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- Patriot Game, the original, as written and performed by Dominic Behan 1960. The melody and lyrical structure was used by Bob Dylan in crafting With God On Our Side, first performed April 1963. Behan's original contains two versus not sung by the Clancy Brothers in their popuar version.
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In the interests of accuracy this song I believe , first appeared on an album recorded in 1957 on The Riverside Records label ,RLP 12-820, a New York Co. Owned by Bill Grauer Productions Inc.
It was accompanied by John Hasted on guitar,banjo and concertina and has in all 16 tracks.
Behan was born in 1926 into an intensely Irish Republican family .
His uncle was Peader Kearney , who wrote the Irish National Anthem.
Dominic's brother Brendan , was renowned as a playwright
I own the original al
proud to say he is my great uncle :)
That is awesome.
He was my grandfather, Simon.
Are you Brendan's or Brian's or what?
My mam is Maeve Furlong :)
Are you ?? Fintan or Stephen's son
Actually, the tune for The Patriot Game is a traditional Appalachian Folk Song called "The Merry Month of May" and was also used by Jo Stafford in "Bold Grenadier" Which is where Behan probably lifted it before Dylan used it as well. Such is the tradition of folk songs.
Favorite song
Behan's songs are pure poetry
fantastic rendition
Dominic Behan inspired John Lennon & Bob Dylan!!
Bob's "with god on our side" is a great song. Obviously inspired by Dominic's "patriot game" lyrically too. I think it's fair to say he took Dominic's song and made it his own.
Inspired? He stole it.
This is by far the best version of Dominic Brehan's song.
The tune is from The Nightingale, a folk tune performed by Jo Stafford in 1950. That is also a song with a military theme, but it is a love song about a married soldier from London who meets a woman by the sea.
Next came Brehan's Patriot Game in the late 1950s, a down and dirty song about real-life loyalty and death in the Irish Republican Army. It is Brehan's own version of Patriot Game that people should hear first. Many covers by others are diluted and lack the bite of Brehan's song.
Dylan's song is a kind of answer to the bitterness of Brehan's lyrics, calling out the senselessness of sectarian violence. Catholics and Protestants, Christians and Muslims, sect versus sect, killing each other in the name of their own respective visions of God.
It's Dominic singing. I am his grandson, Dominic always hated when other singers left out the criticism of de valera, such as the Wolfe tones
@SuperSparkyMark1
my american cousin,
i am lissnin to this drunk and emotional.
this man taught me my first chords n ma daddys back garden,
He didnt just rip it off he appologised on the court steps!
There can be only one, and Dominic was it!
Edwardky1 you are quite correct about the 1957 recording of Patriot Game. I was thinking of Carrickfergus which was first recorded on this album.
makes u proud of such talent
In Jan. 31,1976 letter to me, Behan stated: "Some years ago I tried to get Dylan to settle the matter as one artist to another, I rang him at an hotel in London where he had been living then. Dylan's reaction was that I didn't have the resources to take any legal action against him, and he therefore replied, `Get lost, bum! The songs I write make other people's attempts at art good.'...I wrote the song (words and music) on the 1st January, 1957, after Feargal O'Hanlon had been shot dead..."
If that's true, "Bob Dylan" is a monster.
@@mangogarlic And in a March 27, 1965 interview, whose text appeared in the Sept. 17, 1965 issue of the Los Angeles Free Press underground newspaper, that also was included in the 2018 Dylan on Dylan book, Dylan told Paul Jay Robins the following:
"...I'm not going to tell them I'm the Great Cause Fighter...Because I'm not, man. Why mislead them. That's all just Madison Avenue, that's just selling. Sure Madison Avenue is selling me..."
So, not surprisingly, on May 5, 1965 Joan Baez then wrote a letter to her now-deceased sister, Mimi Baez Farina, from the Savoy Hotel in London (only late made public in David Hajdu's 2001 book, Positively 4th Street) that stated: "We're leaving Bobby's entourage...He doesn't speak to me, or anyone, really, unless it's `business,' how many records he's selling, will his record be #1, etc. It's shocked me completely out of my senses and I'm fed up...Joanie."
@@protestfolk That's shocking on one hand, on another not at all. There are articles about him being a plagiarist and a fake persona. So what you're describing only confirms that. It's a real scandal that the media don't allow this info to get through to the people. But I guess we all know why...
@@mangogarlic In a 1989-published biographical book, Bob Spitz also indicated how, in part, the media "publicity shield" you make reference to has operated, historically::
"...Like the ancient court historians, Bob's biographers obediently wrote the story he put in front of them. Otherwise responsible journalists, dazzled by an audience with him, failed to question or examine the accuracy of his statements; incredibly enough, they just printed what he said verbatim. Leafing through the thousands of pages of articles and transcripts about Bob--from Nat Hentoff's New Yorker profile in 1964 to the most recent Rolling Stone interview--one is struck by the sheer number of untruths and epic exaggerations that have found their way into print. Few performers have been more protected by literary sycophants--critics and reputable journalists who either participated unwittingly or have allowed their own fortunes to be so intimately intertwined with Bob Dylan that the work they produced serves primarily as a library of memoir and self-promotion...
"Needless to say, this creates extraordinary difficulty for a biographer. The vast writings that constitute a loosely assembled Dylan archives provides a scant factual foundation upon which to build. Not surprisingly, many journalists refused to lend assistance...fearful that either their past willingness to collude with Bob would be exposed or their cooperation with me would bring recriminations...After this book was in its final stages, I was offered access to Bob as well as permission to explore certain resources under his tight control and to quote from his lyrics in exchange for an agreement allowing him to examine and amend the finished manuscript. Similarly, there were photographers whose work I was denied access until I submitted to this demand. Not wishing to provide yet another literary whitewashing, I refused..."
