I like the Rebar but imo Vic do saws better, as well as scissors. The saw on standard mid-sized Vics (Hiker, Huntsman, Farmer etc.) is longer and thicker than the one on the Rebar, which is disappointingly flimsy. My hard work combo is Farmer X and LM Bond.
I always use the rebar or 300 because I can throw it in my bag with out the tools becoming exposed while being tossed around. I had gotten a big gash in my hand from a wave that the knife had opened in my bag and reached for something that ended up with me getting 14 stitches on my hand. Ever since then I've been an avid closed tool user.
Just my experience: i really like that the super tool 300 has tools opening from inside the handle, simply because I've worked in dirty environments where the tool has been exposed to a lot of dirt grease etc... makes cleaning it up so much easier.
I was fixated on the Surge for the Tshank and bit driver, but all the edcs ran another bit screwdriver and for the price* difference, I'm getting a Wera screwdriver + Bosch bit set and a tshank handle to cover it. Todd Parker sold me on that idea by accident with his "My tool kit v2" video lol. Getting the Toolan 8 in 1 and a thread* nipper for a compact scissors is better way better in my book. Truly slept on the community on the Super Tool 300 Edit: thread and price typo
I'm still surprised there aren't more multi tools with 1/4" bit drivers on the outside!!! I love the supertool, but thanks for bringing these competitors to my attention.
I agree that the Bond (redux 2024), Rebar and ST300 are the best tools. I want a multitool that doesn’t have separate bit tools and eye glass screwdrivers etc, i want a portable toolbox. Those specialty 300’s will probably remain contracted to PX stores and DOD contracts. The tool the should reissue is the CRUNCH. IMO🤘
The Super Tool 300 offers everything the Surge does but without a t- shank adaptor and scissors but much lighter to carry. The older style fasteners make it easier to open but will it eventually get too much play and give in the tool? I love my Super Tool 300 and like the Surge too. I don't prefer outside implements to inside ones. It comes down to whether I like a tool and is it practical to use. The Super Tool 300 checks all the boxes for me.
I recently got the wave clone from harbor freight and it works perfectly picked up a st300 today because it's different and it's also great quality no more multitools needed
I love Victorinox, they invented a clip for the at that time around 20 year old Swisstool that changed how i carry it. That tool is well thought out(very few changes from 98 to the modern one), quality is second to none and it is sturdy like a tank. Yes the tools have to be pulled out via fingernails but with time you know exactly where everything is and they dont come out clumsy in a clump. The Supertool from my father feels ancient in comparison.
Surge is the king when it comes to overall capability Rebar is the king of value considering you get replaceable wire cutters and all locking tools for around $8 more than the Bond.
Good video, thanks!😊 the 2 Supertools in black were designed in part for military personnel duties, specifically to maintain their weapons...as you said, the Surge is more comfortable in hand than the 300, as well as the great outside tool set...that is why I chose the Surge...I also have my late father's Supertool, a viable multitool even today, but it "bites" like the 300 when you squeeze very hard.....having said all this, if I were starting out today, I would choose the 300 because it is a good tool for the price right now...as you know, the Surge is through the roof...
Some people like us, much prefer "traditional" value with any product. Loyalty to a brand might have something to do with it or the family been using such a product for generation. There's nothing better than getting that Buck 110 from great grandad unless he's got a 57 Chevy.! You see the picture. Our dad has a "super tool" multitool that cost him $20, been using it daily for almost two decades now. It gets loose so he tighten it. it gets dull so he sharpen it. It also bends then he bent it back. It wears off, he calls it mileage. It's not following the trend, his answer "why follow when you can lead". Our dad. Cheers mate from Australia.
Leatherman should make an all outside accessible tool with a 4 1/2” frame that has the free series style locking mechanism for all of the implements. The Surge has been my favorite stock Leatherman/multitool to date, however, it’s also the ONLY Leatherman I’ve ever broken (and multiple times) due to liner lock failure of the outside opening tools. If the ST300 had what I described above with one had opening knives (especially if it had scissors in ADDITION), I would much rather prefer that over the Surge. One way to add the scissors in may be to make a GOOD combo edge blade and put that in place of one of the knives.
