What if the Imperial Federation Formed? | Alt History
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- An alternate history of Britain (and the commonwealth) in which the British Empire is transformed into the Imperial Federation, a world spanning super state...
If you want a video explaining the logic behind the scenario tell me in the comments down below!
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Such a shame this never came to be! At least the CANZUK proposal would go some of the way towards greater unity, movement and trade between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK.
maybe eventually we can make it the imperial federation
@@Zimurch1084 BAHAHAHAH, you're joking right? CANZUK does propose good trade deals but there is not 1 chance any of those countries would join uk, these countries combined have more manpower and gdp then uk, plus who would want to join someone elses country, nobody in these countries would support that anyway.
@@createyourchannelname3821 I mean the countries are pretty similar, being ruled by the queen, not to mention canzuk would be a based version of eu
@@PETRIXXXX They are not ruled to the queen, they only respect the queen for allowing them complete independence which they had no choice as their economy was collapsing, the queen has no control over any of those countries.
@@createyourchannelname3821 about 50% of each state wants to join canzuk and its pretty possibly dude.
I love the alternate history scenarios that you are making. The videos themselves aren't overstretched yet elaborated well. You're going to blow up one day, I've liked all your videos and subscribed. ;)
Thank you so much, glad you're enjoying the content.
USSR: Communism shall succeed!
*Hears God save the Queen playing in every ocean*
USSR: Oh no, I've caught a terrible case of failure😵
*USSR dies*
US: Friends?
IF: Course old chap. But now China's making noises
US: Welp, guess we got our new enemy now.
the Empire we want and the Empire we need. LONG LIVE THE IMPERIAL FEDERATION
"south africa would remain the dominate force in south africa"
yeah no shit 😂
I meant Southern Africa 😂
This is the most sensible alternate history scenario of imperial federation, good work !!
Thanks, glad you like it.
Let's all take a moment to realize 9/11 likely doesn't happen since the IF would've contained the rise of fundamentalism
Not really, because how would the ussr still collapse?
Nice vid bro, you earned a new subscriber
Thank you so much.
Here’s a interesting idea I thought of what if America and Japan fought their own war in 1914 with no European interference just them two fighting their own war in the pacific
So just an all out war between Japan and America in 1914? interesting idea, I'd expect America to win but for the timeline to be plausible I'd have to get rid of the Anglo-Japanese alliance, otherwise you'd have Britain either joining the war or demanding a peace settlement
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 yea that’s what I thinking to get that scenario to work
I'll do some research and try get it done, as a timeline it could have some pretty big implications if either of them were to win
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 ok that’s great 😃
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 i wonder what a joint japanese and british war agaisnt america would be like this being in 1914 would be in the time line where the british empire is at its peak
Imagine looking on the Olympics leaderboard and it says:
Imperial Federation
😂
Yeah, we might actually win a few in this timeline lol
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Ye, and also with many other good players from across the federation
I wonder if each Federal member would compete independently, or compete together.
Could be either, I'd like to think they'd play together but maybe not, plus I think they'd probably put on a larger scale version of the Commonwealth games in which each member would play independently, granted they'd probably call it the Imperial Games or something like that.
Each part of the UK already competes independently in events like Euro. It'd probably be that way but with the whole federation.
This may be the best scenario I have ever seen! Glory to Imperial Federation!
Thanks, glad you liked it
This every British persons dream
Ah, ça faisait longtemps que j'attendais de voir une nouvelle vidéo de, selon moi, l'un des plus grands espoirs actuels du mapping ! Aussi, bravo pour les 300 abonnés, tu les mérites amplement !
Wow, merci mon pote, aussi oui, je me sens comme hier alors que je n'avais que 10 abonnés, j'espère que je pourrai bientôt régler mon calendrier de téléchargement et sortir des vidéos plus régulièrement
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Pas de souci, prends tout le temps nécessaire, la quantité avant la qualité ! I wish you the best, my friend !
This alternate timeline:The British keeps the Indian sub continent
Indians:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
hahahaha that sound sounds like something straight out of Oversimplified XD
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 yeah it does.
