I don't see what everybody's so worried about. The mortar was definitely too damp but I think it'll be just fine, it wasn't that bad. The pre-plan was definitely better than the top but I personally think it'll be fine if someone doing wet beds for 17 years. Secondly, all the weep holes being siliconed I never even saw on the video. I saw some silicone and looked like around the top part of the drain after it was bolted to the bottom but that shouldn't matter. The weep holes are further in so as long as he didn't literally silicone those specifically I don't see what the comments are all about. I thought he actually did a great job especially with the framing and the pouring of the pan with the folded edges. I do that myself but I'm not using a Schluter pan so there's no seams. That's great, framing was great, he used chicken wire to reinforce the pre-plan, I thought all in all it was nice install. Maybe a quart less water next time in the mud and he's good to go
As noted in many of the other comments, me thinks that you need to start over and do it right. Either that or hire a professional. But I do applaud you for trying to do it yourself!
If anyone is watching this as a tutorial, please do not use this as your tutorial this will cause you more work in the long run. Mike, please reupload when this is installed properly
As a Tile Contractor this is tragic not going to lie. The silicone under the liner is correct but the silicone on top defeats the purpose of the rocks being for drainage. You covered the weep holes making your preslope useless. The Deck mud was to wet even for the pre slope and I’m not even going to mention the final slope. All in all we all start somewhere and in your case you’re better off spending $400 on a schluter pan than spending $250 to do it this way. Best of luck.
@@tyrelirwin The weep holes being siliconed will result in excess water being absorbed by the deck mud every time they use the shower. Making it smell like mold and eventually leaking due to standing water being present. The deck mud being to wet makes it less strong and it will eventually crack and crack grout lines on the tile floor and walls from movement.
@@StarrTileit was removed shortly after the most voted for president only had 1 video on YT with more likes than dislikes. It was when he got locked out of the W.H.
I’ll give you the comment to help your algorithm. I highly suggest watching some videos by the tile coach. Then rip this out and do it right there is going to be a myriad of issues with this down the line.
Don't want to rag on you Mike, as most of your other work is fantastic, but this shower is likely to have problems down the road. As another comment said, blocking the weep holes with silicon is a big no-no in this kind of system, and those funky corners in the liner may give water a way to wick into the wood curb and rot it out. There are plenty or great tile and construction professionals here on TH-cam with excellent content on how to do one of these the right way- and it ain't easy even though they make it look that way. Plenty of other waterproofing systems for you to consider, so I'll agree with the other commenters who advise you rip this one out and re-do it after you do some research and consider what other options might be better. You'll get another video out of it and us DIYers can get the benefit of your mistakes. We all make them!
*I don't know who this guy is or why he has nearly 2 million subs, but building a shower pan in 2024 is pretty easy, yet he made it hard...including doing a pre-slope which is 100% unnecessary because we waterproof the whole shower. I'm not sure what he is good at or why he has so many subscribers, but he shouldn't be doing handyman work on things that need BETTER BUILD*
Wow the level of negativity in the comments had me speechless for a bit. Look I get that maybe the build was not perfect and that I think for the base is worth contracting for but I truly appreciated seeing a view of “shower making”. I will also say that I have seen worse builds online.
Could have done a tiny slope into the shower on your shower curb for that extra A+ credit. Could achieve it with some 1/16” tile spacers on the outside edge of one of the gaps in the 2x4s.
I see what's happening here. Brilliant. Is this a fake shower, shot from the hip, to generate comments on the video? genius. If not, you have tried more than I have on doing a shower pan. Probably will have to hire a pro
Looks good Mike. I'm nearing the finish of a bathroom remodel and so glad to have all the shower stuff done. I'm sure you probably said it in a previous video, but will this house become a rental/income property for you?
