That's the problem with many film critics: They don't realize any two people can look at a work of art and have completely different reactions. That's the big mystery of anything artistic, be it found in a museum or a cinema: Art is so incredibly subjective. Even though I acknowledge it was unique and well-directed, I thoroughly disliked Pulp Fiction. Since watching the movie, I have had only one substantial argument with an actor friend who loved the movie and that was if the movie was laid out chronologically, it wouldn't have a purpose but rather an episodic narrative. Beyond that argument, I realize my perception was simply my own -- not right or wrong -- and that's the nature of the beast. To attempt to criticize someone else's differing opinion as the two critics to Bonnie Greer are doing shows these two are unable or unwilling to see the subjectivity of art. I personally disagree with Ms. Greer but that's her perception and that's the way things are.
What is bizarre about this is that Hislop has a go at the films depiction of women yet himself and the interviewer spend the first few minutes interrupting the only woman on the couch and are almost giggling at her opinions.
They were all talking over each other. Greer talked over the others as much as any of them. I think it's all too easy to find discrimination when you're looking for it.
Mark Kermode and the lady are the only decent critics here. The other two a prudish old men who should stick to Driving Miss Daisy and anything that isn't made for entertainment purposes. I don't even love Kill Bill, but those men give little reasoning for their distaste for the film all they say is that 'it's violent', 'it's boring', 'it's sexist'.
Mark Kermode is one of the best critics out there. Sure, he can be a traditionalist but he's pretty open minded and very discerning about oscar bait or 'critically acclaimed' movies. I could listen to him talk all day.
It is definitely violent, boring and lacking in any merit whatsoever as a narrative. Whether it's sexist is debatable, but I don't think it's an unfair point to describe it as sexist. It's simply a dreadful film that is essentially pornographic violence wrapped up in some completely uninteresting homage to films that Tarantino has seen when he was younger.
@@zacharycaruso2935 yes he is ian hislop his a sexist pig by interuppting the female critic. Hes also in the minority most critics including the great Roger Ebert gave this film a great review when it came out.
I don’t think that’s an example of sexism, I think that’s just someone’s self infatuation. The one person who has the alternative opinion of this film happens to be female, I think it’s easy enough to make that connection and then shallowly claim sexism. Isn’t identifying her as the female critic sexist anyway? I believe this was just different opinions on display and I see no evidence in this video to suggest that he wouldn’t act in the same way if it was a man in her place or if one of the other critics also had positive words for the film, as she did.
To be clear I didn’t enjoy his place in the discussion, this would’ve been much more interesting if it was just Bonnie Greer and Mark Kermode having a conversation and articulating their points.
Yeah Ian Hislop's head-boy-of-the-prep-school moralistic stance makes him an excellent commentator on political affairs and holding politicians to account, but he is too much of a fuddy-duddy to be worth listening to on cinema. He is unquestionably very smart, but he would probably have preferred a night in reading Horace Walpole
Kermode and the Lady are the only decent critics here because their points are mature and open they are giving good opinions and criticism whereas Ian Hislop who is just being a total hater with no interesting points.
The Lady is defending rubbish out of a childish knee-jerk 'feminism' response ..-totally unconsidered in the cold light of reason ...I wonder if the same person would stand up and be counted so quickly now as a defender of 'Tarantino's brilliance' ..in the light of revelations of personal views regarding roman polanski...and harvey weinstein ...i think we already know the answer to that ...
Hislop and the moderator/host are fools, I wish Kermode and Bonnie could have had an intelligent, calm discussion without those two butting in every 5 seconds.
I'm not really one to accuse people of these kind of things but the way they (not including Kermode) patronised Bonnie seemed quite offensive, they were laughing at her.
I wouldn't be so quick to Hislop a fool considering the intellectual heavyweight that he is. Yes, he's talking out of his backside here and is patronizing demeanour does him no favours but he's highly intelligent, witty as can be evidenced from his long presence as a panellist on Have I Got News For You, and very sharp and insightful when it comes to politics. He could intellectually run circles around most people including myself.
Really? Because last time I looked he was an Oxford educated journalist, political satirist, writer, broadcaster and editor. I think that more than qualifies him. That doesn't make him right about everything, no one is but never the less.
Mark and Bonnie are having a genuinely interesting conversation about the merits, the flaws and the politics of the film, but Hislop I can live without. He's clearly genrephobic.
"It's all surface when he's proven that what he can do is depth" I don't really think any of his films, even the good ones, had much depth other than Jackie Brown. All the characters were two-dimensional in RD and PF but the films still worked and were well written in a way that his post-Kill Bill output hasn't been, probably because he had a co-writer for both of them.
+GiantSandles He had more than a co-writer for his early work. He pretty much stole Roger Avary's work and then tried to pay him off with a co-writer credit.
Chris C I don't know I think it's pretty clear he had a big impact on it just from the dialogue, it's the exact same style. Plus the main character in True Romance is basically Quentin
Inglourious Basterds, The Hateful Eight, and even Django Unchained had a fair amount of depth to it. His movies do actually have a lot of smartly written characters and nuanced scenes if you are willing to study them. His "look at me, I'm making crazy movies based off other crazy movies from my childhood!" persona has always been somewhat deceiving.
Kermode is a great reviewer, he gets what Tarantino was trying to do, he just thinks the film isn't good. Disagreeing doesn't mean he didn't watch or 'absorb' it
Go Bonnie - until I saw this movie, I had no idea this genre of cinema existed. It's fresh visceral and visually stunning, not everyones cup of tea but in this genre of cinema it's a masterpiece. If you don't like it then you probably don't like martial arts movies, which is fine.
It's a thrash and slash movie. The genius of this movie is not in its story or dialogue. What makes this an excellent movie is the directing, production, and the passion in the fight scenes. The care and deliberate choreography that went into every scene shows how much Tarantino loves the samurai film genre.
Tarantino pulls off the same bullshit with every one of his films. Everything he's made other than Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown has been all surface and no depth. The moral simplicity of Kill Bill is infuriates me. It's a pantomime, period and the fact that some people are actually calling it a "masterpiece" is simply baffling to me.
I know. I really enjoyed Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs, but the rest were predictable and somewhat politically incorrect. Inglorious Basterds was fun, but all over the place.
+Nameless Paladin you can't possibly say Pulp Fiction has no depth. Only someone who is too stupid to understand the character's stories and morals in that movie will say something like that. You probably thought it was only about "royale with cheeses"
I disagree. I thin reservoir dogs is one of his most shallow films.. do you really care about the characters in that film? it's also very talky and boring
I agree with all the points they make, the problem with Kill Bill is that it was cut into two films - one is excessive action with no character development, while the other is playing catch-up and can seem a little bit rambling, even dragged out. So Instead of having one good 3 hour edit. We got two unfocused 2 hour films.
