@@eimajvl So if Lebron was drafted with Wade and Bosh it would have been different ? I don’t understand why we make this difference, at the end of the day its the same thing except the players who were drafted by the teams like Curry, Klay and Draymond could actually build chemistry since the beginning of their career unlike Lebron and other superteams formed with trade and free agency who had to create that chemistry in 1 season. Guys like Curry, Magic, Kobe or KD were lucky to have MVP level players on the team that drafted them, Lebron didn’t have that luxury and MJ had to wait 4 years to play with a rookie Pippen.
So do I. Even when Marcellus was wrong, he still had some personality. I just can't get into Shady's takes. His personality seems a little bland. I wonder whether the show's ratings are better or worse now than before?
Correct me if I’m wrong but those days of winning championships by yourself never existed. Though many MJ fans like Skip Bayless would lead you to believe MJ did it by himself.
They weren't a contender because of their injuries. Cp3 goes down, then Book goes down. When your stars are out of the lineup you lose. Now that they're getting healthy, they're winning.
Mane preach I don’t understand why they want kd to win by himself because NO ONE wins by themselves. Did bird win a championship without Parrish mchale and Johnson ? Did Magic win without Kareem worthy? Etc cmon basketball is a team sport not individual sport
Gonna have to side with Ric and Acho on this one. I don't know why Shady is so adamant about his stance when it's really not all that correct, same with Joy.
Shady won 2 rings while he was not Shady and just a guy on 2 great teams so he has to take this stance because it tarnishes his rings if he admits that you can ride coattails to championship on ready made teams
Shady is always trying to stick up for KD. And I'm not sure why they give Acho 2 (3 when the other guy is on) co-hosts who almost never agree with him on basketball debates and are soft when critiquing players.
Hakeem, Dirk, Giannis, and even MJ got it out the mud. They stayed with the same team for years went through multiple first and second round losses and prevailed to finally winning. That boosts their legacy way above KD’s solely because of the fact that he couldn’t do that with OKC or BK
All those guys you named had atleast 1 other star in the starting lineup before they made it to the promised land. As great as MJ was he never won a ring without Scottie Pippen. Championship Franchises that are considered dynasties have always been loaded.
KD deserves his credit in OKC. He took a team to the finals and made multiple WCF with Westbrook as his teammate. No other star player could say that. LeBron couldn't even make the play in tournaments with Westbrook.
Shady and joy are delusional if they think the “all stars” with the bucks, raptors, etc are anywhere near playing with 2 hall of fame all time top players
It’s definitely not the “mud” as they were trying to make it seem tho. Jrue, Middleton with the supporting cast Milwaukee had plus any top flight player will be a great team with a chance to win the chip. The Raptors were winning 50+ games consistently and won 60 plus one year. All they did was swap Derozan for a top 5 player. Kawhi literally came into a ready made situation 😂
@@TyTheGreatest i agree it’s not like the raptors were trash but they couldn’t get past the 2nd round and ended up trading their best player to get Lenard, their best player left was kyle Lowry who’s …fine. That’s light years from joining a 73 win team that just went to the finals and has curry, klay, green, iguodala you’re talking 2 all timers and maybe 2 more hall of fames
@@kelseywalker2342 You’re focused on the fact that Lowry was the best player on that team instead of focusing on the fact that they kept the whole team in tact. Lowry, Siakam, Ibaka, Van Vleet, OG, Gasol, Norman Powell, Valanciunas, CJ miles etc. All they did was replace DeRozan with somebody 10x better. Not to mention Danny Green came over in the trade as well. GS kept Steph, Klay, Dray, Iggy and Livingston when they brought KD in. Looking at it like “KD joined a 73-9 team” is not even valid fr because they literally only kept 5 players from that 73-9 team
I mean when you add a top 3 talent to a team it changes a lot how you look at the rest of the team… the Raptors were a joke of a contender then added Kawhi. Completely changed the dialogue. Take Bron off those Cavs teams and how you think people would be talking about the Kyrie and Love Cavs?? Take Giannis off the Bucks etc…
If you want an answer the list is 1 player, and 1 only, of players who did it with 0 All Star teammates. Hakeem Olajuwon in 1993-1994. That is the only one.
It is not about discrediting Durant. It is about Durant wants to be view as one of those greatest NBA talents. He wants to be on the same level as MJ, Lebron, etc. When you are on that level then you have to let people nitpick your career.
@@sportsavant2937 LeBron has selected his franchises and teammates for the last 13 years and has had influence over coaching decisions. How are his championships more valid than Durant's?
And if you like somebody you will always find a way to credit them. People use certain takes for certain players and then say that doesn’t count for the next.
There is no hate. This ring wouldn't be respected, you can't be considered a top 10 player when your only rings are from sliding into other ppls teams. No other top 10 player is like that. It's not about doing it yourself. Shaq meant building it. KD ain't build nothing. The only time he built something blew up in BKN because he didn't lead it. PHX and GSW he just slide in to something already built.
@Jackson Jackson Shaq had been there for like 2 or 3 years before they won, he didn't just slide in to a ready made....BUT... sure lets say he did. Shaq: 1 or 4 rings KD: 2 of 2 rings. 🤔
Rick would did his homework he would know the Raptors had the best record in the East the season before they trade for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire that same season.
@Kerry Johnson Yupp and they were 2nd the 2 years before that.. I don't respect Kawhi's 19' run that much. But I'd respect KD's less because Kawhi couldn't/didn't choose. KD specifically chose PHX.
@@Killa_Kamz yeah, but they could trade KD anywhere if they wanted too. Irving wanted to go to the Lakers and the team trade him to Dallaa. KD should get more credit if the Suns win the championship then he did with the Warriors. The Nets organization are terrible. KD wanted both coach and GM fire and the owner kept the GM for some reason. He made of the worst trade in NBA history last season.
I really feel like it Devin Booker is the leader of the sun he didn’t get it till traded to another team he stayed on that team since the first day he got in the NBA he didn’t do like Kevin Durant going to a super team just the weather ring but I give Kevin Durant one thing he is a very good score but it is not his team is Devin Booker
Yep. KD wasn't a bus driver on Suns. Oh 2 years ago Sun's was in the WC finals. Thank goodness CP3 was there 😅 anything they'll make up some reason to HATE. People follow media narratives. All Media does get big name to say something negative and it's over
after the choke ob cp3 and booker pulled against the mavs last year... ppl. should get punished for saying that... if the suns win a chip... its all KD!
He has more to loose because if he wins with this team it’s the same narrative of him joining a team with an established culture. If he looses then it’s all bad and it’s gonna reinforce the narrative of him not being able to do it without GSW. It’s not about being the best player anymore for KD it’s about leading a team and being the “bus driver” that’ll gain him the most legacy points imo
@@domsensei5 joy is so wrong in okc he literally played with hall of famers there she acts like he didn’t have players. Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka all were there.
