Westboro Baptist Church: Homosexuals Should Be Put to Death
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- --Jonathan Phelps, member of the God Hates Fags Westboro Baptist Church, son of Fred Phelps, and brother of Shirley Phelps-Roper, joins David to discuss whether the church supports Mitt Romney or Barack Obama in the 2012 Presidential election, admits that full marriage quality is coming soon to the United States, and much more.
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I’m a gay man and it really hurts me that there’s people in the world who advocate the death penalty for us homosexuals. We’re humans just like any other straight person. I love my boyfriend more than life itself and we’d do anything for each other. We do our best to counter hatred, homophobia, and we spread love and compassion as much as possible. WBC is pathetic.
See these sort of nuts give us Christians a bad name.
+Lisa cheney
Lisa Christians have a great name. These people are the minority, and everyone knows it. You Christians have made it clear enough, and although I do not believe in God, I think you people should be proud of your faith and your good values :) Cheers
+Lisa cheney Well it's in the Bible so maybe it's you giving Christians a bad name. Shine on you weekend warrior
Jim Beam and you must be the new Einstein to this civilisation
London Belly dancer Hire samba dancer Wedding Entertainment Sandrine No. It doesn't take a genius to see the absurdity in worshipping an iron age prophet who supposedly broke the laws of physics in a time well before video or audio evidence was available. Christianity, like all religions is pure idiocy.
Jim;
We live in an age where you cannot trust video; how is that for irony.
"Christianity is nothing more than a big, well organized cult", no.
Christ's Church is a Big, organized cult established by God before He Rose from the dead and Ascended into Heaven.
This guy does not know his bible, Jesus came to set people free from sin not to kill people in their sin. God the father loved humanity so much he sent his only son to die that non would perish but have everlasting life. What's the catch, the catch is you have to believe in Jesus, I mean believe as in follow Jesus, not just have knowledge that he existed.
One million thumbs up. Thou shall not kill
I like this comment compared to others I've seen. I'd also like to note that Jesus rebuked quite a bit of the Old Testament teachings because they were made for the time they were in, and the time when Jesus was in was not a time for a lot of the Old Testament teachings. I've been reading some of the comments, replies, and conversations on this video and it disappoints me how so many people don't understand this and cause so many contentions. Thanks for having this cool comment.
It is so funny to listen to the religious guy try to sound intelligent. No matter the amount of grandiose words used, people like him expose themselves as having a lack of knowledge and logic.
Extreme Christianity is exactly the same as extreme Islam. Hatred, bigotry, lack of equal rights for women, and taking literal scripture from the Bible/Koran but not all of it.
sarazorz Old video, but now we have Pastors, Steve Anderson and Roger Jimenez, among others, to spread the hate and intolerance. "Christian Taliban"!
No its not.Do we bomb towers?We don't hold back woman's rights eithier abortion is murder.Gay Christians aren't christian.What if I said you were racist because you are white
Refusetolose23 I would strongly disagree! Listen to Pastors, I mentioned and you would see they mirror the Taliban. You may be more moderate and that is awesome, but there are many extremists, in the religion of Christianity.
Refusetolose23 You don't bomb towers, only have dropped nuclear bombs and killed thousands of innocent people. Have invaded countries, stole lands and annihilated entire indigenous people from those lands. Need I say more?
sarazorz Some of this stuff Is in the bible. #freethinker. This is a hate group.
"The end is coming." Oh please, you lot have been saying that for centuries and the world is still spinning on. Why are these people never called to task when they're wrong?
2nd peter 3:4..that's for you to read you sodomite Edomite
@@yyygggggg10 Already read it. The bible’s a book, that’s it. It’s not even a well written book either - it’s full of inconsistencies, contradictions, the main character is a genocidal maniac and it has plot holes you could drive a bus through.
