Can you tell how it could be so 'simply added'? I'm curious. I think the problem has to do with how CAD software works at the core. Surface shape deformations are naturally possible in polygon based geometry modelling software but I've not seen a single CAD software that can make a spring work directly, we have to rely on splines and constraints.
Great tip! Loved it! I sort of improved the concept simply by putting the motion links between the revolute joints of the spring so that the washer is free of motion links and can therefore have a rest position. Also, I added revolute joints at each ends of the spring instead of making them fixed. So the entire spring is moving. The motion links are easier to get right since it is 360 for each joint instead of finding the number of degrees. Hope this make sense!
That's the beauty of it... since it's a one to one ratio, you can leave them both to there 360 degree default value! :) Leave me your Fusion username and I will share the project with you so you can have a look at it if you like. You could also download it as a Fusion 360 archive from this link : a360.co/2pxEODu
I just downloaded it. It works great. I tried to replicate the results on my spring however, and I'm having trouble. Is there a reason you added your motion links in that order (the middle link last)? Did you decided to reverse some of them by eye or was there a pattern?
When I created the motion links, I simply got confused and missed the middle one so I did it last but the order in witch you create the motion links doesn't matter. The end result is the same. As for reversing some of them, I did just like you and reversed the ones going the wrong way. I didn't really pay attention for a pattern. If you have trouble replicating it on your existing spring, may be start from a fresh project? Although, this should not make any difference. Again, thanks for sharing this great tip! It made my day!!!
What a great video man! thanks for sharing! I loved the detail and speed you went through everything, nothing missed and nothing over or under-explained! Great work!
This is a great tip and tutorial and it worked for a compression spring but I was not able (yet) to make it work for an expansion spring. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the fact that you did not use keyboard shortcuts too much and was able to follow it step by step which is not the case with other Fusion 360 tutorials. Thank you!
bro thanks for this awesome tutorial . i have searching how to do this spring work last two months.i even posted this issue in fusion community.thanks for uploading a solution
@@JaTool Sorry I wasn't clear, I created multiple motion links: Link1: Rev1 & Rev2 Link2: Rev1 & Rev3 Link3: Rev1 & Rev4 And so on... I kept linking to Rev1 because I think it's easier for the computation if all motionlinks getting their value from one joint. If one link goes the wrong way, you can just put a - infront of the angle value but it worked without for me. You can also do a "as built joint" with the first section to the origin and select the snap on the circular face of the first section, so the spring will keep it's axis.
I was making an assembly which had movement between two objects. Because of this I couldn't use the spring component during the simulation. Now that I have variable change of length in the springs it works perfectly.Thank you so much for this tutorial, it has made the visual aspect of my project so much better!
Awesome. Perfect example that the tool is only as good as the user. I like how you kinda chuckled at the end there and said "so we can look at it a little more" I was thinking the exact same thing. I could sit there and play with that for hours.
I appreciate the video and how you showed what to do if you do get your flags in the wrong direction even after you told us to get them matching- I see what you did there!
cool I guess. I haven't used Fusion 360 yet but I'm planning to for some fun hobby projects. If you already use it and invested your time, I can see why this is an exciting hack. For me, it's more disappointing that I'd have to jump through all these hoops and that spring behavior isn't just built in. It's not like you're adding some fantastical concept. So many mechanical projects have springs.
I tried to make a longer spring by this principle. When the number of motion link reached 10, then the connections stopped moving. Is it possible to somehow bypass this restriction on the number of motion link?
Mike all this is important. I did sign up for your class. I am on the Candle Stick Holder. I also have SolidWorks student version as a retired military member I was able to get it for $25 bucks. I did not learn it. Fusion 360 came along and went with that route. So, I am glad you put this course together. If you try to design something and want to share by all means do so. That is what TH-cam is all about. We want to learn and make things. I do think you punch a hole in what some of us need and you are fulfilling that need in the marketplace so, good for you and "US". Take a look at SVSeeker at the end of his videos people send in pics on that the have been making. I think perhaps you can do something similar to inspire us on the other end of TH-cam. Keep up the good work on this and I speak for myself I am "SO GLAD YOU PUT THIS COURSE TOGETHER" and offered it at a reasonable price. Try to get the kids involved in this. It is a Designer Shop Class in the making. I hope you and the Misses had a great day. Will from Akron, Ohio
Aaron if you were replying to me. I grew up in Illinois about 20 minutes from St. Louis. I was in the military and did two tours in the Federal Building in Cleveland. When I retired I stayed. Looking for a new place in the country. Something with about 50 Acres or about. I have lived all over and generally the Summers here are fantastic. The winter on the other hand can be brutal. Thanks goodness for a "heated and Insulated Garage/Shop".
