer. Where is the connection to marika here?
To the stone graves in the ceruluan shores. In the current german version, the description for the stone coffins, mentiones them coming from underground. I don't see how they come from outer space, and how it is related to the numen.
@@rikley8153In the Spanish localisation the coffins are also said to come from underground, which is sooooo interesting. The Numen could come from underground, tho. From "another world" doesn't necessarily mean from outer space. It makes me think of the Tuatha Dé Dannan from Irish mythology and their connection to burial mounds, spirits and godlike status (saint material?). Do you think the tombs where built as tombs that resemble ships (due to the multiple connections of death and water) or were they actual vessels that came from space, ended underground after a collision that killed most of its passengers and were slowly resurfaced? I'm more inclined to the first option, but who knows.
Oh, I also wanted to mention that, although I agree with you in not seeing many of the connections presented (that woman's statue doesn't look like Marika's statues at all, for instance), there's one archer golem in Rahu's ruins, and those mound birds, which we can find aplenty in Rahu, (I don't recall the name in English) are golems as well, so there is at least some connection there to the civilisation that built the Divine Towers.
To be fair, it's only stated that the Numen are "descendants of denizens from another world", it is very likely that the Numen were all born in The Lands Between and have little to know knowledge of their "alien" ancestors.
@@BigBadWolframio oh thats true, i forgot the archer golem. The grave birds are interisting, as in the german localization the share some text with the vertidis set, as they both mention a green rusting on the armor.
I don't know what to make of the big tombs. They seem to look like ships. But actually lack any necessary equipment, like a mast or rowes. But I agree with you, that the water related topic with death may be the indicator. That's a nice theory.
You get better and better at these productions. Well done.
Such an underrated channel! Love your videos man!
As always another great dive into the lore. I don't really know how to contribute to this conversation other than to say it was a great watch.
I do however have something unrelated that I haven't seen anyone discuss yet it seems like lore folks should be onto this by now:
The Farum Azula Elden Ring makes more sense now: We couldn't figure it out and attributed the differences between the modern ring and the Farum Ring to missing runes. But now we know what the spiral means. The Spiral is a representation of the Crucible. The Farum Elden Ring is depicting an era in which the Crucible and the Elden Ring were connected.
I theorize that the Crucibles are a counter balancing power to the Elden Ring. The Elden Ring is cosmic celestial power while the Crucible is more like divine power of the planet.
I started down this theoretical path when I realized that Hornsent culture has no identifiable connection to the Elden Ring or Greater Will if we discount Marika. The Grandam, who reminds me of Enia, seems to speak to the Divine Beast Lion Dance in the same reverence Enia shows when talking to the Two-Fingers. Their iconography invokes the Spiral but not the rings. The fall of Farum Azula seems to indicate a prior shattering, one that split the Crucible and the Elden Ring (be it literally or a war). The Hornsent folks walked away from those events with knowledge and access to the powers of the Crucible while the Elden Ring seems to have vanished. We saw Marika becoming a god. I always thought that happened when she got the Elden Ring but it seems the events are separate. So where/how did she get it? We can't assume she took it from the Hornsent because the Hornsent Culture doesn't reference the Elden Ring (unless I missed something and that is still very much on the table). So where did she get it?
Sorry for the lack of Mimics in this discussion but I do hope it has gained your interest. I'll make sure to stay on topic next video.
No mimics in this discussion?! You just explained how these cultures are mimicking each other!
Looks like the spiral being removed from the Elden Ring is akin to its own shattering, and the world was in need of repair
Excellent observations! I think you’re probably right
the ending of the video was pure 'gold' very meta haha Great storytelling and production, Jack
“Ka is a wheel; its one purpose is to turn. The spin of ka always brings us back to the same place, to face and reface our mistakes and defeats until we can learn from them” Stephen King
What a great production this video has. Good job sir
That was next level shit. "The wheel of time keeps turning"
A fantastic theme to a channel, dude. You're amazing. Subbed!
Thank you, Jackavis Mimikus! What a brilliant and immersive story.
