Do they look different from what a perfect averaging of their parents features ought to look like? Are they taller than both parents? Do they have a sibling which ISN'T an identical twin? If so, then you have two individuals who are both drawn from the same pool of genes that didn't turn out identically TA-DAAAA variation! Ever seen the product of two pure bred dogs of different breeds?
These morons just go around from show to show making a fool of themselves. It's a circuit, week after week, calling and acting like idiots because they can't figure out what they're doing wrong and don't actually care. These people need professional help and continuing to take their calls isn't helping.
Patrick lacks the critical thinking skills to wipe the drool from his chin. I'm always amazed that he can form words with his mouth without accidentally setting the house on fire.
Johnny: let me give you a clear and succinct explanation of what I mean by atheism and why it doesn't involve faith. Patrick: thank you for your explanation. But I still think atheism is a faith. Patrick, if you're incapable of listening, you're not worth talking to.
Theistic "thinking" in a nutshell. They're so deeply indoctrinated with blind faith they're not capable to imagine or comprehend exostence of anything without faith.
If he's going to call the universe god then I reserve the right to call cars pickles, fish- rocks and telephones- wolverines. Also, left is now right. And right is blue. 🤦♂️🤷🏼♂️😆
Could be a desperate attempt to sneak a god in through the back door. What’s the biggest most impressive thing we can literally perceive?… it’s the universe, so if we just call that god, boom, god.
Patrick needs to strawman atheists in order to feel good about his belief in a god that he can’t really define. He says it himself that he has no evidence for his claim. End of conversation!
I’m very disappointed that Patrick didn’t utter the phrases “What in tarnation,” “Dagnabbit,” “That tears it,” or “Well, I’ll be” a single time during this call.
Wow, just wow. Imagine the level of disconnect that you need to say: Well, I'm just guessing. Everyone is just guessing. I don't really know what sort of evidence there could be. And then say that not accepting a wishy washy guess is equivalent to faith. Here we have a person who is so enamored with their definitions that they're just jumping at any slight misstep to claim his position is the right one, and that those they disagres with are wrong by an equal measure.
Can't remember where I heard it, but a turn of phrase that I think encapsulates the common attitudes of folks like Patrick: "Vaguely gesturing at an ill-defined, perceived hypocrisy."
If you define faith as "anything you think or believe" then I have faith the sun is going down tonight. Everything becomes faith, so faith becomes just another word for an opinion. Factual or otherwise.
A line from Billy Madison comes to mind: "At no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it"
This caller is just like flat earthers starting to show that he just doesn't get geography when someone asks them to give their evidence for flat Earth...
I was wondering this too. Matt makes some good points and seems to know his shit for the most part, I don't always agree with everything he says, but I don't agree entirely with these guys either, so I'm curious where the animosity comes from, if indeed it was animosity and not just joking, but it did sound like real animosity. So yeah, if anyone knows the story there I would love to hear it.
Isn’t it obvious though? How bitter and aggressive has Matt become, anyone who’s watched enough AE over the years should have observed this. He’ll snap his co-hosts and more often than not swear and blow up! Id be surprised if there wasn’t any drama behind the scenes in the community.
Matt can be quite prickly even to his cohosts plus if everytime someone calls in, they are gonna reference Matt in some way, this combination has to be tiring to these guys so they are going push back somehow. That's my view anyway.
Say as you like. Until you can demonstrate the validity of the claim I don't believe you. I don't care how influential a person is or was, popularity doesn't make you correct.
I wonder how many of us recognize this long time caller? As soon as i heard the voice i knew this was going to be something that was hard to listen to lol.
I just posted a comment about it being long overdue, one of the nurses in the "home" should have smothered him by now...absent that, PUT DOWN THE FUCKING BONG, PATRICK!
Here are some Einstein quotes I collected to reply to people who believe in the same God as Einstein: “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. (1954)” The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)
one word man , sundayschool people normally get a basis to understand the other things you learn throughout your life what do you learn in sundayschool ? the total opposite ... well ... america is what you get , a country broken beyond repair , filled with people who can't tie their own effing shoes without an instruction manual , a powerpoint presentation and an audiobook to go with it , not even then ... what are we doing here ? this world has been dying for the last 2000 years , absolutely slowly Dying
I am an atheist. What would allow me to believe in the existence of God? I actually have an answer: If I had a brain injury that destroyed my ability to think in logical and reasoned arguments, and believe with minimal or zero evidence of whatever the discussion was about, then I could believe in the argument that a God exists. The problem is that even if that happened, the actual objective evidence of the existence of a God is still not provided. That is a major problem, no?
