But crediting the original creator of the thing you're showcasing should be the bare minimum, nothing humble about it. Mumbo is humble, though, just in other ways
It really bothers me how some creators fail to provide credit despite the fact that it will literally do no harm to them and will only help the original creator grow
@@LightPink you arent endorsing them it's credit, by that logic content creators shouldnt collaborate with ANYONE (which i guess in regards to the dream smp wouldve been a good idea)
yeah uh so basically it's the exact same, oh wait no yeah this is that and uhh you can't really comprehend it if you haven't built it. it's not even interesting to watch anyways chat
If it was technoblade I would have believed it, but none of the other dsmp members could match the determination of a man who spent 600 hours farming potatoes.
@tecnicraze ong though but in fact our glorious king technoblade did use cheats during the dream SMP though in fairness, everyone did, its a lore server after all
@@QUBIQUBED yea, that is true! technoblade is the peak of mcyt and no one can convince me otherwise, his character/personality was good, and so was his skill as a storyteller and internet personality
@tecnicraze he was living on limited time so why not farm potatoes cuz youll know youll be dead while committing to somethign of actual value. so potato famaring for 600 hours seems fien cuz its a yt video maybe a record taht hell be remembered by it makes sense cuz he was goign to always die
"You're just an awesamdude hater" yes, correct actually, and it's entirely reasonable to be a hater against people who blatantly plagiarise others and then make no attempt at crediting or apologising even after being called out. Hating on people who did something bad is, believe it or not, a good thing.
I also remember when he built a 5x5 honey piston door that was exactly Mumbo's design. That I personally made a tutorial on which is still on my channel to this day. And he never provided credit toward Mumbo. It's not hard to credit people for their work, it's called being decent.
I have tried this, but not with redstone, but mc skins. A guy made a post with my skin, and I commented, hey! That’s my skin, pls give me credit, here is a link for where u had to download it. After a while he replied that he has made it, and it could be that we made the exact same.. PIXEL FOR PIXEL.
That reminds me of a time that I looked into the code of a data pack on planetmc, and just so happened to recognize that there were deprecated functions from a different pack I had previously looked at. Had the exact same internal names and everything. When I said they should give credit, they blocked me :/
This happens on Bedrock Edition's "Minecraft Marketplace" Creators will often steal skins from Skindex and sell them for "Minecoins" which can be exchanged for USD. Yikes
to be clear i'm not defending them just being pedantic but it takes a bit longer than that to go find the video again and actually put the link in the description still the least you can do though
Very needed video, great job! I've always found it funny that some people view crediting redstone builds as silly.. I would love to see them make the redstone themselves.
Man I feel really bad for Walter, I can’t imagine what that must have felt like having your work stolen by a creator that is bigger than you, then having the Dream SMP stans saying that is was a coincidence or he just copied it from the SMP
11:50 even when in RP you can still give credit by saying “Oh yeah I got the blueprints for this amazing build from an engineer from far away, I think his name was like (enter social media username here).” And done you just gave credit without breaking too much immersion
I remember watching technoblade and he always said that like. Nothing he built was designed by him, not the house or the big wither vault door. Though I don't remember if he ever gave credit for either Also to add on, with the world download it was revealed that the prison was actually made in a different world, using world edit, and then pasted into the Dream SMP world. Which might mean that it's possible that the door was also copy pasted inside lol
@@CraftyMasterman He did. He credited the builder in every livestream description his house appeared in. However, I will say (as a Techno fan), he should have also put a link to the door in his description, as it does appear in a few streams later on when he shows off the vault. In his "Nothing bad ever happens at a festival" livestream, at 1:01:00 Dream asks him about how long it took him to build the door and Techno complains a bit about how it's always breaking. During this exchange, however, he does not claim credit for it like Awesamdude does. In fact, the opposite can be inferred when he talks about his lack of knowledge around the "redstone dot", so I doubt any of his viewers were under the impression he created it. Of course a shout-out or a link in the description or comments would have been best, but honestly it probably slipped his mind and if the original creator had reached out and asked for credit, I am certain he would have done so. Edit: So I did some digging and it looks like Techno got the door from a fellow DSMP member, hence why he didn't credit. You'll never guess which member it was...
"how do you steal a redstone build" I don't know, how do you steal art taking work and not giving credit IS stealing, how do people not realize that applies to more than just paintings
Fr, Hermitcraft and gang feels like the one group of minecraft content creators made up of mature, respectable people No drama, just a bunch of goofballs having fun
To be fair, there was some drama back at the start of Season 9 with eother Tango or Impulse not crediting aesthetic builds (a colluseum with a very distinct flag). But since then I don't think I've seen any Hermit not giving credit.
@@DyslecticAttack Really? First time i've heard about it. What was the actual situation? (Also ya, i know about the current issue, but it just shows how honourable the members really are.)
@ Yeah, can't remember how it ended. But there were some drama videos about it (which is how I knew, because I got recommended them back then), as well as some comments about it on the video about how and why people were disappointed it wasn't credited.
People don't care about "crediting artists" unless the art is something widely accepted as art. (Specifically something you could easily post to twitter) Work done in games, from mods to builds are often given zero care, and their creators are often little more than resources to these people.
Minecraft mod theft is a lot worse than any other theft, because you can just steal a popular mod and then inject a virus, so not only does it steal popularity from the original creator, it also hurts the people using the stolen mod.
Huh. I assumed he went into where the redstone designs came from in his livestreams but the fact he never named them is crazyyyy. Yet another Hermitcraft W.
@@Huntracony Dream and Tommy are arguing online. Basically Tommy thinks he's an arsehole and Dream responded with a 3 hour live stream, multiple Reddit posts and a TH-cam video.
Thank you for uploading for this, it’s important for people to know about these things. It’s unfortunate how often and no one knows because the other creators are usually too small to be found easily.