I agree with Greer - Vol 1 was great. Slow? Boring? What film were they watching? It makes a nice change from the torture porn we get today where women are endlessly strung up mutilated and murdered. Beatrix Kiddo is a strong woman, and all she wants is justice; justice which finally prevails in Vol2 (which I'm not so keen on). Some people intellectualise movies way too much.
the woman is the smartest Of them, she absolutely gets IT. the others waitung for a cup Of Tea and pad themselve on the shoulders how good Of a critic they are.
Luke Ellis Well everyone has opinions indeed but there are those who believe themselves to be critics(probably everyone on the internet) and those who truly are critics who have knowledge about film and its meanings.
I didn’t like Kill Bill. However, Ian Hislops criticism of the film is emptier than the film itself. Typical middle aged dinosaur that has no idea of pop culture and art. Only sees the surface. Like I said, I didn’t like Kill Bill but Kermode gives a far more thoughtful and reasonable critique of the film and its flaws rather than just saying ‘it’s sexist and it’s too violent’.
Well, you have to cut the film some slack. These people are judging it by really highbrow British standards except bonnie, who can see it as the rollicking high adventure film that it actually is.
I agree with Mark's criticisms. I think they are more intelligent than Ian's. I like Bonnie Greer, but clearly she found the film more enjoyable than me
I've never been a big fan of Hislop but couldn't figure out why. This video has helped me figure out that he is a person who feels his opinion is always most important and he must dominate a room and any conversation he is a part of. There's this weird feeling that comes from his constant insistence that he's against sexism too. He reminds me of the political or religious leaders who constantly condemn homosexuality, only to be outed via committing a crime years down the line.
I felt sick watching this at the cinema in London when it was released. I thought it was garbage, yes a feminist film but who needs to see films pertaining to that subject.
I don't get why you wouldn't enjoy watching that film. It's spectacular. I love kermode but he has such a distain towards tarantino. Not every film has to be a believable drama with a flawless narrative. Sometimes you just want to watch something thrilling.
+Scruffy P That's because Tarantino makes sub-par video-nasty type schlock fare that is for some reason praised. He's a distinctly average film maker that has thankfully been found out with more recent crap.
Tarantino with every successive movie looks weaker and weaker ...and more like a Thief of other peoples original ideas which worked a lot better in their original context ..how ironic ! ...The "Django" movie was obviously a Government-driven propaganda piece .... and "once upon a time in hollywood" was a girlish-soap opera from someone with a very disturbed mind ..(NOT a work of Genius..as some deluded fanatics have tried to claim) Lol ...the next movie from this "Legend in its own brain" will be one to watch ..-I am betting it will be so bad (poor) that its unbelievable ....
@Transformers2themax The last point was one of the most hilarious, blinkered and stupid things I've ever heard anyone say. I don't even know where to begin with it... Kermode clearly states that he loved Tarantino's previous films but that he found Kill Bill lacking, and I have to say I agree with him. The fact that he and I are both british is totally irrelevant, it's not a case of not 'getting' it, and people should be allowed to review whatever damn movie they want to.
The Kill Bill movies are actually the movies I hate the most....don't really know why, there's just something about them that makes me boil whenever I think about them...
that is reasonable. if you paid money to see them it is natural for you to be boiling mad about it. it is a moronic slasher film with the plot depth of a porn film, except porn films are more interesting, by a high school drop out with a personality disorder associated with violent sadism. i didn't pay to see these movies, but i too felt angry that it robbed me of the time i spent looking at it. perfectly reasonable response.
I think Tarantino makes exactly the film he wants to make. He is a magpie with an incredible knowledge of movie history. This was about 1970s martial arts movies, I hate them and this. Don't get me wrong I love some martial arts films just not these ones.
If you like Pulp Fiction then how can you not like Kill Bill? When I first watched Kill Bill I loved the Bride because she was a badass killing machine out for revenge. Of course the movie was more style than substance, so was Pulp Fiction! Though neither of those films are in Tarantino's top 3, I still love them.
+LoN3wOlF5tudi0s I loved Reservoir Dogs, I loved Pulp Fiction. And I hated both Kill Bill movies. Maybe it's a British thing to have that opinion. I agree with my fellow British critics on this video.
Guerilla Hustle Calling people names, oh how tough of you. Go and watch rubbish Tarantino films if you like, there's far more subtext to a nerdy fanboy who likes exploitative female characters than I think you realise.
+Mr. Veteran Exactly, it plasters his name over the movie, expecting you to mentally associate it with the likes of Reservoir Dogs. It encourages you to associate this bad movie with a good movie by the same director.
@Logicopositivi He's certainly more whiny, but I think Hislop is still making a fair point about the perviness of turning women's suffering into a spectacle.
Oh my god, let the female reviewer finish her fucking thought! We sit around listening to all the blokes give their opinion then the moment we get a dissenting one from a female you have to shout her down, rather than letting her finish, and considering what she has to say. For fuck's sake!
Tarantino is a lot smarter than many people give him credit for and he basically just makes the movies he would love to watch, everyone else is just along for the ride. So of course they are drenched in visual and lyrical metaphors, references, quotes that mostly make sense just to him. It could be anything - I'm sure the brand of cereal in Pulp Fiction has some meaning to him. It's like his movies are written in code or shorthand and those whose tastes and preferences intersect with the ones in the movie will enjoy it. Others won't. That was always his thing, Reservoir Dogs wasn't any different it just intersected more with generally accepted notions of coolness. It's thus incredibly ignorant to deride one of his movies you didn't get to praise another one you did. For the next person their preferences could be entirely reversed. This is getting nowhere. Ok, you didn't like the movie, but give the man some appreciation for his dedicated work, he's one of the few out there who deserve it.
@aerialkate Have you ever seen A Clockwork Orange? Everything that happens prior to Alex's incarceration is designed to be as morally reprehensible as possible, to make the films major question (Alex is clearly a monster, but does that justify what is done to him? Is it better to force somebody to be good than to allow them to be a monster? Is the removal of free will a price worth paying?) as troubling as possible. (Run out of room, I'll carry on in a separate post)
i think these two guys have never seen an easterns film in their lives. now as a guy who grew up watching Spaghetti westerns, Kung Fu films and Samurai movies, Kill Bill is a dream come true to me, it's like if I ever had to make a movie Kill Bill would be the movie that I would make
@Withnail both aren't genre filmmakers, Kill Bill is a genre movie a mishmash of genres and elements. Kermode is a typical pretentious film viewer, Kurosawa and Ozu are like the two most obvious choices for a film nerd to state as his favourites when it comes to Japenese or Asian cinema (I'm pretty sure he thinks WKW is the best HK movie maker ever) both are artistically very acclaimed. If you were to watch and enjoy Kill Bill then your favourites would be something like Seijun Suzuki, Takashi Miike, Hideo Gosha...etc. I'm pretty sure If you were to ask him about French Cinema for example he'd tell you Godard or Truffaut are his favourites. He does that to stay relevant as a film critic.