The goof calls all the shows w/ the same boring argument. “You have faith too…” This shows you more the importance of making your argument look equally silly than it is to make their argument look strong.
Not that I care that much about him but is Matt Dillahunty canceled or something? I see that people hVe left his show and now kinda talk negative about him.
Pantheism like this is so annoying to me. Their arguments are always so vague and empty, bc they refuse to make any actual claim they'd have to defend. They just lug that goal post around with them and act like it makes perfect sense. "The universe is a natural god, so there's nothing supernatural about it." Okay, so you essentially just have a cute nickname for the universe. You call the universe "God?" Okay, I refer to my cat as my son, and sometimes my sister calls me "Toilet."
He’s been bitter and a bit aggressive for years now, Id be surprised if there wasn’t some sort of beef behind the scenes. I often think “who’d want to co-host with him?”
Nothing more obnoxious than believers insisting that it takes faith to be an atheist (newsflash - it doesn't). It's not just the ignorance in that statement, but also how telling it is that they see faith in such a negative light that they feel obligated to put that bad label on atheists to even the score. I have more respect for people that just admit that their faith is a very important component of their belief system and have the critical thinking skills to also know that atheists don't have that gene.
Evidencing a god is easy. Just produce your deity for examination, testing, and questioning to see if it can live up to all of the claims made for it. As fas as I can tell, gods are only subjectively real, they exist only in the minds of individual believers, and every believer appears to have a unique god. If any god is objectively real, if that god is a part of objective reality, the reality that we all share, then presenting it for scientific examination should not be a problem at all.
I've had phyciatrists ask me " do you hear voices? Yes then you are mad. Do you hear god speaking to you Yes . Okay we will let that pass you will not be put in a padded cell
Frustrating though these theist callers often are, they serve a useful function in demonstrating the repetitive dishonesty of their arguments. Because that seems to be all they've got, ever, I've gradually become disinclined to give theists the benefit of the doubt, and instead now have the habit of looking for the core fallacies in their arguments. These aren't hard to spot. Most are extremely unsophisticated, but even the relatively sophisticated ones turn out, in my experience, to be based on bare assertion or question begging, at base, covered over by some kind of smokescreen, deflection, or simple unintelligibility. In a world of Internet scams, it's good practice to spot the fallacy. I find it relaxing, like doing a crossword puzzle.
When I first started dealing with religious apologists online, I used to keep a list of the logical fallacies handy. I referred to it so often that I no longer need to keep the list handy.😈
Patrick's insistence that atheism means no God exists sounds so petulant, almost bitter. I wonder if he lost a relationship to his deist nonsense in the past and just never got over it? Now he fester in the Darth Dawkins Discord cesspools just looking for any way to make it someone else's responsibility to invalidate his idiocy. I wish these shows worked harder to pass around the 'troll callers' list so that the hosts don't waste time trying to engage them honestly. Patrick at least has the decency(arrogance?) to use the same name each time so he'd be easy to freeze out.
If the universe is god, then I am a part of god. So, if atheism is an idea in my mind, it is an idea in the mind of god. Therefore, atheism is a valid spiritual path!
@@jameswalton4259 Actually if you look into the concept seriously you will find that the idea is expressed as, the absolute reality knowing itself. Atheism is just one way this happens. My comment was intended for people like Patrick who say the the universe is god and overlook the fact that they are part of the universe.
@@sigmaoctantis1892 ‘if’ speculation is fun, but for those of us who value accuracy and truth, well speculation without purpose isn’t all to functional.
@@norswil8763 Yes. I was having fun. A more complete explanation of my comment follows. There are two distinctly different mythic systems. One posits that a creator god is separate from its creation. Consider Christianity in this category. All one can do is form a relationship with the god, you look outwards and here is a book that tells you exactly what the god wants you to do. The other system posits that the ground of our being is, not a god but some form of consciousness. In this kind of system you look within to find the ultimate reality. I find that many "pantheists" who call in, stating "the universe is god" fail to realise that they are part of that god, part of the universe. Consider Hinduism wherein atheism is a valid spiritual position. Patrick in this video, although he doesn't state it, argues on the assumption that there can be separation of humans from the universe. He clearly does not understand his stated worldview.
