REMINDER: EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION. I AM NOT THE GOD OF TIER LISTS OR META OR ANYTHING. ALSO it's a tier list and these aren't great for pinpointing character strengths/weaknesses. Don't follow things like this by law. AND PLEASE DO NOT BE WEIRD ABOUT IT IN DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. >> T1. Chevreuse T2 >>> T1.5. Faruzan T2 >>> T1. Sigewinne T1.5 >>> T2. Reminder that Chevreuse is evaluated at C0, NOT C6.
This is a good list tbh, there are a lot of assumptions and consecions you need to make to be able to finish a tier list, and like, yeah, Lyney and Hu Tao definitely aren't on par with Arle, but you really can't put a lot of on-fielders on T0 (aside from Neuvi), so you would have to move them down to T1 and separate them too much. Overall, I like the enfasis on supports and characters like Raiden that strenghten and allow you to make a lot of teams in your account, great vid!
I'm glad you liked it! I will say it was difficult putting some characters in certain tiers (especially the On-Fielders, like you mentioned) due to capacity but also the fact that there's many things to consider outside of simply what they do themselves (i.e. teams, usage rates over time, fighting scenarios, rotations, etc.).
I think the perception that Arlecchino is better than the other top pyro carries (Hu Tao, Lyney, and Xiangling) is probably due to ease of use and consistency compared to other 3. Hu Tao did get easier to execute thanks to Xianyun but CA repositioning still often comes into play and you still CA cancel in non-Xianyun teams. Lyney can be a optimization nightmare requiring a lot of forethought with respect to enemy patterns since getting staggered is detrimental to his damage, also CA bow cancel techs are useful to know for fluidity/consistency. Xiangling wants a good driver which means knowing how to backpedal or double hit pyronado to greatly increase her damage, and double swirls setups can be a pain to optimize for in multiwave content. With Arlecchino you kinda just go ham on left clicking and you get similar damage to a maximum effort Hu Tao, Lyney, or Xiangling team. Having said all that, I don't think ease of use is enough to justify Arlecchino being higher than them so her placement is pretty much in line with my view.
But it does? Lyney's damage sheets SO HIGH on paper, but on practice playing him without a shield is downright impossible, Hu tao is a nightmare to play on mobile without C1 and feels clunky on PC, she does some nice damage but Arle scales higher, with Xianyun C1 Hu tao just becomes useless too lol Additionally, Hu tao cons are kinda shit, and Arle's weapon is REALLY strong on her compared to homa on hu tao, which means with higher investment Arle can clear easily
@@yahia5476 At the end of the day, she's just another strong pyro dps. It's a little wild to think she belongs in the same tier as units like Bennett, Kazuha, Xingqiu, Furina, etc..
this is actually one of the more better tierlists ngl. i liked how u tried to organise each tier and actually explain them so it felt more reasonable. using a group of characters to represent each tier actually made sense instead of going one by one and throwing them into tiers since you were less likely to change your mind. i do think some placements are a bit off but overall still good tier list compared to the other ones out there
Props to hoyo (something I rarely say) for sort of managing power creep and letting characters like Xiao and dilic have a revival. Who knows maybe Ayato will have his turn too
Klee is actually quite powerful since the release of Furina, Noelle is also significant better than Itto post furina, she has less single target damage by herself but with furina she easily outdamages him while consolidating the healer role
Shenhe is t4, i have no idea how you could rank her above faruzan. I'd also rank the three cryo onfielders (ganyu, ayaka and wrio) all in the same placement, ganyu's melt team is still an advantage over ayaka not being able to run those as well, and her freeze team received a large buff with furina (this team also makes kazuha and venti be sidegrades, meaning she isnt locked to venti's matchups)
Hand over C6 Faruzan to me, then we can discuss🤨🫴 Jokes aside, on the Ganyu point I do agree to reconsider Ganyu's tier placement cause after listening to my explanation (as well as yours), it sounds better to have her T1 instead. Ty for your input!
