Yep all of a sudden you go from it being impossible to suddenly it all clicking and before you know it you’re doing it almost without knowing exactly how!
Reminds me of when my instructor tried getting me to pick up a cone with the skid for the first time. I thought it was totally impossible to do such a thing, but now it's a piece of cake... Sometimes. Only picked it up twice after being unable to fly for a month, and enjoyed 17 knot winds while attempting it.
Dec 28th was my first lesson I flew pretty well and landed once, hovering is different story. I wrote you a couple of days ago and said I was scared to death. I have a lot more respect for helicopters now.
So glad you enjoyed it! We are really trying to get into the nuts and bolts of the entire flying experience with this series so please give any suggestions of what you’d like to see.
I did my first flight today! It was fantastic. I found it strange that the controls are so sensative. Its like holding a feather.🚁🚁🤩loved your film.good luck for thé next flight.🚁☯️🚁
Fantastic, I’ve just started on lessons, had a go in the R44 first, but now training in an R22. My hovering skills are improving, but I still have to learn to correct quicker, to stop the pendular effect. Thank you for your video and keep up your great work, take care and happy flying!
Thanks for the feedback and good luck with your training! Way I like to articulate it is to distract yourself (in a safe sense like talking to your instructor) so that your subconscious mind can take over as your conscious mind cannot react fast enough! Plus be very aware of your breathing, I’m always amazed how often people hold their breath and tense up!
@@Anthelionhelicopters Thank you for your very helpful advice and I shall apply this to my future lessons. People like yourselves are so helpful and I’m very glad to have subscribed to your channel, looking forward to following you, thank you once again!
Love it. Might do my cfi and instrument with you :-) did my first hover in the RH44 too, with snow around us blowing up haha I wish everywhere had Southern California weather. Not Canada. 🇨🇦
That’s great to hear, thanks for the feedback! Just let us know when you want to head down to warmer climates! Be great to see you for instrument and CFI, we have an approved Sim too, which may be useful for your instrument 👍🚁
I'm curious about the cyclic control feel from R22 to R44. With the hydraulic actuation of the cyclic being more "responsive". Do you apply a tiny wrist movement or even finger tension to actuate? At the same time keeping your shoulder and elbows "rock solid". With the larger helicopter which is more massive/more inertia do you have to "wait" for the ship to respond. Thus, you must "throw/hold" the stick movement a tad before correcting back to center or over-correct to dampen.
Hi, thanks for the question. In answer, the actuation is all with the fingers and wrist in the R44 the the vast majority of the time if you have your wrist and forearm placement correct. The hydraulics certainly add an element of artificial feel which can give you the propensity to over control. I wouldn’t necessarily use the term ‘rock solid’ with your elbow and shoulder although I get your meaning as you certainly don’t want to be initiating control movement from there. I would, however, encourage you to be a loose as possible as so not to tense up on the controls - be aware of your breathing as that will help a lot.
All helicopters will behave differently. In general the modern big ones have pretty refined electric and mechanical assistance as so that you don’t have the throw the controls around to get the desired results. Of course you need to be cognizant of physics and that, by default, moving more mass around has bigger consequences! Older larger ones with less sophisticated control assistance will certainly require more control input and attention as the servos and computers just weren’t on par with today!
@@Anthelionhelicopters Okay, I think I understand the ergonomics involved, when hovering. Correct me if I am wrong: a.) First of all, from flying RC models I know that helicopters have a natural "drift left" if the ship is level, so you must always have a slight lean right cyclic to stop it(zero ground speed). Also, assume wind is zero, like in early morning. b.) Once, you find that cyclic stick position = zero ground speed hover, then that is the center point for your hand. c.) You "comfortably" lock your shoulders and elbows and just use your hands and finger tension to control cyclic. d.) You're hand should be free to comfortably pitch and bank in all 4 directions. This also "sets" your end point travel for max pitch fwd/aft and max bank left/right. This helps to physically limit "over-traveling" of the cyclic. e.) If there is any wind, then use your should or elbows to "move/reset" your whole hand to another "center point". Effectively, "trimming" to a new center position so you do not drift. f.) If there is a sudden gust and you need a burst of cyclic travel, then and only then do you use some "slight elbow/shoulder" movement to add more cyclic travel. Then after cyclic correction you return your elbows/shoulders back to "center". Then continue using the limited "hand throw" movement to control the cyclic. Are helicopter students usually "clear" about understanding the difference between hovering to "sit level" and hovering for "zero ground speed"? I think this is where students can get confused. There is a human tendency to want to sit and feel "level", but the helicopter dynamics at level = drift to left. Thus, the student becomes worries when the helicopter starts to drift. At the same time the student is focusing on fore/aft pitch. The student must get comfortable with how much right lean should be normal. Of course, there is also the wind effect. If the wind is steady that is easy, but if it is gusty then the student must "work the cyclic" to correct/compensate. Am I in the ball park with this theory.
