What in the Drivatar is Going on? Forza Motorsport AI
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- As a Noob to sim racing, I thought I'd share my Forza Touring car experiences, my wins, my loses and my wtf moments. I try to explain my thought process and hopefully provide you with useful tips
My strategy is simple, stay alive at all cost. We all know Forza Motorsport can be a little dicey at times. I hope with a more passive tactic, I can swoop in and take the position. While also improving on my own skills as a racing driver.
Track learning is key, hopefully by reviewing my race choices and my mistakes, I can help others learn and improve upon their lap times. Thus making the racing world more fun and competitive.
Skill, balls, trail and error are key to become a better driver. For which I am looking for, but I do have trail and error down well.
I am using a G920 Logitech wheel, and playing Forza Motorsport on PC using Xbox Game pass. I do not have the VIP, or cars pass, this is the basic game as available to everyone.
I do hope you all enjoy the content, Racing and Sim racing is great fun and helps you escape the harsh reality of the life.
Jump into the comments section, I always answer, look for further advice, constructive criticism and most of all fun.
Share your experience, shout out to me that you raced with me, that I beat you, or more importantly you BEAT ME.
Thankyou all for looking and watching. Be safe, Race safe and again most of all have fun.
Equipment list as basic:
*Computer
*G920
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That’s how it goes every race in career. I’ve fought with a ai for 2 or 3 laps. Then once I pass them they fall 6-8 seconds back in one lap. The problems really magnifies when you increase the laps. Once the AI in front catch the back to lap them they get stuck. So even if you are 20 to 30 seconds or more. You can catch them in less than 2 laps. They have no concept of their own position in the race.
It’s not right how it is and you are right. They have no idea so end up racing you only when you are nearby and then go back to sleep lol
Let’s hope forza fix these issues but there is a lot of work to be done here.
It is funny to watch though.
I recognise that black focus on the thumbnail lol.
Now I watched it, how dare you make me throw a wobbly.
hahhaha that is your car, thats so funny
As we’re friends on Xbox it will put me in the race & use the car & livery I’ve used the most.
OMG was not expecting that, your Drivatar really let you down bud, sorry. Must of been my livery, just showing dominance lol
OOOO, I did not have any names up so i have no idea who the players are, fairer that way, i would like to apologise for scaring the living life of your Drivatar, I think they pulled over and seeked counselling,
"never in my life as a Drivatar, have I had to witness someone backing out of a corner" lol
What the devs are trying to do is to configure the algorithms to make each car a progression in difficulty to overtake but hopefully they are being made aware of the issues (thanks to youtubers like youself) and will sort it out. I've exprienced similar AI behaviour in AC although if you ease off or make a mistake in P1 the AI seems to detect this and naturally catches you up and tries to overtake. I've not got FM yet, give it a year! If only GT7 would come to PC.
I do hope in update 5 there is a noticeable improvement, Its a work in progress, no way do i expect update 5 to fully fix the AI, its more like a work in progress, make an adjustment, see what happens and adjust further. Its not easy to create a system like this and make it feel real. But again with almost 20 years of experience, I did expect more to. I have not had the luxury of trying AC AI, I have tried ACC AI and quite like it. I think they got pretty much the right balance there. But again I only used the AI to improve on my SA rating.
OOO i would love GT7 to come to PC. That would be awesome.
I year seems fair, GT7 has had a years worth of updates and clean-ups. got to give the same chance to turn 10.
This "built from ground up" AI looks more like hairball code of FM7 AI. Main difference is they no longer have supernatural grip, and AI doesn't cope with loss of this advantage well.
Weird behaviour on straights and bad timing for corner braking can be easily explained with poor placements of checkpoints for driveatars. When Turn10 and PG talk about "AI learning from players", it's actually just estimation how fast it should take them to beat section of map, and then used to decide if AI should get power boost or power penalty. It was less visible in older games, because super grip allowed them to decelerate on dime, so they didn't need to plan ahead much.
It more than likely is. Everything else seems copy and paste up to now lol.
Thing is, we have been creating ai drivers for over 30 years. So this shouldn’t be a difficult task to take on. Never mind turn 10 has nearly 20 years under their belt so this really shouldn’t be something hard to get right.
But I agree with you buddy.
The break checking is killing me currently, it’s not as noticeable at lower speeds but once you get to 150+ it becomes a huge problem
Yeah i get you bud, its not like they are even just touching the brakes, they stop so quick you have zero time to react, you see a flash of light and bang. it is ridiculous. but they are meant to be working upon this. so only time will tell i guess
Thanks for sharing the tune looks like you are running the front a lot softer than I am on my tune, will give it a try and see how it goes, I found the AI in the career kind of strange, like you say they will be flying along and the second you pass them they just seem to stop for a cup of tea and are nowhere to be seen, they also seem to think they own the rights to all apexes abit like online multiplayer
No worries buddy, I do hope it helps, again I run it softer for better initial bite in but on a long corner that's where it struggles more with the weight being on the tire and then causes a little understeer pass and parcel to be fair, again try it, see how you get on and adjust accordingly.