Loved this video as you opened my mind up to a lot of different ideas and theories I had spinning around up there. The only thing I’ll say that really stands out, is I don’t see much evidence to the dark moon also being created by the nox. You explained their relation to the black moon perfectly, but I don’t think that lines up as well with the dark moon just being 2.0. I know this is kind of out there, but I think it’s more likely the dark moon is a mimic of the greater will itself. Microcosm and Ymir’s hat both give this idea that the greater will is a void, and the dark moon has a distinctly similar void inside of it. The greater will was god giving will to creation, but that was horrifically ruined over the years, and the dark moon rises as a mimic of said divinity. That’s why Ranni is taught to fear it, it is a divine body that was created by and reflects mankind’s will, rather than the power or “light” of gods and the sun. With this understanding, Ranni’s ending perfectly mirrors the greater will creating its “order” or “age” and then leaving, but it left with souls and order still intertwined and able to be manipulated. God created life that eventually creates god.
That was great! And the extra VAs were awesome!
he hath cooked
Wait until you hear about Bayle...
This was (again) freaking incredible. Keep em coming im gonna keep enjoying
Love the content man. Excited to enjoy this while driving around for work
When moons are two, a flame alighteth ✨
Excellent work as always! Nice black mirror reference btw :)
Im glad you are trying to answer huge obvious weird things that big tubers ignore. Two moons. CMON its staring us in the face! I cannot wait for the Gloam Eyed Queen is Metyr video, look at the black flame insignia! its her face! look at the Talisman! they both have 4 fingers.... she has 4 fingers!
also, do you think the Rauh statue in the arena we fight the mimic tear has a womans leg? @JackisaMimic
I realize now that the reason rennala has such weird proportions is probably because she has the long arms and legs of the albinaurics
There ya go!
Other people are not seeing the evidence the way you are.
Your channel needs to blow to get a better understanding across the community. Great work.
Marika's thighs, you did it. I completely agree with everything you said in this video and I'm being blown off my mind that I couldn't find the connection between putrescence and mimic tears first, even though that connection is quite obvious. I remember our discussion under the Godwyn video, but this time, there is literally nothing that I would object, and the overall structure of the video is just awesome. Thank you Jack, that was great!
Thanks for another great video!
"Now there is no end,
The wheel will turn my friend.
I'm in flames cos I have touched the light it burns me so.
We shall be one,
Forevermore"
I adore you Jack. Thank you for the stories.
certified BANGER!!
Great video! I'm still not sold on that statue in Rauh representing Marika. Yes, she's the eternal queen, but I'm inclined to believe that she only attained that title after using the Divine Gate. I believe the shaman religion is being overlooked. We have many references to "impure" lives, foundational (base, vile, wicked, lowly) snakes, trees, and the "Grandmother." The Hornsent seem to have a stronger connection to the Ancient Dynasty than numen/shaman do. They are the spiritual beings while Numen/Nox are physical beings. The multiple references to "invaders" is trying to tell us something. They homogenized the outsiders and took the Numen knowledge of the tree/clayman/matrilineal leadership and incorporated it into their own culture. Hence the spiral tree tablets, the tree can be perceived as something akin to the spiral current of the crucible. Why would the numen leave their home? To find somewhere peaceful to settle, not to rule in their new home. The Nox tried to usurp Ancient Dynasty/Hornsent's God, but failed. Hornsent would arise at the end of the Ancient Dynasty as their spirituality is increased. The Hornsent mistreatment of the Shamans is what broke the peace.
TLDR: Ancient people + Numen -> Ancient Dynasty -> Hornsent/Shaman + Nox -> Shaman (Land Betweeners) + Nox remnants
In my previous video I make the argument that the Shaman's are mimicking the Numen and mistake their scientific achievements as divine, but are not Numen. They see the enhancement of the Crucibles as a divine gift from the Heavens, so they are terrestrial beings who are viewing something coming from outside the Lands Between from space akin to angels sent from God.
For instance, in this video I compare the coffins to the jars. When the time is right I will expand more on the Hornsent, there is a lot to learn about them and from them.