Yeah, pantheists call the universe ‘god’… it’s just relabelling something that exists as ‘god’ and then saying, “God does exist!” When really… it’s just the universe. It’s an arbitrary position.
@@Uctus8 Yes. Pan is Greek for "all". Theon comes from the Greek theion, which means holy. Theion derives from theos, meaning God, but refers to the holy nature of the deity(ies). Pantheism adds in the -ism suffix, which refers to the state of belief. A PANTHEON is list of “all the deities.” That is, all of the deities a group of people collectively respect or worship is their PANTHEON. PANTHEISM is the belief that the deities ARE everything. Not “all of the deities” but rather “all the things ARE the deities.”
@@wyldink1 confusing, the greek gods(at least) were/are everything imo. Gaia the earth Uranus the sky, basically everything. Kronos time. the smaller gods followed to explain smaller details up to mortals that were cursed/blessed by the gods sure, u can argue Apollo was not the sun but the sun would not be without Apollo. no? feels like pantheism is lazy polytheism...religion is confusing, anyway thx
A particular action or choice is moral or right when it promotes happiness, wellbeing, or health and minimizes serious harm or suffering. A particular action or choice is immoral or wrong when it diminishes happiness, wellbeing, or health and causes serious harm or suffering. Morality does not need religion. The world would have been much better off without religion stifling scientific progress for over a thousand years. How many millions have died in history in the name of religion? How has any god helped the millions of women and children that die or suffer from abuse each year? Go to a children's hospital and tell all the children and parents there that their suffering for months and years is a god's will.
Patrick does have a nice voice but his opinions on religion are not interesting. Mind you I would be open to hearing him on some other subject. I get the impression he might be a fun guy at parties and might be a great raconteur. But on religion no thanks.
Another silly caller who wants to talk about what somebody else said. They’re like young children who haven’t learned any logic. Patrick reminds me of that speech from Billy Madison that starts with “Nowhere in that rambling incoherent response….”.
I know the God that any human can explain ain't what I would consider a God. How could a human explain the property of a being beyond our mental facilities? Silly humans.
Therefore it's a useless exercise for anyone to propose such a god. It would be far more honest to stay with "I don't know" for things we don't and (if you're correct) CAN'T know, and put our efforts into investigating things that we CAN know.
I already use "belief in something that cannot be demonstrated" as my definition for being "gullible". How does your 'faith' differ from being 'gullible'?
The faith might as well have no meaning. Yes you have to assume that the sun will rise tomorrow but you would assume it because it has rising every single day of your life. The sun rise is not a good comparison to a god at all.
Being lukewarm is not a problem, i guess... what is a problem is to be unaware of own beliefs and deny them, pretending that this subjective part of reality doesnt really matter because the other side is supose to make claims. Many atheists and skeptics are doing this dishonest debate trick and/or even advocate for that trick as the right way to argue.
First ten numbers (0, 1, 2, 3,...9) First ten dimensions (0D, 1D, 2D, 3D...9D) Newton: "0 is contingent/not-necessary" 🚫 and "1-9 are necessary" 🚫 (this is the basis of Newton Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic). Leibniz: "0 is necessary" ✅ and "1-9 are contingent (on their predecessor)" ✅ (this is the basis of Leibniz Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic). [Info on Zero]: Is zero the most important number? Zero is the most important number in mathematics. Zero functions as a placeholder. Imagine a number, e.g., 5 and put as many zeroes behind it as you can think of. Zero drastically changes the value of the number from a mere 5 to 50, 500, 5000, 50000 and beyond. Which is the greatest whole number? There is no 'largest' whole number. Every whole number has an immediate predecessor, except 0. A decimal number or a fraction that falls between two whole numbers is not a whole number. Why is it impossible to divide by zero? The short answer is that 0 has no multiplicative inverse, and any attempt to define a real number as the multiplicative inverse of 0 would result in the contradiction 0 = 1. Is 0 a rational number? Yes, 0 is a rational number. Since we know, a rational number can be expressed as p/q, where p and q are integers and q is not equal to zero. Thus, we can express 0 as p/q, where p is equal to zero and q is an integer. Is 0 A whole number? The whole numbers are the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and so on (the natural numbers and zero). Negative numbers are not considered "whole numbers." All natural numbers are whole numbers, but not all whole numbers are natural numbers since zero is a whole number but not a natural number. Why is 0 a good number? Zero helps us understand that we can use math to think about things that have no counterpart in a physical lived experience; imaginary numbers don't exist but are crucial to understanding electrical systems. Zero also helps us understand its antithesis, infinity, in all of its extreme weirdness. 🔘 ♾ ☯️ [Newton vs Leibniz]: Do you agree with Newton that "0 is contingent" and "1-9 are necessary"? Newton was a fraud and a moron. Clearly (shown) his logic is flawed at the fundamental level. (9 is contingent on 8, 8 is contingent on 7, and so on with the exception of 0; necessary) So why are we learning Newton's backwards Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic? [Newton vs Leibniz Calculus]: What is the difference between Newton and Leibniz calculus? Newton's calculus is about functions. Leibniz's calculus is about relations defined by constraints. In Newton's calculus, there is (what would now be called) a limit built into every operation. In Leibniz's calculus, the limit is a separate operation.