Yeah the AI are so odd, when your next to them, they race you but its like out of sight out of mind lets pull over and have tea and biscuits lol. Yeah it is like that in multiplayer to an extent so its not exactly unrealistic to an extent lol just unreal in real racing.
Just been trying your setup it is pretty solid, I’ve given it a try with my gear ratios seems pretty good have a go and see what you think,
Final 3.74
1st. 2.50
2nd. 1.79
3rd. 1.41
4th. 1.14
5th. 0.96
6th. 0.83
You drive it more like a 5 speed transmission but with the option of 6th on long straights slipstreaming
Thanks bud. I try and not change to much the ratio but adjust 6th gear. Reason for this is I get used to which gear I need to be in for a corner and the engine sound to get the speed right without having to look at my Speedo. So yeah you’re quite right on how I have it set up there bud. I am glad you like it.
Last time I was in this Giulia career challenge. I was chasing 1st AI-guy in Daytona. Then suddenly he caught up with 24th AI-driver who for unknow reason was doing about 75mph on straights and lost a whole lap because of that. Then 1st AI-guy simply couldn't overtake lagged a lap AI-guy and also slowed down to 75mph. I flew by faster for more than 100mph and in the end of straight was 10 seconds ahead.
I was laughing the hell loud. I don't know who designed and programed AI guys... but things like that should not happen in modern racing games lol.
Yeah I have heard of the AI not being able to overtake, kinda daft really because there is plenty of opportunity, but like you saw its like they are scared and just back out, even on the straights they do not move over, rather stick to the racing line and they are settled. I do hope in update 5 this is fixed. Not everyone has access to the internet 24/7 or even want to online race. So AI needs to be top notch for those reasons alone
@@Flashms They mentioned they know about the issue, and working on it : ))
Yeah I did read about it in update 2. I’m more excited for replays to work lmao.
But I think the ai is going to need constant updates rather than a one time fix. It’s something that needs development rather than turning up the aggression slider lol.
here is a video of Forza Motorsport AI deliberately Ramming my Blue Dodge Omni after a clean pass. AI should get a penalty th-cam.com/video/4haSQMac_2I/w-d-xo.html
HAHAAHAHA that would be interesting to see if they did get a penalty, that was a ram right there though
driveavatars suck ass. they made mistakes in FM6 and FM5 and run off the track every time. F1 games have the best AI overall
Yeah there not the brightest bulb in the pack, but with the new update releasing soon, they are addressing the issue, so lets hope it is an improvement
Yes the AI is terrible to race against they are either ramming you or completely avoiding you like the plague, and the leader always somehow gets almost a lap ahead and it takes you a whole race just to catch the lead car..
That leader is in a world of their own lol. It’s like they hired 21 rookies. 1 pro and you trying to get through the pack lol.
here's two AI cars Ramming me off the track th-cam.com/video/LK-75rlsMgo/w-d-xo.html
you do seem to have it rough bud
First, the AI is better than 90% of the community drivers, sorry. Now, the AI races the line only, brakes outside braking zone , and once passed they disappear. This game is broken and that’s that. Not to mention mostly all the race cars are old and not actually racing anymore, there are no new cars in the racing.
They do like the racing line lol. It is funny watching them crap themselves when you create an awkward situation for them though lol.
There does need a new influx of cars as well as a few more tracks not just one. Because 500 cars and a dozen tracks is not enough and can get repetitive fast.
bloddy hell, the AI, is horid. but it is funny to see how terrible they are xD the expectations is high on their update xD
cant wait to see the difrence of the game after the update, that must be huuge change :D
Let’s hope the improvements come though and not just up the aggression lol
There is a lot of work to fix the ai.
I do not think the update will make the ai better as we might think. There is a whole load of work to get the ai better more than a months work here.
@@Flashms true, maybe 1 year peogress of work for the AI, and mainly fix the game to be loveable online, just to keep them there as long AI with time shows improvement every update. That is what would be awesome if they managed 😁
@slaastad-racing oh yeah definitely we shall see. At the moments it’s pretty bad and it’s not like it’s a case of turning them up. Really needs to be written by someone who understands how to code ai properly.
@@Flashms they can hire the devs that made AMS 1, thouse AI are by far the best i raced against. S10 find them hire them pronto 😂
@slaastad-racing they could but do you think they would lol that’s the question.
I think, when it comes to racing games - Gt Sophie & Acc ai is the best.
