Despite committing worse crimes, Farrell’s Penguin is far easier to sympathise with than Devito’s because Farrell’s was more subtle and actually hid his more evil side while Devito’s wasn’t subtle at all about his messed up traits. With Farrell’s you could almost believe that yeah he was evil but he still had a heart and some morals whereas Devito’s was always obviously a monster.
I think the mistake that Devito's version made was making him a complete demon. There was no subtlety employed there to make him seem more like the "gentleman of crime".
I’m sure that was a conscious choice and it did make his version stand out. His false face of civility in front of Gotham was kind of a parody of the “gentleman of crime”, don’t you think?
This is why I think BTAS gave me the ideal rendition. He has the flippers, the fine roman nose, and the gadgets but is a gentleman. I fancy Penguin as the "gentleman of crime", the Lupin III to Batman's Inspector Zenigata.
@@WalterCulture That's fine, I thought the showcasing of his villainous side was too overdone. For example, in the beginning they could have just had him kill the cat instead of EATING it. WTF.
Excellent video Walter. The Penguin series was fantastic. That ending hits extra hard especially considering how much Victor looked up to him and Oz just kills him like he was nothing. Just pure evil.
I remember in the episode "College" of Sopranos which effectively established Tony as television's most iconic anti-hero by killing a rat after he was spared the previous day. In response to the network's criticism that the show was throwing out television's most compelling character just for shock value would make him unlikable, David Chase responded that, no, the audience wouldn't like him if he didn't do it. And it was right. Sometimes you can make a character likable by following through on their villainy rather than giving them an excuse. The new Penguin series is an example of that.
I prefer the animated Penguin to the other two. In BATMAN RETURNS, Oswald was really just a murderous thug and a pervert. In THE BATMAN, he's...well, also a murderous thug and a pervert. The animated Penguin, on the other hand, tries not to physically hurt people if he can help it, and he respects women at least in an old-fashioned sense.
Penguin from BTAS didn’t seem to care at all about collateral damage. And that includes the kids from “I’ve Got Batman in My Basement”. But I do believe there are layers to him that I explain in the video. He’s a really solid character. I think the other two versions are a bit deeper than you’re giving them credit for. Mostly Farrell’s version in the new series.
This was a gift Walter. Every vid you do is brilliant. I'm frustrated you don't have more views. You are the best channel on entertainment content that I have seen. Keep up the great work and what can we do to promote your channel?
No matter what version of the Penguin we’re talking about they are still the Heartless Manipulative Sadistic Liars and Monsters that I can’t help but love them all, although the Returns and the Batman are equally my Favorites.
I would say the most shocking Penguin moment for me would be from Batman Returns when he bites that fellow's nose. I first saw that as a little kid, scared the hell out of me. It just comes out of nowhere and there's so much blood.
My kid self remembered the scene wrong. I thought the Penguin bit the guy's nose completely off. But after a rewatch, I realize it was just a very bloody bite, and the guy still had his nose.
Some of the writers of the show have mentioned the five issue series Penguin Pain and Prejudice by Gregg Hurwitz being a big inspiration for the show and I can definitely see it especially with the fate of his brothers. It's not quite the same but Oswald is still responsible for their deaths. In the story, Oswald is much more directly involved with their deaths, and also there he has three brothers named Jason, Robert and William. It's also more brutal how they die because in the book, one brother died because Oswald put rat poison in his food. The other died because Oswald left him to drown in a frozen lake. And the last one died because Oswald ran over him with the car. I love how it establishes how protective Oswald is of his mother and how he wanted her attention all to himself. One of my favourite moments was how after his mother died, he grabs his umbrella and starts smashing his brothers' graves and yells "NO, NO, NO. YOU CAN'T HAVE HER. YOU CAN'T HAVE HER!"
once again u hit it out of the park. its funny people always think of the joker with most complex but i think people forget about the penguin and even two face and riddler. whos back storys go much further then we have seen. that penguin series just so dam good and that last episode OHHHHHHH!!! got me at the heart but i guess it taught us oz will do anything to save the only person he cares about is oz
I’d love to see other Batman villains get the Max series treatment. Scarecrow would perfect, imo. Especially with how they set up Arkham in The Penguin.
