oh boy, another edition of the development of evolution simulation game The Sapling, the solo indie game project, that has two game modes: scenarios that task us to design an ecosystem to meet certain requirements, but also a sandbox where we can build our own algae, plants, and animals, turn on random mutations, and see how they evolve
A gamemode where you would try to make one specific species the most succesful would be sick. You'd only get a limited amount of manual mutations every hundredth year or so, and there could even be support for duels (though multiplayer is probably the last thing a game like the sapling needs at the moment).
Make mushrooms bioluminescent. Bioluminescene can increase chances of the fungi spreading if it is able to attract animals to spread the spores. Also mushrooms can have quality of being poisonous too.
Highly unlikely to be implemented. Like even the fungus controls the animal how will it be an advantage in the game? In real life the fungus controls the animal to spread the spores in a place where it will likely be spread by the wind. Kinda too complex and unnecessary for this game.
Well the fungus is meant to be an alternative plant organism minus the photosynthesizing. Probably fungi will be unique if there are environments which photosynthesizers can't flourish (dark areas) like on the forest undergrowth, deep sea for marine fungi, and caverns (if it'll be implemented).
Yoooooooo mushrooms! I’ve been waiting for mushrooms for a long time. Also, if this update is themed around scary stuff, and partially the deep sea, I think squid/octopus tentacles would fit really well! Best update I’ve ever seen in any game, by far.👏
The mycelium of fungi is a set of many thin tubes, running through the soil, so maybe you can represent that in the same way you do grass? With some tiles having an almost veiny appearance, signifying that there is mycelium there. I like fungi, and while I absolutely, 100% adore what you did, I would like to see them represented more fully. Maybe. If you have the time.
I found the perfect form for a plant. Works in all conditions, assuming you can find somewhere to establish the species, and it always outcompetes the animals preventing them from evolving. I tried with multiple different starting animals to make sure. The secret is to make a tall plant with fruit at the top and leaves at the bottom. Herbivores can feed on the plant but can't stop it from reproducing. There's no incentive for animals to grow taller because the food is right there meaning all fruit will produce ofspring every time. The plant takes over the planet but no matter how long I run it for the plants keep the animals locked to their starting area. This made me curious so I added aditional starting animal species and they were able to all coexist because this plant provided plenty of food for herbivores to eat. I'm hoping the next update gives my animals new incentives to evolve that might see them finally posing a problem for my super plant. I will add, this game gets rough on my computer after a while so it could easily be that I'm just not running the game for enough millions of years.
@@7HEMUFFINMAN I was trying to get something to evolve yes a fully fleshed out organism would eat the fruit. None of my starting organisms would evolve though.
I remember hearing somewhere that there used to be really big fungi that used to fill the same niches as trees. Maybe something could be done with that if the fungus editor is expanded more
Prototaxites! There is discourse over whether they actually stood vertically but it is true they were massive, it could be cool if some of the earliest fungi tended to large sizes in absence of predators
I remember those from Birthdays the beginning! I don't think they filled the niches of trees like someone already said but yeah they were absolutely massive! They were sort of like oddly shaped pillars
@@WilliamLund-o1dI mean I've heard they may have been lichen and thus had photosynthetic symbionts (in the book Otherlands to be specific) but I'm not sure if that's the generally agreed idea.
It’d be cool to see more exotic variants of fruiting bodies-shelf fungi and morels, for example. Could even pair them with rendering detritus as “fallen logs” made from the bodies of plants turned sideways. It could also be interesting to play with some real ecological history in terms of the distinction between woody and herbaceous plants, with wood requiring hardier decomposes to break down (which is why wood didn’t decay for millions of years on earth)
This man is doing an *incredible* job. He's doing everything alone. The coding, the graphics, the music. You are a freacking genius. I pove this game already. I've been following you since the beginning and I'm very excited for the final product. Tho, take your time, make it the best game you can. Much appreciation and support from Belgium (i actually forced my friends to watch all your devlogs lol)
That's very sort of... innocent and optimistic feeling music for fungi. Which isn't a criticism, it's just not what I was expecting, especially since this is the scary & sexy update. This is music which very much sounds neither scary nor sexy.
Mushrooms and fungi in general require an update for themselves. They have way too many adaptations we have never seen neither in animals nor in plants. Speaking of which... I belive trees, climbing, gliding and sticky tounges (and perhaps the peculiar zoop lizard adaptation on it) will fit a lot in The Sapling, perhaps giving it a reason to bear the name. Another request, this for parts, is a microraptor's leg wings, yi wings, snake mouths, antenae and mole wiskers. This adds a whole new base to work with, adding the before mentioned gliding, venom spitting and pheromones. Mole whiskers could function as a niche substitute for eyes.
The fungi should have a connection to each other like irl and that they also grow on plants, trees/fallen trees and dead animals (if you add dead bodies/carcasses and dead trees) and that the fungi also spread trought the root network, and that some trees need a certain fungi to work and that fungi needs that tree to work like irl
@@CreatorProductionsOriginal I am scared to think how you would imagine glowing dots in the forest as "sexy" this guy is the reason for 99% of folklore wth
But if they survived (e.g. based on their larger body mass), they would trip encouraging them to eat more of the fungus. You could apply it to plants as well (real life examples are coffee or tobacco)
Dude, idk if you’ll personally see this, but I admire that you put more love into your game development and create more exciting and intriguing content than whole ass companies and dev teams. We need more guys like you in the gaming world. Hella excited for this update, and every blog only increases the anticipation
There should be a limit on how often a creature can change sex, that would depend on how many bodyparts and traits are changed. Maybe bodyparts that do the opposite: increase the limit, allowing for the creature to change form more often Also, since it is scary update, spider webs. And arthropod limbs
Ohh man! I would love to see those 🍄🟫 that could OVERRIDE instincts, like those mind control mushrooms that will let's say, make a creature "move toward pain" or only eat 1 color to spread more.
They is actually music made by actual mushrooms! I’m not particularly well-versed in how it works, so I’m not even gonna attempt to explain that by memory, but it could be worth looking into! I love what you’ve already got going on though!
