When the investigator starts naming the children-no hesitation. He knows their names by heart and recognizes them immediately. Wow, he’s in this with all of his heart.
@@garybeck-t3v other than the emotional part? unless you’re a bunch of sociopaths, we all have emotions and will have moments, even trained professionals who see these horrific things everyday. ANY sign of emotions is very extreme and scary to think that you guys are forced to be that way. i grew up around cops and detectives dad, step dad, uncle, brother, sister fiancé and grandfather was chief of police. they all work in different departments and have seen things nobody ever should, they keep composed when they have to but yes, every single one of them has shown emotions on very difficult cases. this man here seems very experienced and does seem like he’s being kicked off assignments because he’s emotional
@@CaramiaJinx the commenter means the names of all the other students spread around the crime scene; who were either walking to their class, injured or stay put. He gave like 20 names. Pay attention.
This can actually backfire on appeal. In law school we are taught how emotion can sway a jury. That is why witnesses and defendants are instructed to keep their emotions in check. A cop acting like this can and should be nullified testimony. On appeal this cop and the other three overly exaggerated emotional cops can be nullified testimonies. This can prove to be biased testimony and can and should be nullified. Feelings, opinions and assumptions are NOT to be admitted into evidence. A LOT of grounds for appeal and reversal in both these trials.
She's yelling why over and over again... Maybe if she had listened more, she would have known the answer long before this ever happened. She definitely knows the answer now!! Also, I don't remember who said it, but somewhere in the trial it was said that the shooter's dad was the one saying "I love you" repeatedly as the door was shutting. So the dad was telling the kid he loves him as the mom was yelling why ... Not that he's any better imo. But from the evidence I've seen, the dad at least spent some miniscule amount of time with the kid, driving him to school and "talking" to him. Again, it doesn't sound like he listened to the shooter at all. According to the shooter's repeated pleas for help with his mental health. I hope they both get several decades in prison and it sets a strong precedent for this type of horrific neglect turned accessory to murder. Sending so much strength to the victims and the families who lost precious children. 🖤🖤
I still think Jen Crumbley and her husband expected their son to quietly off himself so they could go on and live their life free from the burden of parenthood, but never expected the school shooting. Who the hell ignores their sons plea for a therapist or psychologist when they are told he’s seeing demons and hearing voices? Yet it was so easy for them to go and get him a gun instead when he asked?!
The way this guy takes a deep breath at 33:14 makes me tear up for how much pain this incident has caused him in his own life and scared his own memory. EC plead for help, it was clear in the journal and Jennifer and James Crumbly did absolute jack shit about it. Devastating in all respects.
The contrast between the response of this law enforcement agency and Uvalde is profound. You can feel his anquish over reliving trying to get to victims.
The only negligent situation at hand is the prosecutors ominous plot to destroy a young mans mother for fame of authoring another new law! .... You can forget about child adoptions and foster care homes in Michigan... This would destroy countless lives by association only benefitting the legal system, in the guise of child safety!...
@thedon1570 Do you realize 3 out of 4 of the victims that died had their faces blown off??? THAT IS WHY the videos are Sooo devastating. All victims included ! This was a FAIL AS A PARENT THAT HAS A GUN IN THEIR HOUSE WITH A CHILD! LOCK IT UP! Guilty, end of.
I pray not only for the families of the victims but the officers like this man who must deal with this tragedy on a daily basis. Thank you to these men.
She f'd up as a parent and failed her son. The audacity to put victims and family of victims through this trial instead of pleading guilty is mindblowing. Just look at this poor detective having to brace himself to watch the footage even tho he works since 96 in this job and has probably seen real bad things. I hope he is in therapy.
A-FREAKIN-MEN!!!!!!!! To make them go through it again and traumatize them all over again is just sick!!!!! I did notice how they ran off and got themselves a paid attorney but abandoned their son and left him with a public defender.....
@@crayonwriter Those are two different things. Nobody is questioning her right to a trial. She had a right to a trial and she got a trial. I would never deny her one. But from a human emotional side I question why she would chose to go to trial and put those families through even more agony. Especially since she's guilty. To me that doesn't show a lot of character nor remorse... And I'm allowed to voice that and still uphold the judical system. So what are you talking about?!
The prosecution has demanded the defendant not to cry or show emotion as of day 1….She was crying because of her son shooting and killing the kids and the heartless woman prosecutor demanded her to stop ✋.Check it out day 1.
@@staceybell1429 I saw that. I was expecting her to say something but she was quiet. The judge must've asked her to keep quiet. Because even the judge told the officer that they will stop if he unable to proceed. Again the lawyer was quiet
@@staceybell1429you seem to be on this mothers side ALOT! let me tell you I am from the area and know people that are close to these people. These parents neglected EC and he was having hallucinations, his boss at his job also called the parents multiple times worried about him. EC was drinking, using drugs to help cope with his “demons” he was SCREAMING OUT for help and his parents ignored him, they barely cared for him. They were too involved in their own lives and self to worry about him. He was a burden on them and it was too much of a hassle to even take him to counseling when he clearly needed it. Come on now!
Exactly what I was thinking. What do they have the microphone under her damn nose? It almost seems as if she knew he was depressed and practically held his hand to commit suicide. I think she’s horrified mostly that her son DIDN’T kill himself after the shooting….cuz then she would have played that she was a victim in this too. When my kids were teens (16, 14, 14, yes boy/girl twins) and my previous step-sons were also 16, 15) it was very rough. My 14 year old daughter was extremely emotional, depressed, combative and irrational at times. I would have to take the car keys, call her dad, lock all medications in a closet and we removed the lock on her door. She was set up with a therapist, we did several appointments with her, we spoke with her teachers and my boss was aware that I may need to leave in case of a family emergency. My ex-husband would get home by 3:30 because I worked until 6. We had 4 other kids (all boys) and needed to keep a close eye on them. I locked our bedroom door at night because I was worried she may try to hurt me. One day she asked me “why was your bedroom door locked?” I looked at her seriously, why were you trying my door at night? She attempted suicide twice and was in a mental health facility for a few weeks her sophomore year. Those were trying times but she did eventually come out on the other side. She would try to blame me for her problems but one day her brothers said to “shut up about blaming mom, Missy! She raised all 5 of us and you’re the only one out of control”. Sometimes teens go through Oppositional Defiant Disorder, ODD, which is not your everyday defiant situation. It doesn’t sound like EC had that, however he obviously had some deep feelings of not mattering to his parents. I suspect she didn’t want to take his MH problems as serious because it was going to cost her money that she wanted for her horses and maybe swinger parties/hotel rooms.
She was to busy having an affair and spending time with her real love: her horses, I wonder if her son knew about her affair! If my son text me he is having visions, thinks someone is in the house and his rooms looks like the shooter’s room for sure I will getting help! I couldn’t be more obvious.
@@47911974well said. As a Mum myself if my son at 15 showed any signs like Ethan did, straight off for help. DISGUSTING Human's did nothing for their Son. This could have been avoided if they acted like Parent's. Kindest thoughts to you and your family. 😥
Amen 🙏 💯!!!!!!!! Jesus CHRIST!!!! And remember They never told the dean nor the school counselor HEY they are aware the family shoots guns but the FKN PARENTS FAILED TO SAY THE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE THE DAMN GUN THEY BOUGHT THAT KID OMFG U ARE INSANE DEAN THE COUNSELOR PARENTS ALL GUILTY U HEAR ME???
It’s funny that J. Crumbs is crying now in the courtroom and not on her phone begging to keep her job. It’s tragic when you’re forced to see the consequences of your shitty parenting put on full display.
In jail EC is treated by psychiatrist most likely given antipsychotic meds and probably a stabilizer like Lithium, too bad parents didn’t have him evaluated by psychiatrist to treat his delusions and voices tragedy could have been prevented
I’d be hard pressed to believe the emotion JC is showing is empathy. She’s just trying to survive like she told Brian Meloche in those FB messages. This is purely to save herself. Not one tear when she was describing the photos of her family that was destroyed. She didn’t care about her kid or anyone else’s.
Jennifer wasnt crying at all in the back of the squad car while she lied about her son being totally chill and a good kid. Save the tears convict. I cant wait to see them say GUILTY
@@jerardnorgren3411 it isnt a murder charge it’s negligence and involuntary manslaughter so i dont mind her getting a couple years of suffering better than nothing
@seymourlj Three of the four CHILDREN who were killed were shot in the head. Think about that for a moment. Most of the first responders have families, children of their own.
I do wish the defense attorney would show her client some compassion. Probably the first time Jennifer gets to see what her hypervigilance didn’t do…prevent her son from taking the gun she and her husband purchased to school and killing kids. This whole case is sad.
Yes but its also a failure on adults around him. He clearly had mental health issues that were ignored. He shouldn't of been allowed back in school. cps should of been notified. He should of been hospitalized. I can go on & on. And Americans obsession with guns in insane. More guns than people.
@@TannilleBrownwas it in his backpack? The school asked them to remove him from the school and they poo poo’d it. Guess what parenting means? I know I went through hell with a child in late teens, I wasn’t a perfect parent but I was there and I did all I could to get them help. Thankfully, my child is pretty normal, whatever normal is. Adolescence is hard, raising children is hard. You gotta be present, you gotta set up appointments with therapists, etc. You gotta know not to buy an unstable child a gun. There is video of both parents taking shooting practice with the gun.