Fine by me, my point about shenhe and faruzan is that Meanwhile faruzan alone has her slot guaranteed at any anemo onfielder's team when she's C6 (and without her all of them fall several placements in practical combat efficiency, she singlehandedly pulls a significant portion of weight on the element) Shenhe by role compression issues doesnt find her teamslot in any melt team in the game except for speedrunning shells, and in freeze you can use a charlotte/furina team to replace her without major loss (in fact its better in AoE because quills arent in the equation), she is a unit that can be replaced without major loss unlike faruzan (Not only that, shenhe's buff is so short lived she is easily outperformed by generalist buffers like kazuha and bennet, unlike faruzan who can buff for longer and that uptime difference ends up making her better than bennet even at c2 if you can balance the ER requirement, this adds to shenhe's role compression issues because she loses the slot to both of those supports)
@@antch0viesI disagree, mainly because I feel Ayaka shouldn't be on the same tier as her. Ayaka's best team (in the speedrunning community) consists of Shenhe, Kazuha and Bennett. Some very skilled speedrunners are able to execute Ayaka's rotations perfectly with that team, which lead to insanely fast clears. You can kill Coppelius (which has increased cryo resonance) with a C0R1 Ayaka in 2 rotations with that team. Ganyu melt does not have the same amount of raw damage (a burst motion value of 4000% is nothing to glance over). Her freeze team is also vastly inferior to Ayaka's. Putting Ganyu in Tier 1 is fine, but I'd put Ayaka (as well as Xiao and Nilou) into T0.5 Edit: Shenhe is in Ayaka's best team for both freeze and bosses. Furina is an alternative, but the team's damage will be lower, and notably not as front loaded
@@korosensei329 i really dont pay any attention to speedrunning so i am unaware of how good ayaka speedruns are but shenhe bennet kazuha turns any cryo onfielder into a speedrun character, in contexts with more than one target or more than 1 wave i expect ayaka to fall off compared to ganyu. Also i dont know if you have actually checked how big of a buff the new furina freeze team is for ganyu, i believe it is closer than you'd expect
Definitely a lot better tier list than most other videos but there are still some big issues with some of the rankings Barbara and Yunjin should be higher imo. Barbara driver teams are pretty decent and Yunjin C6 is better than Bennett in some teams. Keqing shouldn't be in tier 1. Klee needs to go up. Quite a bit tbh. Yoimiya being 1 tier higher than Klee is unacceptable. As a player with extremely highly invested Klee and Yoimiya (both of them are C0R1, triple crowned and top 200 in Akasha artifact rankings and using their best teams) I can confidantly say that Yoimiya overall is NOT a better character than Klee. Kleerina and monopyro Klee teams are extremely strong, I recommend checking them out.
This is not accurate. Venti is not on the same tier as Xiao. Miko is not just relevant c6 Faruzan is not situational. Hmm it had some issues for sure. The other placements are acceptable I guess but these are put wrong. Venti is a situational character, Xiao is an onfield that requires c6 Faruzan or Xianyun so I guess he is also situational but the premium team still outputs similar damage to some of the other stronger ones, it's maybe not the most influential team in the game he still deserves more respect in current meta. YES he is short doesn't mean you have to go and disrespect him the guy has enough as it is.
Xiao in tier 1 is a joke, he was literally on wanderer level before xianyun 💀💀 since then he’s easily became tier 0.5 Xiao premium is currently one of the best teams in the game and has higher dpr than Neuvi at equal investment with collision plunges, TGS did a video on this I get that everyone has different opinions, but you can’t say xiao got an increase with xianyun, but then place him in the spot he was at before her 💀
You’re completely valid with this point and honestly it is contradictory for me to say he got an increase but remain in a similar spot. Actually, would you mind letting me know which TGS vid? Im interested and I see a few, but not too sure which you’re referring to (I’m assuming it’s the Xiao vs. Neuvillette one but asking just in case!). And also ty for your input~
My brother in christ TGS himself admits xiao has rotation issues which make him clear slower. Xiao if anything is still mouche level I’d watch Jstern on that. His calcs do not change the fact that his setup time and lack of burst damage hold him back.
@@wilburforce8046 set up time? It takes like 5 seconds to use all his supports skills and bursts, his burst literally has a 3 second cool-down and 10 er is optimal with triple anemo, lack of burst damage? All of his damage comes from his burst and he isn’t lacking in damage at all bro you don’t even know what you’re talking about 💀 Could you name these rotation issues? His previous issues such as energy and circle impact are gone, even people who disliked his issues like zajef started using him, Vars put him as a top 5 dps, meta changes fast bro Premium xiao is a better team than like Half of the characters teams in tier 0.5
@@rayionkingu2908 nilou is the most comfortable character to use, she doesn't need a weapon, she doesn't need talent level ups, she does NUCLEAR damage that's sustained and kept all across the fight without downtime, she's easily the most underrated dps lol, she's not "niche", dendro and hydro characters only aren't niche when there are so many good ones
Saying Clorinde's issue is shes not that good outside dendro teams would be the same like saying Ayaka's issue is that shes played in freeze teams, or that Kazuha outside of pech element teams is not that useful is just wrong. Its how the game works. Its the core mechanic, u can not critisize that lmao :D hell, atp just say that Nilou's kit is problematic too cuz shes bad outside bloom teams. Just saying but relying on elements to make the character good is the whole point of this game
Am I blind deaf and dumb or was Wanderer not talked about in detail at all like the rest of the characters? I even tried using ChatGPT to point me to a timestamp where you talk about him, can't find it
You are correct, Wanderer (and many others) were not fully discussed in detail or at all in the video. Not adding for excuse but for reasoning, I personally didn't have much time to myself when recording due to personal reasons and opted for a handful within certain tiers up until like T0.5 and T0, and even in T0.5 I didn't talk about everyone I believe.
