Thank you, this was very helpful for us until we get a get an outdoor wired charge point in the next few weeks. I have a 1mm cord with similar attachments, but I've only been using it during the day, so that I can keep an eye on the temperature. This is very reassuring. I did get the Australian 15A rated cable, but then discovered it had the larger earth, so back to Bunnings we went!
Thank you Andy for your great videos! I recently got a 2018 Outlander PHEV and still look into a rental with a garage!! But this is good to know that I can charge it with extension! It brings more into my listed rentals!
@@josenunes8839 Hola :D Por favor send link to get an idea what type of extension cable? I live on 2nd floor in a block of flats with parking very nearby. Whats the longest I can use safely? Gracias.
Always worth buying power cables that can handle higher current, have better quality plugs, sockets and thicker insulation. How about RCD's and surge protection? I presume the charger and car also has decent protection built in? Power looms (cables bundled together) would be de-rated due to heat build up.
It would be good to know the voltage drop to your charger. Also it would be much better to eliminate the connectors by having a single cable, rather than two or more. Not many would consider using that length of cable. The commonest use of extension lead here is charging from a socket inside the house to the car outside. The main concern seems to be the fire risk from poor connectors and small diameter cables. I would be interested to know the current coming out of and into the supplied charger that comes with the car. A suitable extension lead and connectors might then be bought or made up. What about inductance losses and heating with coiling of leads? I charge at home from an outside socket and don’t bother at other times. In England the three pin plug is much more substantial than Australia or NZ. The dealers here say don’t use extension leads, so I haven’t. The leads and connectors also need to be waterproof.
Very helpful video however, although I realize it was only for the experiment, the number of cables and the total length was very unrealistic. Can't imagine anyone using that length in a real life situation. I use one 10 mtr. extra heavy duty 15 amp extension cable. Neverthe less, thank you for such an instructional video.
Question! My PHEV came with a charging cabel, and also a cable with a brick in the middle, to convert 230V to whatever the car needs (let's call this the charge-at-home cable). Now I'm wondering, seeing as extension cables need to meet proper specifications: can I use the charging cable to extend the charge-at-home cable? And what would be the impact in terms of power loss. Thank you.
Chucked out one cable that was feeling a bit hot when I used it. Now use a 15amp caravan cable 25m long (1.5mm), connecting to an amphibian. Need to be that long to connect to power at our house
Andy, interesting video's I'm in a battle at the moment as I purchased the 2920 Outlander and was told I can use an extension cable. No other information given by sales. In my research to finding what type cable I should use, read in the car's manual that an extension cable should NOT be used. Contacted Mitsubishi Canada which told me using a cable is hazardous and would void the warranty were any damage to occur. Not a chance I'm willing to take.... Hence my battle with the dealership to get my money back.
unplugged EV yrs. I find this car only economically and environmentally viable if it can be plugged in every night at home. Otherwise, considering distances and speed traveled in this country, it is a terribly inefficient hybrid. I didn't give up my prius for this.
Thanks for a great video Andy. Early this year I changed my PHEV using extension cable which coiled up, and it completely meltdown the plastic of the socket and plug. I don't understand why Mitsubishi doesn't explain this to consumers when buying the car.
As most should know using an extension cord to charge an EV is usually not a good idea. When I first got my Outlander PHEV I didn't have a Level 2 charger installed and the garage plug was too far away with the OEM L1 cord Mitsubishi provided so I went and brought a industrial-use 12 gauge wire extension cord to use for a month. It works and I frequently check for heat on the cord & plugs but it worked well.
How long was the extension cord you were using? I am considering using a 9-10 foot long 12 gauge cord and to connect it to a 15 amp outlet in the garage. The outlet is in the ceiling, so the way I set it now requires me to permanently attach the charging cable box (the one which came with my car) next to the outlet, and I would like to have an option of being able to disconnect it and bring the charging cable with us on trips. We do have a LVL 2 charger in the garage as well, but I still have to use the Mitsubishi OEM charging cable once in the while when we charge both of our cars simultaneously. Thank you in advance for your response.