This case has taken a massive toll on Jennifer Crumbly. She's aged at least 20 years. Maybe being more aware of the needs of your child instead of your alcohol intake would have created a completely different outcome for you and everyone else. My heart breaks for the families of this preventable tragedy.
If she was drinking now, she'd weigh 400 lbs. It's clear she's on antipsychotics, which cause insane weight gain, eating shitty prison food, and not exercising at all.
I believe these parents do not realize how much the game of raising a child has changed since their youth. The carefree days of "Let kids be kids" is over. Parents need to be educated on the dangers of the access children have to social media. This is where they are learning this behavior.
I believe it’s a combination of things. Our violent culture (news, media, video games, lack of empathy for each other, excessive consumption) has such an impact on the lives of all of us. If we do not pump positivity and self care into our lives, we can be completely destroyed and blinded by the negative impact.
@@rockseaH2O And still nobody mentions the GUNS!! We have all of the above and more in the UK and yet one is 51% more likely to die from gunshot in the USA. It seems literally INSANE...
@@TheLampini I don’t personally think it’s the guns, and I only say that because I think it’s the mentality and/or mental state that makes someone decide to kill. Whether they use bombs, knives, guns or their own hands. I also believe it’s due to what is consumed as food or there lack of. Lack of nutrients and vitamins to make a whole body healthy. The US has less strict rules on what’s allowed in the food than any other country. It’s proven that fried, processed and fast food is detrimental to our health, including mental. The US is just reaping what she sows. It’s run by xenophobic, fearful, greedy, soulless cowards who care about their wallets over EVERYTHING else.
He obviously had mental problems long before that. And his parents chose to not deal or did not know how to deal with them. That's when you let professionals take over the problem was much bigger than them. I might of hated having a psychologist at 16 years old but I was incorrigible and on drugs I didn't have enough credits to graduate high school. So my parents let my Dr. Take over so she had them ship me off to a disaplinarian boarding school. But she never vetted the school and it turned out to be a fake school that was dangerous to my life. And I ran away. But then I went to another private school in my state and did graduate from High School. So the point is my parents put into a professionals hands and now I can see why.
I really do try to have empathy for people. All the evidence being shown, imagine what they excluded. I am having a very hard time being convinced of her crocodile tears or the tears may be real but they are for the situation she found herself in and nothing else.
This is exactly how I feel. I am a very empathetic person, and that extends to defendants and even guilty criminals. I also take the jury duty of "beyond a reasonable doubt" seriously. They have plenty. She was criminally negligent towards her son, who was literally SCREAMING for help because something was wrong.
To busy with boyfriends to busy with horeses to busy with work!Yet her child was begging for help .im so disgusted !Then fled with a husband she didnt even love!Im done commenting complete faliure as a mother!
Why is Jennifer crying now? She’s certainly making her sobs loud enough for all to hear. At the police station she didn’t shed one tear. Actually she was just scrolling through her phone. Then both parents run and hide like cowards instead of faces the consequences of their son who was begging for help. She can’t be anymore pathetic. I really hope she goes to jail. I don’t believe all parents are accountable for their child’s actions but she could have prevented all of this from happening. First of all not buying her son a gun when he is telling her he’s seeing things and needs help. Second, the gun should have been secured. What a neglectful, selfish, horrible parent.
she's doing her job. someone has to defend bad people and usually they don't get a choice, they are required to put on a defence to the best of their abilities for justice to be served. she can't be enjoying any of this either.
@TheChesireKat She is a POS like Crumbley. She isn't a public defender that has no choice but to defense filth like. She took this case to make a name for herself and thank God she is making a fool of herself.
@@CocoTheDiamond She was doing a lousy job. She is so bad she shouldn’t even be allowed to be a lawyer. She is disrespectful, bullying and apparently ignorant of how a real lawyer conducts themselves in an actual courtroom. The judge is just as bad if not worse because she is responsible for keeping the courtroom proceedings professional and in order. She failed miserably.
Because law enforcement,cops,prosecutors,judges are sooo much more important than our kids in school.I have bad feelings of this Oxford Michigan mess.No parents have ever been charged and this is kind of heartless act.We can’t control what our teenagers do.And I think these parents hadn’t a clue this boy wanted to kill peers….I am sure this boy -Ethan was bullied at this up to do school….Look at the school employees that testified….
What these parents did is equivalent to handing your kid the car keys after giving him five shots of tequila. A reasonable person can foresee that he can possibly hurt himself or others.
@staceybell1429 he talk to his parents about his mental issues and asked for help. They ignored him. They should have gotten him help and may 4 lives would have been saved.
I will never forget that day. My kids were in lockdown in their school close by, and my sister texting and calling hysterical because my nephew is texting her that there's a shooting in his school and they're hiding. My sister also texting later that they can't locate our friends kid. He was thankfully found alive, but shot. Me being stuck at work, unsure if it would even be helpful if I left and went to my sister's house in Oxford. I didn't leave, and I will always regret it.
This judge is seriously disgusting. She is so disinterested. She sitting there not paying attention to the witness. She's organizing and shuffling papers, for all we know she's paying her bills. Totally insensitive hardly ever looking at the witness while they testify. Always looks distracted. She's as unprofessional and unprepared as that obnoxious defense attorney. Both worthless so far thru out this case. She always looks bored or half asleep. I've never seen a judge do that during a testimony. She needs to step down and let a professional do the job. She can go home and watch court tv or youtube from her living room like the rest of us
@@ItsKrma00 I'm sorry, yes you're right. And yes that judge was great but I got my judges confused. I was actually talking about the Shanda Vader Ark case Judge. He was absolutely amazing.
This is such a heartbreaking tragedy that could’ve been prevented! I’m glad they are holding the parents responsible. Such young lives lost for nothing! Prayers to the families❤
It seems as if Ethan tried to ask for therapy many times from his parents. That's so sad to think that a parent would ignore such desperate requests from their son for help. The whole tragedy could have been prevented if they just stopped worrying more about their damn horses than their own kid! Wtf is wrong with these people?! 😤💔
Teenagers LIE, they tell their friends and write stuff down but don’t bother telling their parents anything sometimes! If parents unexpectedly get ahold of their teens journals most would be SHOCKED at what they have written down!!!! They hide their emotions from the adults, they don’t want to be bothered by their parents! Instead they say their parents are stupid, don’t love them, ignore them! Kids are full of fantasies, full of angst, full of raging emotions that they don’t know how to handle! I will not judge the parents until I hear their side of what they knew, how involved they were as parents. Most parents will tell their kids that their door is always open, if they need help or to talk etc. How many of the people reading this heard this and actually told their parents their true feelings? Don’t judge yet. Listen to all testimonies! That’s how you know. That’s the only way to judge fairly.
Ok then have you listened to her she said she thought he was messing around she didn’t take him seriously! She tried to run out of the country she cares for herself only!
@@kathyeyesopen4078 The court has already shown his mom ignoring his texts when he was scared and seeing scary stuff. They have shown those parents preoccupied with work, drinking, affairs, and horses. Everything but paying attention to their son. They left him at school after seeing his terrifying cries for help drawn onto his math assignment ffs! They bought a troubled kid a gun instead of getting him therapy or talking to him themselves. Then they fled leaving him to protect their own asses and probably were going to another country to hide and leave him to face all this trouble alone. What kind of loving parents would ever do that?! It's very obvious what kind of parents they are. They are despicable. And they have blame in what he did.
@@lisaturtle1106 So you didn’t listen to her testimony, you only go by what the media was pushing. She didn’t think his stuff about haunted house was real because they joked about that stuff! She wasn’t running away, again media spin. She proved her attorney told her to stay put at friends and she would go with them to turn themselves in on Saturday morning. She took what little money they had out of the bank ($6000) because she was afraid they would lock her bank accounts. Her father put money in the accounts and she took it out in case she needed a bond or for attorney. This was done before she was even charged! She couldn’t go home because the press was swarming and people were angry! Think a little what you would do in situation! Use some critical thinking!
Thank you Detective Willis for doing your job and I hope you and the other first responders will be able to find some peace knowing you all did as much as you could for all concerned! Bless you.
It looks like Ethan wanted to opt out of normal life, not by suicide but by spending his whole life in prison. But how he did it is so selfish. He gave his victims no choice. They had a right to live. In prison he'll have no responsibilities, 3 meals a day, access to therapy and medications. He'll be fine while his victims families live a waking nightmare.
Crumbley's attitude has changed considerably since the video of her eye rolling during first few video links with the court..Too late with tears now.She shed none for those kids so she can save them..
28 years in law enforcement and he still has the humanity to be affected. Much respect to all like him. I just wish every single politician was made to go in with these amazing cops to witness what they, the kids and the families have to face. So senseless
Poor prosecution dealing with this 5th grade school defense lawyer and hearing I,I,I,I,I,I,!!! Tjis judge better buck up and do her job I stead of babying her and taking her side on all this whining!! This judge needs to run this court on retire or go to another job!
They chose to ignore it. More important things to worry about. For him it was DoorDash and being a lazy bum. For her it was cheating and riding horses.
