Keep up the channel, I love it well done. Well everything you do that saves you money is considered danger. I refill from a 12 kg butane gas bottle. Make sure you never put more gas in the canister than the given amount on the canister, if you overfill let some escape until you get to the correct weight. Follow the rules and you will be fine. Just do not do this by the campfire wile smoking a big cigar, that is not good for your health in more than one way.
Interesting, I purchased a SOTO gas refill adapter and didn’t have much luck getting gas to transfer. In the winter one would still need the propane isobutane mix. I have stoves for summer and winter use so I don’t really need to transfer gas as most of our camping is done when butane will work perfectly well and just suffer the silly gas mix prices for the occasional winter use or use white gas. Always good to have a back up system in place though and at that price it’s worth another try.
I just use the adapter and put the butane can straight onto the Trangia gas burner because it preheats the fuel line not bad when colder as well. Cheers Steve from Aus.
Sorry for my question, maybe stupid, but, is it really dangerous to refill a gas bottle/canister from an other, WITHOUT balance. Because you can not have more presure than the new bottle on the top !? An it's the same logic if you refil a cheap plastic lighter ?! Thank's ✌️
Nice hack gadget Paul, i got one couple of years ago that has small flex pipe, two fittings with taps to transfer gas but this one is lot less of a faff. I also got the one you did video that can transfer gas from butane lighter can . Tend to use alcohol in my trangia 27 but gas is godsend if weathers is very windy. Cheers Paul for the info, might buy one. 👍
It was very annoying that I had to buy the temperature gauge plus metal pan insert so I don’t burn anything which should be with it when you buy it.i say again thank you for a great idea
Have you ever had a cold burn? Interesting video, I may even try that out for myself. I grudged the cost of a small canister, the large one made more sense but it's awkward to pack away into the Jetboil.
Good to see you putting the videos up again Paul Will we see you in the woods with the dd xl again or has your outdoor pursuit taken you on a different road. Keep em coming Paul.
Great idea, Paul. I use the adapter with tube on one side to refill my canisters but your system is much better. As always, I always enjoy your informative videos.
Just started doing this Certainly a cash saver! Can you empy the top home bargains can or does it get to a point where no more gas transfers but there's still some gas left in the can?
If you put the can to be filled in the freezer for 30 min and the donor can in warm water, you can get most out. Might need to repeat this a couple of times if you want to squeeze out as much as possible. I just refilled mine from a 227g net weight bottle, and there was ~17g left at the end. (Emptied the bottle fully to check). So that's only ~8% wasted. If you don't want to muck about getting every last drop out, then you'll easily get 75% or more out of the bottle. Don't forget it's also in liquid form inside the can due to the pressure, so it's not just a question of balancing gas pressure -- you're literally pouring some of the liquid across too, provided you keep the donor on top. The main thing to do is always use similar gas mixes. If you refilled a butane bottle with a pure propane, for example, you'd be putting the bottle under massively more pressure for the same weight of contents, and risk exceeding the design pressure of the bottle you're filling. That can lead to catastrophic results. (boom!)
Hi Paul, I live in Malaysia, and its very humid here. So here's one question. Does one need to freeze either donor or receiving tank prior to the transfer, or can one just transfer the gas without the freezing process? Please note that I plan to do this on the field where freezing either cans could not be done. Anticipating your reply. Thank you.
if you can make the gas that you want to transfer colder than the receiving tank it would make it easier. If that isn't possible,. You would get more from a full can to an empty can at the same temperature than two half full cans. Don't expect to empty a full can on transfer. You can get an adapter for the can you want to transfer from, if you are going to have it with you out in the field then you don't need to transfer.
Humidity has nothing to do with it! It's well for the receiving tank to be cold, so that the Butane tends to condense and lowers the pressure in the receiver, just makes everything easier. That silver adapter with the valve sometimes also has a little button on it that VENTS the lower tank head space, and allows more liquid to flow. It's well to do this job outside. Also (I just did this today) you can help things along by putting some heat (I used hot water from the kettle) in the base of the upper bottle, it makes a little cup. That makes an increase in the pressure in the upper tank and moves some more liquid. You can hear it moving!
All it does is equalise the pressure. The empty can taking content from the pressured can. Divers do this all the time, may be betted if they had a pressure gauge with it. Should be okay if you are careful.
Don't forget that most of the contents are actually in liquid form due to the pressure, not gas. You're transferring liquid when the donor can is on top, so it's not just a question of a 50% transfer of gas. If you're careful with your fill percentages and temperature differentials you can get 90%+ out of your donor cans. You're right about the pressure gauges -- as this method is going only by mass, It's important to only refill with similar mixes, so you don't exceed the design pressure of the container you're filling. e.g. NEVER fill a butane or butane-mix bottle with pure propane -- it's MUCH higher pressure for the same mass and temperature.
Very useful.Thank you. I just bought a big 13kg propane cylinder £48. I also bought a 2.7kg Camping Gas cylinder for the extortionate sum of £45 for my CG two burner stove. Camping Gaz is a rip-off! I already had empty cylinders for both so no extra out lay for these or to enter into service contracts. I have a propane regulator and when the CG is done I plan to run my two burner stove from the propane cylinder.