It’s different than joining golden state vs the suns golden state wasn’t just a 73 win team it was a team that should’ve won the title before he got there and won a title after he left there but the suns aren’t winning a chip without KD yes you do get more points for getting something the hard way
Lol, KD was traded to the suns and they are already discarding the ring he has not even won while Lebron left Cleveland to team up with Wade and Bosh but his 2 rings count. Also, Lebron left Miami when their key players were struggling with injuries to team up with Kyrie and Kevin Love and won a ring, they say the ring is the greatest ring, lol. These are the greatest clowns on planet earth
Its not suffering joi 😂😂 i honestly believe kd can lead his own team to a championship but he doesnt want to and he failed at that in okc and brkln..thats the problem
So who’s getting past a prime bron or a 73 win golden state team those teams were better better constructed top to bottom don’t think that is an indictment on kd
@Cozy Ay3 the answer to your question is Kd with his own team or kawhi with his own team (which he actually did win).its ok for kd to have all stars and even superstars on his team but he shouldnt have joined an already made championship team
Joy was right about Kawhi to the Raptors. They had the best record in the east the season before they traded for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire.
@@jalynjones9136 I wouldn't say it's irrelevant. When he went to the Warriors that was one of the main reasons sports media didn't like it. Yes it put the Warriors over but he joined the team that beat his team in the playoffs the previous year. They brought up Kawhi asking what was difference between the two this is one of those reasons.
I doubt most fans think about Emmanuel Acho's point: Kevin Durant joined the 73-win team in Golden State, and NOW he's joining the winningest team over the last 2 years in Phoenix. You can argue with Acho, but facts are facts. He even made the point that KD's attributes are unquestioned. Once you think about the teams KD has joined, you will think less of his accomplishments.
Underachieved at the nets. But to be fair that whole organisation was mishandled from the moment he joined. Kyrie too many off court issues. James Harden’s move didn’t work. Surprised the move happened. Nets looked good under the new coach.
Joy FFS KD has never had to suffer. Him being on Brooklyn with Kyrie was HIS choice not anyone else’s. It was HIS choice to go to GS, her narrative of “suffering” does not apply to KD.
Ric and Acho were winning till the last part. Kawhi Leonard got more credit because he gave a team their first championship in franchise history. That being said, Kevin has more to gain if he gave Phoenix their first championship in franchise history. The goal was to never get a team out of the mud and win them a title. KDs goal was can he win a championship without Steph Curry
100% agree with you on that last part. But I can’t agree with anything Acho the hater and Ric said. If Kd wins a title this season, he easily moves in the top 10 of all time.
In contrast to Rick Bucher's comments, Kevin Durant has absolutely everything to lose if the Suns don't at least get to the NBA Finals. He's been criticized for joining a 73 win team, while he was the first or second best player in the NBA, so the thought is that he has problems leading a talented team to a ring.
Only problem with that is KD never joined a 73/9 team. 😆. Just another media spin to HATE. KD was recruited Begged to come to GSW. So they broke up a 73/9 team that LOST. To get KD when his contract was up with OKC who was getting worse trading everyone and keeping Westbrick. People so gullible 😆
nah.People calling the Suns a superteam are only showing how great they think KD is. they scared..haters that said Paul was washed, Booker wasn’t a winner before Paul, and Ayton was overrated, now hollering it’s a super team. 🤦🏾♂
Nobody wins alone in a team sport, nobody even wins alone in individual sports either since each of those athletes HAD to have some level of support to reach that far. We need to stop acting like players of the past were doing it all alone.
@@tyriantaylor711 Umm yes they've been doing it for years now. Pretty much ever sense Lebron and Dwade started this mess years ago. Where you been. Lol
Jordan won when he got 1 other all star Curry won when he got 1 more all star Giannis won when he got 1 more all star Kobe won with Pau gasol as his 2nd best player Lebron & KD need 2 and 3/4 all stars minimum to win its levels
KD tried to do like lebron and go and build his own team and win a chip and went to Brooklyn for 4 years and couldn’t even get past second round. So he did what he did with golden state and joined best team record wise.
Joy so wrong it's ridiculous. Lol. Nobody forgets what he did in OKC. He didn't win. What he did in OKC made him a top 10 player all time. Winning catapults him further. Stop being difficult for the sake of it.
KD did something no other player did so far. Went to the finals with Westbrook as his teammate. Rick would did his homework he would know the Raptors had the best record in the East the season before they trade for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire that same season.
@@kerryjohnson8 Yeah Kd also Played with a Different version and Prime russ Thats a big difference ppl using now to make it seem like russ was always bad and Kd played with the Best versions of Russ
This so funny cause literally NOBODY was picking Phoenix to win the Chip before KD got traded there now he’s SUPPOSED to win the Chip cause he’s in Phoenix 😂🤦🏽♂️
She is actually saying him playing in okc was in the mud but giannis wasnt with the bucks lol i cant with some of these people. Giannis beat the suns by himself, even luka had more help last year jalen was a beast and his 3 pt shooters stepped up big time. As a suns fan i was happy for giannis, he is truly an amazing talent and a great dude.
@@bangladeshirealtor yeah because of him, without him they wouldnt be considered, chris is like 20+ out of 32 starting sg in the league, holiday is great but hardly an all star and his load as a pg is very small giannis and chris manage the offence as much as he does. Also its a usage rate thing rewatch his finals its probably a top 5 finals showing ever from a player. Im not saying this to hate on KD, KD is amazing i just think her arguement is weird seeing as how insane okc young core was.
@@travis1258 regardless of the core….it’s hard to win with a primary ball handler like westbrook . proof is in the pudding . harden wasn’t allowed to thrive to his full potential on that team . those guys in milwaukee are great players on their own . Holiday was proven before he got there . Middleton is a supremely skilled isolation player . Giannis isn’t making him better , that guy can get his own shot off . On a lower end team he can get 25-30 ppg in todays NBA . Giannis is an amazing player tho no one can question him.
She mentioned LeBron didn’t do it, but he went back to his old team and got a championship so she should’ve never compare Kevin Durant to LeBron and I’m standing on that when Kevin Durant go back to his old team, OKC thunders and won a championship and go back to the Brooklyn Nets and get a championship. That’s the one I put some respect on his name
this, I mean the only difference is that okc isnt his hometown team like clevland was with bron. but okc has plenty of assets that they could surround KD with talent to be competitive, they have 12 first rounders in the next 4 drafts. plus a lot of young talent. no reason they couldnt have made a deal if durant had wanted to come back. KD to the suns proves he knows he cant build a team like lebron did. he failed with kyrie and now hes going to a team with structure just like the warriors. and thats a right hes earned for himself with his play, but we then ask questions about whos driving the bus.