As for Marika, her story is very far reaching. Isn't it curious that we find Stakes of Marika everywhere, even in places you think would predate her or not be related to her? With my videos, I will be attempting to make sense of the lore as one cohesive story, and I think Marika is the key to making it work.
Alright, it didn't click for me at first. Numen being seldom born and long lived and shaman being impure. The ancient dynasty is similar to ancient aliens on history channel.
Jackivis Mimicus! This man be COOKIN!
Love the storytelling lore! Great work! Only complaint, music got H E L L A loud around like 12 mins. The dramatic swell was a *delight*, but was strugglin to hear your story! 👍🏼 🧑🎓 👍🏼
Do you have a link for the windmills of your mind song - my google fu has failed me in finding the band of Mimicri
MIMICRI are a band my friends formed, they made the cover special for me. A full one isn't uploaded but maybe we can make that happen!
Jackavis Mimicus!!! nuff said👏👏👏
The Twins Moons are a completely different set of moons than the Full and Dark Moon!!!!
This cometary is a mimic
I still think Renna must have a far more interesting identity than simply being a random witch in the forest. The way Ranni talks about her gives me the feeling we might not even talk about a person. Maybe it's an aspect of Ranni herself that she "met", or discovered, while being alone in the wilderness. Maybe she is to Ranni like what Radagon is to Marika and St. Trina is to Miquella. A trait she shares with the other Empyreans.
I find the relationship between Ranni and her mother Rennala very interesting. I'd love to know more about it. In the present, Ranni clearly loves, or greatly respects her mother who became a husk of her former self. But was that always so? Doesn't Ranni's search for a new mentor, and her following a dark moon instead of her mother's full moon - doesn't it all sound like a form of rebellion? Maybe something along those lines. Finding her own way in a world full of rules, a predestined path as an Empyrean and where she potentially has an overprotective mother who clings and cradles the only thing her lover left her upon his departure...
And is it a coincidence that the name "Renna" so closely resembles that of "Rennala"? Maybe Renna is an alter ego of Ranni's mother, Ranni's "other mother", to cite the movie Coraline. Rennala might've come up with the form/identitfy of Renna to secretly guide her beloved daughter, away from the eyes of any royal court, academy or golden order. Her sane aspect, free of the eternal love sickness that broke her, which Radagon brought upon her. A cold witch, not burdened by emotions. Her hidden side. Hidden like the dark side of the moon.
All that for Ranni to become the truly independent person who's eventually able to defy the gods and free the Lands Between.
I agree, she isn’t just a simple witch. She’s a silver mimic tear attempting to manipulate Ranni into going down the Dark Moon ending
Next video I’ll explain further
@@JackisaMimic Personally, I like the idea that Rennala is Renna, or that Renna is Ranni's alter ego, a bit more. But I'm looking forward to your video and your arguments! It sounds like you're implying Renna had malicious intent (I'd consider manipulation to be malicious).
Kinda unrelated to the video but i have been wondering about the stake of Marika at mohg's boss room. We have seen that there are no stakes of Marikas at the places where she is not worshipped (Raya Lucaria, Farum Azula, Haligtree and Belurat to name a few). Mohg is strongly opposed to the golden order yet he has a stake of the god of the golden order who is also his mother who sent him to the sewers yet he has a stake of her next to his boss room. I think this implies that Marika might have actually visited the omen twins which would explain Morgott's devotion to the erdtree and why Mohg has a stake of his mom next to his boss arena. I feel like he thinks that what happend to them was out of her control.
These are just my thoughts tho I would love to know what you think.
There are a lot of sort of narrative. Takes that you're having in here that I don't really recall being taken from dialogues or item descriptions. Are you taking a little bit of a personal spin on the narrative when you're describing say? For example, the Royal knights of the capital, hearing rumors of a silver skin Queen. And her armies of trolls eating humans?
Just curious if there's more uncovered dialogue that I can go read into personally or if it's just a personal narrative either way, I do really enjoy. I find it very captivating
I show my sources in the corner of the screen. Things like the rumors about Carian are added by me for fun world building by trying to imagine what type of propaganda campaign would be used to muster troops, as well as to reflect current theories in the fandom.