Fungi is such a fantastic thing to add! I adore this game and love seeing you show off the work you do on it. The journey is so fun and your game updates brighten up my day. If you decide to expand on mushrooms maybe making them possibly grow as parasites to plants and even animals would be interesting? Also you could implement poisons kinda like with plants? Aquatic mushrooms similar to real life examples like Psathyrella aquatica would be super cool too! I also have another idea, bio-luminescence for fungi! In nature, glowing fungi do this to attract organisms such as fireflies so they land onto the mushroom and get their spores and spread them to new places. In your game, perhaps you could make it so animals which attract mates through bio-luminescence get deceived by the fungi and make contact, and then carry the spores somewhere else? Just a thought! Keep up the amazing work legend!
love the game! an interesting defence for the mushroom would be a poisonous "magic mushroom" which removes the animals instincts and/or adds random instincts for a limited time, affecting more intelligent animals more.
As there are carnivorous plants in the game already, it would be cool to see carnivorous fungi as well. One group of carnivorous fungi even live at the bottom of the ocean, IIRC.
Carnivorous ocean fungi? I can't find anything on them but if they do exist they'd definitely be pretty cool. From a quick Google search it seems most carnivorous fungi simply poison prey and digest them, no pseudo-mouths or anything nessecary, which I imagine would make it hard to simulate. It could probably work with a spec evo twist.
@@GoodrichthysEskdalensis I'm not sure if the ocean variants are carnivorous, but they share phylums with at least two deep ocean fungi: Ascomycota and I think Basidiomycota. But I brought up the ocean variants because it wasn't clear to me whether the Sapling Fungi would be limited to land or not. The video didn't have any examples of water based ones that I noticed. Oh, they do have some pretty trippy tools for ensnaring prey. Dripping goopy tall fruiting bodies, deep cups that trap prey like pitcher plants. Some of them look really alien.
@@shinysands9193 That's totally different, though... If it's eaten, it's eaten. That instance of it is dead or damaged. Not to mention, competitive fungi that feed on decomposing bodies might hustle into its' territory. If it is carnivorous, it eats and grows stronger, so long as it isn't injured by its' prey.
Thank you so much for adding mushrooms to the game! An amazing update! I really hope that fungi in sapling will receive much more specialized body parts, features, diversity, so that the experience of creating them will be very different from the creation of plants and animals! I really want to see a variety of fungi, and their interaction with other types of living organisms. For example, animals can get sick after eating some types of fungi, it will be interesting because there are no diseases and bacteria/viruses in the game. Or that fungi can grow on dead meat or tree roots! I also wish fungi also had its own poison editor. It would be cool to see a mycelium editor (for example, it might look like a zone editing tool, the same as the soil editor) and be able to see which zones of the earth have which mycelium!
I love all the work you're putting into this game! Can you please add rocks so epiphyte plants can colonize them? Moss, ferns, orchids, bromeliads, carnivorous plants, lichens etc all use them irl. Those kinds of organisms could act as pioneer species too so do better or rocks or poorer soils until detritus/nutrients build up and then stronger plants can take their place.
I think one common property of fungus here is underused. The sounds they make when hooked into diodes, odd sine patterns and fun sounds. I think that would fit better (PLUS ITS NOISE MADE BY THE FUNGI'S ELECTRICAL SIGNALS; its really cool) referring to music
Hello I hope you read this comment but I suggest adding to the game the ability for animals to grow more limbs or lose limbs from mutations. It’s something that has bothered me for a long time and it’s that animals seem to change their limbs but never gain new ones or lose them. For example, when I started a world with simple animals and no limbs, the animals NEVER evolved limbs for as long as I ran the game. When I did this and gave them 2 limbs to start, they ALWAYS had only 2 limbs, no more no less. And the same with 4 limbs. The limbs can change between fins, legs, etc. but never do animals develop more than what they have. I don’t know if this was intended or a technical limitation but I was thinking that you should add the ability for them to gain/ lose limbs over time because it would make things much more interesting with some creatures ending up being 4 legged and others being bipedal, or maybe even many legged centipede like creature. Also I was thinking about how a lot of creatures don’t seem to have a balance to where their legs are vs their center of mass- which makes their body look pretty awkward. None of this is complaining of course I love this game and hope it grows further, but if I were to choose what gets added next this would be it. Thank you for reading, and keep up the good work.
I hope this gets expanded in the future with plant instincts. Mycorrhizal fungi would be important for that, spreading chemical signals beyond just the plant's radius. It could also allow for areas normally unable to be colonized by plants to be so by having a nutrient network, possibly giving a use for some plants to generate more energy than needed to reproduce normally.
Not sure where's best for suggestions based on gameplay, but after maybe 20 hours here's a couple: Main QoL suggestions: 1. The game grinds to a halt about 50 millennia and beyond (which is a long time, but I was trying to slowly control evolution to get speciation across islands separated by strong currents, or temperature, or low winds etc., as well as trying to only mutate in branches). I'm guessing this is not easy to fix, so a middle ground could be the ability to select or favorite certain species, then to reset your map to year zero, and then be able to reintroduce those species. 2. I played the scenarios recently, it's actually quite nice being limited to only mutate along the branches. It could be a nice toggle or option or something to turn that on for sandbox, maybe only for mutation, so you can still create anything from scratch. 3. Being able to reintroduce a species via the mutation editor would be a nice option, so I don't have to drop in 50 of a species that I've made that is clearly not fit, and then hope I can mutate one after the "no-mutation" window ends. If I could just de-extinct by making edits would be nice. Alternatively; remove the time delay to be able to mutate a new species? 4. Mutation rates: I initially did this, and have seen other TH-camrs do this when first playing; including some warning about increasing the mutation rate could help. It seems like just throwing it to 25-50% is better for adaption, but 5-10 seems much better. Might maintain interest from some. 5. Potential suggestion: Part of the reason I spent so much time was that I was trying to figure out how to make a fire-resistant tree that could support nests, so that my starting island (which was almost constantly wrapped in firestorms), could hold animal eggs so they could survive the fire that way. After many hours in the editor, I figured it out, but the difficulty was in the balance of branches that could be placed, along with the number of leaves, and how that puts a cap on the maximum energy. When plants are in the top 2 sizes, it's very difficult to balance this. The main problem was understanding that the height of the tree was taking up all the energy balance, then secondary was figuring out how many leaves actually added energy before doing nothing. Perhaps something to visualize how far up a trunk is "high enough to avoid fire"? Side note, it was actually very satisfying to get to grips with it after a lot of trial and error, so that's a point against it. I'm guessing people will become frustrated before this (and the scenario I was trying to make work is probably quite niche).
instead of "scale vertical" as a boolean, perhaps a "scale by" matrix with coefficients for each dimension. 0 is no scale, but it allows you do to half scaling as well
A thought: land created by volcanos should have a minimal, but not zero, nutrients. So hardy plants and fungi can settle there to start building complexity over time. I often like adding some random volcanos in the sea so I can generate fresh land when ecosystems balance out.