Exactly, I couldn't even continue watching after he literally said he doesn't really know it's all just a guess. What is the point of the call after that? How is this call 28 mins!
"No science Dogma"??? Science is not dogma skippy.
These theiste are sooooo desparate for us to share their burden. Its pathetic. 💯
Whenever some theist claims you can't see evolution happening I respond with "why do you think you need a different flu vaccine every year?"
I still want them to prove a guy can be brought to life by some dirt.
@@Jprimus it's not about proof to the faithful
That used to work. Now there’s a significant portion of them who think they never need a vaccine.
Do they look different from what a perfect averaging of their parents features ought to look like? Are they taller than both parents? Do they have a sibling which ISN'T an identical twin? If so, then you have two individuals who are both drawn from the same pool of genes that didn't turn out identically TA-DAAAA variation! Ever seen the product of two pure bred dogs of different breeds?
The tracking chips get corroded floating around the bloodstream, and need to be replaced.
Poor Patrick lacks the critical thinking skills to understand why people are laughing at him.🤤
These morons just go around from show to show making a fool of themselves. It's a circuit, week after week, calling and acting like idiots because they can't figure out what they're doing wrong and don't actually care.
These people need professional help and continuing to take their calls isn't helping.
he lacks the critical thinking skills to understand socks. I'm not sure he's at the whole, "theory of mind/introspection" thing...
he is, I dare say, the unfortunate result of a family tree with only one branch.
Patrick lacks the critical thinking skills to wipe the drool from his chin. I'm always amazed that he can form words with his mouth without accidentally setting the house on fire.
Johnny: let me give you a clear and succinct explanation of what I mean by atheism and why it doesn't involve faith.
Patrick: thank you for your explanation. But I still think atheism is a faith.
Patrick, if you're incapable of listening, you're not worth talking to.
Theistic "thinking" in a nutshell. They're so deeply indoctrinated with blind faith they're not capable to imagine or comprehend exostence of anything without faith.
Just because you allow others to speak doesn't make you a good interlocutor.
He was lying when he said "I think"
If you wanna call the universe itself "God," great. My question then becomes : Why should I care?
If he's going to call the universe god then I reserve the right to call cars pickles, fish- rocks and telephones- wolverines.
Also, left is now right. And right is blue.
🤦♂️🤷🏼♂️😆
It seems to me, that Patrick just wants to call the universe God. But the universe already has a name so, why call it god.
Could be a desperate attempt to sneak a god in through the back door. What’s the biggest most impressive thing we can literally perceive?… it’s the universe, so if we just call that god, boom, god.
Atheism is a faith the way “OFF” is a T.V channel.
Do I need faith to not have a leprechaun belief?
Great reply. I can never think of anything that witty. So I am just going to steal your comment and claim it as my own. 😉
Good one!
somehow this will still elude them
If you belive anything unfalsified that cannot be demonstrated that is a joke. Mermaids, leprechauns, GAWD!
Patrick would have a promising voice-over career if Huckleberry Hound cartoons go back into production.
Or deputy dawg.
He sounds similar to Cleveland brown from family guy....
Patrick needs to strawman atheists in order to feel good about his belief in a god that he can’t really define.
He says it himself that he has no evidence for his claim.