For instance - Albinaurics are seen as impure beings and have silver blood, and we have items that specifically mention that there were rumors of Latenna being an albinauric. There are also theories in the fandom that Rennala is an albinauric, so I just tied them together that there would be rumors by the small folk of this new queen. "If she has Albinaurics as knights, could she be one herself?"
The Carian's have Troll Knights in their armies, which is a very high honor compared to how we see trolls throughout the Lands Between, which is as slaves who have stakes driven through their chests. "Monstrous trolls in her army, what does she feed them?! Her defeated enemies!?"
As a reader of GRRM's other works, I try to add a bit of the flavor from his writings into my writing, but while not trying to take away from what is present in the game.
top tier. bravo! instant subscribe. (instant after watching the full hour video lol)
Consider the moon in the lands between and the one in the shadow lands ate two different entities
Trespasser music RAAAAAA!!!
i kinda love the "throw it all at the wall and see what sticks" mentality here
like sure, caria manor used to be the sun realm? why not! its more fun for this story, and it could be a dozen other forts or settlements...
i like to prefer it being castle sol but it could just as well be a dark souls reference thrown in just for shits.
I theorize that all Norman style castles were part of the Sun Realm. Nearly every single one of them has Banished Knight weaponry, dragon canons, or storm hawk barricades. Caria Manor is a bit unique in that there are additional structures built towards the top of the castle, but it still follows many of the same architectural designs as the other Sun Realm castles.
Liurnia is a more independent region but we do find that there is an alliance and amiability with the Sun Realm and its former vassals. For one we have the Gold Road running through the region(shout out Nameless Singer) but we also have the Icering Hatchet found in the Temple Quarter which is explicitly named as a gift from Castle Sol, an obvious Sun Realm era fortification.
It's interesting how Caria existed within the Shadow Lands even prior to Messmer's crusade, and whatever Marika did to create the Lands Between. Were led to believe that the Carians, who inhabited Caria Manor and the Cathedral of Manus Celes, descended from the mountaintop astrologers, in the Lands Between. Somehow though, they ALSO seem to have land within the Shadow Realm. It's almost as if the two lands actually were once one, intermingled. Or it's just bad writing.
The Land of Shadow was once connected to the Lands Between and was only disconnected after the Crusade began.
Next he’s going to say that we the players are mimics 😮😮😂❤❤
i love that ending man bravo 👏 😂
Aye always glad to get more lore!!
Thank you for the story, Preceptor 😊
Eternal Recurrence continues...
What is that robe you are wearing at the end? Great video by the way, I don't agree with all your conclusions but very interesting.
Is everything a mimic? Is the Mimic in the room with us right now Jack?? (I kid I kid!)
Wouldn’t that be wild if everything was a mimic! Stay tuned for the next video!
@@JackisaMimic I'M TUNED JACK I'M TUNED
this is a great and fun video. I love the format, but I can't help but get a little confused with the pace.
Ask and I will try to clarify any confusion. The pinned comment also has the bullet points of theory if need be.
@@JackisaMimic Hi, congrats again!. The pinned comment is great and helps a lot but I'm not confused by your facts or the story your telling, I think I'm getting confused because a lot is being layed out very very rapidly... I can tell because while watching the video I kept rewinding and feeling like "wait a minute, what was that about.... oh I see..." thats what I mean in relation to pace. But again, great piece of work! very interesting!
Are you suggesting again that radagon is a mimic of marika? Are the dlc not enough to leave behind that? I can understand why people still insinst in that theory when dlc destroyed it...erdtree is embodyment of life/order while scadutree is the embodyment of death/disorder... radagon/marika...the trees born at the same time, suggesting that the división of them cause a fracture in the whole, just like marika and radagon...the video its good, and the theory solid and interesting, only dont fit in the part of miquella rune and the mimic radagon
When exactly did the DLC say any of that?
@@exiledark6573 if you use your logic, could realise that empyreans have the power to extract parts of themselves as miquella and marika did with radagon/trina...since we know trina is not a mimic of miquella, just his discarded love, we can assume radagon its the fidelity or loyalty of marika...same as millicent, shes the pride of malenia...no mimic im between
Great job!