I don't think they would be suppressed like they were in our timeline since they are given a seat in the imperial parliament
@@owenrussell5162 they have to be oppressed in some and restricted travel or the federation would become an Indian federation
@@apotato5567 I mean, most of the federation's land is in africa. The empire was already pretty diverse.
I really wish that the IF became a reality
Edit: also you just earned a new sub
Thanks
I hope the IF doesnt become a reality tbh
@@kaede2282 why though?
@@echidnanatsuki882 because im irish and i dont want to be british
@@kaede2282 I see.
But the Imperial Federation was planned to begin after the Irish and Indians gain independence in real life.
While i feel slightly insulted that the Dominion of Newfoundland is never mentioned, I really appreciate the effort put towards this video. (though Yugoslavia's immediate breakup upon the early dissolution of the USSR, and then those borders never changing was a choice, but also not the focus of the video)
Best of luck in your future works!
Thanks, my apologies about Newfoundland, at the time I wasn't particularly good at drawing it, otherwise it would've been included.
Nice vid, though i feel the US would try to pressure the Federation to decolonize at least in Africa to appear less imperalist to delevoping nations in order to combat communism
Thanks for your comment, and yes that is possible, granted each region would be self governing so the US might have tolerated it, at least for the duration of the Cold War, though afterwards... it's possible that pressure would increase.
In Africa, I'd agree, but perhaps the US would be a little more tolerable regarding the Asia-Pacific region in light of China being China.
Yeah, they probably would try pressure them, but I doubt it would work.
@@MetaKnightX6 Agreed, the British government at the light of the Cold war was a lot weaker than when the War left it, give it a more powerful Government, Empire and armed forces would ultimately make it less reliant on USA
@@BurntCollypso True but a stronger UK in General would make US feel-uneasy a bit, just a small bit, and them telling Britain to de-colonize might be ignored, the Imperial Federation has nukes to, so maybe these would get close to a Cold War, but would be stopped with the Rise of China
China against US and Imperial Federation
This'd be ground for the british monarch to add a new title onto themselves:
Emperor of the Imperial Federation.
Kinda like what Germany did.
And thusly, Britain, for the first time in it's history since Rome, would have an Emperor/Empress
Didn't Emperor/Empress of India count?
This made my day, much appreciated. From the Panama Canal Zone, I pray that you have good day.
Thanks, you have a good day too.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Aye
What an excellent video.
Thanks, glad you liked it
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 3:27 famine was caused by Churchill stop trying to blame someone else, bengal is one lf the most fertile lands on the planet and you are saying it had to import food from burma ? Pathetic!.
@@anitathakur9340 I'm telling you the truth, if you don't like it too bad. You do know that weather conditions and hoarding by local officials started this whole famine right? When this happened the logical solution was to bring in food from Burma as it was often used as India's breadbasket (and everyone who isn't a Nazi, communist, Indian Nationalist, or Japanese apologist knows this.) Unfortunately Burma was seized by Japan which took that option off the table. The only role Churchill played was making the hard but completely understandable decision to send food to the military fighting in Egypt (as spoiler alert losing the Suez Canal would've been to put it mildly a big deal) rather than to Bengal. You're welcome for the information, and some friendly advice, change your profile pic before you get banned.
@patrioticbritishmapper8352 th-cam.com/video/bAj_2b_-aQI/w-d-xo.html why would I get banned swastika itself is an Indian word , it has nothing to do with funny moustache guy
@@anitathakur9340 Ah yeah an Indian nationalist channel... definitely going to be completely reliable and unbiased. And as for the picture, spoiler alert, TH-cam's bots don't see it that way.
wht do you use for making ur maps? and if its just plain old paint what map u use
I use Paint 3d, for the map I just found it by typing map of the world simple in in Google and I altered it by adding the oceans with paint 3d
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 ok
Despite being an Indian I liked the video because there will much more stability and peace in the world.
Brown sahibs( angreji hawaldaar) feeling good;
@@darthsorosious3985 lol
Great work !
Thanks
What if the Japanese empire had survived?
Sure, I'll get it made
3:03 they still maintained naval supremacy around crete in the real world which was why it was taken by paratroopers
I would have liked it more with an ethnic map but i enjoyed the video anyway, thank you
Basically everything would become ethnically indian from indian immigration.