I think the signs were there all along this is just my opinion you don't go out and buy a kid a gun like that or any type of gun like that have to be involved in your kids life as a parent I look at things a little differently that's just my opinion there's no winners in this everyone loses everyone thinks that this is going to serve Justice and everything the only Justice that should be served is on her kid and I'm sure that the parents are paying for it now they don't have anything in but the main the main thing is there's a lot of heartache and what their kid is done with taking that many lives and injured not that many people there is no winners everyone is losing in this manner the only ones that are making out or all the lawyers that are involved in this case
That is emotional neglect. I don't think they gave him the time of day. How did she have time for him? An affair, etc.! And people say open marriage if that is what they had, doesn't harm children! Ha, kids know when a parent has subdivided their family.
Well it's actually the father's fault I blame him he's the one that bought him the gun he's the one that responsible for it and yeah he's going to have to pay for it why hold his wife responsible I think everyone was wrapped up in their own little world and didn't really see the signs everyone goes through tunnel vision just like the prosecutor went through tunnel vision with with prosecuting her well I think they were going through tunnel vision with not seeing the signs and their son with having all the responsibility of taking care of horses I mean that everyone wants to have a life but yeah do I think she's paid her debt yeah I think she was punished enough 22 months in prison she's lost everything and lavender face blast it all over the news it's going to be hard for her to get a job and just try to be in society again yeah I feel bad for the families that lost their kids and the victims that were wounded but no one is a winner in this everyone lost no one gave nothing just a lot of heartache and pain it's time for everyone to heal I hope the families are able to heal and I know that's hardI really do feel for them I don't wish no ill or no one as quick as well enough to show hate and anger we should show forgiveness I think that's the solution and never forget that this can happen to anyone we just have to look a little bit more closely and see the signs in the kids today
It seems that his parents saw their son also weird and isolated so they thought to make him a man by buying a gun. Was he diagnosed some autistic disorder? Jen was busy entertaining firefighter. No time for therapy.
My heart goes out to the investigator. It had to be extremely painful to see so much death and then have to recount it for jury duty. Bravo sir for holding your composure. 😢 great respect.
My gosh…the judge is rustling papers and stapling while the detective is talking and video is being shown. She is so disrespectful to the families and people involved. I’ve never seen a court ran like this. And to have the defense microphones on the entire time for show?!? The victims deserve so much more respect than what is being given.
Thank you sir for giving 100%plus at your job. Prayers to you for you will re live this everyday. And for J. Crumbs as a mom myself you just can’t ignore cries for help. I hope parents around the world can learn from this. Get your kid to talk to someone if they need help. Its parents responsibility
She has damned herself. She said that she texted her son, "Ethen, don't do it." Then she said that she was concerned he would harm himself because that's what happens to mass shooters. So, either she knew it was him OR she knew it was him. While throwing her husband under the proverbial bus, saying he was responsible for the gun, BUT she was responsible for the bullets. Prosecution wins on that alone.
Timothy Willis, you are such a good man and so very strong. I could see the pain and heartbreak in your eyes. Those kids would be alive today if the shooter's parents had parented.😢❤
It's too late to cry now the damage is already done you should look at it and look what your kid done you seen the symptoms and your son and refused you and your husband you people deserve to go where you're going
Very sad, but, tears of remorse are too late. Heart goes out to the Detective, goes to show the human side when dealing with ugly events. Take care everyone 🌹
I’m thinking that I sometimes fail to think about how, regardless of training, a tragedy like this one will continue to deeply impact everyone who found these young people deceased. I can’t even.
This defense attorney isn’t as clueless as she plays. This is not her first high profile trial. She was a lawyer for Larry Nassar so she is WELL aware of the type of scrutiny that goes on with these high profile trials.
How in the hell does anyone expect this generation of kids to be okay when a grown man in the field dealing with death is breaking down. Our kids lives are in constant fear of school shootings from day one to graduation of college. As a parent its horrific. These poor kids and families 🙏❤❤
Too many kids who survived this shooting were then at MSU’s shooting last year. Like one school shooting isn’t traumatic enough. Early & consistent access to mental health services is SO important, but the people who want to keep guns in everyone’s hands refuse to support ANY bills that would guarantee funding for these services, so those who actually need them have proper access to them. And then they point fingers all day long at everyone & everything else.🤢🤮
It is ALARMING to me how active shooter drills and lockdown practices at my sons school are “no big deal” to him. He says that but how can it not wear on them?
I live in Canada , and to my shame have just learned of this horror .The parents of the shooter have rained massive horror on the school community , the law enforcement community , the justice community and the community at large , my heart goes out to all . I cannot fathom going through this , however I really feel for the officers who have to deal with this on a daily basses , could not do it , hero's to all , bless you .
She is more a VIBE, a petulant childish vibe. When she speaks, she sounds barely controlled when she is arguing exhibits, testimony, etc. She loses it. Last trial at this firm for her unless the managing partners will be happy with a result of "appeal filed for incompetent counsel" and then the appeal is granted. There must be a professional watchdog organization like JCAHO for hospitals...or some other way to prevent "newbies" from throwing trials. The irresponsibility, lack of professionalism visible to LAYMEN, and the "incompetent council" appeal must have some currency. I hope it works. Attorney's should not be able to WILLFULLY throw a trial hoping the State will drop further prosecution after said appeal...this is a potentially law changing trial. Many people who are responsible gun owners with deep pockets are watching. This will have far reaching impact, likely requiring the schools more fully document and follow through WITH ALL mandatory reporting requirements. This is where the school dropped the ball, as I believe they should have notified the parents when they came in earlier, you either take him home while I document you stated you would stay with Ethan, or we will contact the police to transport him to the nearest ER for a Psych evaluation for harm to self or others. She would have taken him home as she refused to cover her son's insurance. She only covered herself. Needed the extra cash for 2 horses with room/board, farrier and vet fees, plus, ya know, she is also a skiier-expensive hobbies around where I live. Oh, and the, uh, extramarital affair can wear a not-so-young woman out. She had a lot going on outside of her SON.
Ethan was crying out for help. He didn’t want to do this… that’s why he drew the gun. He wanted someone to care enough about him to get him the help he needed!!!
He recorded a manifesto of sorts the night before the shooting. He definitely wanted to do this. He had come to believe that going through school to get a job was a fraud and he thought the shooting would help others realize that they shouldn't play along (very condensed). He even said he knew he betrayed his parents trust, but it was OK because he'd be the one suffering the consequences.
@@flaggov6949 yes I heard that manifesto but again I think he he was screaming for help and his actions show this. In his journal he wrote several times his parents won’t listen to him and get him help. He wrote he wanted mental health services but his parents didn’t believe that he needed it so he couldn’t access help. He wanted someone to care enough about him to intervene
To everyone impacted mentally by this atrocity, my heart breaks for you. I hope and pray that your mental health will be restored enough for you to move forward. I imagine the journey will be life long for many.
Wow, the night before this happened, He texted her stating that the towels are flying through the house. He scared and, he was hearing demons, to at least please answer his message. He didn't need therapy??
Mother and Father were to busy with their own life to care what was going on in his. Why did they not take him to hospital! None of this would have happened!
Such a tragedy for everyone involved. I maintain that the parents were incredibly negligent in multiple ways. They're being held accountable since they played an integral part in the shooting. I have always felt that parents whose kids shot and killed also should have been held responsible in some legal capacity. IE the Sandy Hook Murders. Adam Lanza, the shooter, had mental health diagnoses yet multiple unsecured weapons were at his fingertips.
Couldn't hold his mother accountable...she was his FIRST victim. She was, well, an interesting Mother. For months when he was in his room, they had no contact, really. He texted her about dinner, etc. Banal stuff but indicated he was isolated even from his Mother (who bought some if not ALL of the guns). Interestingly, the children he targeted were interacting with his own Mother, more than he was...she volunteered at the targeted school, I think since Adam attended. I always wondered if he THOUGHT she was meant to move with him, as he grew from 1 school in the district to another... Another absolutely negligent "mother". She worked with kids! She knew about Columbine...she got first Karma. Edits for clarification, above.
I think they secretly wanted him to kill himself. They weren’t just negligent toward EThan, his half-brother wasn’t treated well either. These people just didn’t want to be parents.
I'm guessing this was just typed wrong - "I have always felt that other parents who had kids who were shot and killed also should have been held responsible". I know what you meant "...parents of kids who shot and killed other kids should..." But there are some dumbasses and trolls in these webs who might misunderstand, even deliberately.
When my mother found out I wanted therapy she supported it. I was 12 years old. She cared and wanted me to be happy. I wish Ethan's parents had cared about him. That could have spared other kid's lives.
If you don't mind, may I ask how much it costs per session to see a therapist in the USA, and do you have to pay out of pocket, or is it included in an average health insurance package? (I'm asking from Scotland in the UK) x
@@jangles8061our healthcare system is so complicated. It’s different for every person depending on what health insurance they have. I can explain more if you want but it’s a lot lol.
thank you sir for doing everything you can to hold those parents accountable. Where was this level of leadership in the tragic Texas school shooting??? There were brave officers there, but the lack of leadership doomed most of the victims who could have possibly been saved.
So disrespectful not to look at the video of her son’s rampage! I bet there are many people who will never be able to get it out of their heads. She cries, hangs her head in her hands and avoid seeing it.
For Ethan Crumbly to write and draw so many pages, for the time it took to make the videos was all time he was alone. This child was neglected, his home was a disaster, the expectation of any child is to be raised in a home, to be loved and nurtured, fed and clothed and kept clean. This woman cared more about her horses, the ones she could sell in a heart beat, what a horrible human being!