@@trexinvert some parts I are accurate. The drift you talk about is called translating tendency in aerodynamic terms and is the tendency of the heli to move in the direction of tail rotor thrust when sitting in a hover. This is compensated for either by mast rigging I.e. canting the mast and MR gearbox slightly off center to generate a slight horizontal component of lift to offset the effect of the tail rotor thrust or cyclic trim - manual in an R22 or electric in the Cabri and S300. Not sure if that exists in the RC world but that’s what we’ve got to deal with the issue. Hope that helps
While the basic movements may be the same it’s the ‘feel’ that sets them apart. The forces generated by being in flight and the subsequent feeling in the controls and seat of your pants gives a far more tactile and nuanced experience. We have an advanced sim too with full motion and 4K graphics and while it’s a useful for procedural and fundamentals it’s pretty far away from the real experience.
They are right about it being fairly different when you get into actually flying the thing, I found that it helped me out a ton when I first started flying. I went from DCS rotaries to the R44 and R22. It allowed me to do fairly well getting straight into the cockpit, and knew a bit about what I should expect when trying to hover. The neat thing is that the stuff I learned from flying irl also helped out with the lack of skills I had in the simulator.
Having to hear the tower while trying to listen to the instructor sucked. I feel sorry for the students there. If there's a way for only the instructor to hear the tower, that would be acceptable to me. Otherwise, not.
We try to turn down the volume in the tower as much as possible but you still have to be able to hear them in case they are trying to call you, especially at a busy airport like Long Beach. It’s one of the hardest skills to learn, having to absorb all this information from different inputs at once, but extremely necessary and vital to being a good pilot and maintaining situational awareness at all times, no matter how much a distraction it may be.
@@Anthelionhelicopters While I agree it's important for the instructor to be able to hear the tower while training at the airport, I disagree that the student should be subjected to that during the early stages of his training. It's hard enough even without having to mentally separate words from the instructor and words from the tower.
@@philipmartin708 ok thanks for your input. Like we always say this is simply our opinions based on our extensive experience teaching and we find that the sooner we expose our students to the radios the sooner they overcome any fear they have of them. We have, time and time again, found that radios in general are one, if not the biggest, fear for new students and even exposing it to them on a passive level when training can get them better at both listening to and using them in the future. We are not saying this is a blanket policy and we are conscious that everyone learns differently, which is why these are general comments. If we find that someone is having trouble with the background noise, then of course, we will amend, as we deem necessary, to that.
Drives me crazy to see someone wearing a stupid mask _under_ their nose! That's like wearing a motorcycle helmet on one's knee. Yes, they're wearing a helmet. No, it doesn't do any good that way. ;-)
I remember my first day trying to hover. It was crazy... as you know. It's awesome the day it all just makes sense, and you get good at it.
Yep all of a sudden you go from it being impossible to suddenly it all clicking and before you know it you’re doing it almost without knowing exactly how!
Reminds me of when my instructor tried getting me to pick up a cone with the skid for the first time. I thought it was totally impossible to do such a thing, but now it's a piece of cake... Sometimes. Only picked it up twice after being unable to fly for a month, and enjoyed 17 knot winds while attempting it.
Fly safe 🙏
Always!
Dec 28th was my first lesson I flew pretty well and landed once, hovering is different story. I wrote you a couple of days ago and said I was scared to death. I have a lot more respect for helicopters now.
Nice, yeah you never really get it until you’ve done it! Good luck!
Thankyou for visually showing us what the experience is like out there.
So glad you enjoyed it! We are really trying to get into the nuts and bolts of the entire flying experience with this series so please give any suggestions of what you’d like to see.
I did my first flight today! It was fantastic. I found it strange that the controls are so sensative. Its like holding a feather.🚁🚁🤩loved your film.good luck for thé next flight.🚁☯️🚁
Great, good luck with the training!
My son so eager to for his Demo class we been for you guys almost 4years flying
Thank you Anthelion Helicopters a great full memories ❤❤❤
It's so Sensative!
