I fellowshipped in Hillsong London for two years and I do concur that what is shared is mostly for new believers and in the long run it is not sustainable for growth. What will build you up is the gospel(grace) like Acts 20:32 says . It is the same with most Mega churches focusing on the pop culture and unfortunately missing the mark. Yeshua said go, make disciples not converts; because a disciple is a disciplined follower of Christ hence the emphasis on the discipline. I definitely get you my dear sister however, going to a church which will remind you of your sin, using your words is not ideal either. You have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light and so you have now become a saint, a new creature old things have passed away. Moreover read what Hebrews 10:2 says ......the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.. Romans 2:4 says God’s goodness which leads men to repentance...not your sins, short comings, experiences or mythological ideas. ..John 17:3 Eternal life is knowing the father and the son ...Remain blessed!
Oh my goodness. I relate! I was “saved” at Hillsong Sydney in 2000. I had been spiritual all my life exploring things including reading tarot cards for a living. Once I became a Christian I stopped all that. I was sucked into home groups, women’s mornings, prayer groups. At the time I was a single mum to a baby boy. These are some of the things that happened to me and why I left and know there is not sound mature biblical teaching and a lot of it is like motivational seminars. Even their songs? Often wording used twists scripture but you need to know your Bible to pick up on that. So, here we go. 1. I joined a new Christians Bible study group and got concerned with the way a teacher was explaining the context of certain scriptures. I’d go away and study the text, use a concordance to check I was right. I was in a small group and at times this wrong teaching made others feel belittled or patronised. So I started to ask questions and politely challenge him. I got a phone call from a senior female pastor literally saying this “we don’t like people who rock the boat here, challenging leadership is not on and I suggest you keep your views to yourself or we may ask you to leave” Yup. I was a baby Christian and was both upset and shocked. I stopped going to the Bible teaching group. 2. I hosted a weekly night group in my home run by two married very young 20 year olds. The group had about 12 of us in it. Again I was seeing that it wasn’t always biblical and when people had questions they’d guide you back to the “weekly teaching” given to these group leaders. At this time I was experiencing genuine demonic attack. Actually seeing dark spirits. I researched the Bible and good books and learnt because I’d dabbled in tarot cards, other new age stuff that I opened a spiritual doorway. The devil didn’t like I’d jumped camps. I’d ask for help. I’d show scriptures of Jesus casting out demons and telling followers not only to do the same but we have the power to. Bringing up deliverance prayer or ministry was met with this from everyone “you were fully healed at the cross so no demon can come against you” Pardon? The Bible teaches us constantly we will be attacked, that the devil and his minions are real. The book of Revelation outlines how much of the darkness will hit our world. I was really suffering. Then someone who did it in secret as so scared to be found out told me of a pastor of a ministry who did deliverance ministry and prayer and specifically did it for Hillsong members who couldn’t get this help in their churches. These people were scared to say they’d gone to him. He was the most Godly man is ever met. Sadly he passed a few years after helping me but he healed many people. 3. One day I arrived to a Sydney service late as my baby had been a nightmare to get to church with. As I walked in Lead Pastor Brian Houston stopped speaking, pointed at me and said “if you can’t show God respect to be here on time then leave”. I’m not kidding. So an Usher asked me to go. Everyone was looking at me. I sobbed in my car, I was a brand new Christian. I had many other awful moments and got the message if I visited other churches now and then it was not accepted. I began to feel it was cult like. I eventually went to another church called Dayspring in Sydney in distress where on the weekday two lovely women spent 3 hours praying with me and comforting me. I attended a few services and was very impressed at how it felt God was first, not man, not flashy technology or posh buildings. The teachings were so different and I blossomed as a Christian. One day I’ll never forget the Pastor starting to preach then stopping and saying “God wants to do something different today” he threw away his notes and as worship played led the whole church into hours of meaningful repentance, healing prayer and fellowship. You could feel the Holy Spirit. I was water baptised there and it was wonderful. Great genuine people and humble leadership. Sadly over many years after I moved north I had awful experiences in other Pentecostal churches too. I learnt I had the gifts of discernment and prophecy so often God would show me things in the spirit others didn’t believe. One church told me the leadership was fiddling the tithes and God told me to stop giving! Of course I thought this can’t be God. However, a year later it was revealed they had been using church giving to buy expensive land and houses! They were stepped down by the Assemblies of God (an umbrella Pentecostal group of churches that also has bad issues) and moved to be under pastors and allowed to repent. I also underwent true spiritual abuse, lies spread about me and learnt if I ever asked questions I was labelled a Jezebel. I’m now living back in England where I was born. I lived in Australia from age 10 for 30 years. I’ve struggled to feel safe in any church and with serious illness, an abusive 14 year marriage to a so called Christian man I’m not in a church but I’ve held on to my faith. After Covid hopefully settled here I am going to try many different churches trusting God to guide me. I saw things from leadership that was so wrong after volunteering in so many areas of church. In one large church trying to mimic Hillsong I was praying and just said in my heart “God, where is Jesus” and immediately heard “He is outside waiting for when leadership invite him in”. I was really touched and sensed Gods grief. This church raised £2 million pounds then spent it on air-conditioning, a cafe and a giant McDonalds type playground. At the same time they closed the single mothers ministry, the bus that brought the homeless to church and other community outreaches. I was literally told “it’s best you find another church” for minor questions that a true church would have no issues answering. I’m an author and plan to write a book on the wrong and dangerous teachings and leadership in some churches, predicted in the Bible, how these men and women serve their own agenda, not Gods agenda. How you have to pay a lot to attend a flashy women’s conference instead of it being free to those who need God. I also got married twice to men who appeared to be strong Christians, I’d wanted to have a Godly marriage and serve in ministry so much. With both, almost immediately after marriage the Bible didn’t exist, no prayer, no worship at home and I was pulled away from Christian friends and church. Then the abuse escalated. It’s in the Bible about wolves in sheep’s clothing and also men who prey on vulnerable women. A lot of churches tell women who dare to say they are being abused to forgive, to try harder to be a Godly wife, to pray more....it’s dangerous and I lost years and years of my life, health and opportunities to be truly happy. I forgave a zillion times but it makes no difference. I want to write a book for women sharing how to really look for a man truly grounded in Jesus and who puts God first, how to avoid deceit Tce churches and where in the Bible God speaks of hating abuse and those who inflict it. I’d also like to write a devotional for these women also. I see all the signs of end times and soooo many Christians being fooled and led astray which was foretold. My prayer is I can in time find a healthy, outward focused church where I can be the hands and feet of Jesus. So I totally get your journey and sadly it’s in other mega churches too. God will sort the chaff from the wheat. There is an excellent lot of books out there about spiritual and church abuse and one called Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing but I can’t recall the author. God bless you for your channel and God bless anyone struggling. Don’t give up, pray that God shows you a biblical healthy church where Ge is invited in. Jeremiah 29:11 🌺
Dr Patrick Doyle a Christian psychologist on youtube really helped bring clarity in my situation. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I feel some just parade as Christians but don't actually want God.
Didn't read all but Brian Houston stopped and pointed at you or if any others late. I've never seen that ever in my youth for decade+ every week... Or maybe Brian had a really really really bad day. But I don't go to Hillsong or church anymore anywayz... it becomes boring though Hillsong- i can watch a marvel movie and find more about God and Christianity
Wow, I am so sorry you have gone through so much church hurt and abuse. I’m astonished and really admire how you’ve remained faithful to the Lord, I know so many people who have been hurt by the church that end up resenting God (even though we know the Lord is not at fault it’s just that we humans are so corrupt) and they separate from the Lord. Thats a beautiful testimony still even though so much pain is involved and just keep pushing and remembering God is by your side and He will not leave you even in the darkest and loneliest moments. The devil will try and come and whisper lies into your life and mind but remember Jesus loves you and He will never forsake you. I really really admire your strength, it reminds me about how Joseph remained faithful even though he suffered bad experiences one after the other but in the end God gave him the victory over his enemies and God still got the glory! Keep pushing sister, may God bless you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I have a very similar experience to yours. I was saved through a non-biblical local church. You are saved not because of Hillsong church, but because God has already chosen you. God can use everything and everyone as an instrument to save us, to make us grow.
Jenncy, I'm so impressed with your maturity in your faith and the wisdom you described in the video. Thank you for doing such a good job in this video. Best!
I've been a member of a church like this. I found myself worshipping the Pastor's and not my Jesus! Thankful He moved me out of there and is restoring me❤
I respect the fact that you decided to break away from the crowd and chose to read/study the Bible on your own, free from the opinions/commentaries of others. I did that myself and I found the Churches to be hypocritical and deaf to the sins they commit after Church service and throughout the week, Mon-Sat.
Very insightful video. I think every mega church struggles with the same thing...it starts with the focus on glorifying God and Jesus and then over time, it loses that focus, especially as it grows bigger and bigger. It's an easy thing to do. My best church experience has always been in a small group, worshipping God together in fellowship.
So far Brooklyn Tabernacle seems to have dodge that bullet. I pray they continue but whether or not NOTHING I learn about any pastor or church is going to rock my faith in God and his son Jesus Christ. That is because I have my OWN TESTIMONY of God's saving power in my own life and I daily seek to know him more and more through his HOLY SPIRIT who is my CHIEF TEACHER and COMFORTER.
I totally get you, I felt this at The Dream Center in LA years ago, the worship was so pizzazzy, I know maybe they were trying to reach the inner city youth, but it was so distracting and everyone had to “look good” and it felt very much like a high school vibe and who is “in and popular and cool“, so I am so glad I am not there anymore because really all of that is fluff. What we need is to be excited about the word of God and preaching the truth mightily and strong! Yes I don’t like a church that is about entertaining either, I’m so happy God has captured your heart and is having you grow deeply in Him, that’s beautiful. Also, so many Pastors from Hillsong are resigning or got fired and Brian Houston just stepped down, so looks like God is wanting to Clean this house up, praise God!
