Hawkeye: Mary Sue won't save the MCU |
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2021
- The MCU seems increasingly dull, lifeless, procedural; it doesn't have the energy it once did. It's in decline, and Hawkeye - now streaming on Disney+ - has failed to reverse the trend.
Clint Barton himself is old, tired and suffering, and the same could be said of all Marvel's recent productions. His replacement, Kate Bishop, is an unimaginative, irritating, shallow creation, rising too often to the level of a Mary Sue.
If it has no stories left to tell, and nothing left that's worth saying; if the MCU doesn't have any reason to be anymore, then perhaps it's time for us to bring it to a close.
The Avengers Infinity Saga was a superb achievement, and it will stand the test of time. Why risk cheapening all that by adding more and more of less and less worth?
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"You can't be nostalgic if you don't let things die." Damn if that isn't a hard pill to swallow...
I dunno... _is_ it, though? I'm fine with not ever needing to be nostalgic. This feels to me like saying "you can't stub your toe without kicking a solid object" - well yeah, it's true, but I'm not exactly depressed by the fact, you know what I mean? Like, who's going around saying "damn, I wanted to be nostalgic so I destroyed something I like, it's tough but you gotta do it :("?
Bro maybe just _don't take that pill then_
It seems to me that it's not nostalgia, per se, that we really want; that's a consolation prize you get when you can't have the thing itself back. The bitterness is from just the fact of death in general: we all try to avoid thinking about how everything we love will probably die eventually.
(I say "probably" because I'm signing up for goddamn cryonics. Hey, it counts okay, *I'm* something I love...)
@@Kveldred You make a persuasive and eloquent argument, and I agree with most of what you say. However I think when it comes to the video and the quote, it’s important to remember the context. A lot of modern big budget films seem to have an uncanny reliance on nostalgia while also trying to do the exact same thing in a new light, like trying to make an old dog relearn old tricks in a new way. I know it’s not a great metaphor, but I think it sums up enough to understand.
@@bananakinflyswatter904 Well this is the most thought-provoking and pleasant interaction I've ever had on TH-cam. Now I don't know what to say
No, no, I'm kidding (but only about the last line). I see what you're saying, and it does make sense; in the context of media, you want to gain some nostalgic fun by bringing back a character or IP... but it doesn't work; it (usually) just feels empty or forced, then. You have to let a good series end when it's still good and then come back to it to avoid that - otherwise, it wears out its welcome, and you probably won't miss it enough to be nostalgic in the first place.
(Unfortunately, I can no longer feel this emotion any more at all, myself... Man. I sure do miss how I used to be nostalgic.
...I'll get my coat)
Some things die even when you don't let them. The MCU for example. It's going strong, right? But to me, despite wanting to keep enjoying it, it's dead. It's not the MCU I knew.
Random example, but the anime for Mob Psycho 100, a brilliant series by the same manga author as One Punch Man, just ended. All through the comments on Crunchyroll for that final episode was sorrow at seeing a beloved story end, but more than that, a whole lot of gratitude for the author and animation studio that made the series possible. There was a genuine sense of loss, but also happiness that a story that good was not ruined by extending it too much.
There is one moment in the show that I actually did enjoy. That was when Clint takes his kids to the musical about Steve Rogers and starts having a PTSD attack while watching their song about the Battle of New York. You can't tell me that someone wouldn't have that type of episode. Hell, one of my coworkers father is a Vietnam veteran (and a super nice guy) and he's told me he doesn't watch war movies (especially about Vietnam, he won't even finish Forrest Gump) precisely to avoid those types of episodes (he says they hit too close to home). It was nice to see a real response to something as fantastic as an alien invasion led by the Norse god of mischief. That was the only moment in the show that really struck a chord with me. I honestly believe it would be hard for Clint to watch a show about his friends especially after the loss of Steve, Tony and especially Nat. And all of that was after his family disappeared on him and he was powerless to stop that. That's why the stuff with Clint in Endgame, brief as it was, hit so hard. We saw Clint suffer, and I mean really suffer.
Agreed. The show could’ve done with a lot more of that early on, and a lot less of the cherry, chirpy, generic humour.
In Thor love and failure. I would have liked him to put a stop to the comedy they made of his father's death. Which just so happens to have been their God and King... (I hate this movie so much)
@@thecod2345Literally all these MCU Streaming Shows are all *_Red Herrings;_* None of them are about the actual character on the Title Card, the character the people ostensibly wanted to see. Instead, they use that 'main character' to slip in their womb-man are superior and so strong; womb-man are best..... character and then make it about the womb-man, while side railing the 'main character.'
I think it would've made more sense if Clint had really any troubles during the final battle but he's having the time of his life, still a pretty neat scene!
Renner is a genuinely good actor but he rarely gets much to work with
Remember when Hawkeye was teaching his daughter how to shoot?
