I never play Assault but every time I queue up, I found very polarizing spectrum of Assault player. I once saw an Assault guy hard carry us through Lethal without loosing a single HP with a power fist and 18k+ damage. On the other hand I saw a lv25 Assault slam his face into a wall and get cornered to death in Substantial difficulty 😂
Yep. Some players egos get in the way of good sense. Some assault players understand that they have a specific role to fill, and how to fit into that role in a team. ie Priority targets and swarm clear for your heavy/sniper so they can hard-scope. The ego for the rest makes them believe that they are the main character. They believe that every stim, ammo, grenade, armor, and execution is specifically for them and that they are doing you a favor by allowing you to be in his presence while he hard-carries (despite the fact that he was on a respawn timer for 20 minutes of the mission and nobody else even go a mortal wound)
My main is Assault, and the 2nd most played class is bulwark. As an assault main I have to agree, assault is a tough class. I don't think it's about ego, but assault is a high aggression class, and I see a lot of people over committing on taking a single target, and ranged damage is the biggest threat to assault, they end up losing their armor and 1 heavy attack makes you lose control and take abyssal amounts of damage. Survivability is very bad while playing assault.
I think you're speaking to Assaults main issue/mechanic. Assault is the best melee kit in the game IF you play aggressive AND smart, stay close to the team, and try to support them. Without mutual support it's easy to get in a bad spot with assault, and then he sucks. You can be the main melee damage dealer, but only if your supporting your teammates while you do it.
Appreciate you keeping up with sm2 daily where most of the other guys dropped it, love the game still learning. Finding your advice sound , my only troubles have been the learning curve as i go up in difficulty solo with bots is random and not alot of fun but players are also very random when you try and learn no solid form ups that stick together or use voice very often making it difficult to put theory into practice. keep it up !
Heavy ranged damage should be somewhere 14+ 24-33k ranged damage in every mission if you know what to do. With sniper best I was able to achieve was like 23k, no doubt, sniper is great, but it’s like scalpel, while heavy is obliteration machine for everything.
For now all classes can produce huge damage and have enough survivablity to live long enough to cope with the producing part. Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.
I used to hate assault because I couldn't wrap my mind around how his kit is supposed to work. Now he's my favorite class to play. I still don't have the confidence to use him in a Lethal run, but he's fun as hell everywhere else
If you havent taken the time to learn/master the relic block-hammer, do so!!! It is so much damage! I dont do lethal because I consider myself a casual, but on ruthless You can 1-tap majors and extremis with ground pound. Lunge opens minors for gunstrikes too so you can get your armor back w/o needing parries, but there is more effort involved. I haven't got the timings nailed down yet myself, but the goal is in sight!
@@nathancawley8759 Yeah, the relic block hammer is amazing. I was leveling the assault class last night with that hammer and was tearing through the hordes on substantial. The only problem I still have is dealing with multiple majors at the same time, but that's more of a skill issue on my part.
Yeah I think Bulwark and Vanguard are definitely at the top due to their healing ability. I think Assault can be S Tier in a very very skilled players hands but I am not that player haha 😂
Assault is garbage without people using mods to make them better. The worst of the six classes hands down. A skilled player would choose Bulwark over Assault given a choice if they wanted melee.
@clevergoblin1714 Well Ive seen that First Tour Guardsman dude do Solo Lethal Block Hammer with Assault so its not complete garbage. Sometimes BulWark gets boring yes its super strong but it doesn't do burst damage the same way assault can
@BrentCox2B you know he uses mods for that footage right? I've seen players who can competently solo lethal say you can't do Solo Lethal Assault without mods. And they showed their full gameplay while being on console so mods aren't possible for them. I take what they say over a TH-camr I cannot trust showcasing something I have personal experience to know is bad.. Assault is the weakest class. That much shouldn't be a contentious opinion
@clevergoblin1714 I dont think he does. And I think you are talking about Requiem Agent who said that but he didnt say WHO cheats he just said some youtuber cheats. I have made it through half a mission with Assault on Lethal Solo so Im pretty sure a better player could do it. We have no proof that First Tour uses mods so I think its a little unfair but if someone could provide proof Id be open to hearing it
I would not put a class who can not solo double zoanthrope in god tier. This is a hell to deal with zoanthropes with Vanguard and melta. Or you take the other gun but you can not recover your health easily
To be fair. The health regen on executions perk, melee perks that make melee what it should be normally, the fact they get a Melta while being a melee focused class, they're not good vs Zoanthropes but compare it to every other class and yeah it's an S tier for sure. The best class in the game. God tier being the real S tier, S tier is just A etc.