I made that suggestion long time ago so happy to see it Also I would love to see one celled organisms like bacteria and viruses that could infect other organisms
From what I know, shrooms are like the fruit of mycelium, which grows from spores and then creates more shrooms; in this case, it spreads underground, consuming decaying matter, and usually, mycelium is great for the soil and plants, an indicator of good health. If you ever feel like it, could you give this a thought?, you could add mycelium to the game with benefits to the ground where it spawns. It needs humidity and some other stuff, usually temperate temperatures, in my yard I don't get shrooms all year and even the ground has varying extensions of mycelium depending on when I dig. Your game's super cool man, I'm always happy to watch new updates, so I hope this could be of use. Have a good one!
Dude I’m such a fan of your videos, your music, your talent and your knowledge. Ur devlogs always amaze me and inspire me so much 🔥🔥🔥🔥 this game will be such a banger🗿🔥👌🏻
Just a thought on the fungi network. Do with it whatever you want: If you ever played city skylines/ planet zoo. when you want to see all pipelines, or bustracks it makes everything else it makes everything else white/grey and highlights the tracks with blue or red so you can see how the networks are running and interacting. Maybe something to look into for visualization of fungi networks? Hope its maybe something you could use or sparks an idea!❤🎉
There are lots of interesting things one can do with fungi! Maybe fungus that choose to make their own detritus by infecting other living beings with spores and slowly killing them, or altering their behaviour (a carnivore begins hunting more than it eats creating more detritus to give an example)
There should be sliders for hallucinations Three different sliders for sight, touch, and hearing. The higher the slider the more the creature has trouble identifying those senses ie: pain won’t be recognized, color detection might be shifted and sounds distorted
The mushrooms are just the fruits of the fungus, you should make it so that for some species the fungus itself is mycelium under the soil, which can be seen with a toggable button that shows if the tile has mycelium in it like how you have it show if theres nutrients in the soil. This allows for potential megaorganisms to form and adds variety. I would be very interested to seeing how multiple megacolonies of fungus interact with each other and how non colony forming fungus interact with them too
My very happy that fungi/mushrooms are in the game 🎉. And I know that you just want to add animals that are very visual but some sort of insect type animals would be great, especially with the carnivores plants.
I think you should add the ability to add multiple fruiting bodies to a fungus, allowing you to make something like Leocarpus or Geosiphon. It'd also be cool to have the ability to make something similar to Prototaxites, a giant Silurian/Devonian fungus. It is commonly thought to have grown upright, but some researchers have found it to instead be a horizontal rhizoid (Prototaxites reinterpreted as mega-rhizomorphs, facilitating nutrient transport in early terrestrial ecosystems). I don't know which would work better but honestly it'd be cool to have both. There's also the genus Ileodictyon, which has a really cool basket shape.
You know one thing that might be interesting is that on Earth a decent amount of plants have symbiotic fungi in their roots, which I believe do sprout mushrooms. That might be an interesting feature to add in the future.
I’m excited for the next update, it’s looking really good! I would like to add my two cents for this specific part of the update that I think would be reasonable and fun to simulate. I do think that the basic fungi being a detritivore with a fruiting body is a fantastic start, however, with this being a speculative evolution game I feel like the organism type would be almost wasted if it was limited in body shape and role. Fungal forests would be a really cool concept and it is something that has happened historically (see prototaxites) It would also be nice to see fungi possibly take a more active role other than passive detritivore in attacking live plants, with certain species being able to attack woody stems and others being able to attack fleshy stems (although I’m not sure how you would be able to visualize that) or perhaps certain fungi being able to kill animals in order to create detritus for their offspring (best guess I can give to visualizing that would be a static hazard like your carnivorous plants) Honestly though, typing this out makes me realize that these last ideas would be pretty difficult to implement due to visualization issues but I really would like to see you consider the fungal forest bit. Maybe it would be an interesting alternative to a plant dominated landscape, and I’m sure the bioluminescence would be cool
I would like to see some kind of representation of the mighty hyphae, but that would end up effectively being its own entire system. Apparently, fungi can grow colonies the size of entire countries and shift nutrient around to wherever it needs trees to grow.
And also I wish there would be like a adaptation where there could be multiple mushrooms sticking out of the ground but they're all connected to each other same thing with plants these ideas I got inspired by Aspen trees and honey mushrooms
Can you add digging claws (like moul's)? That way you can add the option to let fungi grow on tree roots. You cn also make it so when an animal die it could leave a skeleton fungi can grow next to. Or make it so if it died it will make other animals sick/make them avoid the area.
Maybes in the future you could add marine and cave fungi to the game that looks like a fuzzy hairy patches of mold similar to Penicillium verhagenii and it could be a autotrophic chemolithotroph that makes it own food from inorganic compounds in the rocky sea floor and cave walls like microbes do in real life, would provide organic nutrients for areas of the ocean and caves too deep sunlight and plants to be present. To tell the two apart, you could have the marine fungi be a greyish green and the cave fungi a reddish orange colour
We are literally ONE step away from single and multicellular organisms. Absolutely great job man, the fact that this is a sole man's project is just INSANE to me.