Yeah. That was nice. Glad it's fucking pointless now.
I mean this isn’t something outta no where, Kate Bishop does take up the mantle of Hawkeye.
@@BlaxkSun yeah, in this new era of Marvel comics which have been doing so poorly that if it wasn't for their movie division, Marvel would've gone down under years ago
@@HateshWarkio and you can say that but they are sticking to continuity. You can’t say you want them to be comic accurate one moment and when they do u have problem with it
Why is it pointless? You take your kid to karate class and they don't get their black belt. So pointless?
Remember when Clint and Laura named their baby after Nat?
Marvel doesn't.
“All female jaws reboot” 😂
Here's something I thought would have been interesting, at least in the hands of a more competent writer. Kate does take up archery as a child (before the Battle of New York, and that is reinforced by her seeing Clint fighting with a bow), but she knows nothing of any other martial arts. That's where Clint comes in because we saw Clint was a capable combatant with guns, knives, swords and his bare hands. Then when she gets involved in the business of avenging, she's a great shot with a bow, but little else, and promptly gets taken apart in a fist fight or with some type of weapon (sword, staff, hell even a baseball bat would be fine). This is what Clint is able to teach her. How to fight, how to assess a threat, how to hide, how to track people down. All of the spy/assassin/secret agent stuff we saw he and Nat do that made them so valuable to the Avengers. The fact that she has little to learn from Clint is really boring and more than a little annoying at this point.
Also, I'm honestly getting a creepy vibe with Kate, Rey in Star Wars and Batwoman on the CW. That's the vibe of stolen valour. If you don't know what that is that's where people pretend to be veterans, first responders, etc. in an attempt to gain undue respect/attention/compensation. It's the superhero equivalent and it's just as disturbing with superheroes/fictional characters as it is in real life. They didn't earn their skills through hard work, study and practice. They're just automatically that special. However, that isn't enough. They also have to be the best at it, even better than their predecessors (that was something that at least made Kylo Ren somewhat interesting in the force awakens was he was trying to follow in Darth Vader's footsteps but had none of the mental discipline or gripping menace that Vader had). Then comes the disturbing part, they actually take over the mantle of their predecessor, who they didn't actually learn from, and yet are instantaneously better than. If that isn't a scathing critique of 21st century feminist thought I don't know what is. They take credit for something they didn't do, while taking over something they didn't build, while not putting in any of the work it required to attain it in the first place.
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Yeah that's pretty much the vibe I've gotten from everything post Endgame. The people doing it are, at best here for a paycheck, but mostly are taking over something they didn't build and have no idea how to manage.
A woman who needs to be taught by a man? Stop right there you criminal scum!
I think an introvert Kate Bishop could have been amazing. It’s more believable that an introvert would become expert-level at a solo activity like archery. And it would be a good reflection of Clint’s personality it when he was young. And the intro scene when she’s watching Clint and becoming inspired… would be great with closeup shots of her eyes, showing how a introvert can be deeply affected by what they see and built their life around it
Kate is an amazing character in the comics though ,doing this would butcher that character
@@beeday7142 Sorry, I somehow forgot that these characters come from the comics. I was just thinking what would be an interesting character for a show.
Or just some one who’s both talented and an extrovert. But oh my she must be a marry sue
I clicked on this video because I thought it would be light viewing while I ate my dinner. But wow, your views on the emotional nature of nostalgia were so poignant, that I nearly started weeping with my mouth full of fried chicken. Kudos!
I will say at least Kate Bishop doesn't shit on Clint the whole time. "YEah i'm just better because i'm a girl" is a common thing Marvel has been doing recently but Kate actually looked up to Clint and knew she had things to learn from him. She's a legacy character done right imo.
definitely isnt right to call her a "mary sue. she has motivation and means for her skills. a dead parent and the idealization of a hero. She wants to become like Clint and her parent had the money to help her achieve it.
She also keeps getting saved by Clint rather than her ever saving him. Her moments of trying to show off how good she is come across more as she wants recognition from the man she admires than to show him up, and ended in her making matters worse several times.
Overall not a great series but not bad either. it's fairly average but it gets at least her character right
@@redbearington3345 Yeah, I haven't seen the series, but from the clips I see on TH-cam, it seems Kate Bishop gets more and more beat up the further into the movie we get.
@@redbearington3345 Absolutely, I agree that there are several Mary Sues in MCU, but calling Kate Bishop a Mary Sue is way too extreme... It's like calling Tony Stark a Gary Stu, since Tony Stark also get a exposition in the start of the movie on how smart he is, and gets liked by everyone (getting an award, a bunch of people surrounding him in the casino, and a reporter who questions him instantly have sex with him)...
Nowadays, this is gold I am willing to take.
