***** Well Season 3 and 4 were supposed to be great. They had planned to do Suicide Squad stuff, they even had a Harley Quinn casted. But Warner Brothers took the rights to all the Suicide Squad characters for their movie. That's why all the characters are gone. It's not Arrow's fault. They had to pull some shit out their ass last minute, and it just ended up being Olicity.
+Dan Van I am hating this scapegoat everyone is propping up. That is not the reason why Arrow Season 3 and 4 are bad. It I'd because they have bad writing. There is always a work around when events happen like that. It means that you are a good writer, but they aren't. They can't write to save their lives.
My biggest problem is not the choices that the character's makes, it's that half the time they never get addressed. Have flaws, make terrible choices; that's fine and it makes them more human and interesting but don't ignore them or the consequences.
"It's like Season 4: I'm frustrated, but I want more!" I could not agree with you more. Besides Curtis being on the team there doesn't seem like much to hang onto.
You guys need to watch Stephen Amell's Nerd HQ panel from this morning he explained how the new team, and him being mayor are all connected. Basically he is shirking his mayoral duties to do all Green Arrow things and Thea and Felicity are left trying to do all the mayoral stuff. It comes to breaking point where Felicity tells him he needs help because this isn't working.
The only reason they're in the other room is because the CW reactions are just Eric and Aaron so it only makes sense that they're the only ones for the teaser
An "Okay" trailer. Not great, not terrible. But that's exactly how I felt about the season 4 trailer and that Season was ruined by Olicity, inconsistent plots, terrible fight choreography, killing Black Canary to promote Olicity, Felicity family drama that seems like it was nearly every episode, and having Oliver be a secondary character in his own show. So consider me not optimistic in the slightest. The only way they get back to their season 1 and 2 quality is to hire competent writers and get rid of Mericle and Guggenheim. Won't be watching unless I hear from reputable sources (not Olicity idiots) that they've gotten back on track.
Entirely speculation but if flashpoint effected Arrow, Cisco might not have made the Green Arrow costume from S4, meaning we should have a different costume for S5.
Season 4 of Arrow was the worst TV series that I watched all the way through (I would've given it up a few episodes in but the possibility of Flash appearing made me keep watching). It's like since season 3 everything took a nose dive. The writing, the acting, the choreography, the continuity/plot-hole errors (though admittedly they always existed in the show to some degree). The worst parts of all are the love stories and the used, reused and reused again (and again and again and again) sub-plots and 'thing-ex-machina' occurences - especially regarding Thea's relationship with Malcolm. If I'm not pleading for more after the first episode of season five then it's the end of that show for me.
+Blind Wave LL's deathbed lines - she said Oliver's instinct was to kill & she made him promise to stop that habit! & to clear up your puzzle over Felicity, she's a techwhiz so you can't expect her to stay away from the exciting tech whatzits for long, that's why she was helping the team in Starling but she didn't tell Oliver coz she knew he's happy in Ivy Town & didn't want to burst his contented bubble. OLIVER CHOSE to return to Starling coz LL & his sister pleaded with him & said they were desperate for his help. & finally, Felicity decided to stay & help Oliver coz they're soulmates & she too can't turn a blind eye when Star City needs saving! So it's not fickleness & her choices are easy to understand.
Usually a trailer is made out of the most exciting bits of the season to get us all hyped for it. If those scenes showcased in the trailer are meant to be the highlights of the season then I don't have too much hope for it, unfortunately.
+Blind Wave You hit the nail on the head, guys Well said regarding the bandwagon phenom. While I agree the show could've done without the prolonged Mom&Dad drama, haters generally have one-track mind & are the proverbial lemmings. 80% of every episode is on Oliver Queen / Arrow & events revolving around him, including focus on his sidekicks in the field. The MAIN reasons GA's fight sequences suck in S4 (& latter part of S3) are coz the show had to (1) devote screentime to BC & Speedy & (2) make Speedy & especially the-less-than-convincing BC look good in their action scenes. It's so obvious to every impartial viewer. But comics stans are oblivious to it coz they are deep in denial & just prefer to heap All blame on Felicity, as you rightly say, Eric.