@Withnail Waw even better. Maybe Jacques Rivette too and probably Robert Bresson? Lol and when it comes to Italian cinema it's Bertollucci and Fellini with Leone being a Kurosawa rip off because he made those popular films that are loved by the masses.
@@tylerdordon99 Eh, Kermode actually is pretty anti-Godard. Go and watch his review of Film Socialisme if you want to see, or just fancy a laugh. He's a massive fan of horror movies, famously banging the drum for the Exorcist as the greatest film of all time, so your accusations of snobbery are pretty misplaced.
@@FrogSkull you can't take a joke can you? I mentioned Godard as a joke because in the context of my comment he was the same knee jerk choice for French cinema conoisseurs (I hate his guts btw both as a person and filmmaker) and I'm pretty familiar with Kermode's love for Horror he speaks about that fact only every 5 minutes. You want me to prove it he also thinks the Devils is one of the best movies ever (I don't consider it a horror movie myself but whatever).
I sometimes feel like I'm the only in the world who understands how good this film was. I only realised how good it was at my second viewing which was 5 years after my first. This would be QT's best if Pulp Fiction didn't have such an amazing script. I completely agree with that woman.
Richard Brighton Yes there's always that. Went to see Transformers 4 on Saturday with a friend who wanted to see it. Good god it was boring and wayyyyy to long.
I am surprised how much I agree with Kermode in both hus critique and the praise of this film. I too thought the head smashing scene was great but that the movie itself is incoherent and cartoony.
the violence is to cartoony? ya thats the fucking point. when lucy lu cuts that guys head off and blood starts spraying like a damn sprinkler, i dont think quentin was going for a realistic look there. the violence is so fun in this movie, it almost makes me laugh. when uma is spinning around on the floor, slicing there legs and holding a grown man up by her sword, thats where you get laughs from people who enjoy it. obviously these guys did not. but th movie doesnt suck like they said.
Okay, so correct me if I’m wrong, but the point a film critic is they are meant to sort through everything and tells us what we will most like … Kermode consistently is out of step with what everyone likes and singing praises about films that even the Razzies would sleep through He’s BAD at his Job!!
Kill Bill is entertaining and stylish enough to hold you for almost four hours. However it's still kinda shallow and vacuous. If you want a truly great film about female retribution watch Sympathy For Lady Vengeance. It is poetic, morally ambiguous and genuinely thought provoking. Only the movie that Kill Bill could have been.
One of the biggest problems with this film is the fact that everything that comes out of Uma Thurman's mouth sounds too agreeable. She doesn't have the hardened, forceful spirit she needs for a gritty and muscular revenge tale.
I like Hislop elsewhere, but here he was rude and sneerey. This was a "pervey film"? If he finds women slashing each other's heads off to be in someway pervey, that says more about him than the film.
@feldmanspotatoes : Her's was the last opinion expressed, and it was led in by two critics who thought the film was an attack on feminist views. I hate to make it a "you either get it or you don't" argument because every single Tarantino movie sets it up so well. I was commending her not for being a woman, but for being able to explain, amongst the cackling and snide one-offs, why she and many others enjoyed the film. Kermode didn't enjoy it for his reasons, and we enjoy KB immensely for hers.
Ian and Mark totally spot on in every respect about this pile of total tosh. As far as Bonnie is concerned - if only it was irony - but of course the Americans don't do/get irony!
please tell me you're joking with that comment about americans. she's an intellectual. she gets irony. ian is not spot on, he's a moron. he has zero awareness. she is the only person that actually offers any insight.
Poor Mark, lol. He absolutely nailed it with just a few sentences and then backs off when the other two idiots are babbling about shit that doesn't matter. Kill Bill was nothing more than bits of pieces that doesn't string together at all. Its only mildly fun if you have seen lots of exploitation, but doesn't come out as a proper homage on anything.
@aerialkate Wow, a third post... The point to which I first responded still stands, that Tarantino is not the only, or even the first, director to portray rape as it should be shown: absolutely horrifying and repugnant. In fact, if he even did so, it was probably by accident.
@aerialkate It was more the soothing, teeth grindingly patronising way that you put it. What I objected to most was just how off topic this has become. My original point still stands, that Tarantino is actually more exploitative of violence towards women than the average film director.
I like Mark and always enjoy his opinion but I have to disagree... perhaps I’m saying this with the glory of hindsight but I personally think kill bill is fantastic. It’s just so watchable! I was Invested within minutes. Cinematography is great, colour schemes and visuals are striking, dialogue is typical Tarantino... and to top it off, the blood squirting violence comes down on you like rain... I love it 🤷♂️
This is what I like about Kermode, he actually walks the walk. Maybe back when this aired it didn't seem as unreasonable for a man to be lecturing a woman about feminism by means of constantly interrupting her? Among the men, only MK seems capable of defending his opinion in a mature fashion. And while I personally agreed with Greer's opinion on my first viewing of Kill Bill 1 in its initial run, hers is also clearly the more evergreen take on it here.
It's just good trashy fun, don't go in expecting an Ingmar Bergman, Stanley Kubrick, Andrei Tarkovsky philosophical debate about the meaning of life and the human condition. Fucksake, it's just here because it's hillarious watching someone's arm get cut off (in a blackly humorous way...obviously).
@MrMarcusirish I do agree with Kermode on the fact that "Jackie Brown" showed Tarantino to have potential to write lifelike characters with some depth, though. Certain is that he only has to blame himself if, in his later films, he went back to his rip-off artist job and serving the most undiscerning (and ignorant) fringes of his large audience.
I felt like watching the two films was an endurance test, I was glad when it was over, I have little memory of character or plot, I won't watch either film again anytime soon
Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. When your first two films start off as good as those two then it must be seriously hard to top them. Orson Welles never got near Citizen kane. Stephen Merchant and Ricky Gervais haven't got within a hundred miles of The Office again. Some people like PTA seem to have increased each time on the film they did before. But he'll always be trying to emulate his first two films. Personally I really enjoyed Kill Bill as an action flick.
The Emperor's New Clothes is one of a number of stories in a book written by the Danish writer Hans Christen Anderson. The book was turned into a Film which starred Danny Kaye as Hans Christain Anderson. In the film the title of the story was altered to 'The King's New Clothes'. The film was a hugh success and I think the story is now more often refferred to as, 'The King's New Clothes'. However, I would agree that the use of either title would be correct:)
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Believe me I take no joy whatsoever in having to argue with you. In fact I find it utterly depressing that I have to. I've simply noticed that young men in particular often champion what they perceive as 'edgy' directors and assume anyone who finds them repellent must go home and watch 'The Sound of Music' each night. It's just such a shame to me that 'edgy' all too often means 'fucking sad exploitation of sexual violence against women'.