Why is this video still up it has so many problems , he should have just used schlutter or bought a prefab pan liner, he completely wasted his time money and effort, unless he was merely practicing i guess, if your learning this for the first few times. Definately. Dont Do What He did, erase it from your mind and continue your research Oatey has videos on how to intall a liner properly and even home depot has videos showing proper inatillation but if you look hard youll find some really great videos of long time installers with some thorough explanations and some greatly helpful amd inovative tricks and tips to make it easier to do without paying a professional, but my advice is to hite someone that gurantees thier showers wont leak like me, that way you know if there willing to fix their own work for free then they surely know what there doing, . One time i pulled up a shower pan like that and they literally had a bunch of shims under the drain like he did but between the liner and they pushed the membrane upwards and all the water was standing all along the outside of the drain all the way to the walls, literally over an inch of eater across the entite floor that was unable to get to the weepholes !
You did not property put nail guards for all the electrical wiring in the walls. You don’t put mortar against any wood surface. The drain isn’t correct either. You didn’t the water lines either.
Edit: he did have mortar against wood around the edges, but I can't be for certain how big of an issue that is. 1. He didn't put mortar against any wood surfaces, he used it above the wire mesh that was on top of the tarp paper and then over top of the membrane. 2. The drain is sloped as it should be for that size of shower and installed correctly. 3. The water lines aren't going to move so he didn't need to mess with those at all. Even if he did he still has access behind the blocking he added to make any adjustments. 4. Also there wouldn't have been any need to add nail guards below the mortar line but above there should be but it's not too late for that.
Come on dude. You know this is half assed and not the proper way to do this. Buy yourself a shower pan and some schluter water proofing. And before anyone responds saying this is how they used to do it. Yes. This is how preofessionals used to do it, with years of experience. Even then a lot of them leaked.
Most steps were done incorrectly. The biggest issues were siliconing the weep holes on the drain. This is a "water in water out" system. Water that makes its way under the tile is supposed to drain under the mud pan, run down the pan liner and into those weep holes, then onward into the drain. With the weep holes blocked, you're just going to have stagnant water sitting under the tiles. It will discolor the grout and possibly tile, and cause major mold issues. Also, his "dry pack /deck mud" was wayyyy too wet. It's supposed to look like damp sand, not play-dough. It really does not need to be pretty as it's only taking on compresional force, but with that much extra water, it probably shrank like crazy, and it's probably going to crack and delaminate as too much water can was out the Portland cement in the mix (it's ~ a 5:1 sand / cement mix, so you really only want enough water just to activate the cement). I'm all for learning by trial and error, but the fact that this is a house flip irritates the hell out of me. The updated shower will surely be a selling point while the unknowing people who buy the house are going to be paying a good $10-$15k minimum to get it fixed correctly within a year or two. If this was a video of him vlogging his own house project and looking for feedback, I would not support any negativity, but hacks like this perpetuate shit workmanship (the dude has no clue what he's doing while confidentially misguiding viewers) and also might as well be robbing the new homeowners while also telling them to go fuck themselves. @@jbichl
Can you tell me where he siliconed the weep holes? I didn’t see that part. If the mortar mix was too wet and it had more cure time would it work? If he followed the directions on the bag and added the amount of water the manufacturer says to how can that be bad?
I too did not see where he's siliconed. It looked like he had a little silicone underneath the upper part of the drain where was bolted to the bottom part. A little silicone around the outside of that shouldn't be a big deal though the weep holes are further towards the inside of the drain so I don't see what everybody's talking about. I thought he did a pretty good job actually besides the mortar being a little too damp
We're going in-depth with this shower series and breaking it into 3 digestible chunks. Stay tuned, I've got more coming!!! Also if you've got any helpful tips that I might have missed, leave them in the comments for future viewers!! Thanks of watching :)
Dude I love your enthusiasm but you should consult a professional or maybe watch some videos. Again I love the enthusiasm but I'm sorry this is so unprofessional I would lose my contactor license if I did any of this. I would not recommend doing anything like this.
This is a terrible job... If I were you, I'd tear it out and start over. This whole thing was a cheap way of making the floor for a shower and you will end up having to redo it in a couple of years because it will fail.