I’ve seen mentions of his theft here and there but I don’t think anyone’s made a comprehensive statement, a video or post overviewing everything, at least not that I could find.
Bro the first time i ever heard the name craftymasterman was in that one mumbo video, i always assumed you were like always this big lol, never realized thats what kickstarted the whole thing. Congrats to you, and Mumbo's the goat!
What I hate is the insistence that it's some form of suspension of disbelief, and that IN CANON, awesamdude is this amazing redstoner who makes everything by himself and built all his stuff in survival cuz he's just that good. Yeah it's a compelling narrative for a lore-centric server, but that doesn't excuse blatantly fucking lying to your audience, especially when any amount of critical thinking shows that it's a load of dirty barnacles defended by the fact of "oh well in the lore he's good at redstone, they can just say they built it themselves" but the minute you insist you built it all yourself and fail to provide credits to others, it's not longer just "in lore" it's just you taking credit for other people's work.
Look no further than Docm77, who gleefully and constantly wraps his character and skin in lore, from the robot arm to his butterfly wings to every Nobody Touches My Redstone rant, who _knows_ that he's known for ridiculously high level, game breaking redstone, and in the exact same breath, is constantly shouting out machines he's adapted, tutorials he thinks are great, people he's worked with, people he's had design redstone for him, etc etc etc. He's a great educator and _can_ talk laymen through how complex builds work, even if he didn't design them, so ostensibly he could take credit, or even just slap a sign or link down and 95% of the watchers would happily drink it up without blinking. He's regularly lauded by fans as being a redstone genius, but just give it a few days and he'll pop up in the comments of whatever Doc Is A Genius Madman video comes along, "I'm just the messenger, I'm just showcasing, this was the Hivemind, this other person pioneered the concept, so-and-so worked with me on this, they made a video, you have to check it out."
I don't bring up the comparison of Doc to villify Awesamdude for missing the mark (though I do think radio silence is not the best course of action right now). Comparisons between DSMP and Hermitcraft are also somewhat flawed, since they were two very different environments (livestreamed unscripted roleplay between young creators with little to no defined decision making structure and overnight, explosive popularity, versus heavily edited "lets play" content with occasional superficial roleplay elements between a generally older and more experienced group of professional colleague-friends that have been developing a collaborative project for years with a defined democratic decision making process) Roleplay isn't easy and they all were pretty young and trying something on for the first time and I think there definitely was some struggle to find a good balance between "I'm playing this character" and "the character isn't me" for many of them. And they didn't have the benefit of planning, nor of editing video to do their storytelling. Livestreaming roleplay and boucing in and out of character in a zero-structure environment with a huge audience who were trying to piece together a consistent narrative out of a hundred inconsistent pieces. It went wrong. Many times. It got messy. Bad decisions were made. Let's look at it as the massive "lessons learned" experiment that it was, learn the lessons, and grow. And credit redstone engineers.
I believe what people are frustrated about, in these many comments you've shown, is the aspect of having to "nametag" every piece of redstone component, devices and machines they build following tutorials. Especially so since they more than often do not produce content out of these contraptions. So most likely, they must imagine that we demand that they give credit in their singleplayer world, multiplayer servers, and so on. What your video managed to demonstrate perfectly is that the core reason is much simpler and important. You even went out of your way to explain the case by case situation about crediting, and overall you managed to keep your compass straight through this exposition. Nice job! =)
A while back, not too long after Mangrove wood got added to the game, DocM77 followed a design to farm said wood from a small TH-camr Frunocraft. I ended up subscribing to him and watched a few of his videos (quite entertaining), but recently built his 1.21.4 Resin farm and it’s just really good. Credit isn’t just good for growth but good for the people who are part of enabling the growth, I don’t know if I would have bothered building that design had I not seen his particular video
the fact that people are so upset about giving credit is baffling; there is no other comparable thing in which credit is not mandatory yet they can't seem to grasp such a simple concept
I'm honestly more surprised that it's only *the* one guy from DSMP that plagirizes redstone builds, good on the rest of the creators for having bare minimum levels of integrity.
I imagine Sam was so commited to the "100% legit, all skill server" pitch of the DreamSMP that he decided it was easier to lie about useing creative, and steal credit for designs than to have to explain to the fans that the server isnt made of greek god level minecrafters. Idiot behavior imo.
Except here is the thing. When you are doing ANy role play stuff, you clearly delineate what you are vs what the character is. When you are not role playing, give credit.
Technoblade wasn't like this. He followed a build tutorial to build his cottage on the DSMP. However, he always credited the Builder in his Livestream Descriptions.
I know in hindsight “Awesamdude claiming that he made Pandora’s vault all by himself when he actually used world download and stole all the designs” probably isnt on the top of anyone’s Dream drama lists, but it is personally one of the most insulting because they didn’t HAVE to act like it was a 1000% original design created in survival. They could’ve just said that they used creative. It was a roleplay server, nobody would care. But no, Dream and Sam did the exact opposite and stroked their own egos live on stream.
I never trusted that stuff like Pandora's vault were made in Survival, but thought the guy would at the very least have designed it himself using worldedit, apperently it's better to just lie about making it in survival & the original creator of the redstone. It really shouldn't be hard for anyone, especially a creator on a popular smp to just give credit when using someone's design. Only reason I can think of lying about it is for a small ego boost to look smarter. If he truly cared about credit, he could have talked about credit at the end of the stream, or if he forgot, simply talk about it for the next stream. Credit is extremely important, especially for smaller creators, if an artist were to make an artwork, and some guy showed the artwork on a stream/video and claimed it as their own, you the original creator would feel awful.
