"Damn." "How'd that kid get so strong?" "I ain't gonna let you see me die." "I won't give you the satisfaction of victory." "See ya, kid." "It looks like the student.. has finally surpassed.. the teacher...."
"How is it possible without the Monado?" "Face me. Stand and fight!" "Still got some fight in you then?" "I'm done, I'm going home." "Dickson!" "I just wanted the power of a god. This martyr's stuff's not for me."
The thing about Dickson is that, to the end, he’s deceptive. First he pretends to be your friend, when really he’s just doing it for Zanza. Then he pretends not to care about you... but that’s not truthful either, because not only is he afraid of Shulk, he’s PROUD of him. Even his relationship with Dunban wasn’t entirely faked, as it would have been only too easy for Dickson to just let him die and remove another ally for Shulk. Instead, one of the first things we see Dickson do is save Dunban’s life. Dickson is really a pretty tragic character. He was just a fighter. He was a cunning liar, with no scruples and few morals... but he still held enough love to respect those he was entrusted.
People overlook the fact that Dickson mutters to himself, under his breath where no one can hear him, “I kinda feel bad lying to that kid” in Satori Marsh
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 I really wish they didn't put that line into the game. It's such blatantly obvious foreshadowing, and the only reason you wouldn't expect Dickson to eventually betray you somehow afterwards is if you forget he says that. In my opinion, the rest of his foreshadowing is much more well done than him being so blatantly obvious about it.
@@michaelmcdonald2005 Not really. That line could’ve meant any number of things, including the fact that Dickson said he was heading back to colony 9, when he actually went to Alcamoth, hence, a deception. Nobody saw Dickson’s betrayal coming until much later, in chapter 15. There’s nothing about that chapter 6 line, in context, that says “I’m definitely going to betray these people.”
@@maxrichards3881 When I first played the game that line stuck out like a sore thumb. I thought it was out of character for him and I immediately became suspicious. At least for that moment. I didn't think much of it later on but it was always at the back of my head until the reveal.
SPOILERS I think my favorite thing about this game is Dickson's death because of the conflicting emotions during it. After his betrayal, he reveals he never cared for Shulk or Dunban, he has no redeeming traits at all, and he's essentially a complete monster at that point. By all means, you should enjoy kicking his ass for what he did. I was looking forward to it on my first playthrough. But when you do kill him, it's not satisfying. There's no powerful final blow like Mumkhar getting impaled or Xord exploding, yet he's not like Egil where you can argue he's not that bad a person. His fight is pretty easy, even compared to those in Prison Island itself, so it's not especially fun to defeat him. When he's killed, the music is sad, as if he were performing some heroic sacrifice as opposed to just angrily giving up like he does. Dickson is an awful monster of a person, who wanted to see Mechonis destroyed, shot Shulk in the back, and lied to everyone for YEARS just to get power. By all means, killing him should feel as good, if not better, than doing so to Mumkhar or Lorithia - but it doesn't. It's such an amazing way to sum up who he is: he's such an emotionally manipulative and scummy piece of trash that he won't even let YOU, the player, feel good about killing him.
SPOILERS Though it's just as much of an insight on Shulk in this particular scene. This is shulk's feelings put into song. He is sad that things have turned out like this, somber in the notion and decision what he is about willingly cut down, out of his life: Dickson, the man who raised him and was basically his father. But for the sake the world, he has to hurt him, kill him if he must, for everyone else's survival. He has to push down his emotions and attachment to dickson if he has any chance to stop him. The burden is a heavy one; worse, it was something Dickson could not be talked out of or guilt tripped into changing his mind.
*SPOILER WARNING* To think of the tragic moments and twists that were paired with this song. I could be wrong about some of these, but the Fiora twist, Dickson and Zanza revealing themselves, the High Entia transforming into Telethia. Damn the end of this game was crazy.
