How One Glitch Changed Fighting Games Forever - Rise Of The Combo
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ม.ค. 2021
- Combos and fighting games go hand in hand, but what if we told you that their origins can be traced back to a glitch that would go on to change gaming forever?
This is the story of how one glitch influenced the way for how we play fighting games today.
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Combos didn’t just affect fighting games. A ton of action games decided to adopt a combo system and make it work for that game.
@ninja gg dmc
@ninja gg
Bayonetta
Astral Chain
DMC
Spider-Man (PS4)
@@calibvr oh, actually, in the original Spider-Man 2 movie tie-in game, there are plenty of combos you can do, as well as ways to perform infinites and essentially beat any non-special enemy in the game in a single combo (special enemies including bosses, mechs, and Mysterio's flying bots.
Other non-traditional fighting games with combos include River City Girls (made by Arc Sys, so of course), Castle Crashers, musou (Warriors) games like Dynasty and Hyrule Warriors, and roguelikes like Wizard of Legend.
@@hyliandoctor I know of that, I personally really like it and I have it too
And arc is epic
@@calibvr God of War
Update: Contrary to what we said in the video, L-canceling, and Wavedashing in SSBM are not glitches and were actually features that the developers knew existed. These were later removed in later versions of Smash as the devs felt they made the gap between beginner players and advanced players too large.
What fighting games do you play?
Tekken 7
smash ultimate
Smash, DbFZ, KoF, SFA3, SF3S, and a few others.
Them's Fightin' Herds
SG, USF4, SF5
Combos even manage to got out the fighting game genre, even games like Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, Nier Automata, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, hell even games that have nothing to do with fighting have combos in.....Street Fighter really was a revolution and still is.
Especially Dmc3 and 4. Jump cancelling was never intended for combos and the glitches found by the community in 4 changed everything
all games mentioned are Japanese . beginning to see a pattern
Street fighter didnt originate this idea another game did on top of that mk 1 was in the works and technically has larger combos regardless the concept of ingame combos would have naturally been created anyway
Wish you could do a relevant combo in Genshin or something
@@laladeity2196 young mk fans lol
Imagine if they just said no to combos instantly....
Combo videos wouldn't be a thing and the thought of that scares me
@@lucylu3342 we may never get Devil May Cry
Maybe fighting games wouldn’t be a thing
Nah someone else just would've done it. A lot of ideas for games in the 80s and 90s, came from seeing what you could and couldn't do in other games.
Fatalities were introduced because they liked the idea of a dizzy but didn't think that it was fair in the match, so they moved it to being at the end of the match.
That's so simple that I'm sure someone, or devteam would've eventually thought, hey I really like that old Street Fighter game, but wouldn't it be cool if I could hit the enemy more then once at a time?
Gaming would not be popular.....
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While you could probably classify wavedashing as an exploit in Melee (though Sakurai himself told people about it in a forum in 2002), l-cancelling is certainly an intended mechanic. It was in Smash 64 but in that game removed all landing lag. It was re-balanced in Melee to halve it instead.
Yeah i dont have a link rn but the official name for l-cancelling is "Smooth Landing" and it was explained on an official smash 64 website
Nobody calls it that now lol, but its further proof that it is an intended mechanic
@@samuelalphabet5360 Even wavedash is something that is a "advance technique" according to Sakurai, they just saw you could do that when they were developing the game and decided to maintain in the game.
@@EdwardFeinho Yeah, Sakurai even told Luigi players they should learn it in a Japanese advice column he wrote for Melee.