This is really helpful hack.These tricks will make possible to create motion studies of assembling exploded parts and go for cloud rendering.Fusion 360 animation section is not render-able at this moment.Hence these tricks can be implemented to cover up those limitations.
genius. I've been wondering how to do this for about 2 years, even thought about using math relationships between positions of components and parameters of a spring, but they cannot be linked. this looks like a lot of setup work, but it's definitely working. Chapeau, sir :)
Hi Mike, congrats for your tutorial. I found it very brilliant! I also manage an Italian YT channel of Fusion 360 Tutorials. I would like to propose your tutorial also on my channel, if you agree. Nevertheless, I have some issues trying to follow your instructions. It seems that the entire model gets stuck after the creation of the third or fourth motion link. Since your tutorial is four years old, I'm wondering if your method is still working by using of the last version of the software. Have you recently repeated this procedure? Thanks in advance for your time.
Great Turorial, really impresses NX Power User here. Since I do not see other F360 Videos from Mike, can anyone recommend the most advanced F360 Channel with Videos, Tips and Tricks like this? Thanks in advance
Unfortunately, not that I was able to find. Most of the workarounds suggest using 2 spring models- one compressed and one at rest, then turning off/on each one as needed to see how it will interact.
HI Mike, Thanks for a great lesson. I have a question about a slight modification- how would the hack change if the spring followed an arc instead of a straight path- for instance the spring is attached to a rocker arm? Joe
Need help in one more case! Imagine you are using the spring in another assembly. Is there a way to assemble the spring in the centre of 2 discs just like in this tutorial but the discs are made earlier and not in the model 😅 I hope my doubt converted into words!!
Second Comment ~ I plan on building a Porch on the second floor floor of my garage with a 5' wide ramp. Using Fusion 360 with your training I can make plans and print them for a "Permit" to the city. Design see if works then cut and or make Sparks with permit if needed. I can not thank you enough....
when we model a whole suspension does it work with the other parts? for example squeezing washer and jaw part to gether, they are all modeled as rigid group with the bottom piece of spring. i tried to make it but did not work with the multible parts. does anyone has an opinion?
+Aaron Robinson The $39 dollar coupon was only valid for launch week. mikeandlauren.com/learnfusion360 will give you the best discount now at $49. Or use the coupon code "TH-cam"
I don't see how this method could possibly model a real spring, through, if you are choosing revolute joints at DISCRETE positions on the spring, when the force applied to a spring causes a reaction force that is CONTINUOUS. For example if you were to run a simulation on this, all the pressure would be at you joints, instead of along every point of the spring like a real spring. So if you were trying a find out how to model a real spring to determine what spring constant you need to counter a given force, I don't see how this method helps. Is there no way to model and simulate a real spring in Fusion 360?
It doesn't work. After all motion links, my coil doesn't move anymore, it's stuck. There's two days that I'm trying to fiz it, I have made 6 another coils, every time with the same result.
Yes, if you make what is called a motion study, you can render out a movie of moving parts. There are a lot of tutorial videos on that subject on youtube.
That was exhausting just to watch. I just use a parameter for my coil height. To make it springy, I would think I could just set a formula based on the first parameter for rest. Haven't tried that part yet.
Best Fusion teacher I've seen so far. Clearly an expert.
Here we are, 3 years later, still no "natural spring" in Fusion! It could be so simply added...
aw dang was looking for an answer and since the video is 4 years old i hoped that they might have added it already :/
Can you tell how it could be so 'simply added'? I'm curious.
I think the problem has to do with how CAD software works at the core. Surface shape deformations are naturally possible in polygon based geometry modelling software but I've not seen a single CAD software that can make a spring work directly, we have to rely on splines and constraints.