@@WalterCulture i do sorta want a new take on diffrent villians with max setup like mr freeze or clayface which brings me to this question? do u think in this more realistic version of batman universe can villians like clayface and mr freeze work?. Also u said scarecrow from the penguin series is a diffrent version of him taht would be cool to see
@@TheRaven361 I’ve thought about that too. The more realistic you go, the more difficult it is to do those supernatural type villains. I think it’s possible, but they’d have to make it fit the style somehow. Probably a more restrained version of said character.
I really love how the show reinforced that penguin is not at all a misunderstand character, but a vile monster who puts up a veil of class. Although, Well I do prefer the modern status quo for the character as the owner of the Iceberg Lounge, when it comes to the characters overall look and performance I will always think of Burgess Meredith. Burgess Meredith as Penguin is for me in the list of best and most accurate live-action castings for a comic book character similar to JK Simons as J. Jonah Jameson, Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool, Patrick Stewart as Professor X and so on. So many attributes that have become synonymous with the Penguin exist because of Burgess Meredith like the iconic laugh that sounds like a squawk that only exists because the poor man couldn't handle the smoke from the cigarettes. His amazing speech pattern that many have used for the character since and just his general demeanour. To me he will always be the definitive Penguin actor. In terms of writing, I'd probably say my favourite modern Penguin is the one from the Arkham video games.
Personally I think the Penguin show did the 'sympathetic Penguin ' storyline better than the 'Birds of a Feather' episode, mainly because it still keeps the villainous side of the character, the Birds of a Feather episode just portrayed him like a gullible dumbass, the Penguin show actually portrays Oswald Cobblepot (I'm not calling him 'Oz Cobb'🙄) as a sly, cruel, and manipulative monster, which is what The Penguin should be, I don't mind him being sympathetic...but personally I don't think it should anyway his actions of villainy
One version of Penguin i would say is terribly overlooked is the Batman '66. This is without a doubt THE most comic book accurate version of Penguin (at least for the comics of the time) and made him one of the most loved Batman villains for the general public (thanks to that series he was even more popular than Joker). Moreover there's an important detail to mention: Meredith's laugh in that series was so iconic that became part of the character status quo from that point going forward. The leg problem may appear from time to time depending on the adaptation but the "waugh" laugh stayed like Fleischer's Superman's flight
Great video, Walter. Something that makes The Penguin Max show so great and why Colin Farrell's take on Penguin so excellent is that he is 100% an irredeemable monster from beginning to end. Oz is a textbook delusional pathological liar and narcissist, and the lengths he went to believing his own lies and finally rising as the kingpin of Gotham show how he truly is a monster. No matter how much we think there's something redeeming about him, just like Victor, we hope there's something good we can believe about Ozwald Cobb(lepot)... but nope! No matter how we try to look at it, *the Penguin is rotten to the core*. I need Batman, the sequel, to beat the absolute s*** out of Penguin! Colin Farrell, Cristin Milioti, Deirdre O'Connell, and Rhenzy Feliz all deserve Emmys for such phenomenal performances.
@WalterCulture That would be interesting since I do think Victor did touch Oz's humanity but with how many people he's backstabbed, killed and with how he made his mother mentally suffer for years and now keeps her in a twisted cationic state, I don't know if Victor haunting Oz's mind is enough for him reconsider or revaluate what he did to him.
@@WalterCulture The Penguin has many parallels with Gotham. Like Oz starting as a low-ranking member of the Falcone Crime Family. Starting the Falcone-Maroni Mob war for his uprising. Penguin's rivalry/companionship with Sofia Falcone in season 4. Sofia was more inspired by Gotham than the comics, like her look, motives and tactics.
@@WalterCulture Out of all the shows you've watched, they all have growing pains. The 1st is that for Gotham when it tried to be like Gotham Central and stripped down, the second season is when the camp and fun takes over. You'll have a blast, Walter. Penguin is a reason to stay on board.
The Penguin is probably my second favorite Batman villain next to The Joker.I also love Two-Face.My favorite version of the character is the one from Gotham though I love DeVito.