Also for the record I’m straight
Gay marriage is vile please repent God will burn u God no one to burn get off the sin list of the flesh even if people commit any works of the flesh they will end up in hell fornicators adulterers even breaking sabbath
God isn't evil people rebel against God and God lashes out in righteous anger repent and be born again time is running out get right with Jesus make the whole tree good or make it bad
@@yousuckballsify Of course he could have just made us incapable of sin to begin with. But nah, that would’ve made way too much sense
im bi, but no, I will not be put to death, because I will live proudly saying that I am bi.. so I don't care what anyone says, im bi and proud
Aww, xLps Katx this video is bullshit. I believe that god loves us all the same :) but I'm not saying you have to believe in god tho :)
Haha im christian its fine :) i do belive in god :D
Yh true :)
How dare you be a lesbianing in God's nation the whole raisin why there are hurricanes and tornados is because of you people GOSH.
Wait does that mean that there are gays on Jupiter? Aaayyy
Lps Bubbles God doesn't hate sinners he hates the sin. These people are so far gone its unbelievable.
"Last time I checked, Shirl's not a nut..." Oh she's a nut!
she's a demented bitch.
+Paul Whitlock And you are a speciesist that takes your hatred of *ONE HUMAN* out on *ALL* female canines in heat.
+SuperThunderBolt2™ WTF are u talking about I don't feel any hate females, make sence will u.
Saturnus SuperThunderBolt2 lmfao what was that sentence you tried to make there
David, do you love destroying these bigots with logic as much as I enjoy watching you do it?
In the Methodist religion, Gay people are loved and accepted
+Arik Hostetler In Christianity, it's a sin. nothing you can do to change that.
hell, majority of religions in the world consider it a sin.
quite frankly, you are going to have to tolerate it. but you don't have to tolerate the hate-speech(saying it's a sin is not hate-speech unless in a specific manner)
Andrew Kibler That's what I said. Gay people should be loved and accepted, and people shouldn't talk so hateful about them. The actual part of being gay shouldn't be tolerated
@@arikhostetler3013 Don't be so naive. Homosexuals want you to accept their filthy sinning, and have pressured governments to pass laws to make anyone a criminal who preaches against them.
How does David stay sane during these interviews with these nutcases?
god loves everybody but hates sin.
“One must not let oneself be misled: they say 'Judge not!' but they send to Hell everything that stands in their way.”
Friedrich Nietzsche, The Anti-Christ
"In the past when I have talked with Shirley and other anti-gay nuts." I applaud you David Pakman.
Man, he accurately predicted the future.
You don't have to be gay to know that this is wrong.
Apparently some cases you do.
You are so very correct!
What's so weird about him, is that part of him is obviously brilliant. He is able to make logical conclusions, but then that brainwashing kicks in and he just looses it. I think his father was probably a very smart man, but psychologically imbalanced. The intelligence and craziness was obviously passed on.
Mister Happy I said part of him was brilliant. The majority was just brainwashed. Brainwashing is pretty powerful, and easily affects smart people. Being brainwashed doesn't mean you're stupid, it means you're brainwashed.
Mister Happy You think that no intelligent people can be brainwashed? What about almost all of the major philosophers of ancient times. These were the brightest men of their age, and almost all of them were religious, often incredibly religious. Also, there are many very intelligent atheists today who were once fanatical believers. What changes people is their experiences. If you live an isolated life with little contact to the world, your intelligence is irrelevant, it's incredibly easy to brainwash someone, especially from a young age. Most people don't just decided to be brainwashed, they are forced into it. If from a young age you are told of hell and how terrible it is, that is a very convincing argument for doing exactly what that person says. When you are younger the part of your brain that controls reasoning is not developed, so no matter your intelligence you can believe the crazy crap. If that belief is not challenged your brain will have no reason to rethink its conclusion.
Anyway what I really meant by that comment was that Fred Phelps was once a civil rights lawyer, who took on difficult cases at a time when nobody wanted them. He was able to see the injustice in the system, but he couldn't see it in his own belief. You may think that makes him an idiot, but many intelligent people fall into this trap. He did seem to have some kind of psychological issues. This likely manifest in his deep belief, and once he believed it, it was nearly impossible to go back.
In the end it doesn't matter, because he's dead, and we will likely never know what he really thought.
Mister Happy I really wasn't trying to make excuses for him. I don't know where you got that idea. He just seemed liked a fundamentally flawed, but intellectual person.
I just don't think you appreciate how difficult it can be for some people to come to terms with the truth. He probably new the truth, but that's not the same as accepting it. Sure, it's irrational, but humans are hardly fundamentally rational beings.