@@nuduw do you even solid?
@@SUB13333 what
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Sweet tutorial! Totally expanded my understanding and appreciation of joints.
Great tip! Loved it! I sort of improved the concept simply by putting the motion links between the revolute joints of the spring so that the washer is free of motion links and can therefore have a rest position. Also, I added revolute joints at each ends of the spring instead of making them fixed. So the entire spring is moving. The motion links are easier to get right since it is 360 for each joint instead of finding the number of degrees. Hope this make sense!
Great point! What values did you use for your revolute motion links?
That's the beauty of it... since it's a one to one ratio, you can leave them both to there 360 degree default value! :)
Leave me your Fusion username and I will share the project with you so you can have a look at it if you like.
You could also download it as a Fusion 360 archive from this link : a360.co/2pxEODu
I just downloaded it. It works great. I tried to replicate the results on my spring however, and I'm having trouble. Is there a reason you added your motion links in that order (the middle link last)? Did you decided to reverse some of them by eye or was there a pattern?
When I created the motion links, I simply got confused and missed the middle one so I did it last but the order in witch you create the motion links doesn't matter. The end result is the same.
As for reversing some of them, I did just like you and reversed the ones going the wrong way. I didn't really pay attention for a pattern.
If you have trouble replicating it on your existing spring, may be start from a fresh project? Although, this should not make any difference.
Again, thanks for sharing this great tip! It made my day!!!
what about the whole suspension with multiple rigid group?
Excellent instructional video! No fluff straight to the point! Thank you.
What a great video man! thanks for sharing! I loved the detail and speed you went through everything, nothing missed and nothing over or under-explained! Great work!
This is a great tip and tutorial and it worked for a compression spring but I was not able (yet) to make it work for an expansion spring. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the fact that you did not use keyboard shortcuts too much and was able to follow it step by step which is not the case with other Fusion 360 tutorials.
Thank you!
bro thanks for this awesome tutorial . i have searching how to do this spring work last two months.i even posted this issue in fusion community.thanks for uploading a solution
I just created a motion link between the revolutions and made them the same angle, works better for me
A motion link between all 8 joints? How?
@@JaTool Sorry I wasn't clear, I created multiple motion links:
Link1: Rev1 & Rev2
Link2: Rev1 & Rev3
Link3: Rev1 & Rev4
And so on...
I kept linking to Rev1 because I think it's easier for the computation if all motionlinks getting their value from one joint.
If one link goes the wrong way, you can just put a - infront of the angle value but it worked without for me.
You can also do a "as built joint" with the first section to the origin and select the snap on the circular face of the first section, so the spring will keep it's axis.
I was making an assembly which had movement between two objects. Because of this I couldn't use the spring component during the simulation. Now that I have variable change of length in the springs it works perfectly.Thank you so much for this tutorial, it has made the visual aspect of my project so much better!
Awesome. Perfect example that the tool is only as good as the user. I like how you kinda chuckled at the end there and said "so we can look at it a little more" I was thinking the exact same thing. I could sit there and play with that for hours.
I appreciate the video and how you showed what to do if you do get your flags in the wrong direction even after you told us to get them matching- I see what you did there!
Thank you! This was very clear and helped me immensely. Cheers!
cool I guess. I haven't used Fusion 360 yet but I'm planning to for some fun hobby projects. If you already use it and invested your time, I can see why this is an exciting hack. For me, it's more disappointing that I'd have to jump through all these hoops and that spring behavior isn't just built in. It's not like you're adding some fantastical concept. So many mechanical projects have springs.
Not going to lie, I thought this was click bait, but damned if I didn't learn a bunch of little bits and one big thing. Great video.
Great work figuring that out! And thanks for sharing. Hopefully they just make it easier in the future like it is in Inventor & Solidworks etc..
I appreciate the advanced tip to produce natural looking motion.
I've been studying and participating in your Fusion 360 for Wood Workers Course on Udemy and other than a few quirks have found it extremely useful.
i Made it!!!! Im an engineering student and i wanted to improve my CAD skills, this should be very useful!
thank you
Great Tutorial. Very impressed you figured that one out.
This is what I had to do with the spring. Super !! Thanks!!