Thanks, if I had the talent to do that I would, but even so I'm not 100% sure what the demographics would look like
@@mappingshaman5280 I wouldn't go that far but yea there would certainly be a lot of Indians spread across the ex british colonies
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 there's literally a billion of them. The uk with its 65 million people would be easy to overwhelm, even moreso for the other dominions.
India is a wealthier country in this timeline so they would have less of an incentive to leave and live elsewhere, plus Britain in this timeline lost less people in the world wars, therefore the white dominions would have a more sustainable birth rate
If only there was a way to maintain British dominance, unfortunately we don’t live in that timeline.
*fortunately ,you mean
@@anitathakur9340 I meant in my opinion, it’s ridiculous that I have to specify that for everything I say on the internet.
@@adamkerman475 th-cam.com/video/bAj_2b_-aQI/w-d-xo.html
@@anitathakur9340 A video with no sources isn't evidence
Could your next video be about the Franco British Union
sure.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 and one about the spanish empire surviving, maybe something similar to the imperial federation
I can give that a go too
@@trollinape2697 I recon if it was successful for Spain Britain Would do the same so you would essentially have two colossal empires existing well into the 21st century the Britains Imperial Federation. And perhaps something called the Spanish or Latin commonwealth.
France and Portugal would likely also hold on to their Empires far longer too.
@@MCLegend13 hell maybe the iberian union wouldve lasted it for longer if the spanish monarch didnt focus si much on Castille-Leon
I have a feeling that if this had come to pass and India had remained inside of the federation and been properly invested in (as your scenario suggested) then India would have be come the defacto leader due to it's massive population and industry
Potentially, and I could definitely see it becoming the economic heart of the federation, though I don't think it'd be dominant in the leadership, as the other senior members would probably team up against it when it came to voting, granted that might lead to a toxic relationship between India and the rest of the federation, so I can't say anything for sure.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 if Indian's population came anything close today's level then even if the other senior members united together they'd still struggle to overwhelm them in vote numbers
Depends on how voting would work in the Federation, it'd probably change over time, but I could see them putting measures in place to prevent something like that happening. Also India's population would probably be even bigger than today's numbers.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 not to mention they would actually have a half decent economic plan instead of the disaster of our time.
@@benshiotsu8553 indian economy disaster? Yeah it was a disaster under anglolz, and 60 year congress rule, its one of the fastest growing economy now, such a pathetic try to justify colonialism , shame shame!
WHYYY WHYYYY WHY DID THIS NOT HAPPEN 😩😭
Because you were too much of a jerk
ww1 happened. Had it just been like 6 years later, this may have come into fruition.
World War I
As a Canadian. Yes.
What the hell happened to my old comment ;-;
anyway, came here to say, this is the best video you made, I love it.
Thanks, not sure what happened to your old comment, I'll see if I can find it.
CANZUK Now: 🤡🏳️🌈🤡
CANZUK Then: 💪🗿🇬🇧🇨🇦🇦🇺🇳🇿🗿
Imperial Federation in a world of Democracy would have to switch Seat terms, meaning like for example maybe every 7-8 years, heck even 9, they would switch Member seats, like India could be the head to the Federation, and then maybe Tanzania, and then maybe UK again, or Canada, thus would cause even less of a Movement.
That's actually a really interesting idea.
Bruma not completely fell would alter the fate of RoC completely. While TTL Operation Crusader could had been a complete success, hence Operation Torch would had been invasion of Sicily; earlier completion of Ledo Road would mean more C-46/7s had been available at ETO, thus butterfly away Market Garden like operation failures, therefore Iron Curtain could had been move a bit eastward.
Great video 😁👍
Thank you
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 No prob
Can you do What if the Hohenzollerns never lost their power and Germany remained a monarchy to this day?
Sure
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 thanks.
No problem
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 also could you have it for Germany became the same kind of Monarchy and form of Government that Britain became?
I'll give it a go, question, how do you want this timeline to play out, does Germany win ww1, does it lose or does the war not happen?
I like this scenario.
Thanks.