Spoilers I loved the amount of plot twists in my first playthrough recently. You always thought about killing Egil to prevent the destruction of the Bionis. But after getting to know what actually happened when you’re in Agniratha, you get a complete different view on the plot. After defeating Egil, it completely twisted into another direction with the true revealing of Zanza and therefore Dickson, Alvis and Lorithia. The emotions and relationships among the party got extremely special and it felt so satisfying to see all this and finally understanding the true power of the Monado and the whole plot. This games story got better and better, as the game progressed and the ending is truly wonderful. What a game
Spoilers "I realized, that we both share the same pain. Egil, I don't have any reason to kill you." "Even if you do not, I still do." "I know, but I won't do it." "If you do not stop me now, my blade will annihilate every last one of your people. Even then?" "I can't kill you, but I can stop your blade. And I'll do it over and over again till... we understand each other... okay?"
Linkalot Even after causing so much devastation to both civilizations, Egil believes he has done nothing wrong, and accuses the being he looked up to for so long of betraying everyone who worshipped her.
This is one of the most memorable tracks in the game for me, along with a few others. Entire song is amazing, but it is especially great starting at the 2:20 mark.
SPOILERS "Egil. I wish to see that the people of Bionis and the people of Mechonis live in peace and harmony and take care of one another. I wish this for the future of our descendants." "Yes. I too desire this, Arglas."
“You feelin hungry big boy? Then chew on this, scrap for brains!” “Would you kill a Homs to beat us?” “I won’t stop until I’ve scrapped EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU!!” “I want you to kill Egil.” “Egil only ever wanted to break the cycle.” “KILL HIM! IT IS WHAT YOU WANT, ISNT IT?” “Meyneth, the villagers still cared for you. That is why they wished to live alongside you. It’s all so clear now, both to Meyneth, and to me.”
One thing that always kinda bothered me about this story that I otherwise love, is Dickson’s turn. Of course, there was foreshadowing, but it always just felt a bit off to me. He goes from a caring-uncle type to a complete mustache-twirling villain so quickly. That said, I think it kind of makes his death so poignant. It’s not really satisfying, you’re not really happy to have beaten him. Killing him is just incidental to get to Zanza. The fact that he DOES turn so evil so quickly is maybe part of what makes his death good. You’re just like “man, what the fuck”. Why did this have to happen.
He doesn't... if you replay the game, knowing what he is... then you see all the throwaway comments he makes throughout his appearances that heavily foreshadow his actions. He's throwing out hints throughout the game that he wasn't what you thought he was, but then it also makes his betrayal all the more shocking when you get there the first time... you thought he was someone you can rely on. It's really well crafted in my opinion. For first time players of the game - it's a wtf moment... for veteran players you notice all the subtle hints that been dropped about his nature.
Waraila wildrunner well that’s not really what I said, is it? I acknowledged that there’s foreshadowing. The one in Satorl marsh in particular is actually a little uncomfortably obvious in my opinion. It’s just that it doesn’t really make sense. Him being on the side of the bad guys is fine, but the way his personality does a 180 isn’t, really. Once he shoots shulk, he’s not even a sympathetic villain. He’s just an annoying asshole. Like I said, he feels like a mustache-twirling cartoon villain from the 60’s. There’s nothing redeeming about him. It just doesn’t fall in line with how he acted the rest of the game, and it doesn’t make him an interesting character. “Good Guy is now bad for... reasons”. You never really see him regret his actions, he only seems vaguely sad when he dies, it just feels awkward. It’s super easy from a storytelling perspective to just say “oh look, this guy is evil now!” and have the personality do a complete 180. It’s not amazing writing, and it always felt like a copout to me. I’m okay with the idea of Dickson being evil but I don’t like how it was handled. It’s probably my least favorite aspect of a story that I otherwise love so much
@@MrStarman926 Thing is, the foreshadowing also shows he does care about the team, but given he is been working for the bad guys throughout means he can't stop... he has loyalty to zanza. And he does regret it in the end..