End of conversation!
I’m very disappointed that Patrick didn’t utter the phrases “What in tarnation,” “Dagnabbit,” “That tears it,” or “Well, I’ll be” a single time during this call.
"Heck-fire". "Dad-gum".
Got to give the caller a big thank you, he made me feel like I'm a genius.
😂😂😂
He does the same for my furniture....I have an ottoman that (now) thinks it can checkmate me
I'm a pantheist. I spent a little extra to get the really good non-stick ones, and they've truly saved me.
Wow, just wow. Imagine the level of disconnect that you need to say:
Well, I'm just guessing. Everyone is just guessing. I don't really know what sort of evidence there could be.
And then say that not accepting a wishy washy guess is equivalent to faith.
Here we have a person who is so enamored with their definitions that they're just jumping at any slight misstep to claim his position is the right one, and that those they disagres with are wrong by an equal measure.
Can't remember where I heard it, but a turn of phrase that I think encapsulates the common attitudes of folks like Patrick:
"Vaguely gesturing at an ill-defined, perceived hypocrisy."
@@twig8523 I heard it from Vaush
If you define faith as "anything you think or believe" then I have faith the sun is going down tonight. Everything becomes faith, so faith becomes just another word for an opinion. Factual or otherwise.
"Now I may not be one of them big-city theists, but it seems to me..."
them dang pesky yankee theists!
I think I lost some brain cells every time patrick opened his mouth.
A sign of a broken mind is when you can't comprehend simple concepts and have to accept blind faith instead of critical thinking about things.
I don't know how you have the patience for this guy.
A line from Billy Madison comes to mind:
"At no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it"
"I award you no points."
"No, you ain't." 😆😆
It just so happens that the preconditions that created the universe hate all the same people I hate and agree with all my political positions.
"I'm just guessin', but I don't care." Talk about motivated reasoning.
I think Katy's doing an increasingly good job.☑️
And cat!!!!!!! 😺🤘😺🤘😺🤘...
@@twcnz3570That’s Poppy to you!! 😆
Katy's cat had the right idea and got away from this call, despite the bliss of chin scratches.
The cat went off to play his piano.
Faith is a belief of unproven assumptions in luie of any evidence to the contrary.
This caller is just like flat earthers starting to show that he just doesn't get geography when someone asks them to give their evidence for flat Earth...
Katy is so smart and well spoken.
This fuckin’ guy again. He’s making the rounds on all the ACA shows reading the same script. What a maroon.
Why are they throwing shade at Matt? Or are they just joking?
Yeah, I wasn't sure if there was some blow up at the ACA that I missed or something.
I was wondering this too. Matt makes some good points and seems to know his shit for the most part, I don't always agree with everything he says, but I don't agree entirely with these guys either, so I'm curious where the animosity comes from, if indeed it was animosity and not just joking, but it did sound like real animosity.
So yeah, if anyone knows the story there I would love to hear it.
Isn’t it obvious though? How bitter and aggressive has Matt become, anyone who’s watched enough AE over the years should have observed this. He’ll snap his co-hosts and more often than not swear and blow up!
Id be surprised if there wasn’t any drama behind the scenes in the community.
@@norswil8763 Matt lives rent-free in your head.
Matt can be quite prickly even to his cohosts plus if everytime someone calls in, they are gonna reference Matt in some way, this combination has to be tiring to these guys so they are going push back somehow. That's my view anyway.
Einstein. . . Sagan. . . Penrose. He drops their names, but has never read one of their papers, articles, or books. It shows.
I'm even wondering if he can read.
Patrick tries extremely hard to sound intellectual but he's not even a midwit
Say as you like.
Until you can demonstrate the validity of the claim I don't believe you.
I don't care how influential a person is or was, popularity doesn't make you correct.
Patrick is very confused. Unsurprisingly. 🤣🤣
Absence of evidence is a form of proof that something doesn't exist. Now where did I put those little Leprechaun shoes?
Ironic how there's no proof of evolution
This guy loves to hear the sound of his own voice and ignores what others say.
I wonder how many of us recognize this long time caller? As soon as i heard the voice i knew this was going to be something that was hard to listen to lol.
I just posted a comment about it being long overdue, one of the nurses in the "home" should have smothered him by now...absent that, PUT DOWN THE FUCKING BONG, PATRICK!