If only you used the hoi4 flag. Still good tho!
Absolutely amazing!!!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
what if britain allied with axis in ww1?
from a fellow british patriot.
It would fit with this timeline as the main advocate for Federation. Joseph Chamberlain also wanted to push an Anglo German Alliance
Central Powers, not Axis. Interesting scenario though. Perhaps it can be a thing if Wilhelm II's more liberal father hadn't died within a hundred days of his reign. This short-lived Kaiser was someone we could have worked with.
This alt history is literally just what happened in real life but with British colonies having less autonomy
The soviet union fell because it over militarized and had a larger army than the rest of the world combined, the United states had a much much much smaller military and thus it was easier for them to maintain their economy, thus it lagged behind.
Just realised that 9/11 might be targeted towards Britain in this timeline due to maintained Imperial influence in the Middle East.
Cool video but i think only Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and maybe South Africa would be in the federation.
I'm inclined to agree with you.
So in this scenario Britain gets to keep all of its territories long live the British
Whats the name of the second song? Great video!
Thanks, the song is "I vow to thee my country."
Thank you so much! Keep up the great work!
Rather a difficult outcome to include India in the federation, not only including of the sheer liberalism of full dominion status right after WWI (the Montagu-Chelmsford reforms representing the limit of what the administration was willing to go to) even if the dominions could influence further liberalization or if Labour/liberal has gained more influence in parliament. It’s never mentioned how the seats would be organized - I imagine if India was included some sort of arbitrary seat-makeup unincluding of population would be implemented but this couldn’t last forever and some system implying equality to all members including India could’ve been implemented. Maybe half of the seats are equal for each member of the federation, and half are based proportionally on population. Aside from India, it’d be almost impossible for the British to maintain the Middle East (aside from Yemen maybe,) until the modern day. Of course, the 1919 revolution which united the entirety of Egypt against direct British protectorate could’ve been avoided but Egypt could neither remain a protectorate until the modern day or become a full member of the federation, due to having a highly independent identity and its own monarchy. Same largely applies to the Gulf States, Iraq, and the Transjordan.
I agree, especially on India (granted I'm pretty sure I kept Iraq as a puppet states not as an outright federation.) I may remake this one at some point, thanks for your input.
You are so skilled, keep up the amazing work!
Thanks, I will
Great video
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
I find it difficult to believe that it would survive to the present day, India would almost definitely have fought for their independence after the Second World War, and the Empire would not have been able to put down something as large as, or larger than, the 1857 Indian Rebellion following the Second World War.
I doubt the Indians would've been capable of organising such a rebellion after ww2 (the quit India campaign failed miserably let's not forget) but I agree, it wouldn't have remained part of the imperial federation and if I were to remake this video, that's one of the things I'd change
Thank god it didn’t I like Australia being independent
Good video, but the text goes by really fast. Sometimes it lasts for only 4 seconds
Sorry about that, been trying to slow it down a bit more in the newer videos
Best world scenario
Worst
@@anitathakur9340 L
Good video
Thanks
wouldn't france maintain algeria and tunisia without the suez crisis ?
Tunisia I'm not sure, Algeria yeah they probably would
I don't see how the Suez crisis would affect any of this.
@@rais1685 It might not even happen in this timeline, the main effect of not having it is no Nasser therefore the Pan Arabism movement would be weakened, plus it would mean Egypt wouldn't be helping the rebels in Algeria and Tunisia fight against the French
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 algeria wasn't really into pan Arabism, The only thing that mattered was getting independence.
Btw tunisia didn't have a revolution, France gave independence to morocco, Tunisia and the West African countries so that the French troops in the colonies can move to algeria.
this is nearly impossible because the parliament seats would be unfair, the British would want the biggest say, however India has a much greater population making it superior in the parliament seats so India would have to go, and many African independence movements still may succeed.
Since the Soviet union falls in 1985 in this timeline, would that mean North Korea would have a worse famine, then our own timeline?
And does 9/11 happen in this world?