Great tier list overall with great reasonings, but there's a couple things i would disagree on 1. I don't believe Eula deserves T1.5. Her damage output is not too good on top of her performance being extremely inconsistent. She suffers immensely in multiwave scenarios and against constructs (both of which there's an abundance in abyss). She also doesn't have too many units that would synergize well with her (hello Mika) 2. More personal one, Ganyu and Ayaka should share the same tier. Where Ganyu lacks in damage she compensates with flexibility. She's a great second cryo option for Ayaka herself, but she's not confined to a cryo-centric team and can play a variety of supportive roles
I think that this list was good, except maybe for Kaveh’s placement. The simple fact he is dendro already opens up a ton of options and if you only had the 4 star dendro characters to play, he would definitely be the best on-field option. His burst also increases bloom damage, which can be good for nilou or just any hyperbloom or burgeon teams.
I'm so happy to feel that only kazuha is left for me to get after I get yelan in 4.8 patch + my raiden Shogun Then seeing KEQING is considered decent makes me not that sad my 50 50 to lose on her and then there's only 1 character I regret is my qiqi
Hmm that's a great question! There's a few I'm torn between, but I'll wing it and just say Kazuha. Going anecdotal here, but ever since I got him, I've consistently used him almost every Abyss cycle - even ones where he wasn't as necessary - purely because I lowkey rely on him that much😭. His CC plus buffing/debuffing capabilities are something that I appreciate having on my account up until now.
I must admit, I like and agree with most of the placements as in who's higher and who's lower. But a little bit of a constructive criticism would better work on how the tiers are formed, literally from tiers 0.5-1-1.5 etc, they are all basically the same based on your explanations. You could probably do something like 1>meta-defining 2>meta 3-niche 4-non-meta and be done with that. good job tho!keep it up!
arle just doesnt provide a significant upgrade in my opinion. id say yes, she's amazing for ease of use compared to some of the other pyro carries, but in terms of damage it doesnt seem like she is miles ahead. neuv on the other hand provides a way of dealing damage that is pretty impactful for the meta, which is why he's a notch above despite his on paper damage being pretty in line with the others
Your reasoning for having ganyu in 1.5 is cuz ayaka just does more in her best team😂😂 yeah tighnaris best team out damages both but hes still in 1.5 makes sense
Leaks coming out essentially saying that we're near the end of new elements, thus, invest heavily in strong characters and elements. Don't pull weaker characters, get constellations of strong characters instead. The two named from Natlan we must pull are Murata and Columbina.
Why are the Fontaine chracters treated differently like it's not a fair comparison if some have C6 and others have C0 they should all be C0 or C6 Plus why did you put keqing over itto and in the same tier as nilou or clorinde both WAY over her power level. Yes, Nilou may have a very limited number of teams but those teams destroy floor 12
Keqing is waaaaay better than Itto lmao. Post dendro Keqing is actually a very powerful unit while itto is stuck using his same team from 2 years ago. Even Noelle is better than itto in the current meta because she can use furina
Kuki,Arle and Alhaitham are definitely higher you cannot for a Team without DPS and neuvillete isn't the only one, so they are definitely high tier meta. Zhongli too, He is one of the highest used unit since his release 4 years ago, if that's not meta, then nothing is
Kuki and ZL I can understand and potentially may reconsider (notably due to how valuable comfort is to many players as well as what they offer aside from that), but I still think Arle and Alhaitham at T0.5 is fine as is. I am actually a little shocked not having them T0 as I'm someone who quite literally mains Arle and Alhaitham on my acc and tend to be biased towards them tbh💀. Regardless, it's still a good placement and as high-tier DPS units they provide notable benefits to an account if you have the right supports for them! Still, I'm understanding to your thought on why they should be higher~
Arlecchino and Alhaitham just are not at the level of someone like Neuvillette since they do have notable weaknesses. Arlecchinos prefers having Bennett on the team, Alhaithams prefers having Nahida on his teams. Arlecchino can die easily when you’re in Bennett circle and for some players shielding or defensive utility is advisable and this will lower her overall damage, she is a very good dps but just not in the same tier as Neuvillettes. Neuvillette does not rely on any character, is basically immortal, can fit defensive units into his teams without notable damage loss, has many team options and is the best AoE dps in the game with a very low skill ceiling. Like Alhaitham and Arlecchino they are not meta defining
@@justawalter9752 Neuvillete isn't defining anything as he doesn't definites any of the 30 DpS in the game. He is just deferent level strong and no one else can relate. Arlechino and Alhaitham defines to the other DPSs in game about How strong a DPS can be, You cannot unlock the strongest Pyro and Dendro teams without them, a DPS. Bennet might be the greatest Buffer in game, But if someone asks you how to reach the highest Pyro damage, the answer will be Arlechino, not Bennet, if that's not defining then I don't know what is.