Here's how I understand how Awesamdude demonstrating the stolen redstone went: Awesamdude: "Check out this incredible thing I made!" Audience: "Cool! Tell us more about it!" Awesamdude: "It's this incredible thing I made." Audience: "Yeah but how does it work?" Awesamdude: "Oh idk, it just kind of... uhhh... I mean it's pretty complicated so it just kind of... it's just this incredible thing I made."
I mean. Of course he won't admit who actually made those designs he claimed to have done himself. Of course he won't answer your dms. That would mean admitting guilt and once you've dug yourself a grave this deep, you may as well cover yourself in that dirt. Lovely video though! That door used in the prison is pretty sweet, I gotta find a way it'd fit in my own survival world ^^
Hermitcraft is the best minecraft smp. Builders making amazing structures and docm77 breaking the game. Everyone gets along and server wide events like the war in season 7 make for some very memorable events. Then you have dream smp stealing redstone builds and creating a prison to tourture your friends.
The issue with redstone is that it's an art form just like building or painting or music, but the art can be very easily hidden - in fact, it's designed to be. Redstoners are uses to seeing builds like 3x3 piston doors with all of the redstone revealed, and they'll be able to identify them based on their piston layout, wiring, and opening and closing patterns. But to a non-redstoner, a 3x3 piston door is just a single thing, and it can't be "stolen" from any particular person, because everyone makes them. They see redstone builds as scientific facts that aren’t "owned" by anyone, but are simply pieces of knowledge that can be learnt and showcased without giving credit. For instance, if you watch a tutorial on how a comparator works, you don't then need to credit the creator of the tutorial every single time you use a comparator! And if you said that you'd figured out how to use a comparator all on your own, you'd be lying, but it wouldn't hurt anyone. And sadly, this idea has been extended outwards to redstone builds much MUCH more complicated. To the point where people are copying impressive builds that will get a lot of attention, and they're taking thst credit for themselves. And since they're the ones with credit and the larger reputation, the original creator could never get noticed, or even receive backlash for "copying" the build that they originally created that got stolen from them. And that seriously *does* hurt them, and their channel. And it needs to be stopped.
A lot of the arguments against giving credit boils down to down to “it’s not that important” which is the same garbage excuse every content thief has ever given to justify profiting from other people’s work
9:30 I LITERALLY JOINED IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE COOL STUFF YOU CAN FIND IT, IF NOT FOR REKRAP CREDITING, I'D NEVER FIND SUCH A GREAT RESOURCE AND INSTEAD I WOULD FIND CRAPPY STOLEN FARMS ON TH-cam 😭😭
you know all those people who replied to the tweet have never watched an actually good minecraft SMP like hermitcraft before because hermitcraft shows that all it takes to credit is say "I got this one from [redstoner]" and move on, it's really not that hard
All those people in the intro Accusing you of having "no sense of intellectual property" are nuts, like do they hear themselves? The call is coming from inside the house.
17:16 this part of the video is great, awesome editing within Minecraft. Loved the topic and your explanation What is crazy is that the Roulette table from Rexxstone is also used by Docm77 on Hermitcraft currently, and he credited him
I think a great idea to make sure people don't steal your Redstone is to put like a sign or a Redstone torch or something that does NOTHING but its like your signature so you can pinpoint if it's yours
Yes! This reminds me of the "is it real or is it cake" baker who uses brightly colored green buttercream as a signature. Verry easy to pick her stuff out when someone else reposts it or puts it in a compulation (or describe the channel for others when you forget the freaking channel name, lol 😅)
It's upsetting to hear that awesomedude didn't credit RkfWalter and claimed that he spent hours making the door because most of that prison was made in creative (shoutout to Kenadian) and also because Awesomedude can do redstone considering he mostly made every version of Hades Vault and was the lead redstoner on Gaias vault. Really has you questioning what else was stolen in those prisons.
R.K.F. Walter taught me a lot about redstone, fantastic tutorials. I used one of his hidden stair designs on a streamer's server and I left a sign in the redstone crediting him.
redstone builds should be treated like a college/high school research essay source. you should always credit/give citations of the source, especially if used in a public setting.
perfect explanation. I can attest to the growth us redstoners can receive from simply giving credit, like when Rekrap credited a farm I made, the tutorial video got more views than my past 6 videos, and I got comments from people saying that they saw the farm from his video and love using it.
great video! I had no idea Sam just followed tutorials and never directly credited the og creators. I think some people forget that following a tutorial doesn't make you any less of a Redstoner.
I used to watch your videos 3-4 years ago. It was a lock combination tutorial i think. I didnt even realize right now this was you until I saw I was subscribed. Great job man I was honestly rooting for you to grow because they were really nice.
When I do build a farm designed by another person on a multiplayer server (which is almost always, the most complicated farm I can build by myself is an automatic sugarcane farm), I've just developed a habit of adding a sign somewhere visible listing the name of the creator
I’m pretty sure that Mumbo shout out was how I found your channel. Finding good redstone creators to follow is hard. You can’t just search for “good redstoner” because they post infrequently, making the algorithm disfavor them. If we want to keep seeing new creations, they need to be shouted out.
shoutout to fundy for always doing his wacky redstone on his own tbh. one of my fav streams to this day are him building that wacky launcher for his secret bunker under the flag, and even though now badly painted by iskalls actions, still a very fun stream of fundy being in a dc call with him goofing around trying to make a, i think, 2x2 piston door ehile following iskalls lead but trolling him so hard in return (fundy was fully capable of making that door on his own). if i was to call someone a designated redstone guy of the dsmp i would proudly name fundy
Twitter users are mad about crediting other people because they are too ignorant to actually do those things themselves they HAVE to follow a tutorial or else they would just be useless.