@@TakumiJoyconBoyz gah damn, now I wanna find these sources XD
A majority of competitive techniques in Melee would be better classified as exploits, as opposed to glitches. I think a better example of this over the wavedash and l cancel is the dashback exploit. In melee, you can dash back in a dash, and while standing, but not during a walk. To perform a dashback out of a walk, the player must set their stick to neutral to stand for 1 frame, then smash back on the next frame to dash backwards. So by all accounts, that is the intended interaction, there's no glitch here, top players are just exploiting that 1 frame of standing to dash back, and it requires an absurd amount of precision which is why most melee tournaments run a modded version that extends the window to 2 frames due to many gamecube controllers having a "snap back" flaw that causes the stick to snap back to the direction you had it instead of setting to neutral, and prior to the mod players would spend absurd amounts of money to get controllers that did not do this. This is the reason for that infamous news article of a top player, Armada, refusing to enter a tournament that didn't have the mod because he didn't have a chance to get a new controller without snap back.
06:03 when you kick enemies so hard, they turn into Ken.
I wasn't even paying attention! So weird.
Well he slammed e honda so hard, e honda became blanca. Then thats when he kicked Blanca hard enough to become Ken.
@@Lanman106 it is a hacked version
Lmfaooooo
When a car is the reason why noobs get destroyed in less than a second
Lol
Lmfaooo
"Competitive Farming Simulator"
Geez, what a world we live in that these 3 words are put together unironically
It's worse when you're still stuck with 2 Boomers who don't have good eyes on us - people between 25 and 50 yo -
Is so hard to be in your 30's right now, trapped between 2 dificult to deal with Gens
A Wonderful World
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To be fair to the developers. Back in the day in the local arcades most people couldn't even do the special moves let alone combos. I feel it wasn't until champion edition people that people started to build strategy and skill. (man I miss arcades )
Crazy to think this started as a glitch and the devs at the time were like, "yeah nah people won't really take advantage of this". Fast forward to the infamous Daigo @ Evo comeback... insane.
The combo system made those fighting games more awesome, interesting, satisfying, frustrating and joyful all at the same time.
Wow, even one of their oldes releases had 8 different versions. They've really held on to releasing the same game with exciting new adjectives from that point on.
wavedashing and L canceling were intended
thats why each character has different specific values for them so much so that in the patched version some of these values were specifically tweaked
I don't think this is correct. Wave dashes inherit their properties from character weights and air dodges. Just because a patch affected one of those factors, doesn't mean the game was balanced around or intended for wavedashes. I would argue that the spiteful conception of brawl demonstrates that those high level mechanics weren't just unintended, but reviled by the series creator at least at first.
@@semantik95 Wavedash has been confirmed as an intended mechanic from the game's debug menu. It has a special name, even.
Sakurai reviled the competitive aspect of Smash, as it goes against everything he intended for the game. Brawl was his way of protesting against the competitive community. However, this doesn't mean that Sakurai hated special mechanics. Hell, Brawl got a couple with footstool and reverse grab as well as some more obscure ones like shield dashing and that upsmash slide thing (can't remember the name atm).
@@GaussianEntity Source please? Cause I just looked around and here's a Nintendo power article where Sakurai says they "noticed it in development" that they left in rather than being an intended mechanic.
@@semantik95 Okay so what I mentioned was from discussions I read a really long time ago. This is probably the most updated take on wavedash.
www.ssbwiki.com/Wavedash
The special state is called LandfallSpecial but apparently that also applies to a lot of other states that occur in the special fall state, not just wavedash. Still though, the fact that the game recognizes this movement as part of how the engine is supposed to work just shows that the game is working as intended, even though it is an unexpected consequence of the airdodge system.
@@GaussianEntity It looks like we are having a discussion about semantics (no pun intended) here. If you consider "unintended" to mean that the developers did not intend to the game to ship with this capability in the game, then you are right that it was not unintended because they knew about its existence. If you consider unintended to mean that the game was not designed with this in mind and was only left in precisely because the developers didn't think it would actually affect the way the game is played anyway, then it was unintended and thus you can still consider it a glitch. That said, since landfall state applies to any number of situations not just wavedash, there is no way to argue that the game was balanced around wavedash just because landfall state was affected in a patch, especially since Sakurai expressly stated that they left it in because they didn't think it would affect the game and then went out of their way to remove it in later iterations.