This is why I got a SOG power access deluxe in the first place. It's similar but better. Although I don't think the philips is as sturdy than the leatherman one. But I think I should lean towards the beta tool. It does have the socket driver, scissors which is great I believe. To be honest They should make an other version of the super tool with outside tools. The philips can have the adapter. They can put large scissors and the t shank adapter. The thing is I think I hardly see outside tools with cover unless the cover isn't flimsy like in the SOG tool.
Excellent video! Well said! Then Leatherman should come out with Super Tool 400, Super Tool 400M, and the Super Tool EOD, all outside opening... The Arc is just too tiny to use, more for people working in Office Jobs to transit from using the Wave+/Charge+ to the Arc. I am still thinking when Leatherman will come out with the large version of the Arc, or rather, just make a Super Tool 400. XD
I have many Leathermans but sp300 is always the muscle, can't be replace, as for the frame you can actually have leverage to use the saw and the rest of the tools
Beta are a well respected mechanic's tool company in Europe, up there with , and sometimes better than Snap-On. A prime example is that the Ferrari F1 team supply their mechanics with Beta tool kits... 😉👍
For years we wanted a multi tool with no superfluous tools, pre leatherman it was Victorinox Swiss Army knives, but we always wanted a combination of he tools from different SAK’s. Roxon are bringing it with the Flex, a totally custom tool selection, you pick the tools that you want, buy long and short blanks to create your own tools, even download files to create your own tools. How long until Roxon produce a heavy duty version? Leatherman would then have no class leading tool.
Rebar and SuperTool are the last good multitools that Leatherman came out with IMO. I do industrial HVAC and have put a Rebar and a Gerber MP600 through hell over the years and they both held up. I have given away or sold every newer Gerber or Leatherman I have tried and kept those two.
Leathermans are pretty stiff out of the box. The best thing you can do is use them. They will naturally get easier and easier to use. Oil the pivots every now and then as well
You know in Europe it's even worse. Leatherman is great stuff but now they lean too much towards overpriced. This is the only reason I'm glad to see some competition here. If Leatherman can drop down their prices.
Cool video man! You did a good job. How did you get a pocket clip on your supertool? Also, I believe Victorianox is just copying what Leatherman does. Leatherman was the first and they make the best multitool!
@Johonavich49 I found a cool pistol mag clip that works great on multi tools on Amazon. The universal clip. It attaches through really tough 3m tape. But in this mod I used the nite ize pocket clip from Amazon that is much wider and also uses 3m tape.
We need a supertool 300 and rebar with victorinox scissors quality
I like the Rebar but imo Vic do saws better, as well as scissors. The saw on standard mid-sized Vics (Hiker, Huntsman, Farmer etc.) is longer and thicker than the one on the Rebar, which is disappointingly flimsy. My hard work combo is Farmer X and LM Bond.
@@simonh6371 Nice!
I always use the rebar or 300 because I can throw it in my bag with out the tools becoming exposed while being tossed around. I had gotten a big gash in my hand from a wave that the knife had opened in my bag and reached for something that ended up with me getting 14 stitches on my hand. Ever since then I've been an avid closed tool user.
I suppose if you burned yourself on the stove, due to your own stupidity, you would never use a stove again?
Wow, yeah if you’re just going to throw in a bag I agree that you need a closed tool, or out the Wave/Surge in a sheath
Just my experience: i really like that the super tool 300 has tools opening from inside the handle, simply because I've worked in dirty environments where the tool has been exposed to a lot of dirt grease etc... makes cleaning it up so much easier.
I have seen a guy mod a surge combined with a supertool 300 and a 300M and thought it was the best of both worlds
I agree, the philips is way more useful than the surge bit driver.