Hislop is amongst the most vociferous opponents holding any UK government to public account for over 3 or 4 decades.. a true patriot who looks to improve England, not wave flags. A man of considerable learning and intellect, not to mention self-effacing humour. A man who can stand for what is right, and yet question himself on what is right. Sure.. but you comment on his chin.
@@TheKamikazenaz I'm not going to dispute any of that. But he can still be patronising and snarky, which he is. I don't find him very likeable at all tbh.
I occasionally find Ian Hislop funny but felt he was actually really rude in this chat, constantly overtalking her opinion and when she tries to explain the parts she liked, he sarcastically scoffs and says “YES I SAW THE FILM 🧐😌” I think the problem was people went in to this film expecting a character drama when actually the genre he went for isn’t like that.
I’m surprised by the reactions here ? Sure the film is a bit long and could have been all condensed into 1 loved the theme or women fighting - something we didn’t see before this and I agree with bonnie that it’s a feminist film. Comparing it to his other films is just dumb anyway
@Transformers2themax I recently wrote a very favourable review of Drive for my student newspaper. Should I have not done so? Is my opinion of the film invalid?
Review of a review * MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS* The movie is based entirely on a comic book, its play like a live action comic book, the violence is comic book like and there is even a cartoon segment in the movie if anyone should be confused on what this movie is trying to be. ......and then Beavis Kermonde asks "where are the three dimensional characters?" and Butthead Hislop responds by channelling the pseudo morality of that repellent public scold and professional bore, Malcolm Muggerridge and thus, proving himself to be the bigger asshole by leaps and bounds!
It's not based on a comic, to my very vast knowledge. But if it is please let me know as it would be an awesome comic!! :D The cartoon segment is called anime.
You're quite right. I had no idea Q&U stood for Quentin and Uma. I had looked it up a while ago and I suspect what appeared to be a comic to me were merely storyboards for Kill Bill. I stand by my assessment of Ian Hislop though!
Lots of people have commented on how Mark and Bonnie Greer are the only decent critics on this, but to be fair that's their job whereas Ian Hislop is a satirical journalist - he's not really in his element commenting on films he clearly doesn't have any taste for. (Personally I agree wholeheartedly with Mark Kermode, the feminist angle of the film can be lauded but overall I found the film pretty boring so for me it was the only outright miss for Tarantino).
I disagree with you. Jackie Brown is based on a solid Elmore Leonard novel and as a narrative story it hangs together well. It doesn't rely on a knowledge of Blaxploitation because other than its lead actor, the rest of the cast are not Blaxploitation stars. The violence is more restrained in Jackie Brown, there's a subtext of getting old (every character except two is over 40) and dealing with failed ambitions and there's less action "porn" than in Tarantino's subsequent career.
@aerialkate A Clockwork Orange does not celebrate violence against women. And I don't think you can suggest that the man who made Death Proof is some feminist crusader.
Kermode is one of my favorite critics. I disagree with him a lot but I love hearing his point of view. I really liked this movie. It’s just fun violence.
@@krishnan-resurrection714 not sure what you mean. I didn’t say violence is fun as a blanket statement. I said I really liked the movie. It’s (the movie) just fun violence. It’s sad that you need this explained to you.
Mark might have disagreed with the woman, but at least he wasn't interrupting her every five seconds like the other two.
That's the problem with many film critics: They don't realize any two people can look at a work of art and have completely different reactions. That's the big mystery of anything artistic, be it found in a museum or a cinema: Art is so incredibly subjective.
Even though I acknowledge it was unique and well-directed, I thoroughly disliked Pulp Fiction. Since watching the movie, I have had only one substantial argument with an actor friend who loved the movie and that was if the movie was laid out chronologically, it wouldn't have a purpose but rather an episodic narrative. Beyond that argument, I realize my perception was simply my own -- not right or wrong -- and that's the nature of the beast. To attempt to criticize someone else's differing opinion as the two critics to Bonnie Greer are doing shows these two are unable or unwilling to see the subjectivity of art. I personally disagree with Ms. Greer but that's her perception and that's the way things are.
Exactly, and the self-professed feminist can’t stfu while she’s talking
@@jam-trousers were they interrupting her because they disagreed with her, or because she was a woman?
@@urbanwarrior3470 They interrupted her because they are British. Have you seen their parliament in action?
@@Dirkschneider as opposed to whose parliament...?
What is bizarre about this is that Hislop has a go at the films depiction of women yet himself and the interviewer spend the first few minutes interrupting the only woman on the couch and are almost giggling at her opinions.
exactly.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Horrendously disrespectful and she was more on the ball than them two.
that's because her opinions were pompous and ridiculous, and she shouldn't get a free pass by virtue of being female.
They were all talking over each other. Greer talked over the others as much as any of them. I think it's all too easy to find discrimination when you're looking for it.
@@RTAC_1234 free pass? how about just respecting other people?
Mark Kermode and the lady are the only decent critics here. The other two a prudish old men who should stick to Driving Miss Daisy and anything that isn't made for entertainment purposes. I don't even love Kill Bill, but those men give little reasoning for their distaste for the film all they say is that 'it's violent', 'it's boring', 'it's sexist'.
Paperbagman555 Mark Kermode is a big fan of video nasties and his favourite film is The Exorcist.
Mark Kermode is one of the best critics out there. Sure, he can be a traditionalist but he's pretty open minded and very discerning about oscar bait or 'critically acclaimed' movies. I could listen to him talk all day.
to be fair "Kill Bill" is boring , rubbish, pretentious and generally a very crappy movie .....
It is definitely violent, boring and lacking in any merit whatsoever as a narrative. Whether it's sexist is debatable, but I don't think it's an unfair point to describe it as sexist. It's simply a dreadful film that is essentially pornographic violence wrapped up in some completely uninteresting homage to films that Tarantino has seen when he was younger.
'the lady'
Ian Hislop: This film is terribly sexist.
Also Ian Hislop: Constantly interrupting the female critic and being incredibly condescending to her
you're not making the point you think you're making.
@@zacharycaruso2935 yes he is ian hislop his a sexist pig by interuppting the female critic. Hes also in the minority most critics including the great Roger Ebert gave this film a great review when it came out.
@@65g4 LOL
I don’t think that’s an example of sexism, I think that’s just someone’s self infatuation. The one person who has the alternative opinion of this film happens to be female, I think it’s easy enough to make that connection and then shallowly claim sexism. Isn’t identifying her as the female critic sexist anyway? I believe this was just different opinions on display and I see no evidence in this video to suggest that he wouldn’t act in the same way if it was a man in her place or if one of the other critics also had positive words for the film, as she did.
To be clear I didn’t enjoy his place in the discussion, this would’ve been much more interesting if it was just Bonnie Greer and Mark Kermode having a conversation and articulating their points.