@@l0chness that was his first basketball team, and the NBA after he got beat by a Golden State Warriors when he was on the OKC thunders, he left to go to a superstar team no cap I watch him play on OKC thunders
it's just hard for people to put respect on KD's name when he went & joined a team that had won a title before him & then that same team went & won a title after him. he is always the best player on any team he joins, but he was not needed on that warriors roster for them to get the job done. i think if he was able to win a title with the nets, a team that hasn't made the finals in forever, people would've finally gave him his flowers to the same level they do with kawhi & giannis. the suns were just in the finals 2 years ago without KD, so i'm not sure how much credit he will really be given if they do make it again
We are forgetting the fact that when kd went to the warriors, he went as a free agent so they didn't have to give up anyone to get him. He's been traded to the sun's so they had to give up key pieces to get kd. So yes kd will get a ton of respect if he wins with the sun's. Even Barkley is happy for the move the same guy who said kd wasn't the bus driver on the warriors. Acho keeps talking about the sun's from a year or two ago, what about the sun's this year? The warriors had came off the season with the best record ever when they got kd. The sun's got kd while they was not contenders and many media members wrote them off before kd. Now that they got kd Acho talking about how he won't get the same respect bruh yal need to stop. They need to stop having Acho talk basketball if he's gonna have takes like this. The sun's was never on the warriors level
They had Harden Westbrook Ibaka and Durant and they got to a finals and conference finals as a really great team, he didn't wait to try and push it he went to the best team to finally win, and the fact that Joy and Shady didn't let Acho and Ric speak when they were trying to give examples is how you know they were wrong
Joy Taylor is killing me with this argument. Nobody is saying that KD isn’t great but joint the 73-9 warriors who you just blew a 3-1 lead to in the conference finals to join a team that was just 1 game away from being nba champions is wild. It’s the same thing as Lebron joining the Celtics after losing to them in the conference finals. Come on Lebron would clearly be the best player on those Celtics teams. Would going 2-1 in the finals with the Celtics have been impressive?
So who drove the Bus in GSW. KD is the one with the 2 finals MVPs 😆. People just repeat hate. So yeah who was the Bus driver and what qualifies him as that? I'll wait 🤔
@@travisstrickland7270 andre igoudalla has a finals mvp as well, does that mean he was the bus driver? and what has durant won since leaving GS. its not like he wasn't paired with allstar talent. nobody is saying durant isnt all time great. but hes lacking in leadership, and that is why he only wins with teams that already have that leadership structure. He might be the driving force and he might be the best player and put his foot on the gas, but somebody else better be steering the bus if they are going to win a chip. he needs to win in PHX this year or next or its going to severely diminish his legacy.
@@l0chness Yall like politicians dodging questions 😆. All that blah blah and didn't answer the question. WHO was driving the Bus in GSW at the time when KD was there? WHO and what qualifies them as the Bus driver. A day later and I'm still waiting? 👂🏼
@@travisstrickland7270 same guy that won 2 tittles without him. I didnt realize it needed to be explained. without curry durant has no titles. is durant a better scorer/player. maybe. but curry makes that offensive system work, and that offensive system allowed durant to play a staring role in a team that won back to back tittles. sure GS went out and got durant. but they had space for another max player, you think they wouldnt have won the same 2 tittles with durant with paul goerge or kawai or any other top 10 player?
Name a superstar MVP player who won the title with a two time season MVP player and a defensive player of the year on their team.......the truth is, if you removed KD from that GSW squad and replaced him with Giannis, LeBron, Kwahi, Nikola, Joel....they're taking it home. So it's not that special. There's a reason why LeBrons ring in Cleveland and LA is worth more than the ones in Miami.
KD left golden state to find recognition, but because he isn't a great leader and failed in Brooklyn he now goes somewhere where he will get no recognition....make it make sense
When Kevin Durant, was with Golden State, no one was putting down Kevin Durant at all. What happen was the talk first was centered around the Warriors from a negative perspective. Statements like they could when now without Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant played into that drama talk about his Greatness. He loved the talk about him being the man while turning a crazy eye at Steph Curry and the Warriors. Especially throwing darts at Steph Curry in comparison to Kevin Durant. Well, he loved the new narrative he was being featured in, and that is why people are talking about him and his moves. Let's stop acting like what I am stating, did not happen.
Everyone gets Mad at KD for joining the Warriors, but didn’t the Warriors take a trip to go recruit him?? Obviously they felt that they couldn’t beat the Cavs at full strength without him. It’s easy to say now that they didn’t need KD because they won the championship last season. I believe KD is looking for basketball validation from people that should be irrelevant to him
Y’all killed lebron for joining a team that lost in the first round 3 years in a row but praise kd for joining a team that was in the finals 2 years ago and had the best record in the nba last year. All of this after doing literally NOTHING in BK and getting SWEPT last season. You can’t say he’s the best without holding him to the same standards as others.
How you gonna compare the 2018 Raptors to the 73 win Warriors team. They're in different stratospheres. Kawhi's ring is worth much more than KD's rings in GS
Exactly If Rick would did his homework he would know the Raptors had the best record in the East the season before they trade for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire that same season.
@@17thN.O Well, what happen to that Toronto team after Kawhi left then? Are they even a top 4 team in the East now? Raptors has lots of good players but thats it, they needed a superstar and Kawhi gave them that. KD could have done the same in Brooklyn after Kyrie is gone, be the sole superstar of a team with good players, but he choose not to.
🤣🤣🤣🤣Call a spade a Spade. KD championships with worriors v kwahi Leonard's 2019.(in another country, within one season)...come on.... Shady and Joy stop yelling😂😂..KD called Leonard a system player after wining in Canada..
Weird conversation Kd was the best player in golden state and at the suns. Only difference is that gsw won before and after he got there, suns if he wins he is immortalized because they never won a championship before Also Oklahoma had 3 mvps (some not realized yet) on same squad, they went to a chip and lost to lebron wade and Bosch. If they played anyone else they would have never broke that team up
This is crazy. If they lose you’ll blame Kevin Durant. But if they they win he gets no credit… the suns was going no where! And they won nothing. This is crazy. Kd would’ve still been a net if kyrie hadn’t got traded. And y’all forgot he took okc someone they have never been. This is crazy.
The struggle is what makes a champion. Just look at steph and the warriors. He's not about to retire why is he chasing a ring like he's going to retire this year.
@@more688 You mean the years they ALL get injured? 2 years ago they made the play-in, just lost to the Grizz and Lakers. And that was before Wiggins and Poole develop into all-stars.
Lebron went to play with bosh, dwade, and ray allen!! Then went back to play with -Kevin love (25 and 10rebs timberwolves) Kyrie and 6th man of the year JR smith ! -then teamed up with Anthony Davis and Westbrook ! What is going on here !!? 😂😂😂
so kd should be like u LOSER? haters click on kd videos, dislike it, drop a hate comment, and still watch the whole video 🤦🏾♂😂if hating helps you sleep at night, then so be it 😂😂😂all of that salt isn't good for your health,y'all kd haters are hilarious! probably can't go to bed without crying yourselves to sleep. 😂😂😂
@@ojoj5194 he’s already a winner, he’s wealthy, healthy and successful. But he has no pride, no balls. Id rather be a “loser” than a rich guy who’s not respected by his peers for winning the real way.
Acho must've just forgotten about the Bucks and the Warriors winning, so no the Suns aren't the Best Team. They haven't won a Championship since the '70's, if I'm not mistaken. They have only been to two Finals in the past four Decades. Slick Rick is bein' slick. I do believe the Nets won in the ABA. Also, the Nets went to two Finals under J-Kidd. Sir Charles and Shaq tried to jump onboard trains to win. Stop it! Joy was right. It's rare, but Shady was right on the Money with this take!