Sensitive 🧐
That's the real challenge when learning but once you get used to it, you like it!
Fantastic, I’ve just started on lessons, had a go in the R44 first, but now training in an R22. My hovering skills are improving, but I still have to learn to correct quicker, to stop the pendular effect. Thank you for your video and keep up your great work, take care and happy flying!
Thanks for the feedback and good luck with your training! Way I like to articulate it is to distract yourself (in a safe sense like talking to your instructor) so that your subconscious mind can take over as your conscious mind cannot react fast enough! Plus be very aware of your breathing, I’m always amazed how often people hold their breath and tense up!
@@Anthelionhelicopters Thank you for your very helpful advice and I shall apply this to my future lessons. People like yourselves are so helpful and I’m very glad to have subscribed to your channel, looking forward to following you, thank you once again!
Love it. Might do my cfi and instrument with you :-) did my first hover in the RH44 too, with snow around us blowing up haha I wish everywhere had Southern California weather. Not Canada. 🇨🇦
That’s great to hear, thanks for the feedback! Just let us know when you want to head down to warmer climates! Be great to see you for instrument and CFI, we have an approved Sim too, which may be useful for your instrument 👍🚁
I miss my teaching days! If you can hover an R22 you can hover any helicopter!!!
Isn’t that the truth! 👍
Love the video, keep em comin!
You’re a legend dude. You’re inspiring. Keep going dude. Love the media. Great work. Well put together. And awesome flying! Well done.
Many thanks 💪🚁👍
This looks awesome. I can't believe you can get paid to do this!
Ha thanks, it’s a good place to have your office! 💪🚁😎
Yup u can do it put your back into it!
I'm curious about the cyclic control feel from R22 to R44.
With the hydraulic actuation of the cyclic being more "responsive". Do you apply a tiny wrist movement or even finger tension to actuate?
At the same time keeping your shoulder and elbows "rock solid".
With the larger helicopter which is more massive/more inertia do you have to "wait" for the ship to respond.
Thus, you must "throw/hold" the stick movement a tad before correcting back to center or over-correct to dampen.
Hi, thanks for the question. In answer, the actuation is all with the fingers and wrist in the R44 the the vast majority of the time if you have your wrist and forearm placement correct. The hydraulics certainly add an element of artificial feel which can give you the propensity to over control. I wouldn’t necessarily use the term ‘rock solid’ with your elbow and shoulder although I get your meaning as you certainly don’t want to be initiating control movement from there. I would, however, encourage you to be a loose as possible as so not to tense up on the controls - be aware of your breathing as that will help a lot.
All helicopters will behave differently. In general the modern big ones have pretty refined electric and mechanical assistance as so that you don’t have the throw the controls around to get the desired results. Of course you need to be cognizant of physics and that, by default, moving more mass around has bigger consequences! Older larger ones with less sophisticated control assistance will certainly require more control input and attention as the servos and computers just weren’t on par with today!
@@Anthelionhelicopters Okay, I think I understand the ergonomics involved, when hovering. Correct me if I am wrong:
a.) First of all, from flying RC models I know that helicopters have a natural "drift left" if the ship is level,
so you must always have a slight lean right cyclic to stop it(zero ground speed). Also, assume wind is zero, like in early morning.
b.) Once, you find that cyclic stick position = zero ground speed hover, then that is the center point for your hand.
c.) You "comfortably" lock your shoulders and elbows and just use your hands and finger tension to control cyclic.
d.) You're hand should be free to comfortably pitch and bank in all 4 directions. This also "sets" your end point travel for max pitch fwd/aft and max bank left/right.
This helps to physically limit "over-traveling" of the cyclic.
e.) If there is any wind, then use your should or elbows to "move/reset" your whole hand to another "center point". Effectively, "trimming" to a new center position so you do not drift.
f.) If there is a sudden gust and you need a burst of cyclic travel, then and only then do you use some "slight elbow/shoulder" movement to add more cyclic travel. Then after cyclic correction you return your elbows/shoulders back to "center". Then continue using the limited "hand throw" movement to control the cyclic.
Are helicopter students usually "clear" about understanding the difference between hovering to "sit level" and hovering for "zero ground speed"?
I think this is where students can get confused. There is a human tendency to want to sit and feel "level", but the helicopter dynamics at level = drift to left.