It’s weird how many people claim to believe in the same God as Einstein. I’m not aware of anything except poetic references.
Here are some Einstein quotes I collected to reply to people who believe in the same God as Einstein:
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. (1954)”
The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)
one word man , sundayschool
people normally get a basis to understand the other things you learn throughout your life
what do you learn in sundayschool ? the total opposite ...
well ... america is what you get , a country broken beyond repair ,
filled with people who can't tie their own effing shoes without an instruction manual , a powerpoint presentation and an audiobook to go with it , not even then ...
what are we doing here ? this world has been dying for the last 2000 years , absolutely slowly Dying
It seems that the hosts have a strong hate towards Matt Dillahunty. Can anyone explain the reason for this?
I am an atheist. What would allow me to believe in the existence of God? I actually have an answer: If I had a brain injury that destroyed my ability to think in logical and reasoned arguments, and believe with minimal or zero evidence of whatever the discussion was about, then I could believe in the argument that a God exists. The problem is that even if that happened, the actual objective evidence of the existence of a God is still not provided. That is a major problem, no?
What's Johnny's beef with Matt? Kinda hateful without context. Anybody know?
The goof calls all the shows w/ the same boring argument. “You have faith too…”
This shows you more the importance of making your argument look equally silly than it is to make their argument look strong.
To be clear I, an atheist, am NOT saying that the God of the bible is even possible. That also is a claim that has yet to be demonstrated.
Kitten!!!!’ That is all.
Theists: "What kind of evidence would prove a god?"
We're not the ones claiming there is evidence...you are.
I call Fake. He knows enough to make silly statements that I don't think a usual (pan)theist would make (yes, I have watched a whack-ton TAE, etc)
From now on, when someone is an idiot of this calibre, instead of talking to them just send mid90s Adam Sandler to beat them savagely.
Yep he is from Florida.. FLORIDA-MAN......
Not that I care that much about him but is Matt Dillahunty canceled or something? I see that people hVe left his show and now kinda talk negative about him.
No, they just rotate hosts... Matt was on just a show or two before this week...
@@t800fantasm2 he just said Matt can suck an egg. What exactly was that about? Doesn't seem like the thing you say about one of their fellow hosts.
On here when they talk negative about him, its kind of in jest.
@@ReiperX ahh
Pantheism like this is so annoying to me. Their arguments are always so vague and empty, bc they refuse to make any actual claim they'd have to defend. They just lug that goal post around with them and act like it makes perfect sense.
"The universe is a natural god, so there's nothing supernatural about it."
Okay, so you essentially just have a cute nickname for the universe. You call the universe "God?" Okay, I refer to my cat as my son, and sometimes my sister calls me "Toilet."
I want to be that Cat. I have faith I am that Cat. No, it didn’t help.
Damn. Keep trying 😸
It probably would be the be all end all of science when it finds evidence that a god exists.
It would also be the correct time to believe in one.
Didn't this guy call into AXP with forrest & dave?
there is no proving a thing that makes no positive claim
Why the hate towards Matt?
He’s been bitter and a bit aggressive for years now, Id be surprised if there wasn’t some sort of beef behind the scenes. I often think “who’d want to co-host with him?”
@@norswil8763 nice try, but no.
@@johnnyphilindablanq8536 it’s literally true
@@johnnyphilindablanq8536 all speculation, I didn’t actually think the comment was really a slight to Matt at all.
Sounded like good-natured ribbing to me.
I have faith that I know what I believe.
Nothing more obnoxious than believers insisting that it takes faith to be an atheist (newsflash - it doesn't). It's not just the ignorance in that statement, but also how telling it is that they see faith in such a negative light that they feel obligated to put that bad label on atheists to even the score. I have more respect for people that just admit that their faith is a very important component of their belief system and have the critical thinking skills to also know that atheists don't have that gene.
What’s the beef between Johnny & Matt ?
So. Many. Straw. Men.
off topic but cute make up job Katy, you look very pretty.
It doesn't take faith not to believe something.
The cat's name is Poppy? They're adorable.
You are correct, the cat's name is Poppy and Poppy is adorable.
Evidencing a god is easy. Just produce your deity for examination, testing, and questioning to see if it can live up to all of the claims made for it. As fas as I can tell, gods are only subjectively real, they exist only in the minds of individual believers, and every believer appears to have a unique god. If any god is objectively real, if that god is a part of objective reality, the reality that we all share, then presenting it for scientific examination should not be a problem at all.