I was fixated on the Surge for the Tshank and bit driver, but all the edcs ran another bit screwdriver and for the price* difference, I'm getting a Wera screwdriver + Bosch bit set and a tshank handle to cover it. Todd Parker sold me on that idea by accident with his "My tool kit v2" video lol. Getting the Toolan 8 in 1 and a thread* nipper for a compact scissors is better way better in my book. Truly slept on the community on the Super Tool 300
Edit: thread and price typo
I'm still surprised there aren't more multi tools with 1/4" bit drivers on the outside!!! I love the supertool, but thanks for bringing these competitors to my attention.
You're welcome!
To tell It's been a while I got my eyes on the beta MT. But thanks to @hvacbudget8600 for his review.
I like hearing stories about tools history - thx!
I agree that the Bond (redux 2024), Rebar and ST300 are the best tools. I want a multitool that doesn’t have separate bit tools and eye glass screwdrivers etc, i want a portable toolbox. Those specialty 300’s will probably remain contracted to PX stores and DOD contracts. The tool the should reissue is the CRUNCH. IMO🤘
Crunch needs to come back!
The Super Tool 300 offers everything the Surge does but without a t- shank adaptor and scissors but much lighter to carry. The older style fasteners make it easier to open but will it eventually get too much play and give in the tool? I love my Super Tool 300 and like the Surge too. I don't prefer outside implements to inside ones. It comes down to whether I like a tool and is it practical to use. The Super Tool 300 checks all the boxes for me.
The Supertool is great!
I recently got the wave clone from harbor freight and it works perfectly picked up a st300 today because it's different and it's also great quality no more multitools needed
I love Victorinox, they invented a clip for the at that time around 20 year old Swisstool that changed how i carry it. That tool is well thought out(very few changes from 98 to the modern one), quality is second to none and it is sturdy like a tank. Yes the tools have to be pulled out via fingernails but with time you know exactly where everything is and they dont come out clumsy in a clump. The Supertool from my father feels ancient in comparison.
Outstanding vid. I have Surge and 300…
@@rockd8946 Thanks!
Surge is the king when it comes to overall capability Rebar is the king of value considering you get replaceable wire cutters and all locking tools for around $8 more than the Bond.
i wanted to get the 300m prybar on my 300 but it was going for $60 on ebay.
Little pricy!
Good video, thanks!😊 the 2 Supertools in black were designed in part for military personnel duties, specifically to maintain their weapons...as you said, the Surge is more comfortable in hand than the 300, as well as the great outside tool set...that is why I chose the Surge...I also have my late father's Supertool, a viable multitool even today, but it "bites" like the 300 when you squeeze very hard.....having said all this, if I were starting out today, I would choose the 300 because it is a good tool for the price right now...as you know, the Surge is through the roof...
Thanks! Great points!
@@hvacbudget8600 you are most welcome!
Some people like us, much prefer "traditional" value with any product. Loyalty to a brand might have something to do with it or the family been using such a product for generation. There's nothing better than getting that Buck 110 from great grandad unless he's got a 57 Chevy.! You see the picture. Our dad has a "super tool" multitool that cost him $20, been using it daily for almost two decades now. It gets loose so he tighten it. it gets dull so he sharpen it. It also bends then he bent it back. It wears off, he calls it mileage. It's not following the trend, his answer "why follow when you can lead". Our dad. Cheers mate from Australia.
Nice!!
How can you possibly tighten the super tool?
Everyday I'm carring supertool 300 , it's nod with porta bots and mini screwdrivet, other tool is gerber dual force, for me....perfect
Leatherman should make an all outside accessible tool with a 4 1/2” frame that has the free series style locking mechanism for all of the implements. The Surge has been my favorite stock Leatherman/multitool to date, however, it’s also the ONLY Leatherman I’ve ever broken (and multiple times) due to liner lock failure of the outside opening tools.
If the ST300 had what I described above with one had opening knives (especially if it had scissors in ADDITION), I would much rather prefer that over the Surge. One way to add the scissors in may be to make a GOOD combo edge blade and put that in place of one of the knives.
Great idea!