It surely Does lol and its even more pathetic kd fans bash curry and try to compare what kd achieved playing with CURRY to say he better😂🤣 basically crucifying curry for being a good teammated and not having a ego..
@@joshhernandez7380 yes they do I have seen it enough in every comment section comparing what kd achieved with curry as to why he's better which is dumb..bt never bring up them with there own team to compare them its just facts
KD wants rings and to play ball without all the BS. KD may get 2 or 3 more rings with the Suns, and he gets to play ball without all the noise. Too much drama in Golden state with Draymond, too much noise in Brooklyn with Kyrie and Simmons. Booker and Cp just want to ball without any noise and win championships. Simple.
So if he doesn’t win championships what’s going to be the excuses then 😂🤔😂 bro you saying it was to much drama in gsw when they won a championship before and after Kd is the reason why you kd fanboys are delusional and idiotic and becoming pathetic 😂🤔😂 I DONT THINK YOU DELUSIONAL IDIOTIC KD FANBOYS REALIZE THERE WASN’T ANY DRAMA IN GSW TIL THAT BUM CAME 😂🤔🤔 how kd going to win 2 championships then say it’s to much drama!!😂😂🤡 you kd fanboys are the reason why he’s going to always get bashed and WILL NEVER BE ON KING JAMES LEVEL
Well, noise and drama are part of the game, KD can NEVER be free of criticism as long as hes playing. I mean, Lebron is still playing like a God and people still criticize him. So you just have to live with it at some point and find your way to get over it. I am pretty sure if Suns not winning this year, all these noise and drama will come up again in the off-season.
idk why people Hate kd so much that man can do wat he want these player can do wateva they feel is gud for them case close let the fans b fans they r just fans
🤦🏻♂️bro when ur as good as they say you not supposed to need as much as he needed to win is the point, nobody HAS to “struggle” but when we’re talking about small difference in the top 20 players of all time KD never winning during the struggle will be a knock on him, how tf are they so bias do they like know KD personally?😭
Lebron in Cleveland brought it out of the mud. KD is a beast and suns haven’t been able to make it happen in the championship. Suns mvp caliber players can’t win the championship bc their bodies can’t handle the workload. If KD comes in and allows for Booker, CP3 and Ayton to stay healthy by helping carry the workload then why is that not considered when evaluating this addition to the suns? Mikal had a 43 point game… cam is a top level addition when it comes to coming off the bench. Crowder when he was playing added sooo much as a 2 way player. Those are some big gaps left for one player to come in and be the reason for winning and losing.
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Steph Curry, Klay and Draymond got it out of the mud
😆 you joking right
I was waiting for them to mention this.
@@travisstrickland7270 How is he joking they were drafted and home grown and did win a chip before and after KD.
@@travisstrickland7270 warriors were horrible before they drafted the splash bros. and during their first couple of years they were there.
@@eimajvl So if Lebron was drafted with Wade and Bosh it would have been different ? I don’t understand why we make this difference, at the end of the day its the same thing except the players who were drafted by the teams like Curry, Klay and Draymond could actually build chemistry since the beginning of their career unlike Lebron and other superteams formed with trade and free agency who had to create that chemistry in 1 season.
Guys like Curry, Magic, Kobe or KD were lucky to have MVP level players on the team that drafted them, Lebron didn’t have that luxury and MJ had to wait 4 years to play with a rookie Pippen.
Acho and Ric’s chemistry is unmatched.
Man I miss the days with Marcellus 😢
Yup Marcellus was funny real humor injected! 💯
acho a bit** for what he did
Marcellus Takes was bad 😂🤣
Marcellus literally said Mahomes REGRESSED and would struggle when Hill left.
So do I. Even when Marcellus was wrong, he still had some personality. I just can't get into Shady's takes. His personality seems a little bland. I wonder whether the show's ratings are better or worse now than before?
It’s funny coming from SHAQ, all he had in his career was just the 2nd and 3rd best Shooting Guards of all-time on his team
Lmao facts
Correct me if I’m wrong but those days of winning championships by yourself never existed. Though many MJ fans like Skip Bayless would lead you to believe MJ did it by himself.
Giannis didn’t get it out the mud, he got it out the snow 😂😂😂
Facts
With Kyrie ankle.
Naw he got 2 all stars plus built chemistry over many years. So nope no one out the mud for long time now
@@jbreezy519just like the Nets did with no Jaylen Brown for the Celtics
@@travisstrickland7270you do realize when the Bucks won the championship that year Giannis was the only all star on that team
This would be an amazing feat. There was not a single anchor calling the Suns a contender. Ya'll were saying the window was closed until KD came
Exactly acho always had something against Kd cause he like Lebron
They weren't a contender because of their injuries. Cp3 goes down, then Book goes down. When your stars are out of the lineup you lose. Now that they're getting healthy, they're winning.
Mane preach I don’t understand why they want kd to win by himself because NO ONE wins by themselves. Did bird win a championship without Parrish mchale and Johnson ? Did Magic win without Kareem worthy? Etc cmon basketball is a team sport not individual sport
@@bamboosho0t they weren’t a contender because they all were saying Mavs & Nuggets were better & even the Warriors, KD puts them over the top
That core went 2 games up in a final. He did not join the Charlotte Hornets!
Gonna have to side with Ric and Acho on this one. I don't know why Shady is so adamant about his stance when it's really not all that correct, same with Joy.
Shady is just trying to holler at Joy. He's so predictable. He's a pickle head.
Shady won 2 rings while he was not Shady and just a guy on 2 great teams so he has to take this stance because it tarnishes his rings if he admits that you can ride coattails to championship on ready made teams
Because Shady McCoy was a bus rider 2wice!
Shady is always trying to stick up for KD. And I'm not sure why they give Acho 2 (3 when the other guy is on) co-hosts who almost never agree with him on basketball debates and are soft when critiquing players.
6.30am and
LeSean and Joy take are weak. Nobody denying KD is great but going to teams for easy win is a weak move. I'm with Ric and Acho on this. WEAK move.
Exactly
Hakeem, Dirk, Giannis, and even MJ got it out the mud. They stayed with the same team for years went through multiple first and second round losses and prevailed to finally winning. That boosts their legacy way above KD’s solely because of the fact that he couldn’t do that with OKC or BK
All those guys you named had atleast 1 other star in the starting lineup before they made it to the promised land. As great as MJ was he never won a ring without Scottie Pippen. Championship Franchises that are considered dynasties have always been loaded.
He literally went to a finals with OKC at the age of 23 and lost to Bron Wade and Bosh I'm sorry no shame in that
KD deserves his credit in OKC. He took a team to the finals and made multiple WCF with Westbrook as his teammate. No other star player could say that. LeBron couldn't even make the play in tournaments with Westbrook.
@@robp.8669 The Dream first championship he didn't have a all star teammates. Clyde show up for the 2nd one.
Giannas told Milwaukee he was leaving if they didn’t get another star even tho he had Middleton.