Why is this video still up it has so many problems , he should have just used schlutter or bought a prefab pan liner, he completely wasted his time money and effort, unless he was merely practicing i guess, if your learning this for the first few times. Definately. Dont Do What He did, erase it from your mind and continue your research Oatey has videos on how to intall a liner properly and even home depot has videos showing proper inatillation but if you look hard youll find some really great videos of long time installers with some thorough explanations and some greatly helpful amd inovative tricks and tips to make it easier to do without paying a professional, but my advice is to hite someone that gurantees thier showers wont leak like me, that way you know if there willing to fix their own work for free then they surely know what there doing, . One time i pulled up a shower pan like that and they literally had a bunch of shims under the drain like he did but between the liner and they pushed the membrane upwards and all the water was standing all along the outside of the drain all the way to the walls, literally over an inch of eater across the entite floor that was unable to get to the weepholes !
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I don't see what everybody's so worried about. The mortar was definitely too damp but I think it'll be just fine, it wasn't that bad. The pre-plan was definitely better than the top but I personally think it'll be fine if someone doing wet beds for 17 years. Secondly, all the weep holes being siliconed I never even saw on the video. I saw some silicone and looked like around the top part of the drain after it was bolted to the bottom but that shouldn't matter. The weep holes are further in so as long as he didn't literally silicone those specifically I don't see what the comments are all about. I thought he actually did a great job especially with the framing and the pouring of the pan with the folded edges. I do that myself but I'm not using a Schluter pan so there's no seams. That's great, framing was great, he used chicken wire to reinforce the pre-plan, I thought all in all it was nice install. Maybe a quart less water next time in the mud and he's good to go
As noted in many of the other comments, me thinks that you need to start over and do it right. Either that or hire a professional. But I do applaud you for trying to do it yourself!
If anyone is watching this as a tutorial, please do not use this as your tutorial this will cause you more work in the long run. Mike, please reupload when this is installed properly
As a Tile Contractor this is tragic not going to lie. The silicone under the liner is correct but the silicone on top defeats the purpose of the rocks being for drainage. You covered the weep holes making your preslope useless. The Deck mud was to wet even for the pre slope and I’m not even going to mention the final slope. All in all we all start somewhere and in your case you’re better off spending $400 on a schluter pan than spending $250 to do it this way. Best of luck.
you gave a lot of examples of what is wrong, but not why it is wrong. what will the net result be?
@@tyrelirwin The weep holes being siliconed will result in excess water being absorbed by the deck mud every time they use the shower. Making it smell like mold and eventually leaking due to standing water being present. The deck mud being to wet makes it less strong and it will eventually crack and crack grout lines on the tile floor and walls from movement.
Or have a real professional come and hot mop shower pan
This is why TH-cam removing the dislike button was bad. Some poor soul is actually going to follow these instructions
Indeed !!!
@@StarrTileit was removed shortly after the most voted for president only had 1 video on YT with more likes than dislikes. It was when he got locked out of the W.H.
I’ll give you the comment to help your algorithm. I highly suggest watching some videos by the tile coach. Then rip this out and do it right there is going to be a myriad of issues with this down the line.
Don't want to rag on you Mike, as most of your other work is fantastic, but this shower is likely to have problems down the road. As another comment said, blocking the weep holes with silicon is a big no-no in this kind of system, and those funky corners in the liner may give water a way to wick into the wood curb and rot it out. There are plenty or great tile and construction professionals here on TH-cam with excellent content on how to do one of these the right way- and it ain't easy even though they make it look that way. Plenty of other waterproofing systems for you to consider, so I'll agree with the other commenters who advise you rip this one out and re-do it after you do some research and consider what other options might be better. You'll get another video out of it and us DIYers can get the benefit of your mistakes. We all make them!
*I don't know who this guy is or why he has nearly 2 million subs, but building a shower pan in 2024 is pretty easy, yet he made it hard...including doing a pre-slope which is 100% unnecessary because we waterproof the whole shower. I'm not sure what he is good at or why he has so many subscribers, but he shouldn't be doing handyman work on things that need BETTER BUILD*
Wow the level of negativity in the comments had me speechless for a bit.