@@Fam98KK How meaningful is it to be the highest pyro damage ceiling in the game ? And that also doesn’t really cover my argument, Arlecchino still has Bennett in almost all of her best teams and that is always disadvantageous for meta value as this means you cannot play other characters that want Bennett on the other side, the same goes for Alhaitham, how can a character be meta defining if they heavily rely on another character to actually be the best at what they do? I guess we have other definitions of meta defining, Neuvillette is a character that has nearly no weakness, doesn’t rely on certain characters to be what he is and can hardly be countered. Give Arlecchino an aggressive enemy and some players will struggle, take Alhaitham without Nahida and he will feel average. All of the characters in the highest tier have something in common and that is regardless of the situation and regardless of the account they will have unconditional value.
@@justawalter9752 Very meaningful as that's the meaning of defining, if you can't comprehend what I am saying that's on you. All DPS relies on Supports to bring out their potential except one, 'exception' can never be 'defining definition'.
Unpopular opinion 😅 but dps’ like Navia/Lyney should be lower. While they are strong, they can only really be played in a few specific teams and Isn’t the best in all abysses. More flexible units like koko and baizhu should not be in the same tier as them.
Although i dissagree with some placements of characters like sucrose in tier 1 considering u said u would rank her based on c6 cuz of how old she is(i think she should be 0.5), neuvilette being tier 0 imo just doesn’t feel right, is he tier 0 for the past like 7 abysses? Yes but that doesn’t make a character tier 0 imo. Just like how nilou in 3.x was so strong cuz every side had a nilou friendly abyss rn every abyss in 4.x had a neuv friendly abyss. Regardless of some characters i still think its a great list at the end of the day its just an opinion xD
No way neuvilleut in any content is broken as long as enemies aren't immune to hydro and the latest abyss had all the variety of targets what is there left to prove if you can solo abyss at C0(even if you think the abyss suit him)heal your self and does huge aoe from long distance and even hit flying targets and the fact he's hydro makes him more broken
Not quite as versatile and self sustainable as neuvilleut for example will get killed by one hit if you don't waste your bond of life but of course dmg wise she's insane
Neuvilleut can constantly heal Hit from long distance and even hit flying targets with bigger aoe and the fact he's hydro(best element) and more is what made him deserve to be the only dps in T0 (Btw am wriothesely main)
@@zulfiqar4147 i understand but it's stupid that it should be restricted that only one dps can be in t0. arle definitely outperforms every single dps on the tier she's put on. not saying she's better than neuv but she's up there
@@earlsican6211 i think support characters are easier to get the T0 on other hand dps being "very strong" is not enough the dps should be able to do everything on it own and fit in any team and neuvilleut is the only one that fit that description
@@wilburforce8046 of all the factors to consider in tierlist, damage is the most important. and even if its not, if a character in a game has the most damage, its considered top tier in any game. now that you cant provide me with what i asked, as expected, ur argument is trash.
Honestly, I really wanted to have them higher (if that's what you mean by this comment - if not then erm oopsie), but I have heavy bias esp towards Arle and Baizhu and ig I was a bit strict with myself on putting them any higher. But T0.5 isn't bad tho so coulda been worse (imagine if i put them T1...oh boy)
@@antch0vies i understand arle and zhongli cuz dps are gonna get powercrept sooner or later and zhongli is just not needed but baizu just bring dendro, can provide heals and shield just changes many things lol he can almost fit in any teams imo..
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REMINDER: EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION. I AM NOT THE GOD OF TIER LISTS OR META OR ANYTHING. ALSO it's a tier list and these aren't great for pinpointing character strengths/weaknesses. Don't follow things like this by law. AND PLEASE DO NOT BE WEIRD ABOUT IT IN DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. >> T1. Chevreuse T2 >>> T1.5. Faruzan T2 >>> T1. Sigewinne T1.5 >>> T2. Reminder that Chevreuse is evaluated at C0, NOT C6.
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This is a good list tbh, there are a lot of assumptions and consecions you need to make to be able to finish a tier list, and like, yeah, Lyney and Hu Tao definitely aren't on par with Arle, but you really can't put a lot of on-fielders on T0 (aside from Neuvi), so you would have to move them down to T1 and separate them too much. Overall, I like the enfasis on supports and characters like Raiden that strenghten and allow you to make a lot of teams in your account, great vid!
I'm glad you liked it! I will say it was difficult putting some characters in certain tiers (especially the On-Fielders, like you mentioned) due to capacity but also the fact that there's many things to consider outside of simply what they do themselves (i.e. teams, usage rates over time, fighting scenarios, rotations, etc.).
I think the perception that Arlecchino is better than the other top pyro carries (Hu Tao, Lyney, and Xiangling) is probably due to ease of use and consistency compared to other 3. Hu Tao did get easier to execute thanks to Xianyun but CA repositioning still often comes into play and you still CA cancel in non-Xianyun teams. Lyney can be a optimization nightmare requiring a lot of forethought with respect to enemy patterns since getting staggered is detrimental to his damage, also CA bow cancel techs are useful to know for fluidity/consistency. Xiangling wants a good driver which means knowing how to backpedal or double hit pyronado to greatly increase her damage, and double swirls setups can be a pain to optimize for in multiwave content. With Arlecchino you kinda just go ham on left clicking and you get similar damage to a maximum effort Hu Tao, Lyney, or Xiangling team. Having said all that, I don't think ease of use is enough to justify Arlecchino being higher than them so her placement is pretty much in line with my view.