Didnt like the redesign of Batman Animated Series Penguin. Him being deformed but extremely posh worked really well, it gave the character depth and the reason why he behaves like he does.
With all this said, I'm curious as what you made of Robin Lord Taylor's portrayal of the Penguin in the Gotham TV Series. If you've seen it of course. His Penguin was flamboyant, short tempered, bratty, cunning, vindictive and ultraviolent with a lust for power.
@WalterCulture yea there were a lot of rises and falls with that version of penguin after the first season but funny enough they brought paul reubens as his father for a few eps
Despite committing worse crimes, Farrell’s Penguin is far easier to sympathise with than Devito’s because Farrell’s was more subtle and actually hid his more evil side while Devito’s wasn’t subtle at all about his messed up traits. With Farrell’s you could almost believe that yeah he was evil but he still had a heart and some morals whereas Devito’s was always obviously a monster.
I think the mistake that Devito's version made was making him a complete demon. There was no subtlety employed there to make him seem more like the "gentleman of crime".
I’m sure that was a conscious choice and it did make his version stand out. His false face of civility in front of Gotham was kind of a parody of the “gentleman of crime”, don’t you think?
This is why I think BTAS gave me the ideal rendition.
He has the flippers, the fine roman nose, and the gadgets but is a gentleman.
I fancy Penguin as the "gentleman of crime", the Lupin III to Batman's Inspector Zenigata.
@@WalterCulture That's fine, I thought the showcasing of his villainous side was too overdone. For example, in the beginning they could have just had him kill the cat instead of EATING it. WTF.
I think DeVito as penguin is amazing. It fits with the tone of the movie and the world tim Burton portrayed
Honestly, the 90’s Batman animated series did such a good job at making the villains relatable to everyday people.
They were mostly all well defined villains with very human motivations. One of the many reasons BTAS is so darn good.
Excellent video Walter. The Penguin series was fantastic. That ending hits extra hard especially considering how much Victor looked up to him and Oz just kills him like he was nothing. Just pure evil.
Thanks! Man, Victor's last scene was a tough watch.
@ it was. I now want the Batman Part 2 to open up with Bruce beating the shit out of the Penguin.
I remember Gotham TV shows version of Penguin starting out sympathetic before becoming an irredeemable monster in the final seasons.
Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin was always unapologetically savage with a deadly temper attached.
I remember in the episode "College" of Sopranos which effectively established Tony as television's most iconic anti-hero by killing a rat after he was spared the previous day. In response to the network's criticism that the show was throwing out television's most compelling character just for shock value would make him unlikable, David Chase responded that, no, the audience wouldn't like him if he didn't do it. And it was right. Sometimes you can make a character likable by following through on their villainy rather than giving them an excuse. The new Penguin series is an example of that.
I prefer the animated Penguin to the other two. In BATMAN RETURNS, Oswald was really just a murderous thug and a pervert. In THE BATMAN, he's...well, also a murderous thug and a pervert. The animated Penguin, on the other hand, tries not to physically hurt people if he can help it, and he respects women at least in an old-fashioned sense.
Penguin from BTAS didn’t seem to care at all about collateral damage. And that includes the kids from “I’ve Got Batman in My Basement”. But I do believe there are layers to him that I explain in the video. He’s a really solid character. I think the other two versions are a bit deeper than you’re giving them credit for. Mostly Farrell’s version in the new series.
That death scene for Penguin in Batman returns freaked me out when I younger
I wonder why parents didn’t like the film
Yeah, DeVito's version had some very dark moments.
@ I always love Burton’s take on Batman but I see why parents didn’t like it
This was a gift Walter. Every vid you do is brilliant. I'm frustrated you don't have more views. You are the best channel on entertainment content that I have seen. Keep up the great work and what can we do to promote your channel?
Thanks, man. Sharing the videos around is probably the only thing to do. Other than that, I'm at the mercy of the algorithm like everybody else.
No matter what version of the Penguin we’re talking about they are still the Heartless Manipulative Sadistic Liars and Monsters that I can’t help but love them all, although the Returns and the Batman are equally my Favorites.