So I guess we are going to act like Mr. Terrific wasn't in the decathlon? Just for laughs let's have him fail at everything and have him be taught from scratch.
***** Maybe, Maybe not, but they are making the guy out to be a total novice. He isn't. He has a skillset that should allow him to make a decent attempt at the ladder. But we have to show that Oliver is special so decathlon athlete fall down and go ouch.
I disagree... 1) we just saw one scene of him trying the salmon ladder. 2)An athlete doesn't have to be good at everything physically demanding... He doesn't have to be good at fighting or doing the salmon ladder 3) The entire trailer is from the 1st two episodes. So hopefully with his decathlon skills he picks up lessons from Oliver faster and becomes the badass he is meant to be...
***** I'm not saying that he should master it, but he wouldn't look like the fool that he is in the trailer. You put Lebron James on that ladder, he aint falling backwards on his ass. I just hate how he was made to look like some goof off the street.
The problem is there is nothing to look forward to. Even the trailer was lack luster just like last season. Just feels so....meh. And I know we don't want to blame Felicity character, but c'mon.
You guys, don't go and start to understand Felicity lmao. I've given up on trying to understand her for a while now, and I honestly liked her before but?? Okay so she convinced Oliver to go back to Star City, she said she thought their life was BORING and while he was happy and he was healing in his life, she was the one to WANT to go back to "be a vigilante" (while okay, ur behind a computer screen u have the easy part of being a vigilante but okay). And then, two months later while he stood by her no matter what, she... DUMPS him? Because he was FORCED to lie? I mean, how is that that everyone else understood but not her?? And what she says when she dumps him, that they "can't have this life and be together" (guess what huney, that's what Oliver told you on s3 and you were all drama-queen, and then when he chose YOU, three months after you were "bored")? Girl you were the one who wanted to go back! One episode later he says that he's never been happier than when he had a normal life - man that scene broke my heart for Oliver. And then Felicity decides to leave the Team because "I can't handle it" - dude six months ago you wanted to COME BACK??! But now she's back on the team? Ugh. What about that team? His sister is the one who came into his happy life to guilt-trip him into coming back, and then she's the one to leave?? Wow okay, she's had some drama all through this season but: Oliver too?? And while he's lived through 8 horrible years, his whole team kept blaiming him over and over again "you can't love Oliver" "you aren't able to trust people Oliver" "you're a monster Oliver"- because what? He's still traumatized over his 5 horrible years away from home? Ugh, Team Hypocrisy.
these footage just annoyed . you scatter the team just to get some amateurs that oliver will be training . thats straight up dumb,i thought that at least a good portion of these season would be oliver alone. now we are going to have more side characters . i just dont get the writers of these show
I rarely comment on something, but this is getting ridiculous..I'm so tired of reading all those negative comments about the show and how Olicity and Felicity ruined it...Neither Olicity nor Felicity ruined the show, it's simply bad writing. Season 4 was ok up until 4.15. First half of the forth season was quite good. But after 4.15 writers have ruined any chance to repair the damage they've done. I don't remember people bitching about Olicity until Felicity broke up with Oliver. After that all the rage was unleashed. I'm not defending the path that writers chose to go, but seriously, stop being so venomous...every show has ups and downs. They chose the wrong way to develop Felicity's character, and yes, she was a whining bitch for the second half of season 4, but she was not the reason the finale was so bad, or the season in general. I just don't understand why watch the show you don't like so much? Just drop it and move on...
I dropped it, and yes it was mostly because of Felicity/Olicity......and no, it's not ridiculous, if Olicity had nothing to do with it, then noone would be saying anything about it. There's too many people not diggin' it for you to just try to discredit it.
Arrow has always been an average show. It's nothing I've been obsessed with. This seems like a mini-reboot, so I am excited for this next season. It might be where I decide if I want to continue watching it or not.