I know exactly what you are talking about. Sometimes it felt more like a highschool than a church. I am glad you found your way out too! Thanks for watching my video.
@@shannonellen8643 I understand, I was once at VO too 🙄, there were some good parts and some not so good parts, a bit too holy rolley without some grounding at times
Every time I post anything Hillsong related I get a lot of questions and negativity. Please be respectful and watch the video in full to fully understand my decision. I will be forever grateful about my time at Hillsong and don't want any blind hatred towards the Church. Please drop questions about the Church down below and I will answer as many as I can in future videos :)
Great video, Jenncysworld! Essentially, you noticed that Hillsong emphasizing themselves above God and His word. It can happen very slowly and can transform church into a performance where people come primarily to see the people and not hear or see what God says in His word. And I agree with what you say, God will use everything for His glory even things that are incorrect in the church, but we should also use discernment to call out what is incorrect in love. Question: How were the responses of your church community when you would bring up your concerns things about the church that were unbiblical? Did they just ignore you? Did they feel like you were unbiblical? Were they use to it because of how a lot of others question Hillsong?
Do not care about the negative talk. You would never be able to take that decision if you haven't experienced it yourself. Everyone have their own experience with same things. Some will like, some will not. People need to respect that. God bless you my sister in Christ. Much love!🙏❤
Firstly, I'd like to say I'm sorry that you hear a lot of negativity whenever you mention hillsong. I'd also like to say, it isn't for everyone. Many people bring friends there and then bring them to their home church after their friends have become Christians. Unfortunately, it's not just people from hillsong who doesn't read the whole bible. Many Christians actually don't. Especially the ones who grew up in church. And I was one of them. Mainly because whenever I opened the bible, I felt like I already know the story and I've heard it multiple times. I'd also like to point out that the people on stage, the band and pastors etc. Their neighbours wouldn't have known what they've done or where they've just been. That is, in Australia anyway. They are not as big in Australia as people think they are in Australia. A lot of people in the Australian church - the locals have no concept of how big they are overseas. But having said that a large part of the church and their volunteers are college students from overseas. And unfortunately, for those, there are many who are more fans than people who are just attending a local church. But you are right that it is easy to get sucked into a lot of things going on because it is very heavily events oriented. There's tons of events happening throughout the year. And there are positive and negative side towards it. The script that you mentioned in the connect group are supposed to be bible studies from Brian's preaching. And the thing as well is that, bible reading is encouraged depending on your leaders. I have heard many leaders say not to just follow what they say blindly and to read it in the bible and check it out for yourself. But I do understand that unfortunately, there are leaders who doesn't expressly say so. Having said all that. It is so good to hear that you are continuing to grow in your faith. And continuing to read the bible and exploring what God says. It is always good to listen to preachers and read books from different Christian denomination. Because there are pastors who are really good at expounding and doing an exegesis of the scriptures. Coming from a conservative church growing up, I see the importance of that. But I also see the importance of knowing how to apply what you've learned from the bible practically and not just knowing all the exegesis in your head. 😊 also, really great that you found a home church.
Maybe you need to put something like this in the video description because it puts Hillsong in a very negative light. I am in Australia and our church is wonderful BUT, I do not worship the church, it's Pastors or staff, I worship God through his son Jesus Christ.
At some point as a church body member you have to stop walking the deck on the cruise ship and learn to really get to know others deeply aka get in a small family group that has accountability...and that’s always the glitch with mega churches !
I understand you perfectly, and I agree 100% with everything you said. Very well expressed! God protect you and continues helping you to grow on His knowledge.
I did not attend Hillsong, but a similar type of church. I really believe that God brought me out of it. I love that you said, “we don’t need more entertainment”. Yes, I want to hear more about this topic! Be blessed xo
Great sensibility. I understand I used to go to a "Mega Church" and was wowed by their resources, talent and "flash" over time you see the lack of talk about SIN and HELL not that it is the focus of our faith but it can't be ignored. Turns out years later their charismatic AMAZING pastor was having an affair with his secretary and had to resign in shame. JESUS is the only STAR in CHURCH! Amen. Great upload.
Do a bit of research and you’ll discover exactly why they don’t mention sin and hell. Yes, go on Bit-chute and you’ll soon find out who they actually worship and what their agenda really is, it certainly isn’t worshiping Jesus Christ and leading a life of virtue and morality.
@@marniet594 oh yes of course. If you read the Bible you hear all about sin, repentance, sacrifice and judgement and things don't add up from some churches it's time to move on.
@@Mediamessengers thing is this ‘churchianity’ is deliberately being spread all over the world and people need to investigate why because if they don’t then false teaching will flourish and fester. There is a sinister agenda. It’s all on bit chute. Yt banned the truth tellers. Alexandra, in her YT channel ‘probably Alexandra’ (she’s still up because she’s careful in her wording) explains this well. McChurches should be shut down.
I visited Hillsong South Africa 11 years ago and it felt like a concert with about 15 minutes of the pastor plugging his book and their music album. The volunteer leader on the welcome team ditched my group to talk with his friends and we felt like we were in a high school 😂 Thankfully we met some German missionaries at the church stationed there at an orphanage and ended up traveling all around South Africa with them, so either way God introduced my group and I to some amazing Christians!
I've had similar experiences with other churchs. I'm happy I currently attend a solid church that presents the Gospel clearly and intentionally. Thank you for sharing your story!
This was a wonderful explanation. I appreciate your honesty. To me, church should be about meeting JESUS, hearing the gospel, examining our hearts, and sharing our faith with one another. May God continue to lead you closer to His heart!
I can totally relate to that. I left a startup from a large “institution” of german language similar to Hillsong and joined a small local church for exact the same reasons!
God bless you my sister in the Lord! I agree with you 100% because Jesus died for us and saved us to live a righteous and holy life. We need to learn about Jesus more and more and get closer to him more than ever. Jesus is coming soon . We don't just need to atract people, but rather to show them what it means to be saved. May God awaken everyone in hillsong including the leaders. I've been to hillsong London long time ago and truly, the music and the atmosphere was intoxicating. I didn't go back after that time. It's not my type of church anyway. Pray for the people there so that God open their eyes and focus on JESUS alone. 💚💛❤ from Ethiopia, Africa
You saying that you want to be reminded of your sin at church and hear the gospel of Christ presented is really mature to say. Your delightful, God bless!
Personally, I see hillsong as a church that is wonderful for newer believers. However I have found more depth and truth in the teachings of other churches.
hillsong is not a real church i left there is new age in it, there is not the fear of the lord and it's all about money and they are wordly and they are like a cult promoting their new music albums, it's not about praising it's about making money and they only play their music during adoration time
There's room for great entertainment that's not sleazy or full of swearing etc, but the real time of worship and being still in God's presence, as well as feeling part of a family needs to be given equal time. If it's just entertainment it's like trying to survive only eating Doritos and Coke = not satisfying.
Since you mentioned you’re listening to different pastors, I suggest Andrew Farley based in Texas. He pastor’s Church Without Religion there, has a YT channel and call in radio for questions. He focuses on the gospel and our identity in Jesus as believers based on his Word. I’ve been a believer since I was 12 and didn’t truly understand my identity in Jesus until recently. It’s so, so important to know who we are in him as born again, new creations.
Sounds good. The thoughts that you've shared resonate with me. I'm in Australia, and having Joyce Meyer broadcast on TV has been a huge benefit to me with my relationship with Jesus. Knowing who we are in Him is crucial. I found her on tv before we all had smartphones, and she's been a God-send.
@@caroliner2029 Hi! You mentioned having been blessed by Joyce Meyer. The following is not intended to be taken as a personal attack but rather a scriptural examination of not only Ms. Meyer's views but, sadly, others who have made the true church a laughing stock through lack of taking God's word at face value & placing wealth before Godliness. I must admit that I find it hard to accept her having a net worth of $25M (not including her jet worth, at least $10M, & other non-liquid assets...). She espouses the "name it & claim it philosophy", saying God doesn't want us, as His children to be sick, or poor, yet in the scriptures, only two people in the bible, Enoch & Elijah, were "translated" (reaching heaven without dying). Paul also asked to be healed three times & was denied each time (2 Corinthians 12 verses 7-9). Maybe she also forgets that the Saviour never owned a home (Luke 9 v 58) & only owned one cloak at His crucifixion. She also ignores the scripture found in 1 Timothy 2 verse 12, forbidding women from teaching men. I could go on but will not. These are only examples of where Joyce's views clash with scripture. Justin Peters covers Joyce & other preachers with the same philosophy in a superb sermon called "Clouds Without Water" (found on TH-cam). Again, Christian love, from my corner of the world to yours.
That’s really great to hear how you’ve consecrated yourself to understand that the main purpose of church gathering is to glorify God. It was one thing I’ve struggled with as a young believer but I was willing to let God strip that away from me and I completely made my worship about God
I know nothing about Hillsong, but I totally agree that there is too much entertainment. I want to have more biblical reading and teaching and to learn how to grow closer to God. My spirit craves and desires this. God bless you in your journey with Jesus! 💕🙏
This subject is true in many good large churches. You can get too wrapped in their “program” and just limit your personal walk with God. The Bible is so rich. I enjoy thru the Bible style of preaching and teaching with a challenge to think. Great subject. I also very much enjoy the HS music I have downloaded for myself.