My original point was simply that I thought it was a shame he went a bit crazy, because he could have been a useful member of society if he hadn't gone a bit mad. Generally I'm a complete cynic, but I try not to write people off completely. He may have become a hateful bastard, but he wasn't always like that. He was once a civil rights lawyer in Kansas (in 1960), which could not have been easy. Somewhere along the line something happened and he became a lunatic. Supposedly at the end of his life he regretted what he done to such an extent he just lost the will to live. If he were a complete idiot he wouldn't have even considered the possibility that he was wrong. In the end he told his family the truth and it cost him his life. That's a tricky thing to come to terms with. Yeah, it was all his fault that he ended up in that situation, but he couldn't change the past.
I'm no fan of the man, but in the end we're all only human, and humans are stupid creatures who make mistakes.
Mister Happy I don't personally excuse him for what he's done, and I don't think anyone should, but I'll defend just about anyone, because that's my job. It's the habit of a lifetime to try and understand why people think the way they do, and how that affects their actions. I just like to appreciate the full story, and I don't believe the full story in this case is simply because he's an idiot. He was obviously a very insidious person, and even (almost definitely) mentally disturbed, but I'm curious about the why. You obviously don't care why, and that is perfectly fine. It's not your job (or even mine in this situation) to figure out why he turned out the way he did. I'm just curious. I'm also curious why you're so equally determined to conclude that the simple answer is that he was an idiot. He passed the bar (which doesn't require genius, but you can't be a complete idiot), and practiced as lawyer, so that answer doesn't really fit. He did appear to be quite the narcissist too, but again that doesn't really complete the picture.
In the end it's completely irrelevant, because he is dead, and this isn't my problem. I just think it's interesting to consider what makes people turn out the way he did. You don't have to waste a single second thinking about it. I find it interesting, while you clearly do not.
He was right about the Supreme Court mandating marriage equality happening soon
So many people rag on David for having done these interviews, but I love them. All he's doing is exposing their stupidity- which is amusing because all he's really doing is asking questions so they're doing the work for him. He's barely taking them seriously.
WTF... How can you have a constitution that will enforce "non-discriminatory death penalty for sexual preference"?
you can't really, you can have one for just banning sexual preference.
TheJthedog How exactly can you do that?
Aaron Parker government reasons
TheJthedog I didn't ask why, I asked how. And even if I did ask why, how would "government reasons" be an answer?
Aaron Parker i don't have an answer
I wonder if this guy realizes that he was also born into a false religious system?
I wonder how he makes it ok to ignore a commandment of God, and honor sunday over the true Sabbath??
This guy does not seems like he really believes what he is saying.
He doesn't. His main force is about gays and using that single little quote from that first book of laws written by human beings about "man should not lay with man". which the WBC and everyone takes the wrong way. I understand why that quote was put in there. It talks about two men or two women together can not reproduce a blood line. In order to reproduce it has to be a man & woman together. How hard is that for the WBC and other Christian people to understand that quote?! It's all about reproducing(science) a blood line. The book does not say God hates gays!! it says pretty much says if you want children/ family you have to partner up with the opposite sex and if you don't want children/ family then stay single or partner up with the same sex.
For all the flak and condemnation the WBC deserves, there's one thing I respect about them: They're not passive aggressive. Instead of being like other Christians, they don't claim that "they hate the sin, not the sinner", or that they will "pray for you". They just hate and are forthcoming about their hateful beliefs.
Love him or hate him, he was absolutely right about same sex marriage. It was soon after this, via the SCOTUS.
THE WBC HAS HAD IT'S 15 MINUTES OF FAME .
zaki zadin Best thing you've said.
zaki zadin True, but I don't think being gay is a sin.
zaki zadin Dreadful laws.
People cannot help being gay and should not be punished for it.
I mean the bible was written 2000 yrs ago - what on earth did they know about the subject then? It was only in the 1960/70's that people learnt about it here in the UK.
zaki zadin Exactly, IF it is God's word....as it was written by MAN . I like to believe in God and Jesus . They used to burn witches now mediums are respected people . I struggled with my sexuality in my teens like a lot do ,I think he'd be proud of me coming out the other side of it and being happy.
zaki zadin lol, oh I'm very sure of my sexuality like most are. My Dad was amazing and it was hard for me to tell him.