@@warailawildrunner5300 heavy spoilers of course i strongly agree. He is the opposite of Shulk. He believe that he cannot escape his fate wich is staying loyal to Zanza until the end. He once wanted the power of a god, and but the martyr stuff he talks about? It's not dying from shulk. No. It is having to act evil to the people he loves. that's the conclusion i've come to.
Shimomura Yoko had a hand in this soundtrack. No wonder it sounds similar to the FFXV’s Somnus variations I love so much. I never have difficulty in recognizing her music.
She didn't make this track. Most of her contributions were for the beginning of the game. The title music, the music during the battle of sword valley, the colony 9 & hometown themes, shulk & Fiora, and the standard battle theme. Aside from those early tracks, she also made unfinished business and the credits theme. That's about it according to the xenoblade wiki
@@BoaFerox the original and this were composed mainly by Kiyota, but Yoko is mentioned numerous times in helping compose the orchestral versions, and the fact that there's a heavy emphasis on Violin shows it. I mean come on, Time To Fight is LITERALLY now just a kingdom hearts song.
@@drakath5727 This is the original version of the song though, isn't it? It's one of the tracks that didn't get a remaster. I'm just looking at who is listed as the composer for each track in the soundtrack CDs pamphlet, Time to Fight was always listed as a song composed by Yoko Shimomura.
This sorta reminds me of Our paths may Never Cross. It's actually a really good song, but the context and the story behind it sorta taints it a bit. It doesn't ruin it it just sorta makes me less inclined to listen to it
Ok why the hell does this song's name sound like a Kingdom Hearts sentence? I get Yoko composed a lot of the music especially in the original, but don't you think that name is a LITTLE ON THE NOSE there?
![Colony 9 (Night) - Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition OST [045] [DE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NYtyWxE-ilw/mqdefault.jpg)
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![Gaur Plain - Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition OST [048] [DE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LFrZo963D0s/mqdefault.jpg)
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- This track was NOT remastered -
They didn't need to. It was already good for what the scenario was.
Shulk knew Dickson will die, we can see his lips trembling. God, DE is so good at showing a person's emotion.
That scene hit really hard.
Tbf we could already see that in the original, but yeah
there's also egil's trembling hand when this song plays in agniratha
That detail was really good
Too bad the rest of a scene was a stereotypical shonen simp for the main character crap but men. 10/10 gamr
@@ArbitraryZer0101shonen simp huh?
"Damn."
"How'd that kid get so strong?"
"I ain't gonna let you see me die."
"I won't give you the satisfaction of victory."
"See ya, kid."
"It looks like the student.. has finally surpassed.. the teacher...."
Satisfaction cancel
Even the death of a jackass traitor can hit you right where it hurts.
Max Richards that is true to the Core m8
Forsyth _/{•_•_/} EGIL DID NOTHING WRONG
Shulk... His wounds...
"You have used the monado well. But do you honestly believe you are its master?"
"How is it possible without the Monado?"
"Face me. Stand and fight!"
"Still got some fight in you then?"
"I'm done, I'm going home."
"Dickson!"
"I just wanted the power of a god. This martyr's stuff's not for me."
"Go! I ain't gonna risk my life to stop ya."
"Get back here!" "You expect us to let you go!" "What?"
“Enough. It’s Zanza we’re after. Not him”
"Ok.."
“Damn. How’d that kid get so strong?”
The thing about Dickson is that, to the end, he’s deceptive. First he pretends to be your friend, when really he’s just doing it for Zanza. Then he pretends not to care about you... but that’s not truthful either, because not only is he afraid of Shulk, he’s PROUD of him. Even his relationship with Dunban wasn’t entirely faked, as it would have been only too easy for Dickson to just let him die and remove another ally for Shulk. Instead, one of the first things we see Dickson do is save Dunban’s life. Dickson is really a pretty tragic character. He was just a fighter. He was a cunning liar, with no scruples and few morals... but he still held enough love to respect those he was entrusted.