This is our restorative heat which causes problems here. Induction is not a problem because the electric fields are basically eliminating each other due do having the current flowing in both directions in the same cable. Active and neutral are so close together that there is almost no magnetic field left.
I don't understand why is it that U.S spec level 1 typically(120v 8 to 12 amps) is publicized as LESS efficient if slower charging results in less heat loss in your testing? I've charged my i3 daily on 240v 32a thinking I was doing a favor to my energy bill & the battery (the manual recommends to set the higher option when possible for this vehicle.)
Lower voltage means more amps to have the same power. More amps equalize in more heat loss though. You have 110V and 10A to deliver 1100W. At 220V it needs only 5A to achieve the same power, so half the loses.
Hi Andy, good to know in what conditions to use extension cables. I was wondering if there is any difference between using extensions before EVSE (like you did) and using extensions after EVSE (using compatible plugs)?
Yes, there is a difference: the price. J1772 extension cables are of course way more expensive and there is no need to extend the cable after the EVSE.
Hello phev lovers, just want to get an advise, is it ideal to charge (plug in charge) the outlander as soon as It is low battery? Or I mean everyday? Thank you.
My extention cable arrived today 21/05 and I'm going to watch this first before going to use it.
The best scientific explanation on extension cables - THANK YOU!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Andy, perfect for explaining it to those who don’t understand volts/amps/kW and voltage drop from resistance. 👍
Thanks for the detailed experiment/trouble shooting. We're feeling more confident about using a 12AWG 3x3.31mm extension cord to charge the car.
I also charge the Tesla from that during holiday. No problem at all ;)
Thank you, this was very helpful for us until we get a get an outdoor wired charge point in the next few weeks. I have a 1mm cord with similar attachments, but I've only been using it during the day, so that I can keep an eye on the temperature. This is very reassuring. I did get the Australian 15A rated cable, but then discovered it had the larger earth, so back to Bunnings we went!
thanks, it's always worth to watch videos with high value content, like yours!
Thank you Andy for your great videos! I recently got a 2018 Outlander PHEV and still look into a rental with a garage!! But this is good to know that I can charge it with extension! It brings more into my listed rentals!
I have a 25mt cable with 1.5mm and ip44( water resistant) and never had any problem.
@@josenunes8839 Hola :D Por favor send link to get an idea what type of extension cable? I live on 2nd floor in a block of flats with parking very nearby. Whats the longest I can use safely? Gracias.
@@japanluv I know this is old, but how long entirely depends on the gauge of the wire.
@@Joesolo13 Thanks. Gave up on the idea and mainly charge at work at dedicated charging points.
Always worth buying power cables that can handle higher current, have better quality plugs, sockets and thicker insulation. How about RCD's and surge protection? I presume the charger and car also has decent protection built in? Power looms (cables bundled together) would be de-rated due to heat build up.
Very helpful 👍
Glad to hear that
You can short-circuit the end of the cable and the 10a fuse may not trip. The long cables will work like a lightbulb.
If the cable is long enough that is correct.
It would be good to know the voltage drop to your charger. Also it would be much better to eliminate the connectors by having a single cable, rather than two or more. Not many would consider using that length of cable. The commonest use of extension lead here is charging from a socket inside the house to the car outside. The main concern seems to be the fire risk from poor connectors and small diameter cables. I would be interested to know the current coming out of and into the supplied charger that comes with the car. A suitable extension lead and connectors might then be bought or made up. What about inductance losses and heating with coiling of leads? I charge at home from an outside socket and don’t bother at other times. In England the three pin plug is much more substantial than Australia or NZ. The dealers here say don’t use extension leads, so I haven’t. The leads and connectors also need to be waterproof.
Very helpful video however, although I realize it was only for the experiment, the number of cables and the total length was very unrealistic. Can't imagine anyone using that length in a real life situation. I use one 10 mtr. extra heavy duty 15 amp extension cable. Neverthe less, thank you for such an instructional video.