I could quite happily watch Bonnie Greer and Kermode debate movies for a whole show. We can lose the other two.
Yeah Ian Hislop's head-boy-of-the-prep-school moralistic stance makes him an excellent commentator on political affairs and holding politicians to account, but he is too much of a fuddy-duddy to be worth listening to on cinema. He is unquestionably very smart, but he would probably have preferred a night in reading Horace Walpole
Kermode and the Lady are the only decent critics here because their points are mature and open they are giving good opinions and criticism whereas Ian Hislop who is just being a total hater with no interesting points.
i thought this was interesting !
The Lady is defending rubbish out of a childish knee-jerk 'feminism' response ..-totally unconsidered in the cold light of reason ...I wonder if the same person would stand up and be counted so quickly now as a defender of 'Tarantino's brilliance' ..in the light of revelations of personal views regarding roman polanski...and harvey weinstein ...i think we already know the answer to that ...
'the lady'
Hislop and the moderator/host are fools, I wish Kermode and Bonnie could have had an intelligent, calm discussion without those two butting in every 5 seconds.
I'm not really one to accuse people of these kind of things but the way they (not including Kermode) patronised Bonnie seemed quite offensive, they were laughing at her.
I wouldn't be so quick to Hislop a fool considering the intellectual heavyweight that he is. Yes, he's talking out of his backside here and is patronizing demeanour does him no favours but he's highly intelligent, witty as can be evidenced from his long presence as a panellist on Have I Got News For You, and very sharp and insightful when it comes to politics. He could intellectually run circles around most people including myself.
He's no intellectual heavyweight.
Really? Because last time I looked he was an Oxford educated journalist, political satirist, writer, broadcaster and editor. I think that more than qualifies him. That doesn't make him right about everything, no one is but never the less.
Amen
Hislop is a jerk in this
HISLOP IS A JERK IN ANYTHING
Mark Kermode was a writer for Fangoria....a huge horror magazine. He gives credit to proper horror films, even the ones that other critics cringe at.
Who is the woman? I loved the way she handled herself.
Bonnie Greer, I think she's a playwright
And yeah, she did great. Very composed. Hislop made a total tit of himself
i found her embarassing to watch supporting a slasher film with the plot depth of a porn film
@@nonebusiness4488 not every film needs to be deep, what's wrong with visceral
Bonnie Greer.. not seen her on telly recently, I think she may still have a column. A very intelligent and kind person.
Mark and Bonnie are having a genuinely interesting conversation about the merits, the flaws and the politics of the film, but Hislop I can live without. He's clearly genrephobic.
Listen to the way Mark Kermode critiques this film. Now compare it to what everyone else does (particularly Ian Hislop).
Mark is NOT a snob.
"It's all surface when he's proven that what he can do is depth"
I don't really think any of his films, even the good ones, had much depth other than Jackie Brown. All the characters were two-dimensional in RD and PF but the films still worked and were well written in a way that his post-Kill Bill output hasn't been, probably because he had a co-writer for both of them.
+GiantSandles He had more than a co-writer for his early work. He pretty much stole Roger Avary's work and then tried to pay him off with a co-writer credit.
Chris C I don't know I think it's pretty clear he had a big impact on it just from the dialogue, it's the exact same style. Plus the main character in True Romance is basically Quentin
Inglourious Basterds, The Hateful Eight, and even Django Unchained had a fair amount of depth to it. His movies do actually have a lot of smartly written characters and nuanced scenes if you are willing to study them. His "look at me, I'm making crazy movies based off other crazy movies from my childhood!" persona has always been somewhat deceiving.
Alan Smithee - True but nothing he's done has compared to anything before Kill Bill and Kill Bill was where his own work started.
Ingourlous Basterds is his best-written work by far. It's teeming with subtext
Go Bonnie! She's the ONLY one in this clip actually WATCHED and ABSORBED the film.
In what sense?
Mr. Veteran She drowned.
Kermode is a great reviewer, he gets what Tarantino was trying to do, he just thinks the film isn't good. Disagreeing doesn't mean he didn't watch or 'absorb' it
Go Bonnie - until I saw this movie, I had no idea this genre of cinema existed. It's fresh visceral and visually stunning, not everyones cup of tea but in this genre of cinema it's a masterpiece. If you don't like it then you probably don't like martial arts movies, which is fine.
The martial arts in this movie suck. I am a martial arts movie fan, and have a huge collection. The choreography is good, but the execution is awful.
Bonnie Greer is obviously the only one with a bit of fucking sense there
Adam Edgeworth Um, no.
No she's lost the plot.
It's a thrash and slash movie. The genius of this movie is not in its story or dialogue. What makes this an excellent movie is the directing, production, and the passion in the fight scenes. The care and deliberate choreography that went into every scene shows how much Tarantino loves the samurai film genre.
Tarantino pulls off the same bullshit with every one of his films. Everything he's made other than Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown has been all surface and no depth. The moral simplicity of Kill Bill is infuriates me. It's a pantomime, period and the fact that some people are actually calling it a "masterpiece" is simply baffling to me.
I know. I really enjoyed Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs, but the rest were predictable and somewhat politically incorrect. Inglorious Basterds was fun, but all over the place.
It's interesting simply from a technical standpoint. That is all.
+Nameless Paladin Most overrated director in Hollywood. Keeps making the same trash and being praised for it.
+Nameless Paladin you can't possibly say Pulp Fiction has no depth. Only someone who is too stupid to understand the character's stories and morals in that movie will say something like that. You probably thought it was only about "royale with cheeses"
I disagree. I thin reservoir dogs is one of his most shallow films.. do you really care about the characters in that film? it's also very talky and boring
I genuinely think there are suspect reasons for people being so offended in such a broad way as Ian hislop is.
Yes. He is a dirty, pathetic perv.
I agree with all the points they make, the problem with Kill Bill is that it was cut into two films - one is excessive action with no character development, while the other is playing catch-up and can seem a little bit rambling, even dragged out. So Instead of having one good 3 hour edit. We got two unfocused 2 hour films.
I agree with Greer - Vol 1 was great. Slow? Boring? What film were they watching? It makes a nice change from the torture porn we get today where women are endlessly strung up mutilated and murdered. Beatrix Kiddo is a strong woman, and all she wants is justice; justice which finally prevails in Vol2 (which I'm not so keen on). Some people intellectualise movies way too much.
the woman is the smartest Of them, she absolutely gets IT. the others waitung for a cup Of Tea and pad themselve on the shoulders how good Of a critic they are.
The two men on the left do my head in
Lol, interrupts the woman the second she begins to speak
Hislop? Is no film critic.
Everyones a critic.
Luke Ellis
Well everyone has opinions indeed but there are those who believe themselves to be critics(probably everyone on the internet) and those who truly are critics who have knowledge about film and its meanings.