The first thing today that makes me want to watch anything.... I was getting disappointed hearing this review as I have thought highly of Hailee (!) since Enders Game. I might give this a try given your comment....
"America does not know how or when to stop" - I've got a feeling it applies not only to cinema...
I just find it funny that he's saying that the British don't have the same problem, because, in many ways they're actually worse in that regard.
@@qty1315 I don't think he noticed given the frantic handjob he was giving his own country's "achievements".
"British Empire." You know, the sun doesn't set on and all that.
As if it's nothing like that in other countries. It's just Hollywood nonsense, and like anything else, it's ultimately a Business. Hollywood isn't the largest, that would go to Bollywood, but it's more recognizable and influential than Bollywood, and it just so happens to be in the US, California in particular.
As far as I know as an American, views on California here are very polarizing. Not everyone in the US is a Californian, far from it. Heck, California can pass as a Country given the way that it is.
@@qty1315 Sounds like self-righteous ignorance if you ask me. For lack of better term.
"Americans need to learn to let things go"
Two of your most famous franchises here are James Bond and Doctor Who.
"America does not know how or when to stop"
Remind me how many Dr. Whos you got over there?
As an American, doctor who feels fresh because they scrap every side character and recast the doctor every time they change the show runner. It got bad recently, but up until the 13ths writing it was decent to good with only some bads throughout
Exception that proves the rule???
@@smartfridge2279 And?
You apparently forgot about a little BBC show called Dr Who, that is the British version of Star Trek Picard/Discovery.
To be fair, that had a pretty good run when it came back. Nothing wrong with bringing dead franchises back when you can improve on them.
@@jrd33 Definitely, Doctors 9 through 12 had their ups and downs but were pretty solid overall in my opinion.
@@S3Cs4uN8 yeah, realistically if 13 had better writing and an actual competent show runner she could have been a good doctor
There are exceptions yeah, but generally he's right. British TV generally has shows that tell a story then are done. If they come up with another story, they tell that one, and its done.
@@jrd33 Same with Star trek... However the star trek got brought back in the 80s
"When it's time to end, we let them end"
*Dr.Who theme begins to play*
To be fair, the Tracksuit mafia name is equally stupid in the comics
This was the only Marvel Disney + show I watched. I didn't hate it. I liked the New York Christmas setting and all the bits with Hawkeye in were good.
I usually agree with you but I gotta call you out on the whole “only America doesn’t know how to let things go” theory. Doctor Who is a great example of this in British pop culture, and I’m sure there are other examples of this the world over. I think America is stuck recycling media at this point because of its money-making potential (aka, corporate greed)
The worst part is that I kinda liked Kate just because she isn't toxic like the rest of 'strong female characters' but actually she's a kind and good person
How fuсked everything is if this is enough these days goddamn
Same here.
She the absolute best of the new characters we've been offered. It's not nearly enough to save the Marvel from its self induced death spiral. I just hope they don't poison her to the point we see her on media outings talking about inclusion and representation nonsense.
They could have killed Clint Barton here, and have the story line between duty and family. But no, "we can use him for future films". Jeremy Renner looks so done with this character.
As an American I 100% agree with you that Hollywood typically doesn’t know when to end a franchise or series, because their main motive is financial, not artistic.
The problem is you can profit from art if there' a demand. The problem is the idiots that throw their money at Disney with a million excuses.
In the UK they know when to stop, huh?
How's the Doctor doing nowadays?
Uh, no. Harry Potter isn't finished. Rowling is milking it as hard as possible with the various spinoffs in the works. And the problem is that Hollywood realized back in the 1980's that the audience doesn't want anything new. They just want more of the same, and because it takes Hollywood 5-10 years to catch up the 'trends' the 90's was where all the sequels and remakes started. And you know what? THEY WERE RIGHT! They made money hand over fist, becoming a billion dollar industry. And it would have probably continued this trend for decades more.
Unfortunately, Hollywood became too rich. They don't need their audience as before, and so the rich, elite and mostly women or the men that want to bed them, that control Hollywood decided to use it to 'educate' us dirty, uneducated, stupid and even worse, POOR! plebs about their misandrist message. Long story short, the only reason our entertainment sucks all around in the West is because they're CHANGING it too much.
True enough, though my contention was that Harry Potter itself is a finished arc. You’re absolutely right to say that she’s milking every last drop from the wider universe, but not - to my knowledge - extending the original story and arc of the original characters, which is a distinction with a difference.
There is nothing innately wrong with remakes and sequels. There is something wrong with the mentality you describe, absolutely; but I still contend that another part of the problem is this urge to continue stories that have no life left in them. Aliens was a brilliant sequel, that’s not in doubt. But Alien IV was abysmal, and the less said about Covenant the better. There’s no spark left in these things, and the audience can feel how dead they are.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Doctor Who, then. A show that goes on and on and on with replacement actors long after it should have ended.