Funny how they alluded the question about how phoenix never won a chip
Shady and joy are delusional if they think the “all stars” with the bucks, raptors, etc are anywhere near playing with 2 hall of fame all time top players
You're delusional and cant comprehend properly if think that's what they said bcuz it was clearly not what they said😂🤦♂️
It’s definitely not the “mud” as they were trying to make it seem tho. Jrue, Middleton with the supporting cast Milwaukee had plus any top flight player will be a great team with a chance to win the chip. The Raptors were winning 50+ games consistently and won 60 plus one year. All they did was swap Derozan for a top 5 player. Kawhi literally came into a ready made situation 😂
@@TyTheGreatest i agree it’s not like the raptors were trash but they couldn’t get past the 2nd round and ended up trading their best player to get Lenard, their best player left was kyle Lowry who’s …fine. That’s light years from joining a 73 win team that just went to the finals and has curry, klay, green, iguodala you’re talking 2 all timers and maybe 2 more hall of fames
@@kelseywalker2342 You’re focused on the fact that Lowry was the best player on that team instead of focusing on the fact that they kept the whole team in tact. Lowry, Siakam, Ibaka, Van Vleet, OG, Gasol, Norman Powell, Valanciunas, CJ miles etc. All they did was replace DeRozan with somebody 10x better. Not to mention Danny Green came over in the trade as well. GS kept Steph, Klay, Dray, Iggy and Livingston when they brought KD in. Looking at it like “KD joined a 73-9 team” is not even valid fr because they literally only kept 5 players from that 73-9 team
@@TyTheGreatest well the 5 they kept are their 5 best players And they only ones that mattered lol
Y’all went from saying “common suns L” and shitting on the suns everyday to now KD joining all that talent in Phoenix. 😂
I mean when you add a top 3 talent to a team it changes a lot how you look at the rest of the team… the Raptors were a joke of a contender then added Kawhi. Completely changed the dialogue. Take Bron off those Cavs teams and how you think people would be talking about the Kyrie and Love Cavs?? Take Giannis off the Bucks etc…
If you want an answer the list is 1 player, and 1 only, of players who did it with 0 All Star teammates. Hakeem Olajuwon in 1993-1994. That is the only one.
Dirk did too. Unless we’re talking about former all stars but there was no one that year that was an all star or even all star level outside of Dirk
@@thechamp1063 Good catch! so the list is like 2, which is why we hold those guys in such high regard.
Kobe won 2 Championships without Shaq, Giannis won a championship without a super team, D Wade,
If you don't like somebody then you will always find someway to discredit him.
It is not about discrediting Durant. It is about Durant wants to be view as one of those greatest NBA talents. He wants to be on the same level as MJ, Lebron, etc. When you are on that level then you have to let people nitpick your career.
@@sportsavant2937 LeBron has selected his franchises and teammates for the last 13 years and has had influence over coaching decisions. How are his championships more valid than Durant's?
@@sportsavant2937 u don’t know what he wants at all u just talking
@@sportsavant2937KD has never ever compared himself to be on Jordan’s level, SHOW ME THE VIDEO
And if you like somebody you will always find a way to credit them. People use certain takes for certain players and then say that doesn’t count for the next.
Acho: I want to stay at a team that can not win but when we start talking about legacy’s I’m going to hold that against you
Exactly!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏👏👏
Welcome to legacy discussions. If you didn't 3 peat twice with the time that drafted you, we're going to nitpick
Can Rick be full time in his place?
There is no hate. This ring wouldn't be respected, you can't be considered a top 10 player when your only rings are from sliding into other ppls teams. No other top 10 player is like that. It's not about doing it yourself. Shaq meant building it. KD ain't build nothing. The only time he built something blew up in BKN because he didn't lead it. PHX and GSW he just slide in to something already built.
Shaq went to Wade's team.
@Jackson Jackson Shaq had been there for like 2 or 3 years before they won, he didn't just slide in to a ready made....BUT... sure lets say he did.
Shaq: 1 or 4 rings
KD: 2 of 2 rings. 🤔
Rick would did his homework he would know the Raptors had the best record in the East the season before they trade for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire that same season.
@Kerry Johnson Yupp and they were 2nd the 2 years before that.. I don't respect Kawhi's 19' run that much. But I'd respect KD's less because Kawhi couldn't/didn't choose. KD specifically chose PHX.
@@Killa_Kamz yeah, but they could trade KD anywhere if they wanted too. Irving wanted to go to the Lakers and the team trade him to Dallaa. KD should get more credit if the Suns win the championship then he did with the Warriors. The Nets organization are terrible. KD wanted both coach and GM fire and the owner kept the GM for some reason. He made of the worst trade in NBA history last season.
So if the Suns win the championship this season and KD win Finals MVP people going say Booker or CP3 deserve all the credit?
I really feel like it Devin Booker is the leader of the sun he didn’t get it till traded to another team he stayed on that team since the first day he got in the NBA he didn’t do like Kevin Durant going to a super team just the weather ring but I give Kevin Durant one thing he is a very good score but it is not his team is Devin Booker
Yep. KD wasn't a bus driver on Suns. Oh 2 years ago Sun's was in the WC finals. Thank goodness CP3 was there 😅 anything they'll make up some reason to HATE. People follow media narratives. All Media does get big name to say something negative and it's over
after the choke ob cp3 and booker pulled against the mavs last year... ppl. should get punished for saying that... if the suns win a chip... its all KD!
He has more to loose because if he wins with this team it’s the same narrative of him joining a team with an established culture. If he looses then it’s all bad and it’s gonna reinforce the narrative of him not being able to do it without GSW. It’s not about being the best player anymore for KD it’s about leading a team and being the “bus driver” that’ll gain him the most legacy points imo
LeSean and Joy this segment...yikes. Glad Ric is back.
They could have done better than him imo.
Joy is right what are you talking about
@@Cornbreadfed82 like who?
They were the only ones talking with real sense. Rick is being your typical old age media head and acho is just pandering lmao
@@domsensei5 joy is so wrong in okc he literally played with hall of famers there she acts like he didn’t have players. Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka all were there.
It’s different than joining golden state vs the suns golden state wasn’t just a 73 win team it was a team that should’ve won the title before he got there and won a title after he left there but the suns aren’t winning a chip without KD yes you do get more points for getting something the hard way
Lol, KD was traded to the suns and they are already discarding the ring he has not even won while Lebron left Cleveland to team up with Wade and Bosh but his 2 rings count. Also, Lebron left Miami when their key players were struggling with injuries to team up with Kyrie and Kevin Love and won a ring, they say the ring is the greatest ring, lol. These are the greatest clowns on planet earth
joy's time of the month...yikes
Joy stay killing these segments.
So much they keep trying to interrupted her
Not this one she didn't
Does not fit, go crawling back to Colin.
Its not suffering joi 😂😂 i honestly believe kd can lead his own team to a championship but he doesnt want to and he failed at that in okc and brkln..thats the problem
no so much brooklyn when the team didn’t have one healthy playoff run the whole time he was there…injuries happened and was unfortunate
So who’s getting past a prime bron or a 73 win golden state team those teams were better better constructed top to bottom don’t think that is an indictment on kd
@Cozy Ay3 the answer to your question is Kd with his own team or kawhi with his own team (which he actually did win).its ok for kd to have all stars and even superstars on his team but he shouldnt have joined an already made championship team
Joy doesn't see an issue because she's lived here whole life on easy mode.
