This WEIRD anime debate just went viral... (Haikyuu vs Blue Lock)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- 🏐⚽ I posted a poll recently which got a lot... of comments. A LOT.
🏐⚽ We''ll dive into the worlds of Haikyuu!! and Blue Lock to compare two incredible athletes: Hinata Shoyo and Isagi Yoichi. In this unique TH-cam video, we'll explore the contrasting styles and skills of these two rising stars in their respective sports - volleyball and soccer.
🏐 Hinata Shoyo, the pint-sized powerhouse from Karasuno High, is known for his lightning-fast reflexes and incredible jumping abilities on the volleyball court. We'll break down his signature moves, unstoppable attacks, and his journey from being an aspiring novice to a true volleyball hero.
⚽ On the other side of the field, we have Isagi Yoichi, the rising soccer sensation from Blue Lock. His impeccable strategic mindset has captivated fans worldwide. We'll take a closer look at Isagi's journey to becoming the ultimate volleyball plater and leader on the pitch.
🏐⚽ Throughout the video, we'll compare and contrast these two phenomenal athletes, highlighting their similarities, differences, and the lessons we can learn from their dedication and determination. Who do you think would excel if they swapped sports for a day? What about a decade?
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Left out Isagi's greatest strength which is adaptability. The potential is limitless for this in a game like volleyball where adapting quickly is probably even more crucial than football. Also definitely think your vastly underestimating Isagi's physique, especially later on, but I get that since Haikyuu manga is done and specifically the anime is way further in than Blue Lock, the prediction can't be accurate.
considering the 28 chapter game just finished, that'd be a great point to compare against the anime.
The adaptability was a result in idolizing and constantly learning about soccer from a young age. It’d likely have a much weaker effect on a game that is fundamentally completely differently, Volleyball is a significantly harder sport to pick up than football and it can seriously affect Isagi’s ability to use his weapon (spacial awareness) since without proper technique, everything Isagi does is at risk of being done poorly and ends up losing a point. Volleyball is more about the slow implementation of consistent and powerful strategies, while Football is more about making use of position and spotting weaknesses in the opponents defence to break through and score a goal, Soccer requires much more on-the-spot thinking while Volleyball (outside of the setter position) is more about playing consistently so as to not make possibly critical point losing mistakes
@@oofink467 Well, I'*d be honestly curious about that one. I know that in esports that very different for example, strictly talking about game sense. People who have a lot of game sense in one MOBA for example don't just manage to transfer that very well to other MOBAs, but they also tend to pick up pretty hiigh game sense reltively quickly too once they pick up for example an RTS game. The transition from great Starcraft players to great League of Legends or DotA 2 coaches/analysts shows that pretty well in my opinion (and likely there are others I don't know about at all).
The example of MOBAS is a bit off, its more like comparing CSGO and Sands of time (MCC). One is a tactical shooter that has a low barrier to entry, but the skill ceiling can be stretched according to experience, while the other is a cooperative minecraft minigame focused on teamwork that is placed on a clock that also requires lots of experience and on the spot thinking. Obviously the basics involving reaction speed and whatnot carry over, but entirely different skillsets are used.
Volleyball is wildly different from Football after all.
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@@LucRio448 Agreed. A prime example would be how easily Team Fortress 2 pros became good at Overwatch when it first launched. This is due in part that TF2 is arguably the most similar game to Overwatch (besides Paladins). This led to many TF2 pros being able to go pro in Overwatch as well. But, it is also clear that pros from other games were also able to flourish in Overwatch, such as even a Minecraft Pro player (Danteh). Game sense and raw aim mechanics definitely can transfer from FPS to FPS game no matter how fundamentally different the games are. I'd like to think that this applies somewhat to sports as well.
Everyone is kinda forgetting that hinata was only inconsistent in the beginning bc his middle school team was nonexistent so he didnt come into karasuno with the years of good practice everyone else did. He went from not being able to pass to perfectly reading and passing the spike of one of the best hitters in the country in under a year. If he gets one or two years playing football, his skills will develop immensely. Also he already has some foundational abilities for football, he was playing it with his friends until he found volleyball.
Isagi has been playing football basically his whole life, so has that practice, but also got to be in a training camp where it was “be the best or have your whole career ended.” That’s what made him improve so fast. If he wasn’t in that environment, which he wasn’t for most of his career, he would’ve stayed an average player, so the same would be said for volleyball. His spacial awareness and game sense would still be great bc obvs hes taken out of blue lock in this scenario, but unless he really cares about his new volleyball career and is under constant threat of it ending, he’s not gonna see the same kind of improvements as he did in Blue Lock.
TL;DR - Give them the same time and conditions under which their new careers exist (including their love for their games and any threats to their careers), and Hinata will likely improve about as fast and be just as skilled as Isagi but with better physical attributes
what are you smoking? isagi's team was ass too, he's never even met any actual op football players until he went to blue lock and saw the top of his own age and class
This whould have been true if there wasn't a isagi blue lock novel. Where it said his highschool team coach limited his growth and sealed his ego. Isagi hade insane potienal from the when he was kid seeing shit normal people couldn't see or sense. Like knowing it's gonna rain, with that ability he was dominating early on and was using his teammates like rin does way before. But beacuse of his highschool coach having the one for all all for one mentality. He stunned his growth as a player. So yeah he hade some limitations early on like hinata beacuse of his environment.
@@abdullahinasrudin2086k, but man played soccer most of his life, so he can read people and just knows the game. Hinata was interested is volleyball in middle school, for three years didn’t get the chance to play volleyball seriously.Then with only two year of actually playing volleyball started putting his team on his back with kagayama.
so isagi become what he is rn because the training camp? literally every pro footballer has been in the academy with the same intense training, then with what you said, every footballer without academy training they would've been average, and i think you're right, thats just showed how hard football is.
@@angga442 i dont think every academy’s goal is to create one player who is the #1 striker in the world, and i know they kick players out but i dont think they only give the best players nice food and beds to create an utterly manic sense of desperation to stay and be better.
Realistically we would be looking at who would do better at an amateur level, as the skill difference between amateur and professional clubs in both sports is so vast. Drawing from experience its more achievable for hinata to be a standout player on a football team than it would be for isagi to be a standout player on a volleyball team. I could explain my view if you want me to but ill save that for now.
I'd argue that Kageyama has similar mental abilities to Isagi, he just doesn't monologue about it every other pass. He passes the ball perfectly by predicting where and when it would be hit and he keeps track of his entire team perfectly, allowing for an attack with 4 fakes we've seen in the show.
I havent watched Haikyuu so maybe Im just blabbering here but in one of the blue lock spin offs, it is said that when isagi was a child, he was a crybaby, crying when he notices a mosquito that no average human would notice normally, crying when he senses rain before it even happens. Though that doesnt really show the whole part of his mental ability, also note that while he outsmarts most of everyone else in blue lock, everyone in blue lock are 300 of the best high school players in Japan, they arent just random fodder to show that he is better.
@@bartiii7617 considering there is only 1 attacker per an eleven-man team, 300 is still a pretty big number. I don't remember what kind of tournament they're in at season 4 but he's bound to be one of the top 10 or 20 spikers in the country, even if we haven't met all of them. As for the childhood story, that's blue lock being blue lock. They hype up mundane realizations like thinking about your teammate's moevements, tell bearly plausable stories to make characters look cool, or repeat the word "egoist" 300 times because "american words = cool". The reason kageyama doesn't have that kind of story isn't necessarily because his perception is worse, but because haikyuu's main target audience is teenage boys, instead of edgy teenage boys.
@@myname7937 top 10 or 20 in the country? I know its supposed to be anime only but spoiler alert, isagi is now on par with world class u20 players, and a while back, they defeated japans u20 team
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later hes playing with the world 12 equally and the top teams
thats highly unlikely. Isagi's mental abilities is half the reason people criticise blue lock for being so unrealistic, because it is beyond superhuman. Kageyama keeping track of his team perfectly doesn't compare to how Isagi is able to to foresee, predict and visualise an entire football field of high tier players. Think about how a world class chess player has to see into the future to predict all the possible moves their opponent could play and what moves are good or bad. Imagine that instead of pieces that can only move a certain way, controlled by a single person, Isagi foresees the movements of 21 players who are all actively trying to take the ball off him and steal their own goal, each with their own mind and abilities and the freedom to move anywhere. Even as early as in the anime, Isagi is able to do all this while executing high speed plays. It is incomparable to kageyama, even before metavision
I feel like Volleyball is a way less forgiving sport than soccer. If you don't know the proper form you lose the point, plain and simple. I feel like Hinata would have a very similar strategy to Chigiri, "kick and run." Theres no technique just a pure flex of physicality and speed. Hinata would definitly lose the ball more than Chigiri would in those scenarios, but I feel like he'd be more beneficial to the team and Isagi would be to kurosuno.
I actually think it's the opposite. In volleyball, you do lose a point after a mistake, but the other team still has to score 25 points to win a set. That's not even the game, "only" a set. You can screw up pretty badly 25 times, and it's still kinda ok, because the score is 0-0 again. You can literally win a volleyball match after scoring less points than your oponent. In football however, losing a ball can lead to a break, or even worse depending on your position. A lot of these won't lead to a goal, but when you do get scored on, it's MUCH harder to come back since every goal has MUCH more value than a volleyball point, sometimes even more than a volleyball set.
1 point can change the momentum + i play football at a semi-high level in a competitive. I played volleyball for a bit and its way more pysicially demanding.@@vaclavbastl500
But there is technique to running fast if you kick the ball far ahead of the pitch when there’s someone like Ron on the pitch he’s just gonna position himself to intercept it
Football may seem forgiving but if you don’t don’t know how to mark, defend , shoot or even pass you’ve probably gone 3 nil down and unlike volleyball it’s very hard to score so many points in a matter of minutes especially when your the underdog
then again, volleyball is all about momentum. if the opposing team gaps you even a single point, especially after a long rally, this can not only throw your team energy off, but now you have to get more points. Also, just because the score becomes 0-0 again doesn't mean that the team isn't jarred from losing it. Most sets against evently matched teams are in the 20s, which means over 40 jumps over and over, just to lose. Overall, volleyball is a big mental game, and especially with the whole idea of blue lock being the players should have egos, the team aspect may get thrown off. @@vaclavbastl500
You forgot about tips/setter dumps for early on. isagi would be able to master those pretty quickly and they're devastating for the opposing team when done right
Isagi would essentially be Kenma with better physical attributes but worse technique. If he catches up in technique, he'd be Kageyama.
Hinata could probably start soccer just like volleyball, as he had all the physical with none of the technique. If he gets Rin (or another really good player) to feed him pinpoint crosses into the box, Hinata can score (just like the OG quick attack)
*Edit* Lol, I wrote this before watching the video. I just agree with what he said
Seyter dumps are out of the question cuz they predictable if you do them more than once on a match and tips too,and they are susceptible both to being received easily and either way he needs jump more than usual
The problem is that if you can't set well there's no point in setter dumps (that's all you can do)
Bro I really doubt he’ll catch up to kageyama, it’s takes so many years just to be consistent in volleyball and not to mention that kageyama isn’t just your average player.
@@VolleyballClipper IRL, yeah of course he wouldn't catch up to Kageyama.
In anime where high school kids play with more skill than professionals, he would because he's the protagonist
As someone who plays both soccer and volleyball, I would like to share my thoughts on this
First about me. I am 19 years old and 173cm(5'7) tall, my height is 308cm(10'1).
I have been playing soccer for 11 years, mainly as a central midfielder and right back. Both positions that rely heavily on overview, decision making, foresight and "adaptability".
I have been playing volleyball for 5 years. I am mainly a setter, but I also help out as a libero from time to time.
I play both sports at national league level, so I like to think that I do know what Im talking about
I think Isagi would go down completely.