@@TheLittlePlatoon the movies from the Harry Potter franchise, a.k.a. Fantastic Beasts and How do I Write a Movie Script, do not have anything to with the original story and arc but there is still that one stain called Harry Potter And The Cursed Child which was an attempt at prolonging the original story and adding new arcs to it, although it was as graceful as a belly flop onto a receding wave
Remakes and sequels didn't start in the 90's you poor, ignorant, uncultured child; it has been happening since before film.
@@James_Bee Oh for the love of... You're really going to play this game? Semantics? Really? You know FULL well that before the 90's the sequel and the remake were NOT the norm. There was WAY more original fare than remakes and reboots. That changed in the 90's. Don't be disingenuous, it makes you look bad.
This is literally the first I have heard of a Hawkeye movie, and that makes me happy.
So, now most of the repalcements for characters in the MCU who died or are retiring are just "This person is a fangirl of the original character who found a way to imitate their powers." And then Falcon is now "A guy who doesn't want to replace Captain America, but has to, but we're not really going to explore that in much depth."
And Disney can't figure out why Phase 4 had massive falloff and why Phase 5 will tank.
Thanks so much for the gratifying intro! - but yes, American pop-culture rarely knows who to reach a satisfying, er, climax. ☹
Which is odd, given how much time Hollywood spends jerking itself off.
I've reached the point here at 20:57 that, if I had a time machine, I would use it to go back to when you were recording for this and ask if I could tag in to say "the tracksuit mafia" whenever it comes up in script to save you the heartache. You poor soul. The sacrifices you make for us.
I’m in denial and choose to believe it ended with Endgame
I like to think it ended with endgame so I can still adore the mcu we had before, and all the stuff coming now (depending on how much I like it) is an epologue or fan content. (Everything but moonknight really, I fucking love moonknight) That way all the mediocre or even shit new stuff doesn't taint the amazing story we had before
It did.
@@dairycream5 moon knight is ass
1:34 do you, though? Dr Who comes to mind... had to get that jab in.
America is just ahead of the curve, everyone else will suffer the same problems in time.
While I agree that this series has its issues( The Tracksuit mafia is ridiculous and hardly threatening, and the writers mostly dropped the ball with Echo ) I would disagree that Kate Bishop is a Mary Sue. The typical characteristics of a Mary Sue are that they are more skilled than the established character/ characters. Their skills are largely/ completely unexplained and often unrealistic for them, they have little to no personal flaws, they succeed at everything that they do, and everyone , other than villains( but sometimes even them) loves them immediately. Does Kate fit these requirments? let us see.
1- Is Kate Bishop more skilled than established characters?
Not really. Clint is a better archer, hand to hand combatant, and planner than Kate. As he should be.
She is not even a better fencer than her mom's new bf. He obviously was humoring her and is better than she. Not that he is an " established character", but he is older and has learned more about fencing.
2-Do her skills come out of nowhere and are they too great?
No on the first. She is a rich kid with the means to become trained in archery, martial arts, and fencing, and she is explained as having trained in these skills for years.
Is she " too good" at these things( or anything, really)?
meh. She is really good, but people can become really good archers in a decade. She is a bit good at martial arts given her size ( and gender. Sorry people. Guys are just better at kicking asses than women are)
3- Does she have no flaws?
Well. She is overly impetuous and convinced of her own skills. She is somewhat socially awkward. She misses social cues and rushes into situations she does not fully understand( and pays for it). She rushes to judgement on people( i.e. her mom's new bf).
I'd say she is flawed enough to not be a Mary Sue.
4-Does she succeed and everything that she does?
Nope. She needs to be bailed out from the Track Suit Mafia by Clint. She rushes into "rescue" Clint, and actually just screws up his plans.
5-Does everyone instantly love her.
Well. The Track suit guys, some of them, do like her. Her mom's new bf is trying to get her to like him( which is what a lot of people in his situation do) . But ,Clint finds her annoying for most of the season.
I'd say that, while really skilled, Kate is no Mary Sue.
Agreed. I agree with a lot of the larger views on the MCU and media overall, but she's not a Mary Sue and, I'd say, she's one of the very few characters (new or established in Phase 4) that's actually pretty well written. Well, at least in comparison to the rest.
There are some things that are done purely for laughs, such as the one tracksuit that she helps with relationship advice. That may be a bit irksome, depending on individual preference, but at least he's really the only one of the bunch that seems to like her.
@@alexhayden219
I often agree with much of what Little Platoon says. Even in this very video, but, he is definitely wrong about Kate, showing that he either did not consider the subject well, does not actually see the character of Kate Bishop, or does not understand what a " Mary Sue" actually is supposed to be.
Given his track record on other videos I'd say the first is the most likely here.