So far all the seasons have been good for me. granted 3 and 4 were quite as good as 1 and two, but they were still good, ESPECIALLY the latter half of season 3 where it got dark, which kind of had to happen to make the more campy elements of season 4 work, due wanting to be better. I wouldn't have worked at all otherwise, because it would have ONLY been campy, aside from the second half and I really enjoyed 4 because it felt like it had earned that lighter comic book style tone. the only REAL problem I've had so far was the whole olicity things which was getting old, but it looks like they're fixing that. So all in all, can't wait. It's too bad so called "fans" can only be negative. It's not like they're fictional chanters or anything...and to those who want to whine about there nostalgia, get over it. Laurel's dead? Cry me a river. I'm sure they'll bring her back some way, even if it is only a part time role...depending on the context and if not...Too bad. I guess they'll have to pick one a thousand different characters to choose from and if you still don't like it...too bad. Quit watching and you'll have nothing to whine about...not that you did to begin with. also, lets not pretend that internal conflict dies out over tv seasons. He may it may be lighter, but he is still human and actual conflicts drive that so should still be there. Hell they've even stated that that element will always be there. It's that kind of show. It would be silly to just get rid of it...and fake. It's the approach that needs to be different. I'm stoked for season five, it seems there going back to the more gritty elements, which is awesome, because as much as I like season three and four, I've missed those more grounded fight sequences. But clearly they are making it more grounded and the new characters seem cool (I don't judge them till I've seen what they can do assuming constant training under the GREEN ARROW, would be the same as a dojo..but what ever) so I'm happy. It looks dope and I can't wait.
Who was that?? Only the greatest Arrow villain ever
Deathstroke send their regards
Your set has almost as much green filter as season 4
Snap!!!
And yet it looks better
DUN DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN AARON!! Get hype
I LOVE IT WHEN THEY SAY THAT 😂😂😂
every time ;)
"I'm frustrated but I want more" lolololol. I have hopes for Arrow S5 though. I think it needed a big refresh.
***** Well Season 3 and 4 were supposed to be great. They had planned to do Suicide Squad stuff, they even had a Harley Quinn casted. But Warner Brothers took the rights to all the Suicide Squad characters for their movie. That's why all the characters are gone. It's not Arrow's fault. They had to pull some shit out their ass last minute, and it just ended up being Olicity.
+Dan Van I am hating this scapegoat everyone is propping up. That is not the reason why Arrow Season 3 and 4 are bad. It I'd because they have bad writing. There is always a work around when events happen like that. It means that you are a good writer, but they aren't. They can't write to save their lives.
I gave up on Arrow a looooong time ago, but I still watched this video because of Blind Wave.
Just saw the first episode, it is SO MUCH BETTER NOW. I wasn't planning on watching Arrow again, but now I am!
Final thoughts?
I fucking hated the no sleeves so I'm glad if they have changed that
Me too...
Even though it's from the comics and I'm all for that normally, I agree with you
My biggest problem is not the choices that the character's makes, it's that half the time they never get addressed. Have flaws, make terrible choices; that's fine and it makes them more human and interesting but don't ignore them or the consequences.
"It's like Season 4: I'm frustrated, but I want more!"
I could not agree with you more. Besides Curtis being on the team there doesn't seem like much to hang onto.
Lmao wrong
You guys need to watch Stephen Amell's Nerd HQ panel from this morning he explained how the new team, and him being mayor are all connected. Basically he is shirking his mayoral duties to do all Green Arrow things and Thea and Felicity are left trying to do all the mayoral stuff. It comes to breaking point where Felicity tells him he needs help because this isn't working.
blind wave is the best channel on youtube!!!!!!!!!!!!!❤
Loved the intro. Preach it, guys!
it really feels like everyone comes in when its their show for the reactions. Calvin and Shane are literally sitting in another room
The only reason they're in the other room is because the CW reactions are just Eric and Aaron so it only makes sense that they're the only ones for the teaser
their in the same room usually, they all have desks and use it as their office.
how many here think the person calling ' Green Arrow' at the end of the trailer is BARRY ALLEN, who comes for advice after flashpoint?
When you watch the first episode for the first of season 5... Your going nuts around your neighborhood and screaming Arrow is back
An "Okay" trailer. Not great, not terrible. But that's exactly how I felt about the season 4 trailer and that Season was ruined by Olicity, inconsistent plots, terrible fight choreography, killing Black Canary to promote Olicity, Felicity family drama that seems like it was nearly every episode, and having Oliver be a secondary character in his own show. So consider me not optimistic in the slightest. The only way they get back to their season 1 and 2 quality is to hire competent writers and get rid of Mericle and Guggenheim. Won't be watching unless I hear from reputable sources (not Olicity idiots) that they've gotten back on track.