Trash comment
you dont even know her lol
Joy was right about Kawhi to the Raptors. They had the best record in the east the season before they traded for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire.
@@MichiganHendough Women live life on easy mode 🤷🏽♂️
@@MichiganHendough her big brother is a HoF linebacker. She was good for the better part of her life lol
Why didn't they mention that the Warriors beat OKC in the playoffs after being down 3-1 before KD went to them.
Cause that’s irrelevant and it’s not the same as him joining him Phoenix right now
@@jalynjones9136 I wouldn't say it's irrelevant. When he went to the Warriors that was one of the main reasons sports media didn't like it. Yes it put the Warriors over but he joined the team that beat his team in the playoffs the previous year. They brought up Kawhi asking what was difference between the two this is one of those reasons.
Wow this the first time I’ve seen Joy be wrong and lose an argument in months
But she wasn't wrong
She was right, and defended KD well! He should hire her as his lawyer. Shady and Joy defended KD better than Cochran defended OJ! 🤣
@@Theonlygogetayes she was
@@leetraviusmckay2919 she really wasnt tho..she didn't say anything that wasnt factual
@@Theonlygogeta she said KD was the best player on the Warriors yet they won another championship without KD
Dave took a day off huh lol. Great commentary fam. Really enjoyed it!
i bet they keep ric around more for nba season and have dave for nfl stuff/offseason included
Really all of them are football centric and struggle to talk NBA. They gotta bring in a ringer lol
I doubt most fans think about Emmanuel Acho's point: Kevin Durant joined the 73-win team in Golden State, and NOW he's joining the winningest team over the last 2 years in Phoenix. You can argue with Acho, but facts are facts. He even made the point that KD's attributes are unquestioned. Once you think about the teams KD has joined, you will think less of his accomplishments.
Underachieved at the nets. But to be fair that whole organisation was mishandled from the moment he joined. Kyrie too many off court issues. James Harden’s move didn’t work. Surprised the move happened. Nets looked good under the new coach.
Joy FFS KD has never had to suffer. Him being on Brooklyn with Kyrie was HIS choice not anyone else’s. It was HIS choice to go to GS, her narrative of “suffering” does not apply to KD.
With the suns I fell like he can move the ball better you know
Joy & Shady were spitttttttiiinnn
Exactly finally people not scared to tell the truth. Instead of constantly trying to spin negative narratives on KD all day. 🔥🤷🏾♂️
why is it blurred between lesean's chain and shirt?
People really didn’t believe Kawhi Leonard could win inToronto
Oh Canada 🇨🇦
He wouldn't have if everyone wasn't hurt in GSW. 🤷🏾♂️. But hey they played well to get there tho
Excellent commentary
Ric and Acho were winning till the last part. Kawhi Leonard got more credit because he gave a team their first championship in franchise history. That being said, Kevin has more to gain if he gave Phoenix their first championship in franchise history.
The goal was to never get a team out of the mud and win them a title.
KDs goal was can he win a championship without Steph Curry
100% agree with you on that last part. But I can’t agree with anything Acho the hater and Ric said. If Kd wins a title this season, he easily moves in the top 10 of all time.
Bus Rider!!!!🚌
Kd been the best player on all the teams he’s been with 🤷🏽♂️
Bro was literally the best player on every team💀
Warriors, Bucks and Spurs all teams that won with drafted stars.
Joy is Correct about KD and his OKC tenur is slept on
Have to disagree with Joy. Steph was and has always been the best player on any Warriors squad
In contrast to Rick Bucher's comments, Kevin Durant has absolutely everything to lose if the Suns don't at least get to the NBA Finals. He's been criticized for joining a 73 win team, while he was the first or second best player in the NBA, so the thought is that he has problems leading a talented team to a ring.
Only problem with that is KD never joined a 73/9 team. 😆. Just another media spin to HATE. KD was recruited Begged to come to GSW. So they broke up a 73/9 team that LOST. To get KD when his contract was up with OKC who was getting worse trading everyone and keeping Westbrick. People so gullible 😆
Shady has an understanding problem.
nah.People calling the Suns a superteam are only showing how great they think KD is. they scared..haters that said Paul was washed, Booker wasn’t a winner before Paul, and Ayton was overrated, now hollering it’s a super team. 🤦🏾♂
Ric is right, I don't get why no one sees that
Lebron gets more respect for winning in Cleveland than at the heat or lakers
Big facts kd never be on the same level as lebron
Nobody wins alone in a team sport, nobody even wins alone in individual sports either since each of those athletes HAD to have some level of support to reach that far. We need to stop acting like players of the past were doing it all alone.
Yes , but players were not asking for trades during the season when things go wrong
@@tyriantaylor711 Umm yes they've been doing it for years now. Pretty much ever sense Lebron and Dwade started this mess years ago. Where you been. Lol
Jordan won when he got 1 other all star
Curry won when he got 1 more all star
Giannis won when he got 1 more all star
Kobe won with Pau gasol as his 2nd best player
Lebron & KD need 2 and 3/4 all stars minimum to win its levels
What does she mean by "he got traded there"? Is she implying that it was out of his control? He is where he wanted to be.
KD tried to do like lebron and go and build his own team and win a chip and went to Brooklyn for 4 years and couldn’t even get past second round. So he did what he did with golden state and joined best team record wise.
KD played amazing in Brooklyn, unfortunately his teammates not so much
@@more688 dont waste time with haters bro. what did lebron lakers last 2yrs?
Best record of all time is not just by record. It is the best team in the league period
Joy so wrong it's ridiculous. Lol. Nobody forgets what he did in OKC. He didn't win. What he did in OKC made him a top 10 player all time. Winning catapults him further. Stop being difficult for the sake of it.
She also left out that team had players all over it too.
KD did something no other player did so far. Went to the finals with Westbrook as his teammate. Rick would did his homework he would know the Raptors had the best record in the East the season before they trade for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire that same season.
@@kerryjohnson8 Yeah Kd also Played with a Different version and Prime russ Thats a big difference ppl using now to make it seem like russ was always bad and Kd played with the Best versions of Russ
In contrast to Joy's opinion, everybody cares about whether or not you joined a 73 win team to get your championships.
especially after LOSING a 3-1 lead to them in the conference final....it's a tragedy hearing them act so oblivious.
My first hearing joy not making sense!
Shady and joy are to loud they ask questions and don't even let others answer 🙄
This so funny cause literally NOBODY was picking Phoenix to win the Chip before KD got traded there now he’s SUPPOSED to win the Chip cause he’s in Phoenix 😂🤦🏽♂️
so you don’t understand why? ur pretty slow
She is actually saying him playing in okc was in the mud but giannis wasnt with the bucks lol i cant with some of these people. Giannis beat the suns by himself, even luka had more help last year jalen was a beast and his 3 pt shooters stepped up big time. As a suns fan i was happy for giannis, he is truly an amazing talent and a great dude.
giannis has two all star caliber players with him lol
@@bangladeshirealtor yeah because of him, without him they wouldnt be considered, chris is like 20+ out of 32 starting sg in the league, holiday is great but hardly an all star and his load as a pg is very small giannis and chris manage the offence as much as he does. Also its a usage rate thing rewatch his finals its probably a top 5 finals showing ever from a player. Im not saying this to hate on KD, KD is amazing i just think her arguement is weird seeing as how insane okc young core was.