I fully agree. Kate is one of the very few newly introduced MCU characters that I like since she doesn't have the Mary Sue issues.
Would love to hear your take on the absolute state of Doctor Who. I like to think that it ended with Capaldi and that he never regenerated.
Squeezing the last dime out of product isn't American or even new idea but like most things the US does it goes full blast.
I feel smarter just hearing you talk! Excellent analysis. I am subscriber 94. Carry on. Cheers.
Americans often say it’s the British accent that does it…
Welcome, and good to have you aboard!
@@TheLittlePlatoon Just a by the by, the 'Tracksuit Mafia' is actually an allusion to the real life habit of the Russian Mafia to wear said tracksuits. No one really knows why, but they really like the style.
@@Slitheringpeanut They're the Russian Mafia. I'm not going to question their taste...
@@Slitheringpeanut To this day, Adidas is the "day suit" of council estate neerdowells....
Something bout the pinstripes
In the UK they know when to end a story...
Doctor Who
That is all.
Can you really says Harry Potter was ended? Id count a bunch of spin-offs as not letting something end
I appreciate your point about endings being important in stories- and sincere thanks for the insights, as I'm presently trying to more deeply understand storytelling- this one is more probably about commodification.
Watched civil war again, it's so good. My god, what happened to mcu!
I stopped watching all mcu films after The Winter Soldier. Civil war third act was horrid, and childish.
I'm only like a minute into this, so if you end up admitting as much, my bad, but you claim you know when to let things die, yet Dr. Who has become a shell of its former self, and y'all are still just keeping that one going. ;)
Ha. A good point, though I think I'd counter that, in the case of Dr Who, we're actively trying to kill a thing that didn't need to die. Which is a distinction with a difference.
So many people mention this. Okay. That's one example versus virtually all American media.
A jaws origin actually sounds kinda interesting 😅 just imagine the wittle giant baby shark 🥹
Giant baby shark watching his parents getting killed by some mechanical accident or oil drilling accident by humans and his life changed forever
Baby Shark is the theme song.
I was honestly surprised that they didn't have Clint's daughter as the new "hawkeye". While her character isn't explored too much since she's not in a lot of scenes, it seems much more interesting than Kate's, she's literally shown training with her dad, she has great chemistry with her dad, and is a female that adds more diversity that Marvel obviously wants. I just, don't understand why she's suddenly just the daughter in the background.
Kate Bishop was in the comics and did replace Hawkeye.
Sometimes canon is overrated.
@@K05H No, sometimes canon is skippedto get to the shittiest of it, the 2016's "Marvel NOW" that introduced these bland at best, trash at mid, absolutely hideous at worst characters.
1:35 like doctor who? Doubt it will truly end anytime soon.
Platoon, your thoughts about the bittersweet perfection of “early” or “timely” endings brought to mind these lines from our friend Housman: “Smart lad, to slip betimes away,/From fields where glory does not stay./And early though the laurel grows,/It withers quicker than the rose…/Now you will not swell the rout/Of lads that wore their honours out,/Runners whom renown outran/And the name died before the man.”
Ben Jonson’s Pindaric Ode On Sir Lucius Carey and Sir Henry Morison also came to mind….Bravo for reminding me of two of the finest neoclassical moments in the history of British poetry! Thank you.
This review is a big 💯! Couldn't agree more.
Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye is really the best detail about the show. The scenes with him and his family are usually good, but he himself is the only good thing about the show. I did enjoy the show EVENTUALLY putting the Mary Sue in her place, but not after being so intensely annoyed by her that I almost gave up on the show before getting anywhere close to her character's growth.
LPs reluctance to say tracksuit mafia recurringly had me in stitches, thank you for the video.
Everytime you sighed when saying the tracksuit mafia was hilarious, you can feel your disdain, Amazing video.
Clint’s emotional arc - he suffers from shame over his past sins as Ronin, and that shame is something he has to chase all over the world. The shame keeps him from drawing support from his family, and he becomes a distant father because of it. He is saved by having a mentee who sees the best in him, and that gives his life new purpose. I found it very moving, personally, even if the story around it was very flimsy.
The LoTR film clip while you were discussing the need to say goodbye legit choked me up.
Dude, these are so good man, hell yea!
The rail replacement bus always sucks. I like the idea of calling something a rail replacement.
Even if Marvel writers were still capable this was always going to be a difficult story to adapt because it was written for a completely different Hawkeye than the MCU version. Introducing Kate instead of having her already established was another hurdle. Then they had to shoehorn in Echo who has no reason to be here. Not to mention forcing Kingpin into the narrative only to embarrass him.