You people are pathetic in these childish observations. Yes, this woman sucks. The judge is doing her job. She cannot in any way order a defendant to stop coughing & making bodily noises. These trials destroy people’s health. We don’t have to be upset about that, but no one can also order her to suddenly be in perfect health. We’ve all seen the physical toll & decline this has taken on her. That’s what being in custody does to people. You all are acting like petty little juveniles & wanting these professionals to do the same. Grow up. If you can’t handle watching a trial, and all that everyone involved HAS TO put up with, then don’t watch. She can’t be held in contempt for coughing, nor for crying, no matter how fake & infuriating those tears are. The lot of you are sounding like you’ve never watched a trial in your life, and have never seen a defendant try & gain sympathy in pathetic ways from a jury. This is typical, and often encouraged, behavior. And there is nothing this judge can do about it. Get over it.
@@Ladybird.21 ¬ yah yah... still, we dont have to hear her secreting all her mucus into the mic, if she is in crisis then send everyone on break. Use common sense. We dont have to agree with the crap you write; besides, nobody cares bc is too long to read. Were you ever taught how to "summarize"? Go smoke some more weed
Jennifer did terrible on the stand. She is charged with gross negligence, no one is saying she should know everything about her kid. It's simple, she was grossly negligent in ignoring a troubled child asking for help, additionally the parents illegally bought him a gun and never kept it safe or locked up. At the end of the day that alone is gross negligence, even disregarding the fact she was called into the school THAT DAY and refused to take him to get help when school counsellors were insisting she does within 48 hours or they would contact CPS.
I have no sympathy for her. She sits in the court room crying for herself when this could have been avoided and the children would still be here and the families that did care for their children would not be going through this hell. Her attorney needs to stop with the tears. Pathetic
she kind of has to commit at this point. maybe after the verdict she can decide how she really feels. Not sure why she was even put on the stand in the first place though...
@@H3li0s_kundefinitely. The same way she keeps saying EC was just “sad” and struggles to admit she noted him “acting” depressed prior to the shooting. She’s a crock.
There were so many victims of this senseless tragedy... people like this gentleman and hundreds of others that had to see the aftermath of what that monster caused.
She’ll go to prison and she’ll NEVER recover from this. She’ll ignore it to survive. She’ll busy herself NOT TO THINK about it. It’s how she copes. Very sad. Tragic what they did to their son. The horrific actions by a hurting child could have been prevented. She should have a Murder 2 charge.
I think they should have made her actually watch the surveillance video! To see how her son did what he did. Head down with dry tears and lawyer telling her how much time was remaining as it played was … I have no words…
So she testifies to downing 4 Xanax in order to sleep when on the run, sounds like mis-use. how much did she give her son during his life?? She was not emotionally available to the young man! Revoke her Mother card . . .
Not looking at ALL the evidence even if distasteful isn’t acceptable if you have contributed to the outcome. Her not bothering to watch the video of his murders speaks volumes about her cowardice.
Why is this seasoned detective more distraught over the distressing incident than the shooter's mom? She is emotionally dificient. She showed no emotion or contrition when she gave evidence. Instead she said she would not have done anything differently!!!!!! FFS. Your son killed 4 people and if you could go back, you would not have done anything differently
Crumbleys "If we get you a gun will you promise to behave?" Their son: "Uh, huh." Crumbleys: "OK, then we'll get you a gun... and take you to the range to practice." Both are guilty.
These sweet babies could be our child, our babies... horrible. Talk to your kids... listen to them . Make sure they are okay in this world. Spend time with them Hugs go out to the parents , siblings and schoolmates 😢
An absolute tragedy that should have never happened. Ethan’s parents were too wrapped up in their own miserable little worlds to pay attention to their ONLY child. Schools also need to do a better job of keeping kids safe while in school. Whether his parents wanted to take him home or not he should have been sent home. Makes me sick to my stomach . We were sitting at traffic light on M24 about 1 mile from the school when all hell broke loose. Police cars, ambulance’s, armored vehicles, helicopters…it was like a movie scene, but it wasn’t. Who buys their 16 yr old a pistol? A gun for Christmas? Those parents are definitely culpable..should have never had children.
I'm watching the replay on 1.25. The shooting goes on for soooo long. Unbearable. Jennifer had to make this about her with her I can't watch and sobbing.
One thing kids and cops have in common is if one starts crying while testifying, the defendant is done. The kid for obvious reasons and the cop because they see bad stuff all the time so you know it had to be REALLY bad.
The investigator talking at the end about his training when there's an active shooter broke my heart to hear the hardest thing the officers had to do was run past the injured victims. He also said that their training taught them to enter the school and not stop until shooter had been stopped so it just shows the difference between them and the officers who stood for long enough outside that other school and let more kids die.
When the investigator starts naming the children-no hesitation. He knows their names by heart and recognizes them immediately. Wow, he’s in this with all of his heart.
@@garybeck-t3v other than the emotional part? unless you’re a bunch of sociopaths, we all have emotions and will have moments, even trained professionals who see these horrific things everyday. ANY sign of emotions is very extreme and scary to think that you guys are forced to be that way. i grew up around cops and detectives dad, step dad, uncle, brother, sister fiancé and grandfather was chief of police. they all work in different departments and have seen things nobody ever should, they keep composed when they have to but yes, every single one of them has shown emotions on very difficult cases. this man here seems very experienced and does seem like he’s being kicked off assignments because he’s emotional
@@garybeck-t3v I think I could be a homicide detective. But as far as being a police officer goes, I dunno if I qualify, I'm 5'6 and 130 pounds lol.
@@CaramiaJinx the commenter means the names of all the other students spread around the crime scene; who were either walking to their class, injured or stay put. He gave like 20 names. Pay attention.
@@CaramiaJinx12 years on youtube, and THIS is your first and only comment?
This can actually backfire on appeal. In law school we are taught how emotion can sway a jury. That is why witnesses and defendants are instructed to keep their emotions in check. A cop acting like this can and should be nullified testimony. On appeal this cop and the other three overly exaggerated emotional cops can be nullified testimonies. This can prove to be biased testimony and can and should be nullified. Feelings, opinions and assumptions are NOT to be admitted into evidence.
A LOT of grounds for appeal and reversal in both these trials.
Sooooooo, the parents listened to him when he wanted a gun, but didn't listen to him when he wanted help with his mental health??? #GUILTTTTYYYYYYYYY
And when she walked away from him in the interrogation room..when he tells her "I love you" ..she just closed the door!!
She's yelling why over and over again... Maybe if she had listened more, she would have known the answer long before this ever happened. She definitely knows the answer now!!
Also, I don't remember who said it, but somewhere in the trial it was said that the shooter's dad was the one saying "I love you" repeatedly as the door was shutting. So the dad was telling the kid he loves him as the mom was yelling why ... Not that he's any better imo. But from the evidence I've seen, the dad at least spent some miniscule amount of time with the kid, driving him to school and "talking" to him. Again, it doesn't sound like he listened to the shooter at all. According to the shooter's repeated pleas for help with his mental health.
I hope they both get several decades in prison and it sets a strong precedent for this type of horrific neglect turned accessory to murder.
Sending so much strength to the victims and the families who lost precious children. 🖤🖤
@kellibella0804
Yes it has Dad who said I luv u, I luv you.
The mother was cold and heartless.
@@funkfunkable why why....then I love you
@@funkfunkable he didn't tell her he loved her. He didn't say a word.
I still think Jen Crumbley and her husband expected their son to quietly off himself so they could go on and live their life free from the burden of parenthood, but never expected the school shooting. Who the hell ignores their sons plea for a therapist or psychologist when they are told he’s seeing demons and hearing voices? Yet it was so easy for them to go and get him a gun instead when he asked?!
I totally agree!
I agree. She said he was going to kill himself.
I feel like she posted about the gun to bring more attention to herself on FB and Instagram. “Look at me! I’m a cool mom!”
I never thought of that. I don’t think I’ve ever hated any 2 people so much in all my life. I almost wish I hadn’t watched this.
I think they knew he would carry out a school shooting.
Timothy Willis you’re a champion. Ty for your service
The parents might not have even gone to trial if it wasn't for his intense investigation....Timothy Willis did an outstanding job on this case....
I agree. At first glance he looks quite tough but it only takes a minute to see that he cares deeply about the community he serves.
The way this guy takes a deep breath at 33:14 makes me tear up for how much pain this incident has caused him in his own life and scared his own memory. EC plead for help, it was clear in the journal and Jennifer and James Crumbly did absolute jack shit about it. Devastating in all respects.
The contrast between the response of this law enforcement agency and Uvalde is profound. You can feel his anquish over reliving trying to get to victims.
The only negligent situation at hand is the prosecutors ominous plot to destroy a young mans mother for fame of authoring another new law! .... You can forget about child adoptions and foster care homes in Michigan... This would destroy countless lives by association only benefitting the legal system, in the guise of child safety!...
That was a SHOW that guy could care less smh
@thedon1570 Do you realize 3 out of 4 of the victims that died had their faces blown off??? THAT IS WHY the videos are Sooo devastating. All victims included ! This was a FAIL AS A PARENT THAT HAS A GUN IN THEIR HOUSE WITH A CHILD! LOCK IT UP! Guilty, end of.
@@shmoonuf2566 youre the scum on the stand we aren’t fooled by your fake news! You couldn’t care less!
I pray not only for the families of the victims but the officers like this man who must deal with this tragedy on a daily basis. Thank you to these men.
She f'd up as a parent and failed her son. The audacity to put victims and family of victims through this trial instead of pleading guilty is mindblowing.