Volleyball is a very physical sport. If you're not tall enough or don't jump high enough, you lose. You're a weak point on defense because you can't block properly, and you can't compete with the block on offense because the block is simply too high. Isagi's strengths of overview, foresight and spatial thinking are also simply not that important in volleyball. Yes, the court is smaller and you can always keep an eye on all the players, but the open spaces that exist on a soccer court don't exist in the same way. They are much smaller and can be closed much more quickly. The better the block and the backrow are coordinated, the less his skills can be used offensively. Defensively, he could definitely give pointers to teammates, but normally you don't have enough time for that. The only position that comes into question for Isagi is libero. He is too small for everything else or doesn't jump high enough. Libero would still not be a good position for him. He's not nearly fast and agile enough to be really good; to be worth more than another player. Good liberos need both good vision and agility. One of the two is not enough. By and large, he would be a permanent weak point without really having the opportunity to get better quickly as increasing your vertical jump takes alot of time. If Isagi could jump higher, he could be a setter, which would definitely be better. His skills fit the position much better, even if there would still be a lot of technique missing. Still I dont think his abilities would be utilizied anything near as much as in football. The most important part about Isagis abilities is not processing the players and where they are but much more importantly where they are not. Spotting and utilizing open rooms is the most valuable part about spatial awareness. I already stated that open rooms like that do not exist in that way in volleyball, which weakens his abilities drastically. So even if he was a setter with an atleast slightly below average vertical jump, he would be missing a lot of technique and his abilities from football are not really all that useful in volleyball. Also nearly every setter has top notch vision, decision making, prediction and deception abilities. He would not be that much better if better at all
About Hinata. I don't think he'd be particularly good to start with, but the potential is much better; at least he wouldn't be a permanent weak point. With his stamina and speed, right-back or left-back is a good position. Depending on the system of play, full-backs can be played in a very offensive and therefore running-intensive way, which emphasizes his strengths. The obvious problem is the lack of technique and feel for the ball. However, this can be learned much faster than vertical jumps can be improved. Once the basic technique has been learned, Hinata would definitely be an acceptable player. His only problem would be that he is weak. That's not positive, but it's definitely not a dealbreaker either. He would have to acquire an overview, but that is easy to do with analyses of previous games. His overview and anticipation would never be as good as Isagis, but good enough to be a valuable player and a threat.
In general, I just think volleyball penalizes it a lot more when you're not as athletic as your opponent, which is a huge problem for Isagi. Both at the beginning and later down the road after 3 to 4 years. The barrier to entry is just much higher and much more physical/genetics-driven in Volleyball compared to football.
Something you didn't mention that I considered is how each sport is mostly played. Soccer skills are based on using your feet and volleyball skills are based on using your hands/arms. From my own personal experience, I find it easier to master something with my hands rather than my feet.
Also, just because Hinata has an obvious advantage in physical stats of running, stamina, and jumping won't matter if he can't master control of a soccer ball with his feet to make passes or combination plays. Hinata struggled significantly early in the story just practicing receives and passes in volleyball. I can only imagine how much he would struggle attempting the same when it came to soccer.
I think it's gonna be at the first couple games 2 or 3
Hinata doesn't learn slow ya know
its not the same.... if you were comparing it to basketball the logic would follow, but in volleyball, the difficulty lies in the fact that each interaction with the ball lasts a split second. Receives, spikes, passes, blocks, you rarely have control over how fast the ball is headed in your direction, and when it does you need to control that split second in order to have your desired effect on the game. Its a completely different skillset from soccer.
It really depends on how naturally hinata can pick up soccer. Hinata's intuition and instinct is super strong, so if he happens to pick up soccer way easier than he did volleyball he would be a beast instantly. Chances are he might, cause he had a friend in middle school who he helped in his soccer practice. He wouldnt be starting completely from scratch.
But... yeah, I still don't know the answer to the poll . I can see both sides
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yep, Hinata has helped his friends in other sport teams so it wouldn't be hard for him to catch up in those sports.
Volleyball is difficult because even you use hand, you're not allowed to hold the ball like in basketball nor stop the ball like in soccer.
Even over pass technique sometimes caught by referee as "holding" the ball if you do it wrong.
He struggled because unlike others he only practiced volleyball by himself and some girl who doesn't even hit half as hard as the volleyball players he faces in later on in the series and after playing with them 3-5 months he was able receive spikes like nothing not to mention time skip hinata you should remember it was the opposite for isagi he received actual training from football coachs in his high school and middle school so I don't think it's fair to say hinata would take a lot of time to receive his passes and study football and isagi will be ok
@@fares-ku3fc he will be like speed yall are stupid
I'm only 7 minutes in so maybe you get there, but when talking about Isagi vs. Hinata physically one thing you didn't mention. Isagi's stats are compared against 300 top striker prospects from across Japan that Ego hand selected to be able to become the #1 Striker in the World. Hinata is compared to a random Japanese Highschool Volleyball Team, one that had not even made it to Nationals in a while (outside of jumping, which I mean, he can basically fly :D)
Isagi is competing directly against people who are good enough they can probably solo carry their team to Nationals (like Rin.)
You also missed on Isagi's strongest weapon: Genius of Adaptability. He can remake himself moment to moment and game to game. If jumping power is a problem, he will work on it. In the span of 3 games he went from being blown away by Rin completely, to competing evenly with Rin for an entire match.
Not saying that changes the outcomes you're talking about (especially on Day 1) but it is stuff I'm not sure you considered that can be very important.
I do come back to the second half of that haha. And yeah tbf maybe I should have given Isagi a little more credit for his physical stats, but there's definitely no way his jumping power compares to most volleyball players and it's not something he can drastically improve in a few games
@@LessonsFromAnime that makes no sense, you can improve your physical ability by working on it. And there's so many ways to become good at playing volleyball.
Bro Hinata is playing at a national level not just some random Japanese highschool. And the players ego picked are all highschoolers and college level at the most
Of course you can, and he definitely will, but it'll take time, he's still going to have a weak jump in his early days
@@imXenoidHinata does get to the national level. And his jumping power is good there. But most of his feats/growth are in qualifying. Japan has *thousands* of high schools. And of those *thousands* of high schools and *thousands* of football teams, 300 people were hand picked for their potential to develop into the best striker in the world. Literally *everyone* in Blue Lock is Elite. The anime starts with Isagi outplaying like 3 people, then failing not because of his own skill but because he passes to a teammate who can't finish the play.
You said Hinata is on the national level. At the end of the Blue Lock anime they're getting ready to play the U20 Japanese National team after having a 5 on 5 with elite pro players. That's a level above nationals. Especially when you consider that football is a bigger sport in Japan than Volleyball.
If I had to predict, I would say Isagis main ways of scoring would be his incredible sets, and he would probably make an insanely annoying blocker. His brain is a huge weapon in blocking, even if his size doesn’t match.
his blocks would only really be devastating if he trains his vertical. where his vertical is now the attacks of the opposing side would blast right of his fingers. but yea he would be a really good blocker and setter.
people spiking over him like kenma tho
@@norman24 shure, his height and jumping power are gonna be hard to make up for, but I don’t think that Isagi could be held back by this very long. Jumping power is not the only thing you need to block well. I imagine Isagi to be more like a soft blocker who doesn’t shut down every ball but at least has a few fingers touching everyone.
Honestly the "not using the manga" thing doesn't make sense because Haikyuu still has 4 seasons of anime relative to blue locks one season... also I think Isagi would benefit from including the Manga since his improvements are unbelievable, developing his brain at a crazy rate and showing that he's capable of learning various difficult skills. Not to mention he's improved his body enough to be able to keep up with and surpass almost all the best U-20 players in the world - he was even able to use his abilities to briefly surpass Chris Prince - an impressive feat even with Noa's help considering that Chris Prince is literally the second best player in the world and Isagi was a nobody just a few months prior.
Well Haikyuu had a timeskip, even with the amount Isagi's developed in the manga so far with Hinata's state at the end of the manga I still think both outcomes are the same
@@LessonsFromAnime yeah but just exclude the time skip and I feel like the results would be more fair
@@channelname9468 But then we would set the limit of how much the characters are allowed to grow by ourselves, which isn't really a fair thing to do, since they both have their very own journey and speed of growth. It's simply not possible to say character X is allowed to grow this much, and character B this much.
Fact is, if you look at manga Hinata, he is a world level player that has mastered what it means to be an athlete. Dedication, passion, training, perseverance, etc. You name it and he got it. I"m not saying Isagi will never get there, but that's the problem with this whole debate. They had different journeys and are at different times of their career.
Huh? I mean I understand what you're trying to say but it still makes no sense. What I said would be more fair than what is shown in the video no? And Hinata would have still had way more experience in the Haikyuu manga than Blue Lock even if we excluded the timeskip because it's still essentially a finished story with way more content. I don't know why you're implying that would be unfair for Hinata. I'm not saying it's the ideal format since there is no ideal format, as one manga is finished and the other is ongoing, but it is a better format than what is presented in the video. 1 anime season vs 4 anime seasons? Isagi had barely started developing in the anime whilst Hinata has already experienced significant levels of development. Also Isagi also already has all those things you listed out fully mastered in the manga... I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to argue. If they're going to be compared, this is the most ideal way to compare them in my opinion @@ChIMeRaTeX 🤷♂
This is a fair point, that hadn't really occurred to me. It would have excluded a huge number of people from watching tho as they would need to have read both mangas so truthfully idk if I would have done that regardless
NEL Isagi is definitely a huge improvement, I don't think metavision actually makes a difference as his spatial awareness is already enough, but the increased physical attributes are definitely noteworthy.
Unsure if it would change my answers tbh, as I don't think Isagi worked on his vertical jump at all, but it would certainly make the first part very very close
As a person who played football semi-competitively at middle school (and just for fun since then), played volleyball semi-competitively at high school and university, and seriously competed in skiing until the university, I can say with confidence that great physique works wonders in both of these sports. High top speed usually correlates with high jump (and vice versa), so if you have good numbers in one, you're likely to be good in the other. Stamina is more important in football, because you have to run more in general, and there are way less pauses during the game. Technique is much more important in volleyball, since you're only allowed to contact the ball in split second, giving you no time to correct yourself, whereas in football if you have some distance from your opponent, you can set up yourself for a better shot/pass/etc with several touches.
With that said, I think Hinata will have way easier time playing football than Isagi playing volleyball. It's gonna take at least a year or two for Isagi to get his technique right, and even more time to develop his jump, because the jump increases slow af compared to muscle memory. Hinata on the other side would be able to crush beginners and intermediates (once he figures out basic technique skills) by simply being faster, however, it may take him a while to increase his technique and power in his shots to catch up to advanced level of football e.g. leagues. I doubt he will ever be good at dribbling with his sloppiness, but it will naturally develop to a certain level as long as he keeps progressing, so it's gonna be fine anyway.
i'd say in a who would do better on the first day playing it would be hinata at football easily but on the long run i'd say Isagi, the high ceilling of football is borderline impossible to break through if ur not a legit genius at the sport, mostly due to the higher number of people trying to access it compared to volleyball
Hes forgetting the fact that isagis physicality and skill is at a pro level hinatas is at a high school level so it would be more natural for isagi and not to mention isagi has unexplainable feats of speed and also comparing animes is worse than mangas cause you have hinata at world level by the end of haikyu when hes 20 someone but also isagi is at almost world level as a 17 year old in current manga
Definitely agree I could have given Isagi a bit more credit on his physical stats, somehow the bit about Blue Lock having a generally higher standard didn't enter my mind. I don't think the skill part is too relevant though, the sports are so different that once they swap they'll both basically be starting from 0
You can also argue that football is harder then volleyball
No Isagi is not pro level. No one in blue lock are pro level, excluding the coaches on the ego league for people caught up with the manga. The characters in blue lock are highschoolers at most the are college level. Definitely not pro
@ESCA92 in terms of technical skill yeah in terms of mental skill no
Isagi's feats of speed were simply running efficiently. He's not necessarily "fast." Maybe a bit, but not by means like Shidou or, obviously Chigiri. We see it in the 3rd selection and during the first selection against Team V. He finds the space he can score from, and runs to it, getting into "flow" and blah blah blah. He gets to the spaces first because he knows the spaces before most, if not all other players. He is still physically great, but nothing godlike.