Look I get that maybe the build was not perfect and that I think for the base is worth contracting for but I truly appreciated seeing a view of “shower making”.
I will also say that I have seen worse builds online.
You ever done one of those before? What resources did you use? Book? Videos? AI?
It looks like he followed the videos from the TileCoach but still had some mistakes and didn't pay close attention to a few specifics
Could have done a tiny slope into the shower on your shower curb for that extra A+ credit. Could achieve it with some 1/16” tile spacers on the outside edge of one of the gaps in the 2x4s.
This is a good video of how not to install a shower liner OMG
I see what's happening here. Brilliant. Is this a fake shower, shot from the hip, to generate comments on the video? genius. If not, you have tried more than I have on doing a shower pan. Probably will have to hire a pro
There are pre pitch systems you can buy to make sure your mortor is at the proper pitch.
Wouldn't it have been WAY more easier with one of those Schluter pre made pans?
Please post a link for the next steps...
You can try tile backer board for the bathroom
I think it's way easier to use a schluter pan
Oh God...What can I say... In the end, if the water goes into the drain and doesn't leak, I guess is fine.
I really enjoy your videos. Love that sometimes we are learning together n that you show all aspects! Well done
After watching this video, I decided to just say fuck it and get a normal white shower pan.
What is that black paper for ?
Looks good Mike. I'm nearing the finish of a bathroom remodel and so glad to have all the shower stuff done. I'm sure you probably said it in a previous video, but will this house become a rental/income property for you?
I’m excited to see the end result of all your hard work!
Why is this video still up it has so many problems , he should have just used schlutter or bought a prefab pan liner, he completely wasted his time money and effort, unless he was merely practicing i guess, if your learning this for the first few times. Definately. Dont Do What He did, erase it from your mind and continue your research Oatey has videos on how to intall a liner properly and even home depot has videos showing proper inatillation but if you look hard youll find some really great videos of long time installers with some thorough explanations and some greatly helpful amd inovative tricks and tips to make it easier to do without paying a professional, but my advice is to hite someone that gurantees thier showers wont leak like me, that way you know if there willing to fix their own work for free then they surely know what there doing, . One time i pulled up a shower pan like that and they literally had a bunch of shims under the drain like he did but between the liner and they pushed the membrane upwards and all the water was standing all along the outside of the drain all the way to the walls, literally over an inch of eater across the entite floor that was unable to get to the weepholes !
You gotta stop making instructional videos for something you’ve obviously never done before. 😂
Why are you not using a laser level?
forgot to flood test after installing liner and before preslope
You did not property put nail guards for all the electrical wiring in the walls. You don’t put mortar against any wood surface. The drain isn’t correct either. You didn’t the water lines either.
Edit: he did have mortar against wood around the edges, but I can't be for certain how big of an issue that is.
1. He didn't put mortar against any wood surfaces, he used it above the wire mesh that was on top of the tarp paper and then over top of the membrane. 2. The drain is sloped as it should be for that size of shower and installed correctly. 3. The water lines aren't going to move so he didn't need to mess with those at all. Even if he did he still has access behind the blocking he added to make any adjustments. 4. Also there wouldn't have been any need to add nail guards below the mortar line but above there should be but it's not too late for that.
Come on dude. You know this is half assed and not the proper way to do this. Buy yourself a shower pan and some schluter water proofing.
And before anyone responds saying this is how they used to do it. Yes. This is how preofessionals used to do it, with years of experience. Even then a lot of them leaked.
I don't remember sealing off weep hole and making a mud bed with playdough ever being popular with the pros at any point in time lol
Sorry but this is so cost cutting that whoever gets this property next is going to have to redo that shower way sooner than if it was done correctly.
What was done incorrectly or what could be improved?