I understand a lot of the critique however you also have to remember that this was supposed to be a rush hour type show, which is why I kind of don’t understand the hate on the things like Clint’s slow mo shot into a ball pit
Im american and i hate the way the rest of the world thinks of us😂
Such perfection in prose even the "Jumpsuit Mafia" *sic* couldn't dampen it.. 😏
This video review is shockingly unappreciated and far deserving of even more likes than I'm seeing as I add mine to the count nearly a year later.
And I hope it keeps increasing. 😎👍
Perhaps the reason for the poor like-to-view ratio was simply that of a product ahead of its time foreseeing the tentative decline as yet to come when the pomp and appeal of the MCU still had a bit of luster left post-endgame that had fans still believing whatever foibles on display with Hawkeye was just a bump in the road as it were.
A bump that has now undoubtedly proven to be a pothole infested travel on a road that was once the great MCU, best avoided or ignored for a better journey of experience in other forms of media from a fast dwindling landscape of quality entertainment that is Hollywood. 🤷
Damn you are seriously underrated
The British know when to end things? Maybe for the most part, sure but I counter with Doctor Who are you trying to fool, lol.
5 mins in and I completely forgot this was a video about Hawkeye.
@The Little Platoon 0:01 - Why do you imagine that giant multinationals represent anything other than the financialization of art? These have nothing to do with America. Americans lost control of their politics soon after 1980 and consequently lost control over their economy, which is to say those who own and operate corporations headquartered for advertising purposes on the American continent, including those corporations invested in the production of television series and film.
Even for rhetorical purposes it's entirely inapropos to connect Hollywood's production to America in large.
Extremely underrated comment that I honestly wouldnt expect someone that doesn't or never lived in America to innerstand... well said!!!
@@yaboi-ru4532 Many thanks, compadre.
Bold stance to take on letting things end when J.K.Rowling exists. Cursed Child exists.
You make an excellent salient point Dr. Who!
The Data laugh clip had me rolling 😂
I’ve only recently discovered this channel and it’s not my favourite on TH-cam alongside The Critical Drinker! Keep up the good work!
Great use of Robert Frost’s poem ! It is a favorite of mine 🙏✌️
Truthfully it would have been a better story if Hawkeye was racing around the world, increasingly tired and estranged from his family trying to tie up plot holes too “small” for the main cast.
I think there is some hunger for mature stories. Movies are simply becoming huge and transitory amusement parks consisting of a single roller coaster with no connection with the world around it, and soon left sad and abandoned.
I am from the United States and I agree that we do not know when to stop anymore. It is annoying
Did she kill anyone before or in front of Clint? Do they ever discuss that or are we just assuming she is a giggly psychopath?
Bruh she is in no way a Mary sue
She is in almost every way a Mary Sue.
@@TheLittlePlatoon I would argue more but I think we both know youtube comments sections aren't the best place for discussion. So I would just agree to disagree. Maybe future eps change my mind or maybe it will change yours. Who knows.
There are plenty of great female characters that disprove your hypothesis. A good counterexample is Beatrix Kiddo in Kill Bill 1 & 2. We actually see her learn and grow as a martial artist when she's training under Pai Mei (and her temper is seen and then exploited against her by Pai Mei and later others). We see her make tactical mistakes when she's fighting Vernita Green, Oren Ishii and Bud. She's not the absolute best at everything (Vernita is said to be better with knives for example) and she is legitimately afraid of Oren when they square off (and with good reason, as seen by the wounds she sustains in the fight). We also see her emotional vulnerability when she awakens and thinks she lost her baby (in a moment that is truly heart wrenching) and then later when she meets her daughter BB for the first time. All of that enriches her story and makes her compelling.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Yeah especially in how we saw her training, how she makes mistakes, and how she is less skilled than other more experienced characters. Clearly a Mary Sue! They should have made it so that she had no training, made no mistakes, and was better than everyone else!
Yeah, clearly you don't know what a Mary Sue is.
@@jackhummer8344 She’s presented at the off - we are literally told by exposition - that she’s a black belt, a state champion in fencing, and the bestest archer in the whole wide world.
None of that is training montages - the archery is partly shown, but not the training - it’s done by exposition.
She instantly forms close friendships with every important character, all of whom like her. She is shown beating up armies of trained thugs with minimal effort and no cost whatsoever. Her mistakes are minimal in cost and significance, usually done for purely comedic reasons. She pays no price for them and is always able to awesome her way out of any problem within 5 seconds.
She is cheery, chirpy and vapid, this cheap substitute for wit being preferred - and superseding - that of established characters, against whom it is deployed.
Yeah; she is a Mary Sue. She’s not the WORST Mary Sue, and subsequent episodes (this review covers up to and including episode 3) have slightly - but only slightly - introduced some depth to her character. But she is still a Mary Sue.
I agree with your intro, with one caveat; Dr. Who.
Not that you are wrong about Hollywood but, how many series of Doctor Who are there again?