This is great man, thanks a bunch, really appreciate you taking the time to do this for us!
I tried to make a longer spring by this principle. When the number of motion link reached 10, then the connections stopped moving. Is it possible to somehow bypass this restriction on the number of motion link?
Sounds like the processor is maxing out. The program has to make 100's of 1000's calculations for what looks to be a "simple" movement.
What a wonderful workaround! Thanks for the inspiration!
This video came as a life saver! Thank You
Wow, at first appeared impossible, but the solution is actually pretty straightforward - brilliant!
Mike all this is important. I did sign up for your class. I am on the Candle Stick Holder. I also have SolidWorks student version as a retired military member I was able to get it for $25 bucks. I did not learn it. Fusion 360 came along and went with that route. So, I am glad you put this course together.
If you try to design something and want to share by all means do so. That is what TH-cam is all about.
We want to learn and make things. I do think you punch a hole in what some of us need and you are fulfilling that need in the marketplace so, good for you and "US".
Take a look at SVSeeker at the end of his videos people send in pics on that the have been making. I think perhaps you can do something similar to inspire us on the other end of TH-cam.
Keep up the good work on this and I speak for myself I am "SO GLAD YOU PUT THIS COURSE TOGETHER" and offered it at a reasonable price.
Try to get the kids involved in this. It is a Designer Shop Class in the making.
I hope you and the Misses had a great day.
Will from Akron, Ohio
Thanks for comment Will. That means a lot. I'm actually from Akron originally!
I didn't realize you were from Ohio. Did you grow up in Akron proper or outside? I grew up in Barberton, but lived in Macedonia before moving out west
Aaron if you were replying to me. I grew up in Illinois about 20 minutes from St. Louis. I was in the military and did two tours in the Federal Building in Cleveland. When I retired I stayed. Looking for a new place in the country. Something with about 50 Acres or about. I have lived all over and generally the Summers here are fantastic. The winter on the other hand can be brutal. Thanks goodness for a "heated and Insulated Garage/Shop".
thx man, I wish you success in personal life and advancing career opportunities.
Thx for real
This is really helpful hack.These tricks will make possible to create motion studies of assembling exploded parts and go for cloud rendering.Fusion 360 animation section is not render-able at this moment.Hence these tricks can be implemented to cover up those limitations.
Very good indeed. A great tip and well demonstrated.
Little gem of a video
Excellent tips in one video, thank you very much
Very simple and beautiful!
Thanks for ur great tip!
genius.
I've been wondering how to do this for about 2 years, even thought about using math relationships between positions of components and parameters of a spring, but they cannot be linked.
this looks like a lot of setup work, but it's definitely working.
Chapeau, sir :)
This tutorial is GOLD! Thanks :)
Bellissimo tutorial ! Complimenti Mike 👍
Awesome tutorial! Thanks a lot buddy!
Thanks for a great tutorial ;)
You're welcome!
Woah!! This is impressive !!
Nice!
Hi Mike,
congrats for your tutorial. I found it very brilliant! I also manage an Italian YT channel of Fusion 360 Tutorials. I would like to propose your tutorial also on my channel, if you agree.
Nevertheless, I have some issues trying to follow your instructions. It seems that the entire model gets stuck after the creation of the third or fourth motion link.
Since your tutorial is four years old, I'm wondering if your method is still working by using of the last version of the software. Have you recently repeated this procedure?
Thanks in advance for your time.
You are a wizard, thanks!
Awesone tip. Very ingenious.
So if i want to make a coil for a kickstand which has about 100 twists, it'd take me a day to finish it . dammit
Dude!
thanks going to try this now !
really cool, u know what? I'm not gonna put a working spring in my desing anymore :D
Great Turorial, really impresses NX Power User here.
Since I do not see other F360 Videos from Mike, can anyone recommend the most advanced F360 Channel with Videos, Tips and Tricks like this?
Thanks in advance
My brain got sweaty watching this one.
Would there not be pre-built models of working springs available in some kind of library already?
Unfortunately, not that I was able to find. Most of the workarounds suggest using 2 spring models- one compressed and one at rest, then turning off/on each one as needed to see how it will interact.