Wait, why isn't Oliver in Flashpoint too? They're in the same universe.
good question
When the crossover episodes come, the flashpoint will be over by then. That's why Arrow stays the same.
Flashpoint creates a parallel universe, it doesn't change the original one.
Yeah but I don't think we will have any crossovers with flash and arrow until the flashpoint gets resolved.
So, would it be like the butterfly effect then?
Barry's Mom never dies, and somehow Oliver never gets on the Queen's Gambit?
I think the season 4 costume is loosely based on the new 52 version and that has ended now so that might be why there is a new costume????
I may have LOL'd at Eric saying "What now, Bruh?"
love the lighting
I'm glad someone share my perspective towards Felicity
Entirely speculation but if flashpoint effected Arrow, Cisco might not have made the Green Arrow costume from S4, meaning we should have a different costume for S5.
Affected*
And no, u wrong bud
DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN AAAARROOOOONNNNNNNNN 😂😂😂😂😂😂 SO GLAD YOU GUYS SAID THAT HERE
+Blind Wave I, for one, can't wait for S5 Arrow & your reax show after every ep.!
I'm pretty sure that was Anarchy in his full costume at the end
Season 4 of Arrow was the worst TV series that I watched all the way through (I would've given it up a few episodes in but the possibility of Flash appearing made me keep watching). It's like since season 3 everything took a nose dive. The writing, the acting, the choreography, the continuity/plot-hole errors (though admittedly they always existed in the show to some degree). The worst parts of all are the love stories and the used, reused and reused again (and again and again and again) sub-plots and 'thing-ex-machina' occurences - especially regarding Thea's relationship with Malcolm.
If I'm not pleading for more after the first episode of season five then it's the end of that show for me.
wild dog parents where killed he joined the military and now he's trained to kill and he's so awesome !
I loved Felicity...but I completely agree with Eric on the whole Felicity thing.
+Blind Wave LL's deathbed lines - she said Oliver's instinct was to kill & she made him promise to stop that habit!
& to clear up your puzzle over Felicity, she's a techwhiz so you can't expect her to stay away from the exciting tech whatzits for long, that's why she was helping the team in Starling but she didn't tell Oliver coz she knew he's happy in Ivy Town & didn't want to burst his contented bubble. OLIVER CHOSE to return to Starling coz LL & his sister pleaded with him & said they were desperate for his help. & finally, Felicity decided to stay & help Oliver coz they're soulmates & she too can't turn a blind eye when Star City needs saving! So it's not fickleness & her choices are easy to understand.
How come nobody listens to the soundtrack of the trailer? There is a clear message behind that not so arrow-y track...
elaborate?
It's Flash's time-travel theme from "Out of Time" episode...
OMG I didn't notice that.I didnt like the trailer but it makes the it so much better now.
It's funny how because Aaron has a hard on for Felicity he gets bothered by any negative talk about her
this season of arrow, oliver is going to quit being the green arrow to drive a ice cream truck....true story
Finally, something interesting is going to happen.
Isn't MadDog the boxer who was training Laurel when she first was becoming Black Canary?
+Steve Doherty This newbie is called WildDog.
Wildcat
May be the dark ulgy face guy at the end is Tommy Merlin ?
Totally agreed guys! you have converted me!
I hope this season isn't a let down
looks like trash already.
+dimkacracker to you maybe
Usually a trailer is made out of the most exciting bits of the season to get us all hyped for it. If those scenes showcased in the trailer are meant to be the highlights of the season then I don't have too much hope for it, unfortunately.
+Blind Wave You hit the nail on the head, guys Well said regarding the bandwagon phenom. While I agree the show could've done without the prolonged Mom&Dad drama, haters generally have one-track mind & are the proverbial lemmings. 80% of every episode is on Oliver Queen / Arrow & events revolving around him, including focus on his sidekicks in the field. The MAIN reasons GA's fight sequences suck in S4 (& latter part of S3) are coz the show had to (1) devote screentime to BC & Speedy & (2) make Speedy & especially the-less-than-convincing BC look good in their action scenes. It's so obvious to every impartial viewer. But comics stans are oblivious to it coz they are deep in denial & just prefer to heap All blame on Felicity, as you rightly say, Eric.
the canary chuck will be Artemis
Honestly, I think that Oliver looks better with sleeves
Pitchforks and torches lol
I don't get it. Didn't Flashpoint happened?