The heavy blue camping gas are ok with propane, but do not refill the small canister with propane , Propane has a higher much higher pressure than butane. most of the canisters from the store have a 70% Butane and only 30% propane.
@@drkmaes Thanks for your reply. I do realise this. Butane regulators are set lower at approx 28-30 mbar where as propane regulators at around 37 mbar. I do not plan to refill any smaller cans with propane just run the cooker off the 13kg bottle with appropriate regulator. I do have some empty butane bottles as well which I might get exchanged for full ones which I could also use.
@@alexmorgan3435 The pressures you mention are the working pressure however most gas burners for camping ,use the pressure from the canister, no regulator in between. The pressure in the canister is dependent on the temperature of tank propane has a pressure of 129 psi @ a temperature of 27 C Butane 23 psi @ 27 C propane has a pressure of 197 psi @ a temperature of 43 C Butane 47 psi @ 43 C The small canisters have been engineered to withstand the pressures of the Gas mix of 70% butane and 30% propane, but the higher pressures from propane would give a problem. Your blue camping gas tank should have no problem with the propane. You can refill the camping gas tanks yourself, all the adapters for that are on the market.
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Keep up the channel, I love it well done.
Well everything you do that saves you money is considered danger.
I refill from a 12 kg butane gas bottle. Make sure you never put more gas in the canister than the given amount on the canister, if you overfill let some escape until you get to the correct weight. Follow the rules and you will be fine.
Just do not do this by the campfire wile smoking a big cigar, that is not good for your health in more than one way.
Thanks
I've used that home bargain gas in -4 and just as good as the premium brands.
Great video Paul, Just the job for filling my jet boil canisters.
Exactly!
Interesting, I purchased a SOTO gas refill adapter and didn’t have much luck getting gas to transfer. In the winter one would still need the propane isobutane mix.
I have stoves for summer and winter use so I don’t really need to transfer gas as most of our camping is done when butane will work perfectly well and just suffer the silly gas mix prices for the occasional winter use or use white gas.
Always good to have a back up system in place though and at that price it’s worth another try.
Thanks
I just use the adapter and put the butane can straight onto the Trangia gas burner because it preheats the fuel line not bad when colder as well. Cheers Steve from Aus.
Thanks Steve
Can you post the link so I can get this kit pls
Paul: I've been doing that for years I also mix the butane with propane a 1 to 3 mix and it works great.
You mean a butane to propane of 3:1 ratio (B:P).
Thanks Paul. I bought a mini Camping Moon lantern with a mini canister that I need to fill. Watching it being done is very helpful.
After doing it once you feel very confident with it.
Sorry for my question, maybe stupid, but, is it really dangerous to refill a gas bottle/canister from an other, WITHOUT balance. Because you can not have more presure than the new bottle on the top !? An it's the same logic if you refil a cheap plastic lighter ?! Thank's ✌️
I have had no issues with refilling the cans.
@@PaulBissekerBushcraft without scale ?
Yes without a scale. I put enough gas in to use. I never fill it.
@@PaulBissekerBushcraft Thank’s from France ✌️
Just a heads up. Go outdoors are doing the propane/iso mix canisters 8x£10 at the moment.
Thanks
www.gooutdoors.co.uk/19500062/eurohike-4-pack-all-season-gas-227g-19500062
Great video, Paul. I use that longer cans for a single burner stove and when I find my trangia will use this method. saved...
I also have a table top gas stove that takes the big cans.
Nice hack gadget Paul, i got one couple of years ago that has small flex pipe, two fittings with taps to transfer gas but this one is lot less of a faff. I also got the one you did video that can transfer gas from butane lighter can . Tend to use alcohol in my trangia 27 but gas is godsend if weathers is very windy. Cheers Paul for the info, might buy one. 👍
Thanks for watching
hi paul, nice bit of kit thanks.
great vids, keep them coming.
kind regards.
It was very annoying that I had to buy the temperature gauge plus metal pan insert so I don’t burn anything which should be with it when you buy it.i say again thank you for a great idea
Thanks Paul, its from a full aerosol butane can as you demonstrated to an empty kovea canister.
Thanks Paul 👍
Useful tip. Thank you!
Have you ever had a cold burn?
Interesting video, I may even try that out for myself. I grudged the cost of a small canister, the large one made more sense but it's awkward to pack away into the Jetboil.
I have a Fire Maple " Copy of the JetBoil" so i have to get the cans that nest into it. I refill until they start getting a bit rusty.
Good to see you putting the videos up again Paul
Will we see you in the woods with the dd xl again or has your outdoor pursuit taken you on a different road.
Keep em coming Paul.
Thanks, i still hammock! The weather is so awful this year. You will see it again.
Nice Paul I brought the last one you demoed a while back but this one looks a much better version
Keep em coming bro 👍🏻🇬🇧
Thank you
Great idea, Paul. I use the adapter with tube on one side to refill my canisters but your system is much better. As always, I always enjoy your informative videos.