1: Those who are saying: It's just a redstone build. The same logic applies to everything. Its just a bunch of letters, literally nobody gives a fuck if someone copied it. Its just a bunch of frames, etc etc etc. 2: It doesn't have to be like this? Hermitcraft, a server which was pretty much THE SMP server does it perfectly. Mumbo does make builds himself, and when he doesn't he mentions it IN THE VIDEO itself(even if he sometimes forgets to put the links in the description). Every member does. Same with builds, every member mentions if they even took inspiration from someone's builds. It costs NOTHING, in fact it benefits you, cause you now have sent a lot of people over to one channel, and even if a few people from that channel make their way over to you you still benefitted 3: There is a difference between 10:16 and what is stealing. Using tutorials is fine. That is what they are made for. When you use that tutorial though, and PROFIT off of someone else's work, when crediting costs NOTHING, then it is stealing. Use someone else's work however you want. However, if it is giving you value, give value back.
People who think wanting credit for a redstone design is silly are probably the same people watching xqc "react" to other people's videos while not being present for half of it.
Check out all the original redstoners in the description!
Hellooo!
waiting for awsomedude to comment the video?
Can you try my redstone builds I made?
Yea he’s right it’s to similar to be coincidence
Very cool
RKFWalter should be an honorary DSMP member at this point
...but without all the negative connotations that come with that LOL
Yooo purples whats up
fr
lol
More of a Technoblade, less of a Dream. More of a MumboJumbo, less of an iskall85. More of a Kier, less of a YelloWool.
Hi purplers
To his credit he's right, redstone is easy if someone else has already designed it for you
trode
Damn
omg i love gd trident
tride i think this is the wrong game
beef wellington
Thats why i love mumbo. Hes so humble, and always credits the creators
tbh, that's not anything special, that's just being a decent human being
Giving credit isn't being humble, it's basic human decency
same with docm, i just got reminded of him after i heard walter talk(se german accent strikes again, lol)
@@gauwal well in a world where many people lack this basic human decency, it shows a lot of character when someone still does it
@gauwal yeah, but he is also an amazing redstoner who still says that "nah, there are many more talented people out there"
But crediting the original creator of the thing you're showcasing should be the bare minimum, nothing humble about it. Mumbo is humble, though, just in other ways
People that dont do redstone can't understand that it is difficult do design stuff
According to the Minecraft EULA, you own the things you make in Minecraft. Even if it was easy, you still own it.
@ertelmisegi its more of a ethics thing
@BrankoVT Also it's just plagiarism.
yup, people who don't create don't understand creation
@@the-digital-idiot If you claim that it's your design, it's plagiarism. If you just use it without credit, it isn't.
It really bothers me how some creators fail to provide credit despite the fact that it will literally do no harm to them and will only help the original creator grow
it's just ego; they want their thousands of viewers to think they're cool and awesome even though that's not the case
@@LightPink you arent endorsing them it's credit, by that logic content creators shouldnt collaborate with ANYONE (which i guess in regards to the dream smp wouldve been a good idea)
But you see, if they credit the original creator they can't then pretend to be smart, awesome and good at the game.
@@LightPink"If your employer turns out to have a bad political view, it's gonna reflect badly on your resume"
putting a link in the comments could mean people clicking off the video and not watching more of your videos.
Him tryin' to explain the door is so funny LMAO!
Thus my comment ;D
IKR he knows absolutely nothing about it
yeah uh so basically it's the exact same, oh wait no yeah this is that and uhh you can't really comprehend it if you haven't built it. it's not even interesting to watch anyways chat
"Uhh" "Uhhhh" "Uh"
@@RKFWalter Haha krass
how does it feel to have like 98% of this video finished then your recommended gets filled with dream smp "drama" lmao
Mb xd
it's good timing tbh it might boost this video in the algorithm more
Him explaining the door he didn’t build gives the same vibes as trying to have a book presentation about a book you didn’t read
Too real
Probably didn’t even see how it goes together, (schematica)
I did my english IB without reading the books and i was much more coherent, more like they didnt even know the fundamentals of redstone
Redstoners, map makers, modders, and resource pack creators always deserve credit. they are the backbone of the minecraft community
Datapack creators:
Awesamdude insisted that he built Pandora's Vault in survival.
Well, if you watch Kenadian, you'll know those were just lies.
If it was technoblade I would have believed it, but none of the other dsmp members could match the determination of a man who spent 600 hours farming potatoes.
@tecnicraze ong though
but in fact our glorious king technoblade did use cheats during the dream SMP
though in fairness, everyone did, its a lore server after all
@@RedLifeMC At least he credited the builder of his cottage in his livestream descriptions...
Awesamdude didn't even do that, shameless!
@@QUBIQUBED yea, that is true!
technoblade is the peak of mcyt and no one can convince me otherwise, his character/personality was good, and so was his skill as a storyteller and internet personality
@tecnicraze he was living on limited time so why not farm potatoes cuz youll know youll be dead while committing to somethign of actual value. so potato famaring for 600 hours seems fien cuz its a yt video maybe a record taht hell be remembered by it makes sense cuz he was goign to always die
"You're just an awesamdude hater" yes, correct actually, and it's entirely reasonable to be a hater against people who blatantly plagiarise others and then make no attempt at crediting or apologising even after being called out. Hating on people who did something bad is, believe it or not, a good thing.
Hermitcraft and Dream SMP are the light and dark side of Minecraft servers
Real
I also remember when he built a 5x5 honey piston door that was exactly Mumbo's design. That I personally made a tutorial on which is still on my channel to this day. And he never provided credit toward Mumbo. It's not hard to credit people for their work, it's called being decent.