"b-b-but it's nOt WhAt ThE dEvS iNtEnDeD, you shouldn't enjoy it, it's wRoNg!"
People say that unironically. Let that sink in.
Yeah this argument is so hypothetical I hate it. Like I really love melee and speedrunning and it sickens me when people try to discredit the people who use glitches in speedruns to their advantage or the people who shit on melee competerors. You need incredible game knowledge and execution skills and people always overlooked that fact
Nintendo says that too
Saying that someone is playing a _video game_ wrong is a super idiotic argument in itself, really.
I mean Ice Climbers have some pretty broken and boring shit in melee. In competitive smash they either limit it or outright ban it. At the end of the day, the players come up with what's best for the game and what's not. Not all exploits are created equal.
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And then Capcom took combos to the next level in the MvC series.
Combos ended up being used in different ways, some went simple like SF2, other went crazier, but it's thanks to this side-effect and the developers understanding it's appeal that we now have it as a tool for making fighting games more explosive.
U have the pretzel motion that SNK is responsible for
@@kaceejones2282 Yeah, I still have trouble doing the pretzel consistently xD.
@@troykv96 If u keep at it u might get better at it if u play and understand Fatal Fury Art of Fighting or King of Fighters ull get the hang of it
It’s hard to imagine the world of fighting games without combos.
Another great video and something I didn't know, it's really interesting combos in fighting games were a glitch, I always just thought they were a game mechanic to make the games more interesting and always having the ability to come back.
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Combos in general became my all-time favorite glitches when I first learn they were originally such in “Did You Know Street Fighter”. I never forgot how I finally got good in fighting when playing Super Street Fighter 4 in my teenage years.
I know you’ve already clarified that L-cancelling and wavedashing were known about by the devs, to be even more specific: L-cancelling was an intended mechanic of the game that’s even mentioned within it (under a different name), and wavedashing was an unintended (though known) side effect of the physics engine.
This is why I subscribed. Good video. More dis.
2:05 Clip from one of my favorite martial art movies BLOODSPORT
yes indeed.
Wavedashing and l-cancelling are both intended mechanics.
In the first days of melee, someone find out about wavedashing and posted it on some Japanese forum. As an answer, he got a very detailed explanation of what it is and how it works. The user that posted that explanation turned out to be Sakurai himself.
L-cancel was introduced to make it faster to shield when dropping with an arial move. This allowed everyone to have a smoother transition from offence to defence.
So both of these mechanics are intentional, even tho they are overused by modern-day melee players compared to what the Devs intended.
I knew that Street Fighter have that, but I never realize the impact of this in the videogame industry. It goes beyond everything. Video games without combos would be so different...and we owe that to a glitch ???? WOW.
Btw, Ahskon, your videos are top tier. You have a new follower.
Karate Champ actually seems like a cool idea to revive.
Footsies feels like that, as well as Urban Champion.
Hello. I'd love to hear about the creation and evolution of the "random character pick" featured in many games as well as the related "character rooster" feature.
Excellent mini documentary on the combo btw!
That Spinning Piledriver at 6:00 ... man, that's the stuff of nightmares...
the notification came through on my phone as i was watching
The real glitch on SF2 was Guido ‘s “ shadow throw” you get thrown while ur laying on the floor
The Daigo vs Justin EVO 2004 won't be possible without this.
Combos will always be a permanent mainstay in the fighting game genre for many decades to come!!
I love cool glitches. I used to be pretty damn good at rocket jumping in skate 3. Got quite a few #1 ranked own the spots on ps3 (even though the leaderboards were ALL rocketjumpers lol).
love the fighting game videos keep it up
Good video. A nice easy watch
When SF II came out in the arcades, I kid you not, it was like Evo tournament every day. Everyone was playing it
Love the Bloodsport shout out.
I love how the concept of combos ended up being born its such a cool QoL now that specific moves can cancel into each other for a more interesting look if you want to look for a combo starter rather than just play a safe neutral, another addition to the risk reward ratio. Good video overall but I will say L cancelling was definitely an intended mechanic, it also existed in 64 and was called smooth landing.