But it does? Lyney's damage sheets SO HIGH on paper, but on practice playing him without a shield is downright impossible, Hu tao is a nightmare to play on mobile without C1 and feels clunky on PC, she does some nice damage but Arle scales higher, with Xianyun C1 Hu tao just becomes useless too lol
Additionally, Hu tao cons are kinda shit, and Arle's weapon is REALLY strong on her compared to homa on hu tao, which means with higher investment Arle can clear easily
@@yahia5476 At the end of the day, she's just another strong pyro dps. It's a little wild to think she belongs in the same tier as units like Bennett, Kazuha, Xingqiu, Furina, etc..
this is actually one of the more better tierlists ngl. i liked how u tried to organise each tier and actually explain them so it felt more reasonable. using a group of characters to represent each tier actually made sense instead of going one by one and throwing them into tiers since you were less likely to change your mind. i do think some placements are a bit off but overall still good tier list compared to the other ones out there
Props to hoyo (something I rarely say) for sort of managing power creep and letting characters like Xiao and dilic have a revival. Who knows maybe Ayato will have his turn too
Klee is actually quite powerful since the release of Furina, Noelle is also significant better than Itto post furina, she has less single target damage by herself but with furina she easily outdamages him while consolidating the healer role
Shenhe is t4, i have no idea how you could rank her above faruzan.
I'd also rank the three cryo onfielders (ganyu, ayaka and wrio) all in the same placement, ganyu's melt team is still an advantage over ayaka not being able to run those as well, and her freeze team received a large buff with furina (this team also makes kazuha and venti be sidegrades, meaning she isnt locked to venti's matchups)
Hand over C6 Faruzan to me, then we can discuss🤨🫴
Jokes aside, on the Ganyu point I do agree to reconsider Ganyu's tier placement cause after listening to my explanation (as well as yours), it sounds better to have her T1 instead. Ty for your input!
Fine by me, my point about shenhe and faruzan is that
Meanwhile faruzan alone has her slot guaranteed at any anemo onfielder's team when she's C6 (and without her all of them fall several placements in practical combat efficiency, she singlehandedly pulls a significant portion of weight on the element)
Shenhe by role compression issues doesnt find her teamslot in any melt team in the game except for speedrunning shells, and in freeze you can use a charlotte/furina team to replace her without major loss (in fact its better in AoE because quills arent in the equation), she is a unit that can be replaced without major loss unlike faruzan
(Not only that, shenhe's buff is so short lived she is easily outperformed by generalist buffers like kazuha and bennet, unlike faruzan who can buff for longer and that uptime difference ends up making her better than bennet even at c2 if you can balance the ER requirement, this adds to shenhe's role compression issues because she loses the slot to both of those supports)
yeah shenhe is surprisingly replaceable even in Ayaka teams which is kinda sad
@@antch0viesI disagree, mainly because I feel Ayaka shouldn't be on the same tier as her. Ayaka's best team (in the speedrunning community) consists of Shenhe, Kazuha and Bennett. Some very skilled speedrunners are able to execute Ayaka's rotations perfectly with that team, which lead to insanely fast clears. You can kill Coppelius (which has increased cryo resonance) with a C0R1 Ayaka in 2 rotations with that team. Ganyu melt does not have the same amount of raw damage (a burst motion value of 4000% is nothing to glance over). Her freeze team is also vastly inferior to Ayaka's.
Putting Ganyu in Tier 1 is fine, but I'd put Ayaka (as well as Xiao and Nilou) into T0.5
Edit: Shenhe is in Ayaka's best team for both freeze and bosses. Furina is an alternative, but the team's damage will be lower, and notably not as front loaded
@@korosensei329 i really dont pay any attention to speedrunning so i am unaware of how good ayaka speedruns are but shenhe bennet kazuha turns any cryo onfielder into a speedrun character, in contexts with more than one target or more than 1 wave i expect ayaka to fall off compared to ganyu.
Also i dont know if you have actually checked how big of a buff the new furina freeze team is for ganyu, i believe it is closer than you'd expect
Itto didn't even get talked about, rip
Sadge :'< (dw he's too iconic to be forgotten)
Holy cow, the very first 3 places of Tier 2 is Team Cryocket : D
One day Cryo will take over, just wait🗣 (coping)
@@antch0vies natlan have many cryo characters maybe they are cooking something
Definitely a lot better tier list than most other videos but there are still some big issues with some of the rankings
Barbara and Yunjin should be higher imo. Barbara driver teams are pretty decent and Yunjin C6 is better than Bennett in some teams.