Blue Lock also makes people light speed, so ._.
Its wild that 90% of the comments dont know anything about volleyball but assume its easy
No one saidbit easy just isagi would be better at it than hinata at football.. its comparison of the players not the sport
I agree with most of your arguments but there's something you're overlooking. Football athletes have to run for 90min in a much larger area than volleyball players which mostly don't move at all since the court size is very small compared to a football pitch. So even if Isagi isn't as physically talented compared to the other blue lock athletes, compared to volleyball athletes he still should be at Hinata's level or even above him. And Hinata, on the other side, could struggle quite a bit because he isn't used to the pace of a football game, which is more physically demanding and taking into account that he doesn't really plan ahead, he might go too hard at the start of the match and burn out very quickly
Often times Volleyball can be just as, if not more taxing than football due to the fact that you are under constant mental stress from keeping the ball from hitting the ground and also the amount of times you may need to preform jumps to block and preform spikes, And while there are very taxing positions in football (especially near the middle) not all players have to put in 100% at all time in order to preform their gameplan. Volleyball has the element of “if i make a tiny mistake, this incredibly high speed volleyball that has been spiked can bounce poorly and lose me a point”. Volleyball Matches can also last up to 90 minutes as well however they usually give the players a few breaks just like in Football, Isagi would not have the physical skillset needed to play volleyball since he, A. does not have the jump height, B. Is forced to rely on predictions to compensate on his terrible reaction speed, and C. He doesnt train his arms nearly enough to be able to recieve, block, or spike for a whole match. Remember, Isagi focused his whole life on football with no knowledge of even the basic rules of volleyball. while hinata has ACTUALLY played soccer before (albiet to convince his friends to play volleyball)
I Will write shorter answer so u dont have to read all that up there. Volleyball is taxing more for legs, its not like u are constantly running but, its Like u need to lower yourself every time to be ready for recieve. It takes huge tax on your legs and stamina. Jumping as well. It hits like train. And believe it or not I am playing both sports and I kinda know how it affects my body.
In football depending on your position you may run for 5min spread through 90min or jog and run for 30min spread through 90min. Volleyball you might jump every other opponent Spike or any set on your team
@@MauMight yeah I agreee
thats true but volleyball players normaly play over 2 hours plus they waist a lot of stamina with jumping running etc
As a person who played 5 years football and currently in my 6th year of volleyball, I can confidently say that isagi will be dogwater even though he adapts quickly, because volleyball is a really complex sport. Volleyball isn't really a predicting game, even if he knows where the ball will go saving it will be really hard. Hinata takes the W
Yeah, there is no point in having amazing game awareness and make split second decisions If your technique cant keep up.
not only technique but also his phisique he will be rlly behind @@MauMight
I think you're the first person with experience in both sports to comment so very interesting to see this!
Idk abt that since I’m the short term isagi would be much better as if somebody never played football and volleyball they would be able to learn the basics of volleyball much easier so isagi would be better in short term and prolly long term aswell since Hinata struggles with technical plays and athleticism isn’t that important in football especially at hinatas very short height
@@user-zr9rk7yb9h bro in volleyball you don't just "learn the basics" in haikyuu every player has been playing for years because it takes years to be able to play properly. In the vid isagi would be theoretically a setter, but a setter should be the one with the best setting in the whole team and setting is really hard cause it's really technical and takes years or decades to perfect. Every single setter in haikyuu has been playing for many years and the newbie in date tech sucks ass and irl no one would actually play as a setter in their first year due to the amount of doubles they'd make. I'm not even gonna consider isagi as a hitter because That also takes years to time and even if he learns it in one year the actual ability to control his spike is another thing. Football is loved around the world because anyone can play it and ik hinata would be kinda bad but isagi would be much worse, he'd be useless for years.
There's a few other things we need to take into consideration as well when it comes to this poll.
Popularity and relevance.
Haikyuu is a very popular sports anime and has released multiple seasons already.
However, that's the issue. Haikyuu is a popular sports anime, while Blue Lock escaped the sports anime sphere due to the insanity of the concept and characters, attracting a wider scale audience by leaking into the battle shounen sphere as well. Along with that, football is significantly more popular than volleyball as a sport and thus a football anime that's getting a lot of hype versus a volleyball anime that has a lot of hype is gonna get a lot more people to watch it.
In terms of relevance, Haikyuu's first season came out in April 2014 and ended September 2014. The newest season, Haikyuu!! To the Top part 2, came out in October 2020 and ended December 2020.
Meanwhile, Blue Lock's first season started in October 2022 and ended March 2023.
That means that Blue Lock is more relevant to the algorithm and since there's just one season that came out recently, more known in the pandemic weeb wave that happened in the past three years.
With these things combined, we end up in an odd situation that definitely had an affect on the votes.
Blue Lock is just more relevant and popular than Haikyuu in a main stream anime watcher sense.
If this poll was conducted purely with sports anime fans with a guarantee that the voters have watched both series, I think the vote would be a lot closer. However, I don't know if the end result would change.
However, due to the difference in the nature of the fan bases, with Haikyuu having a lot sports anime fans and some amount of mainstream fans and Blue Lock having a lot of sports anime fans and a shit ton of mainstream fans, I think that the poll is quite a bit in Blue Lock's favor as lots of Blue Lock fans have simply not watched Haikyuu, while I think more Haikyuu fans have watched Blue Lock.
This means that a lot of the Blue Lock fans just vote for Isagi because they know the character and know very little/nothing about Hinata, while a lot of the Haikyuu fans are making informed decisions, some picking Isagi and some picking Hinata, which imo lead to this 22-78 split.
Now if this was as I said conducted with sports anime fans who have guaranteed to watch both anime, would the result change? Probably not.
However, I think it would be a lot closer. Something along the lines of 40-60 in favor of Isagi.
Also, based on anime only Isagi would win and I agree with that. However, when we go to the realm of manga, Hinata shows significant improvement in his weaknesses, though definitely over a longer time. This means that in the long term it's a actually a pretty equal comparison between Hinata and Isagi which I'll show next using the official player stats given to us by the Haikyuu manga.
(Minor Haikyuu Manga Spoilers)
Hinata's stats:
High School to Post-Timeskip
Power: 1/5 -> 3/5
Jumping: 5/5 (remains same)
Stamina: 5/5 (remains same)
Game Sense: 1/5 -> 4/5
Technique: 1/5 -> 5/5
Speed: 5/5 (remains same)
As you can see, in the long term Hinata ends up with decent power, good game sense and amazing technique. Considering that these attributes start at 1/5, I believe that in the long term Hinata could see similar results in football, as his game sense and technique in that sport also definitely start at 1/5.
However, this is manga stuff and for the sake of an anime only argument doesn't have much relevance. I just wanted show what kind of improvement Hinata actually made in his own sport, so that you can take that information and think about how it would affect your opinion on the matter.
Make them train with Ippo for 6 months then box each other
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Hinata would be an insane swarmer boxer with his speed. He'd have to work hard on technique and strength training though. However, Hinata would not slow down at all. Hinata has insane levels of stamina and could go full speed the whole fight.
Isagi would probably be a counter punching outboxer like Miyata, but also have some unorthodox tricks up his sleeve. I think he'd also fuck with your rhythm using clinches like Kobashi.
I think this match, if they're both in the same weight class, goes to Hinata.
Hinata is a force of nature and if he puts on enough muscle to be at the same weight class as a fight conditioned Isagi, his speed, power and endless stamina would beat Isagi.
However, if they just both train the same amount of time and do the same amount of strength training and conditioning without getting into the same weight class, Isagi has got it.
Isagi is 12 cm taller than Hinata at the start of the show and has a lot more muscle mass than Hinata does. The height and weight difference along with counters and unorthodox tricks would be too much for Hinata to overcome
To be fair, Blue Lock is going in the direct of Kuroko no Basket with it's power-levels....
Not completely there yet, but in a spectrum it's like:
Haikyu = highsshoolers are at pro-level
Blue lock = "weapons" are basically superpowers, and the top players are superhumans
Kuroko = highschooler mfs have superpowers.
77% for Isagi is actually WILD lmao. As someone that played both sports for a while I thought people would pick the obvious choice that is Hinata but I guess the anime community doesn't have that many athletes in the end of the day. And If we're talkin the manga versions of both characters then it isn't even fair, Hinata can probably play football canonically speaking lmao
Blue lock is really popular amongst non-athletes, which is the opposite for haikyuu
Isagi is at the lvl of the best u21 players in the world and hinata struggles with Japan lvl, at a pure athletic lvl isagi is already enough for a pro footballer
A setter who is unusually short, with low physicality and stamina, who can read the game incredibly fast... Yeah, I guess Isagi would be bad, it's not like that's the description of one of the best setters in Haikyuu lol.
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Damn bro shut you up instantly
I think, when talking about Isagi being a setter in the beginning, you need to consider what team he was in. With the physicality you're describing, he would be much more useful if he is on a team like Nekoma who can accomodate their physically lacking setter, giving a ball exactly where he is. Or if he was in a team like Karasuno that is always changing and unstable, then he might need time to not just adapt to the sport, but also to his team.
For Hinata, he seems to learn very slow, but i think he actually learn very fast if he is needed to. He never improve much on his receive because he never only thinking about being the ace, the one who scored the most. When he is forced to be a ball boy, he change his perspective and in the span time of a few months and some very tense game, he is able to perfected his receive and on an ace of the 2nd best team in his level. There is also the case for his jump-serve, set-up, and overall technique, but that is in the manga.
There is also a matter of intensity in their respective story. Blue Lock's story is on a program to make a number 1 Striker in the world, if i remember correctly, they couldn't play anymore if they're eliminated from the program(someone can correct on me, but the point of intensity is still on point) while Haikyuu!! is a high school level.
If you put Hinata on the same facility as Isagi, he would improved faster than when he is in Karasuno. One of Hinata's drive to improve in volley is to stand on the court longer, if that translates to football with the intensity that the facility put on him, he might grow everyday.
I don't know the case for Isagi, so i just go by what you said to make my first point.
Yeah that part about how Isagi only really grew faster because of Blue Lock didn't occur to me, I suppose it comes down to whether when they swap sports Hinata is put into Blue Lock or not.
Would be pretty funny to see him in there among the other characters of Blue Lock haha
im blue lock they couldn't play only for the national team in japan if they were to eliminated, if the European team scouted them and interested he can sign for their team if you play for long in their domestic league, you could potentially get a call for a national team which you were playing on.
@@angga442nope cuz ego took a Gamble with the head of Japan's sporting department (I think that's his role) to make the 1 striker Japan need in order to win. He also said if your kicked from Blue lock your barred from representing Japan ever again
@@nengifiedgamer7576 yeah, but i dont think this is a good prospect tho, imagine that one player that got kicked out and he go big in Europe join one of the big six club from premier league or any other giant club, it will definitely be Japan's loss, fans were definitely gonna be fuming🤣, and also if they're lucky to have European bloods, maybe if they're good enough they might get the chance to play for their respective country from Europe.
@@angga442 He wouldn;t go big in europe if he got kicked out cuz why would anyone or any club want the one that couldn't cut it, that couldn't be the very best.
Why waste time on the one that could've been when the one that is, is right there for the taking.
Say this is a chocolate factory
would you want the brand new, improved flavour or the flavour that couldn't cut it that went through proces of elimination of the producers but inevitably got dropped...... same thing with football clubs at times
Who cares about the number 22nd striker rather than the number 1 striker, thats part of what blue lock is about.