Lmao. Hes a lifetime democrat. yea sounds about right.
What original text? What you did is textbook in how to tell someone is just parroting what someone told them. Some manuscripts we have, some we don't, and then we have varying manuscripts of the same passage. So when you say something's "not found in the original text," YOU must be specific. Are you referring to the Received, Alexandrian, or some other text?
the righteous don't put each other to death!
Fred Phelps is dead! LOL!
good
Daniel Diamond yep
If there is such a thing as hell, that old bastard will be burning in it!
Robbie Aikman that old bastard is hell in one person
"anti-gay nuts" XD Pakman strikes
Well, he is much more civilized than Shirley Phelps-Roper, you have to give him that much...
Could you please explain precisely which parts of the "Old Law" we are exempt from.
This dude looks really close to tobuscus
God and hate do not go together. God is love. God says do not judge others or you shall be judged. God says do not rejoice when bad things happen to people as well. This is a cult plain and simple.
Dollar Junior "Jacob I have loved, Esau I have hated." - God (I guess reading isn't your thing.)
God is love. God is life. :)
God doesnt exsist
FalloutPro21 How can I be certain that YOU exist?
***** Well,im a person...and there is NO prove that god exsists
It seems like whenever members of this church, whenever asked a simple question, answer it by giving a long and complicated answer that just creates more questions
In Australia, 2017 marriage equality was passed. We shall see how America fairs
Repent Jesus Christ is coming back get ready say this little prayer Jesus Christ I accept you as my Lord and Savior Please forgive me for all my sins make me a new person today and when my time is come I want to be in heaven with you or if you come anytime soon I'm here take me with you
The only time I have a problem with the gays,,is when they have their parades trying to push their prevision in my face,remember when the said,it's nobody's business what goes own in their bedroom,maybe that's what they should do take that shit out of the street,and go to their bedroom's.
men should fear God only not no man
nahhhh I'm not bowing to anyone
We've been doing that for years. The founders were deists who believed laws should be based on human rights, not holy texts... so where exactly is the part where the US government follows the Bible?
I actually grew up in a church like this. The feeling of being apart of a hateful organization like that, does more to a kids mind then you can imagine. I was looking up at people, knowing they would look down on my walk for the smallest stumble... It made me feel insignificant but I was able to get free and reach positivity... If you want to hear my side about what I went through listen to my song "Insomnia" on my channel and Gods sake... STAY POSITIVE 'MERICA!
They're so sick in the head.
The disturbing thing is that Christian condemnation gives licence to the radical elements of our community to commit violence and assaults. Otherwise they could be left to disappear in their own insignificance!
frank6th Correction:The disturbing thing is that RELIGIOUS condemnation gives license to the radical elements of our community to commit violence and assaults.
I hate how they put their kids right in the middle of their protests. Anyone who knowingly puts their kids in a dangerous situation and fails to adequately protect them should have their kids taken away. Why hasn't the dept of children and families in Topeka stepped in and removed their kids? Are they that scared of the WBC?
can we say "secularism?"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I grew up with religion, but the more I learned and the more I understood the more I became Agnostic and, finally, Atheist. Still, I wonder if these people realize... that if there IS a Biblical God, they are in for one HELL of a surprise come
the afterparty.
I mean, if one is Christian one must acknowledge that, despite the Trinity, Jesus Christ is their saviour. This would mean that it is the teachings of Christ which must be followed as Jesus said “The Way to the Father is through me.” He did not say ‘Follow the Scripture to the letter’ nor did he ever make demands that anyone be forced to follow Him. In fact, he warned those who came to Him by saying if they chose to follow Him, He would hold them to the same standards He held Himself. What standards? Well, to answer that we need to do as He did and put aside the Bible and look at the Parables.
Now, looking at these we instantly see a trend. Love over contempt. Forgiveness over condemnation. Peace over hatred. In
NONE of the parables does Jesus ever call for the hatred or violence towards anyone. In fact, each is an example of showing kindness and tolerance, forcing oneself to challenge themselves in a moment where they could easily pass judgement or cast prejudice upon another.