Thanks for the vid, you actually helped solve a game mechanic issue in my fighting game.
May I ask what the issue was?
Never forget how the difficulty curve of Space Invaders which I consider to be the most fun part of the game that changed gaming forever being brought upon by a memory glitch.
Just FYI L-cancel is actually intentional in Melee. It was a bug in 64 that they made into a feature. The original removed all landing frames entirely while Melee merely cuts the landing animation in half.
Wow never knew that.
Thanks
I wake up to Steam Gardens every morning so the beginning of the video had me scrambling to turn my alarm off at work.
Great Vid
I already know this from outsidexbox... But it's good you specifically talk about fighting game
I didn’t think it would’ve been left out but KI is what really started to push this whole button combination mechanic (intentionally speaking)
WOW.. without this glitch all fighting games wouldn't have combos to this day !!!! We would still be playing single hit games, no one ever would have thought of it in the last 25 years
Amazing content.
This reminds me "Ode to the 2 hit combo"
I suggest you guys watch it, if you still haven't.
It's one of the greatest combo videos ever made.
1:06 I actually know for a fact wavedashing was intended as on the melee website sakurai actually named the technique
You could say that car was a C-c-c-c-combo maker.
Combos are such a good addition to fighting games
Karate CHamp was so wonderful. it blew your mind when you saw it
COMBO BREAKER
More like COMBO MAKER
Very cool and very interesting video. :)
Thank you very much!
2:43 this should have been the street fighter intro
Im pretty sure L canceling was intended though in Melee, it was a mechanic in 64 and was even in the manual.
It's way dashing really unintentional though I mean the developers knew about it and decided to keep it in Even when as far as to tell people how to use it in Japanese forums
Both L canceling and wave dashing are not glitches
Makes me want to beat a car for a similar eureka moment
Your best video yet no doubt
L canceling isn't a exploit in Melee its literally a mechanic also in the first game on 64! Wavedashing was also known pre-release but they never imagined how far they'd take it. Great video tho like always kings!
OMG. What is the music at the beginning from?! It's driving me nuts!
Mario Odyssey! Fuck. Should of got that.
Street Fighter 1 had combo glitch too. You can hit a number of times to death from full health off one dragon.
"Let's go, Justin!!!"
GTO's Vice-Principal car gets wrecked again I see.
4:26 “and thus, the combo was born.”
I still remember working part-time in a store selling videogames and unpacking our fist copies of SF2 for snes. was my first year at university. nobody really thought it could be done. until that day. then after a while some kids came in who'd discovered the combo glitch. took a few minutes to get the timing straight with kids in the store watching.
it was the time of super castlevania, super contra, mystical ninja, final fantasy, super mario world. and then there was of course the megadrive. this truly was the golden age of gaming. good times.
Small correction, L cancelling in smash was absolutely intended. The Japanese manual for 64 mentions it and it's just not something you code in by accident unlike wavedashing which is a quirk of how directional air dodges work
how am I this early
I am pretty sure combo hasnt been invented this early
Amazing story, I didn´t imagine that it originated as a glitch, combos changed fighting games forever.
Honestly, it's questionable whether it really counts as a glitch (compared to, say, Denying in Dota which was something the players discovered after the mod's release and made a core part of the game), since they found it before they even released the game and made a conscious decision to leave it in and incorporate it into the game. At that stage it's not a bug, it's a feature. Just an accidental feature.
Yeah i think i remember hearing something about that
I can't imagine fighting games without combos... There would be more of a zoning kinda game and neutral-heavy but 0 action going on.