@@travis1258 regardless of the core….it’s hard to win with a primary ball handler like westbrook . proof is in the pudding . harden wasn’t allowed to thrive to his full potential on that team .
those guys in milwaukee are great players on their own . Holiday was proven before he got there . Middleton is a supremely skilled isolation player . Giannis isn’t making him better , that guy can get his own shot off . On a lower end team he can get 25-30 ppg in todays NBA .
Giannis is an amazing player tho no one can question him.
Rick slaying Joy and LeSean these two out here giving Rick easy W's
She mentioned LeBron didn’t do it, but he went back to his old team and got a championship so she should’ve never compare Kevin Durant to LeBron and I’m standing on that when Kevin Durant go back to his old team, OKC thunders and won a championship and go back to the Brooklyn Nets and get a championship. That’s the one I put some respect on his name
this, I mean the only difference is that okc isnt his hometown team like clevland was with bron. but okc has plenty of assets that they could surround KD with talent to be competitive, they have 12 first rounders in the next 4 drafts. plus a lot of young talent. no reason they couldnt have made a deal if durant had wanted to come back. KD to the suns proves he knows he cant build a team like lebron did. he failed with kyrie and now hes going to a team with structure just like the warriors. and thats a right hes earned for himself with his play, but we then ask questions about whos driving the bus.
@@l0chness that was his first basketball team, and the NBA after he got beat by a Golden State Warriors when he was on the OKC thunders, he left to go to a superstar team no cap I watch him play on OKC thunders
@@l0chness I would’ve gave him way more respect if he went back to OKC thunder and got a championship
it's just hard for people to put respect on KD's name when he went & joined a team that had won a title before him & then that same team went & won a title after him. he is always the best player on any team he joins, but he was not needed on that warriors roster for them to get the job done. i think if he was able to win a title with the nets, a team that hasn't made the finals in forever, people would've finally gave him his flowers to the same level they do with kawhi & giannis. the suns were just in the finals 2 years ago without KD, so i'm not sure how much credit he will really be given if they do make it again
The Raptors won a title when Durant tore his Achilles if KD was still in that lineup the warriors would’ve won again 3peat
Great point
We are forgetting the fact that when kd went to the warriors, he went as a free agent so they didn't have to give up anyone to get him. He's been traded to the sun's so they had to give up key pieces to get kd. So yes kd will get a ton of respect if he wins with the sun's. Even Barkley is happy for the move the same guy who said kd wasn't the bus driver on the warriors. Acho keeps talking about the sun's from a year or two ago, what about the sun's this year? The warriors had came off the season with the best record ever when they got kd. The sun's got kd while they was not contenders and many media members wrote them off before kd. Now that they got kd Acho talking about how he won't get the same respect bruh yal need to stop. They need to stop having Acho talk basketball if he's gonna have takes like this. The sun's was never on the warriors level
Shady mad cause he did the same thing to get a championship.
McCoy was mvp on the team?
KD did not do all he could in Brooklyn. Period. He runs from the grind.
The same media that loves to count rings is now talking about what about the OKC years where he never won a ring and that should be counted. Lol
did they blur out his chain?
They had Harden Westbrook Ibaka and Durant and they got to a finals and conference finals as a really great team, he didn't wait to try and push it he went to the best team to finally win, and the fact that Joy and Shady didn't let Acho and Ric speak when they were trying to give examples is how you know they were wrong
Joy Taylor is killing me with this argument. Nobody is saying that KD isn’t great but joint the 73-9 warriors who you just blew a 3-1 lead to in the conference finals to join a team that was just 1 game away from being nba champions is wild. It’s the same thing as Lebron joining the Celtics after losing to them in the conference finals. Come on Lebron would clearly be the best player on those Celtics teams. Would going 2-1 in the finals with the Celtics have been impressive?
When Joy shot off at 7:31 😂😂
She's 🚮
Kevin Durant went to Phoenix to "drive a bus" to a destination Barkley couldn't get em.. i think that's KD motive
no he went to phx because it had the best chance to win with him, and had the ability to give the nets a package they would take for him.
So who drove the Bus in GSW. KD is the one with the 2 finals MVPs 😆. People just repeat hate. So yeah who was the Bus driver and what qualifies him as that? I'll wait 🤔
@@travisstrickland7270 andre igoudalla has a finals mvp as well, does that mean he was the bus driver? and what has durant won since leaving GS. its not like he wasn't paired with allstar talent. nobody is saying durant isnt all time great. but hes lacking in leadership, and that is why he only wins with teams that already have that leadership structure. He might be the driving force and he might be the best player and put his foot on the gas, but somebody else better be steering the bus if they are going to win a chip.
he needs to win in PHX this year or next or its going to severely diminish his legacy.
@@l0chness Yall like politicians dodging questions 😆. All that blah blah and didn't answer the question. WHO was driving the Bus in GSW at the time when KD was there? WHO and what qualifies them as the Bus driver. A day later and I'm still waiting? 👂🏼
@@travisstrickland7270 same guy that won 2 tittles without him. I didnt realize it needed to be explained. without curry durant has no titles. is durant a better scorer/player. maybe. but curry makes that offensive system work, and that offensive system allowed durant to play a staring role in a team that won back to back tittles. sure GS went out and got durant. but they had space for another max player, you think they wouldnt have won the same 2 tittles with durant with paul goerge or kawai or any other top 10 player?
Name a superstar MVP player who won the title with a two time season MVP player and a defensive player of the year on their team.......the truth is, if you removed KD from that GSW squad and replaced him with Giannis, LeBron, Kwahi, Nikola, Joel....they're taking it home. So it's not that special. There's a reason why LeBrons ring in Cleveland and LA is worth more than the ones in Miami.
KD left golden state to find recognition, but because he isn't a great leader and failed in Brooklyn he now goes somewhere where he will get no recognition....make it make sense
When Kevin Durant, was with Golden State, no one was putting down Kevin Durant at all. What happen was the talk first was centered around the Warriors from a negative perspective. Statements like they could when now without Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant played into that drama talk about his Greatness. He loved the talk about him being the man while turning a crazy eye at Steph Curry and the Warriors. Especially throwing darts at Steph Curry in comparison to Kevin Durant. Well, he loved the new narrative he was being featured in, and that is why people are talking about him and his moves. Let's stop acting like what I am stating, did not happen.
Everyone gets Mad at KD for joining the Warriors, but didn’t the Warriors take a trip to go recruit him?? Obviously they felt that they couldn’t beat the Cavs at full strength without him. It’s easy to say now that they didn’t need KD because they won the championship last season. I believe KD is looking for basketball validation from people that should be irrelevant to him
Y’all killed lebron for joining a team that lost in the first round 3 years in a row but praise kd for joining a team that was in the finals 2 years ago and had the best record in the nba last year.