I would say the most shocking Penguin moment for me would be from Batman Returns when he bites that fellow's nose. I first saw that as a little kid, scared the hell out of me. It just comes out of nowhere and there's so much blood.
Oh, for sure. Disturbing moment. Especially for kids.
My kid self remembered the scene wrong. I thought the Penguin bit the guy's nose completely off. But after a rewatch, I realize it was just a very bloody bite, and the guy still had his nose.
The guy kind of ask for it. He was extremely rude Oswald but yes, it was pretty shocking to look watch.
Some of the writers of the show have mentioned the five issue series Penguin Pain and Prejudice by Gregg Hurwitz being a big inspiration for the show and I can definitely see it especially with the fate of his brothers. It's not quite the same but Oswald is still responsible for their deaths. In the story, Oswald is much more directly involved with their deaths, and also there he has three brothers named Jason, Robert and William. It's also more brutal how they die because in the book, one brother died because Oswald put rat poison in his food. The other died because Oswald left him to drown in a frozen lake. And the last one died because Oswald ran over him with the car. I love how it establishes how protective Oswald is of his mother and how he wanted her attention all to himself. One of my favourite moments was how after his mother died, he grabs his umbrella and starts smashing his brothers' graves and yells "NO, NO, NO. YOU CAN'T HAVE HER. YOU CAN'T HAVE HER!"
once again u hit it out of the park. its funny people always think of the joker with most complex but i think people forget about the penguin and even two face and riddler. whos back storys go much further then we have seen. that penguin series just so dam good and that last episode OHHHHHHH!!! got me at the heart but i guess it taught us oz will do anything to save the only person he cares about is oz
I’d love to see other Batman villains get the Max series treatment. Scarecrow would perfect, imo. Especially with how they set up Arkham in The Penguin.
@@WalterCulture i do sorta want a new take on diffrent villians with max setup like mr freeze or clayface which brings me to this question? do u think in this more realistic version of batman universe can villians like clayface and mr freeze work?. Also u said scarecrow from the penguin series is a diffrent version of him taht would be cool to see
@@TheRaven361 I’ve thought about that too. The more realistic you go, the more difficult it is to do those supernatural type villains. I think it’s possible, but they’d have to make it fit the style somehow. Probably a more restrained version of said character.
I really love how the show reinforced that penguin is not at all a misunderstand character, but a vile monster who puts up a veil of class. Although, Well I do prefer the modern status quo for the character as the owner of the Iceberg Lounge, when it comes to the characters overall look and performance I will always think of Burgess Meredith. Burgess Meredith as Penguin is for me in the list of best and most accurate live-action castings for a comic book character similar to JK Simons as J. Jonah Jameson, Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool, Patrick Stewart as Professor X and so on. So many attributes that have become synonymous with the Penguin exist because of Burgess Meredith like the iconic laugh that sounds like a squawk that only exists because the poor man couldn't handle the smoke from the cigarettes. His amazing speech pattern that many have used for the character since and just his general demeanour. To me he will always be the definitive Penguin actor. In terms of writing, I'd probably say my favourite modern Penguin is the one from the Arkham video games.
Personally I think the Penguin show did the 'sympathetic Penguin ' storyline better than the 'Birds of a Feather' episode, mainly because it still keeps the villainous side of the character, the Birds of a Feather episode just portrayed him like a gullible dumbass, the Penguin show actually portrays Oswald Cobblepot (I'm not calling him 'Oz Cobb'🙄) as a sly, cruel, and manipulative monster, which is what The Penguin should be, I don't mind him being sympathetic...but personally I don't think it should anyway his actions of villainy
One version of Penguin i would say is terribly overlooked is the Batman '66.
This is without a doubt THE most comic book accurate version of Penguin (at least for the comics of the time) and made him one of the most loved Batman villains for the general public (thanks to that series he was even more popular than Joker).
Moreover there's an important detail to mention: Meredith's laugh in that series was so iconic that became part of the character status quo from that point going forward.
The leg problem may appear from time to time depending on the adaptation but the "waugh" laugh stayed like Fleischer's Superman's flight
Meredith’s Penguin is extremely influential, I agree. Burg was the man.