Just look at this poor detective having to brace himself to watch the footage even tho he works since 96 in this job and has probably seen real bad things. I hope he is in therapy.
I'm willing to bet he's been in therapy for quite some time. With something like this, it can't be processed alone without proper help.
A-FREAKIN-MEN!!!!!!!! To make them go through it again and traumatize them all over again is just sick!!!!! I did notice how they ran off and got themselves a paid attorney but abandoned their son and left him with a public defender.....
You have a RIGHT to a trial .. what are you talking abt audacity. All these go to trial. You either believe in the justice system or not.
@@crayonwriter Those are two different things. Nobody is questioning her right to a trial. She had a right to a trial and she got a trial. I would never deny her one. But from a human emotional side I question why she would chose to go to trial and put those families through even more agony. Especially since she's guilty. To me that doesn't show a lot of character nor remorse... And I'm allowed to voice that and still uphold the judical system. So what are you talking about?!
@crayonwriter Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't make it the right thing to do.....
Tim willis is a big hearted great man. I'm sure you make your family very proud.
Darn!!! For a seasoned officer to break down.... how heartless the mother is in comparison...
The prosecution has demanded the defendant not to cry or show emotion as of day 1….She was crying because of her son shooting and killing the kids and the heartless woman prosecutor demanded her to stop ✋.Check it out day 1.
@@staceybell1429 I saw that. I was expecting her to say something but she was quiet. The judge must've asked her to keep quiet. Because even the judge told the officer that they will stop if he unable to proceed. Again the lawyer was quiet
@@staceybell1429you seem to be on this mothers side ALOT! let me tell you I am from the area and know people that are close to these people.
These parents neglected EC and he was having hallucinations, his boss at his job also called the parents multiple times worried about him.
EC was drinking, using drugs to help cope with his “demons” he was SCREAMING OUT for help and his parents ignored him, they barely cared for him. They were too involved in their own lives and self to worry about him. He was a burden on them and it was too much of a hassle to even take him to counseling when he clearly needed it.
Come on now!
@@staceybell1429She showed no emotion far prior to the trial.
@@staceybell1429 It is standard procedure not to allow defendants cry or show emotion in a trial.
Turn off that woman's microphone while witnesses are on the stand, please. She is putting a show for the jurors.
Both she and her defense. It’s inappropriate because they know the camera is focused on them.
@DEUTSCHLAND007, yes! And her lawyer should be giving her a dang tissue and telling her to blow her nose instead of sniffling into the microphone
Whether she's responsible or not, her tears seem real. And so do the defense attorney's
I don't agree. I believe she is in real distress. That was not acting.
Exactly what I was thinking. What do they have the microphone under her damn nose? It almost seems as if she knew he was depressed and practically held his hand to commit suicide. I think she’s horrified mostly that her son DIDN’T kill himself after the shooting….cuz then she would have played that she was a victim in this too.
When my kids were teens (16, 14, 14, yes boy/girl twins) and my previous step-sons were also 16, 15) it was very rough. My 14 year old daughter was extremely emotional, depressed, combative and irrational at times. I would have to take the car keys, call her dad, lock all medications in a closet and we removed the lock on her door. She was set up with a therapist, we did several appointments with her, we spoke with her teachers and my boss was aware that I may need to leave in case of a family emergency. My ex-husband would get home by 3:30 because I worked until 6. We had 4 other kids (all boys) and needed to keep a close eye on them. I locked our bedroom door at night because I was worried she may try to hurt me. One day she asked me “why was your bedroom door locked?” I looked at her seriously, why were you trying my door at night? She attempted suicide twice and was in a mental health facility for a few weeks her sophomore year. Those were trying times but she did eventually come out on the other side. She would try to blame me for her problems but one day her brothers said to “shut up about blaming mom, Missy! She raised all 5 of us and you’re the only one out of control”. Sometimes teens go through Oppositional Defiant Disorder, ODD, which is not your everyday defiant situation. It doesn’t sound like EC had that, however he obviously had some deep feelings of not mattering to his parents. I suspect she didn’t want to take his MH problems as serious because it was going to cost her money that she wanted for her horses and maybe swinger parties/hotel rooms.
This poor, scarred man. He deserves our prayers.
Everyone involved does.💕
@@happybergner9832not the poor excuse for the mother nor killer.
Ethans mom is crying for herself. His journal was damaging for her. And the moms attorney is just fake as hell and dramatic.
Omg I despise that attorney and her nasty ass hair extensions.
Exactly! The only person that POS is crying for is herself.# Guilty!
Guilty AF. Kid plead for them to help and they bought him a gun instead.
She was to busy having an affair and spending time with her real love: her horses, I wonder if her son knew about her affair! If my son text me he is having visions, thinks someone is in the house and his rooms looks like the shooter’s room for sure I will getting help! I couldn’t be more obvious.
@@47911974exactly right!# Guilty Af
@@47911974well said. As a Mum myself if my son at 15 showed any signs like Ethan did, straight off for help. DISGUSTING Human's did nothing for their Son. This could have been avoided if they acted like Parent's. Kindest thoughts to you and your family. 😥
I'm crying just watching this poor police officer give his testimony. It's still emotional to him years later.
Those tears from Crumbley are a DAY LATE and a DOLLAR SHORT! #GUILTY
Amen 🙏 💯!!!!!!!! Jesus CHRIST!!!! And remember They never told the dean nor the school counselor HEY they are aware the family shoots guns but the FKN PARENTS FAILED TO SAY THE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE THE DAMN GUN THEY BOUGHT THAT KID OMFG U ARE INSANE DEAN THE COUNSELOR PARENTS ALL GUILTY U HEAR ME???
For all her failings and short comings I really feel for her. She is going through hell now.
Feel for her? She’s crying for herself, not anyone else.
Well actually her selfish tears are for only herself. Sicker than Sick😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
Feel sorry for her??? Do you not understand what her contribution to this tragedy was? Pathetic!
It’s funny that J. Crumbs is crying now in the courtroom and not on her phone begging to keep her job. It’s tragic when you’re forced to see the consequences of your shitty parenting put on full display.
Strange how the Crumbly teenager hasn't seen any demons since his arrest!
Weird how there’s no tears, just noise
@@turtletruthThat's not the issue at hand here.
@@turtletruthhe have zero clue what EC has or has not seen since his arrest.
In jail EC is treated by psychiatrist most likely given antipsychotic meds and probably a stabilizer like Lithium, too bad parents didn’t have him evaluated by psychiatrist to treat his delusions and voices tragedy could have been prevented
Too bad the defendant didn’t give her son any of the empathy she’s showing now. These deaths probably wouldn’t have happened if she did.
I’d be hard pressed to believe the emotion JC is showing is empathy. She’s just trying to survive like she told Brian Meloche in those FB messages. This is purely to save herself. Not one tear when she was describing the photos of her family that was destroyed. She didn’t care about her kid or anyone else’s.
“Who’s feeding my horses?? Who’s screwing my boyfriend?? Boo hoo!!” God I hate her.
@@elycezynskishe may be crying for herself
That ain’t empathy sugar, that’s a performance. They’ve practiced this clown show many times. It really angers me to watch such bullshit.
@@gorschtown agree 💯. This woman cares about ONE person. Herself.
Jennifer wasnt crying at all in the back of the squad car while she lied about her son being totally chill and a good kid. Save the tears convict. I cant wait to see them say GUILTY
She's crying now cos she knows she's stuffed. Those tears are for herself.
Convict lol.
She said she was “numb”. Not too numb to message your lover repeatedly and be concerned about your horses.
She's only gonna do about 4 or 5 Years, if that.
@@jerardnorgren3411 it isnt a murder charge it’s negligence and involuntary manslaughter so i dont mind her getting a couple years of suffering better than nothing
I've only watched a few parts of this trial and this is by far the most powerful, compelling testimony.
it's nice to see an LE officer with such a sensitive heart. ❤❤❤he has had such a difficult job.
Man, a hardened 30-year detective emotionally upset,,, what on earth did these people observe at the scene, heart rendering.
I pray all the responding officers and medics can heal from this one day 🙏
@seymourlj Three of the four CHILDREN who were killed were shot in the head. Think about that for a moment. Most of the first responders have families, children of their own.
I hope you're agreeing with me, that it must have been trauma inducing@@deannamarie8389
The detective is correct. Usually, the first victims of a school shooter is his/her parents.
I do wish the defense attorney would show her client some compassion. Probably the first time Jennifer gets to see what her hypervigilance didn’t do…prevent her son from taking the gun she and her husband purchased to school and killing kids. This whole case is sad.
Ethan's journal is damning. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Yes but its also a failure on adults around him. He clearly had mental health issues that were ignored. He shouldn't of been allowed back in school. cps should of been notified. He should of been hospitalized. I can go on & on. And Americans obsession with guns in insane. More guns than people.
The parents didn’t know it existed
@@TannilleBrownwas it in his backpack? The school asked them to remove him from the school and they poo poo’d it. Guess what parenting means? I know I went through hell with a child in late teens, I wasn’t a perfect parent but I was there and I did all I could to get them help. Thankfully, my child is pretty normal, whatever normal is. Adolescence is hard, raising children is hard. You gotta be present, you gotta set up appointments with therapists, etc. You gotta know not to buy an unstable child a gun. There is video of both parents taking shooting practice with the gun.
The only tears she has are for herself.