The Death Battle theme is very similar to the Arrow theme.
Aaron really wants the ninja turtle set.😂
Congratulations and hey, if it turns out to be a girl you can call her Felicity or Daisy just spite Eric.
You guys should do the second Sausage Party red band trailer next. that would be hilarious
the chick from last season who tried to be black canary is going to be arrowette.
Theory: Oliver lays the foundation for the Teen Titans or the Justice League, which will be the successor show.
So I guess we are going to act like Mr. Terrific wasn't in the decathlon? Just for laughs let's have him fail at everything and have him be taught from scratch.
Doesn't mean he can do the Salmon Ladder... ;)
***** Maybe, Maybe not, but they are making the guy out to be a total novice. He isn't. He has a skillset that should allow him to make a decent attempt at the ladder. But we have to show that Oliver is special so decathlon athlete fall down and go ouch.
I disagree...
1) we just saw one scene of him trying the salmon ladder.
2)An athlete doesn't have to be good at everything physically demanding... He doesn't have to be good at fighting or doing the salmon ladder
3) The entire trailer is from the 1st two episodes. So hopefully with his decathlon skills he picks up lessons from Oliver faster and becomes the badass he is meant to be...
***** I'm not saying that he should master it, but he wouldn't look like the fool that he is in the trailer. You put Lebron James on that ladder, he aint falling backwards on his ass. I just hate how he was made to look like some goof off the street.
The problem is there is nothing to look forward to. Even the trailer was lack luster just like last season. Just feels so....meh. And I know we don't want to blame Felicity character, but c'mon.
GAME OF THRONES S6 Bloopers AND S7 Teaser pleeeeeease
she's confirmed to be artemiss not black canary
I hope they make a young justice show since the girl is artemisia
I love Arrow, I just wish it was as good as Seasons 1 & 2, I'll always watch it though.
You guys, don't go and start to understand Felicity lmao. I've given up on trying to understand her for a while now, and I honestly liked her before but?? Okay so she convinced Oliver to go back to Star City, she said she thought their life was BORING and while he was happy and he was healing in his life, she was the one to WANT to go back to "be a vigilante" (while okay, ur behind a computer screen u have the easy part of being a vigilante but okay). And then, two months later while he stood by her no matter what, she... DUMPS him? Because he was FORCED to lie? I mean, how is that that everyone else understood but not her?? And what she says when she dumps him, that they "can't have this life and be together" (guess what huney, that's what Oliver told you on s3 and you were all drama-queen, and then when he chose YOU, three months after you were "bored")? Girl you were the one who wanted to go back! One episode later he says that he's never been happier than when he had a normal life - man that scene broke my heart for Oliver. And then Felicity decides to leave the Team because "I can't handle it" - dude six months ago you wanted to COME BACK??! But now she's back on the team? Ugh. What about that team? His sister is the one who came into his happy life to guilt-trip him into coming back, and then she's the one to leave?? Wow okay, she's had some drama all through this season but: Oliver too?? And while he's lived through 8 horrible years, his whole team kept blaiming him over and over again "you can't love Oliver" "you aren't able to trust people Oliver" "you're a monster Oliver"- because what? He's still traumatized over his 5 horrible years away from home? Ugh, Team Hypocrisy.
Looks like Scarecrow is in this.
She's going to play character from Young Justice
Lol better look out with your spoiler stuff. They gonna mute your ass before you know it :P
Flashpoint changed his costume
Can Y'all guys React to DEATH BATTLE Ratchet & Clank VS Jak & Daxter? PLEASE?
Anyone else hear the Flash soundtrack in this trailer?