Keqing shouldn't be in tier 1.
Klee needs to go up. Quite a bit tbh. Yoimiya being 1 tier higher than Klee is unacceptable.
As a player with extremely highly invested Klee and Yoimiya (both of them are C0R1, triple crowned and top 200 in Akasha artifact rankings and using their best teams) I can confidantly say that Yoimiya overall is NOT a better character than Klee.
Kleerina and monopyro Klee teams are extremely strong, I recommend checking them out.
If keqing isn’t in tier 1 neither is Cyno 🤷♀️
This is not accurate. Venti is not on the same tier as Xiao. Miko is not just relevant c6 Faruzan is not situational. Hmm it had some issues for sure. The other placements are acceptable I guess but these are put wrong. Venti is a situational character, Xiao is an onfield that requires c6 Faruzan or Xianyun so I guess he is also situational but the premium team still outputs similar damage to some of the other stronger ones, it's maybe not the most influential team in the game he still deserves more respect in current meta. YES he is short doesn't mean you have to go and disrespect him the guy has enough as it is.
You are contradicting short king defender.
Xiao in tier 1 is a joke, he was literally on wanderer level before xianyun 💀💀 since then he’s easily became tier 0.5
Xiao premium is currently one of the best teams in the game and has higher dpr than Neuvi at equal investment with collision plunges, TGS did a video on this
I get that everyone has different opinions, but you can’t say xiao got an increase with xianyun, but then place him in the spot he was at before her 💀
You’re completely valid with this point and honestly it is contradictory for me to say he got an increase but remain in a similar spot. Actually, would you mind letting me know which TGS vid? Im interested and I see a few, but not too sure which you’re referring to (I’m assuming it’s the Xiao vs. Neuvillette one but asking just in case!). And also ty for your input~
@@antch0viesyea, thats probably the vid the op was referring to
yeah he should be tier 2 or bellow , his dpr means nothing it takes 3 years to set up and do meaningfull damage
My brother in christ TGS himself admits xiao has rotation issues which make him clear slower.
Xiao if anything is still mouche level I’d watch Jstern on that. His calcs do not change the fact that his setup time and lack of burst damage hold him back.
@@wilburforce8046 set up time? It takes like 5 seconds to use all his supports skills and bursts, his burst literally has a 3 second cool-down and 10 er is optimal with triple anemo, lack of burst damage? All of his damage comes from his burst and he isn’t lacking in damage at all bro you don’t even know what you’re talking about 💀
Could you name these rotation issues? His previous issues such as energy and circle impact are gone, even people who disliked his issues like zajef started using him, Vars put him as a top 5 dps, meta changes fast bro
Premium xiao is a better team than like Half of the characters teams in tier 0.5
Having keqing and cyno and FUCKING NILOU on the same tier is weird
Why?
@@rayionkingu2908 nilou is the most comfortable character to use, she doesn't need a weapon, she doesn't need talent level ups, she does NUCLEAR damage that's sustained and kept all across the fight without downtime, she's easily the most underrated dps lol, she's not "niche", dendro and hydro characters only aren't niche when there are so many good ones
Saying Clorinde's issue is shes not that good outside dendro teams would be the same like saying Ayaka's issue is that shes played in freeze teams, or that Kazuha outside of pech element teams is not that useful is just wrong. Its how the game works. Its the core mechanic, u can not critisize that lmao :D hell, atp just say that Nilou's kit is problematic too cuz shes bad outside bloom teams. Just saying but relying on elements to make the character good is the whole point of this game
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Am I blind deaf and dumb or was Wanderer not talked about in detail at all like the rest of the characters? I even tried using ChatGPT to point me to a timestamp where you talk about him, can't find it
You are correct, Wanderer (and many others) were not fully discussed in detail or at all in the video. Not adding for excuse but for reasoning, I personally didn't have much time to myself when recording due to personal reasons and opted for a handful within certain tiers up until like T0.5 and T0, and even in T0.5 I didn't talk about everyone I believe.
Great tier list overall with great reasonings, but there's a couple things i would disagree on
1. I don't believe Eula deserves T1.5. Her damage output is not too good on top of her performance being extremely inconsistent. She suffers immensely in multiwave scenarios and against constructs (both of which there's an abundance in abyss). She also doesn't have too many units that would synergize well with her (hello Mika)
2. More personal one, Ganyu and Ayaka should share the same tier. Where Ganyu lacks in damage she compensates with flexibility. She's a great second cryo option for Ayaka herself, but she's not confined to a cryo-centric team and can play a variety of supportive roles
chev on the same tier as heizou, sethos and lisa is crazy
edit: BELOW EULA AND SIEGEWINNE IS CRAZIER
Check pinned. Made some adjustments to list.
Bond-of-life is actually a buff to zhongli because that means characters can't heal
I think that this list was good, except maybe for Kaveh’s placement. The simple fact he is dendro already opens up a ton of options and if you only had the 4 star dendro characters to play, he would definitely be the best on-field option. His burst also increases bloom damage, which can be good for nilou or just any hyperbloom or burgeon teams.