@@clevergoblin1714 I would put Sniper as the best class in the game because it's the easiest class for me to solo all missions in ruthless and deal with zoanthrope (I don't use sniper rifle, but the bolter carbine which allows me to recharge ability fast, playing with controller). But Vanguard as the second best, with the scoped bolter I can deal with these zoanthrope, and with fencing I have good survability
The heavy should always have 4 armor just like in PvP and the assault should have 3 jump pack charges like PvP there’s no reason to keep that out of PvE for balancing reasons because if anything it’d be more balanced with those added
The overall scores of these classes looks like IGN review scores. All inflated to be high so no one gets upset their class is low. Assault being A tier is such an incredible joke and spit in the face.. how are they on par with the heavy and debatable S tier. Assault in PvE where there's content has an awful jump pack that's still not been adjusted to be on par with the PvP or PvE. Playing assault has felt like torture. You even say the jump pack dash is bad and the jump pack has to be reworked so why is it on par with heavy??? To make this list non biased and more accurate, you just remove the God tier. S / Vanguard without question is above the rest, and S tier is meant for things above the rest. A / Tactical (let's be honest it's because of the GL and Melta), Sniper , Bulwark. They're all on the same level. B / Heavy (his perks need to be reworked and his main ability is bugged as you said.) C / Assault. It's worse than Heavy, and the weakest class in the game. It shouldn't be on the same tier as Heavy
After grinding most of the weapons in the game, I feel like alot of these scores feel on point but I do believe sniper should not be tied for first and should be lower somewhere around 4th place with heavy tied and assault last. Sure it has camo and can run away from harm but thats not very helpful when the assault is getting mauled by 4 warriors or the bulwark fighting off 2 zoanthropes. I get it people use it alot for the laz fusil for solo lethal runs cause its easy and your not in much danger, but its melee potential is only viable if you use the Blood of Voss, otherwise melee is non existant in lethal with sniper when compared with most other classes. Now, my reasoning for heavy being tied with it is its very limited with its ranged options and depending on if your doing chaos or Tyranids, some weapons are not as viable and can be a liability. For me its 1. Vanguard (S Rank) (Fun to play, swarm killer, and hard to kill) 2. Tactical (A Rank) ( Multiple Ranged options and Great for damage buff with Apex) 3. Bulwark (A Rank) (Great healer, Melee tank, and hard to kill) 4. Heavy (B Rank) (Can take a beating, great ranged, but little melee) 5. Sniper (B Rank) ( Best for long Ranged but offers very little besides that) 6. Assault (C Rank) ( Relies too much on ability and is only really good for melee)
I only disagree on sniper being B. Heavy is B tier because his ability literally doesn't work properly right now. Sniper is better with Las Fusil easily. Other than that we ranked them the exact same and I've also experienced each of the classes in-depth.
@@clevergoblin1714 I still feel the heavy is much more reliable than sniper expecially once you get going. Sure sniper has quick revive and can cloak allies (optional) if picked up, but the heavy can bring people back at full health which I feel can help alot more incase your group doesnt have a bulwark to heal others. Sure you can disagree, but when I load into a lethal run, I would trust a random heavy with my time and life over a random sniper any day.
I never play Assault but every time I queue up, I found very polarizing spectrum of Assault player. I once saw an Assault guy hard carry us through Lethal without loosing a single HP with a power fist and 18k+ damage. On the other hand I saw a lv25 Assault slam his face into a wall and get cornered to death in Substantial difficulty 😂
Yep. Some players egos get in the way of good sense. Some assault players understand that they have a specific role to fill, and how to fit into that role in a team. ie Priority targets and swarm clear for your heavy/sniper so they can hard-scope. The ego for the rest makes them believe that they are the main character. They believe that every stim, ammo, grenade, armor, and execution is specifically for them and that they are doing you a favor by allowing you to be in his presence while he hard-carries (despite the fact that he was on a respawn timer for 20 minutes of the mission and nobody else even go a mortal wound)
My main is Assault, and the 2nd most played class is bulwark. As an assault main I have to agree, assault is a tough class. I don't think it's about ego, but assault is a high aggression class, and I see a lot of people over committing on taking a single target, and ranged damage is the biggest threat to assault, they end up losing their armor and 1 heavy attack makes you lose control and take abyssal amounts of damage. Survivability is very bad while playing assault.