I think brain/sapience thing update is more intriguing.Complex behaviours, individuals family trees,more convenient cladogram.I would like him to add this to the game in the future. Of course, it will be difficult to make such update, which will only be possible after the project grows further
@@user-yo8kl9bg1j I also tought of that but he said he probably wouldnt add intelligence as even we humans still dont understand how it works. But well maybe if the community gives him enough support then maybe one day we'll get there
@@justmarcoriginal You can make a simple brain system like in the game The Bibites. It is not necessary to simulate intelligence. Let’s say there are 20 qualities, depicted as circles, which can be connected to each other, like neurons. And this is how a grid of intelligence is obtained. This is already in instincts like “you see the light - go from there,” but I would like to be more sophisticated. We also need a convenient (and not the same as now) cladogram, where you can look from the first ancestor to the last living descendant(Look at the cladogram in the game Species ALRE or The Bibites.)Also, in addition to intelligence in the form of neurons, you can add personality traits (aggressive, gluttonous, etc.) as well as skills (speed) that can be developed by an individual, and not the entire species. Well, I think Wessel will add a more plastic creature designer so that the bones are visible and you can make them upright.
Something I think would be interesting to see explored is the impact of artificial things on an ecosystem both in the form of life on mega structures as well as the actions of intelligent beings on life. What I invision is an ability to introduce robots that you can order to do various things from small mining or agricultural activities to building a civilization based on what you tell them they can and can't do and where. There would be two types of robot/infrastructure, "clean" and "dirty", which is exactly what they sound like. "Clean" has little impact on the environment, "dirty" does. Natural habitat loss, pollution both artificial and biological, industrial actions both small and large as well as artificial environments could produce some truly strange ecosystems.
actually, _those_ kind of mushrooms do give me an idea. you could make certain foods effect an animal's hormone levels, possibly to exploit it in some way
I recall someone managed to use mushroom and some electrodes to make mushroom music, so I admit I half expected to hear that as mushroom editor music XD
please allow us to make non mushroom fungi. Also please add mycelium and changes to the mycelium roots that could be made. Mycelium roots could interact with plants and develop complex relationships with plants. Some fungi grow directly on plants. also please pleas represent slime molds, water molds, and lichens in some way.
4:39 You Sure that's not a dangerous mushroom? I mean even if the mushroom safe,the spores might cause a problem in system if inhaled accidentally right ? Please someone inform me I have 0 ideas on Mushroom
I have a few suggestions regarding the game. It seems like bringing in more people for development could really help accelerate progress. Also, enhancing the animations would significantly improve the overall experience. If you're working on this alone, it might take years to achieve the desired quality. A collaborative team could make a big difference!
I was sorta expecting you to mention those songs made by hooking mushrooms to synthesizers that translate their signals into notes for the music, but I guess they might sound a bit to techno to fit in the rest of the soundtrack
in the sapling. straight up "sporing it". and by "it", haha, well. let's just say. My fungus .
Spore reference
@@TofifiPlaysspores are things by which plants ferns and algae reproduce
@@TofifiPlays showering is still an option
Like playing Spore with your piano
reddit moment
Let’s go we got psychedelic in the sapling before gta 6
Well rockstar games has to work on more things then our friend her he works how he wants but rockstar games has rules that they Ned to obey
@@radufieraru4178 true. Also may I suggest gramerly
@@radufieraru4178 true. May I suggest grammarly
@@radufieraru4178 the joke, you:
i can feel the impending r/woosh
oh boy, another edition of the development of evolution simulation game The Sapling, the solo indie game project, that has two game modes: scenarios that task us to design an ecosystem to meet certain requirements, but also a sandbox where we can build our own algae, plants, and animals, turn on random mutations, and see how they evolve
A gamemode where you would try to make one specific species the most succesful would be sick. You'd only get a limited amount of manual mutations every hundredth year or so, and there could even be support for duels (though multiplayer is probably the last thing a game like the sapling needs at the moment).
Make mushrooms bioluminescent. Bioluminescene can increase chances of the fungi spreading if it is able to attract animals to spread the spores. Also mushrooms can have quality of being poisonous too.
He should make mushrooms feed on dead bodies too
Or even control small Animals like the cordyceps on earth
Highly unlikely to be implemented. Like even the fungus controls the animal how will it be an advantage in the game? In real life the fungus controls the animal to spread the spores in a place where it will likely be spread by the wind. Kinda too complex and unnecessary for this game.
@@janreyreyes7298 it would add a bit more things to fungus otherwise its just gonna be a more sophisticated plant.
Well the fungus is meant to be an alternative plant organism minus the photosynthesizing. Probably fungi will be unique if there are environments which photosynthesizers can't flourish (dark areas) like on the forest undergrowth, deep sea for marine fungi, and caverns (if it'll be implemented).
My recommendation is too add mycelium and have a filter you can turn on that will show what tiles are colonized.
Kinda like grass but without the tall straws
Yoooooooo mushrooms! I’ve been waiting for mushrooms for a long time. Also, if this update is themed around scary stuff, and partially the deep sea, I think squid/octopus tentacles would fit really well! Best update I’ve ever seen in any game, by far.👏
I think I’ve actually seen them in the parts list in the other episodes but I’m not sure
@@gamingcat6034Yeah, an earlier episode had a few parts I think. Wasn’t much though.
The mycelium of fungi is a set of many thin tubes, running through the soil, so maybe you can represent that in the same way you do grass? With some tiles having an almost veiny appearance, signifying that there is mycelium there.
I like fungi, and while I absolutely, 100% adore what you did, I would like to see them represented more fully. Maybe. If you have the time.
Yeah or a filter to show the soil occupation
also fungi reproduction, that is an interesting topic
@@Yan-chanx0 Schizophyllum commune my beloved with 23K+ "sexes"
@@nilsnoel6628 That's a great idea
I found the perfect form for a plant. Works in all conditions, assuming you can find somewhere to establish the species, and it always outcompetes the animals preventing them from evolving. I tried with multiple different starting animals to make sure. The secret is to make a tall plant with fruit at the top and leaves at the bottom. Herbivores can feed on the plant but can't stop it from reproducing. There's no incentive for animals to grow taller because the food is right there meaning all fruit will produce ofspring every time. The plant takes over the planet but no matter how long I run it for the plants keep the animals locked to their starting area. This made me curious so I added aditional starting animal species and they were able to all coexist because this plant provided plenty of food for herbivores to eat. I'm hoping the next update gives my animals new incentives to evolve that might see them finally posing a problem for my super plant.
I will add, this game gets rough on my computer after a while so it could easily be that I'm just not running the game for enough millions of years.
did you try birds?
@@7HEMUFFINMAN I was trying to get something to evolve yes a fully fleshed out organism would eat the fruit. None of my starting organisms would evolve though.