I have not had the luxury of trying out Sophie but have seen a few videos on it and it is very good.
ACC I found to be very good and the right amount of aggressiveness. But again not massively tested besides racing them to increase my SA rating.
If this pre-alpha trainwreck of a game had a somewhat decent ai, all it others flaws would be even more obvious.
So, actually, the ai is perfect, it's at the same level as the rest.
Lol that is a good way to see it, I do have my fingers crossed for update 5, seems a large update with many fixes so I do hope it goes well, or at least provides us with funny bugs not game breaking just funny. I miss those kind of bugs
@@Flashms
To be honest, I have no hope anymore. The only things that I liked about the game until now, is the fact they included kyalami, and .... that's about it.
I must say I do like that track. I get you bud, I do hope with time and seeing these videos that one day you will see improvements within the game and I entice you to give it another go. :D
this is the same in ACC ai is fast but when past the just give up
I have not noticed that in ACC but to be fair I have only played the ai once or twice.
Remember, the AI was one of their selling points. It's as if they never played their own game.
Yeah, I am sure I still remember the days that the ai is capable of learning and it learns from live data.
@@Flashms yeah, just like the 'we have listened to the fans and their feedback' en then continue to stuff the GT lobby with cars that don't belong there. And the 'built from the ground up' when everybody can see the framework and 99% of the game is exactly the same as Forza 7. I'm a diehard fan of Forza and I love the franchise but it's getting harder and harder if Turn 10 keeps lieing and treating us like fools. They need to get their head out of their asses and hire somebody with a vision that understands exactly what racing games need and the fans want.
Lmfao.
In defence of the ground up stuff though. I did hear that the whole game engine itself was rewritten so future updates are seamless and far more efficient and that’s what they meant by built from the ground up. Like I say it’s what I heard and could be wrong but some ring of truth is in there. Of course using the term built from the ground up was loosely thrown out and incorrect in this matter when lots is clearly copy paste.
Yeah I agree with what you are saying. I mean the handling model now is so much better than forza 7, but other than that there is not much here. I do this update brings us some needed relief that they are listening and intending to fix their issues. Which is why I am staying positive because it does look good and I am massively enjoying the game. Fingers crossed though. Time will tell bud.
Also assetto corsa 2 is coming out soon. That will shake things up.
@@Flashms yeah well, I heard that same excuse with the newest Battlefield. Don't get me wrong, I want to stay positive but the expectation management turned out to be absolutely horrible and i hate being lied to. That's why I'm not as optimistic as you about the updates.
I still enjoy the game from time to time, especially the spec races are a huge step in the right direction. However, without any stats being tracked and the SR and DR not visible for all players it's a bit meaningless and hollow.
At the moment I have the feeling the game is being kept on life support with these small updates, just because they otherwise can't deliver on their promise of a 'live service game' (which would be yet again a broken promise).
It's a modern gaming problem. These developers really need to get their act together and make decent base games again.
i get you, don't want to be burned twice lol,
Yeah i do agree with you there, there needs to be a leader board and more, racing is hollow at the moment. I would love to do touring cars and be on a board at the end of the week showing my fastest lap and race time etc etc.
It definitely is, the drip feed method is more of a new model to try and keep people enticed, while also pleasing the game pass subscription model. Don't get me wrong, I am sure if all was available at the beginning this game would have fell of a cliff, but there is bringing out content to keep things fresh and there is blatant drip feeding to the point they are only doing it to make it look like its new when its old stock. I am all for constant updates and new things, but the beginning needed to be more fleshed out, not a few tracks and 500 odd cars, that got old fast. They really have not got the rhythm right with brining out new content lol.
I do agree, I was talking with a friend about the state of the new WRC game, EA got their grubby mits on the devs and ruined what could have been a great rally game. Today is all about numbers, new tactics and ideas are out of the window and its more a case of rinse repeat till the horse is dead lol
The livery 😂
Couldn’t help myself. It was so funny. Totally unexpected
The real question is why do people still have this joke of a game installed? Move on people. FM is dead
I enjoy it lol. Of course there is room for improvement like always but it is still getting updates is good I guess lol
It's dead to you! You move on
this week goes to show the game is far from dead, rather people waiting for it to be fixed lol.
@Flashms lol wait for an already released game to be fixed. That seems bat S to me. I'm old school and like buying games that work. I realised how under developed this game was when I tried to set up a multi class race against AI. It's dismal. I think you're in for a long wait
@@mstirlz o man I totally agree with you. This should have never happened. I’m old and games were never released like this years ago. Of course there were little bugs and funny issues but never to this extent.
You are not wrong about the long wait. I do not understand why it’s not even fixed yet as it’s been out for months. Seems riding along the game pass money train is better than riding along customer satisfaction lol