People overlook the fact that Dickson mutters to himself, under his breath where no one can hear him, “I kinda feel bad lying to that kid” in Satori Marsh
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 I really wish they didn't put that line into the game. It's such blatantly obvious foreshadowing, and the only reason you wouldn't expect Dickson to eventually betray you somehow afterwards is if you forget he says that. In my opinion, the rest of his foreshadowing is much more well done than him being so blatantly obvious about it.
@@michaelmcdonald2005 Ngl when I first heard that I thought he just meant he didn't think they were gonna succeed and forgot about it haha
@@michaelmcdonald2005
Not really. That line could’ve meant any number of things, including the fact that Dickson said he was heading back to colony 9, when he actually went to Alcamoth, hence, a deception.
Nobody saw Dickson’s betrayal coming until much later, in chapter 15. There’s nothing about that chapter 6 line, in context, that says “I’m definitely going to betray these people.”
@@maxrichards3881 When I first played the game that line stuck out like a sore thumb. I thought it was out of character for him and I immediately became suspicious. At least for that moment. I didn't think much of it later on but it was always at the back of my head until the reveal.
SPOILERS
I think my favorite thing about this game is Dickson's death because of the conflicting emotions during it. After his betrayal, he reveals he never cared for Shulk or Dunban, he has no redeeming traits at all, and he's essentially a complete monster at that point. By all means, you should enjoy kicking his ass for what he did. I was looking forward to it on my first playthrough.
But when you do kill him, it's not satisfying. There's no powerful final blow like Mumkhar getting impaled or Xord exploding, yet he's not like Egil where you can argue he's not that bad a person. His fight is pretty easy, even compared to those in Prison Island itself, so it's not especially fun to defeat him. When he's killed, the music is sad, as if he were performing some heroic sacrifice as opposed to just angrily giving up like he does.
Dickson is an awful monster of a person, who wanted to see Mechonis destroyed, shot Shulk in the back, and lied to everyone for YEARS just to get power. By all means, killing him should feel as good, if not better, than doing so to Mumkhar or Lorithia - but it doesn't. It's such an amazing way to sum up who he is: he's such an emotionally manipulative and scummy piece of trash that he won't even let YOU, the player, feel good about killing him.
MORE SPOILERS
There's also a bit of a sad tone because you've killed Shulk's father figure who has grown with Shulk for years.
SPOILERS
Though it's just as much of an insight on Shulk in this particular scene.
This is shulk's feelings put into song. He is sad that things have turned out like this, somber in the notion and decision what he is about willingly cut down, out of his life: Dickson, the man who raised him and was basically his father. But for the sake the world, he has to hurt him, kill him if he must, for everyone else's survival. He has to push down his emotions and attachment to dickson if he has any chance to stop him. The burden is a heavy one; worse, it was something Dickson could not be talked out of or guilt tripped into changing his mind.
Damn, the feels right now.
If anything, he was just thinking of himself. Hence, "I just wanted the power of a god". He wasn't even loyal to Zanza at the end
He didn't give you the satisfaction of victory
*SPOILER WARNING*
To think of the tragic moments and twists that were paired with this song. I could be wrong about some of these, but the Fiora twist, Dickson and Zanza revealing themselves, the High Entia transforming into Telethia. Damn the end of this game was crazy.
Spoilers
I loved the amount of plot twists in my first playthrough recently. You always thought about killing Egil to prevent the destruction of the Bionis. But after getting to know what actually happened when you’re in Agniratha, you get a complete different view on the plot. After defeating Egil, it completely twisted into another direction with the true revealing of Zanza and therefore Dickson, Alvis and Lorithia. The emotions and relationships among the party got extremely special and it felt so satisfying to see all this and finally understanding the true power of the Monado and the whole plot. This games story got better and better, as the game progressed and the ending is truly wonderful. What a game
"I'm gone! I'm going home!"
Yeah, you can rest now, Dickson...
Spoilers
"I realized, that we both share the same pain. Egil, I don't have any reason to kill you."
"Even if you do not, I still do."
"I know, but I won't do it."