Consider also Matthew 21:12, where Jesus saw the corruption and greed in the Temple. A House of God being used for a brothel of greed and wealth (much like most churches today). What was His reaction? To smile, open his arms wide and say “This is great!” No. He flew into a rage, turning over tables and driving everyone out of the temple. “My house will be called a house of prayer” He said, “but you have made it a den of robbers!”
With this in mind, any “Neo-Christian” who chooses to ignore the teachings of Christ in favour of simple hatred, violence or bigotry is merely being self-indulgent and violent for violence’s sake. Therefore, if they do honestly believe in a Biblical God and are acting this way because they feel it is His will, they are in for a rude awakening come the hereafter.
You can follow the Bible or you can follow the teachings of the Christ, but you can’t do both.
Then what are they doing quoting Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
I do have to say one thing about this, as much as the content of course made me upset, it was nice to see a good interview with someone from the WBBC. This was done very professionally and very calmly unlike anything else I've seen.
This is what happens when kids have the snot kicked out of them when they are growing up. Abuse frequently turns people into abusers.
I want to know what he calls what he's wearing under his shirt. "Manziere" or "Bro"?
Wait, so your argument against fundamentalists is in Leviticus 18? That verse talks mainly about incest and respecting your families relationships. In essence, not going around having sexual relations with someone who is A) to close to you in the family tree, or B) already married to someone close to you in your family tree.... I don't see how that is wrong? We recognize this even in secular culture today.
I've got half way through (I need a rest now!) but I'll watch the rest; David asks some pretty funny questions with a completely straight face, well worth the struggle!
I have never been embarrassed to be a Christian before now. Its sad that this mentality still exists!
It took me a while to realize he wasn't an EX member, so I was confused at his answers. Now his insanity makes sense, I'm just surprised you got an interview!
WBC is just one of those things you have to check in on every now and again. "Yup. Still batshit insane."
I don't wanna live on this planet anymore.
Everyone else was born into the wrong religion (as quoted "99.9%" by Jonathan Phelps), couldn't every religion just state this? So which religion is the "right one," if people are even still asking that question, can never be answered. This type of "reasoning" (which is not reasoning) is baffling and makes it important that there is a separation between church and state.
I'm just trying to understand why you latch onto only what draws the most attention to your plight. For example, in a few of your videos the statement in regards to picketing certain individuals funerals was that, "they are not important enough." Meaning, if the spot light doesn't shine you don't feel it's worthy? I can understand getting the most bang for the buck but to "save" the ones in need imo wouldn't need a label or rank of public interest.
I've been to all of the websites.
Your satire really puts this issue in perspective. Thanks for your support.
the bible was not originally written in english it was written in hebrew how much do you think was lost in translation
LOL, you had this guy panicked. he was just dancing around your questions. That was some good stuff dude, really good questions!
It sickens me that people use the Bible or any religious thing as a reason to hate people for any reason.
note to self: pay for Varg Vickeners to take trip to Westboro Baptist church. See which neo-nazic groups walks out alive
Parents teaching children that God loves hatred. What is that supposed to teach them?
I said that because, in the Exorcist, that priest talks one-on-one to an extremely hideous and disturbing monster...and in this interview, David talks one-on-one to an extremely hideous and disturbing monster.
To me, the two situations resembled each other quite well.
He would probably tell us to sweep around our own front door first then our neighbors. As a straight guy, I have my struggles disliking people for this and that, so I'm definitely not perfect. But in the long run, life is too complex as it is to hate someone else's life for what it is.
not sure if you are directing this at me, or maybe you just mis-posted... I never compared "intrinsically evil" things to "parking too far from the curb"..... Not sure where you got that idea from..
Those poor children. Where’s child services, when they are needed?
People don't think of this so do you want to die because you love someone?
"The bible seems partial to stoning in many cases."
Great quote David!
The government needs to get out of the bed of consenting adults and get us out of the damn wars that the neocons dreamed up in the 90's!
So how does equality and science = confusion, hopelessness, and disoreder?
ya know, if any of the kids who left westboro decided to sue their parents for psychological abuse and subsequent mental illness and instability, the westboro phelpses would lose that case in a heartbeat. i say, bring on the legislation! but surprisingly and ironically, the kids who left westboro seem to be more filled with forgiveness and mercy than their religious counterparts.