Can I ask if you recall what you were doing to cause the liner lock to fail? I imagine you were doing some sort of heavy duty task
This is why I got a SOG power access deluxe in the first place. It's similar but better. Although I don't think the philips is as sturdy than the leatherman one.
But I think I should lean towards the beta tool.
It does have the socket driver, scissors which is great I believe.
To be honest They should make an other version of the super tool with outside tools.
The philips can have the adapter.
They can put large scissors and the t shank adapter.
The thing is I think I hardly see outside tools with cover unless the cover isn't flimsy like in the SOG tool.
Excellent video! Well said! Then Leatherman should come out with Super Tool 400, Super Tool 400M, and the Super Tool EOD, all outside opening... The Arc is just too tiny to use, more for people working in Office Jobs to transit from using the Wave+/Charge+ to the Arc. I am still thinking when Leatherman will come out with the large version of the Arc, or rather, just make a Super Tool 400. XD
That would be fantastic if they would do that!
I have many Leathermans but sp300 is always the muscle, can't be replace, as for the frame you can actually have leverage to use the saw and the rest of the tools
If you want same quality and outside opening tools get the Leatherman arc
Yeah the supertool is really that, a super tool. The only reason i stopped carrying it is the weight,had to be in a holster, not pocketable.
I have the Leatherman Surge, but prefer the Letherman Supertool 300.
Beta are a well respected mechanic's tool company in Europe, up there with , and sometimes better than Snap-On.
A prime example is that the Ferrari F1 team supply their mechanics with Beta tool kits... 😉👍
Interesting!
In my opinion the tools on the inside makes for a more solid tool all around but who am I lol
For years we wanted a multi tool with no superfluous tools, pre leatherman it was Victorinox Swiss Army knives, but we always wanted a combination of he tools from different SAK’s.
Roxon are bringing it with the Flex, a totally custom tool selection, you pick the tools that you want, buy long and short blanks to create your own tools, even download files to create your own tools.
How long until Roxon produce a heavy duty version? Leatherman would then have no class leading tool.
A heavy duty Flex would be amazing!
The flex is the first thing I have seen in a long time that has caught my eye
Rebar and SuperTool are the last good multitools that Leatherman came out with IMO. I do industrial HVAC and have put a Rebar and a Gerber MP600 through hell over the years and they both held up. I have given away or sold every newer Gerber or Leatherman I have tried and kept those two.
Great to hear they have been so tough!
That’s encouraging to hear. I currently EDC a wave but am looking to get a Rebar.
What would you choose if you could only have one multitool?
@@NavinJ8 A Leatherman Surge.
Funny, I literally got a Surge today!
@NavinJ8 Wow!!
I just got one and the implements feel alittle gritty and knive you gotta really pull to open is that normal?
Not on mine but I think mine was used.
Leathermans are pretty stiff out of the box. The best thing you can do is use them. They will naturally get easier and easier to use. Oil the pivots every now and then as well
If they did this, they would find a way to do it using the Free platform.
Yeah and have to pay 300€
Honestly the Arc is by far the best Leatherman on the market now. I can’t remember the last time I used my surge or st300.
To make it a king of the market, LM should keep $100 price. I doubt it; they have preferred price kings lately.
You know in Europe it's even worse.
Leatherman is great stuff but now they lean too much towards overpriced. This is the only reason I'm glad to see some competition here. If Leatherman can drop down their prices.
Cool video man! You did a good job. How did you get a pocket clip on your supertool?
Also, I believe Victorianox is just copying what Leatherman does. Leatherman was the first and they make the best multitool!
@Johonavich49 I found a cool pistol mag clip that works great on multi tools on Amazon. The universal clip. It attaches through really tough 3m tape.
But in this mod I used the nite ize pocket clip from Amazon that is much wider and also uses 3m tape.
@@hvacbudget8600 cool!
Get rid of the 300m and 300 eod and bring back the crunch!
I still don't like it, the handles don't feel as stable as with other tools.
I know what you mean, but I’ve never managed to break one
I doubt it!SOG POWERACCESS ASSIST IS THE BEST MULTITOOL OUT THERE.