If the universe is God then are Saturn's rings his painted toenails ?
I've had phyciatrists ask me " do you hear voices?
Yes then you are mad.
Do you hear god speaking to you
Yes .
Okay we will let that pass you will not be put in a padded cell
Coming from a rural Upstate NY town full of wannabe-Southerners (fauxbillies), it's very weird to me to hear that accent making a coherent sentence.
What's the problem with Matt, if I may ask?
Oh no this guy. I couldn't take it on AE either.
Aren’t all theistic claims laughable?
This whole "searching for god" makes no sense to me. Why go searching for a thing that no one has ever been able to show is objectively real?
'The AtheiSts. . .' Is this an episode of 'Raised By Wolves'?
Frustrating though these theist callers often are, they serve a useful function in demonstrating the repetitive dishonesty of their arguments.
Because that seems to be all they've got, ever, I've gradually become disinclined to give theists the benefit of the doubt, and instead now have the habit of looking for the core fallacies in their arguments. These aren't hard to spot. Most are extremely unsophisticated, but even the relatively sophisticated ones turn out, in my experience, to be based on bare assertion or question begging, at base, covered over by some kind of smokescreen, deflection, or simple unintelligibility.
In a world of Internet scams, it's good practice to spot the fallacy. I find it relaxing, like doing a crossword puzzle.
When I first started dealing with religious apologists online, I used to keep a list of the logical fallacies handy. I referred to it so often that I no longer need to keep the list handy.😈
Patrick's insistence that atheism means no God exists sounds so petulant, almost bitter. I wonder if he lost a relationship to his deist nonsense in the past and just never got over it? Now he fester in the Darth Dawkins Discord cesspools just looking for any way to make it someone else's responsibility to invalidate his idiocy.
I wish these shows worked harder to pass around the 'troll callers' list so that the hosts don't waste time trying to engage them honestly. Patrick at least has the decency(arrogance?) to use the same name each time so he'd be easy to freeze out.
I don’t know if he lost a relationship because of his belief in nonsense, but I do know he has lost credibility every time he’s called.🤡
Jeeze Patrick…..you have shown me why people say pantheism is laughable.
What an unbelievably tiresome and pedantic conversation.
It's like this guy is just incapable of listening to a word they're saying. How frustrating
Didn't cletus tried the same crap on the atheist xp?
All this has been explained to Patrick at least twice before. He just too dishonest to accept what atheism is.
This is so painful. The world is doomed.
Or at least Florida
Did I miss something here? What's with the Matt-hate?
Because he holds callers feet to the fire and doesn't let them wriggle away when they can't back up their assertions.
"Can we confirm a deistic god?"
Well, no, per definition.
That cat is far more intelligent than Patrick. It keeps its mouth shut on the subject.
If the universe is god, then I am a part of god. So, if atheism is an idea in my mind, it is an idea in the mind of god. Therefore, atheism is a valid spiritual path!
@@jameswalton4259 Actually if you look into the concept seriously you will find that the idea is expressed as, the absolute reality knowing itself. Atheism is just one way this happens.
My comment was intended for people like Patrick who say the the universe is god and overlook the fact that they are part of the universe.
@@sigmaoctantis1892 ‘if’ speculation is fun, but for those of us who value accuracy and truth, well speculation without purpose isn’t all to functional.
@@norswil8763 Yes. I was having fun.
A more complete explanation of my comment follows. There are two distinctly different mythic systems. One posits that a creator god is separate from its creation. Consider Christianity in this category. All one can do is form a relationship with the god, you look outwards and here is a book that tells you exactly what the god wants you to do. The other system posits that the ground of our being is, not a god but some form of consciousness. In this kind of system you look within to find the ultimate reality.
I find that many "pantheists" who call in, stating "the universe is god" fail to realise that they are part of that god, part of the universe. Consider Hinduism wherein atheism is a valid spiritual position. Patrick in this video, although he doesn't state it, argues on the assumption that there can be separation of humans from the universe. He clearly does not understand his stated worldview.
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isnt pantheism when you believe in a group of/ family of gods...?
like greek gods or w/e
No, that's polytheism. Pantheism is the universe is God.