"If you do not stop me now, my blade will annihilate every last one of your people. Even then?"
"I can't kill you, but I can stop your blade. And I'll do it over and over again till... we understand each other... okay?"
Egil, I don’t have any reason to kill you.
Even if you do not, I still do!
@@mindshuffler3332 I know... but I won't do it...
If you do not kill me now, my blade will destroy every last one of your people. Even then?
The "its all gone to shit" track
I will never get the image of Egil's energy ball exploding at the shrine out of my head.
@@maxrichards3881 yep lmao
Linkalot
Even after causing so much devastation to both civilizations, Egil believes he has done nothing wrong, and accuses the being he looked up to for so long of betraying everyone who worshipped her.
@@maxrichards3881 very true.
DIIIIIIIEEEEE!
(Signals to buddies & flies off)
Get back here!
NOOOOOOO!
Absolutely painful, and that was the point.
This is one of the most memorable tracks in the game for me, along with a few others. Entire song is amazing, but it is especially great starting at the 2:20 mark.
This song is one of the best in my opinion, it never needed a remastered, this along with many other songs still give me chills to this day
"Why didn't you do it? Killing me could have saved your world."
"Mechonis! It is I, Egil!
I, your devoted servant, offer my body and mind
to replace Meyneth as your new soul.
Take my spirit, and be reawakened."
SPOILERS
"Egil. I wish to see that the people of Bionis and the people of Mechonis live in peace and harmony and take care of one another. I wish this for the future of our descendants."
"Yes. I too desire this, Arglas."
“Kallian! Dickson, he works for the Bionis, he shot Shulk in the back!”
“You feelin hungry big boy? Then chew on this, scrap for brains!”
“Would you kill a Homs to beat us?”
“I won’t stop until I’ve scrapped EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU!!”
“I want you to kill Egil.”
“Egil only ever wanted to break the cycle.”
“KILL HIM! IT IS WHAT YOU WANT, ISNT IT?”
“Meyneth, the villagers still cared for you. That is why they wished to live alongside you. It’s all so clear now, both to Meyneth, and to me.”
One thing that always kinda bothered me about this story that I otherwise love, is Dickson’s turn. Of course, there was foreshadowing, but it always just felt a bit off to me. He goes from a caring-uncle type to a complete mustache-twirling villain so quickly.
That said, I think it kind of makes his death so poignant. It’s not really satisfying, you’re not really happy to have beaten him. Killing him is just incidental to get to Zanza.
The fact that he DOES turn so evil so quickly is maybe part of what makes his death good. You’re just like “man, what the fuck”. Why did this have to happen.
He doesn't... if you replay the game, knowing what he is... then you see all the throwaway comments he makes throughout his appearances that heavily foreshadow his actions.
He's throwing out hints throughout the game that he wasn't what you thought he was, but then it also makes his betrayal all the more shocking when you get there the first time... you thought he was someone you can rely on.
It's really well crafted in my opinion. For first time players of the game - it's a wtf moment... for veteran players you notice all the subtle hints that been dropped about his nature.
Waraila wildrunner well that’s not really what I said, is it? I acknowledged that there’s foreshadowing. The one in Satorl marsh in particular is actually a little uncomfortably obvious in my opinion.
It’s just that it doesn’t really make sense. Him being on the side of the bad guys is fine, but the way his personality does a 180 isn’t, really. Once he shoots shulk, he’s not even a sympathetic villain. He’s just an annoying asshole. Like I said, he feels like a mustache-twirling cartoon villain from the 60’s. There’s nothing redeeming about him. It just doesn’t fall in line with how he acted the rest of the game, and it doesn’t make him an interesting character. “Good Guy is now bad for... reasons”.
You never really see him regret his actions, he only seems vaguely sad when he dies, it just feels awkward. It’s super easy from a storytelling perspective to just say “oh look, this guy is evil now!” and have the personality do a complete 180. It’s not amazing writing, and it always felt like a copout to me. I’m okay with the idea of Dickson being evil but I don’t like how it was handled. It’s probably my least favorite aspect of a story that I otherwise love so much
@@MrStarman926 Thing is, the foreshadowing also shows he does care about the team, but given he is been working for the bad guys throughout means he can't stop... he has loyalty to zanza. And he does regret it in the end..