Cool, thanks
Very informative Paul, thanks. Just bought it on Ali 👍🏻
Nice one!
Thanks Paul.
Just started doing this Certainly a cash saver! Can you empy the top home bargains can or does it get to a point where no more gas transfers but there's still some gas left in the can?
Yes you wont get it all out
If you put the can to be filled in the freezer for 30 min and the donor can in warm water, you can get most out. Might need to repeat this a couple of times if you want to squeeze out as much as possible. I just refilled mine from a 227g net weight bottle, and there was ~17g left at the end. (Emptied the bottle fully to check). So that's only ~8% wasted. If you don't want to muck about getting every last drop out, then you'll easily get 75% or more out of the bottle. Don't forget it's also in liquid form inside the can due to the pressure, so it's not just a question of balancing gas pressure -- you're literally pouring some of the liquid across too, provided you keep the donor on top. The main thing to do is always use similar gas mixes. If you refilled a butane bottle with a pure propane, for example, you'd be putting the bottle under massively more pressure for the same weight of contents, and risk exceeding the design pressure of the bottle you're filling. That can lead to catastrophic results. (boom!)
how many times can you refill a canister?
until it starts rusting. Give it a good visual examination each time you use it.
Good vid Paul. Nice looking shirt i like that.
Thanks
4 of these at my local home bargains are £6
That's weird. I have been to 3 different shops and they are £4.49 for a pack of 4
cheers for sharing mate good advice
No worries
When you say its a Mix, what is the Ratio.
mostly 70% butane and 30 % propane
Hi Paul,
I live in Malaysia, and its very humid here.
So here's one question.
Does one need to freeze either donor or receiving tank prior to the transfer, or can one just transfer the gas without the freezing process?
Please note that I plan to do this on the field where freezing either cans could not be done.
Anticipating your reply. Thank you.
if you can make the gas that you want to transfer colder than the receiving tank it would make it easier. If that isn't possible,. You would get more from a full can to an empty can at the same temperature than two half full cans. Don't expect to empty a full can on transfer. You can get an adapter for the can you want to transfer from, if you are going to have it with you out in the field then you don't need to transfer.
❤@@PaulBissekerBushcraft
@@PaulBissekerBushcraft❤
Humidity has nothing to do with it! It's well for the receiving tank to be cold, so that the Butane tends to condense and lowers the pressure in the receiver, just makes everything easier. That silver adapter with the valve sometimes also has a little button on it that VENTS the lower tank head space, and allows more liquid to flow. It's well to do this job outside. Also (I just did this today) you can help things along by putting some heat (I used hot water from the kettle) in the base of the upper bottle, it makes a little cup. That makes an increase in the pressure in the upper tank and moves some more liquid. You can hear it moving!
Nice work Paul 👌🏽
Thanks 👍
Thanks well explained
Glad it was helpful!
All it does is equalise the pressure. The empty can taking content from the pressured can.
Divers do this all the time, may be betted if they had a pressure gauge with it.
Should be okay if you are careful.
Don't forget that most of the contents are actually in liquid form due to the pressure, not gas. You're transferring liquid when the donor can is on top, so it's not just a question of a 50% transfer of gas. If you're careful with your fill percentages and temperature differentials you can get 90%+ out of your donor cans. You're right about the pressure gauges -- as this method is going only by mass, It's important to only refill with similar mixes, so you don't exceed the design pressure of the container you're filling. e.g. NEVER fill a butane or butane-mix bottle with pure propane -- it's MUCH higher pressure for the same mass and temperature.
Very useful.Thank you. I just bought a big 13kg propane cylinder £48. I also bought a 2.7kg Camping Gas cylinder for the extortionate sum of £45 for my CG two burner stove. Camping Gaz is a rip-off! I already had empty cylinders for both so no extra out lay for these or to enter into service contracts. I have a propane regulator and when the CG is done I plan to run my two burner stove from the propane cylinder.
The heavy blue camping gas are ok with propane, but do not refill the small canister with propane , Propane has a higher much higher pressure than butane. most of the canisters from the store have a 70% Butane and only 30% propane.
@@drkmaes Thanks for your reply. I do realise this. Butane regulators are set lower at approx 28-30 mbar where as propane regulators at around 37 mbar. I do not plan to refill any smaller cans with propane just run the cooker off the 13kg bottle with appropriate regulator. I do have some empty butane bottles as well which I might get exchanged for full ones which I could also use.
@@alexmorgan3435 The pressures you mention are the working pressure however most gas burners for camping ,use the pressure from the canister, no regulator in between. The pressure in the canister is dependent on the temperature of tank
propane has a pressure of 129 psi @ a temperature of 27 C Butane 23 psi @ 27 C
propane has a pressure of 197 psi @ a temperature of 43 C Butane 47 psi @ 43 C
The small canisters have been engineered to withstand the pressures of the Gas mix of 70% butane and 30% propane, but the higher pressures from propane would give a problem. Your blue camping gas tank should have no problem with the propane.
You can refill the camping gas tanks yourself, all the adapters for that are on the market.