I didn’t like Kill Bill. However, Ian Hislops criticism of the film is emptier than the film itself. Typical middle aged dinosaur that has no idea of pop culture and art. Only sees the surface. Like I said, I didn’t like Kill Bill but Kermode gives a far more thoughtful and reasonable critique of the film and its flaws rather than just saying ‘it’s sexist and it’s too violent’.
Well, you have to cut the film some slack. These people are judging it by really highbrow British standards except bonnie, who can see it as the rollicking high adventure film that it actually is.
I agree with Mark's criticisms. I think they are more intelligent than Ian's. I like Bonnie Greer, but clearly she found the film more enjoyable than me
I've never been a big fan of Hislop but couldn't figure out why. This video has helped me figure out that he is a person who feels his opinion is always most important and he must dominate a room and any conversation he is a part of.
There's this weird feeling that comes from his constant insistence that he's against sexism too. He reminds me of the political or religious leaders who constantly condemn homosexuality, only to be outed via committing a crime years down the line.
Ian Hislop is bound to have skeletons in his closet.
Kill Bill is meant to be the kind of B-Movie Cinema that characters from Reservoir Dogs would watch and talk about.
Lady Snowblood meets Game Of Death
I felt sick watching this at the cinema in London when it was released. I thought it was garbage, yes a feminist film but who needs to see films pertaining to that subject.
I don't get why you wouldn't enjoy watching that film. It's spectacular. I love kermode but he has such a distain towards tarantino. Not every film has to be a believable drama with a flawless narrative. Sometimes you just want to watch something thrilling.
+Scruffy P That's because Tarantino makes sub-par video-nasty type schlock fare that is for some reason praised. He's a distinctly average film maker that has thankfully been found out with more recent crap.
@@KRSsven I know ur comment is years old but I’d watch django. Amazing film with amazing acting/story
Tarantino with every successive movie looks weaker and weaker ...and more like a Thief of other peoples original ideas which worked a lot better in their original context ..how ironic ! ...The "Django" movie was obviously a Government-driven propaganda piece .... and "once upon a time in hollywood" was a girlish-soap opera from someone with a very disturbed mind ..(NOT a work of Genius..as some deluded fanatics have tried to claim) Lol ...the next movie from this "Legend in its own brain" will be one to watch ..-I am betting it will be so bad (poor) that its unbelievable ....
Kill Bill is a masterpiece and one of the best Tarantino's films. Fully agree with Bonnie Greer.
@Transformers2themax The last point was one of the most hilarious, blinkered and stupid things I've ever heard anyone say. I don't even know where to begin with it... Kermode clearly states that he loved Tarantino's previous films but that he found Kill Bill lacking, and I have to say I agree with him. The fact that he and I are both british is totally irrelevant, it's not a case of not 'getting' it, and people should be allowed to review whatever damn movie they want to.
What a relief to hear that the woman on the panel was the only person who "got" the movie !!!
You go Bonnie!!
The Kill Bill movies are actually the movies I hate the most....don't really know why, there's just something about them that makes me boil whenever I think about them...
Because you have bad taste stfu
+Olle Rönn It's because they're crap, no further explanation needed.
+KRSsven there better than reservoir dogs
that is reasonable. if you paid money to see them it is natural for you to be boiling mad about it. it is a moronic slasher film with the plot depth of a porn film, except porn films are more interesting, by a high school drop out with a personality disorder associated with violent sadism. i didn't pay to see these movies, but i too felt angry that it robbed me of the time i spent looking at it. perfectly reasonable response.
I prefer part two. I also wouldn’t mind seeing a hack job of both films edited together to 90 mins.
I think Tarantino makes exactly the film he wants to make. He is a magpie with an incredible knowledge of movie history. This was about 1970s martial arts movies, I hate them and this. Don't get me wrong I love some martial arts films just not these ones.
If you like Pulp Fiction then how can you not like Kill Bill? When I first watched Kill Bill I loved the Bride because she was a badass killing machine out for revenge. Of course the movie was more style than substance, so was Pulp Fiction! Though neither of those films are in Tarantino's top 3, I still love them.
+LoN3wOlF5tudi0s I loved Reservoir Dogs, I loved Pulp Fiction. And I hated both Kill Bill movies. Maybe it's a British thing to have that opinion. I agree with my fellow British critics on this video.
+LoN3wOlF5tudi0s Because Pulp Fiction was good, and Kill Bill was not.
+Andy JS I'm British and also see Kill Bill for what it is - exploitative nonsense.
KRSsven Seriously? Why do you think Kill Bill isn't good?
Guerilla Hustle Calling people names, oh how tough of you. Go and watch rubbish Tarantino films if you like, there's far more subtext to a nerdy fanboy who likes exploitative female characters than I think you realise.
I'm glad that at least other people knew that Kill Bill (both volumes) is an awful film and those who like it only do because Tarantino directed it.
I loved it, before I even knew Tarantino Directed it
+Mr. Veteran Exactly, it plasters his name over the movie, expecting you to mentally associate it with the likes of Reservoir Dogs. It encourages you to associate this bad movie with a good movie by the same director.
maybe I'm crazy but I think there has to be something wrong with you mentally to like this movie
It was intended to be two-dimentional. The characterisations and depth are given in pt. 2.
Technically it's brilliant. They take it far too seriously, it is a comic book as a film.
@Logicopositivi
He's certainly more whiny, but I think Hislop is still making a fair point about the perviness of turning women's suffering into a spectacle.
Oh my god, let the female reviewer finish her fucking thought!
We sit around listening to all the blokes give their opinion then the moment we get a dissenting one from a female you have to shout her down, rather than letting her finish, and considering what she has to say.
For fuck's sake!
Tarantino is a lot smarter than many people give him credit for and he basically just makes the movies he would love to watch, everyone else is just along for the ride. So of course they are drenched in visual and lyrical metaphors, references, quotes that mostly make sense just to him. It could be anything - I'm sure the brand of cereal in Pulp Fiction has some meaning to him. It's like his movies are written in code or shorthand and those whose tastes and preferences intersect with the ones in the movie will enjoy it. Others won't. That was always his thing, Reservoir Dogs wasn't any different it just intersected more with generally accepted notions of coolness. It's thus incredibly ignorant to deride one of his movies you didn't get to praise another one you did. For the next person their preferences could be entirely reversed. This is getting nowhere. Ok, you didn't like the movie, but give the man some appreciation for his dedicated work, he's one of the few out there who deserve it.