My German friend took me to a Hillsong church in London a few years ago, she helped out with the band. The production and the vibe was about as far away from what I would normally associate with a church, it was all very impressive! When the collection could be made via an app I just had the feeling that money was the overriding factor in it all..
Hillsong and megachurches are very interesting. It's hard to imagine having a genuine connection with God in a space that is that crowded and filled with entertainment
i like your video. New Christians should learn at their own pace and absolutely question everything! Christianity is the only religion i know where you choose to personally enter a relationship with God. Its important that you develop prayer and scripture disciplines that suit your individual nature. I have attended the main campus a few times. I stopped going after they asked the congregation to stand and applause the pastor coming onto the stage to give a sermon.
When they asked us to stand and clap, I never even questioned it at that time. But now having went to several other churches than Hillsong, I realized they were the only ones doing that.
As someone who didn't grow up in the church and only found the Christian faith later in life, you seem so much more spiritually mature than many people I know in church. I'm glad that even though you were very attached to Hillsong, you still kept your faith and grew more. I really hope there's more like you. Thank you for sharing your journey.
Thanks Jennifer for your honesty. You are right to question and seek truth and wisdom from the Bible. Wisdom comes from God only and Christ is the narrow gate.
Thank you for sharing and what you had to say was very interesting. Because I used to be part of hillsong city campus. You are right about the church is to entertain you. I felt it was one great show. I used to go several times on weekends and volunteered a great deal there. With the members there, they were polite and friendly, but the more I got into hillsong I would see that there are people can hurt you such as as the leaders there. In the end I felt hillsong like some rock concert. The VIPs would get the best seats in the house. You will never get a chance to speak to the main pastors there. I felt it was more of a rock concert at hillsong conference. I volunteered there several times and at times really put off with how some things were run such as not allowing non paying members to the conference and wanted to go in and see it. Or if they don't have a ticket with them. People had to pay lots of money to go to this conference. This conference cost a great deal of money and that money would be better spent on other projects.
That's a very good decisions.i'm a filipina and I'm here in our country Philippines,I've watched Hillsong church then,but after all the scandals I stop watching the service and unsubscribe to it.i hope and I pray that God will open their eyes to the truth.God bless you more.
Ich möchte mich erstmal, vielmals bedanken für dein Zeugnis, und für deine Analyse über Hillsong. Ich selber komme auch aus Deutschland und kenne Hillsong, bin seit 20 Jahren bekehrt zu Jesus Christus. Ich verfolge Hillsong sehr viele Jahre und bei uns in der Gemeinde spielt man auch Hillsong Lieder. So wie ich das beurteilen kann, geht es um Massen nicht ums Herz. Gott will unser Herz und nicht zahlen. Es ist traurig, daß das Evangelium nur halb gepredigt wird. Es ist der Heilige Geist, der von Sünde, Gerechtigkeit und Gericht überführt. Man kann nicht Menschen zu einer echten Bekehrung zu Jesus führen, indem Mann die Weld in die Gemeinde herein holt. Für mich sieht das mehr wie eine Discothek aus, mit den Lichter shows und dem Rumgehopse. Es wird nichts gesagt von Reue, Busse, Umkehr usw. gesagt.. Dir noch eine schöne Zeit. Gruß Bernhard
Can you give examples of what was happening when "they were not biblical? Interested as I am just starting to attend Hillsong in Australia and sense it is a motivational church for prosperity. which is like a Tony Robbins seminar and networking.I'm more interested in spiritual and learning about a relationship with God. Hillsong seems like a big youth camp and not many older people attending except for. Brian Houston and BobbieHouston.. BUT where. are their PEERS as in their Age group? What about people dying and sick, do they visit hospitals and the dying..?
Hillsong Church is pretty light, and often entertaining and doctrinally unsound. Would recommend going to a church that is doctrinally sound, and helps the flock look within and ask the hard questions about sin, surrender, and redemption, and ultimately how to deepen your walk with Christ every day. However, many of Hillsong’s worship songs are lovely and can be used to supplement the depth of the walk you may be on
Agree the churches use entertainment to get the young people. The pastors think the are comedians. Churches are not for entertainment or making people laugh. Some people worship their pastors. You go there for worshiping God not pastors.
I was leaving my church to attend a hills church in Liverpool and before I went I prayed about it and Jesus showed me that they was false teachings on a few things mainly tithing, they set up a bank account for you to pay to attend, they teach you pay Jesus through the church and Jesus will bless you and Jesus stopped me in my tracks by revealing that to me and I’m still at my little church thank God
Well said sister in Christ. You're getting it. Continue your journey in the Word...(Bible). Stay focused on the Lord. Some churches around the world can become to celebrity like. And that is not biblical at all. It's a distraction. God bless you there in South Korea. I just got back from Wednesday night Bible study at my church where I attend. We just started a great study in Hebrews. Blessing in Christ. 🕊🙏📖
Reflecting to your question what people get to wear. Having been in Australia also, To my opinion Lenz gets to wear as much or as little as he wants. If the man goes to the beach same story. How did you live if Hillsong was not paying you? I have visited Hillsong Perth. The music was loud, my car keys were ratteling in my trousers 120 dB. The preaching was very short, very skinny, thin,
Because of this type of stuff I have resorted to going to church online and finding a small group of Christian individuals I fellowship with. I am too wounded to step inside a church building currently
@jennysworld I am so excited about your journey with God and may His Holy Spirit keep you till the Day of the Lord comes. After many years of being in ministry I would like to say this; different ministries have different approaches to ministry largely because of their mandate and calling from God.I say this because of being in many different churches across the spectrum. Hillsong is what they call a seeker sensitive church; everything they do is designed to pull people into the kingdom at all cost and get them to stay long enough so they start growing......the truth is if they started calling you out on your sins from the beginning; you probably wouldn't have gone to church......as per your video.......their mission is being accomplished. After the initial steps to growth which is called the 'outer courts' the believer starts to yearn for deeper intimacy with God which sounds like its where you are right now; you go into the 'inner courts' some are able to stay at Hiillsong or 'Seeker sensitive ' churches and still enter the 'inner courts' others need to go elsewhere in order to grow 'alot go to churches which are more directin doctrine and not necessarily big in size, all however will end up in the ' most Holy place' which is in an intimate relationship with Holy Spirit himself. Our discipleship journeys vary , it always saddens me to see how we bash each other on when we are on our road and discover new things and levels in God. My sincere prayer is that we ' The Body' of Christ begin to see how God uses the different parts of the Body which are various ministers and ministries , churches, styles etc to bring about His objective which is The body of Christ.
Wow spot on!! If u use carnal means to attract them u have to use carnal means to keep them..that hillsong, they dnt preach the gospel at all..we thank God for opening ur eyes!! You should check out the movie American Gospel 1&2
Heey! Just found your video! No disrespect at all, but just saying that Hillsong doesn't push any of their things on you, if you don't want to be involved, you don't have to. I have been a part of Hillsong for almost 4 years now and I absolutely love it! I don't attend connect groups or many other events, but I am a part of a team for one service, because I love doing it. And I have people on team who only show up once in a while, because they are busy with their lives. And I think every person finds a church that suits them and their lifestyle. Hillsong is mostly for new christians, to help them find community, encouragement, friends, support etc. But it is your decision to make friends outside of church, plan your time and go do other things. And when people (from church) do things wrong, just remember that they are just people and church is a place for all - not just the perfect ones. Even the leaders can fail, didn't David fail? I think people put so much pressure on churches, when its our own responsibility to choose our community, what we do with our time etc. Church is just a gathering of people of all kinds and stories and people will always fail, nobody is perfect. Werent the pharisees the "annoying ones" in the New Testament of how ignorant they were? I really dont think there is a perfect church, because its full with people. But I do think its beautiful when one finds a church they can call home and then they stick with it, through the highs and lows, because again - church is just a gathering. All the love, Linda
I can find myself in your story, only I came from a shallow minded baptist background and came to discover Hillsong Berlin. I nearly served there for 2 years anf they all tried to manipulate you under God's Kingdom and community. It was a hard learning lesson when I noticed they just drop you like a brick once you leave their church. Now I'm a spiritual Christian and at peace, I don't need a big community to find my own validation. God and Jesus are enough.
Hi thanks for the video Can you explain what the concern are? I left hillsong as well and detached myself read the bible. I would be interested in your concerns 😁 many thanks God bless you 💝
Hi Jenny, I’m just watching your video and I suggest you watch videos of Doreen Virtue and Fighting for the Faith on TH-cam. They helped me so much in my understanding of how we can get trapped in these mega churches with most often false gospels. I personally been involved with Elevation Church and even though the people were being the nicest to me, something felt so odd. Like you said: “it shouldn’t be based on entertainment.” There’s so much more theological and biblical knowledge to understand. And know: you’re not alone!!
after a year of it i kinda realised, where is this substance? Every week it's the same old thing, like a circle jerk about how good it is to join a life with christ, day in day out. i felt like they didnt need to convince me of it anymore, im already here - now get to the important shit
Hillsong mainly focuses on non/new believers and numbers. They don't do actual in-depth bible teaching, therefore if you grow in your faith, you naturally grow out of Churches like Hillsong.
God has given you the gift of 'discernment of spirits' which is described in Scripture. One should not judge a church per se' ( the book of Revelation) because God and Christ will do that. Nevertheless, there is a standard of worship set by the Father, God and true worship is of the Spirit and Truth. If one is truly sincere about following Christ. Paul tells the congregation(s) : "Do what they say but do not do what they do." Some preach the Word out of selfish ambition but Scripture states, nevertheless, Christ is preached. I agree a smaller congregation seems to be more intimate in fellowship and have much in common. The Spirit will guide. The Book of John (3;5) states that without water an Spirit, no one shall see God. One must be Baptized into Christ to receive the Holy Spirit. This comes by total surrender of one's life and Trust to God ,The book of Acts describe baptisms and "hence at a later time received the Holy Spirit. May God continue to reveal His Will to you.