And all of them i would say are solely japanese. If you couldn't be numer1 how owuld you beat the number 1
People seem to forget that isagi had bluelock, which gave him incredibly high level training,
where hinata has the level of training of the average high schooler
without bluelock isagi is nothing as we see in both anime and manga isagi starts at 17 years old with him being one of the worse strikers in the country in his last year of highschool, this shows that with highschool level training isagi is nothing
Where hinata is 15 years old at the start of haikyuu with almost 0 volleyball experience (also isagi had been playing football his whole life and is still that bad with highschool training) and with 1 year of high level highschool training he became a highschool national level player
Also some people say that with manga, isagi is better, this is coming from people who obviously haven't read haikyuus manga
Hinata went from age 15 with no volleyball experience to 6 years later (age 21) an international level players on the same level as kags (who played for Japan in the 2016 Olympics games) with no special training outside the reach of a normal hard-core dedicated player
You give hinata the high budget/level training they have in bluelock and he becomes a demon
TLDR: without bluelock isagi is nothing and with bluelock hinata is an absolute demon even younger than in haikyuu
(Also before anyone comes at me with the bluelock manga I am up to date with the manga and the end of bastards vs ubers match 😉) like I said, before bluelock isagi was nothing and without bluelock isagi is nothing
Also for anyone who thinks I hate isagi, I don't
I actually like him a lot more than hinata, but people don't understand that isagi going into haikyuu doesn't have the same level of training that he does with bluelock and without bluelock isgai is bottom tier like he was in the start of the bluelock manga
💀 icl bro this is a bit of reach. Isagi was scouted for bluelock so he clearly had talent before hand and as far as I remember from the beginning of the show isagi wasn't said to be worst striker in his area
@@tryoutube2768 if u did more research u would know that isagi was a prodigy before he joined blue lock and only fell in the last few years of his school team because of the coach putting chains on his strengths because of the team play style, that’s also the reason why isagi improved so quickly (btw this is canon but not mentioned much in the anime)
@@smite_sp6563 that's a fair point to even be accepted in to bluelock is a feat in itself, but still in the first selection he was 1 of five player to be ranked 299, putting him in the top ten worst striker in blue lock, it wasn't until he started training with bluelock that his potential showed, which is my point if isagi never got in blue lock, he wouldn't been able to unlock his potential making haikyuu isagi significantly worse
@@user-zr9rk7yb9h isagi is a prodigy there's no doubt about it, I'm just saying that with out bluelock he's not able to break the chains placed on him unlocking his potential making him worse than he could be and I don't think haikyuu isagi would have a way to break them
Also people sleep on how fast hinata learns and evolves, like he started with zero exp and not even by the end of his first year he is a national level threat
I just believe hinata will be better as his physical abilities would work better in football than isagi vision and mental abilities would work in volleyball
I want isagi to be better but it's just to stacked in hinata favour like hinata would get a massive boost in the quality of his training while isagi gets a massive decrease and his ego is still sealed
As an anime only watcher I still think that ultimately hinata would be the stronger athlete compared to isagi
1. On vibes alone I think hinata has the advantage. As outlines in the video hinata gives me pure athletic genius/talent in regards to his jumping, running, stamina and the fact that he's almost never tired. Meanwhile isagi gives me more initial shonen protagonist who starts off weak in the beginning who will need to use more brains and hardwork to try and get ahead. Although the protags normally come out on top (plot armour buff) generally in shows I think that the genius talents are the ones with better overall capabilities. Like protags will win rarely but in needed times (for the show) whilst the geniuses will win more consistently overall. Although this could be my personal biases talking.
2. In blue lock they try to cultivate egocentric, "play by myself" kind of mindset whilst haikyuu has a very strong teamwork value in each of the different teams. personally I think that it's easier to transition from a team to playing individually, especially in hinata's case as he has his own strong points that develop so he isn't a fully team dependent player. I think this will put isagi at a disadvantage as the only position I can imagine him playing is setter. This largely means that his teams attack power will mostly be dependent on his spikers which means he has less individual power.
3. Building on the team powers and how the video says that isagi would be the better kenma, again isagis potential largely will depend on his team. The reason nekoma is so strong isn't solely dependent on kenmas strategic thinking (kenmas still my fav character tho) but also because nekoma as a team has so much stamina and can therefore afford the time to let kenma think of plans and implement them. (the heart and the brain are only as strong as each other). If isagi doesn't have teammates that can allow him to think and adapt then he can't use his strategic decision making/adaptability skills which is really his only advantage due to his average physical abilities. In my head isagi has a higher chance of not being as successful in volleyball because its such a team sport whereas hinata doesn't have this constraint.
4. Isagis adaptability is a strong point I see being made in the comment section however based on what I've seen so far in the anime isagi usually takes some time to restructure/repuzzle himself and also try out his plans. This functions well in soccer as in a typical 90 minute match around 3 goals are scored to determine a game. It gives isagi more time to think, learn and adapt. however in volleyball a general 90 minute game with 3 sets has 75 points scored. (this is from like 2 Google searches so don't come for me but also u get the gist) Not to mention volleyball is a much more fast paced game which is more reliant on reflexes and in the moment split decisions. Whilst isagi may be able to adapt and make quick decisions as he runs around the field I doubt he would be able to make as complex of strategies in a split second when the ball is being spiked around. Furthermore I imagine that in the time isagi is restructuring himself the team may be suffering a great disadvantage due to the fast paced nature of scoring points which could lead to a big point gap.
5. combining point 3 and 4, even if isagi was able to come up with one of his adaptable genius plan would he even be able to carry it out? Volleyball being a fast paced game doesn't really give players a chance to think of strategies or change formations midway through a game with the constant rotations. How would isagi communicate these plans quickly and efficiently mid way through? And even if he could what if his team mates couldn't pull through? Would isagi even have the needed skills to carry them out?(I doubt he would have kageyamas precision and would be more similar to oikawa who ultimately loses against kageyama anyways.......) There are so many more factors at play when considering isagis success whilst I think that considering hinatas potential is a lot more straight forward with strong points that aren't dependent on others. This is an important difference dependent on the sport they're switching to.
6. Although both protagonists come from sports animes I think it's important to consider the genre differences. Bluelock has more superpower/supernatural elements (more similar to kurokos basketball) whilst haikyuu has more realistic slice of life elements. Due to the differences I've seen arguments which say that isagi would therefore be stronger due to the differences in comparative players. However I think that it would be better to level the playing ground in order to better compare their sport/power systems. Either we take away superpower buffs from isagi or we give hinata buffs as well. for the sake of the argument (and also its more fun) I think that we should let hinata have buffs. Like the demon swirly eye thing that they get. Following this the point made in the video that hinata would hit a wall in the future for his physical skills is weak. I would give Hinata the same potential for growth as all the other blue lock characters and with his hard working personality and pure passion seen in his ambition for volleyball I believe that he could do it. Hinata would likely be able to strengthen his jumping ability or speed even more.
7. Side tangent/small argument I've seen is that isagi as a setter would make lots of dumps and be annoying which would make him a good player. Although good for a few points here and there setter dumps don't win the whole game. So overall not a great point for the isagis success overall.
Overall those are my main points as to why hinata would be more successful if they switched sports. Mainly due to hinata's overall athletic genius, weaknesses in isagis strong points (adaptability/strategy), the fact that volleyball is so dependent on the team and differences between the shows in general.
To anyone who actually read all my 3am fueled thoughts thank you. It feels kinda nice knowing that someone can hear me as I shout into the Internet void hahahhaha.
The direct shot is called a volley. They just call it that for dramatics
Yeah, I think they also called it direct shot to emphasize how he usually receives the ball with his first contact THEN shoots on the second, which - as they actually mention directly - costs him all the advantage he got from his reads, until he relises he needs to shoot DIRECTLY on the first contact to actually use his advantage. Though I'd assume it would work with any kind of direct shot, like a low pass for example, it just happens to always be shown as a volley.
I initially put Isagi as the winner, but after giving it more thought I actually think Hinata would come out on top, let me explain. I think Hinata’s learning ability is way faster than people give him credit for. All of the growth we see from him is in the span of less than a year (in the anime) without ever actually playing any volleyball prior. His game sense is lacking simply because he’s new to the game, and yet he’s grown to be able to read plays from some of the best teams in the nation in that short amount of time. Isagi has played soccer most of his life, and only started growing his skills after joining Blue Lock, which brings up another point. All of Isagi’s exponential growth is made in a state of the art facility specifically for developing top strikers, while Hinata was able to improve to a high degree in what was considered one of the worst teams in the prefecture. With all of these factors, if they switched sports, I’m not confident that Isagi would learn volleyball faster than Hinata would learn soccer. Combined with the aspect of physical ability, this is why I think Hinata wins this debate.
Very interesting comment.
Interesting, I hadn't really considered that about Isagi learning in Blue Lock vs hinata learning for a random high school team at all tbh
great point, people brush off the fact that Hinata, in his FIRST year of playing actual Volleyball, was one of the key factors between Karasuno being one of the WORST teams in their prefecture to them beating National powerhouses like Shiratorizawa and Inarizaki, and that's off Hinata's raw athletic ability and talent alone. Isagi on the other hand, developed THROUGH Blue Lock, using his experiences to further sharpen himself and come up with weapons to make up for his physical and talent deficiencies.
If we swap their experiences, Hinata would literally thrive in Blue Lock, every single one of his attributes fit the Blue Lock description, (i.e, the ego, hunger to improve, sheer athletic ability and talent, and desparation to be the best). Where as Isagi in Karasuno probably wont even make the starting lineup, he just doesn't have the physical abilities to thrive, even if he were to be involved in volleyball his entire life, he wouldnt have the "ego" that Blue Lock instilled in him.
While I like a lot of what you and @levimetri4074 are saying, if we're gonna start expanding this discussion to start including the training environment and their circumstances prior to their main training facility (Blue Lock and Karasuno), then there's one major flaw to this argument: Hinata wouldn't make it past the first selection. Isagi and his brain were the unifying force that unlocked both Chigiri and Team Z as a whole, whereas Hinata - while being a positive influence for morale - wouldn't be able to fill that same role. There's a chance that his passion for having a team would prevent Kuon from becoming a traitor, but I don't think it would be enough to awaken Chigiri, and they would likely still not win against any of Team V, W, or X without Chigiri playing or Isagi's pitch orchestration. Then, when it comes down to top goalscorer from Team Z, I think Kunigami, Bachira, and a traitor Kuon would all beat Hinata.
Also, Karasuno being "one of the worst teams in the prefecture" is incredibly disingenuous. Look at the Interhigh bracket and see how many teams there are and how many of those teams get first rounded. Also recall that one of the major reasons for their fall was the departure of the former coach Ukai, where the new coach Ukai would come to join in the same season that Hinata joins. A perfect storm occurs at the time of Hinata's joining that allowed him to have the level of development that he did. A strong and passionate leader becomes captain, the best mid-high setter and a fierce rival joins, an enthusiastic teacher becomes club supervisor, and the team finally gets a coach again due to said supervisor. Take away any of those, and I think Hinata's development suffers significantly.
In addition, I think the training environments are actually on par specifically in terms of what they're trying to achieve (though obviously not the actual level of play or technology). Blue Lock is a survival of the fittest where you have to figure out on your own what will take you to the next level (that is, if you evaluate this wrong, you can end up training the wrong thing - something that I fully believe Hinata would do). Karasuno, on the other hand, is a team environment where everyone helps each other and you have a coach to help you determine where you're lacking and what skills to work on. It's heavily implied that junior/high school coaching in the Blue Lock universe is atrocious (see: Aiku's backstory), but with either/both Ukai coaching Isagi, I think all of the "Isagi didn't develop that much outside Blue Lock" arguments go away.
All that said, I think "Hinata football vs. Isagi volleyball" doesn't lay enough clear ground rules to make a proper evaluation anyway - which makes this whole thing moot. Like "Isagi's game sense relies on his experience, so he'll struggle in volleyball" is weird as an argument in the video to me because I was assuming that we'd just take the characters exact skill set and move them one to one into the other sport (i.e. Isagi would be exactly as much of a nerd, but in volleyball instead). How much experience in their original sport do they carry? Are they slotted exactly into the other person's role in the other universe (i.e. Karasuno Isagi, Blue Lock Hinata)? Are they instead just playing the other person's sport without any of the surrounding infrastructure that either had? Are they actually just in their own universes, but switched sports? The prompt is too broad.