@@lexibyday9504 you could manually make one and see if it would be able to eat the fruit faster than the tree could reproduce
I would make a terrible fungus joke...
But I'll spore yall the pain.
Heh, what a fungi...
😂😂😂
Talk about Cap
Man I’m laughing to “death”
We don't have mushroom for you're jokes
I remember hearing somewhere that there used to be really big fungi that used to fill the same niches as trees. Maybe something could be done with that if the fungus editor is expanded more
Not the same niches, because fungi aren't photosynthetic, but there did used to be really tall fungi early in the terrestrial transition.
Prototaxites! There is discourse over whether they actually stood vertically but it is true they were massive, it could be cool if some of the earliest fungi tended to large sizes in absence of predators
I remember those from Birthdays the beginning! I don't think they filled the niches of trees like someone already said but yeah they were absolutely massive! They were sort of like oddly shaped pillars
@@WilliamLund-o1dI mean I've heard they may have been lichen and thus had photosynthetic symbionts (in the book Otherlands to be specific) but I'm not sure if that's the generally agreed idea.
It’d be cool to see more exotic variants of fruiting bodies-shelf fungi and morels, for example. Could even pair them with rendering detritus as “fallen logs” made from the bodies of plants turned sideways. It could also be interesting to play with some real ecological history in terms of the distinction between woody and herbaceous plants, with wood requiring hardier decomposes to break down (which is why wood didn’t decay for millions of years on earth)
Interesting looking fungus there...
It is the sex update after all.
More like... funSUS! 👀
Ok, I''ll see myself out. It's the yeast I can do. 😌
@@Darth_Niki4 Thanks for sporing me from these jokes
I knew someone's gonna comment this 😭🙏
@@GreyshiGood Point
This man is doing an *incredible* job. He's doing everything alone. The coding, the graphics, the music. You are a freacking genius. I pove this game already. I've been following you since the beginning and I'm very excited for the final product. Tho, take your time, make it the best game you can.
Much appreciation and support from Belgium (i actually forced my friends to watch all your devlogs lol)
That's very sort of... innocent and optimistic feeling music for fungi. Which isn't a criticism, it's just not what I was expecting, especially since this is the scary & sexy update. This is music which very much sounds neither scary nor sexy.
It’s very cottagecore, maybe sexy for leprechauns?
I think it fits really well
Well were you expecting it to sound sexy?
@@vinsplayer2634 Some versions of the psychedelic angle trend sexy.
@@vinsplayer2634 Yeah that would be really weird, what like the weekend music??
Mushrooms and fungi in general require an update for themselves. They have way too many adaptations we have never seen neither in animals nor in plants. Speaking of which... I belive trees, climbing, gliding and sticky tounges (and perhaps the peculiar zoop lizard adaptation on it) will fit a lot in The Sapling, perhaps giving it a reason to bear the name.
Another request, this for parts, is a microraptor's leg wings, yi wings, snake mouths, antenae and mole wiskers. This adds a whole new base to work with, adding the before mentioned gliding, venom spitting and pheromones. Mole whiskers could function as a niche substitute for eyes.
Most of this is already in game
YES ADD RAINWORLD LIZARDS TO THE SAPLING
@@Betty_Catty a chamelon/frog tounge was literaly revelaed during one of the devlogs
@@Leyva0scarVRL another step closer to the ultimate goal: RAINWORLD LIZARD
MWAHHAHAHAHAHAAA
@@Betty_Catty😐
It would be cool if more sizes were a thing. So we can have megafauna and rodent-like creatures. Maybe even zooplankton if that's possible
BRO I SWEAR I SAW MEGAFUNA AS BLUE COMMENT
i can totally see him adding Zooplankton as a variation of algae.
@@SRMC23And just like how algae can become plants, zooplankton can become aquatic animals
@@extremempsilvamps5851 I dont think thats common
Micropredators and parasites would be an epic addition.
The fungi should have a connection to each other like irl and that they also grow on plants, trees/fallen trees and dead animals (if you add dead bodies/carcasses and dead trees) and that the fungi also spread trought the root network, and that some trees need a certain fungi to work and that fungi needs that tree to work like irl
A “dead” forest and carcasses would fit a scary theme
And bioluminescent mushrooms could fit the sexy theme
@@CreatorProductionsOriginal I am scared to think how you would imagine glowing dots in the forest as "sexy"
this guy is the reason for 99% of folklore wth
The Sex and Sigma update is truly the update of all time
literally everything anyone could ask for
It would be cool if a mushroom were poisonous, and if creatures ate it and died near it, the detritus would increase a lot, or something like that.
But if they survived (e.g. based on their larger body mass), they would trip encouraging them to eat more of the fungus. You could apply it to plants as well (real life examples are coffee or tobacco)
Dude, idk if you’ll personally see this, but I admire that you put more love into your game development and create more exciting and intriguing content than whole ass companies and dev teams. We need more guys like you in the gaming world. Hella excited for this update, and every blog only increases the anticipation
There should be a limit on how often a creature can change sex, that would depend on how many bodyparts and traits are changed. Maybe bodyparts that do the opposite: increase the limit, allowing for the creature to change form more often
Also, since it is scary update, spider webs.
And arthropod limbs
Man, i sure do hope that there isn't any boring men in the update
And just some fungi's
Ohh man! I would love to see those 🍄🟫 that could OVERRIDE instincts, like those mind control mushrooms that will let's say, make a creature "move toward pain" or only eat 1 color to spread more.
Everybody gangster until someone makes the cordyceps mushroom in the sapling
This would be a cool differentiator for some fungi: the ability to temporarily inject an instinct 🔥
4:39 I love that mushroom. It's fun to pop when it's spores inside, and actually edible when it's fresher
They is actually music made by actual mushrooms! I’m not particularly well-versed in how it works, so I’m not even gonna attempt to explain that by memory, but it could be worth looking into! I love what you’ve already got going on though!
Fungi is such a fantastic thing to add! I adore this game and love seeing you show off the work you do on it. The journey is so fun and your game updates brighten up my day. If you decide to expand on mushrooms maybe making them possibly grow as parasites to plants and even animals would be interesting? Also you could implement poisons kinda like with plants? Aquatic mushrooms similar to real life examples like Psathyrella aquatica would be super cool too!