All of this after doing literally NOTHING in BK and getting SWEPT last season. You can’t say he’s the best without holding him to the same standards as others.
How you gonna compare the 2018 Raptors to the 73 win Warriors team. They're in different stratospheres. Kawhi's ring is worth much more than KD's rings in GS
Kd doesn't want recognition..the guy loves playin hoops with the best of course,yall just dont understand kd..let the guy be and let him play..
Don’t ever take away Dave air time this way you jerks!
Vote to get shady off the show
Westbrook and Harden aren't as good as Durant according to what?
Normally I rock with Slick Ric but this time he is doin too much. He just got it out for KD. Moving the goalposts.
Exactly If Rick would did his homework he would know the Raptors had the best record in the East the season before they trade for Kawhi. Dwayne Casey was coach of the year and got fire that same season.
@@kerryjohnson8 Plus Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, Van Vleet and Gasol were on that team. I am a big Kawhi fan, but come on bruh.
@@17thN.O Well, what happen to that Toronto team after Kawhi left then? Are they even a top 4 team in the East now? Raptors has lots of good players but thats it, they needed a superstar and Kawhi gave them that. KD could have done the same in Brooklyn after Kyrie is gone, be the sole superstar of a team with good players, but he choose not to.
joy made her point look worse bro, he did nothing in OKC, and then left to join the team that beat him, i do not understand her point
🤣🤣🤣🤣Call a spade a Spade. KD championships with worriors v kwahi Leonard's
2019.(in another country, within one season)...come on.... Shady and Joy stop yelling😂😂..KD called Leonard a system player after wining in Canada..
McCoy is not good at debates and is baffling to watch. Joy too is so adamant about protecting the players. They need some other people on that show.
Weird conversation Kd was the best player in golden state and at the suns.
Only difference is that gsw won before and after he got there, suns if he wins he is immortalized because they never won a championship before
Also Oklahoma had 3 mvps (some not realized yet) on same squad, they went to a chip and lost to lebron wade and Bosch. If they played anyone else they would have never broke that team up
KD ain't brOn & he NEVER was
“They not as good as him and KD is better than them”😂😂 why he say same thing twice like it was 2 different points
This is crazy. If they lose you’ll blame Kevin Durant. But if they they win he gets no credit… the suns was going no where! And they won nothing. This is crazy. Kd would’ve still been a net if kyrie hadn’t got traded. And y’all forgot he took okc someone they have never been. This is crazy.
The struggle is what makes a champion. Just look at steph and the warriors. He's not about to retire why is he chasing a ring like he's going to retire this year.
Steph is in a great system, they have great stability and structure. Curry also didn’t even make the play in a couple of years ago 😂
@@more688 You mean the years they ALL get injured? 2 years ago they made the play-in, just lost to the Grizz and Lakers. And that was before Wiggins and Poole develop into all-stars.
Lebron went to play with bosh, dwade, and ray allen!!
Then went back to play with
-Kevin love (25 and 10rebs timberwolves) Kyrie and 6th man of the year JR smith !
-then teamed up with Anthony Davis and Westbrook !
What is going on here !!? 😂😂😂
No, Joy, you DO get extra points for your so called ‘suffer hustling’. It is why Hakeem, Lebron and Kobe will always be above KD
They didn't win a championship either of those years they won all those game and they wasn't gone win this year so he will gain a lot
Ric bucher had an amazing take here!! Kd doesn’t deserve credit for these moves.
so kd should be like u LOSER? haters click on kd videos, dislike it, drop a hate comment, and still watch the whole video 🤦🏾♂😂if hating helps you sleep at night, then so be it 😂😂😂all of that salt isn't good for your health,y'all kd haters are hilarious! probably can't go to bed without crying yourselves to sleep. 😂😂😂
@@ojoj5194 he’s already a winner, he’s wealthy, healthy and successful. But he has no pride, no balls. Id rather be a “loser” than a rich guy who’s not respected by his peers for winning the real way.
@@kingwilliams3831 OKEY LOSER
Acho must've just forgotten about the Bucks and the Warriors winning, so no the Suns aren't the Best Team. They haven't won a Championship since the '70's, if I'm not mistaken. They have only been to two Finals in the past four Decades. Slick Rick is bein' slick. I do believe the Nets won in the ABA. Also, the Nets went to two Finals under J-Kidd. Sir Charles and Shaq tried to jump onboard trains to win. Stop it! Joy was right. It's rare, but Shady was right on the Money with this take!
It feels like Durant is Ringless
Well he’s not
You weird
It surely Does lol and its even more pathetic kd fans bash curry and try to compare what kd achieved playing with CURRY to say he better😂🤣 basically crucifying curry for being a good teammated and not having a ego..
@@peezydabeatmonster8112 no they don’t
@@joshhernandez7380 yes they do I have seen it enough in every comment section comparing what kd achieved with curry as to why he's better which is dumb..bt never bring up them with there own team to compare them its just facts
KD wants rings and to play ball without all the BS. KD may get 2 or 3 more rings with the Suns, and he gets to play ball without all the noise. Too much drama in Golden state with Draymond, too much noise in Brooklyn with Kyrie and Simmons. Booker and Cp just want to ball without any noise and win championships. Simple.
So if he doesn’t win championships what’s going to be the excuses then 😂🤔😂 bro you saying it was to much drama in gsw when they won a championship before and after Kd is the reason why you kd fanboys are delusional and idiotic and becoming pathetic 😂🤔😂 I DONT THINK YOU DELUSIONAL IDIOTIC KD FANBOYS REALIZE THERE WASN’T ANY DRAMA IN GSW TIL THAT BUM CAME 😂🤔🤔 how kd going to win 2 championships then say it’s to much drama!!😂😂🤡 you kd fanboys are the reason why he’s going to always get bashed and WILL NEVER BE ON KING JAMES LEVEL
Well, noise and drama are part of the game, KD can NEVER be free of criticism as long as hes playing. I mean, Lebron is still playing like a God and people still criticize him. So you just have to live with it at some point and find your way to get over it. I am pretty sure if Suns not winning this year, all these noise and drama will come up again in the off-season.
idk why people Hate kd so much that man can do wat he want these player can do wateva they feel is gud for them case close let the fans b fans they r just fans
🤦🏻♂️bro when ur as good as they say you not supposed to need as much as he needed to win is the point, nobody HAS to “struggle” but when we’re talking about small difference in the top 20 players of all time KD never winning during the struggle will be a knock on him, how tf are they so bias do they like know KD personally?😭
Lebron in Cleveland brought it out of the mud. KD is a beast and suns haven’t been able to make it happen in the championship. Suns mvp caliber players can’t win the championship bc their bodies can’t handle the workload. If KD comes in and allows for Booker, CP3 and Ayton to stay healthy by helping carry the workload then why is that not considered when evaluating this addition to the suns? Mikal had a 43 point game… cam is a top level addition when it comes to coming off the bench. Crowder when he was playing added sooo much as a 2 way player. Those are some big gaps left for one player to come in and be the reason for winning and losing.