Thus, the student becomes worries when the helicopter starts to drift. At the same time the student is focusing on fore/aft pitch. The student must get comfortable with how much right lean should be normal. Of course, there is also the wind effect. If the wind is steady that is easy, but if it is gusty then the student must "work the cyclic" to correct/compensate. Am I in the ball park with this theory.
@@trexinvert some parts I are accurate. The drift you talk about is called translating tendency in aerodynamic terms and is the tendency of the heli to move in the direction of tail rotor thrust when sitting in a hover. This is compensated for either by mast rigging I.e. canting the mast and MR gearbox slightly off center to generate a slight horizontal component of lift to offset the effect of the tail rotor thrust or cyclic trim - manual in an R22 or electric in the Cabri and S300. Not sure if that exists in the RC world but that’s what we’ve got to deal with the issue. Hope that helps
How many total hours did you have at this point?
Just over 5000 (the instructor!) The student is probably 10-15 at this point.
Dont give UP
Never 👌👍😍🚁
❤❤❤❤
Which simulator did you practice on?
We have a new 4K graphics, full-motion platinum simulators sim, which is extremely useful
Starting my r44 training within 2 weeks
Fantastic, you’ll love it!
Fantastic, you’ll love it!
@@Anthelionhelicopters thanks for the support! First lesson 17th june here in sweden. Preparing to empty the bank account and then some. Haha
Mypilotpro for the tail Rotor mount? #SkyBaum
Yes indeed, we have a couple of them, fantastic pieces of kit for use with the GoPro9!
@@Anthelionhelicopters my next investment! How are you able to place the mount on the tail boom? Would be a cool 😎 video to watch. #SkyBaum
@@SkyBaum on the tail rotor guard candy cane right by where it mounts into the tailcone, to minimize vibration.
@@Anthelionhelicopters Thank you 🙏
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Can anyone comment on how much different it is to fly a real helicopter compared to a flight simulator helicopter, ie X Plane R44
While the basic movements may be the same it’s the ‘feel’ that sets them apart. The forces generated by being in flight and the subsequent feeling in the controls and seat of your pants gives a far more tactile and nuanced experience. We have an advanced sim too with full motion and 4K graphics and while it’s a useful for procedural and fundamentals it’s pretty far away from the real experience.
@@Anthelionhelicopters Thanks for your response, appreciated. Have been learning a lot from watching your videos. Keep them coming. Cheers 👍
They are right about it being fairly different when you get into actually flying the thing, I found that it helped me out a ton when I first started flying. I went from DCS rotaries to the R44 and R22. It allowed me to do fairly well getting straight into the cockpit, and knew a bit about what I should expect when trying to hover. The neat thing is that the stuff I learned from flying irl also helped out with the lack of skills I had in the simulator.
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Having to hear the tower while trying to listen to the instructor sucked. I feel sorry for the students there. If there's a way for only the instructor to hear the tower, that would be acceptable to me. Otherwise, not.
We try to turn down the volume in the tower as much as possible but you still have to be able to hear them in case they are trying to call you, especially at a busy airport like Long Beach. It’s one of the hardest skills to learn, having to absorb all this information from different inputs at once, but extremely necessary and vital to being a good pilot and maintaining situational awareness at all times, no matter how much a distraction it may be.
@@Anthelionhelicopters While I agree it's important for the instructor to be able to hear the tower while training at the airport, I disagree that the student should be subjected to that during the early stages of his training. It's hard enough even without having to mentally separate words from the instructor and words from the tower.
@@philipmartin708 ok thanks for your input. Like we always say this is simply our opinions based on our extensive experience teaching and we find that the sooner we expose our students to the radios the sooner they overcome any fear they have of them. We have, time and time again, found that radios in general are one, if not the biggest, fear for new students and even exposing it to them on a passive level when training can get them better at both listening to and using them in the future. We are not saying this is a blanket policy and we are conscious that everyone learns differently, which is why these are general comments. If we find that someone is having trouble with the background noise, then of course, we will amend, as we deem necessary, to that.
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Drives me crazy to see someone wearing a stupid mask _under_ their nose! That's like wearing a motorcycle helmet on one's knee. Yes, they're wearing a helmet. No, it doesn't do any good that way. ;-)
Take the stupid masks off
Legally have to comply with LA County and Long Beach mandates as far as CDC guidelines go. Not much more to say.
It's difficult to believe people that are so talented to fly a helicopter are so gullible to wear a mask. smh.
That is EXACTLY the way I think about it. It was all just misguided guidance after all. SMH