God please let season 5 be awesome season 3 and 4 were garbage
+chaosrex1487 they used death stroke to early, he was awesome
+chaosrex1487 they used death stroke to early, he was awesome
Well the writers from seasons 1 and 2 are back so hopefully it will be good
these footage just annoyed . you scatter the team just to get some amateurs that oliver will be training . thats straight up dumb,i thought that at least a good portion of these season would be oliver alone. now we are going to have more side characters . i just dont get the writers of these show
I rarely comment on something, but this is getting ridiculous..I'm so tired of reading all those negative comments about the show and how Olicity and Felicity ruined it...Neither Olicity nor Felicity ruined the show, it's simply bad writing. Season 4 was ok up until 4.15. First half of the forth season was quite good. But after 4.15 writers have ruined any chance to repair the damage they've done. I don't remember people bitching about Olicity until Felicity broke up with Oliver. After that all the rage was unleashed. I'm not defending the path that writers chose to go, but seriously, stop being so venomous...every show has ups and downs. They chose the wrong way to develop Felicity's character, and yes, she was a whining bitch for the second half of season 4, but she was not the reason the finale was so bad, or the season in general.
I just don't understand why watch the show you don't like so much? Just drop it and move on...
I dropped it, and yes it was mostly because of Felicity/Olicity......and no, it's not ridiculous, if Olicity had nothing to do with it, then noone would be saying anything about it. There's too many people not diggin' it for you to just try to discredit it.
Arrow has always been an average show. It's nothing I've been obsessed with. This seems like a mini-reboot, so I am excited for this next season. It might be where I decide if I want to continue watching it or not.
So far all the seasons have been good for me. granted 3 and 4 were quite as good as 1 and two, but they were still good, ESPECIALLY the latter half of season 3 where it got dark, which kind of had to happen to make the more campy elements of season 4 work, due wanting to be better. I wouldn't have worked at all otherwise, because it would have ONLY been campy, aside from the second half and I really enjoyed 4 because it felt like it had earned that lighter comic book style tone. the only REAL problem I've had so far was the whole olicity things which was getting old, but it looks like they're fixing that. So all in all, can't wait. It's too bad so called "fans" can only be negative. It's not like they're fictional chanters or anything...and to those who want to whine about there nostalgia, get over it. Laurel's dead? Cry me a river. I'm sure they'll bring her back some way, even if it is only a part time role...depending on the context and if not...Too bad. I guess they'll have to pick one a thousand different characters to choose from and if you still don't like it...too bad. Quit watching and you'll have nothing to whine about...not that you did to begin with. also, lets not pretend that internal conflict dies out over tv seasons. He may it may be lighter, but he is still human and actual conflicts drive that so should still be there. Hell they've even stated that that element will always be there. It's that kind of show. It would be silly to just get rid of it...and fake. It's the approach that needs to be
different. I'm stoked for season five, it seems there going back to the more gritty elements, which is awesome, because as much as I like season three and four, I've missed those more grounded fight sequences. But clearly they are making it more grounded and the new characters seem cool (I don't judge them till I've seen what they can do assuming constant training under the GREEN ARROW, would be the same as a dojo..but what ever) so I'm happy. It looks dope and I can't wait.
Lmao, ur life is sad
Without even reading the show, I bet there is going to be a lot of hate comments towards the show in the comment section
Can you do Lego batman trailer?
They r making the fake black canary from season 4 artemis
i live for spoilers lol ive watched the finale of season 2 of the flash before watching the whole season
Anyone els notice arrows production has been going down lately. Flash and LoT has a waaay bigger budget it seems
This season better be decent, and by decent I mean less Felicity.
Don't let Aaron hear you say that. He doesn't hide his crush for Felicity :p
The group of writers for arrrow are a group of women i dont think Olicity is going anywhere soon
Is it me or did he sound like Andrew Garfield?
I love Arrow but I can't deny that it sucks now
I mean S4 was straight shit, but I mean this actually looks somewhat more interesting. Let's hope to God they don't fuck it up again
Just remember that Season 4's trailer looked alright as well. And we see how that turned out.
Please writers don't fuck up
I'm early!!
They can keep it. Looks terrible.
meh
Goddamn this looks bad.
Arrow is trash
This show just keeps getting worse and worse
9 months later.. Deathstroke, Prometheus, Nyssa, Talia,!(;
SuperSpeedster With A Quiver 1 year later: THIS DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING, HOSS
I always thought they were using leds for background