As I began to state before I ran out of space - I have the original album , which I suspect is as rare as hens teeth.
It's very interesting that in the scene from "Don't Look Back" with Donovan, Dylan proclaims that he doesn't want to hear anything about Dominic Behan!! Now I realize it's because he ripped off his tune!!
People don't seem to get the whole folk song idea. This melody and basic idea are older than Behan or Dylan. They aren't thieves but part of a great tradition.
Thank you, ain't that the truth!
That's why Dylan was surprised when Behan called him out on using it. It was an old folk melody. I don't think Behan would have felt the right to say anything if another Irishman used the melody, because it wasn't his in the first place.
Dylan listened to a lot of Irish rebel songs, there is a bootleg album of rebel songs he recorded
When you say this version has two verses that the Clancy Brothers didn't do, if you're referring to the one about Connolly shot in the chair, there was one recording they made in which they did include that verse.
They never included, and still de Valera is greatly to blame for shirking his part in the Patriot Game. Behan was really angry with them and let them know, that they should sing it the way it was written. They were too afraid of de Valera and his Political Party. Cowards!
@sunriseRISE The similarity in the lyrics is minor. Dylan may have got the general idea of singing about spurious justification for war from Behan, but there is no copyright in general ideas. I agree that a lot of Dylan's early songs are based on traditional melodies, the Clayton one being another example. But when you say Dylan 'hasn't the talent to write his own music' you seem to be forgetting the years from 1964 onwards!
@Rapparee87 Yep your bang on... he also used this tune for his own song "With God on our side!" he got same fron hanging out in Greenwich with the Clancy Brothers in "The White horse Tavern".......
Sinn Fein is not selling out in fact they're keeping to what the founding father Arthur Griffith would have wished. Achieve a united republic by peaceful means. We're nearly there why would you not give them your support and push for a united Ireland by means of politics. Going down the road you want to is not good for. We need to be the bigger men on this Island and not sink to the lows that the loyalist are right now. We'll have our country. Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer
And still de Valera is greatly to blame for shirking his part in the Patriot Game.
and The Kingston Trio on the album TIME TO THINK
United together just like our great protestant men emmett wolfetone etc wanted 32 counties. Rise together and unite
@misfitstattoo it was With God on Our Side...Dylan used same melody after listening to TPG by DB but never gave credit.
@whiteej21 Well said. Something like that may have played a part.
@sunriseRISE I don't think Behan ever claimed to have written the melody (which is traditional), so 'putting new words to it' is pretty much making a new song. It's fair to say that the pattern of the lyrics in Dylan's song is similar - each verse ending with the same refrain - but the substance of the lyrics is completely different. Where I do pick a bone with Dylan is that he didn't say enough about his traditional sources in his album notes.
Yep, appears Dylan ripped this off, but I like Dylan's lyrics better. Of course, I'm not Irish so I'd feel differently if I was.
I'm not directly replying to AmericanFenian on here because he'll just retort with nonsense. Then again, those defending Dylan are acting equally childish. Behan adapted the melody of Patriot Games from The Merry Month of May. Dylan later wrote With God on Our Side obviously using the same melody. That's what folk singers do. That's folk. The same good songs played throughout the ages. Dylan did an honest parody out of disagreement. Why credit one who he disagrees with?
dominic copied the tune from jo stafford''s the nightingale released in 1948. look it up on u tube. behan did his own version of the nightingale in his own words"to the tune of patriot game". however stafford had already done that. it may have been a subconscious steal from behan.
Wow, Bob Dylan took the melody from this song for "with God on our side"....
Plagiarist, but try and tell Bob that.
***** yes, but that is (was) VERY common among folk and blues singers and writers...Still a funny line from The National Lampoon regarding Dylan: "These Tunes I Am A-Changing"...
The re-use of existing tunes for new songs was common practice in folk music . The tune of Danny Boy existed long before the song was written.
I once read that Dylan (whom I seen I O W, he was terrible) had a team roaming the UK for songs he cud pinch.
***** definitely possible. especially in a legal sense, it probably is, but even in the intellectual sense i definitely see how people say that. but to me (granted, raised a dylan fan) there's also the possibility that 'with god on our side' (as dylan saw it when he wrote it) is a kind of american equivalent to 'the patriot game', inverted (maybe perverted) to parallel the inversion of a nationalism rebelling against oppression to one imposing it, with the tone inverted because dylan wasn't/isn't a jingo (dylan jingo=dingo?). people focus on the lyrical similarity of the first couple verses, but i think especially, a bit later in dylan's song, when he talks about hero worship (compare to behan's verses about it), you see something a little more complicated than flat-out artistic theft going on, something more politically comparative and thoughtful. although i'll admit dylan should've asked behan or something like that.
In the interest of free speech, this song is still banned by the BBC.
@misfitstattoo oh okie dokes...on same page then lol
I love Dylan but jeez, he ripped this dude off when you wrote 'God On Our Side'.
@Qvibration ....dominic behan didnt inspire john lennon-- john lennon could write his own music
look left
jaysus dylan practically robbed this song.
zuh?
If only the singer could draw each work out yet another 7 seconds he'd be Top Crooner ! yikes
@Qvibration .. dylan JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLE RIPPED OF THIS WHOLE SONG put some new words to it and called it his own.. what a ripp off dylan was