Oh, I don't know... this version of Mary sue doesn't help, but a psychically powered space creature, influencing everyone into thinking they are special, successful, perfect, integrating into important places, could be an interesting villain.
The general metanarrative of letting stories rest, is interesting when describing a film world, of a comic book world, which already had multiple iterations. Arguably letting the old stories die is what they're trying, by replacing the cast. With, bad storied and bad characters, but...
America/pigeon playing chess. Same same 🤷🏽♀️
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You were oh so right about the need to let things die, the ever growing creative bankruptcy of the mcu is undeniable proof that Endgame, who already suffered from many troubles, should've the last movie. Maybe the x-men could've had their chance at a good film then, but now I'm skeptical it can ever happen.
After Endgame, there should have been a 2 year break while cooking up the next phase
And not the non stop pumping and dumping of endless MCU content without a sense of direction
2:11 Life on Mars, Dad's Army, Faulty Towers, Sharpe, Ashes to Ashes, The Prisoner, Chef!........
The 14th Dr. would like to have a word with your opening statement. 🥰
Came for the critique but dang the opening hit hard. Couldn't agree more
As an American I read sub titles and I been watching those movies instead and the fact that they are not cliché I love them
Nothing lasts forever but you don't get tired of a blue sky, and people on their deathbeds don't ask to watch the sunrise out of habit , not everything is some fleeting high you can only enjoy once briefly .. Yeah things get done to death but with the right pacing and management they do not have to be by nature.
Has anybody ever noticed that Hawkeye was right handed when first introduced in Thor.....and later he was shooting left handed.
The Russians (Tracksuit Mafia) were established in a solo Hawkeye series when they tried to evict everyone in his building. The title was marketed as what Hawkeye does on his days off. Very grounded in reality for the most part and local organized crime makes for a decent urban villain. But in that series that Kate later took over, they knew each other for a while. It's a shame they didn't let that story breathe and rushed to make them team Hawkeye.
5:03 "Which leads us inevitably to ..." Dr Who.
Hawkeye can shoot through the eye of a needle… and that needle could be on Mars.
Well Dr. Who kinda is retconning itself into the MCU at this point too, so I guess you could call that an OUTLIER from the UK.
Fantastic video; I agree with almost all of it, and a good number of things you said made me think. (To make someone of _my_ brilliance think new thoughts is, of course, quite a feat.)
...but I said "almost". I may be some sort of grotesque outlier, but I find that even my fellow Americans stop too soon. If I like something, _I never want it to end._ (Perhaps because I am prone to depression: I often cannot read the final chapters of the final book in a series I love, e.g. Flashman; it makes me too sad.)
The British are the absolute *worst* about this, I'm sorry to say. There is a relevant joke in the Simpsons that cracked me up a bit: "It's the most popular and longest-running show in all of British television! There are *_six_* whole episodes!"
Stop it, y'all! Run things into the ground, like your obese little brother!
yeah, what about Dr. Who and Bond? Neither of those have ended and have went the same way as many American series.
I agree with you. I believe the direction should have done was a story of the five-year arc where he started going to rampage murdering the triad and the Yakuza. From there she can keep the rich girl aspect but her father used to work for one of those groups. And due to the fact you was on murderous justice rampage I got the punisher. The little girl was his consequence of his actions. So she picks up a bow to murder the man that said she got her father killed kind of eye for an eye with the same weapon that you took what was precious to me. By the end of the series he gets her to understand the situation better apologize for his sense and tries to point it to the right path since she worked so hard to be skilled at what she does. Since she hasn't murdered anyone yet and his eyes, she's still innocent because once you step over that path there's no going back. You couldn't even do a montage of her being the most aggressive and focused martial artists to the point where you show her hands are bleeding from pulling the bow so many times and her cheek is red from putting it her face next to it to make sure she hits the bullseye perfectly. Even situations where she's in the hospital with broken bones because she's doing trick shots to make sure there's no way she can miss just like him. Essentially a young girl at a young age drains herself to be your mercenary killer but hasn't taken a life yet.
Same sentiment different way of going about it.
Instead of leaving the past in the past and working on new things they think they must kill the past so the new thing can replace them.
How is this show" killing the past"?????
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By not adding anything worth wild.
@@kharijordan6426 That is not " killing the past".
@@daverobson3084 and yet it's very effective.
Maybe a new show with hawk eye will come up and it would be good...but as it stands I believe people will now just stay away from these characters.
"Dark and morally serious Christmas stories…" dickens! Christmas is about a baby born outside, there being no rooms available while the occupying army has rounded everyone up, who soon after gets a contract on its head: this show could afford to be dark in keeping with the character story.
We are excluding Dr. Who on the know when to end thing, right?
Dr Who is an American show.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Dr who. The longest running scifi show ever, created by the BBC in 1963 and stocked full of British actors is an American TV show? ROFLMAO.