I think you're speaking to Assaults main issue/mechanic. Assault is the best melee kit in the game IF you play aggressive AND smart, stay close to the team, and try to support them. Without mutual support it's easy to get in a bad spot with assault, and then he sucks. You can be the main melee damage dealer, but only if your supporting your teammates while you do it.
if theyd add Heavy Aggresssor weapons instead of just Heavy Intercessor itd be a much more fun class
Appreciate you keeping up with sm2 daily where most of the other guys dropped it, love the game still learning. Finding your advice sound , my only troubles have been the learning curve as i go up in difficulty solo with bots is random and not alot of fun but players are also very random when you try and learn no solid form ups that stick together or use voice very often making it difficult to put theory into practice. keep it up !
Heavy ranged damage should be somewhere 14+
24-33k ranged damage in every mission if you know what to do. With sniper best I was able to achieve was like 23k, no doubt, sniper is great, but it’s like scalpel, while heavy is obliteration machine for everything.
For now all classes can produce huge damage and have enough survivablity to live long enough to cope with the producing part. Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.
Glad I found your channel, great job with explanations and reasoning behind them. Super helpful insights.🎉
I used to hate assault because I couldn't wrap my mind around how his kit is supposed to work.
Now he's my favorite class to play. I still don't have the confidence to use him in a Lethal run, but he's fun as hell everywhere else
If you havent taken the time to learn/master the relic block-hammer, do so!!! It is so much damage! I dont do lethal because I consider myself a casual, but on ruthless You can 1-tap majors and extremis with ground pound. Lunge opens minors for gunstrikes too so you can get your armor back w/o needing parries, but there is more effort involved. I haven't got the timings nailed down yet myself, but the goal is in sight!
@@nathancawley8759 Yeah, the relic block hammer is amazing. I was leveling the assault class last night with that hammer and was tearing through the hordes on substantial. The only problem I still have is dealing with multiple majors at the same time, but that's more of a skill issue on my part.
How many Helldivers would it take to kill 1 Space Marine??
for me the most fun clas is assault. as for others tactical with scan/ granade launcher and heavy with full hp revive are the strongest classes
Heavy is 8.8 wtf😂 you apparently do not play heavy enough
Heavy on par with Assault should tell you immediately he doesn't actually play either class.
Yeah I think Bulwark and Vanguard are definitely at the top due to their healing ability.
I think Assault can be S Tier in a very very skilled players hands but I am not that player haha 😂
Assault is garbage without people using mods to make them better. The worst of the six classes hands down. A skilled player would choose Bulwark over Assault given a choice if they wanted melee.
@clevergoblin1714 Well Ive seen that First Tour Guardsman dude do Solo Lethal Block Hammer with Assault so its not complete garbage.
Sometimes BulWark gets boring yes its super strong but it doesn't do burst damage the same way assault can
@BrentCox2B you know he uses mods for that footage right? I've seen players who can competently solo lethal say you can't do Solo Lethal Assault without mods. And they showed their full gameplay while being on console so mods aren't possible for them. I take what they say over a TH-camr I cannot trust showcasing something I have personal experience to know is bad..
Assault is the weakest class. That much shouldn't be a contentious opinion
@clevergoblin1714 I dont think he does. And I think you are talking about Requiem Agent who said that but he didnt say WHO cheats he just said some youtuber cheats.
I have made it through half a mission with Assault on Lethal Solo so Im pretty sure a better player could do it.
We have no proof that First Tour uses mods so I think its a little unfair but if someone could provide proof Id be open to hearing it
Assault is 10.0 when skill cap reached.