I agree with you., Hillsong is very secular., i have been to Hillsong in Netherlands and Denmark and they are more like focus on their singing and being fun at church and not really on preaching the word of God., i notice the members are not really commited to a christian life., everytime i went to church i dont see any member really carrying a bible ., they organize simple gathering to know each other and when i went one of it i see members drinking alcohol and im thinking its supposed to be talking about faith being christian .
Music and art and even fashion that you are in are gifts of God. So we should use our gifts to honor God more than using it to sing and honor humans. I appreciate very much the many god given songs and music that God has given us through Hilsong and other Christian artists. These people could use their gifts to sing and promoting fornication, impurities, drugs and much ungodly things. But they serve God as God had called them too. Bear in mind that non of us are perfect. And Hilsong church and Christian artists are all human beings. Instead of criticizing on social media we should pray for each other. People who listen to Christian artists and go to big or small churches each has tge choice to keep the focus on God instead of worshipping the messengers. We cannot put the blame on the messengers when we had made the mistake to be one of those that had put man or intertainment over God. I had never in my life felt that a singer or a song writer or a preacher is more important than God. I think we should be thankful for God for good leadership and gifted people that God has gifted to lead worship... EXACT TO LEAD WORSHIP and THE ONE WE WORSHIP IS GOD! Good worship songs that point us to God are something God has given us to bless us to help us do justt what He wants us to...That is to worship God. The fact that humans beings have the tendency to idolize things and other humans above God is because this is one of our core disease as fallen men. I really feel that it is wrong that you keep making videos criticizing Hilsong Church or any individual of our brothers and sisters famous or not famous who still find it fruitful to go to big churches. I feel you might have just well keep going to big church and put your focus on God. You see the songs being sung in these churches are completely about God. I had not heard one Hilsong song that has put man over God. So you should let the words of the songs lead your focus on God instead of put your focus on the messengers/pastors/singers. You should focus on the scriptures being read and shared instead of solely relying on other people of the church to tell you about God. You can seek God in your own time whether you are attendingbig or small church. I cannot see why it was Hilsong fault that you did not seek God on your own. I cannot understand why it is the fault of the musicians and worship leaders fault that you chose to idolize them instead of letting the gift God had given them to bring your focus on God? And why is it worshipping God with good music is less good for you than bad singers. It is sad that GOOD GODLY MUSIC HAS BECOME TO YIU ONLY INTERTAINMENT. There are just too many so called Christian TH-camrs that wasting hours and hiurs and hours of their life and time to make videos criticizing other Christians. Unless we see one of our brothers and sisters sinning consciously we have no business of pointing our fingers on them just as hobbies for our "spare time". I feel like these so called leaders, men and women of God that you are criticizing must not have had it very easy carrying the responsibilities as leaders for so many people. I think we should pray for them instead of making videos time and time again criticizing how they are not perfect. Sometimes it is us ourselves that chose to put someone on the pedestal and instead of repenting from that we put the blame on other people. I don't know what your motive is for keeping making these kind of videos. But you should pray about if you should continue to keep doing this. I feel that you truly love the Lord and I hope you will seek the Lord about what to put on your videos. The Lord bless you
Hillsong has a real problem especially with it's leaders of rudeness and elitism. If you are just a volunteer or even a congregation member the leaders rarely will speak to you and will even be quite rude. We had a lead sound guy come to our small church where the volunteers there are new and he was rude to them constantly however sucked up to the Pastors/leaders of our church this was a direct culture I could see was set from the Pastor of this specific Hillsong church.
Hillsong is no different than a new age modern cult. The belief is mixture of cult and mystics with a heavily manipulated biblical doctrine. May God rescue all the souls trapped by this false movement. Only God can open the eyes of the blind.
Just read the bible. The Holy Spirit is the greatest teacher. Start reading the word of God, pray Eph 1:16-23. The Father and Yeshua will guide you. Too many preachers are about money and fame, most of the time preaching their own gospel. The Lord asked us to be careful. Blessing
My sister, please browse this name "Gbile Akanni." He has the kind of gospel that will open you up to the true righteousness and holiness of God that exposes sin. Please do ma.
I have been to this place more than a few times in London. Some people say its a cult others say its a place where you can be saved. They say everything will be fine once you find God. You'll have a good job and the women of your dreams, you'll get this and you'll have that blah blah blah put money in the pot to became closer and its all a bit of a fantasy. There is some corruption that goes on within this church as well. Its a nice place to go to tho.
A very strange scottish man lead me to christianity. He was quite odd and did strange things. He would tell us these stories how God would tell him to do certain things and it would be the right thing to do to bring someone to christ. Years later I was thinking how odd he was and asked myself out loud why he did such strange things and how could that even be good at bringing people to God. The moment the words left my mouth, I heard a voice in my head saying, what he did worked, you yourself are testamony. For all the sins of Carl and for all his strange ways, you yourself came to know about Jesus through that crooked sticks work which you address.
The true Gospel is about Repentance and Holiness. This has been so lost in the modern church. The MESSIAH is coming, it's time Christians prepare well to be ready.
it can't be a blessing and a curse at the same thing. A thing is either of jesus christ or of the enemy and they do not bring people out if sin they avoir talking about sin, repetance and hell. They are not of jesus christ
Your focus should only be on God. Not on church or a pastor or it's culture. While they help you to come to know the Christ, only Jesus can save and heal you. There is no obligation for anyone to be attached to a church. Once you are born again, you can seek God through Holy Spirit and bring others to God. It's a spiritual journey with God and not necessary with a Church establishment. Church is only there for you to help. And if a church is becoming over demanding or a cult like, its a big red sign.
That’s the dangerous part… “the good” that you’re referring to is the very reason why hillsong church although they mention Gods name they really aren’t truly praising God… 9000 things distract you from truly worshiping… it’s all about cool music, good looking people and have a cool name tag
I just have a question: You said your move was a forced one, in that case did "God" say you should leave Hillsong church or it was your feelings? With the terms you were serving, I for one would not say it was wrong but following on the building of where you belong. I see your move as an oppotunity for expansion of the church that you failed to realize. I think you were not ready to lead just like Paul was saying some of us are still looking to be fed while we are supposed to be feeding others. Just reconsider my beautiful sister, the Lord shall be your strength
you discovered things u thought werent right? but you JOINED THEM. listen people, when you JOIN THEM you are AGREEING to their views. then begins the brainscrub because THEY ALWAYS KNOW WHATS BEST RIGHT?
I "joined" them as a non-christian knowing nothing about the gospel and church. As I kept growing in my faith, I noticed more and more things that are "off" about Hillsong, so I left. That I would say, is a very natural process for new believers
Dear Jenny you experienced a lack of depth in HS. HS is inflated ego self worship; devoid of humility or humble life style. Jenny you need to study Christian church history to understand how the Gospel of Christ was applied to church organization, leadership, core faith beliefs , practices, and faith tradition. Look up Fr Josiah Trenham on TH-cam ; he is a priest of the Eastern Orthodox Church that upholds The Gospel of Christ, preaches salvation of Christ, worships in the ancient Christian traditional way. Jesus Christ came to us from the East, not NY or Sydney. We can’t repackage Jesus Christ into a western hipster celebrity. Jesus said:, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
I’m not an expert but it sounds like hill song is more like a para church vs church body. It also sounds like a cruise ship pretty comfy. And.....Carl Lentz was a douche bag !
Doesn't matter that you left Hillsong. Just don't leave Jesus (It's all about him)
Amen and Amen 🙏
‘I want to be reminded of my sin, I don’t care how entertaining the pastor is’
My thoughts exactly. Thank you for this!
Yes I agree
I fellowshipped in Hillsong London for two years and I do concur that what is shared is mostly for new believers and in the long run it is not sustainable for growth. What will build you up is the gospel(grace) like Acts 20:32 says .
It is the same with most Mega churches focusing on the pop culture and unfortunately missing the mark. Yeshua said go, make disciples not converts; because a disciple is a disciplined follower of Christ hence the emphasis on the discipline.
I definitely get you my dear sister however, going to a church which will remind you of your sin, using your words is not ideal either. You have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light and so you have now become a saint, a new creature old things have passed away. Moreover read what Hebrews 10:2 says ......the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.. Romans 2:4 says God’s goodness which leads men to repentance...not your sins, short comings, experiences or mythological ideas. ..John 17:3 Eternal life is knowing the father and the son ...Remain blessed!
Oh my goodness. I relate! I was “saved” at Hillsong Sydney in 2000. I had been spiritual all my life exploring things including reading tarot cards for a living. Once I became a Christian I stopped all that. I was sucked into home groups, women’s mornings, prayer groups.
At the time I was a single mum to a baby boy. These are some of the things that happened to me and why I left and know there is not sound mature biblical teaching and a lot of it is like motivational seminars. Even their songs? Often wording used twists scripture but you need to know your Bible to pick up on that. So, here we go.
1. I joined a new Christians Bible study group and got concerned with the way a teacher was explaining the context of certain scriptures. I’d go away and study the text, use a concordance to check I was right. I was in a small group and at times this wrong teaching made others feel belittled or patronised. So I started to ask questions and politely challenge him. I got a phone call from a senior female pastor literally saying this “we don’t like people who rock the boat here, challenging leadership is not on and I suggest you keep your views to yourself or we may ask you to leave”
Yup.