You had Dr Who. 👍
Many people in the UK loved the Blackadder series in all its eras but the one that seems to have been most enjoyed and even respecte d was the final episode when the series and all characters along with their possible future blackadders , Balldricks et al saw their ends in a way that was truly poignant and tragic , much as the generation they depicted .
why the fuck couldnt they have his daughter take up the mantle, he was already teaching her how to use a bow and she of all people would connect to him as his hearing goes and the hawkeye side of him essentially dies, her maybe going out and becoming ronin herself because clint doesnt want her to become hawkeye and suffer life he did during his time with the mantle but her attempts to prove herself show him he cant stop her because shes just as persistent as he is so he might as well train her so she can look after herself, a simple story but one that can be done well
i would argue the issue isnt so much the mcu has to be let to die but rather the issue more specifically is not knowing when its ok to let the actors and characters we have seen move on to bring in new characters with new stories to tell. like there are certain franchises like terminator that need to be let end because each time its just a retelling of the same story but slightly differently but ips like star wars and marvel are ips with entire WORLDS and arent character based stories necessarily. like the way marvel stories in the comics and past used to play out that made them truly amazing was how the story WAS NOT made before anything else with the world and the characters being bent, battered and eventually broken in the the shape of the story but instead, you could FEEL how much the story was simply the characters existing in the alternate version of our world as shit like the skovia accords actually came about from our characters actions and became the key point that shaped A MASSIVE part of the story with that being the avengers breaking up literally leaving them in a state where when cap and tony died, neither of them woulda considered themsevles teammates anymore and while they still definantly cared about eachother, things really couldnt EVER go back to how they were because their thoughts on the skovia accords were too great..... thats the shit that truly made the mcu alive, it wasnt the story about thanos and the infinity stones so much as the characters themselves and the world they existed in most of all that truly mattered with the blip truly meant something as when half of all characters were snapped out with spidey and black panther being some of them, there was the fear that perhaps it was gonna be permanent and it was the true feeling of loss in the same way as-- eh oh yea spoiler alert for anyone who wants to watch one piece with if you havent and want to, dont read this until you have watched to episode 500.....
it brought about the same feeling as when ace died... the feeling of all the stories of his we had yet to see and all of the adventures he coulda gone on with us just.... gone....... it made him feel real in the most sureal sense as especially for those who have watched the wano and onigashima arcs, we have gotten to see some of the stories of aces that we coulda learned and its truly sad to know that we will never get to see them but in a way, it makes him feel so real that we feel the similar sorts of loss to having someone we know and for some, a loved one die truly connecting him to the audience in a way most characters that simply have their stories end without us seeing that far can never reach. its that exact fact that phase 4 has not only shown marvel / disney only cares about pushing a toxic and just flat out hurtful message while ignoring all nuance and ensuring it can never hear any arguments against its own as it does this also by basically raising the rotting corpses of our beloved heros to make them say the message so they can look at that and pretend that means their right because the character 'agreed' with them. like srly if they were to decide to go back to no way home and literally fucking flashpoint all of phase 4 and start again but this time with the directors who have worked on the previous phases and without the toxic disney ideal of pushing the extreme end of both femenism and representation than they might still have a chance to save marvel from death spiralling irreversably into at BARE MINIMUM irrevelevance or at worst, to the point of the death of marvel movies and shows at all.....
God I love your channel 😂 the❤ The Star Wars sequels made me gain a new appreciation for the prequal trilogy. Rocky should have ended after Apollo died. terminator should have ended after terminator 2 judgment day. There should have been no more Batman's after The Dark Knight trilogy, And alien should have ended after the 2nd film directed by James Cameron
Never watched this crap, just popped it to hear Alan Wilder’s bloody brilliant, Christmas Island used as Echo’s theme music. That man is a God amongst mortals. Team Wilder forever.
It took 10 SECONDS for me to immediately like this video.
The British accent and soothing voice?
this was the 1st but certainly not the last Marvel show i gave up on watching a few episodes in
Once I saw the review of Falcon and the winter soldier, I knew there was no point at even starting only to give up few episodes in
I was so excited for a winter soldier series. It was going to be dark, gritty, action packed and upclose look at Hydra's inner workings n complexities
I missed the memo that the new MCU hired writers are only concerned about social justice messages
Hasn't Dr Who suffered from the same problem?
Please don’t give them ideas
Jaws already died on a whimper
Hollywood doesn't like the idea that they didn't squeeze every last cent out of it
The creators of Dr Who should watch this intro.
Haha. You said "McMuffin". I'm guessing you enjoy Mauler's content. You have a similar tone... less joy perhaps, but that's OK. I've been enjoying your work. Thanks!
Apologies if it was in a different one of his videos, but I'm pretty sure he gave the EFAP attribution right before saying it.