I have tried this, but not with redstone, but mc skins. A guy made a post with my skin, and I commented, hey! That’s my skin, pls give me credit, here is a link for where u had to download it. After a while he replied that he has made it, and it could be that we made the exact same.. PIXEL FOR PIXEL.
plot twist: the entire skin was just white pixels
What was the skin may I ask (also that’s insane)
That reminds me of a time that I looked into the code of a data pack on planetmc, and just so happened to recognize that there were deprecated functions from a different pack I had previously looked at. Had the exact same internal names and everything. When I said they should give credit, they blocked me :/
This happens on Bedrock Edition's "Minecraft Marketplace"
Creators will often steal skins from Skindex and sell them for "Minecoins" which can be exchanged for USD.
Yikes
@ that’s just copyright infringement
It takes less than 5 seconds to say "I followed a tutorial from X person on TH-cam. Their video is linked in the description"
to be clear i'm not defending them just being pedantic but it takes a bit longer than that to go find the video again and actually put the link in the description
still the least you can do though
@bubbleslasher yeah, I totally get what you mean but also that was a hyperbole
@@bubbleslasher it doesnt take much more than a minute to go check your youtube history :)
Very needed video, great job! I've always found it funny that some people view crediting redstone builds as silly.. I would love to see them make the redstone themselves.
fr
tbh it would be so funny to have someone like awesamdude try and do reds tone without a tutorial on stream
Man I feel really bad for Walter, I can’t imagine what that must have felt like having your work stolen by a creator that is bigger than you, then having the Dream SMP stans saying that is was a coincidence or he just copied it from the SMP
I primarily was annoyed, with a hint of anger. Then I kinda forgot about it, since I couldn't do anthing about it anyway (until Crafty came by).
@@RKFWalterh im subbed
@@RKFWalter I would have went fucking INSANE. Props to you
@ I guess that’s good, and I wish you best of luck making more redstone contraptions
You’d think anyone with a brain would be able to at least recognize that he couldn’t have copied it from the SMP because of the upload dare
11:50 even when in RP you can still give credit by saying “Oh yeah I got the blueprints for this amazing build from an engineer from far away, I think his name was like (enter social media username here).” And done you just gave credit without breaking too much immersion
I remember watching technoblade and he always said that like. Nothing he built was designed by him, not the house or the big wither vault door. Though I don't remember if he ever gave credit for either
Also to add on, with the world download it was revealed that the prison was actually made in a different world, using world edit, and then pasted into the Dream SMP world. Which might mean that it's possible that the door was also copy pasted inside lol
The house he did iirc
Pretty sure Techno linked the tutorial he used for his snow house. He was always good about giving credit where it was due
@@genesisfrog yeah just can't remember cuz it's been A LONG time.
Technoblade gave credit
He was very epic
@@CraftyMasterman He did. He credited the builder in every livestream description his house appeared in. However, I will say (as a Techno fan), he should have also put a link to the door in his description, as it does appear in a few streams later on when he shows off the vault. In his "Nothing bad ever happens at a festival" livestream, at 1:01:00 Dream asks him about how long it took him to build the door and Techno complains a bit about how it's always breaking. During this exchange, however, he does not claim credit for it like Awesamdude does. In fact, the opposite can be inferred when he talks about his lack of knowledge around the "redstone dot", so I doubt any of his viewers were under the impression he created it. Of course a shout-out or a link in the description or comments would have been best, but honestly it probably slipped his mind and if the original creator had reached out and asked for credit, I am certain he would have done so.
Edit: So I did some digging and it looks like Techno got the door from a fellow DSMP member, hence why he didn't credit. You'll never guess which member it was...
"how do you steal a redstone build"
I don't know, how do you steal art
taking work and not giving credit IS stealing, how do people not realize that applies to more than just paintings
based comment
probably dream stans trying really hard to not have to dislike their favorite creators for doing bad things
Technically that's not stealing, its piracy! A form of copyright infringement.
@@Endless-fire I think plagiarizing is a more appropriate term.
You can't steal something that isn't yours. Just because you make something, doesn't mean you should own it.
Huh, looks like youtube ate my previous comment... Oh, well.
Amazing video, Crafty!
Even better than I imagined!
I just went to newest and saw the comment. I hope awesomedude will give you credit.
@@patfre Would be a nice gesture at least. We'll have to see.
youtube was hungry 😞
Major props to you, you absolutely should have been given credit. I wish you the best.
@@zacattak4837 Thank you for the kind words :)
5:03 & 5:20 & 8:32 & 9:48
The hermits always giving credit, reminds me that I made the correct decision in who I watch
Fr, Hermitcraft and gang feels like the one group of minecraft content creators made up of mature, respectable people
No drama, just a bunch of goofballs having fun
The only dream smp guys that I really cared about was Schlatt and techno and as soon as they were gone I stopped caring about the dream smp.
To be fair, there was some drama back at the start of Season 9 with eother Tango or Impulse not crediting aesthetic builds (a colluseum with a very distinct flag). But since then I don't think I've seen any Hermit not giving credit.
@@DyslecticAttack Really? First time i've heard about it. What was the actual situation? (Also ya, i know about the current issue, but it just shows how honourable the members really are.)
@ Yeah, can't remember how it ended. But there were some drama videos about it (which is how I knew, because I got recommended them back then), as well as some comments about it on the video about how and why people were disappointed it wasn't credited.
Its been a known thing among some redstoners that lots of stuff on dsmp are stolen. But most of them were afraid to speak out because of the fans
People don't care about "crediting artists" unless the art is something widely accepted as art. (Specifically something you could easily post to twitter)
Work done in games, from mods to builds are often given zero care, and their creators are often little more than resources to these people.
Minecraft mod theft is a lot worse than any other theft, because you can just steal a popular mod and then inject a virus, so not only does it steal popularity from the original creator, it also hurts the people using the stolen mod.
something about these advanced redstoner engineers being german just feels right
Huh. I assumed he went into where the redstone designs came from in his livestreams but the fact he never named them is crazyyyy. Yet another Hermitcraft W.