Yes facts.
Without a doubt
That's not fair. I'm sure she's cried for her horses too.
Exactly she wasnt crying when she found out at all. She was lying and hiding.
@xoxSugah damn you got me there 😂
This case has taken a massive toll on Jennifer Crumbly. She's aged at least 20 years. Maybe being more aware of the needs of your child instead of your alcohol intake would have created a completely different outcome for you and everyone else. My heart breaks for the families of this preventable tragedy.
She hasn't aged. She just isn't able to wear make up and get her hair done anymore. Gray hair can make you look older. Plus she's gained weight.
I was surprised when she said she was 45. I'm 51 and she looks older than me. They obviously get fed well in jail.
@@AfterTheRain_Beth I believe she is trying to look unattractive due to the bombshell information to come about her adultery.
If she was drinking now, she'd weigh 400 lbs. It's clear she's on antipsychotics, which cause insane weight gain, eating shitty prison food, and not exercising at all.
I believe these parents do not realize how much the game of raising a child has changed since their youth. The carefree days of "Let kids be kids" is over. Parents need to be educated on the dangers of the access children have to social media. This is where they are learning this behavior.
Access to... social media??? Not access to guns then?? Wow, USA is f*cked..
I believe it’s a combination of things. Our violent culture (news, media, video games, lack of empathy for each other, excessive consumption) has such an impact on the lives of all of us. If we do not pump positivity and self care into our lives, we can be completely destroyed and blinded by the negative impact.
@@rockseaH2O And still nobody mentions the GUNS!! We have all of the above and more in the UK and yet one is 51% more likely to die from gunshot in the USA. It seems literally INSANE...
@@TheLampini
I don’t personally think it’s the guns, and I only say that because I think it’s the mentality and/or mental state that makes someone decide to kill. Whether they use bombs, knives, guns or their own hands.
I also believe it’s due to what is consumed as food or there lack of. Lack of nutrients and vitamins to make a whole body healthy. The US has less strict rules on what’s allowed in the food than any other country.
It’s proven that fried, processed and fast food is detrimental to our health, including mental.
The US is just reaping what she sows. It’s run by xenophobic, fearful, greedy, soulless cowards who care about their wallets over EVERYTHING else.
He obviously had mental problems long before that. And his parents chose to not deal or did not know how to deal with them. That's when you let professionals take over the problem was much bigger than them. I might of hated having a psychologist at 16 years old but I was incorrigible and on drugs I didn't have enough credits to graduate high school. So my parents let my Dr. Take over so she had them ship me off to a disaplinarian boarding school. But she never vetted the school and it turned out to be a fake school that was dangerous to my life. And I ran away. But then I went to another private school in my state and did graduate from High School. So the point is my parents put into a professionals hands and now I can see why.
I really do try to have empathy for people. All the evidence being shown, imagine what they excluded. I am having a very hard time being convinced of her crocodile tears or the tears may be real but they are for the situation she found herself in and nothing else.
This is exactly how I feel. I am a very empathetic person, and that extends to defendants and even guilty criminals.
I also take the jury duty of "beyond a reasonable doubt" seriously.
They have plenty. She was criminally negligent towards her son, who was literally SCREAMING for help because something was wrong.
To busy with boyfriends to busy with horeses to busy with work!Yet her child was begging for help .im so disgusted !Then fled with a husband she didnt even love!Im done commenting complete faliure as a mother!
And messaging her lover! Lol 😂
Lovers, there were more than one.
Why is Jennifer crying now? She’s certainly making her sobs loud enough for all to hear. At the police station she didn’t shed one tear. Actually she was just scrolling through her phone. Then both parents run and hide like cowards instead of faces the consequences of their son who was begging for help. She can’t be anymore pathetic. I really hope she goes to jail. I don’t believe all parents are accountable for their child’s actions but she could have prevented all of this from happening. First of all not buying her son a gun when he is telling her he’s seeing things and needs help. Second, the gun should have been secured. What a neglectful, selfish, horrible parent.
Those tears are for herself and the fact she can't see her horses and lover.She's filth
Defence lawyer is a nuisance
she's doing her job. someone has to defend bad people and usually they don't get a choice, they are required to put on a defence to the best of their abilities for justice to be served. she can't be enjoying any of this either.
@@CocoTheDiamondshe was retained by the defendant privately so I'm wondering what you mean about having a choice.
@TheChesireKat She is a POS like Crumbley. She isn't a public defender that has no choice but to defense filth like. She took this case to make a name for herself and thank God she is making a fool of herself.
@@CocoTheDiamond That’s true of public defenders, which she is not.
@@CocoTheDiamond
She was doing a lousy job. She is so bad she shouldn’t even be allowed to be a lawyer. She is disrespectful, bullying and apparently ignorant of how a real lawyer conducts themselves in an actual courtroom. The judge is just as bad if not worse because she is responsible for keeping the courtroom proceedings professional and in order. She failed miserably.
We can secure court houses so why can’t we secure our schools the same way.
Because law enforcement,cops,prosecutors,judges are sooo much more important than our kids in school.I have bad feelings of this Oxford Michigan mess.No parents have ever been charged and this is kind of heartless act.We can’t control what our teenagers do.And I think these parents hadn’t a clue this boy wanted to kill peers….I am sure this boy -Ethan was bullied at this up to do school….Look at the school employees that testified….
What!? You obviously haven’t been paying attention, what an insane thing to say
@@staceybell1429Cops, judges, and prosecutors don't make the rules. They only enforce the laws.
What these parents did is equivalent to handing your kid the car keys after giving him five shots of tequila. A reasonable person can foresee that he can possibly hurt himself or others.
@staceybell1429 he talk to his parents about his mental issues and asked for help. They ignored him. They should have gotten him help and may 4 lives would have been saved.
I will never forget that day. My kids were in lockdown in their school close by, and my sister texting and calling hysterical because my nephew is texting her that there's a shooting in his school and they're hiding. My sister also texting later that they can't locate our friends kid. He was thankfully found alive, but shot.
Me being stuck at work, unsure if it would even be helpful if I left and went to my sister's house in Oxford.
I didn't leave, and I will always regret it.
Wow
Thank you Officer Timothy , thank you ❤
Actually he served on the force for nearly 30 years not 20 years as he stated. Nice guy, he has a very soft heart.
Think he said 28.
@@angie4now438 You're right, he said almost 28 years.
@@AfterTheRain_Beth that’s what I thought. Ah well. No big deal 🤪
This judge is seriously disgusting. She is so disinterested. She sitting there not paying attention to the witness. She's organizing and shuffling papers, for all we know she's paying her bills. Totally insensitive hardly ever looking at the witness while they testify. Always looks distracted. She's as unprofessional and unprepared as that obnoxious defense attorney. Both worthless so far thru out this case. She always looks bored or half asleep. I've never seen a judge do that during a testimony. She needs to step down and let a professional do the job. She can go home and watch court tv or youtube from her living room like the rest of us
Agreed.
Great Comment.
Agree Absolutely.
Agreed. I noted in the Hanna Payne trial how the judge watched and listened to every witness.
@@ItsKrma00 He is the epidemy of what every judge should be. And his sentencing speech, one if not, the best I've ever seen from a judge.
@@ItsKrma00 I'm sorry, yes you're right. And yes that judge was great but I got my judges confused. I was actually talking about the Shanda Vader Ark case Judge. He was absolutely amazing.
This is such a heartbreaking tragedy that could’ve been prevented! I’m glad they are holding the parents responsible. Such young lives lost for nothing! Prayers to the families❤
It seems as if Ethan tried to ask for therapy many times from his parents. That's so sad to think that a parent would ignore such desperate requests from their son for help. The whole tragedy could have been prevented if they just stopped worrying more about their damn horses than their own kid! Wtf is wrong with these people?! 😤💔
Teenagers LIE, they tell their friends and write stuff down but don’t bother telling their parents anything sometimes! If parents unexpectedly get ahold of their teens journals most would be SHOCKED at what they have written down!!!! They hide their emotions from the adults, they don’t want to be bothered by their parents! Instead they say their parents are stupid, don’t love them, ignore them! Kids are full of fantasies, full of angst, full of raging emotions that they don’t know how to handle!
I will not judge the parents until I hear their side of what they knew, how involved they were as parents. Most parents will tell their kids that their door is always open, if they need help or to talk etc. How many of the people reading this heard this and actually told their parents their true feelings? Don’t judge yet. Listen to all testimonies! That’s how you know. That’s the only way to judge fairly.
Ok then have you listened to her she said she thought he was messing around she didn’t take him seriously! She tried to run out of the country she cares for herself only!
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The court has already shown his mom ignoring his texts when he was scared and seeing scary stuff. They have shown those parents preoccupied with work, drinking, affairs, and horses. Everything but paying attention to their son. They left him at school after seeing his terrifying cries for help drawn onto his math assignment ffs! They bought a troubled kid a gun instead of getting him therapy or talking to him themselves. Then they fled leaving him to protect their own asses and probably were going to another country to hide and leave him to face all this trouble alone. What kind of loving parents would ever do that?! It's very obvious what kind of parents they are. They are despicable. And they have blame in what he did.
@@kathyeyesopen4078you sound crazy, no teenager has that much foresight to document for show. His parents are failures.