@@venettore3601 I like all of the points you laid out and I do think there’s a lot of room for speculation if Hinata and Isagi traded their exact situations. I was basing my argument off of the video’s scenario which I had assumed was Hinata and Isagi changing sports cold turkey with no prior experience in said sport. You are completely right that Hinata may not make it past the first selection; however, if we are swapping their places at the beginning of the shows, then I would also argue Isagi has even less of a chance being on the starting lineup. There is almost no reason to pick him over Kageyama, who has more raw athleticism, height, technique, experience, and even shared Isagi’s skill of spatial awareness.
You’re completely correct that I underrepresented Kurasuno as a learning environment, so I concede that point. Even so, I do think Hinata’s quick development in a sport he had never played before still speaks to his learning speed. In my opinion, excelling in a sport in under a year after starting from scratch is more impressive than excelling after learning how to utilize years of accumulated knowledge. Of course I’m not saying Isagi doesn’t learn fast, he grew his spatial awareness extraordinarily fast, but I still think Hinata’s learning speed is at least on par.
It’s true that the parameters of the debate are a little unclear. I took it as such: if after the latest episode of their respective shows, they immediately switched sports in equal environments. There’s a lot of wiggle room due to all of the variables at play, so I genuinely think all points are valid since it’s all speculation at best. Not to mention, these are different universes, and both have high school students that make plays not even professionals could replicate (anything Nagi does in Blue Lock, minus tempo in Haikyu, etc.) so it’s hard to draw a proper line of comparison. Great points made, thanks for your reply!
I don’t know how much this helps but Hinata has some soccer experience. In the beginning it talks about how his friends used to make him practice with them to help him and I believe one of them played soccer
I would have thought that Isagi is basically Kageyama that choose to be a spiker lolz. I mean, remembering his precise set, field mastery, and ability to calculate the best possible position to score? Yeah, that's just Isagi 😂. Pretty sure if Isagi is paired with Kags, it would make a Miya Twins 2.0 with Setter-Spiker switch style.
But like, if we're talking about who would create more impact? With teamwork-oriented Isagi vs Egoist Hinata, then Hinata's Ego would win in a second lmao. Hinata is already a borderline obsessive player without his ego lit. If he use the same passion for football, then enter Blue Lock only to be told that he could set free? Yeah, his ego would become a monster. On the other hand, many of Haikyuu players only built their ego after finishing Highschool. Like Oikawa going to Aegentina, Hinata going to Brazil, and Kageyama with the Olympics. Without a deranged competitive environment like Blue Lock, Isagi would have been stuck in either Atsumu or Sakusa level ability, which while good would still have contender like Ushiwaka or Kageyama.
Being fast and agile and being fast and agile while dribbling a football are the COMPLETELY different things, no way inata would be as fast while dribbling as that is also a hard skill to master
Yeah he definitely wouldn't. I don't think I emphasised how much both are going to suck initially haha
Football and Volleyball are both team based game where cooperation is a key if you really wanna win.
I could see Isagi being one of the top dogs in Haikyuu if you give him some time sice his physicality actually grew quite significantly in the manga. This is very evident in the fact that he manages to defeat Yukimiya in a 1v1, keep up with Kurona and his stamina was on par with Raichi's which is a very big feat since Raichi is literally a stamina demon.
Hinata on the other hand is an athletic monster although he does quite lack in the head department. Like you said in the video Hinata does rely on his teammates most of the time so thats why I dont really see him thriving in Blue Lock. We've seen people with better athleticism and physicality in Shidou, Rin, Barou, Kunigami, Bachira, etc,,,
At the start both Hinata and Isagi would be dead weight to their team. Isagi not having the athleticism to keep up and Hinata isnt really that smart and mostly rely on his teammates to score points (which wouldn't work in Blue Lock since its a All for One program.)
Give them some time and I could see Isagi thriving in the Haikyuu verse but I can't really say the same for Hinata. Blue Lock being an all man for themselves type of game doesn't really suit Hinata well.
I think you are under the incorrect asumption that Hinata is lacking in intelligence. While it's true for general education, Hinata actually has great game sense. This boy improves by a leap in his receiving just from being a ball boy in a mock-up trainning camp. He sees, he thinks, he delivers.
Isagi, on the other hand, needs do-or-die environment to make himself better. If he's given Hinata's situation where he's not even chosen to participate in mock-up training, will he progress as much as Hinata does?
Hinata is the most selfish character in the show
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Was waiting for this!!
Hope it was worth the wait haha
I say Hinata simply because he had a Middle School friend whom he played with and I think he's shown to have even played on his own prior to falling in love with volleyball. so he has some experience He's great with his feet, has incredible stamina, and agility.
He might not be as observant, but he is great at adapting. No doubt you give him a few weeks and a decent coach and he kills it.
I consider powerscaling videos to be a waste of time but you kinda managed to make it a worthwile watch, I learned a bit ^^
haha thanks man, it was a lot of fun to make but I don't expect it to become a regular thing - I never even planned to make a video on this but the poll did so well I felt like I had to
As a youtuber it's good to branch out, even if little by little. Who knows maybe in the future you'll branch out to comics, better start setting up that possibility now
I played soccer from early elementary to 9th grade and volleyball from 5th to 12th, so I’ve got a decent amount of experience with both (but admittedly a better understanding of volleyball). I’ve also never seen Blue Lock, so take what I say about Isagi with a grain of salt. I’m also not sure who would do better, I just wanted to point out some things I don’t think people have mentioned.
For one, volleyball players have a pretty deeply ingrained instinct to react with their hands, so Hinata would probably be getting a decent amount of hand balls at the start. Also, while people have talked a little about Hinata’s stamina, the stamina you need for volleyball and the stamina you need for soccer aren’t really the same. Soccer involves more continuous running, which is challenging. Volleyball requires constant acceleration and deceleration, which has it’s own challenges, and can be equally exhausting, (also there’s the fact that you’re basically running in small circles the whole time) but that doesn’t mean those staminas will necessarily transfer. (The argument that Hinata bikes to school over a mountain and goes on long jogs/runs has more merit)
For Isagi, I don’t think setting would suit him, especially at the start, unless he had some latent natural talent. To be a setter, you need to be, at bare minimum, passable in every general skill area. This is because higher level teams will likely either be running a 5-1 or a 6-2. In a 5-1, which seems to be what most teams in Haikyuu run, the setter plays all the way around. This means they are a blocker, a server, and a receiver, in addition to setting. In a 6-2 the setter only sets from the back row, allowing either a right side/opposite hitter to sub for them in front, or the setter to play right side themself. This would either remove the necessity of being a blocker OR add the necessity of being a hitter. Also, most volleyball skills require a degree of arm strength that a soccer play might not be developing as much, although I didn’t play to a high enough level in soccer to be sure. It’s interesting that you dismissed his kicking though. Volleyball’s so high speed that any split-second of confusion can work in your favor. If he used it sparingly enough and aimed for deep corners, I could see it earning a few points. This is part of why setter dumps work, even if they have no power.
Finally, I think they’d both be more thrown off by strategy/game sense than you mention. Hinata is nowhere near used to the size of the field or the number of players, plus he isn’t used to opposing players coming from any side, which would definitely throw him off. Conversely, Isagi would be significantly limited in how he interacts with opponents because they’re physically separated from him. Isagi also probably isn’t used to the degree of interdependence necessitated by volleyball, which would hinder his ability to carry out new strategy on the fly. They don’t show it much in Haikyuu, but if a player chooses to deviate from the general strategy their team is following, the speed of the game makes it very hard for other teammates to compensate. And, since the court is so small, it’s pretty hard to implement new strategy without either a time out or the other team over hearing you. I’m not saying that he would be a bad strategist though. After enough time, he would definitely be valuable during time outs, between sets, etc., and he would be able to adapt within the framework of the general strategy during the game.
@LessonsFromAnime it was also mentioned that Hinata was captain of his middle school soccer team before switching to volleyball, so he has experience and leadership skills on top of all the stats you stated before.
This video is amazing keep up the good worlk
Thanks man will do!
Beautiful video mate. Enjoyed the analysis.
Glad you enjoyed it
The only thing I see you didn't give credit is that adaptability is a weapon for isagi
Personally I would say Hinata would do better. Hinata is a prime example of how having good vision and reactions to quick situations won't be enough to do well in volleyball, as he struggled very hard with the basics for a long time, basically only being useful as an attacker or when running for long balls. Isagis talents simply won't transfer well over to volleyball, while Hinatas monstrous physique will when going into soccer, plus he has extremely good sight similarly to Isagi, but not quite on the same level obviously.
Plus, the ability to read the situation and calculate what to do isn't nessecarily that crucial in volleyball compared to soccer. Maybe if he's a setter he could make some good use of it, but even then it's limited and heavily rely on his teammates to be able to follow it, which at that point it's not so much about him anymore, and we saw what happens when Kageyama played like he did before joining Karasuno so he can't force that either. You could also make good use of such skills as a blocker, but we know Isagi aren't gonna be that good in that position since he don't have great jumps, height, nor does he have a large build/width. And putting him as a Libero is not a good idea. The Libero aren't involved in the offensive plays or much of the teams strategy, aside from when recieving the ball and assigning which areas on the court each player has control over. The setter has one given predetermined place they need to get to at all times, and the libero gets the ball to that spot. Isagi wouldn't be involved in any way that would allow him to make use of his talents at all, it is probably the worst spot for him.
Edit: I am talking about early in their career. It's very difficult to say how they'll turn out later on, but to actually touch on that, i still think it's the same. Physique and size plays a tremendous part in volleyball in ways that can't be gotten around like it can in other sports. Isagis lack in physicality will only prove more detrimant the further into his career he goes and he will hit a wall. Meanwhile all Hinata is lacking as technical skills, which he'll get eventually, and his talent with great sight is a similar enough to Isagi that he could pull off similar stuff.
You couldn’t explain it better. I voted for Isagi and on one part of the video I was thinking to myself “yes that absolutely makes sense physically that Hinata would be a better fit for the other sport” but then I thought wait what about the long term, the Isagi mentality and brain and of course you delivered the perfect ending which makes everything absolutely have sense and I agree 100% with you.
Cheers bro!
I think hinata might be better as a goalkeeper and belike ochua from mexico national team goalkeeper idk his height is smaller i think
Yeah I saw a couple comments about him being a goalkeeper, and it's a super interesting discussion but I'd basically finished the video at that point. I think both results would be the same regardless though
I honestly think he'd need A LOT of time to be good in that role though. Not because he'd be... "bad", but because I think he wouldn't be able to stop any shots from actually good strikers just physically if he needs to rely only on his hands and can't bring his entire body behind the ball. Assuming he manages to make his vertical work in all directions (which is surprisingly not as easy as one would think) I can definitely see him becoming a great keeper against penalties and stuff, but I think 1on1 situations would be his nemesis and he'd also have to learn to be more patient too.
I know this is a little out of left field, but I think Hinata would make a good goalie. I play goalkeeper and when thinking about Hinata playing soccer a couple ideas came to mind. He could be a winger with his speed and ability to jump up and header a ball back post, or he could be a goalkeeper. Hinata’s jumping ability would help him overcome the height difference between him and the average goalkeeper. Him being a little short also gives him an advantage when diving for lower balls. He also has the reflexes and instincts to get behind the ball for more reaction based saves. The last aspect is that the 18 yard box is closer in size to a volleyball court than the entire field, so Hinata would be able to manage it a lot easier. I think his only issues would be distribution and organizing the team. For distribution, it would have to be something he learns and improves on overtime as most accuracy based skills take time to learn the technique and master it. And with organizing the team, it may be difficult for him, but definitely do able. He would need to get to know his team as well as learn the play style of his team, and just like distribution, it would come with time and experience.