With all due respect, your theory, from 25:00 onward, is extremely hard to follow. Your effort to tell a story is getting in the way of your explanation.
I don't care about theoretical people playing in a park. I don't care about the emotions they might have been feeling. And I certainly don't care to strain myself trying to hear a theory over their screaming.
I still don't understand how we went from the Nox being mimic tears, to the moon collapsing, to the astrologers in the mountaintops.
Here is the long and short of it, rewatch the video if you want the sources.
The Moon of Nokstella is an artificial moon used to collect Starlight Shards. Starlight Shards are used to create things like the Puppet Tonics, which is akin to slavery, and Celestial Dew, allowing for the Eternal Cities to create artificial silver life. That artificial life becomes sentient and want their freedom. The Nox summon an Astel to the destroy the Moon of Nokstella, which in turn destroys the Eternal City and stops the mass production of silver life.
They migrate to the mountaintops (see Ordina, the Dragonkin Spirits, the Ice lightning) and hatch their plan for their coming age by create a mimic of the Full Moon, a new Black Moon, the Dark Moon.
In a coming video I will explain when the Greater Will sent the Stars of Darkness against the Nox and forced them underground.
@@JackisaMimic ...Alright man. Double down then. I'm sure it will make your theories very easy to understand.
Thank you for the explanation. However, I think it's a stretch.
People: there’s no real lore in the dlc
Jack the mimic: hold my celestial dew
Enjoyed the watch! May I ask when we might get another adventure from the Black Swordsman's PoV? Those are my favourite :')
Hopefully this winter. I know how I want to end the series but I have to think about how to get there and what to talk about .
Amazing theory my guy.
Im down for every other mimic, i love mimics, BUT THE MOON 😂. jack why have you done rhis to us
The Nox had some practice, what do you think the silver balls are modeled after? They look like little moons!
I love your videos!
Is it stated somewhere that there were rumours Renalla bled silver or was this just an assumption ?
That was actually a references at fan theories that Renalla is an Albinauric. It comes from evidence such as the Carians having nightfolk weaponry, employing Albinaurics as knights(Loretta), that Renalla and Phillia have the same siting position.
It was a way to add flavorful and light world building. While not directly present in game, it is entirely possible that with the information we have as players that in universe characters could come to similar conclusions
@@JackisaMimicCome to think of it, do we ever see Rennala actually walk? In the boss fights first phase, she's suspended in the air, only falling to the ground once we knock around enough sweetings. Second phase is heavily connected to Ranni, with her possibly mimicking or controlling Rennala, or a projection of Rennala altogether. After the battle, she sits still, never walking.
The 2nd phase of her boss fight is essentially a “memory” of Rennala when she could walk. The remembrance we get of her is of her at her full splendor and not in her current state. You can even see this with the armor set and her staff.
The armor set that can be purchased from Enia has a ring on her finger, much like she does in her second phase, but is not present on her NPC model.
Her staff is also found outside of the Red Wolf of Radagon’s boss room but can be duplicated from her Remembrance
We also see in the Stargazer Heirloom a depiction of her walking.
Good God. You have got to tell us up front when it's a lecture. I wasn't taking notes. My uh...bleed dog ate my quill? ... I'll go replay.
Is that shadow of colossus music???
Preceptor, is all of this gonna be on the exam?
Yep, its kino.
Tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down
In the Windmills of our Minds😉
By gum Jack, you've done it again!
👏👏👏
I see ypu wheel of time fan. Nice little insert there.
I wonder if Marika cloaked her son Miquella as Radagon to bewitch Rennala and then inherited the position of Rennala's lover after the obsession was cemented? 🤔
#algocommentgoesbrrr
The conjectures here aren't backed up by observational evidence...like, why are you claiming that the Nox created Astel and destroyed their creators? you don't spend any time in this video establishing that claim. It bugs me and makes it feel not worth my time. I'm not here for your personal fanfiction- I'm here trying to engage in collectively solving this mystery for real.
There are no damn khalesiis in elden ring and thank god for that
Mine is better, my teacher is Sellen i love her lessons better