@@lisaturtle1106 So you didn’t listen to her testimony, you only go by what the media was pushing. She didn’t think his stuff about haunted house was real because they joked about that stuff! She wasn’t running away, again media spin. She proved her attorney told her to stay put at friends and she would go with them to turn themselves in on Saturday morning. She took what little money they had out of the bank ($6000) because she was afraid they would lock her bank accounts. Her father put money in the accounts and she took it out in case she needed a bond or for attorney. This was done before she was even charged! She couldn’t go home because the press was swarming and people were angry! Think a little what you would do in situation! Use some critical thinking!
Thank you Detective Willis for doing your job and I hope you and the other first responders will be able to find some peace knowing you all did as much as you could for all concerned! Bless you.
His tears at the end broke my heart.
It looks like Ethan wanted to opt out of normal life, not by suicide but by spending his whole life in prison. But how he did it is so selfish. He gave his victims no choice. They had a right to live. In prison he'll have no responsibilities, 3 meals a day, access to therapy and medications. He'll be fine while his victims families live a waking nightmare.
Crumbley's attitude has changed considerably since the video of her eye rolling during first few video links with the court..Too late with tears now.She shed none for those kids so she can save them..
28 years in law enforcement and he still has the humanity to be affected. Much respect to all like him. I just wish every single politician was made to go in with these amazing cops to witness what they, the kids and the families have to face. So senseless
Poor prosecution dealing with this 5th grade school defense lawyer and hearing I,I,I,I,I,I,!!! Tjis judge better buck up and do her job I stead of babying her and taking her side on all this whining!! This judge needs to run this court on retire or go to another job!
She belongs in traffic court!!!!!!!
These parents failed their son. Lock up the parents!
I agree 💯! Unfortunately they won't
You going to tell me that the parents didn't know anything about this kid
They chose to ignore it. More important things to worry about. For him it was DoorDash and being a lazy bum. For her it was cheating and riding horses.
I think the signs were there all along this is just my opinion you don't go out and buy a kid a gun like that or any type of gun like that have to be involved in your kids life as a parent I look at things a little differently that's just my opinion there's no winners in this everyone loses everyone thinks that this is going to serve Justice and everything the only Justice that should be served is on her kid and I'm sure that the parents are paying for it now they don't have anything in but the main the main thing is there's a lot of heartache and what their kid is done with taking that many lives and injured not that many people there is no winners everyone is losing in this manner the only ones that are making out or all the lawyers that are involved in this case
That is emotional neglect. I don't think they gave him the time of day. How did she have time for him? An affair, etc.! And people say open marriage if that is what they had, doesn't harm children! Ha, kids know when a parent has subdivided their family.
My heart is with the victims I feel really bad for the parents that that had to go through that and the police that had to see all that
Well it's actually the father's fault I blame him he's the one that bought him the gun he's the one that responsible for it and yeah he's going to have to pay for it why hold his wife responsible I think everyone was wrapped up in their own little world and didn't really see the signs everyone goes through tunnel vision just like the prosecutor went through tunnel vision with with prosecuting her well I think they were going through tunnel vision with not seeing the signs and their son with having all the responsibility of taking care of horses I mean that everyone wants to have a life but yeah do I think she's paid her debt yeah I think she was punished enough 22 months in prison she's lost everything and lavender face blast it all over the news it's going to be hard for her to get a job and just try to be in society again yeah I feel bad for the families that lost their kids and the victims that were wounded but no one is a winner in this everyone lost no one gave nothing just a lot of heartache and pain it's time for everyone to heal I hope the families are able to heal and I know that's hardI really do feel for them I don't wish no ill or no one as quick as well enough to show hate and anger we should show forgiveness I think that's the solution and never forget that this can happen to anyone we just have to look a little bit more closely and see the signs in the kids today
It seems that his parents saw their son also weird and isolated so they thought to make him a man by buying a gun. Was he diagnosed some autistic disorder? Jen was busy entertaining firefighter. No time for therapy.
I feel like they quietly thought he'd kill himself, and they could live the carefree lives they clearly craved.
It is my hope that her attorney reads all remarks
My heart goes out to the investigator. It had to be extremely painful to see so much death and then have to recount it for jury duty. Bravo sir for holding your composure. 😢 great respect.
jennifer couldnt do the bare minimum
Her mike needs to be shut off
My gosh…the judge is rustling papers and stapling while the detective is talking and video is being shown. She is so disrespectful to the families and people involved. I’ve never seen a court ran like this. And to have the defense microphones on the entire time for show?!? The victims deserve so much more respect than what is being given.
Thank you sir for giving 100%plus at your job. Prayers to you for you will re live this everyday.
And for J. Crumbs as a mom myself you just can’t ignore cries for help. I hope parents around the world can learn from this. Get your kid to talk to someone if they need help. Its parents responsibility
She has damned herself. She said that she texted her son, "Ethen, don't do it." Then she said that she was concerned he would harm himself because that's what happens to mass shooters. So, either she knew it was him OR she knew it was him. While throwing her husband under the proverbial bus, saying he was responsible for the gun, BUT she was responsible for the bullets. Prosecution wins on that alone.
Timothy Willis, you are such a good man and so very strong. I could see the pain and heartbreak in your eyes. Those kids would be alive today if the shooter's parents had parented.😢❤
It's too late to cry now the damage is already done you should look at it and look what your kid done you seen the symptoms and your son and refused you and your husband you people deserve to go where you're going
That lawyer! Face the front! Constantly trying to pose for the cameras. Oh look at me wipe my eyes. Look at me do it from this angle. 🤮
Yes. And she likes to stand behind the prosecution as she speaks. I would accidentally back up in my chair. Personal soace, lady.
She’s a piece of work all right, and there’s something about her eyes that are just absolutely creepy and unnerving. She’s got a psychopathic gaze..
Very sad, but, tears of remorse are too late. Heart goes out to the Detective, goes to show the human side when dealing with ugly events. Take care everyone 🌹
I’m thinking that I sometimes fail to think about how, regardless of training, a tragedy like this one will continue to deeply impact everyone who found these young people deceased. I can’t even.
I hate that loud sniffing!! It’s so gross🤮
Everyone guilty should have to watch this over and over again for the rest of their lives
No. Under God’s system of law, mercy comes before justice.
@@georgewolfiii1170 No . Justice over mercy. He didn’t show any mercy. It will take more than Mercy to get over this.
This defense attorney isn’t as clueless as she plays. This is not her first high profile trial. She was a lawyer for Larry Nassar so she is WELL aware of the type of scrutiny that goes on with these high profile trials.
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How in the hell does anyone expect this generation of kids to be okay when a grown man in the field dealing with death is breaking down. Our kids lives are in constant fear of school shootings from day one to graduation of college. As a parent its horrific. These poor kids and families 🙏❤❤
Too many kids who survived this shooting were then at MSU’s shooting last year. Like one school shooting isn’t traumatic enough.
Early & consistent access to mental health services is SO important, but the people who want to keep guns in everyone’s hands refuse to support ANY bills that would guarantee funding for these services, so those who actually need them have proper access to them.
And then they point fingers all day long at everyone & everything else.🤢🤮
It is ALARMING to me how active shooter drills and lockdown practices at my sons school are “no big deal” to him. He says that but how can it not wear on them?
Either the counsel for the defense or the judge should have called for a recess as soon as Ms. Crumley started crying.
I live in Canada , and to my shame have just learned of this horror .The parents of the shooter have rained massive horror on the school community , the law enforcement community , the justice community and the community at large , my heart goes out to all . I cannot fathom going through this , however I really feel for the officers who have to deal with this on a daily basses , could not do it , hero's to all , bless you .
Defense lawyer is a bit of a drama 😢
She is more a VIBE, a petulant childish vibe. When she speaks, she sounds barely controlled when she is arguing exhibits, testimony, etc. She loses it. Last trial at this firm for her unless the managing partners will be happy with a result of "appeal filed for incompetent counsel" and then the appeal is granted. There must be a professional watchdog organization like JCAHO for hospitals...or some other way to prevent "newbies" from throwing trials. The irresponsibility, lack of professionalism visible to LAYMEN, and the "incompetent council" appeal must have some currency. I hope it works. Attorney's should not be able to WILLFULLY throw a trial hoping the State will drop further prosecution after said appeal...this is a potentially law changing trial. Many people who are responsible gun owners with deep pockets are watching. This will have far reaching impact, likely requiring the schools more fully document and follow through WITH ALL mandatory reporting requirements. This is where the school dropped the ball, as I believe they should have notified the parents when they came in earlier, you either take him home while I document you stated you would stay with Ethan, or we will contact the police to transport him to the nearest ER for a Psych evaluation for harm to self or others. She would have taken him home as she refused to cover her son's insurance. She only covered herself. Needed the extra cash for 2 horses with room/board, farrier and vet fees, plus, ya know, she is also a skiier-expensive hobbies around where I live. Oh, and the, uh, extramarital affair can wear a not-so-young woman out. She had a lot going on outside of her SON.
Ethan was crying out for help. He didn’t want to do this… that’s why he drew the gun. He wanted someone to care enough about him to get him the help he needed!!!
Exactly and when he was in the interrogation room ,he said to her " I love you"
She just shut the door on him
He recorded a manifesto of sorts the night before the shooting. He definitely wanted to do this. He had come to believe that going through school to get a job was a fraud and he thought the shooting would help others realize that they shouldn't play along (very condensed). He even said he knew he betrayed his parents trust, but it was OK because he'd be the one suffering the consequences.