I know that Blue Lock is a striker based manga, and while my position places me in exact opposition to strikers, I enjoy Blue Lock for it’s display of players getting over a mental block. That being said, this question didn’t seem limited to Isagi and Hinata switching places, but rather taking on each other’s respective sport. So I don’t think it’s fair to limit Hinata to being a striker as his abilities could help him in other aspects of the sport as well. I don’t play volleyball, so I can’t really comment on Isagi. But I definitely think Hinata has the capability to be a great player if given the time and resources. I hope those who took time to read my comment enjoyed my take on the question and have a good day/night!
Love all your points! Completely agree as well
Thanks man!
As someone who watched football all hs life, played it for 10 years and analysis a lot of games from diifferent leagues hvae to say that you really underestiimate how hard football is. Being fast and able to jump high can be good but if you have 0 skill with the ball you will never play even a minute. Jumping is Important in defense to get high balls and in offense to score a header or in rare cases to set up the ball for someone else after a standart. Hinata would never play as a defender because he is way to small and has no strength n his upper body. When doing a header you need to hit perfectly to be dangerous and to score with it. Furthermore he would need to be close to the goal when htting the ball with his head because he does not have the neck and upper body strength to perform a dangerous header from far away. The problem with having to be near the goal for a header is that most of the time the goalie will catch the ball or a defender just blocks you off so that his Jumping ability is basically useless. His speed is a good weapon if he learns to keep tha ball at his feed and if he can adapt to the pace of a football match and how much bigger the field is than at volleyball. it is easy for people that are new to football to get exhausted really fast beacuse they underestimated how long a football match goes and how bg the field is. Hinata would sit on the bench for at least 2-3 years because of his lack in skill with the ball compared to other football players. Another problem would be that he relys on his instincts and in football you can not do that. To be a good or even worldclass player you need to be ably to analyse the game around you and your own game to a hgh extend to be able to perform constantly. In the end the biggest problem will be his height because if you dont have god given talent when it comes to your football abilities you will fail almost 99.99% of the time. There is only a small amount of players in professional football that have hinatas height and these players are absolute monsters at dribbling andf using their body. They are also way stronger whch means hinate has to bulk a lot to the cost of being slower and jumping not as high anymore. If he trains a lot can see him after 6 or 7 years be a player in a second league team in england or italy but i dont think he can translate to more. Just my opinion. I have no clue about volleyball and how Isagi could perform there after years of training so feel free to tell me or correct me if i stated something wrong.
Nah you're right, I don't think I emphasised enough that both are going to be atrocious at first haha. It's because they're both so bad but Hinata at least has something going for him that I gave the early stages to him
I think Hinata would be a really good footballer with time. Isagi would be an elite setter but would never play anything but setter
In soccer tactics falls to the smallest movements as you have to predict your, teammates, and opponents movement often from looking around constantly and off instinct. You can get constantly pressured into only passing on way and there are ways to get out of it
I think what isagi has going for him is the fact that he has so much potential. You can see so much growth game to game. He started off at the second worst in the entire bluelock facility, but after the first test he moves up to 16/15th place (i can’t remember exactly) whilst the rankings were skewed because they lied about how many people were in bluelock, he’s still at the bottom of everyone there
a volley is when you hit the ball in the air first time (can be passes and other things) a direct shot is shooting first (can be on ground)
Nice vid😊
Even though Isagi has more potential the problem is that his poor start will lead him to not have enough playing time to reach his potential.
Actually, isagi would be much better than Hinata.
The reason being, after I started watching blue lock, I incorporated isagi's playstyle to my game of badminton, and found that I am able to reach the place where the opponent planned to shoot.
While you are right about experience playing a major role, one advantage of volleyball is that unlike badminton, you are allowed multiple touches, so isagi while not being able to stand out as a genius, could very easily balance the team and ensure there are no weak spots that's the opponents could exploit, atleast until he learns the ins and outs for a couple of days.
How would he be able to "balance out the team and ensure there's no weak spots"? I'm really not sure what badminton has to do with this tbh
The difference is isagi will be well suited for a setter than being a spiker but hinata can become a striker easily with is his physical abilities such as his speed stamina agility his determination to never give up even when he is at a disadvantage
Let me explain : isagi is good at prediction and which is 99 percent accurate he is good at adapting to a game and with the situation thats what a setter needs in haikyuu he might struggle against se opponents like kageyama miya atsumu and many top players but im sure with his adaptability prediction and determination to be the top setter like kageyama he would become one of the top setters in the world he will be called a protagy like kageyama from the start only if he gets coaching from the start or else he will struggle some but he will eventually become the best as he will love volleyball as much as he loves football
As for hinata if he is coached from the start of the series like he will be also considered one of the best from the start because hinata learns fast if he is not trained from the start he might struggle a lot but with his never give up attitude and determination to be the best will help him get through the first round as he continuesly eveolve ,in the other rounds hinatas evolution is top noth as we have seen him become a boy who cant even receive or spike properly to a top spiker , a receiver and decent setter with great adaptability in the end of the series he will evolve as he watches other strikers and learn feom them and make his own way of playstyle and he trusts in his comrades who plays in his side and probably changes them into a team that makes him score as he changed a egoist like kageyama ( and if ir saying bluelock is only about egoism ur wrong even isagi made a bunch of comrades who trust him and supports him to be the striker lf his team just read the manga if u want its not all in the last chapter he made another comrade who helped him score the goal ) hinata wont be like isagi but he will be unique player and a player who has the potential to evolve everyone in blue lock as they see hinata even with a disadvantage in height and power pushing past hos limits to be the top he will be a player like messi at the end of the series as hinata is similar to messi at least in my point of view
Hope everyone agrees😌😌
nah strikers are about more than physical abilities. U mention messi but he's not very impressive physically, he goit stamina and techniques but otherwise he's far less physicall than players who are absolute monsters and yet more succesful. Physique is important in soccer but not to the amount some people think. I feel like hinata would become a decent player but to say a plaer like messi is way too exagerated. Almost every pro soccer plaer at high level are dudes with insane determination, like this the most played sport and only a select few gets to those heights im telling you they all are absolutely determined but to be like messi it's not just about determination and physicality the guy is an actual genius and all the top strikers are, i'd wager that the sport is so tough for striker that even some of them are geniuses and still isn't enough becausze of tiny details. Honestly just the fact that we're asking who would do better in those sports makes me wanna say volleyball because there simply is far less people trying to reach pro level so it might be more forgiving
A volleyball player with similar specs to Isagi would be Kenma, extremely high awareness, adaptabilities and teamplay but lack luster physical abilities. A menace on the court as a setter and extremely difficult to deal with but as Haikyuu teams have shown, not the end of the world.
Hinata thrives on game sense and player reading, add that to his extremely high stamina and fast speeds, he would make an extremely good winger. His lack of physique will really hurt him in football though (both literally and in gameplay).
As for my personal opinion, Hinata would be more difficult to deal with, he would be a wild animal on a football field, someone very difficult to read and contain. While Isagi would remain as an inferior setter.
Side note, I didn't want to put Hinata as a Goalie because it's lame, but if he was goalie, it would be the most impactful position for him, he would almost never lose a 1v1.
The issue is that you think that Isagi would be a setter, I don’t think he would at all be someone else than the person scoring and this changes a lot of things because reading the opponents takes a less important place in a spiker position than as a setter
Great Video! But the athleticalism does not mater at all in this comparison, because a volleyballcourt is much smaller than a soccerpitch so Hinata has probably less endurance. That Isagi has more expirienced in soccer than in volleyball, makes sense but adapting to another sport is actually a piece of cake if you have a general idea of the sport
better debate kuroku no basket cast vs haikyuu cast vs blue lock cast in a sports showdown (obviously they'd win in there own sports but when they switch just think the height kagami jumps but now in haikyuu or kuroko in blue lock with his passes)
I think the video is extremely well done, like, pretty amazingly so but I cant say I agree with what is being said here.
I mean, I agree with how Isagis development would go, both early on and later, but I completely disagree with Hinatas, specially the early on part. I mean, if I understood correctly we are assuming that they are who they are when they switch (meaning Isagi will love football and Hinata will love volleyball), if that is the case, sure, Hinata will have an athletic advantage, but his skills will be so far behind that nothing will count for anything.
He doesnt have ball control to run fast with the ball, meaning that offensively he wouldnt be able to use his agility either (you could argue he could at least use that defensively but without any previous experience, he wouldnt be able to not get dribbled nor be able to space himself to avoid the other team to just pass the ball). Even if he can jump high, he literally never trained how to do headbutts nor does he have the tech skills to position himself well enough and while his stamina is good (although completely different from the stamina required to what football requires) since he doesnt know football rules he will have to run much more than the others (anyone that played football can sympathize with that) which will decrease his advantage. Hinata is also a good guy, too good in fact, I am not sure how he would fare in a toxic and selfish enviroment such as blue lock while Isagi is much more adaptable.
And I am not even saying Isagi would be the better one by the way, I just think Hinata would fare way worse than the expected in this video
Yeah fair point - I don't think I emphasised enough that both would be pretty appalling at first haha
I wonder if he'd still be a good guy after going through Blue Lock though, Isagi was super nice beforehand too (and still generally is when he's not playing)
isagi should be able to be more aware on a smaller court with less people, but dont misunderstand how that works against him as well, he is more closely comparable to kuroko from kuroko no basket. His success is determined by whether or not people can keep up with him mentally, a lot of people in his verse can, but usually those people have major presence and either gets marked and or gets hard focused, while isagi has an easier time to hide and misdirect. he simply wont be able to do that on a small field with almost half the players because he will get stat checked every single time, and while isagi is fine tuned to his sport he has 0 physicals to match, hinatas just the better athlete.
Pls do a video about how to find ur purpose
It literally doesn’t matter about Isagi’s skill because he’s too short to play volleyball fr. He could literally ONLY be a libero and he doesn’t have a lifelong practice in the sport to just adapt to whatever on the fly. Hinata’s entire game on the other hand is about how fast and energetic he is. Hinata would literally just run around kicking the ball on defense before you see him and would be a beast when it comes to teammates passing him the ball while he’s sprinting past you. Only thing that even makes this a debate to me at all is that soccer skills are somewhat harder to learn than volleyball skills simply because ppl are naturally better at using their hands than their feet, Nagi excluded. That being said, Hinata would be the greatest goalkeeper to ever exist, he’d spike your shot to the half line and ask for another😂
its isagi and its not even close.
Idk why we left out the unclimbable wall that football is for people that havent played it ever in their life.
Kicking a ball is (suprisingly) harder for a lot of people than I thought lets ignore receiving it without losing it or a simple pass.
Whats gonna happen is, that the team that has hinata is basically playing with 1 less person for the entire match because he wont be able to do shit with the ball, despite him having such a great "athletism"
The opposite is in volleyball.
As someone who went to it after football, I had a really easy time to adapt to the game especially the game reading.
Isagi would be able to atleast receive the spikes as a libero so that his team can actually play the game, while hinata wont be able to do shit.
My profession is based around sports mainly football, i can tell you right now if someone has 0 experiences with it, theres absolutely no way even being the fastest most agile person in the team he will do anything, he wouldnt be able to do a decent control, second touch or control at high speeds pretty much nullifing those advantages, someone starting in volleyball from 0 will get a ton of chances due to the other team noticing, while a player starting in football may not even touch the ball
Isagi’s one stressful life event away from a mental breakdown so there’s no way he’s taken on a whole new sport at an elite level.
After comparing both of their abilities and weaknesses this is the players that I believe they would resemble.
Isagi would become a combination of Miya Atsumu & Aone thanks to his spatial awareness and ability to read his opponents and teammates moves while usually making smart plays, not power plays.
Hinata would become a combination of Shidou & Zantetsu thanks to his on point instincts to score / be in the right spot to dodge the defense and his often insanely fast take off.
After thinking about the two and how they would do in their verses against each other, I've decided that Isagi would be better. Hinata would be insanely strong but Isagi with these skills would come at the game like a created player in a video game. It would be disgusting to see how Isagi would do these teams. He'd be a ridiculous setter that would even function as a middle blocker while setting with perfect precision and top tier Volleyball IQ
I get the vibe that most people answering either don't know a lot about volleyball besides the basics and are extrapolating from their perceived knowledge or they are comparing the sports based on entirely on their anime / manga, mostly because Isagi is depicted as a beast in his series and Hinata is depicted as a underdog in his.