Great video, Walter! I’m a big fan of your and Channel Awesome’s work for a while. Don’t ever change!
Thanks for watching!
@@WalterCulture The pleasure and honor is mine, sir.
Yeah the reveal of what Ozz did to h8s brother's left my mom in shock
Same here.
Great video, Walter. Something that makes The Penguin Max show so great and why Colin Farrell's take on Penguin so excellent is that he is 100% an irredeemable monster from beginning to end. Oz is a textbook delusional pathological liar and narcissist, and the lengths he went to believing his own lies and finally rising as the kingpin of Gotham show how he truly is a monster. No matter how much we think there's something redeeming about him, just like Victor, we hope there's something good we can believe about Ozwald Cobb(lepot)... but nope! No matter how we try to look at it, *the Penguin is rotten to the core*. I need Batman, the sequel, to beat the absolute s*** out of Penguin!
Colin Farrell, Cristin Milioti, Deirdre O'Connell, and Rhenzy Feliz all deserve Emmys for such phenomenal performances.
I’d love to see the memory of Vic haunt Oz in The Batman sequel. Could be great.
@WalterCulture That would be interesting since I do think Victor did touch Oz's humanity but with how many people he's backstabbed, killed and with how he made his mother mentally suffer for years and now keeps her in a twisted cationic state, I don't know if Victor haunting Oz's mind is enough for him reconsider or revaluate what he did to him.
Love the vid and foubd it astounding and hope you had a great fun Thanksgiving and birthday Walter🫶🤘
Thank you!
I like this channel name better than the other name
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You'd have a field day with the Gotham version.
I watched the first season of that show and couldn’t bring myself to watch the rest. I know it has its fans.
@@WalterCulture The Penguin has many parallels with Gotham. Like Oz starting as a low-ranking member of the Falcone Crime Family. Starting the Falcone-Maroni Mob war for his uprising. Penguin's rivalry/companionship with Sofia Falcone in season 4. Sofia was more inspired by Gotham than the comics, like her look, motives and tactics.
@@WalterCulture Out of all the shows you've watched, they all have growing pains. The 1st is that for Gotham when it tried to be like Gotham Central and stripped down, the second season is when the camp and fun takes over. You'll have a blast, Walter.
Penguin is a reason to stay on board.
Awesome vid!!!!
Thank you!
The Penguin is probably my second favorite Batman villain next to The Joker.I also love Two-Face.My favorite version of the character is the one from Gotham though I love DeVito.
The "Gotham" version looks to be a favorite of a lot of fans.
Didnt like the redesign of Batman Animated Series Penguin. Him being deformed but extremely posh worked really well, it gave the character depth and the reason why he behaves like he does.
Great commentary as usual!
Thank you!
@ are you going to return to any small lives from time to time? Don’t have to be massively prepped for.
@@narcolepticchihuahuaproduc1801 Huh?
Poison ivy next. she deserves more love apart from the Joker or The Penguin.
Great video 📼
I also enjoyed the young Penguin 🐧 in the FOX Gotham series 📺. It was great seeing him rise from a low status into the King of Gotham.
With all this said, I'm curious as what you made of Robin Lord Taylor's portrayal of the Penguin in the Gotham TV Series. If you've seen it of course. His Penguin was flamboyant, short tempered, bratty, cunning, vindictive and ultraviolent with a lust for power.
I only saw the first season. From what I remember, he did stand out.
@@WalterCultureOh you missed out. He did far more psychotic and petty things in later seasons. More so than any of the series' mentioned.
Nice Video Bro
Thanks!
I felt the same at first with the show but after the first few episodes I was in too but what your thoughts on the gotham show's penguin
I only watched the first season of that show so my view is limited. There were things I liked and things I really didn't like about that portrayal.
@WalterCulture yea there were a lot of rises and falls with that version of penguin after the first season but funny enough they brought paul reubens as his father for a few eps
Great video on Penguin
Thanks!
@ Don’t mention it keep videos like this coming !
Great vid you have a new subscriber
Welcome!
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When is the new fanscription video coming?
Fanscription request: what if Ninjor was in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers the movie.