@@flaggov6949 yes I heard that manifesto but again I think he he was screaming for help and his actions show this. In his journal he wrote several times his parents won’t listen to him and get him help. He wrote he wanted mental health services but his parents didn’t believe that he needed it so he couldn’t access help. He wanted someone to care enough about him to intervene
To everyone impacted mentally by this atrocity, my heart breaks for you. I hope and pray that your mental health will be restored enough for you to move forward. I imagine the journey will be life long for many.
Wow, the night before this happened, He texted her stating that the towels are flying through the house. He scared and, he was hearing demons, to at least please answer his message. He didn't need therapy??
Mother and Father were to busy with their own life to care what was going on in his. Why did they not take him to hospital! None of this would have happened!
Such a tragedy for everyone involved. I maintain that the parents were incredibly negligent in multiple ways. They're being held accountable since they played an integral part in the shooting. I have always felt that parents whose kids shot and killed also should have been held responsible in some legal capacity. IE the Sandy Hook Murders. Adam Lanza, the shooter, had mental health diagnoses yet multiple unsecured weapons were at his fingertips.
Couldn't hold his mother accountable...she was his FIRST victim. She was, well, an interesting Mother. For months when he was in his room, they had no contact, really. He texted her about dinner, etc. Banal stuff but indicated he was isolated even from his Mother (who bought some if not ALL of the guns). Interestingly, the children he targeted were interacting with his own Mother, more than he was...she volunteered at the targeted school, I think since Adam attended. I always wondered if he THOUGHT she was meant to move with him, as he grew from 1 school in the district to another...
Another absolutely negligent "mother". She worked with kids! She knew about Columbine...she got first Karma.
Edits for clarification, above.
I think they secretly wanted him to kill himself. They weren’t just negligent toward EThan, his half-brother wasn’t treated well either. These people just didn’t want to be parents.
I'm guessing this was just typed wrong - "I have always felt that other parents who had kids who were shot and killed also should have been held responsible".
I know what you meant "...parents of kids who shot and killed other kids should..."
But there are some dumbasses and trolls in these webs who might misunderstand, even deliberately.
@@basicallyno1722 i agree, the parents were acting like teens still in high school.
@ke9988 ¬ what? I think you have a typo there. You wrote that the "parents of kids who were shot should be held responsible"? Revise your comment. ✌
When my mother found out I wanted therapy she supported it. I was 12 years old. She cared and wanted me to be happy. I wish Ethan's parents had cared about him. That could have spared other kid's lives.
If you don't mind, may I ask how much it costs per session to see a therapist in the USA, and do you have to pay out of pocket, or is it included in an average health insurance package? (I'm asking from Scotland in the UK) x
@@jangles8061our healthcare system is so complicated. It’s different for every person depending on what health insurance they have. I can explain more if you want but it’s a lot lol.
He tells him he's seeing demons so they buy him a. Handgun and bullets.
thank you sir for doing everything you can to hold those parents accountable. Where was this level of leadership in the tragic Texas school shooting??? There were brave officers there, but the lack of leadership doomed most of the victims who could have possibly been saved.
EXACTLY
So disrespectful not to look at the video of her son’s rampage! I bet there are many people who will never be able to get it out of their heads. She cries, hangs her head in her hands and avoid seeing it.
Exactly. Just like she didn’t look at what Ethan was going through. She was focused on her own needs.
For Ethan Crumbly to write and draw so many pages, for the time it took to make the videos was all time he was alone. This child was neglected, his home was a disaster, the expectation of any child is to be raised in a home, to be loved and nurtured, fed and clothed and kept clean. This woman cared more about her horses, the ones she could sell in a heart beat, what a horrible human being!
For how long are you gonna let her clear her snot, Judge? Are you serious? Someone lost control of the courtroom..
Agreed
It's very annoying. At least turn her microphone off.
You people are pathetic in these childish observations.
Yes, this woman sucks.
The judge is doing her job. She cannot in any way order a defendant to stop coughing & making bodily noises. These trials destroy people’s health. We don’t have to be upset about that, but no one can also order her to suddenly be in perfect health.
We’ve all seen the physical toll & decline this has taken on her. That’s what being in custody does to people.
You all are acting like petty little juveniles & wanting these professionals to do the same.
Grow up. If you can’t handle watching a trial, and all that everyone involved HAS TO put up with, then don’t watch.
She can’t be held in contempt for coughing, nor for crying, no matter how fake & infuriating those tears are.
The lot of you are sounding like you’ve never watched a trial in your life, and have never seen a defendant try & gain sympathy in pathetic ways from a jury.
This is typical, and often encouraged, behavior.
And there is nothing this judge can do about it. Get over it.
@@Ladybird.21 ¬ yah yah... still, we dont have to hear her secreting all her mucus into the mic, if she is in crisis then send everyone on break. Use common sense. We dont have to agree with the crap you write; besides, nobody cares bc is too long to read. Were you ever taught how to "summarize"? Go smoke some more weed
she should have been forced to watched the utter turmoil her son caused that day!
If my son tells me he's hallucinating, I'm taking him to see a therapist to get help.
Jennifer did terrible on the stand. She is charged with gross negligence, no one is saying she should know everything about her kid. It's simple, she was grossly negligent in ignoring a troubled child asking for help, additionally the parents illegally bought him a gun and never kept it safe or locked up. At the end of the day that alone is gross negligence, even disregarding the fact she was called into the school THAT DAY and refused to take him to get help when school counsellors were insisting she does within 48 hours or they would contact CPS.
I have no sympathy for her. She sits in the court room crying for herself when this could have been avoided and the children would still be here and the families that did care for their children would not be going through this hell. Her attorney needs to stop with the tears. Pathetic
I’m not sure how effective it is to have her on stand saying she never felt he needed to see a therapists…
she kind of has to commit at this point. maybe after the verdict she can decide how she really feels.
Not sure why she was even put on the stand in the first place though...
@@H3li0s_kun very true
@@H3li0s_kundefinitely. The same way she keeps saying EC was just “sad” and struggles to admit she noted him “acting” depressed prior to the shooting. She’s a crock.
There were so many victims of this senseless tragedy... people like this gentleman and hundreds of others that had to see the aftermath of what that monster caused.
This isn’t fair. These children didn’t have to die because EC was struggling.
She’ll go to prison and she’ll NEVER recover from this. She’ll ignore it to survive. She’ll busy herself NOT TO THINK about it. It’s how she copes. Very sad. Tragic what they did to their son. The horrific actions by a hurting child could have been prevented. She should have a Murder 2 charge.
I think they should have made her actually watch the surveillance video! To see how her son did what he did. Head down with dry tears and lawyer telling her how much time was remaining as it played was … I have no words…
So she testifies to downing 4 Xanax in order to sleep when on the run, sounds like mis-use. how much did she give her son during his life?? She was not emotionally available to the young man! Revoke her Mother card . . .
Sad thing is all of this could’ve been avoided.
Not looking at ALL the evidence even if distasteful isn’t acceptable if you have contributed to the outcome. Her not bothering to watch the video of his murders speaks volumes about her cowardice.
This man tearing up 🥹
Bless this man. 😢
What kind of human is NOT affected by seeing the carnage? She must possess an ability to compartmentalize to avoid feeling.
Why is this seasoned detective more distraught over the distressing incident than the shooter's mom? She is emotionally dificient. She showed no emotion or contrition when she gave evidence. Instead she said she would not have done anything differently!!!!!! FFS. Your son killed 4 people and if you could go back, you would not have done anything differently
Crumbleys "If we get you a gun will you promise to behave?"
Their son: "Uh, huh."
Crumbleys: "OK, then we'll get you a gun... and take you to the range to practice."
Both are guilty.
These sweet babies could be our child, our babies... horrible. Talk to your kids... listen to them . Make sure they are okay in this world. Spend time with them
Hugs go out to the parents , siblings and schoolmates 😢
Crocodile tears from the mother who set this up. She is crying for herself! Guilty AF!
The condition of both the interior and exterior of the home was deplorable 😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
An absolute tragedy that should have never happened. Ethan’s parents were too wrapped up in their own miserable little worlds to pay attention to their ONLY child. Schools also need to do a better job of keeping kids safe while in school. Whether his parents wanted to take him home or not he should have been sent home. Makes me sick to my stomach . We were sitting at traffic light on M24 about 1 mile from the school when all hell broke loose. Police cars, ambulance’s, armored vehicles, helicopters…it was like a movie scene, but it wasn’t. Who buys their 16 yr old a pistol? A gun for Christmas? Those parents are definitely culpable..should have never had children.
Too bad Uvalde Texas didn't have the same professional responsible and caring officers
I'm watching the replay on 1.25. The shooting goes on for soooo long. Unbearable.
Jennifer had to make this about her with her I can't watch and sobbing.
One thing kids and cops have in common is if one starts crying while testifying, the defendant is done. The kid for obvious reasons and the cop because they see bad stuff all the time so you know it had to be REALLY bad.
The investigator talking at the end about his training when there's an active shooter broke my heart to hear the hardest thing the officers had to do was run past the injured victims. He also said that their training taught them to enter the school and not stop until shooter had been stopped so it just shows the difference between them and the officers who stood for long enough outside that other school and let more kids die.
@craftygirl l so agree with you. That was Uvalde Tx where 19 students and 2 teachers were murdered. If only an officer like this had been there.
I feel so sad for all concerned in this horrific parenting neglect. This is beyond heartbreaking