@@warailawildrunner5300 heavy spoilers of course
i strongly agree. He is the opposite of Shulk. He believe that he cannot escape his fate wich is staying loyal to Zanza until the end. He once wanted the power of a god, and but the martyr stuff he talks about? It's not dying from shulk. No. It is having to act evil to the people he loves. that's the conclusion i've come to.
@@oursinpacifique8269
So, Dickson is Malos's prototype?
Shimomura Yoko had a hand in this soundtrack. No wonder it sounds similar to the FFXV’s Somnus variations I love so much. I never have difficulty in recognizing her music.
She didn't make this track. Most of her contributions were for the beginning of the game.
The title music, the music during the battle of sword valley, the colony 9 & hometown themes, shulk & Fiora, and the standard battle theme.
Aside from those early tracks, she also made unfinished business and the credits theme. That's about it according to the xenoblade wiki
@@dugtrioramen Yeah, this Manami Kiyota's work I think. She did half of the game's soundtrack
One of the most emotionally powerful tracks in the game. Still gives me chills years later.
kinda strange that this is called *Rage*, Darkness of the Heart, when it's really more of the 'sad moment' music
Wish this one got remastered
Can't remaster a masterpiece
Rwesthuis idk i think it could use more natural sounding strings these are just slightly jarring
@@squidyouknow that's the point, it's a jarring feeling, I think it's perfect, completely pissed you off like it should
Why did they remove the the drums or whatever they had near the middle of ‘Intrigue’.
It's crazy that they remixed this into the intro of a battle theme for the Cadensia Region in XC3
theres a drum sound in this track that is so quiet, i thought it was my own heartbeat as i held my breath to hear it
Yeah i also found it very heartbreaking that Shulk had to watch his entire kingdom be taken over by the Empire of Mechonis.
I really like this soundtrack when Egil start blasting with the giant robot.
Mechonis. Take my soul and feel my wraht.
What a Kingdom Hearts title
Spoilers
"Lorithia! Stop this!!"
"your highness, the Telethia is a High Entia's true form, don't blame poor old me"
"now, AWAKEN MY DARLING *PETS* !!"
was this by yoko? sounds VERY ffxv
This one is by Manami Kiyota.
@@BoaFerox the original and this were composed mainly by Kiyota, but Yoko is mentioned numerous times in helping compose the orchestral versions, and the fact that there's a heavy emphasis on Violin shows it. I mean come on, Time To Fight is LITERALLY now just a kingdom hearts song.
@@drakath5727 This is the original version of the song though, isn't it? It's one of the tracks that didn't get a remaster. I'm just looking at who is listed as the composer for each track in the soundtrack CDs pamphlet, Time to Fight was always listed as a song composed by Yoko Shimomura.
Only song she's done are the title theme and Shulk and Fiora
@@sLasHeRxXx07 thats a lie. Time To Fight was originally composed by Yoko as well.
Do your research before making such assumptions.
This sorta reminds me of Our paths may Never Cross. It's actually a really good song, but the context and the story behind it sorta taints it a bit. It doesn't ruin it it just sorta makes me less inclined to listen to it
Why does this sound like a song from ffxv
Or... other way round since this came first
Might be the same composer - could be worth checking
Shulk…. His wounds….
Ok why the hell does this song's name sound like a Kingdom Hearts sentence? I get Yoko composed a lot of the music especially in the original, but don't you think that name is a LITTLE ON THE NOSE there?
this was composed by Manami Kyota, no Yoko involved
Shulk: You want to know why you're not in smash, Dickson? Because you're a terrible person!
Ils sont ou les français srx ? Ni a t'il pas de fan de xc en France 🥺
Si ✌️
@@legangdespigeons sa me rassure