Who else goes into the Clordine Qiqi team?
I'm so happy to feel that only kazuha is left for me to get after I get yelan in 4.8 patch + my raiden Shogun
Then seeing KEQING is considered decent makes me not that sad my 50 50 to lose on her and then there's only 1 character I regret is my qiqi
should i get kazuha or yelan?
kazuha first in my opinion
Not to bad of a tier list l, think you got it mostly right, a few placements could change but other than that good job
My question to you is who do you think is the best character in the game is?
Hmm that's a great question! There's a few I'm torn between, but I'll wing it and just say Kazuha. Going anecdotal here, but ever since I got him, I've consistently used him almost every Abyss cycle - even ones where he wasn't as necessary - purely because I lowkey rely on him that much😭. His CC plus buffing/debuffing capabilities are something that I appreciate having on my account up until now.
@@antch0vies That's a great answer cause I think the same. Because his versatility unmatched in my imo.
Furina better
I must admit, I like and agree with most of the placements as in who's higher and who's lower. But a little bit of a constructive criticism would better work on how the tiers are formed, literally from tiers 0.5-1-1.5 etc, they are all basically the same based on your explanations. You could probably do something like 1>meta-defining 2>meta 3-niche 4-non-meta and be done with that. good job tho!keep it up!
content: 10/10
voice level: nahida/10
(man, u are whispering)
The reason no one plays Kaveh is because literally no one has him. He hasn't been on any banners in over a year
Meanwhile me with c1 Kaveh and have never used or even levelled him
You skipped chips and Yae Miko
Yae miko in T1 but what is chips 😅
I think arie should be tier 0 since most people put her equal with neuv theyre top 2 dps but yeah perfect list
arle just doesnt provide a significant upgrade in my opinion. id say yes, she's amazing for ease of use compared to some of the other pyro carries, but in terms of damage it doesnt seem like she is miles ahead. neuv on the other hand provides a way of dealing damage that is pretty impactful for the meta, which is why he's a notch above despite his on paper damage being pretty in line with the others
tier 0 mean character needs to be perfect but arle defensive is really mid she is fragile compare to other characters.
Care to explain as to why Alhaitham is above Nilou smh
Chevruse should go up 2 tiers HOLY, otherwise alright list 😂
Your reasoning for having ganyu in 1.5 is cuz ayaka just does more in her best team😂😂 yeah tighnaris best team out damages both but hes still in 1.5 makes sense
Leaks coming out essentially saying that we're near the end of new elements, thus, invest heavily in strong characters and elements.
Don't pull weaker characters, get constellations of strong characters instead.
The two named from Natlan we must pull are Murata and Columbina.
They also said hydro and cryo will get buffed in Natlan, which makes sense since both are fantastic with Pyro.
shut up omgggg
Do not trust leaks this early they are almost always wrong, and anyone can say that the pyro archon will be good because it is obvious
why arlechino that low?
T0.5 isn't low though? It's right after T0 and is a list still full of strong and influential units in-game, especially from a C0 5-star POV.
Why are the Fontaine chracters treated differently like it's not a fair comparison if some have C6 and others have C0 they should all be C0 or C6
Plus why did you put keqing over itto and in the same tier as nilou or clorinde both WAY over her power level. Yes, Nilou may have a very limited number of teams but those teams destroy floor 12
Keqing is waaaaay better than Itto lmao. Post dendro Keqing is actually a very powerful unit while itto is stuck using his same team from 2 years ago. Even Noelle is better than itto in the current meta because she can use furina
Kuki,Arle and Alhaitham are definitely higher
you cannot for a Team without DPS and neuvillete isn't the only one, so they are definitely high tier meta.
Zhongli too, He is one of the highest used unit since his release 4 years ago, if that's not meta, then nothing is
Kuki and ZL I can understand and potentially may reconsider (notably due to how valuable comfort is to many players as well as what they offer aside from that), but I still think Arle and Alhaitham at T0.5 is fine as is. I am actually a little shocked not having them T0 as I'm someone who quite literally mains Arle and Alhaitham on my acc and tend to be biased towards them tbh💀. Regardless, it's still a good placement and as high-tier DPS units they provide notable benefits to an account if you have the right supports for them! Still, I'm understanding to your thought on why they should be higher~
Arlecchino and Alhaitham just are not at the level of someone like Neuvillette since they do have notable weaknesses. Arlecchinos prefers having Bennett on the team, Alhaithams prefers having Nahida on his teams. Arlecchino can die easily when you’re in Bennett circle and for some players shielding or defensive utility is advisable and this will lower her overall damage, she is a very good dps but just not in the same tier as Neuvillettes. Neuvillette does not rely on any character, is basically immortal, can fit defensive units into his teams without notable damage loss, has many team options and is the best AoE dps in the game with a very low skill ceiling. Like Alhaitham and Arlecchino they are not meta defining
@@justawalter9752 Neuvillete isn't defining anything as he doesn't definites any of the 30 DpS in the game. He is just deferent level strong and no one else can relate. Arlechino and Alhaitham defines to the other DPSs in game about How strong a DPS can be, You cannot unlock the strongest Pyro and Dendro teams without them, a DPS. Bennet might be the greatest Buffer in game, But if someone asks you how to reach the highest Pyro damage, the answer will be Arlechino, not Bennet, if that's not defining then I don't know what is.