What’s even funnier IMO is that he most likely followed a tutorial and it still took him 8 hours.
im gonna steal all your builds and upload it on a channel called MraftyCasterman then beat you to 300k
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Yes
hi dupertrooper
Duper why were you in the Coffeezilla gambling expose video
insane timing
yup
Why?
@@Huntracony Dream and Tommy are arguing online. Basically Tommy thinks he's an arsehole and Dream responded with a 3 hour live stream, multiple Reddit posts and a TH-cam video.
@SWAHswah-tm7sn
“Tommy thinks he’s an…”
Is he talking about himself or Dream? (genuine question)
@SWAHswah-tm7sn tommy be like: you and your friends did some fucked up shit to a 16 years old
dream be like: uhm ackshually you're lying 🤓🤓🤓🤓
Thank you for uploading for this, it’s important for people to know about these things. It’s unfortunate how often and no one knows because the other creators are usually too small to be found easily.
Ray's works popped a vein while watching this video.
I’ve seen mentions of his theft here and there but I don’t think anyone’s made a comprehensive statement, a video or post overviewing everything, at least not that I could find.
lmao
*vein
@@quakxy_dukxI think the one he gets clowned on for the most is end portal gravity block duping
@ thanks.
Bro the first time i ever heard the name craftymasterman was in that one mumbo video, i always assumed you were like always this big lol, never realized thats what kickstarted the whole thing. Congrats to you, and Mumbo's the goat!
What I hate is the insistence that it's some form of suspension of disbelief, and that IN CANON, awesamdude is this amazing redstoner who makes everything by himself and built all his stuff in survival cuz he's just that good. Yeah it's a compelling narrative for a lore-centric server, but that doesn't excuse blatantly fucking lying to your audience, especially when any amount of critical thinking shows that it's a load of dirty barnacles defended by the fact of "oh well in the lore he's good at redstone, they can just say they built it themselves" but the minute you insist you built it all yourself and fail to provide credits to others, it's not longer just "in lore" it's just you taking credit for other people's work.
Look no further than Docm77, who gleefully and constantly wraps his character and skin in lore, from the robot arm to his butterfly wings to every Nobody Touches My Redstone rant, who _knows_ that he's known for ridiculously high level, game breaking redstone, and in the exact same breath, is constantly shouting out machines he's adapted, tutorials he thinks are great, people he's worked with, people he's had design redstone for him, etc etc etc. He's a great educator and _can_ talk laymen through how complex builds work, even if he didn't design them, so ostensibly he could take credit, or even just slap a sign or link down and 95% of the watchers would happily drink it up without blinking. He's regularly lauded by fans as being a redstone genius, but just give it a few days and he'll pop up in the comments of whatever Doc Is A Genius Madman video comes along, "I'm just the messenger, I'm just showcasing, this was the Hivemind, this other person pioneered the concept, so-and-so worked with me on this, they made a video, you have to check it out."
I don't bring up the comparison of Doc to villify Awesamdude for missing the mark (though I do think radio silence is not the best course of action right now). Comparisons between DSMP and Hermitcraft are also somewhat flawed, since they were two very different environments (livestreamed unscripted roleplay between young creators with little to no defined decision making structure and overnight, explosive popularity, versus heavily edited "lets play" content with occasional superficial roleplay elements between a generally older and more experienced group of professional colleague-friends that have been developing a collaborative project for years with a defined democratic decision making process)
Roleplay isn't easy and they all were pretty young and trying something on for the first time and I think there definitely was some struggle to find a good balance between "I'm playing this character" and "the character isn't me" for many of them. And they didn't have the benefit of planning, nor of editing video to do their storytelling. Livestreaming roleplay and boucing in and out of character in a zero-structure environment with a huge audience who were trying to piece together a consistent narrative out of a hundred inconsistent pieces. It went wrong. Many times. It got messy. Bad decisions were made. Let's look at it as the massive "lessons learned" experiment that it was, learn the lessons, and grow. And credit redstone engineers.
Ratio -ing dream is crazy lol
It really is not
I know I was just kiddin lol - you have a nice day bro
A few years ago, maybe. Not anymore though.
Yea I forgot about the controversy before commenting and didn’t expect to get so many likes 💀
I believe what people are frustrated about, in these many comments you've shown, is the aspect of having to "nametag" every piece of redstone component, devices and machines they build following tutorials. Especially so since they more than often do not produce content out of these contraptions. So most likely, they must imagine that we demand that they give credit in their singleplayer world, multiplayer servers, and so on.
What your video managed to demonstrate perfectly is that the core reason is much simpler and important. You even went out of your way to explain the case by case situation about crediting, and overall you managed to keep your compass straight through this exposition.
Nice job! =)
A while back, not too long after Mangrove wood got added to the game, DocM77 followed a design to farm said wood from a small TH-camr Frunocraft.
I ended up subscribing to him and watched a few of his videos (quite entertaining), but recently built his 1.21.4 Resin farm and it’s just really good.
Credit isn’t just good for growth but good for the people who are part of enabling the growth, I don’t know if I would have bothered building that design had I not seen his particular video
the fact that people are so upset about giving credit is baffling; there is no other comparable thing in which credit is not mandatory yet they can't seem to grasp such a simple concept
I'm honestly more surprised that it's only *the* one guy from DSMP that plagirizes redstone builds, good on the rest of the creators for having bare minimum levels of integrity.
Didn't expect it to be *this* bad .-.
Awesome video, really like how you delved into the good sides of crediting, too!
Prison community dunking on dsmp
Redstone community dunking on dsmp
What next ?