Thanks. Clever thinking.
could a control be added that held the spring in compression until the control is triggered and then the spring, "springs' into action?
HI Mike, Thanks for a great lesson. I have a question about a slight modification- how would the hack change if the spring followed an arc instead of a straight path- for instance the spring is attached to a rocker arm? Joe
This was truly useful!!
You are a gEnius!!! 👏 thanks bro
Very NICE! Thank you!
Great tutorial! My only question is where do you go to order the custom spring you made?
Would a simulation work as long as you select the right material for the spring?
pure gold.
Need help in one more case!
Imagine you are using the spring in another assembly.
Is there a way to assemble the spring in the centre of 2 discs just like in this tutorial but the discs are made earlier and not in the model 😅
I hope my doubt converted into words!!
AWESOME VIDEO THANKS!!! CAN YOU SHOW US HOW TO PUT A HOOK ON THE END OF THE SPRING SO IT CAN HOOK TO SOMETHING LIKE A PIN?
Super !! Pourriez vous faire un tuto pour entrainer une courroie GT2 sur 2 poulies Merci
Thanks for a great tutorial.
Second Comment ~ I plan on building a Porch on the second floor floor of my garage with a 5' wide ramp. Using Fusion 360 with your training I can make plans and print them for a "Permit" to the city.
Design see if works then cut and or make Sparks with permit if needed.
I can not thank you enough....
DUDE! Awesome job!
Thanks!
Brilliant, Thank you!
Cool tip, thankyou. Subbed.
Thanks for sharing man 👍
How does FUSION 360 compare to the SMART DRAW application? And have you looked at that? Going through a demonstration today.
+Kevin J Fusion 360 is a 3D modeling software. Smart draw appears to be for flow charts and 2d drawings.
when we model a whole suspension does it work with the other parts? for example squeezing washer and jaw part to gether, they are all modeled as rigid group with the bottom piece of spring. i tried to make it but did not work with the multible parts. does anyone has an opinion?
Ferry heads on the wack-a-mold??!
Haha! What a great week :)
Wow that's clever. Really, well done. It's a shame this would probably swamp the cpu in an assembly.
is it possible, that it doesn't work with current version?
I make the same like you, but it doesn't spring back.
sorry new Test, and it works, thank you for this nice tip. do you know a move which can do it smooth like a gas damper?
Great trick
Great video thank you!
Sweet Tut!
You are a lifesaver thanks
Glad to help :)
Brilliant!
You are amazing!
Was the coupon only valid for a specific timeframe or use count? Doesn't appear to work anymore
+Aaron Robinson The $39 dollar coupon was only valid for launch week. mikeandlauren.com/learnfusion360 will give you the best discount now at $49. Or use the coupon code "TH-cam"
awesome tip.. thanks ..
Great work :)
Genius!
Genius!!!
sir, how to give compressive motion to sprial coil
Very nice! Go to repeat
I don't see how this method could possibly model a real spring, through, if you are choosing revolute joints at DISCRETE positions on the spring, when the force applied to a spring causes a reaction force that is CONTINUOUS. For example if you were to run a simulation on this, all the pressure would be at you joints, instead of along every point of the spring like a real spring. So if you were trying a find out how to model a real spring to determine what spring constant you need to counter a given force, I don't see how this method helps. Is there no way to model and simulate a real spring in Fusion 360?
thanks!
Beast!
Jedi level .... wow !
Nice tuto.......a torsion spring model and simulation please..
It doesn't work. After all motion links, my coil doesn't move anymore, it's stuck. There's two days that I'm trying to fiz it, I have made 6 another coils, every time with the same result.
YOU ARE A GOD!
is it possible to render a movie out of that in Fusion 360?
Yes, if you make what is called a motion study, you can render out a movie of moving parts. There are a lot of tutorial videos on that subject on youtube.
6:38 this is it!
You're good!
That was exhausting just to watch. I just use a parameter for my coil height. To make it springy, I would think I could just set a formula based on the first parameter for rest. Haven't tried that part yet.
That can't be done in Fusion. I've seen it done in Inventor though. Is that your case?
how tricky. i would have had a time thinking
of that
Another 3 years later... still in the same place!
What?
Wow😮
send link to fusion model please