I was a baby Christian and was both upset and shocked. I stopped going to the Bible teaching group.
2. I hosted a weekly night group in my home run by two married very young 20 year olds. The group had about 12 of us in it. Again I was seeing that it wasn’t always biblical and when people had questions they’d guide you back to the “weekly teaching” given to these group leaders.
At this time I was experiencing genuine demonic attack. Actually seeing dark spirits. I researched the Bible and good books and learnt because I’d dabbled in tarot cards, other new age stuff that I opened a spiritual doorway. The devil didn’t like I’d jumped camps. I’d ask for help. I’d show scriptures of Jesus casting out demons and telling followers not only to do the same but we have the power to.
Bringing up deliverance prayer or ministry was met with this from everyone “you were fully healed at the cross so no demon can come against you” Pardon? The Bible teaches us constantly we will be attacked, that the devil and his minions are real. The book of Revelation outlines how much of the darkness will hit our world. I was really suffering.
Then someone who did it in secret as so scared to be found out told me of a pastor of a ministry who did deliverance ministry and prayer and specifically did it for Hillsong members who couldn’t get this help in their churches. These people were scared to say they’d gone to him. He was the most Godly man is ever met. Sadly he passed a few years after helping me but he healed many people.
3. One day I arrived to a Sydney service late as my baby had been a nightmare to get to church with. As I walked in Lead Pastor Brian Houston stopped speaking, pointed at me and said “if you can’t show God respect to be here on time then leave”. I’m not kidding. So an Usher asked me to go. Everyone was looking at me. I sobbed in my car, I was a brand new Christian.
I had many other awful moments and got the message if I visited other churches now and then it was not accepted. I began to feel it was cult like.
I eventually went to another church called Dayspring in Sydney in distress where on the weekday two lovely women spent 3 hours praying with me and comforting me. I attended a few services and was very impressed at how it felt God was first, not man, not flashy technology or posh buildings. The teachings were so different and I blossomed as a Christian. One day I’ll never forget the Pastor starting to preach then stopping and saying “God wants to do something different today” he threw away his notes and as worship played led the whole church into hours of meaningful repentance, healing prayer and fellowship. You could feel the Holy Spirit. I was water baptised there and it was wonderful. Great genuine people and humble leadership.
Sadly over many years after I moved north I had awful experiences in other Pentecostal churches too. I learnt I had the gifts of discernment and prophecy so often God would show me things in the spirit others didn’t believe. One church told me the leadership was fiddling the tithes and God told me to stop giving! Of course I thought this can’t be God. However, a year later it was revealed they had been using church giving to buy expensive land and houses! They were stepped down by the Assemblies of God (an umbrella Pentecostal group of churches that also has bad issues) and moved to be under pastors and allowed to repent.
I also underwent true spiritual abuse, lies spread about me and learnt if I ever asked questions I was labelled a Jezebel.
I’m now living back in England where I was born. I lived in Australia from age 10 for 30 years. I’ve struggled to feel safe in any church and with serious illness, an abusive 14 year marriage to a so called Christian man I’m not in a church but I’ve held on to my faith. After Covid hopefully settled here I am going to try many different churches trusting God to guide me.
I saw things from leadership that was so wrong after volunteering in so many areas of church. In one large church trying to mimic Hillsong I was praying and just said in my heart “God, where is Jesus” and immediately heard “He is outside waiting for when leadership invite him in”. I was really touched and sensed Gods grief.
This church raised £2 million pounds then spent it on air-conditioning, a cafe and a giant McDonalds type playground. At the same time they closed the single mothers ministry, the bus that brought the homeless to church and other community outreaches. I was literally told “it’s best you find another church” for minor questions that a true church would have no issues answering.
I’m an author and plan to write a book on the wrong and dangerous teachings and leadership in some churches, predicted in the Bible, how these men and women serve their own agenda, not Gods agenda. How you have to pay a lot to attend a flashy women’s conference instead of it being free to those who need God. I also got married twice to men who appeared to be strong Christians, I’d wanted to have a Godly marriage and serve in ministry so much. With both, almost immediately after marriage the Bible didn’t exist, no prayer, no worship at home and I was pulled away from Christian friends and church. Then the abuse escalated.
It’s in the Bible about wolves in sheep’s clothing and also men who prey on vulnerable women. A lot of churches tell women who dare to say they are being abused to forgive, to try harder to be a Godly wife, to pray more....it’s dangerous and I lost years and years of my life, health and opportunities to be truly happy. I forgave a zillion times but it makes no difference.
I want to write a book for women sharing how to really look for a man truly grounded in Jesus and who puts God first, how to avoid deceit Tce churches and where in the Bible God speaks of hating abuse and those who inflict it. I’d also like to write a devotional for these women also. I see all the signs of end times and soooo many Christians being fooled and led astray which was foretold.
My prayer is I can in time find a healthy, outward focused church where I can be the hands and feet of Jesus. So I totally get your journey and sadly it’s in other mega churches too. God will sort the chaff from the wheat. There is an excellent lot of books out there about spiritual and church abuse and one called Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing but I can’t recall the author.
God bless you for your channel and God bless anyone struggling. Don’t give up, pray that God shows you a biblical healthy church where Ge is invited in.
Jeremiah 29:11 🌺
Dr Patrick Doyle a Christian psychologist on youtube really helped bring clarity in my situation. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I feel some just parade as Christians but don't actually want God.
Didn't read all but Brian Houston stopped and pointed at you or if any others late. I've never seen that ever in my youth for decade+ every week... Or maybe Brian had a really really really bad day. But I don't go to Hillsong or church anymore anywayz... it becomes boring though Hillsong- i can watch a marvel movie and find more about God and Christianity
Wow, thank you so much for sharing your story!
Wow, I am so sorry you have gone through so much church hurt and abuse. I’m astonished and really admire how you’ve remained faithful to the Lord, I know so many people who have been hurt by the church that end up resenting God (even though we know the Lord is not at fault it’s just that we humans are so corrupt) and they separate from the Lord. Thats a beautiful testimony still even though so much pain is involved and just keep pushing and remembering God is by your side and He will not leave you even in the darkest and loneliest moments. The devil will try and come and whisper lies into your life and mind but remember Jesus loves you and He will never forsake you. I really really admire your strength, it reminds me about how Joseph remained faithful even though he suffered bad experiences one after the other but in the end God gave him the victory over his enemies and God still got the glory! Keep pushing sister, may God bless you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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I have a very similar experience to yours. I was saved through a non-biblical local church. You are saved not because of Hillsong church, but because God has already chosen you. God can use everything and everyone as an instrument to save us, to make us grow.
Thanks for your honesty and may Almighty God continues to bless you.
Jenncy, I'm so impressed with your maturity in your faith and the wisdom you described in the video. Thank you for doing such a good job in this video. Best!
I've been a member of a church like this. I found myself worshipping the Pastor's and not my Jesus! Thankful He moved me out of there and is restoring me❤
I feel you 😌 Praise God for His grace and mercy 🙌
Amen thank God 🙏🙏🙏
Your discernment has grown as your faith has grown. So awesome to see. 🙏🏼❤️
I respect the fact that you decided to break away from the crowd and chose to read/study the Bible on your own, free from the opinions/commentaries of others.
I did that myself and I found the Churches to be hypocritical and deaf to the sins they commit after Church service and throughout the week, Mon-Sat.
Very insightful video. I think every mega church struggles with the same thing...it starts with the focus on glorifying God and Jesus and then over time, it loses that focus, especially as it grows bigger and bigger. It's an easy thing to do. My best church experience has always been in a small group, worshipping God together in fellowship.
So far Brooklyn Tabernacle seems to have dodge that bullet. I pray they continue but whether or not NOTHING I learn about any pastor or church is going to rock my faith in God and his son Jesus Christ. That is because I have my OWN TESTIMONY of God's saving power in my own life and I daily seek to know him more and more through his HOLY SPIRIT who is my CHIEF TEACHER and COMFORTER.
Especially in churches that forsake walking out Mark 16.
I totally get you, I felt this at The Dream Center in LA years ago, the worship was so pizzazzy, I know maybe they were trying to reach the inner city youth, but it was so distracting and everyone had to “look good” and it felt very much like a high school vibe and who is “in and popular and cool“, so I am so glad I am not there anymore because really all of that is fluff. What we need is to be excited about the word of God and preaching the truth mightily and strong! Yes I don’t like a church that is about entertaining either, I’m so happy God has captured your heart and is having you grow deeply in Him, that’s beautiful. Also, so many Pastors from Hillsong are resigning or got fired and Brian Houston just stepped down, so looks like God is wanting to Clean this house up, praise God!
I know exactly what you are talking about. Sometimes it felt more like a highschool than a church. I am glad you found your way out too! Thanks for watching my video.
This type of stuff is common at Victory Outreach international too. I have many many stories of cult like behavior as well as spiritual abuse.
@@shannonellen8643 I understand, I was once at VO too 🙄, there were some good parts and some not so good parts, a bit too holy rolley without some grounding at times
Every time I post anything Hillsong related I get a lot of questions and negativity. Please be respectful and watch the video in full to fully understand my decision. I will be forever grateful about my time at Hillsong and don't want any blind hatred towards the Church. Please drop questions about the Church down below and I will answer as many as I can in future videos :)
Great video, Jenncysworld! Essentially, you noticed that Hillsong emphasizing themselves above God and His word. It can happen very slowly and can transform church into a performance where people come primarily to see the people and not hear or see what God says in His word. And I agree with what you say, God will use everything for His glory even things that are incorrect in the church, but we should also use discernment to call out what is incorrect in love.