PvP community dunking on dsmp
dream community dunking on dsmp
@gugolunayes
6:20 is like when you ask chatgpt to solve your task and couldn't understand what the teacher asked
I imagine Sam was so commited to the "100% legit, all skill server" pitch of the DreamSMP that he decided it was easier to lie about useing creative, and steal credit for designs than to have to explain to the fans that the server isnt made of greek god level minecrafters.
Idiot behavior imo.
Well except that "100% legit, all skill server" pitch of the DreamSMP just didn't exist
Except here is the thing. When you are doing ANy role play stuff, you clearly delineate what you are vs what the character is. When you are not role playing, give credit.
@normalchannel2185 that would be smart, but all I know Sam for is redstone plagiarism, so I doubt he would know how to do that
Technoblade wasn't like this. He followed a build tutorial to build his cottage on the DSMP.
However, he always credited the Builder in his Livestream Descriptions.
Yeah, I think he even mentioned where the door was from at some point. He had to fix it too, so it wasn't just in one stream.
RKF Walter and RexxStone has such a german Accent XD
He sounds like he just speaks german using english words
I know in hindsight “Awesamdude claiming that he made Pandora’s vault all by himself when he actually used world download and stole all the designs” probably isnt on the top of anyone’s Dream drama lists, but it is personally one of the most insulting because they didn’t HAVE to act like it was a 1000% original design created in survival. They could’ve just said that they used creative. It was a roleplay server, nobody would care. But no, Dream and Sam did the exact opposite and stroked their own egos live on stream.
I love that your friend's response was so badass. "Make sure your next video is a fucking banger" like, heck yeah, what a way to light a fire
I never trusted that stuff like Pandora's vault were made in Survival, but thought the guy would at the very least have designed it himself using worldedit, apperently it's better to just lie about making it in survival & the original creator of the redstone. It really shouldn't be hard for anyone, especially a creator on a popular smp to just give credit when using someone's design. Only reason I can think of lying about it is for a small ego boost to look smarter. If he truly cared about credit, he could have talked about credit at the end of the stream, or if he forgot, simply talk about it for the next stream.
Credit is extremely important, especially for smaller creators, if an artist were to make an artwork, and some guy showed the artwork on a stream/video and claimed it as their own, you the original creator would feel awful.
Here's how I understand how Awesamdude demonstrating the stolen redstone went:
Awesamdude: "Check out this incredible thing I made!"
Audience: "Cool! Tell us more about it!"
Awesamdude: "It's this incredible thing I made."
Audience: "Yeah but how does it work?"
Awesamdude: "Oh idk, it just kind of... uhhh... I mean it's pretty complicated so it just kind of... it's just this incredible thing I made."
I mean. Of course he won't admit who actually made those designs he claimed to have done himself. Of course he won't answer your dms. That would mean admitting guilt and once you've dug yourself a grave this deep, you may as well cover yourself in that dirt.
Lovely video though! That door used in the prison is pretty sweet, I gotta find a way it'd fit in my own survival world ^^
Hermitcraft is the best minecraft smp. Builders making amazing structures and docm77 breaking the game. Everyone gets along and server wide events like the war in season 7 make for some very memorable events. Then you have dream smp stealing redstone builds and creating a prison to tourture your friends.
The issue with redstone is that it's an art form just like building or painting or music, but the art can be very easily hidden - in fact, it's designed to be. Redstoners are uses to seeing builds like 3x3 piston doors with all of the redstone revealed, and they'll be able to identify them based on their piston layout, wiring, and opening and closing patterns. But to a non-redstoner, a 3x3 piston door is just a single thing, and it can't be "stolen" from any particular person, because everyone makes them. They see redstone builds as scientific facts that aren’t "owned" by anyone, but are simply pieces of knowledge that can be learnt and showcased without giving credit. For instance, if you watch a tutorial on how a comparator works, you don't then need to credit the creator of the tutorial every single time you use a comparator! And if you said that you'd figured out how to use a comparator all on your own, you'd be lying, but it wouldn't hurt anyone. And sadly, this idea has been extended outwards to redstone builds much MUCH more complicated. To the point where people are copying impressive builds that will get a lot of attention, and they're taking thst credit for themselves. And since they're the ones with credit and the larger reputation, the original creator could never get noticed, or even receive backlash for "copying" the build that they originally created that got stolen from them. And that seriously *does* hurt them, and their channel. And it needs to be stopped.
"dude wants people to credit for fucking redstone im cryin" is like saying "dude wants people to credit for making a fucking car"
i haven’t watched or even thought about dsmp in ages. sam always seemed like one of the nicer members. wow just wow.
3:32 i can hear the deutsch
14:10 again
15:53 ja Craft Attack ❤
too thick accent
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Loved the video! Great to see the people who actually designed those machines get the credit they deserve
A lot of the arguments against giving credit boils down to down to “it’s not that important” which is the same garbage excuse every content thief has ever given to justify profiting from other people’s work
Bro is the GD Colon of Minecraft
I love GD Cologne
GD Colon Is A Furry
i looove gd cologne
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shoutout actually crediting the creators and progenitors of these builds! no reason to not have done that in the first place DREAM (and awesamdude)
really is so wild to lie and claim that you "adapted" something or claim it as your "brainchild" when all you did was follow a tutorial
15:46 Stegi mentioned! ^^ (And a picture of TheJoCraft xD)
Yes th best German Redstoner
9:30 I LITERALLY JOINED IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE COOL STUFF YOU CAN FIND IT, IF NOT FOR REKRAP CREDITING, I'D NEVER FIND SUCH A GREAT RESOURCE AND INSTEAD I WOULD FIND CRAPPY STOLEN FARMS ON TH-cam 😭😭
you know all those people who replied to the tweet have never watched an actually good minecraft SMP like hermitcraft before because hermitcraft shows that all it takes to credit is say "I got this one from [redstoner]" and move on, it's really not that hard
Ye
All those people in the intro Accusing you of having "no sense of intellectual property" are nuts, like do they hear themselves? The call is coming from inside the house.