Every class is 10 when you reach skill cap bro. Game isn't that hard
Good video
Im thinking buying the game because it looks really awesome, can anyone recommend me The Best classes to play/start now after this update?
Why vanguard bolt with fencing knife? Zero Size capability. I run Melta with Knife and or Bolt rifle with chain sword block. It’s balanced load outs.
Zero AoE *
Balanced knife for sniper is very strong
I would not put a class who can not solo double zoanthrope in god tier. This is a hell to deal with zoanthropes with Vanguard and melta. Or you take the other gun but you can not recover your health easily
neo volkite pistol is decent against zoanthrope.
@@cyanxde_G59 it's literally not, Neo Volkite isn't good on Zoanthropes?!
To be fair. The health regen on executions perk, melee perks that make melee what it should be normally, the fact they get a Melta while being a melee focused class, they're not good vs Zoanthropes but compare it to every other class and yeah it's an S tier for sure. The best class in the game.
God tier being the real S tier, S tier is just A etc.
@@clevergoblin1714 I would put Sniper as the best class in the game because it's the easiest class for me to solo all missions in ruthless and deal with zoanthrope (I don't use sniper rifle, but the bolter carbine which allows me to recharge ability fast, playing with controller). But Vanguard as the second best, with the scoped bolter I can deal with these zoanthrope, and with fencing I have good survability
The heavy should always have 4 armor just like in PvP and the assault should have 3 jump pack charges like PvP there’s no reason to keep that out of PvE for balancing reasons because if anything it’d be more balanced with those added
The overall scores of these classes looks like IGN review scores. All inflated to be high so no one gets upset their class is low. Assault being A tier is such an incredible joke and spit in the face.. how are they on par with the heavy and debatable S tier.
Assault in PvE where there's content has an awful jump pack that's still not been adjusted to be on par with the PvP or PvE. Playing assault has felt like torture. You even say the jump pack dash is bad and the jump pack has to be reworked so why is it on par with heavy???
To make this list non biased and more accurate, you just remove the God tier.
S / Vanguard without question is above the rest, and S tier is meant for things above the rest.
A / Tactical (let's be honest it's because of the GL and Melta), Sniper , Bulwark. They're all on the same level.
B / Heavy (his perks need to be reworked and his main ability is bugged as you said.)
C / Assault. It's worse than Heavy, and the weakest class in the game. It shouldn't be on the same tier as Heavy
After grinding most of the weapons in the game, I feel like alot of these scores feel on point but I do believe sniper should not be tied for first and should be lower somewhere around 4th place with heavy tied and assault last. Sure it has camo and can run away from harm but thats not very helpful when the assault is getting mauled by 4 warriors or the bulwark fighting off 2 zoanthropes. I get it people use it alot for the laz fusil for solo lethal runs cause its easy and your not in much danger, but its melee potential is only viable if you use the Blood of Voss, otherwise melee is non existant in lethal with sniper when compared with most other classes. Now, my reasoning for heavy being tied with it is its very limited with its ranged options and depending on if your doing chaos or Tyranids, some weapons are not as viable and can be a liability.
For me its
1. Vanguard (S Rank) (Fun to play, swarm killer, and hard to kill)
2. Tactical (A Rank) ( Multiple Ranged options and Great for damage buff with Apex)
3. Bulwark (A Rank) (Great healer, Melee tank, and hard to kill)
4. Heavy (B Rank) (Can take a beating, great ranged, but little melee)
5. Sniper (B Rank) ( Best for long Ranged but offers very little besides that)
6. Assault (C Rank) ( Relies too much on ability and is only really good for melee)
I only disagree on sniper being B. Heavy is B tier because his ability literally doesn't work properly right now. Sniper is better with Las Fusil easily.
Other than that we ranked them the exact same and I've also experienced each of the classes in-depth.
@@clevergoblin1714 I still feel the heavy is much more reliable than sniper expecially once you get going. Sure sniper has quick revive and can cloak allies (optional) if picked up, but the heavy can bring people back at full health which I feel can help alot more incase your group doesnt have a bulwark to heal others.
Sure you can disagree, but when I load into a lethal run, I would trust a random heavy with my time and life over a random sniper any day.
Sniper is god tier only because of the ability regen passive on head shot.