@aerialkate Have you ever seen A Clockwork Orange? Everything that happens prior to Alex's incarceration is designed to be as morally reprehensible as possible, to make the films major question (Alex is clearly a monster, but does that justify what is done to him? Is it better to force somebody to be good than to allow them to be a monster? Is the removal of free will a price worth paying?) as troubling as possible. (Run out of room, I'll carry on in a separate post)
Ian hislop try’s to act like a feminist, and getting it completely wrong (I really don’t like kill bill vol 1 but he’s insane)
i think these two guys have never seen an easterns film in their lives. now as a guy who grew up watching Spaghetti westerns, Kung Fu films and Samurai movies, Kill Bill is a dream come true to me, it's like if I ever had to make a movie Kill Bill would be the movie that I would make
@Withnail both aren't genre filmmakers, Kill Bill is a genre movie a mishmash of genres and elements.
Kermode is a typical pretentious film viewer, Kurosawa and Ozu are like the two most obvious choices for a film nerd to state as his favourites when it comes to Japenese or Asian cinema (I'm pretty sure he thinks WKW is the best HK movie maker ever) both are artistically very acclaimed. If you were to watch and enjoy Kill Bill then your favourites would be something like Seijun Suzuki, Takashi Miike, Hideo Gosha...etc. I'm pretty sure If you were to ask him about French Cinema for example he'd tell you Godard or Truffaut are his favourites. He does that to stay relevant as a film critic.
@Withnail Waw even better. Maybe Jacques Rivette too and probably Robert Bresson? Lol and when it comes to Italian cinema it's Bertollucci and Fellini with Leone being a Kurosawa rip off because he made those popular films that are loved by the masses.
@@tylerdordon99 Eh, Kermode actually is pretty anti-Godard. Go and watch his review of Film Socialisme if you want to see, or just fancy a laugh. He's a massive fan of horror movies, famously banging the drum for the Exorcist as the greatest film of all time, so your accusations of snobbery are pretty misplaced.
@@FrogSkull you can't take a joke can you? I mentioned Godard as a joke because in the context of my comment he was the same knee jerk choice for French cinema conoisseurs (I hate his guts btw both as a person and filmmaker) and I'm pretty familiar with Kermode's love for Horror he speaks about that fact only every 5 minutes. You want me to prove it he also thinks the Devils is one of the best movies ever (I don't consider it a horror movie myself but whatever).
@@tylerdordon99 Hey, I'm not try'na fight. I'm just saying that his dislike for Kill Bill doesn't come from snobbery as you appeared to be suggesting.
Why's a women suffering worse then a mans
I sometimes feel like I'm the only in the world who understands how good this film was. I only realised how good it was at my second viewing which was 5 years after my first. This would be QT's best if Pulp Fiction didn't have such an amazing script.
I completely agree with that woman.
what some people don't understand... Tarantino films, are ENTERTAINING... I saw this four times at the cinema.... mostly ... for the sound only...
I thought it was so dull.
Sluggish Throne watch it again, with the sound turned up...
Richard Brighton I know it has a good soundtrack, but that's not enough. It was all style and no content.
Sluggish Throne fair enough.... at least he isn't Michael Bay?....
Richard Brighton Yes there's always that. Went to see Transformers 4 on Saturday with a friend who wanted to see it. Good god it was boring and wayyyyy to long.
I am surprised how much I agree with Kermode in both hus critique and the praise of this film. I too thought the head smashing scene was great but that the movie itself is incoherent and cartoony.
the violence is to cartoony? ya thats the fucking point. when lucy lu cuts that guys head off and blood starts spraying like a damn sprinkler, i dont think quentin was going for a realistic look there. the violence is so fun in this movie, it almost makes me laugh. when uma is spinning around on the floor, slicing there legs and holding a grown man up by her sword, thats where you get laughs from people who enjoy it. obviously these guys did not. but th movie doesnt suck like they said.
Okay, so correct me if I’m wrong, but the point a film critic is they are meant to sort through everything and tells us what we will most like
… Kermode consistently is out of step with what everyone likes and singing praises about films that even the Razzies would sleep through
He’s BAD at his Job!!
i wouldn’t say his opinions are that controversial
very immature film, basically a teenage boys wet dream
yeah...
Immaturity doesn't make it bad
Kill Bill is entertaining and stylish enough to hold you for almost four hours. However it's still kinda shallow and vacuous.
If you want a truly great film about female retribution watch Sympathy For Lady Vengeance. It is poetic, morally ambiguous and genuinely thought provoking. Only the movie that Kill Bill could have been.
Hara kiri and sword of doom are real movies ... qT is so Lightweight....like little girls movies ...Lol
Kermode and Greer both have decent points to make. Hislop is just obnoxious.
One of the biggest problems with this film is the fact that everything that comes out of Uma Thurman's mouth sounds too agreeable. She doesn't have the hardened, forceful spirit she needs for a gritty and muscular revenge tale.
I like Hislop elsewhere, but here he was rude and sneerey. This was a "pervey film"? If he finds women slashing each other's heads off to be in someway pervey, that says more about him than the film.
People say "oh it's sexist you just leer at a woman's suffering for cheap entertainment." Doesn't Uma Therman dismember a good 100 men in one scene?!
@feldmanspotatoes : Her's was the last opinion expressed, and it was led in by two critics who thought the film was an attack on feminist views. I hate to make it a "you either get it or you don't" argument because every single Tarantino movie sets it up so well. I was commending her not for being a woman, but for being able to explain, amongst the cackling and snide one-offs, why she and many others enjoyed the film. Kermode didn't enjoy it for his reasons, and we enjoy KB immensely for hers.
Ian and Mark totally spot on in every respect about this pile of total tosh. As far as Bonnie is concerned - if only it was irony - but of course the Americans don't do/get irony!
please tell me you're joking with that comment about americans. she's an intellectual. she gets irony. ian is not spot on, he's a moron. he has zero awareness. she is the only person that actually offers any insight.
Poor Mark, lol. He absolutely nailed it with just a few sentences and then backs off when the other two idiots are babbling about shit that doesn't matter. Kill Bill was nothing more than bits of pieces that doesn't string together at all. Its only mildly fun if you have seen lots of exploitation, but doesn't come out as a proper homage on anything.
@aerialkate Wow, a third post... The point to which I first responded still stands, that Tarantino is not the only, or even the first, director to portray rape as it should be shown: absolutely horrifying and repugnant. In fact, if he even did so, it was probably by accident.
@aerialkate It was more the soothing, teeth grindingly patronising way that you put it. What I objected to most was just how off topic this has become. My original point still stands, that Tarantino is actually more exploitative of violence towards women than the average film director.
I like Mark and always enjoy his opinion but I have to disagree... perhaps I’m saying this with the glory of hindsight but I personally think kill bill is fantastic.
It’s just so watchable! I was Invested within minutes. Cinematography is great, colour schemes and visuals are striking, dialogue is typical Tarantino... and to top it off, the blood squirting violence comes down on you like rain... I love it 🤷♂️
This is what I like about Kermode, he actually walks the walk. Maybe back when this aired it didn't seem as unreasonable for a man to be lecturing a woman about feminism by means of constantly interrupting her? Among the men, only MK seems capable of defending his opinion in a mature fashion. And while I personally agreed with Greer's opinion on my first viewing of Kill Bill 1 in its initial run, hers is also clearly the more evergreen take on it here.