Then u don’t play fighting games much
isn't that just Samsho, or Footsies
and Zoning and Nuetral Heavy still play a factor, with combos being used for higher damage
@@deththekidd5062 I do, but I guess I can't have an opinion lol. Without combos, it turns into those 1970 arcade games or a more modern version, Divekick or Footsies, both of which I played and didn't enjoy for more than 3 hours. Neutral heavy games are okay, that's kinda what SFV and Tekken are, but if you don't have any flashy moves and combos and the whole purpose of the game is for neutral then it gets boring. I prefer Smash and DBFZ/anime fighters with lots of combos and stuff, its just cooler imo. Zoning is also a very cheap playstyle (the whole FGC kinda calls it cheese) as well.
@@Cybrtronlazr How is Zoning a cheap playstyle exactly?
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@@sepg5084 no
That was interesting
The standing flash kick combo at 5:36 was always my favourite to pull off on challengers but if you did it wrong you could black out the game.
those guile combos, wow
Street fighter 2 wad my favorite arcade game when i was 10. Then mortal kombat came out a few years later.
This is one of the best examples of a happy accident
Wave dashing is not a glitch or an unintended mechanic
It is, it was just left in on purpose
@@ten7554 it is not, asumsaus has a great video explaining it
They pinned a comment explaining that they mentioned wrong information in the game
@@shreyanshsingh379 that was not a comment when i posted mine, i maked suere to read the desc and comment becore posting this
@@roy8749 I knew I was stupid like every other time
When are you guys gonna do a video featuring Tekken? I'd love to see you guy's take on it.
I hated when I wasn’t even able to move other than block. Damn combos.
I remember playing Street Fighter II with my bros after school.. ah the good ol days
Noritaka Funamizu could have been the first to publish something about the combo glitch-feature, but he definitely was not the first person to notice it or even master it. This was a well know glitch-feature in all arcades back in those days. Same for other combo glitches.
Noritaka was a member of the dev team, him noticing it was before the game even released
This on a fundamental level is mind blowing cause when I wanted to get more competitive with Mk9 I learned that you have to go physical>special>physical unless your character has the time/space (A.k.a. frames) to do two specials in one go. Once I learned that...my friends never stood a chance lmao
I was there! Played SF1 in the entry room of my local diner, learning to throw fireballs, sans internet or a guide, was sooo hard on that old joystick
did you play on the punch and kick pads or just the normal button layout
@@AttitudeIndicator This article was the first I've heard of those! They sound crazy. Was normal button layout but those early joysticks were not real good at circular motions, they were designed to be durable as hell and jammed in one of two directions, because American arcade gamers were all kids and truckers! It felt like a lot of work.
@@GoodMenstruationAttitude yeah in street fighter 1 it was next to impossible to actually do something like a hadouken since theres no leniancy whatsoever, look up gameplay of street fighter 1 and its just the dude mashing the input trying to send out a hadouken or shoryuken lmao
@@AttitudeIndicator makes sense their software wasn't really ready for that kind of input yet. It was kind of good that it was hard in SF1, I think you could pretty much beat the whole game with just fireballs if you were perfect
fascinating! =D
Curious how the genre became popular against my preferred style of back and forth punch trading. Oh well, at least now I get a massive platform to use my preferred playstyle
Karate Champ, the game used in the movie BloodSport
6:30 YO RIVALS OF AETHER!
I watched a 7 min video about the history of fighting games & that a combo was a intended feature by the developers.
Well, this video does say that once the combo effect was discovered, it was considered and designed around by the developers. So while it might not have been known from the start, it became an intended feature during the development process.
Mario Odyssey Music over Red Dead Redemption footage at the beginning of a Street Fighter video.
What about guiles hidden techniques? Golden stance, invisible throw and machine reset(yes machine reset) and if you screwed up golden stance the game became locked and needed a hard reset(on-off)
I'm confused as to whether 'combos' (the ability to string moves together before the enemy recovered from hitstun) or 'special cancelling' (the ability to instantly follow up a normal with a special, ignoring the end-lag of the normal as to enable a combo) is the 'glitch' being described here.
Yo that's me! Haha nice video :)
The kara throw
*shows ds3 teleporting dogs* .no mate, that's a feature (not irony btw)