In my opinion, politicians don't really care about the issue so much as the debate. Gay marriage is just another battleground for political parties, republicans and democrats each take a side and fight it out, the party that wins gains more support from the people and then more votes.
How can people be so passionate about the opinions and rules of something that they cannot even readily prove the existence of... baffling.
The problem is that spiders will not kill each other for these differences, or under the false pretense that one species is more intelligent, stronger, 'better', more morally correct, or more superior than the other. And often times these spiders are not compatible for mating, unlike humans. If interbreeding between tigers and lions causes bastardizations of the species, but a black man and a white woman can create a perfectly healthy and intelligent child, what does that tell you?
The difference is once we got all the evidence we stopped being delusional. We didn't keep believing something with proof saying otherwise
Forgiveness is not contained in the written word. It is your own concept entirely, not theirs.
WBC preaches hatred. If you respond with hated then their essential message has found a place in your mind. Rather than meet hate with hatred, use them to self-reflect. Do they evoke anger and hatred? The loving response is to look past the mistake of hatred and attack to the innocence that has been buried. This is called forgiveness, and it is the loving response that frees you from your own hatred and attack.
Would Jesus say "let im choose" or would Jesus take the fall for him?
I think there is a limit to letting people like this have a chance to sprew their hate and insanity. Let us not interview them anymore. It is a freak show and makes this radical group stronger.
Am I the only one who thinks that its incredibly obvious Fred Phelps had homosexuals thoughts growing up and he didn’t know how to handle it so he lashes out at the world??...You just aren't That obsessed with homosexuals for no reason
If they can't say it their Bible can't endorse it either.
It's 2013, things have changed and I find every day that more and more people are becoming less religious, less Godly! Is this a positive or negative thing? For me, it's a positive thing b/c I find the Bible complicates things, such is the case of the WestBoro Church. On the other hand, I welcome FAITH for some b/c it gives them purpose. Anything that motivates you without harming another soul, GO FOR IT.
I don't know what bible they are reading. My bible preaches love. "If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world." John 12:47
"Why do so many kids leave Westboro? We've got Mark Phelps,Katherine Phelps,Stinky Phelps,Phineas Phelps,Wilma "Sparky" Ray Phelps,Big Bob Phelps,Tony the Enforcer Phelps,Little Flipper Phelps,the Maid Hired Help Phelps,Shorty Phelps,Mandingo Phelps,The Flying Phelps Brothers,Butter Ball Phelps,Grandpa Otis T Phelps,Peetie Wheatstraw Phelps,Gatemouth Phelps,Barney Rubble Phelps,Inter State Brick face Phelps, Little Jimmy "Noodles" Phelps and Freaky Phelps who was Charles Manson's golf caddy.
They also preach troll science as well, every tuesday.
what about one of the founders son's who left the church and is now a atheist because of what his dad did to him
It makes me very sad when someone can be so hateful towards another just
because they love in a different way. Nowhere in the ten commandments
does it say though shalt not love unconditionally. It does say thou
shalt not kill, so why would you as a Christian condone murder? Why does he not take all the energy he is wasting on hating those who are just living their lives the way they want to and rather use it for something good?
What about stoning children not listening to their parents? Or is that not important cuz it's in the Old Testament
I guess so.I have enjoyed having civilized debate with you and I do wish you all the best.
David is extremely brave to host an interview like this. He reminds me of that priest in The Exorcist.
Are you sure they get the same treatment as traditional churches? If so I'm gonna go cry.
I watched this yesterday on the live show but I came back to like the video because it is so damn good.
I hate everything these people stand for! That being said, they are not dumb and can hold their own in every debate. They are all trained lawyers.
funny that he said that the supreme court will mandate it... and here we are 3 years later and the supreme court is going to mandate it. Interesting.
how long will they beat on this topic? the church will never change
If they keep this up they are going to teach little kids horrible stuff about this. My little brother came home from bible study and want to know what he tolled us. He said that someone at church said that gays do not go to heaven. When I heard this I was like WTF who in the hell would tell little kids this.
I also hear its not considered murder if you kill them in the name of the Lord.
Jesus must be rolling his eyes! This guy is hilarious!
These people are victims of the scam that is religion; Their hate is fueled with greed and fear