Question: How were the responses of your church community when you would bring up your concerns things about the church that were unbiblical? Did they just ignore you? Did they feel like you were unbiblical? Were they use to it because of how a lot of others question Hillsong?
Do not care about the negative talk. You would never be able to take that decision if you haven't experienced it yourself.
Everyone have their own experience with same things. Some will like, some will not.
People need to respect that.
God bless you my sister in Christ. Much love!🙏❤
Firstly, I'd like to say I'm sorry that you hear a lot of negativity whenever you mention hillsong. I'd also like to say, it isn't for everyone. Many people bring friends there and then bring them to their home church after their friends have become Christians. Unfortunately, it's not just people from hillsong who doesn't read the whole bible. Many Christians actually don't. Especially the ones who grew up in church. And I was one of them. Mainly because whenever I opened the bible, I felt like I already know the story and I've heard it multiple times. I'd also like to point out that the people on stage, the band and pastors etc. Their neighbours wouldn't have known what they've done or where they've just been. That is, in Australia anyway. They are not as big in Australia as people think they are in Australia. A lot of people in the Australian church - the locals have no concept of how big they are overseas. But having said that a large part of the church and their volunteers are college students from overseas. And unfortunately, for those, there are many who are more fans than people who are just attending a local church. But you are right that it is easy to get sucked into a lot of things going on because it is very heavily events oriented. There's tons of events happening throughout the year. And there are positive and negative side towards it. The script that you mentioned in the connect group are supposed to be bible studies from Brian's preaching. And the thing as well is that, bible reading is encouraged depending on your leaders. I have heard many leaders say not to just follow what they say blindly and to read it in the bible and check it out for yourself. But I do understand that unfortunately, there are leaders who doesn't expressly say so. Having said all that. It is so good to hear that you are continuing to grow in your faith. And continuing to read the bible and exploring what God says. It is always good to listen to preachers and read books from different Christian denomination. Because there are pastors who are really good at expounding and doing an exegesis of the scriptures. Coming from a conservative church growing up, I see the importance of that. But I also see the importance of knowing how to apply what you've learned from the bible practically and not just knowing all the exegesis in your head. 😊 also, really great that you found a home church.
Maybe you need to put something like this in the video description because it puts Hillsong in a very negative light. I am in Australia and our church is wonderful BUT, I do not worship the church, it's Pastors or staff, I worship God through his son Jesus Christ.
At some point as a church body member you have to stop walking the deck on the cruise ship and learn to really get to know others deeply aka get in a small family group that has accountability...and that’s always the glitch with mega churches !
I understand you perfectly, and I agree 100% with everything you said.
Very well expressed!
God protect you and continues helping you to grow on His knowledge.
Me too
I did not attend Hillsong, but a similar type of church. I really believe that God brought me out of it. I love that you said, “we don’t need more entertainment”. Yes, I want to hear more about this topic! Be blessed xo
Do true
Great sensibility. I understand I used to go to a "Mega Church" and was wowed by their resources, talent and "flash" over time you see the lack of talk about SIN and HELL not that it is the focus of our faith but it can't be ignored. Turns out years later their charismatic AMAZING pastor was having an affair with his secretary and had to resign in shame. JESUS is the only STAR in CHURCH! Amen. Great upload.
Do a bit of research and you’ll discover exactly why they don’t mention sin and hell. Yes, go on Bit-chute and you’ll soon find out who they actually worship and what their agenda really is, it certainly isn’t worshiping Jesus Christ and leading a life of virtue and morality.
@@marniet594 oh yes of course. If you read the Bible you hear all about sin, repentance, sacrifice and judgement and things don't add up from some churches it's time to move on.
@@Mediamessengers thing is this ‘churchianity’ is deliberately being spread all over the world and people need to investigate why because if they don’t then false teaching will flourish and fester. There is a sinister agenda. It’s all on bit chute. Yt banned the truth tellers. Alexandra, in her YT channel ‘probably Alexandra’ (she’s still up because she’s careful in her wording) explains this well.
McChurches should be shut down.
@@marniet594 I hear you, thanks for the info. In the end it is His church that will stand.
@@Mediamessengers Amen sister!🙏 church of Christ will rule.
You're amazing Thanks for sharing! Stay strong in Jesus!
I visited Hillsong South Africa 11 years ago and it felt like a concert with about 15 minutes of the pastor plugging his book and their music album. The volunteer leader on the welcome team ditched my group to talk with his friends and we felt like we were in a high school 😂
Thankfully we met some German missionaries at the church stationed there at an orphanage and ended up traveling all around South Africa with them, so either way God introduced my group and I to some amazing Christians!
I've had similar experiences with other churchs. I'm happy I currently attend a solid church that presents the Gospel clearly and intentionally. Thank you for sharing your story!
This was a wonderful explanation. I appreciate your honesty. To me, church should be about meeting JESUS, hearing the gospel, examining our hearts, and sharing our faith with one another. May God continue to lead you closer to His heart!
Thank you 🙏 And I agree 👍
When you are ready ,please share what it was that raised concern for you in hillsong.
I can totally relate to that. I left a startup from a large “institution” of german language similar to Hillsong and joined a small local church for exact the same reasons!
God bless you my sister in the Lord! I agree with you 100% because Jesus died for us and saved us to live a righteous and holy life. We need to learn about Jesus more and more and get closer to him more than ever. Jesus is coming soon . We don't just need to atract people, but rather to show them what it means to be saved. May God awaken everyone in hillsong including the leaders. I've been to hillsong London long time ago and truly, the music and the atmosphere was intoxicating. I didn't go back after that time. It's not my type of church anyway. Pray for the people there so that God open their eyes and focus on JESUS alone. 💚💛❤ from Ethiopia, Africa
Thank you for sharing 🙏 Blessing to you in Ethiopia! Amazing to hear where my watchers are from 😯
You saying that you want to be reminded of your sin at church and hear the gospel of Christ presented is really mature to say. Your delightful, God bless!
Perfect, humble, genuine TRUTH !!!
Personally, I see hillsong as a church that is wonderful for newer believers. However I have found more depth and truth in the teachings of other churches.
hillsong is not a real church i left there is new age in it, there is not the fear of the lord and it's all about money and they are wordly and they are like a cult promoting their new music albums, it's not about praising it's about making money and they only play their music during adoration time
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No it's not wonderful for new believers. It's a demonic church trapping young minds.
so are you saying the amount of abuse with its volunteers behind closed doors is wonderful for newer believers? Because I beg to differ.
@@eden4703 my opinion has changed. This was from 10 months ago. I think Hillsong should be shut down.
Thanks for your comments. I attend Hillsong and I agree it's easy to get sucked into the entertainment rather than worshiping God.
There's room for great entertainment that's not sleazy or full of swearing etc, but the real time of worship and being still in God's presence, as well as feeling part of a family needs to be given equal time.
If it's just entertainment it's like trying to survive only eating Doritos and Coke = not satisfying.
Since you mentioned you’re listening to different pastors, I suggest Andrew Farley based in Texas. He pastor’s Church Without Religion there, has a YT channel and call in radio for questions. He focuses on the gospel and our identity in Jesus as believers based on his Word. I’ve been a believer since I was 12 and didn’t truly understand my identity in Jesus until recently. It’s so, so important to know who we are in him as born again, new creations.
Sounds good.
The thoughts that you've shared resonate with me. I'm in Australia, and having Joyce Meyer broadcast on TV has been a huge benefit to me with my relationship with Jesus. Knowing who we are in Him is crucial. I found her on tv before we all had smartphones, and she's been a God-send.
@@caroliner2029 Hi! You mentioned having been blessed by Joyce Meyer. The following is not intended to be taken as a personal attack but rather a scriptural examination of not only Ms. Meyer's views but, sadly, others who have made the true church a laughing stock through lack of taking God's word at face value & placing wealth before Godliness. I must admit that I find it hard to accept her having a net worth of $25M (not including her jet worth, at least $10M, & other non-liquid assets...). She espouses the "name it & claim it philosophy", saying God doesn't want us, as His children to be sick, or poor, yet in the scriptures, only two people in the bible, Enoch & Elijah, were "translated" (reaching heaven without dying). Paul also asked to be healed three times & was denied each time (2 Corinthians 12 verses 7-9). Maybe she also forgets that the Saviour never owned a home (Luke 9 v 58) & only owned one cloak at His crucifixion. She also ignores the scripture found in 1 Timothy 2 verse 12, forbidding women from teaching men. I could go on but will not. These are only examples of where Joyce's views clash with scripture. Justin Peters covers Joyce & other preachers with the same philosophy in a superb sermon called "Clouds Without Water" (found on TH-cam). Again, Christian love, from my corner of the world to yours.
That’s really great to hear how you’ve consecrated yourself to understand that the main purpose of church gathering is to glorify God. It was one thing I’ve struggled with as a young believer but I was willing to let God strip that away from me and I completely made my worship about God
I know nothing about Hillsong, but I totally agree that there is too much entertainment. I want to have more biblical reading and teaching and to learn how to grow closer to God. My spirit craves and desires this. God bless you in your journey with Jesus! 💕🙏
The LORD JESUS is your strength
This subject is true in many good large churches. You can get too wrapped in their “program” and just limit your personal walk with God. The Bible is so rich. I enjoy thru the Bible style of preaching and teaching with a challenge to think. Great subject. I also very much enjoy the HS music I have downloaded for myself.
My German friend took me to a Hillsong church in London a few years ago, she helped out with the band. The production and the vibe was about as far away from what I would normally associate with a church, it was all very impressive! When the collection could be made via an app I just had the feeling that money was the overriding factor in it all..