I also have another idea, bio-luminescence for fungi! In nature, glowing fungi do this to attract organisms such as fireflies so they land onto the mushroom and get their spores and spread them to new places. In your game, perhaps you could make it so animals which attract mates through bio-luminescence get deceived by the fungi and make contact, and then carry the spores somewhere else? Just a thought!
Keep up the amazing work legend!
love the game! an interesting defence for the mushroom would be a poisonous "magic mushroom" which removes the animals instincts and/or adds random instincts for a limited time, affecting more intelligent animals more.
As there are carnivorous plants in the game already, it would be cool to see carnivorous fungi as well.
One group of carnivorous fungi even live at the bottom of the ocean, IIRC.
Carnivorous ocean fungi?
I can't find anything on them but if they do exist they'd definitely be pretty cool. From a quick Google search it seems most carnivorous fungi simply poison prey and digest them, no pseudo-mouths or anything nessecary, which I imagine would make it hard to simulate. It could probably work with a spec evo twist.
@@GoodrichthysEskdalensis I'm not sure if the ocean variants are carnivorous, but they share phylums with at least two deep ocean fungi: Ascomycota and I think Basidiomycota. But I brought up the ocean variants because it wasn't clear to me whether the Sapling Fungi would be limited to land or not. The video didn't have any examples of water based ones that I noticed.
Oh, they do have some pretty trippy tools for ensnaring prey. Dripping goopy tall fruiting bodies, deep cups that trap prey like pitcher plants. Some of them look really alien.
carnivorous fungi dont need their own thing imo - if fungi can be poisonous, any animal that tries to eat it will die right by it, feeding it
@@shinysands9193 That's totally different, though...
If it's eaten, it's eaten. That instance of it is dead or damaged. Not to mention, competitive fungi that feed on decomposing bodies might hustle into its' territory.
If it is carnivorous, it eats and grows stronger, so long as it isn't injured by its' prey.
@@Okamikurainya its simpler and generally gets the same effect though
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Thank you so much for adding mushrooms to the game! An amazing update! I really hope that fungi in sapling will receive much more specialized body parts, features, diversity, so that the experience of creating them will be very different from the creation of plants and animals! I really want to see a variety of fungi, and their interaction with other types of living organisms.
For example, animals can get sick after eating some types of fungi, it will be interesting because there are no diseases and bacteria/viruses in the game. Or that fungi can grow on dead meat or tree roots! I also wish fungi also had its own poison editor. It would be cool to see a mycelium editor (for example, it might look like a zone editing tool, the same as the soil editor) and be able to see which zones of the earth have which mycelium!
Something you might want to add is different animal genders fighting eachother to gain a mate!
I love this video
the host makes everything so enjoyable to watch
he really is...
a *fungi*
Protista and fuuuuuuuuungi. prototaxies and moolds. the creatures like a bactéria and acheeeeeaaaaaa
Metallic Achea?!
virae and bactéria , protista and achea the microooooo oooooooorganisms
Nah, fungi and $€X in sapling on the same update? Wessel is cooking
protista and fungi iiiiiiiinnn gameeeeee
You don't need to censor the word sex on TH-cam btw
Can't wait for the bacteria and viruses update next up
I love all the work you're putting into this game!
Can you please add rocks so epiphyte plants can colonize them? Moss, ferns, orchids, bromeliads, carnivorous plants, lichens etc all use them irl. Those kinds of organisms could act as pioneer species too so do better or rocks or poorer soils until detritus/nutrients build up and then stronger plants can take their place.
I'm so excited for mushrooms!! I know they're only simple in their representation here so far but they're the coolest form of life to me
With everything going on in the sim now, there isn’t mushroom left.
We need to make the fungi a fan favorite, I need dozens of details in my mushrooms. Spotted psychedelics.
I think one common property of fungus here is underused. The sounds they make when hooked into diodes, odd sine patterns and fun sounds. I think that would fit better (PLUS ITS NOISE MADE BY THE FUNGI'S ELECTRICAL SIGNALS; its really cool) referring to music
Hello I hope you read this comment but I suggest adding to the game the ability for animals to grow more limbs or lose limbs from mutations. It’s something that has bothered me for a long time and it’s that animals seem to change their limbs but never gain new ones or lose them. For example, when I started a world with simple animals and no limbs, the animals NEVER evolved limbs for as long as I ran the game. When I did this and gave them 2 limbs to start, they ALWAYS had only 2 limbs, no more no less. And the same with 4 limbs. The limbs can change between fins, legs, etc. but never do animals develop more than what they have. I don’t know if this was intended or a technical limitation but I was thinking that you should add the ability for them to gain/ lose limbs over time because it would make things much more interesting with some creatures ending up being 4 legged and others being bipedal, or maybe even many legged centipede like creature. Also I was thinking about how a lot of creatures don’t seem to have a balance to where their legs are vs their center of mass- which makes their body look pretty awkward. None of this is complaining of course I love this game and hope it grows further, but if I were to choose what gets added next this would be it. Thank you for reading, and keep up the good work.
I hope this gets expanded in the future with plant instincts. Mycorrhizal fungi would be important for that, spreading chemical signals beyond just the plant's radius. It could also allow for areas normally unable to be colonized by plants to be so by having a nutrient network, possibly giving a use for some plants to generate more energy than needed to reproduce normally.
This is really cool but there should be some huge optimization fixes too, I’d hate to see this fall into the Minecraft problem
Not sure where's best for suggestions based on gameplay, but after maybe 20 hours here's a couple:
Main QoL suggestions:
1. The game grinds to a halt about 50 millennia and beyond (which is a long time, but I was trying to slowly control evolution to get speciation across islands separated by strong currents, or temperature, or low winds etc., as well as trying to only mutate in branches). I'm guessing this is not easy to fix, so a middle ground could be the ability to select or favorite certain species, then to reset your map to year zero, and then be able to reintroduce those species.
2. I played the scenarios recently, it's actually quite nice being limited to only mutate along the branches. It could be a nice toggle or option or something to turn that on for sandbox, maybe only for mutation, so you can still create anything from scratch.