Most steps were done incorrectly. The biggest issues were siliconing the weep holes on the drain. This is a "water in water out" system. Water that makes its way under the tile is supposed to drain under the mud pan, run down the pan liner and into those weep holes, then onward into the drain. With the weep holes blocked, you're just going to have stagnant water sitting under the tiles. It will discolor the grout and possibly tile, and cause major mold issues.
Also, his "dry pack /deck mud" was wayyyy too wet. It's supposed to look like damp sand, not play-dough. It really does not need to be pretty as it's only taking on compresional force, but with that much extra water, it probably shrank like crazy, and it's probably going to crack and delaminate as too much water can was out the Portland cement in the mix (it's ~ a 5:1 sand / cement mix, so you really only want enough water just to activate the cement).
I'm all for learning by trial and error, but the fact that this is a house flip irritates the hell out of me. The updated shower will surely be a selling point while the unknowing people who buy the house are going to be paying a good $10-$15k minimum to get it fixed correctly within a year or two.
If this was a video of him vlogging his own house project and looking for feedback, I would not support any negativity, but hacks like this perpetuate shit workmanship (the dude has no clue what he's doing while confidentially misguiding viewers) and also might as well be robbing the new homeowners while also telling them to go fuck themselves.
@@jbichl
Can you tell me where he siliconed the weep holes? I didn’t see that part. If the mortar mix was too wet and it had more cure time would it work? If he followed the directions on the bag and added the amount of water the manufacturer says to how can that be bad?
@@JoeSlaughterJr I believe he cut the silicone part out after posting.
I too did not see where he's siliconed. It looked like he had a little silicone underneath the upper part of the drain where was bolted to the bottom part. A little silicone around the outside of that shouldn't be a big deal though the weep holes are further towards the inside of the drain so I don't see what everybody's talking about. I thought he did a pretty good job actually besides the mortar being a little too damp
We're going in-depth with this shower series and breaking it into 3 digestible chunks. Stay tuned, I've got more coming!!! Also if you've got any helpful tips that I might have missed, leave them in the comments for future viewers!! Thanks of watching :)
Dude I love your enthusiasm but you should consult a professional or maybe watch some videos. Again I love the enthusiasm but I'm sorry this is so unprofessional I would lose my contactor license if I did any of this. I would not recommend doing anything like this.
Omg. Everything wrong 😢
"the I more I worked it, the more the water raised to the top, but I got it out of there" as it went into the drain....
Why is everyone saying this is wrong? Where did he go wrong? Idk is why I’m asking.
Thank you for the great video. I followed it step by step and worked out great!!
This is a terrible job... If I were you, I'd tear it out and start over. This whole thing was a cheap way of making the floor for a shower and you will end up having to redo it in a couple of years because it will fail.
I hope nobody actually listens to this guy he is showing how to do everything wrong!
Looks like Helen Keller did it
15 32nd of an inch aka 12mm in the modern world😂
🔥🔥🔥
Yikes
The Shower is the size of a coffin ⚰️
Sorry Mike you’re not a super pro when it comes to concreting .
There is too much carpentry in this waterproofing task..
❤❤❤ perfect work thanks to share.
Neck mic, man. Neck mic.
Get some real tools 😂😂
Why is this video still up it has so many problems , he should have just used schlutter or bought a prefab pan liner, he completely wasted his time money and effort, unless he was merely practicing i guess, if your learning this for the first few times. Definately. Dont Do What He did, erase it from your mind and continue your research Oatey has videos on how to intall a liner properly and even home depot has videos showing proper inatillation but if you look hard youll find some really great videos of long time installers with some thorough explanations and some greatly helpful amd inovative tricks and tips to make it easier to do without paying a professional, but my advice is to hite someone that gurantees thier showers wont leak like me, that way you know if there willing to fix their own work for free then they surely know what there doing, . One time i pulled up a shower pan like that and they literally had a bunch of shims under the drain like he did but between the liner and they pushed the membrane upwards and all the water was standing all along the outside of the drain all the way to the walls, literally over an inch of eater across the entite floor that was unable to get to the weepholes !