Hillsong and megachurches are very interesting. It's hard to imagine having a genuine connection with God in a space that is that crowded and filled with entertainment
i like your video. New Christians should learn at their own pace and absolutely question everything! Christianity is the only religion i know where you choose to personally enter a relationship with God. Its important that you develop prayer and scripture disciplines that suit your individual nature.
I have attended the main campus a few times. I stopped going after they asked the congregation to stand and applause the pastor coming onto the stage to give a sermon.
When they asked us to stand and clap, I never even questioned it at that time. But now having went to several other churches than Hillsong, I realized they were the only ones doing that.
Amen! Singing songs is not where you'll find salvation! Its the belief that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and living God's Ten Commandments!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. May you continue to be a blessing to others, God bless.
Thank you for listening. God bless you too 🙏
Wow. This is so insightful. I better reassess myself rn. Thank you!
Great testimony, just like you many of us were there until God opened our eyes. Shalom
You are so smart! God gave you great wisdom! God bless you and guide you to the true knowledge of his gospel!
As someone who didn't grow up in the church and only found the Christian faith later in life, you seem so much more spiritually mature than many people I know in church. I'm glad that even though you were very attached to Hillsong, you still kept your faith and grew more. I really hope there's more like you. Thank you for sharing your journey.
Oh my gosh that's exactly how I feel thats why I also left the Hills song church
I agree so much with you.
Thanks Jennifer for your honesty. You are right to question and seek truth and wisdom from the Bible. Wisdom comes from God only and Christ is the narrow gate.
Thank you for sharing and what you had to say was very interesting. Because I used to be part of hillsong city campus. You are right about the church is to entertain you. I felt it was one great show. I used to go several times on weekends and volunteered a great deal there.
With the members there, they were polite and friendly, but the more I got into hillsong I would see that there are people can hurt you such as as the leaders there.
In the end I felt hillsong like some rock concert. The VIPs would get the best seats in the house. You will never get a chance to speak to the main pastors there.
I felt it was more of a rock concert at hillsong conference. I volunteered there several times and at times really put off with how some things were run such as not allowing non paying members to the conference and wanted to go in and see it. Or if they don't have a ticket with them. People had to pay lots of money to go to this conference.
This conference cost a great deal of money and that money would be better spent on other projects.
I love how you presented this video.
That's a very good decisions.i'm a filipina and I'm here in our country Philippines,I've watched Hillsong church then,but after all the scandals I stop watching the service and unsubscribe to it.i hope and I pray that God will open their eyes to the truth.God bless you more.
im new here and wow im so blessed to stumble on this video🙏 blessings to you
Absolutely fantastic. I totally understand a d feel the same way.
Ich möchte mich erstmal, vielmals bedanken für dein Zeugnis, und für deine Analyse über Hillsong. Ich selber komme auch aus Deutschland und kenne Hillsong, bin seit 20 Jahren bekehrt zu Jesus Christus. Ich verfolge Hillsong sehr viele Jahre und bei uns in der Gemeinde spielt man auch Hillsong Lieder. So wie ich das beurteilen kann, geht es um Massen nicht ums Herz. Gott will unser Herz und nicht zahlen. Es ist traurig, daß das Evangelium nur halb gepredigt wird. Es ist der Heilige Geist, der von Sünde, Gerechtigkeit und Gericht überführt. Man kann nicht Menschen zu einer echten Bekehrung zu Jesus führen, indem Mann die Weld in die Gemeinde herein holt. Für mich sieht das mehr wie eine Discothek aus, mit den Lichter shows und dem Rumgehopse. Es wird nichts gesagt von Reue, Busse, Umkehr usw. gesagt.. Dir noch eine schöne Zeit.
Gruß Bernhard
thanks for your testemony. God bless
Can you give examples of what was happening when "they were not biblical? Interested as I am just starting to attend Hillsong in Australia and sense it is a motivational church for prosperity. which is like a Tony Robbins seminar and networking.I'm more interested in spiritual and learning about a relationship with God. Hillsong seems like a big youth camp and not many older people attending except for. Brian Houston and BobbieHouston.. BUT where. are their PEERS as in their Age group? What about people dying and sick, do they visit hospitals and the dying..?
Btw we love you, and Thankyou for making it clear for us about whats in being a part of hillsong.
Hillsong Church is pretty light, and often entertaining and doctrinally unsound. Would recommend going to a church that is doctrinally sound, and helps the flock look within and ask the hard questions about sin, surrender, and redemption, and ultimately how to deepen your walk with Christ every day.
However, many of Hillsong’s worship songs are lovely and can be used to supplement the depth of the walk you may be on
Agree the churches use entertainment to get the young people. The pastors think the are comedians. Churches are not for entertainment or making people laugh. Some people worship their pastors. You go there for worshiping God not pastors.
I was leaving my church to attend a hills church in Liverpool and before I went I prayed about it and Jesus showed me that they was false teachings on a few things mainly tithing, they set up a bank account for you to pay to attend, they teach you pay Jesus through the church and Jesus will bless you and Jesus stopped me in my tracks by revealing that to me and I’m still at my little church thank God
Well said sister in Christ. You're getting it. Continue your journey in the Word...(Bible). Stay focused on the Lord. Some churches around the world can become to celebrity like. And that is not biblical at all. It's a distraction. God bless you there in South Korea.
I just got back from Wednesday night Bible study at my church where I attend. We just started a great study in Hebrews. Blessing in Christ. 🕊🙏📖
Reflecting to your question what people get to wear. Having been in Australia also, To my opinion Lenz gets to wear as much or as little as he wants. If the man goes to the beach same story. How did you live if Hillsong was not paying you? I have visited Hillsong Perth. The music was loud, my car keys were ratteling in my trousers 120 dB. The preaching was very short, very skinny, thin,
For kingdom of God is not eating and drinking ,money but righteousness, holiness, justice..
Because of this type of stuff I have resorted to going to church online and finding a small group of Christian individuals I fellowship with. I am too wounded to step inside a church building currently
@jennysworld I am so excited about your journey with God and may His Holy Spirit keep you till the Day of the Lord comes.
After many years of being in ministry I would like to say this; different ministries have different approaches to ministry largely because of their mandate and calling from God.I say this because of being in many different churches across the spectrum.
Hillsong is what they call a seeker sensitive church; everything they do is designed to pull people into the kingdom at all cost and get them to stay long enough so they start growing......the truth is if they started calling you out on your sins from the beginning; you probably wouldn't have gone to church......as per your video.......their mission is being accomplished.
After the initial steps to growth which is called the 'outer courts' the believer starts to yearn for deeper intimacy with God which sounds like its where you are right now; you go into the 'inner courts' some are able to stay at Hiillsong or 'Seeker sensitive ' churches and still enter the 'inner courts' others need to go elsewhere in order to grow 'alot go to churches which are more directin doctrine and not necessarily big in size, all however will end up in the ' most Holy place' which is in an intimate relationship with Holy Spirit himself.
Our discipleship journeys vary , it always saddens me to see how we bash each other on when we are on our road and discover new things and levels in God.
My sincere prayer is that we ' The Body' of Christ begin to see how God uses the different parts of the Body which are various ministers and ministries , churches, styles etc to bring about His objective which is The body of Christ.
Very well said 👍
NOT BY POWER NOR MIGHT BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAYS THE LORD AMEN 🙏🔥🙏
Wow spot on!! If u use carnal means to attract them u have to use carnal means to keep them..that hillsong, they dnt preach the gospel at all..we thank God for opening ur eyes!! You should check out the movie American Gospel 1&2
Heey! Just found your video! No disrespect at all, but just saying that Hillsong doesn't push any of their things on you, if you don't want to be involved, you don't have to. I have been a part of Hillsong for almost 4 years now and I absolutely love it! I don't attend connect groups or many other events, but I am a part of a team for one service, because I love doing it. And I have people on team who only show up once in a while, because they are busy with their lives. And I think every person finds a church that suits them and their lifestyle. Hillsong is mostly for new christians, to help them find community, encouragement, friends, support etc. But it is your decision to make friends outside of church, plan your time and go do other things. And when people (from church) do things wrong, just remember that they are just people and church is a place for all - not just the perfect ones. Even the leaders can fail, didn't David fail? I think people put so much pressure on churches, when its our own responsibility to choose our community, what we do with our time etc. Church is just a gathering of people of all kinds and stories and people will always fail, nobody is perfect. Werent the pharisees the "annoying ones" in the New Testament of how ignorant they were? I really dont think there is a perfect church, because its full with people. But I do think its beautiful when one finds a church they can call home and then they stick with it, through the highs and lows, because again - church is just a gathering. All the love, Linda
I can find myself in your story, only I came from a shallow minded baptist background and came to discover Hillsong Berlin. I nearly served there for 2 years anf they all tried to manipulate you under God's Kingdom and community. It was a hard learning lesson when I noticed they just drop you like a brick once you leave their church. Now I'm a spiritual Christian and at peace, I don't need a big community to find my own validation. God and Jesus are enough.
Praise God 🙌
Hi thanks for the video
Can you explain what the concern are? I left hillsong as well and detached myself read the bible. I would be interested in your concerns 😁 many thanks God bless you 💝
Hi Jenny, I’m just watching your video and I suggest you watch videos of Doreen Virtue and Fighting for the Faith on TH-cam. They helped me so much in my understanding of how we can get trapped in these mega churches with most often false gospels. I personally been involved with Elevation Church and even though the people were being the nicest to me, something felt so odd. Like you said: “it shouldn’t be based on entertainment.” There’s so much more theological and biblical knowledge to understand. And know: you’re not alone!!
im a proud member of hillsong church Los Angeles California
Beautiful🙏
Love you, Jenn! :)
Thankyou 🌷🌷
after a year of it i kinda realised, where is this substance? Every week it's the same old thing, like a circle jerk about how good it is to join a life with christ, day in day out. i felt like they didnt need to convince me of it anymore, im already here - now get to the important shit
Hillsong mainly focuses on non/new believers and numbers. They don't do actual in-depth bible teaching, therefore if you grow in your faith, you naturally grow out of Churches like Hillsong.