3. Being able to reintroduce a species via the mutation editor would be a nice option, so I don't have to drop in 50 of a species that I've made that is clearly not fit, and then hope I can mutate one after the "no-mutation" window ends. If I could just de-extinct by making edits would be nice. Alternatively; remove the time delay to be able to mutate a new species?
4. Mutation rates: I initially did this, and have seen other TH-camrs do this when first playing; including some warning about increasing the mutation rate could help. It seems like just throwing it to 25-50% is better for adaption, but 5-10 seems much better. Might maintain interest from some.
5. Potential suggestion: Part of the reason I spent so much time was that I was trying to figure out how to make a fire-resistant tree that could support nests, so that my starting island (which was almost constantly wrapped in firestorms), could hold animal eggs so they could survive the fire that way. After many hours in the editor, I figured it out, but the difficulty was in the balance of branches that could be placed, along with the number of leaves, and how that puts a cap on the maximum energy. When plants are in the top 2 sizes, it's very difficult to balance this. The main problem was understanding that the height of the tree was taking up all the energy balance, then secondary was figuring out how many leaves actually added energy before doing nothing. Perhaps something to visualize how far up a trunk is "high enough to avoid fire"?
Side note, it was actually very satisfying to get to grips with it after a lot of trial and error, so that's a point against it. I'm guessing people will become frustrated before this (and the scenario I was trying to make work is probably quite niche).
instead of "scale vertical" as a boolean, perhaps a "scale by" matrix with coefficients for each dimension. 0 is no scale, but it allows you do to half scaling as well
A thought: land created by volcanos should have a minimal, but not zero, nutrients. So hardy plants and fungi can settle there to start building complexity over time. I often like adding some random volcanos in the sea so I can generate fresh land when ecosystems balance out.
The fungi kingdom is fascinating and immensely diverse.
I hope, your sim will be able to reflect that diversity.
I made that suggestion long time ago so happy to see it
Also I would love to see one celled organisms like bacteria and viruses that could infect other organisms
check out "mushroom trees" from the devonian period
From what I know, shrooms are like the fruit of mycelium, which grows from spores and then creates more shrooms; in this case, it spreads underground, consuming decaying matter, and usually, mycelium is great for the soil and plants, an indicator of good health. If you ever feel like it, could you give this a thought?, you could add mycelium to the game with benefits to the ground where it spawns. It needs humidity and some other stuff, usually temperate temperatures, in my yard I don't get shrooms all year and even the ground has varying extensions of mycelium depending on when I dig.
Your game's super cool man, I'm always happy to watch new updates, so I hope this could be of use. Have a good one!
Dude I’m such a fan of your videos, your music, your talent and your knowledge. Ur devlogs always amaze me and inspire me so much 🔥🔥🔥🔥 this game will be such a banger🗿🔥👌🏻
I feel like you're really improving in the music department, that one at the end sound incredible!
Just a thought on the fungi network. Do with it whatever you want:
If you ever played city skylines/ planet zoo. when you want to see all pipelines, or bustracks it makes everything else it makes everything else white/grey and highlights the tracks with blue or red so you can see how the networks are running and interacting. Maybe something to look into for visualization of fungi networks? Hope its maybe something you could use or sparks an idea!❤🎉
i feel we may be heading down the route of adding LUCA to this. (The last universal common ancestor of every living thing on earth)
There are lots of interesting things one can do with fungi!
Maybe fungus that choose to make their own detritus by infecting other living beings with spores and slowly killing them, or altering their behaviour (a carnivore begins hunting more than it eats creating more detritus to give an example)
There should be sliders for hallucinations
Three different sliders for sight, touch, and hearing.
The higher the slider the more the creature has trouble identifying those senses ie: pain won’t be recognized, color detection might be shifted and sounds distorted
The mushrooms are just the fruits of the fungus, you should make it so that for some species the fungus itself is mycelium under the soil, which can be seen with a toggable button that shows if the tile has mycelium in it like how you have it show if theres nutrients in the soil. This allows for potential megaorganisms to form and adds variety. I would be very interested to seeing how multiple megacolonies of fungus interact with each other and how non colony forming fungus interact with them too
My very happy that fungi/mushrooms are in the game 🎉.
And I know that you just want to add animals that are very visual but some sort of insect type animals would be great, especially with the carnivores plants.
I think you should add the ability to add multiple fruiting bodies to a fungus, allowing you to make something like Leocarpus or Geosiphon. It'd also be cool to have the ability to make something similar to Prototaxites, a giant Silurian/Devonian fungus. It is commonly thought to have grown upright, but some researchers have found it to instead be a horizontal rhizoid (Prototaxites reinterpreted as mega-rhizomorphs, facilitating nutrient transport in early terrestrial ecosystems). I don't know which would work better but honestly it'd be cool to have both. There's also the genus Ileodictyon, which has a really cool basket shape.
You know one thing that might be interesting is that on Earth a decent amount of plants have symbiotic fungi in their roots, which I believe do sprout mushrooms. That might be an interesting feature to add in the future.
I’m excited for the next update, it’s looking really good! I would like to add my two cents for this specific part of the update that I think would be reasonable and fun to simulate. I do think that the basic fungi being a detritivore with a fruiting body is a fantastic start, however, with this being a speculative evolution game I feel like the organism type would be almost wasted if it was limited in body shape and role. Fungal forests would be a really cool concept and it is something that has happened historically (see prototaxites) It would also be nice to see fungi possibly take a more active role other than passive detritivore in attacking live plants, with certain species being able to attack woody stems and others being able to attack fleshy stems (although I’m not sure how you would be able to visualize that) or perhaps certain fungi being able to kill animals in order to create detritus for their offspring (best guess I can give to visualizing that would be a static hazard like your carnivorous plants) Honestly though, typing this out makes me realize that these last ideas would be pretty difficult to implement due to visualization issues but I really would like to see you consider the fungal forest bit. Maybe it would be an interesting alternative to a plant dominated landscape, and I’m sure the bioluminescence would be cool
Honestly love this game so much, in my humble opinion, the best evolution simulator on the market, and it’s not even done yet!
I rember asking for fungi a long time ago i am so happy it is being added to the game
I would like to see some kind of representation of the mighty hyphae, but that would end up effectively being its own entire system. Apparently, fungi can grow colonies the size of entire countries and shift nutrient around to wherever it needs trees to grow.