If this is a feminist movie, I guess so is I Spit on Your Grave. Cool!
Bonnie Greer hasn't apparently seen any action/revenge movies with female protagonists.
I prefer Part 1 over Part 2.
As a movie watcher, would I be happy to have Ian Hislop a my film critique?
It's just good trashy fun, don't go in expecting an Ingmar Bergman, Stanley Kubrick, Andrei Tarkovsky philosophical debate about the meaning of life and the human condition. Fucksake, it's just here because it's hillarious watching someone's arm get cut off (in a blackly humorous way...obviously).
What on earth does Hislop know about cinema?
This is exactly the kind of thing Stephen Fry put into Room 101
@MrMarcusirish I do agree with Kermode on the fact that "Jackie Brown" showed Tarantino to have potential to write lifelike characters with some depth, though.
Certain is that he only has to blame himself if, in his later films, he went back to his rip-off artist job and serving the most undiscerning (and ignorant) fringes of his large audience.
I felt like watching the two films was an endurance test, I was glad when it was over, I have little memory of character or plot, I won't watch either film again anytime soon
Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. When your first two films start off as good as those two then it must be seriously hard to top them. Orson Welles never got near Citizen kane. Stephen Merchant and Ricky Gervais haven't got within a hundred miles of The Office again. Some people like PTA seem to have increased each time on the film they did before. But he'll always be trying to emulate his first two films. Personally I really enjoyed Kill Bill as an action flick.
The Emperor's New Clothes is one of a number of stories in a book written by the Danish writer Hans Christen Anderson. The book was turned into a Film which starred Danny Kaye as Hans Christain Anderson. In the film the title of the story was altered to 'The King's New Clothes'. The film was a hugh success and I think the story is now more often refferred to as, 'The King's New Clothes'. However, I would agree that the use of either title would be correct:)
Comic book? Alan Moore was crying the exact moment he said that
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Believe me I take no joy whatsoever in having to argue with you. In fact I find it utterly depressing that I have to. I've simply noticed that young men in particular often champion what they perceive as 'edgy' directors and assume anyone who finds them repellent must go home and watch 'The Sound of Music' each night. It's just such a shame to me that 'edgy' all too often means 'fucking sad exploitation of sexual violence against women'.
I didn’t really like the film, but Bonnie made a good point
Oh Bonnie!! Playing the Devils advocate just for the sake of it isn't always a good idea.
The Man With No Name might be referring to the trilogy, also known as the Dollars trilogy.
His turkey like double chin makes him even more patronizing some how.
Hislop is amongst the most vociferous opponents holding any UK government to public account for over 3 or 4 decades.. a true patriot who looks to improve England, not wave flags. A man of considerable learning and intellect, not to mention self-effacing humour. A man who can stand for what is right, and yet question himself on what is right.
Sure.. but you comment on his chin.
@@TheKamikazenaz I'm not going to dispute any of that. But he can still be patronising and snarky, which he is. I don't find him very likeable at all tbh.
I occasionally find Ian Hislop funny but felt he was actually really rude in this chat, constantly overtalking her opinion and when she tries to explain the parts she liked, he sarcastically scoffs and says “YES I SAW THE FILM 🧐😌”
I think the problem was people went in to this film expecting a character drama when actually the genre he went for isn’t like that.
I’m surprised by the reactions here ? Sure the film is a bit long and could have been all condensed into 1 loved the theme or women fighting - something we didn’t see before this and I agree with bonnie that it’s a feminist film. Comparing it to his other films is just dumb anyway
It seems to be a rather pervy film.
😂😂😂
it sucks that looking up ebert kill bill only gives this and a review of 2 not 1
@Transformers2themax I recently wrote a very favourable review of Drive for my student newspaper. Should I have not done so? Is my opinion of the film invalid?
The bride's hit list should extend to those who hate this movie
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Review of a review * MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS*
The movie is based entirely on a comic book, its play like a live action comic book, the violence is comic book like and there is even a cartoon segment in the movie if anyone should be confused on what this movie is trying to be.
......and then Beavis Kermonde asks "where are the three dimensional characters?" and Butthead Hislop responds by channelling the pseudo morality of that repellent public scold and professional bore, Malcolm Muggerridge and thus, proving himself to be the bigger asshole by leaps and bounds!
It's not based on a comic, to my very vast knowledge. But if it is please let me know as it would be an awesome comic!! :D The cartoon segment is called anime.
You're quite right.
I had no idea Q&U stood for Quentin and Uma. I had looked it up a while ago and I suspect what appeared to be a comic to me were merely storyboards for Kill Bill.
I stand by my assessment of Ian Hislop though!
Haha no problem man! Got my hopes up that there was a comic book haha!!
I'm pretty sure that it is based on he movie "Lady Snowblood."
No, but it does reference it.
Lots of people have commented on how Mark and Bonnie Greer are the only decent critics on this, but to be fair that's their job whereas Ian Hislop is a satirical journalist - he's not really in his element commenting on films he clearly doesn't have any taste for. (Personally I agree wholeheartedly with Mark Kermode, the feminist angle of the film can be lauded but overall I found the film pretty boring so for me it was the only outright miss for Tarantino).
I disagree with you. Jackie Brown is based on a solid Elmore Leonard novel and as a narrative story it hangs together well. It doesn't rely on a knowledge of Blaxploitation because other than its lead actor, the rest of the cast are not Blaxploitation stars. The violence is more restrained in Jackie Brown, there's a subtext of getting old (every character except two is over 40) and dealing with failed ambitions and there's less action "porn" than in Tarantino's subsequent career.
Yeah it's crap. Jackie brown is crap. Everything he's done since pulp fiction is crap. He's wildly unoriginal.
@aerialkate A Clockwork Orange does not celebrate violence against women. And I don't think you can suggest that the man who made Death Proof is some feminist crusader.
As a woman I can only apologize for Bonny. She doesn't represent us all.
How can anyone not like Kill Bill?
Kermode is one of my favorite critics. I disagree with him a lot but I love hearing his point of view. I really liked this movie. It’s just fun violence.
..that statement could be severely misconstrued ! . . ..
@@krishnan-resurrection714 not sure what you mean. I didn’t say violence is fun as a blanket statement. I said I really liked the movie. It’s (the movie) just fun violence.
It’s sad that you need this explained to you.
@@Bateman61405 evil characters like this QT are degenerate vermin ..thats what i mean ..if you want to watch intelligent cinema...watch 1970s movies
@@krishnan-resurrection714 ugh
I feel sorry for you. To each his own I say. Leave people alone and let them do/watch what they want.
I love Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2 but I agree with Kermode and Hislop more than with that Greer woman