1- While I think you underestimated Isagi's physicality most people on the comments are heavily overestimating it. While Isagi comparable to the top 300 players in japan and their U20 team, you can also compare Hinata's physicality to multiple players from the youth volleyball team, including Kageyama, and you'll see very similar results. It's also important to consider the Japanese are way better in Volleyball then Soccer (26th in Man's Football vs 4th in Man's Volleyball, Japan U20 team was grouped in the U20WC, while U19 Japan team is currently in top 10 world rank). Isagi is also a little more then an year older which is somewhat relevant.
2- People are not considering the Blue Lock effect. If Isagi went to play volleyball he wouldn't be in Blue Lock so he would improve in a much slower pace. He would be training in school level facility, with school level investment and not being able to dedicate 100% of his time in training, while Hinata would be put in Blue Lock's much higher standard of training and facing way better competition earlier, so he would improve a lot faster. If you're putting them in the same level, Hinata is way ahead because he used to help people from his school teams in practice, including the football team, so the would have the basics while Isagi would have to learn volley from scratch and technique is way more complicated and unforgiving (as a double hit is a streight point to the other team) in Volleyball ESPECIALLY AS A SETTER, which is the position most people think Isagi would fit best.
3- Hinata's skills translate way better to football. He already have basic technique and will be improving as he plays. Football is more forgiving to the lack of technique, and while Hinata would struggle with stamina, people are heavily underestimating him. He would be probably a little above Chigiri's level of stamina in the U20 match (consider Chigiri was not training for awhile because of the injury) and there are a couple positions that he would fit very well. Hinata would probably grow into a good winger or wingback in time (considering Chigiri was never detrimental in defense while being a striker that never trained defending before Blue Lock).
On the other hand, even with great mental skills, Isagi's physicality and low technique would make him have a tough time at most Volleyball positions. While he is not as short as people might think (he is only 1 cm under Daichi), but his jumping combined with his height is really uninpressive for attacking and blocking, even if he is good at predicting ths best position to spike or block, his vertical mobility still make him fairly straightfoward for good teams to defend against. He would also have a hell of a time if he wanted to be a setter. Considering his stat spread from the pre NEL at that point Isagi's technique is REALLY low in soccer A SPORT HE PLAYED FOR MOST OF HIS LIFE AND HE IS OBSESSED WITH, he would have to learn a new sport from nothing and people believe his best position is THE SINGLE MOST TECHNICAL POSITION IN VOLLEYBALL. At this point Isagi might just be best as a libero as he would have great positioning and he could focus a lot on improving his passing.
4- I think people are also underestimating Hinata. Hinata improved A LOT in 1 year. When he got to Karasuno he's technique was trash and he was attacking with his eyes closed and he got to the point he was one of the best players for a team that did well in the nationals in less then a year, while also having to balance school and homelife and low training structure. Isagi did improve a lot faster, but Blue Lock was designed to force the players to work 24/7 in football with the best training structure possible (let's be real blue lock tech is basically Sci-fi level stuff, not even in a pro team in real life they would get to that level).
WIth that in mind IMO it's Hinata up to the NEL Isagi. NEL Isagi is such an improvement that would make it tough to decide which one would be better by the end of their careers, but I think it would take 2-3 years in volleyball for Isagi to close the gap from Hinata in their early years.
We got to understand that the level of competition is different between the two. Hinata is playing against high schoolers, and Isagi is playing against actual national prodigies. Compare Hinata against the Japanese national team for Volleyball and you have a better comparison. Isagi has a higher ceiling as he is just mentally superior over Hinata who relies on his physicals too much.
This all assumes you take Isagi’s manga journey and not Hinata’s. Hinata is a grown man by the end
"Hinata is playing against high schoolers"
The high schoolers you are talking about are:
- Ushiwaka : Japan's top 3
- Bokuto : Japan's top 5
- Kageyama : National youth camp
- Miya (Atsumu) : National youth camp
- Hoshiuami : National youth camp
I was deep into the Isagi would win team, but now I've made a complete flip flop. I've been playing volleyball for less than a year now, and i know that picking up the skills for volleyball, (bumping,setting, serving, spiking) is actually a lot harder than it seems. Now i don't play soccer, but i think i could learn how to play soccer way faster. There are so many little things to volleyball that matter so much. Like keeping a ready position (shuffling, staying low), passing the ball (can't swing your arms, have to get specific angles), just the toss for the serve is still challenging for me. Unless you're cranking out his upon hours of volleyball a week, it would take awhile to catch up to Hinata. Now I know Hinata isnt the sharpest or most technique oriented, but it took him a year just to get OK at volleyball (not including his spiking). So yeah, I think Hinata would win.
I know volleyball has some injuries but football/soccer is a contact sport which of course there’s gonna be a lot of injuries , so my point is does hi at have any injury resistance
I feel like nerfing Isagi's IQ doesn't make sense. If he played Volleyball then he'd have given it the same amount of time that he does football in terms of watching and playing so there'd be no difference. Any sport that he'd want to focus on would end up the same way for him considering his hunger to shine bright.
You didn't nerf it much but I'm just saying LoL.
I'm assuming they swap at the end of their current animes so itd be a long time before hed spent as long playing volleyball as he has football, it would be super interesting to consider if they swapped at birth though
The hard part that isagi will face is having to share part of his brain with the team,as we all know ego is the biggest thing in blue lock,but on the case of volleyball it's very much the oppisite,if the entire team isn't connected as one it'll make it very difficult for isagi to single handedly "think" through a volleyball game
you forgeting his team before rely on teammates and how would he struggle thinking through a volleyball game where they stated that isagi is adapting genius he can forget everything he has and rebuild himself to adapt in the field he did that many times.
its not like ego means doing everything yourself he use his teammates many times for the sake of goal so he would still use his teammates in volley ball to score a point
u forgot bluelock's theme for proving isagi better than hinata@@jbgplayz2891
Everyone is just forgetting that Hinata started off self taught? He had no team or ppl who were actually interested in the sports, his middle school team was just ppl he convinced to come for the match, he had his friend who plays an entirely different sport setting to him, no coach, etc. If he actually had a decent team and coach back then he would've been way better when he got into Karasuno since he would've had experience and gotten to properly utilize his physical prowess.
Also Hinata's whole thing is wanting to be on the court the longest. If you put him in Blue Lock and made him understand that if he doesn't become the best he can't play the sport anymore, he's going to improve like crazy. He already has the physical prowess. He's fast, his legs are strong, good reaction time, etc.
We should take the environment more into consideration I think Blue lock will have a qualitative improvement on Hinata's development since he's playing the top 300 he will have to fix his problems much faster than normal or he's going to keep getting exploited on top of that with him being above average in most physical stats he will have so much room to improve in every physical category even more so if he develops an egotistical/devour mindset. Whereas isagi will play on mid team where his physical disadvantages won't be that glaring, and he will develop without an egotistical/devour mindset because he isn't in blue lock so he will lose an edge while Hinata gains one.
what about a mixture of both
Has hikyu manga ended I thought it was pretty famous why did it end though?
Can anyone tell what happened in the ending
Adulthoood happened and it was lit
@@basenperusalen so will there be hikyu 2 or something like that?
Or is it over?
Fully over unfortunately, beautiful ending though
The thing is volleyball is heavily on the team sport aspect which means there are different roles for each placement of the player if Isagi was placed as a libero he can only do what a libero player should do. You can't just steal the ball from a player because you are better than them so Isagi would have to adapt the team aspect when playing than just being an "egoist" in the sport. Other than Hinata would likely have more freedom when it comes to football since you can hog on the ball all you want.
Honestly I don't see Isagi struggling with that. He might need one game to reset his new ego-mindset, but he actually started out as a VERY team oriented player, as already shown in the first game of the entire anime, or the first few games in Blue Lock. I'm pretty sure he could go back to that relatively quickly.
Bro the title "genius of adaptability" for a reason
@@PALOVOZEK you cant really adapt to volley ball Haikyuu makes it seem really easy for the libero to just move and receive the ball, but the attacker can still make any hit at a 100 mph and they probally wont receive it.
Would this be an Isagi that had been through blue lock already or just imagining he picked volleyball instead of football?
Cos I think Blue Lock makes Isagi a monster and without it Hinata would be a better player every time
I assume they swap at the end of their animes, so yeah he's been through Blue Lock
@@LessonsFromAnime interesting 🤔. I feel like the mentality Isagi comes out with at the end of whatever selection they are on is a weapon Hinata could never match.
Hinata loves volleyball with all his heart. He might be a better athlete but I doubt he would commit to football the same way Isagi would to volleyball.
Isagi's egoism would probably let him dominate in any field.
@@The31stEgoism doesn't have place is volleyball due to the rules that you can neither touch the ball for too long nor hit it twice consecutively.
Middle-school version of Kageyama is how an egoist player will end up in this sports: deserted by his own teammates.
The biggest problem of this debate is the anime haven't the dumpster battle or else there is no way Any sane people would say Isagi would be a better player in volleyball than Hinata in football
I think the thing most people are overlooking about Hinata is the fact he has effectively 0 Volleyball experience at the start of the series. He practiced hitting spikes on his own for the duration of middle school and only managed to enter the tournament after gathering a bunch of people together. He never practiced with the girls club initially due to embarassment. Isagi had been playing football basically his entire life and was already at Nationals level by the start of the series.
This is quite literally a mismatch in experience, Hinata needs to learn the basics of his own sport and people are comparing him to someone with years of practice saying things like "Isagi learns x in only 1 game" yeah of course he does, he already knows how all of this works. Hinato on the other hand only wants to spike for the first 3 seasons of the anime. He's just a kid who loves hitting the ball and doesn't care enough about defending until he realises it's just as important as scoring. He also reaches National level with his first year of actual experience with the game and a team. That's some insane levels of growth from a single season of a game.
Since Hinata has essentially 0 skills in Volleyball aside from spiking him swapping to football would essentially be the same thing as his Haikyuu experience except with Football instead of Volleyball as he was legitimately just learning the game the whole time.
those who read the manga knows isagi will be just fine in volleyball with all his skills
what skills that carry over to volleyball?
@@LessonsFromAnimeI don’t know if u read the blue lock manga but he basically has superhuman sight and physique is levels above when he started, he would wash in volleyball as his sight would see almost every move
@@user-zr9rk7yb9hI don't think metavision changes anything tbh, he already had the spatial awareness he needs for volleyball, that's not the issue. He definitely does improve his physique a lot, but I don't think he ever trained his vertical jump
Volleyball is about teamwork
I love to see the haikyuu teams playing blue lock against each other
People don't seem to understand how far sheer athleticism can carry you. Hinata might be an idiot who could be easily outplayed, but he could be used exactly the same as Karasuno used him - put the ball near him at the last second and let him take a rip at it however he can. It's a very basic strategy that can be used right away to get Hinata used to the game quickly. I also can't help but think that Hinata basically didn't know how to play volleyball at the beginning of the anime, either - he knew the rules, but he had never formally learned how to play the sport or like, done drills or anything. So starting soccer/football would only be like putting Hinata's general skill-level back to the beginning of Season 1.
Meanwhile, being a spiker is a bit of a waste of Isagi's skillset. You could argue that he'd end up like a reverse-Hinata, just appearing where the ball is tossed to spike it perfectly like he does in soccer. But it would take him so, so long to figure out how to do that effectively, and he wouldn't necessarily have the physical ability to outplay any blockers. It would be far better to use his spacial awareness and innate sense of the flow of the game as a setter, but that's the most technically demanding position (aside from maybe libero), so it would be even slower for him to learn. Also, despite his relative underdog status, he was already one of the top soccer players in the country at the start of the show, which is how he even got into the Blue Lock. Having him start playing an entirely new sport would put him back so, so far in terms of technique.