And also I wish there would be like a adaptation where there could be multiple mushrooms sticking out of the ground but they're all connected to each other same thing with plants these ideas I got inspired by Aspen trees and honey mushrooms
It'd be fun to create those gigantic ancient fungi in The Sapling.
We the people, do respectfully demand parasitic fungi. Thank you for your consideration.
This is so cool, every thing coming out of this update is fantastic!!! I cant wait to play around with all this
Idea: nests can be built of different size, bigger nests require more time and energy to create, but can fit several animals of the same specie
This man casually, dropping another legendary update like its nothing
Great video dude this game is coming together so well! I think you should continue to expand on the fungi editor, I love these things sm ! >.
It would be cool to have parts inspired by the massive fungi 'trees' which existed between the Silurian and Devonian periods.
If this man keeps working like this, he'll manage to recreate a 1:1 simulation of the Earth
Can you add digging claws (like moul's)? That way you can add the option to let fungi grow on tree roots. You cn also make it so when an animal die it could leave a skeleton fungi can grow next to. Or make it so if it died it will make other animals sick/make them avoid the area.
Sometimes it feels like you're the next step in our evolution.
Awesome thinking, awesome music, can't wait to have it !
You really are a fun guy
What about cordyceps ? No maybe it's too much for the moment 😅
i find mushrooms very scare yet a luring.
Maybes in the future you could add marine and cave fungi to the game that looks like a fuzzy hairy patches of mold similar to Penicillium verhagenii and it could be a autotrophic chemolithotroph that makes it own food from inorganic compounds in the rocky sea floor and cave walls like microbes do in real life, would provide organic nutrients for areas of the ocean and caves too deep sunlight and plants to be present. To tell the two apart, you could have the marine fungi be a greyish green and the cave fungi a reddish orange colour
can't wait for the "santient species" and "natural disasters" updates
The natural disaster update already happened with the food and fire update.
And sapient species is never happening
We are literally ONE step away from single and multicellular organisms. Absolutely great job man, the fact that this is a sole man's project is just INSANE to me.
I think brain/sapience thing update is more intriguing.Complex behaviours, individuals family trees,more convenient cladogram.I would like him to add this to the game in the future.
Of course, it will be difficult to make such update, which will only be possible after the project grows further
@@user-yo8kl9bg1j I also tought of that but he said he probably wouldnt add intelligence as even we humans still dont understand how it works. But well maybe if the community gives him enough support then maybe one day we'll get there
@@user-yo8kl9bg1j so dificult in fact it never happening
@@justmarcoriginal You can make a simple brain system like in the game The Bibites. It is not necessary to simulate intelligence.
Let’s say there are 20 qualities, depicted as circles, which can be connected to each other, like neurons. And this is how a grid of intelligence is obtained. This is already in instincts like “you see the light - go from there,” but I would like to be more sophisticated.
We also need a convenient (and not the same as now) cladogram, where you can look from the first ancestor to the last living descendant(Look at the cladogram in the game Species ALRE or The Bibites.)Also, in addition to intelligence in the form of neurons, you can add personality traits (aggressive, gluttonous, etc.) as well as skills (speed) that can be developed by an individual, and not the entire species. Well, I think Wessel will add a more plastic creature designer so that the bones are visible and you can make them upright.
@@user-yo8kl9bg1j Yeah I already tought about recommending this but never had the patience to do ACTUAL research
Something I think would be interesting to see explored is the impact of artificial things on an ecosystem both in the form of life on mega structures as well as the actions of intelligent beings on life. What I invision is an ability to introduce robots that you can order to do various things from small mining or agricultural activities to building a civilization based on what you tell them they can and can't do and where. There would be two types of robot/infrastructure, "clean" and "dirty", which is exactly what they sound like. "Clean" has little impact on the environment, "dirty" does. Natural habitat loss, pollution both artificial and biological, industrial actions both small and large as well as artificial environments could produce some truly strange ecosystems.
As well, many of said things would likely make naturally evolving civilizations a little easier should you choose to persue such things.
Not hapening
I just wanna say i love this project,
Your game is rly fun
Keep up the great work mate!!
actually, _those_ kind of mushrooms do give me an idea. you could make certain foods effect an animal's hormone levels, possibly to exploit it in some way
Oh, that's asymmetrical. That's asymmetrical of my comfort icon
I recall someone managed to use mushroom and some electrodes to make mushroom music, so I admit I half expected to hear that as mushroom editor music XD
Damn, he seems like a fun-guy (ba-dum-tsh)
I was hoping for the underground fungi, because it would be a good step for an update of the underground and subterranean organisms
I haven't even bought this game, I just think it's fun to see what you come up with.
Hell yea, hell yea!
Definitely going to buy this game now that it has fungi.
This is a pretty fun guy
Thank you for your work but can you make carnivores more survivalable and megafauna possible
please allow us to make non mushroom fungi. Also please add mycelium and changes to the mycelium roots that could be made. Mycelium roots could interact with plants and develop complex relationships with plants. Some fungi grow directly on plants. also please pleas represent slime molds, water molds, and lichens in some way.
4:39
You Sure that's not a dangerous mushroom?
I mean even if the mushroom safe,the spores might cause a problem in system if inhaled accidentally right ?
Please someone inform me I have 0 ideas on Mushroom
fungus amongus sus
I have a few suggestions regarding the game. It seems like bringing in more people for development could really help accelerate progress. Also, enhancing the animations would significantly improve the overall experience. If you're working on this alone, it might take years to achieve the desired quality. A collaborative team could make a big difference!
He isnt planing on hiring anyone else, this is a solo project
I was sorta expecting you to mention those songs made by hooking mushrooms to synthesizers that translate their signals into notes for the music, but I guess they might sound a bit to techno to fit in the rest of the soundtrack
I wonder how plants and fungi would compete, if they do. Hoping this is great, Sapling!!!
It would be cool to see them coexist like they do in real life. Maybe even function in symbiosis.
@@giubbottomang.4910 oh yeah, forgot. Symbiosis is also awesome!!!
FUNGLER!!! you should add fungus in like a tower shape or something idk im dumb
I saw on antscanada a fungi that is gardened by termites and fruits after thunderstorms.