What should i do if i may ask. How would you answer to this question as i want to go to hillsong college. What advice can you give me about this??.
Hello, I uploaded a recent video about my experience at Hillsong College. Maybe it will help you with your decision.
That's a culture Hillsong has exported worldwide. Here in a Brazil, a lot of churches copied that entertaining model and have become teen clubs.
Are you ever going to go back to hillsong
God has given you the gift of 'discernment of spirits' which is described in Scripture. One should not judge a church per se' ( the book of Revelation) because God and Christ will do that. Nevertheless, there is a standard of worship set by the Father, God and true worship is of the Spirit and Truth. If one is truly sincere about following Christ. Paul tells the congregation(s) : "Do what they say but do not do what they do." Some preach the Word out of selfish ambition but Scripture states, nevertheless, Christ is preached. I agree a smaller congregation seems to be more intimate in fellowship and have much in common. The Spirit will guide. The Book of John (3;5) states that without water an Spirit, no one shall see God. One must be Baptized into Christ to receive the Holy Spirit. This comes by total surrender of one's life and Trust to God ,The book of Acts describe baptisms and "hence at a later time received the Holy Spirit. May God continue to reveal His Will to you.
I agree with you., Hillsong is very secular., i have been to Hillsong in Netherlands and Denmark and they are more like focus on their singing and being fun at church and not really on preaching the word of God., i notice the members are not really commited to a christian life., everytime i went to church i dont see any member really carrying a bible ., they organize simple gathering to know each other and when i went one of it i see members drinking alcohol and im thinking its supposed to be talking about faith being christian .
Music and art and even fashion that you are in are gifts of God. So we should use our gifts to honor God more than using it to sing and honor humans.
I appreciate very much the many god given songs and music that God has given us through Hilsong and other Christian artists. These people could use their gifts to sing and promoting fornication, impurities, drugs and much ungodly things. But they serve God as God had called them too. Bear in mind that non of us are perfect. And Hilsong church and Christian artists are all human beings. Instead of criticizing on social media we should pray for each other.
People who listen to Christian artists and go to big or small churches each has tge choice to keep the focus on God instead of worshipping the messengers. We cannot put the blame on the messengers when we had made the mistake to be one of those that had put man or intertainment over God.
I had never in my life felt that a singer or a song writer or a preacher is more important than God. I think we should be thankful for God for good leadership and gifted people that God has gifted to lead worship... EXACT TO LEAD WORSHIP and THE ONE WE WORSHIP IS GOD! Good worship songs that point us to God are something God has given us to bless us to help us do justt what He wants us to...That is to worship God. The fact that humans beings have the tendency to idolize things and other humans above God is because this is one of our core disease as fallen men. I really feel that it is wrong that you keep making videos criticizing Hilsong Church or any individual of our brothers and sisters famous or not famous who still find it fruitful to go to big churches. I feel you might have just well keep going to big church and put your focus on God. You see the songs being sung in these churches are completely about God. I had not heard one Hilsong song that has put man over God. So you should let the words of the songs lead your focus on God instead of put your focus on the messengers/pastors/singers. You should focus on the scriptures being read and shared instead of solely relying on other people of the church to tell you about God. You can seek God in your own time whether you are attendingbig or small church. I cannot see why it was Hilsong fault that you did not seek God on your own. I cannot understand why it is the fault of the musicians and worship leaders fault that you chose to idolize them instead of letting the gift God had given them to bring your focus on God? And why is it worshipping God with good music is less good for you than bad singers. It is sad that GOOD GODLY MUSIC HAS BECOME TO YIU ONLY INTERTAINMENT. There are just too many so called Christian TH-camrs that wasting hours and hiurs and hours of their life and time to make videos criticizing other Christians. Unless we see one of our brothers and sisters sinning consciously we have no business of pointing our fingers on them just as hobbies for our "spare time". I feel like these so called leaders, men and women of God that you are criticizing must not have had it very easy carrying the responsibilities as leaders for so many people. I think we should pray for them instead of making videos time and time again criticizing how they are not perfect. Sometimes it is us ourselves that chose to put someone on the pedestal and instead of repenting from that we put the blame on other people. I don't know what your motive is for keeping making these kind of videos. But you should pray about if you should continue to keep doing this. I feel that you truly love the Lord and I hope you will seek the Lord about what to put on your videos. The Lord bless you
I agree 100%
Hillsong has a real problem especially with it's leaders of rudeness and elitism. If you are just a volunteer or even a congregation member the leaders rarely will speak to you and will even be quite rude. We had a lead sound guy come to our small church where the volunteers there are new and he was rude to them constantly however sucked up to the Pastors/leaders of our church this was a direct culture I could see was set from the Pastor of this specific Hillsong church.
Hillsong is no different than a new age modern cult. The belief is mixture of cult and mystics with a heavily manipulated biblical doctrine. May God rescue all the souls trapped by this false movement. Only God can open the eyes of the blind.
What we're the things you saw at HS that you said are not right xnot Biblical?
Thanks for sharing new friend. Like
Just read the bible. The Holy Spirit is the greatest teacher. Start reading the word of God, pray Eph 1:16-23. The Father and Yeshua will guide you. Too many preachers are about money and fame, most of the time preaching their own gospel. The Lord asked us to be careful. Blessing
Amen
Glory to God for your life, can you have me in your prayer please sister. How can I get in contact with you ?
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He has the kind of gospel that will open you up to the true righteousness and holiness of God that exposes sin. Please do ma.
may God have mercy on you........
I have been to this place more than a few times in London. Some people say its a cult others say its a place where you can be saved. They say everything will be fine once you find God. You'll have a good job and the women of your dreams, you'll get this and you'll have that blah blah blah put money in the pot to became closer and its all a bit of a fantasy. There is some corruption that goes on within this church as well. Its a nice place to go to tho.
A very strange scottish man lead me to christianity. He was quite odd and did strange things. He would tell us these stories how God would tell him to do certain things and it would be the right thing to do to bring someone to christ. Years later I was thinking how odd he was and asked myself out loud why he did such strange things and how could that even be good at bringing people to God. The moment the words left my mouth, I heard a voice in my head saying, what he did worked, you yourself are testamony. For all the sins of Carl and for all his strange ways, you yourself came to know about Jesus through that crooked sticks work which you address.
The true Gospel is about Repentance and Holiness. This has been so lost in the modern church. The MESSIAH is coming, it's time Christians prepare well to be ready.
how are you my friend ?
it can't be a blessing and a curse at the same thing. A thing is either of jesus christ or of the enemy and they do not bring people out if sin they avoir talking about sin, repetance and hell. They are not of jesus christ
Your focus should only be on God. Not on church or a pastor or it's culture. While they help you to come to know the Christ, only Jesus can save and heal you. There is no obligation for anyone to be attached to a church. Once you are born again, you can seek God through Holy Spirit and bring others to God. It's a spiritual journey with God and not necessary with a Church establishment. Church is only there for you to help. And if a church is becoming over demanding or a cult like, its a big red sign.
That’s the dangerous part… “the good” that you’re referring to is the very reason why hillsong church although they mention Gods name they really aren’t truly praising God… 9000 things distract you from truly worshiping… it’s all about cool music, good looking people and have a cool name tag
I just have a question: You said your move was a forced one, in that case did "God" say you should leave Hillsong church or it was your feelings? With the terms you were serving, I for one would not say it was wrong but following on the building of where you belong. I see your move as an oppotunity for expansion of the church that you failed to realize. I think you were not ready to lead just like Paul was saying some of us are still looking to be fed while we are supposed to be feeding others. Just reconsider my beautiful sister, the Lord shall be your strength
Hi Jenncysworld can I have your permission to have a nice Godly chat with you about my True the Lord Jesus Christ?
you discovered things u thought werent right? but you JOINED THEM. listen people, when you JOIN THEM you are AGREEING to their views. then begins the brainscrub because THEY ALWAYS KNOW WHATS BEST RIGHT?
I "joined" them as a non-christian knowing nothing about the gospel and church. As I kept growing in my faith, I noticed more and more things that are "off" about Hillsong, so I left. That I would say, is a very natural process for new believers
@@Jenncysworld most definitely, its that very aspect these weirdos prey on. im glad to hear you left
No One Church/Pastor in this world is perfect So Believe in JESUS not in your Church or Pastor bec they are human🙂
This is what happens when you require the Meat of the word rather than the milk. Maturity 🙂
Dear Jenny you experienced a lack of depth in HS. HS is inflated ego self worship; devoid of humility or humble life style. Jenny you need to study Christian church history to understand how the Gospel of Christ was applied to church organization, leadership, core faith beliefs , practices, and faith tradition. Look up Fr Josiah Trenham on TH-cam ; he is a priest of the Eastern Orthodox Church that upholds The Gospel of Christ, preaches salvation of Christ, worships in the ancient Christian traditional way. Jesus Christ came to us from the East, not NY or Sydney. We can’t repackage Jesus Christ into a western hipster celebrity. Jesus said:,
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
I’m not an expert but it sounds like hill song is more like a para church vs church body. It also sounds like a cruise ship pretty comfy. And.....Carl Lentz was a douche bag !