0:04
redstone builds are actually quite a good example of an intellectual property you can copyright
Wait what are you doing here?
@@darkheartplays007 ...commenting??
Be careful, Dream’s gonna crash out again…
UNACCEPTABLEEEEEE 🍋🍋🍋
15:05 this is like reposting someones art and saying "credit to the artist!"
Or as some would abbreviate as "ctto" (credit to the owner)
when you are more popular than the actual creator like what are yall thinking
6:16 mfs on the first day of the job after lying on the job interview and getting hired
0:48 looks so trippy XD
Yup
Careful, you're going to make dream cry and piss himself again
17:16 this part of the video is great, awesome editing within Minecraft. Loved the topic and your explanation
What is crazy is that the Roulette table from Rexxstone is also used by Docm77 on Hermitcraft currently, and he credited him
I think a great idea to make sure people don't steal your Redstone is to put like a sign or a Redstone torch or something that does NOTHING but its like your signature so you can pinpoint if it's yours
Yes! This reminds me of the "is it real or is it cake" baker who uses brightly colored green buttercream as a signature. Verry easy to pick her stuff out when someone else reposts it or puts it in a compulation (or describe the channel for others when you forget the freaking channel name, lol 😅)
The redstoners strike back againts the other pvp builders that cant use redstone so they steal they're tech and claim its theirs
It's upsetting to hear that awesomedude didn't credit RkfWalter and claimed that he spent hours making the door because most of that prison was made in creative (shoutout to Kenadian) and also because Awesomedude can do redstone considering he mostly made every version of Hades Vault and was the lead redstoner on Gaias vault. Really has you questioning what else was stolen in those prisons.
Came into this expecting just another “dream smp bad” video, glad to see it’s actually more then just that
R.K.F. Walter taught me a lot about redstone, fantastic tutorials. I used one of his hidden stair designs on a streamer's server and I left a sign in the redstone crediting him.
The lack of common sense is killing my brain cells
twitter moment
redstone builds should be treated like a college/high school research essay source. you should always credit/give citations of the source, especially if used in a public setting.
perfect explanation. I can attest to the growth us redstoners can receive from simply giving credit, like when Rekrap credited a farm I made, the tutorial video got more views than my past 6 videos, and I got comments from people saying that they saw the farm from his video and love using it.
The fact just saying a name takes no effort and people still give no credit
18:13 now that's just diabolical.
Was this a surprise to anyone? Ofc they're all stolen. None of them are redstoners.
Can't wait for Gerg's unhinged twitter post about this video.
Nah, he plays a character, and he clearly delineates said character from his actual thoughts. AFAIK he also credits stuff
OMG Him explaining the door it IS JUST PAINFULLLLL
6:20 lost it when he said "whopping amount of area"
great video! I had no idea Sam just followed tutorials and never directly credited the og creators. I think some people forget that following a tutorial doesn't make you any less of a Redstoner.
I heard of you from the Mumbo jumbo video! Credit is definitely import
I used to watch your videos 3-4 years ago. It was a lock combination tutorial i think. I didnt even realize right now this was you until I saw I was subscribed. Great job man I was honestly rooting for you to grow because they were really nice.
When I do build a farm designed by another person on a multiplayer server (which is almost always, the most complicated farm I can build by myself is an automatic sugarcane farm), I've just developed a habit of adding a sign somewhere visible listing the name of the creator
Man it so nice that all the actual redstoner finally got their hard work being shown. Man
I’m pretty sure that Mumbo shout out was how I found your channel. Finding good redstone creators to follow is hard. You can’t just search for “good redstoner” because they post infrequently, making the algorithm disfavor them. If we want to keep seeing new creations, they need to be shouted out.
shoutout to fundy for always doing his wacky redstone on his own tbh. one of my fav streams to this day are him building that wacky launcher for his secret bunker under the flag, and even though now badly painted by iskalls actions, still a very fun stream of fundy being in a dc call with him goofing around trying to make a, i think, 2x2 piston door ehile following iskalls lead but trolling him so hard in return (fundy was fully capable of making that door on his own). if i was to call someone a designated redstone guy of the dsmp i would proudly name fundy
At this point, people should be hard punished for this kind of theft and fraud.
Twitter users are mad about crediting other people because they are too ignorant to actually do those things themselves they HAVE to follow a tutorial or else they would just be useless.
So crafty offered awsam a chance to defend himself… which was passively declined with silence.
that clip of sam trying to explain the redstone is borderline slander
This is a really well thought out and executed video. I never got into the Dream SMP and now I have more reason to not watch it
1: Those who are saying: It's just a redstone build. The same logic applies to everything. Its just a bunch of letters, literally nobody gives a fuck if someone copied it. Its just a bunch of frames, etc etc etc.
2: It doesn't have to be like this? Hermitcraft, a server which was pretty much THE SMP server does it perfectly. Mumbo does make builds himself, and when he doesn't he mentions it IN THE VIDEO itself(even if he sometimes forgets to put the links in the description). Every member does. Same with builds, every member mentions if they even took inspiration from someone's builds. It costs NOTHING, in fact it benefits you, cause you now have sent a lot of people over to one channel, and even if a few people from that channel make their way over to you you still benefitted
3: There is a difference between 10:16 and what is stealing. Using tutorials is fine. That is what they are made for. When you use that tutorial though, and PROFIT off of someone else's work, when crediting costs NOTHING, then it is stealing.
Use someone else's work however you want. However, if it is giving you value, give value back.
People who think wanting credit for a redstone design is silly are probably the same people watching xqc "react" to other people's videos while not being present for half of it.
Perfect timing to exposes the dream smp