Nice video
Thanks
the parliament will be wild
My favourite timeline
Blessed timeline
BASED
Cool video, but I do see some problems with this Imperial Federation such as, the flag change making no sense, the name "Imperial Federation" was only a placeholder and not a legitimately thought of name, India becoming an Imperial state making no sense because of huge population of India and racism of the time and the number of colonies becoming Imperial states is a bit much. Still a cool video though and still well thought out.
Thanks for your comment, yeah I agree it probably would have a different name, I wonder what they'd go for actually and I agree Indian inclusion is a bit questionable.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Oh nice you replied! About the name thing, I'm thinking the name would probably be something related to Britian, also, where did that flag come from?
@@themarvelousemafia4457 I just typed in Imperial Federation Flag, and I just took a liking to that one, I think it's a HOI4 flag, but I'm not 100% sure. I agree with you on the name, though maybe we'd see them try drop the British bit in the name after WW2 similar to how the Commonwealth was called the British Commonwealth originally.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 I don't think they would drop the British part of the name because I believe in a world like this the Britannic identity wouldn't really die as how it did in our timeline.
Love your video but I would highly doubt that USA and Federation would remain as an ally after the Soviet falls. Given how the relationship between China and the Soviet change in the 60s.
Fair enough, maybe they would've had their own version of the Sino-Soviet split, not quite sure how it would look though.
Most likely they would be split around 1992.And after that the Federation would not pull in allies(not like they need any)and some counties like France would support Britian because empire.But after China becomes a threat the US and the Imperial Federation will do a China-Russia relationship like now.With them holding a gruge against each other and united by Russia and China
Those two are way more openly paranoid than the USA and IF. I wouldn't go comparing these pairs of ideologically aligned nations.
Why would the federation give up former Italian colonies
I don't think Britain ever had much interest in holding onto them, maybe with the Imperial Federation existing that changes, I'm not an expert on Libya or Somalia so I'm not sure if there's any long term benefits for keeping them.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Looks nicer on a map.
We can only dream…
Well there goes Zambia
You get your names and dates very mixed up don’t you?
Which names and dates are mixed up?
Based
1:25 music?
I vow to thee my country (instrumental)
I dont see it lasting in the cold war or being allied to the us. Both the US and USSR were extremely anti-colonialist. And the federation would be spending so many resources on suppressing revolts that it would probably let go of most of africa and maybe india
If I were to remake this I would have India and most of Africa north of the zambezi gain independence.
@@icanthinkofaname One day I will
Neat
Thanks
I love 🇬🇧
What About the Falklands war in this timeline?
I don't think it would happen, since the British never decolonise the Argentines wouldn't have believed that the British would do nothing when they invaded, plus they wouldn't just be fighting the British in this world but the entire federation, so the Argentinian government probably wouldn't invade as they'd probably get wiped off the map.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 true
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 even in the current timeline, they didn't stand a chance that was just a desperate move to avoid a coup against the dictatorship
The greater britain
if only
in 6:56 it says French puppets which is not true it is more of there allies other than that a great video
Okay, thanks
What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
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How sober were you when writing this one 😂
Lol as an Indian, we’d probably descend into Hindu vs Muslim civil war at some point, let alone stay in this federation… nice video though
BEEG
The federation would have a lot more difficulties to survive and it would lose members and basically become today's British commonwealth
Which members do you think it would lose?
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 I think they would lose India
Fair enough
Leave Ireland 🇮🇪 out of imperial fantasy a country now proud member of the EU 🇪🇺 in spite of it's faults better to be part of a market of over 400 million than outside of it with the UK still trading most of its Exports to EU dream on with spurious Pacific trade agreements etc who wants this w.a.s.p. fantasy but racists and right wing demagogues!Leave comments no censorship. Long live the Republic.
😂😂😂 don't ever change kid
The British Empire: The bad ending
cringe and unrealistic
Whatever you say pal.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 i like your response ngl didnt expect that
You say that as though every event in our own timeline has been realistic. Didn't America and Britain once end up on the brink of war over some tiny irrelevant islands and the shooting of a pig? That's hella unrealistic if you ask me.
@@gengarzilla1685 not what I meant:/ The reasoning and play of events is unrealistic
Who even dreams up this rubbish?
Generations of British politicians, most notably Joseph Chamerblain