@@Fam98KK How meaningful is it to be the highest pyro damage ceiling in the game ? And that also doesn’t really cover my argument, Arlecchino still has Bennett in almost all of her best teams and that is always disadvantageous for meta value as this means you cannot play other characters that want Bennett on the other side, the same goes for Alhaitham, how can a character be meta defining if they heavily rely on another character to actually be the best at what they do? I guess we have other definitions of meta defining, Neuvillette is a character that has nearly no weakness, doesn’t rely on certain characters to be what he is and can hardly be countered. Give Arlecchino an aggressive enemy and some players will struggle, take Alhaitham without Nahida and he will feel average. All of the characters in the highest tier have something in common and that is regardless of the situation and regardless of the account they will have unconditional value.
@@justawalter9752 Very meaningful as that's the meaning of defining, if you can't comprehend what I am saying that's on you. All DPS relies on Supports to bring out their potential except one, 'exception' can never be 'defining definition'.
Noelle tier 3 smh
Childe in the same tier as Cyno and Keqing, below Zhongli and Navia.. bro, never cook again please
Unpopular opinion 😅 but dps’ like Navia/Lyney should be lower. While they are strong, they can only really be played in a few specific teams and Isn’t the best in all abysses. More flexible units like koko and baizhu should not be in the same tier as them.
Although i dissagree with some placements of characters like sucrose in tier 1 considering u said u would rank her based on c6 cuz of how old she is(i think she should be 0.5), neuvilette being tier 0 imo just doesn’t feel right, is he tier 0 for the past like 7 abysses? Yes but that doesn’t make a character tier 0 imo. Just like how nilou in 3.x was so strong cuz every side had a nilou friendly abyss rn every abyss in 4.x had a neuv friendly abyss. Regardless of some characters i still think its a great list at the end of the day its just an opinion xD
No way neuvilleut in any content is broken as long as enemies aren't immune to hydro and the latest abyss had all the variety of targets what is there left to prove if you can solo abyss at C0(even if you think the abyss suit him)heal your self and does huge aoe from long distance and even hit flying targets and the fact he's hydro makes him more broken
And nilou wasn't even close from neuvilleut versatility in making team and gameplay overall
Qiqi is better off in T4 *at best*🙄
The amount of things objectively wrong with this video is bait.
Eula 😂😂
Arle definitely belongs in T0
Not quite as versatile and self sustainable as neuvilleut for example will get killed by one hit if you don't waste your bond of life but of course dmg wise she's insane
Neuvilleut can constantly heal
Hit from long distance and even hit flying targets with bigger aoe and the fact he's hydro(best element) and more is what made him deserve to be the only dps in T0
(Btw am wriothesely main)
@@zulfiqar4147 i understand but it's stupid that it should be restricted that only one dps can be in t0. arle definitely outperforms every single dps on the tier she's put on. not saying she's better than neuv but she's up there
@@earlsican6211understandable opinion can't argue with that 😅
@@earlsican6211 i think support characters are easier to get the T0 on other hand dps being "very strong" is not enough the dps should be able to do everything on it own and fit in any team and neuvilleut is the only one that fit that description
when arlecchino has the highest damage in the game but isnt tier 0. dont do drugs
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Can you yourself put that damage into practice without resets or cons? No? Mk.
@@wilburforce8046 dumbo spotted, give me a c0 character that outdamages c0 arlecchino. ill wait
@@Traveler1328 me when my arguments are based on sheets lmao.
Damage isn’t everything for a non speedrun tier list ya dingus.
@@wilburforce8046 of all the factors to consider in tierlist, damage is the most important. and even if its not, if a character in a game has the most damage, its considered top tier in any game.
now that you cant provide me with what i asked, as expected, ur argument is trash.
arle, zhongli and baizu being in 0.5 is crimial ngl
Yea they should be lower
Honestly, I really wanted to have them higher (if that's what you mean by this comment - if not then erm oopsie), but I have heavy bias esp towards Arle and Baizhu and ig I was a bit strict with myself on putting them any higher. But T0.5 isn't bad tho so coulda been worse (imagine if i put them T1...oh boy)
@@antch0vies i understand arle and zhongli cuz dps are gonna get powercrept sooner or later and zhongli is just not needed but baizu just bring dendro, can provide heals and shield just changes many things lol he can almost fit in any teams imo..
The amount of things objectively wrong with this video is bait.