Hi,👋superb performance fantastic very useful information thanks
Question! My PHEV came with a charging cabel, and also a cable with a brick in the middle, to convert 230V to whatever the car needs (let's call this the charge-at-home cable). Now I'm wondering, seeing as extension cables need to meet proper specifications: can I use the charging cable to extend the charge-at-home cable? And what would be the impact in terms of power loss. Thank you.
Chucked out one cable that was feeling a bit hot when I used it. Now use a 15amp caravan cable 25m long (1.5mm), connecting to an amphibian. Need to be that long to connect to power at our house
Andy, interesting video's I'm in a battle at the moment as I purchased the 2920 Outlander and was told I can use an extension cable. No other information given by sales. In my research to finding what type cable I should use, read in the car's manual that an extension cable should NOT be used. Contacted Mitsubishi Canada which told me using a cable is hazardous and would void the warranty were any damage to occur. Not a chance I'm willing to take.... Hence my battle with the dealership to get my money back.
You want to give the car back because of that?
unplugged EV yrs. I find this car only economically and environmentally viable if it can be plugged in every night at home. Otherwise, considering distances and speed traveled in this country, it is a terribly inefficient hybrid. I didn't give up my prius for this.
DETA 2.5 square mm copper 40m cable is cheap at Bunnings.
Thanks for a great video Andy. Early this year I changed my PHEV using extension cable which coiled up, and it completely meltdown the plastic of the socket and plug. I don't understand why Mitsubishi doesn't explain this to consumers when buying the car.
It's clearly stated in the car's manual.
As most should know using an extension cord to charge an EV is usually not a good idea. When I first got my Outlander PHEV I didn't have a Level 2 charger installed and the garage plug was too far away with the OEM L1 cord Mitsubishi provided so I went and brought a industrial-use 12 gauge wire extension cord to use for a month. It works and I frequently check for heat on the cord & plugs but it worked well.
How long was the extension cord you were using?
I am considering using a 9-10 foot long 12 gauge cord and to connect it to a 15 amp outlet in the garage.
The outlet is in the ceiling, so the way I set it now requires me to permanently attach the charging cable box (the one which came with my car) next to the outlet, and I would like to have an option of being able to disconnect it and bring the charging cable with us on trips.
We do have a LVL 2 charger in the garage as well, but I still have to use the Mitsubishi OEM charging cable once in the while when we charge both of our cars simultaneously.
Thank you in advance for your response.
hi andy i heard about induction problem if you dont uncoil the electric cable is it what you spoke about in this video ?
This is our restorative heat which causes problems here. Induction is not a problem because the electric fields are basically eliminating each other due do having the current flowing in both directions in the same cable. Active and neutral are so close together that there is almost no magnetic field left.
I don't understand why is it that U.S spec level 1 typically(120v 8 to 12 amps) is publicized as LESS efficient if slower charging results in less heat loss in your testing? I've charged my i3 daily on 240v 32a thinking I was doing a favor to my energy bill & the battery (the manual recommends to set the higher option when possible for this vehicle.)
Lower voltage means more amps to have the same power. More amps equalize in more heat loss though.
You have 110V and 10A to deliver 1100W. At 220V it needs only 5A to achieve the same power, so half the loses.
Hi Andy, good to know in what conditions to use extension cables. I was wondering if there is any difference between using extensions before EVSE (like you did) and using extensions after EVSE (using compatible plugs)?
Yes, there is a difference: the price. J1772 extension cables are of course way more expensive and there is no need to extend the cable after the EVSE.
Unfortunately, Germans migrated to Australia too late to have a properly engineered grid!
Indeed, a good German would never buy cheap cables! :-P
Hello phev lovers, just want to get an advise, is it ideal to charge (plug in charge) the outlander as soon as It is low battery? Or I mean everyday? Thank you.
Yes, always follow the ABC rule.
Always
Be
Charging
Less current = more efficient
the red and yellow leads are 25m not 20m
Is that right?
@@unpluggedEV yea i have the same ones one still has the the tag on it says 25m click brand