Overall, Hinata would have such a faster and more optimal start at learning the new sport, and I think that would be more than enough to tip the scales in his favour. I have no doubt that Isagi would make an incredible volleyball player eventually, and in the long term, he may be the better athlete. But at least for the sake of the current characters in the anime, Hinata has it pretty much hands-down for me.
Did not consider how high Hinata’s head is relative to other players, good spot.
i disagree, IF we believe both animes in volleyball we have strenght in numbers (teamplay) and in football we need to be egoist. Hinata has the dawg in him to grind and be the best (he already has a great ego, and he plays as a team because it's what is most efficient in volleyball... but he would be okay with the change) but isagi's ego would KILL his volleyball career (think kageyama in his king of the court days)
Yeah , hinata can adapt while isagi can't for sure 😂😂, lad is using his neck to think
basically hinata doesn't need to adapt, isagi does and with his newfound ego he won't@@xxx_mouiz_xxx___7969
You do realise that Isagi INVENTED his own ego side because he was FORCED to in order to stay in the competition, with him being basically the equivalent of Oikawa when the Blue Lock anime started and during the first few episodes?
Not to mention your argument is based on the idea that the whole Ego-thing is representative of how football works, which is not true at all. The greatest strikers in modern football (and at all times actually) basically always knew when to pass the ball, or they had an entire team that did nothing but enabled them to score. Choose whoever you consider to be the best striker or in general best player today, have him stand at his own penalty spot, give him the ball and 10m of free space - and then watch him fail 995 outta 1000 times trying to get into a proper position to even attempt a goal without his teammates, that's not gonna work if you take teams of equal level. It will work if you put, idk, Messi against 11 teenage boys, but not against other top professional players.
Is it extremely unfair the leeway that Hinata was given that he Isagi was not in your comparison .you presumed that Hinata would be able to dribble at high speed and control the ball mid air with his upper torso and head. The vast majority of people do not in their daily life have to be dexterous with their chest head or feet to the point of being able to control a football he's going to struggle dramatically especially with his inability to adapt and his very linear play style. Hinata will find one aspect the game to play and he will maybe play that well but everything else he will lack in.
On the other hand Isagi has to just master hand control(which is much easier ) his vertical height doesn't matter that much if he has really good perception on top of having really good decision making if you can see everything clearly you can position players where you want them how you want them, and he will have deep understanding of everyone on the court.
Kenma from Nekoma is 5’6 and plays as a setter, I think HIMsagi will do just fine height wise. That would be my blueprint for the type of player he’ll be, although more aggressive and as the game goes on he gets better. Lose one set but win the next two.
i would say that Hinata fares better both in the short term and the long term. His vertical jump height is going to be beyond what anyone other than maybe Aryu can match, while his speed, agility, and stamina are all at a level that outshines the vast majority of the BL cast. While he would lack in skill, he gets much more time to take in the situation in soccer, as opposed to volleyball. Hinata is most likely on the same level as Isagi in terms of quick thinking, especially later on in Haikyuu. Short term, Hinata will be carried by his physicals, while Isagi will be crippled by them. In all likelihood, Isagi would be a benchwarmer early on.
Isagi's speed is almost definitely better than the other players he'd be facing in volleyball, but his jump height is so lacking that he wouldn't be able to effectively attack to make use of it, nor would he be able to block, and with his lack of volleyball technique, he couldn't manage as a libero or setter. As time passes, he'd get better, and would likely be best served as the setter, but the amount of time he'd get to hatch his plans would be so much shorter than he's used to, and would be so reliant on his teammates doing all the work, that i don't see it working well. Meanwhile, Hinata would be able to pick up on soccer much easier, due to it being an easier sport to develop the needed skills for. Isagi would never catch up to Hinata, while Hinata could almost certainly replicate the results Isagi has gotten in Blue Lock so far.
Also the fact that volleyball is so much harder to effectively learn. Like all the things you see volleyball players do, are skills that need to be sharpened enough to be effective on the court, and I speak from experience. Isagi would need to sharpen those skills whilst trying to keep up with the other players.
as someone who read all of Haikyuu and all of Blue Lock so far, I think in the long run it would end in a tie.
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While Isagi has a big brain and amazing adaptability, knowing how Hinata is able to master every single aspect of Volleyball in the last training arc of the manga, he develops spacial awareness and manipulates the other players to the point of becoming known as "Ninja Shoyo", to me he would pick up Isagi off the ball movements and meta vision, maybe at a slower rate than Isagi did but considering how much he's able to bulk up and still be fast and with great jumping ability by the end of the manga, I think you give Hinata too little credit.
Also if we're changing their positions its very likely Hinata would play as a wing insted of CMD of Striker as Isagi plays, as that would take advantage of his amazing speed, and if Isagi doesnt improve his jumping taking into account he's not the tallest player he could play libero too, he has good enough awareness to position himself in a way that he would be able to recive all types of spikes making use of his mind instead of pure reflex.
Isagi is actually very gifted technique wise... just not compared to other footballers. It's something that's obvious when you read his backstory.
Worded that wrong, I meant not compared to other footballers but compared to those who are born to have a ball at their feet.
As in he's got good technique but not world class?
@@LessonsFromAnimeHis physical aspects are always a problem for him. Take England vs Germany for example, when hiori passed him the ball at correct angle, his height became a problem, as he was few more inches short. Thus he is always one step short of reaching full potential
One of the biggest factors here is Isagi's ability to "devour" other players, sure without the same physicallity it won't be the same but he'll essentially have the same skills or better ones than the original because of this
As someone who’s on their 3rd maybe 4th year of playing volleyball, so so many people get confused with the difficulty level of volleyball, too many people think volleyball is just “hitting a ball” but it’s a ton more complex, and as someone who hasn’t actually been in a football team since primary school, I honestly found that my athletic improvements in volleyball helped me get some simple decent skill in football, I think both player would struggle in each sport but from my experience, I’ve been playing with very athletic football and basketball players in year 11 and they definitely cannot catch up when it comes to volleyball, so for me I think the overall athletic experience would help more with hinata, I think the younger you start a sport the more potential you have and the more you play a sport the more arrogance you have for expectation of another sport, I think the difference with hinata and issage is hinatas lack of experience wouldn’t stop him for trying to enjoy the game and carry on improving and isage could probably find it more difficult to enjoy something like volleyball when he’s going agains national level athletes that could slow down his development
In my opinion, intelligence gives u a serious advantage in any area of life-any sport, any career, anything rly. So long-term I think Isagi would be okay in volleyball, even if behind physically at the start. Hinata has the physical attributes and determination to excel in football, but personally I think that with the bigger field & hampered ability for him to feed off his teammates-he might struggle. Making the snap decisions of which way to run, how to best shake an opponent off, etc: A lot of what makes the sport is brains over brawn, and I feel like Hinata’s got everything going for him….except maybe some of the brains 😅
First of all thanks to be manga spoiler free
I think comparing Hinata to Loki is a bit of a stretch. His speed is up there compared to others but he's not completely outclassing majority of ppl. Many blockers can keep up with him very regularly. He's usually ahead of everyone because he moves first. It's more agility than pure speed. That's why I compare him to Zantetsu instead. Their crazy quick is really insane more so because of Kageyama than Hinata though Hinata is crucial to it. The speed of the ball being thrown is the main aspect that makes it insanely quick.
I can see hinata becoming a messi or a robben in football if he practises a lot.
Honestly I'll say this really depends on when we decide to pick Isagi or Hinata in their stories. The whole point of blue lock is that Japan locked the egos of players who had talent for the team. In Isagi's backstory his ego was locked during highschool not before so if we pick before highschool, his development would be more scoring and athelticism oriented while if we pick during highschool it would be more defensive and more setter oriented. If current story then it would also be scoring oriented and athleticism oriented but also more experienced in thinking of how to train to get better. If its before and early highschool arc hinata, he would get destroyed just due to him not understanding how to train his technique. But if it is later then he would grow exponentially and he would be fine but his experience would still hit him. Long term, they both would still excel due to their mindset.
Anyone saying isagi does better is just suffering from recency bias and doesn’t actually understand either character or sport.
The reason people think that isagi would be better because football in terms of technicality is harder
No you don't understand football. Hinata has 0 experience controlling a ball with his feet especially with defenders pressing. get real, he wouldn't even qualify for blue lock.
@@blacewest5999 that wasn’t the question bozo. It was who would do better than n the opposite sport, not would Hinata qualify for blue lock or isagi nationals. Learn some critical thinking and how to read.
@@imXenoid hinata wouldnt even be able to play with the average football player
@@imXenoid We aren’t going to act like that doesn’t mean swapping anime smooth brain. Come with a decent argument at least. And my point still stands he won’t be able to touch the ball without it getting stolen.
I think we should also consider that Blue lock has much less runtime even if we go by anime only, so we should take Hinata at season 1 for the comparison which probably increases Isagi’s chances, though I haven’t watched Haikyuu so I’m not sure.
Isagi is actually not slow thou, among other thing other commenters have said. There are a few instances. Against Nico, it starts with his read infront of his own goal, then the ball gets brought up, anbd when Batchira passes, everyone is shocked how the hell he all the way on the other side at the enemy goal, he ran down the whole field at the same speed the ball got to the other side, and the ball can be kicked up way faster normally. Also in the game against nagi when they go for the final goal, Isagi passes to Chigiri, and then is able to at least somewhat keep up with him to be in position for Chigiri to pass back to him for a potential one two play, if Chigiri completely leaves him in the dust, he wouldn't be able to be in that position for the one two.
He keeps saying how he lacks physical abilities, but evidence says otherwise when he gets into the zone, he can push himself past his limits.
I still play both sports and I can say that football is a lot harder then volleyball as there is a lot more difficulties as Blue lock is the greatest talents of Japan and Haikyuu is more a normal Highschool sport anime so Hinata would lose instantly football is more technical and I can say running speed is different then speed with dribbling along with other if he gets carried by the team then Hinata would get out in the second selection
Heres the thing. We are comparing Hinata as a striker to Isagi as a setter. This isn't really like for like. If we are doing true like for like, then Hinata would be a striker, and Isagi would be a middle blocker or wing spiker.
If we are picking optimal positions, then we can look at Isagi as a setter and look at we could look at Hinata in a position that he could be amazing at with his physical gifts such as a left wing back to a pure left back. It should also be noted that in the series, the main story for Hinata that is his first year or really training volleyball with an actual team and a rookie coach, and even then he went from a mediocre player to one of the most notable national players.
Also, its important to think about the kind of game played when looking at skills. Isagi's spatial awareness is a monster on the football field, however on a smaller volleyball court with only six players a piece with fixed positions and roles, this is not as big as an advantage and most high level setters have this ability. When considering his predictions, when on the football pitch his is amazing, gives him insight in the key pass to make and when to shoot, on the volleyball court, the predications come offensively or defensively, either predicting a block to make (which as mentioned Isagi's physical attributes might make it difficult) or offensively setting a spiker up. This style of predicting your opponents move when setting the ball is a similar skill to the majority of high level setters, therefore this is where Isagi would really shine.
Its kind of like comparing Isagi to Akashi from KKB, the sports are so different that you have to put it firmly in the context of the sport and level or sport played
I think you need to take account sa pace of the game, Nature of the game and the control of the ball.
The length of game and how long every plays lasts.
Nature of the game is completely different because of complete reliance to available route per scoring chances because of difference in count of the people in the field.
And how much can a person control the ball.
The argument i have against Isagi is playing volleyball will limit his mind because he needs to rely to his physical capabilities to keep up to his mind and how little the possible plays he can do because there's only 3 timings he can do and 5 different attackers at best.
Against hinata is he is too late, because running and jumping can't really do anything if he is not a threat. The difference maker is the goal keeper. He need to become good at shooting atleast before he have an effect to the game.
In the long run, hinata will become a threat as a forward and marking him will be hard because of his speed and jumping ability. The defense might crumble from his physical capabilities.
For Isagi, He will only become an average setter because thinking while setting is just the half of it and he can't affect every play as a setter in comparison on how much effect he can do in the football field.