Yeah, pantheists call the universe ‘god’… it’s just relabelling something that exists as ‘god’ and then saying, “God does exist!” When really… it’s just the universe. It’s an arbitrary position.
@@wyldink1 but a group of gods is called a patheon...in polytheism.
@@Uctus8 Yes. Pan is Greek for "all". Theon comes from the Greek theion, which means holy. Theion derives from theos, meaning God, but refers to the holy nature of the deity(ies).
Pantheism adds in the -ism suffix, which refers to the state of belief. A PANTHEON is list of “all the deities.” That is, all of the deities a group of people collectively respect or worship is their PANTHEON. PANTHEISM is the belief that the deities ARE everything. Not “all of the deities” but rather “all the things ARE the deities.”
@@wyldink1 confusing, the greek gods(at least) were/are everything imo. Gaia the earth Uranus the sky, basically everything. Kronos time.
the smaller gods followed to explain smaller details up to mortals that were cursed/blessed by the gods
sure, u can argue Apollo was not the sun but the sun would not be without Apollo. no? feels like pantheism is lazy polytheism...religion is confusing, anyway thx
A “god” is anything that can consciously create. A “God” is a big, fat lie.
Pantheism = God is equal to the universe 🚫.
Pan·en·the·ism = God is greater than the universe (and includes/interpenetrates it) ✅
Just two more types of theism, and both are just as irrational as all the other types of theism.🤡
Katie tell him the truth no evidence goodnight
A particular action or choice is moral or right when it promotes happiness, wellbeing, or health and minimizes serious harm or suffering. A particular action or choice is immoral or wrong when it diminishes happiness, wellbeing, or health and causes serious harm or suffering. Morality does not need religion. The world would have been much better off without religion stifling scientific progress for over a thousand years. How many millions have died in history in the name of religion? How has any god helped the millions of women and children that die or suffer from abuse each year? Go to a children's hospital and tell all the children and parents there that their suffering for months and years is a god's will.
Patrick does have a nice voice but his opinions on religion are not interesting. Mind you I would be open to hearing him on some other subject. I get the impression he might be a fun guy at parties and might be a great raconteur. But on religion no thanks.
Another silly caller who wants to talk about what somebody else said. They’re like young children who haven’t learned any logic.
Patrick reminds me of that speech from Billy Madison that starts with “Nowhere in that rambling incoherent response….”.
I know the God that any human can explain ain't what I would consider a God. How could a human explain the property of a being beyond our mental facilities? Silly humans.
Therefore it's a useless exercise for anyone to propose such a god.
It would be far more honest to stay with "I don't know" for things we don't and (if you're correct) CAN'T know, and put our efforts into investigating things that we CAN know.
alright... "Einstein's guess" ...so uh... mathematics is just... guessing now, I suppose.
Katy Montgomerie you are by far the smartest host here. You do not need these bozos to play sidekicks.
That's a dude isn't it?
Why not just strawman the strawman?
Faith is belief in something that can't be proved. I see that as beilieving in common concepts required to live. .ie., sun will rise tomorrow.
I already use "belief in something that cannot be demonstrated" as my definition for being "gullible".
How does your 'faith' differ from being 'gullible'?
The faith might as well have no meaning. Yes you have to assume that the sun will rise tomorrow but you would assume it because it has rising every single day of your life. The sun rise is not a good comparison to a god at all.
Being lukewarm is not a problem, i guess... what is a problem is to be unaware of own beliefs and deny them, pretending that this subjective part of reality doesnt really matter because the other side is supose to make claims. Many atheists and skeptics are doing this dishonest debate trick and/or even advocate for that trick as the right way to argue.
This has to be one of the worst managed shows I've seen.
Babbling without any point of reference on either side. So much oxygen wasted.
First ten numbers
(0, 1, 2, 3,...9)
First ten dimensions
(0D, 1D, 2D, 3D...9D)
Newton:
"0 is contingent/not-necessary" 🚫
and
"1-9 are necessary" 🚫
(this is the basis of Newton Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic).
Leibniz:
"0 is necessary" ✅
and
"1-9 are contingent (on their predecessor)" ✅
(this is the basis of Leibniz Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic).
[Info on Zero]:
Is zero the most important number?
Zero is the most important number in mathematics. Zero functions as a placeholder. Imagine a number, e.g., 5 and put as many zeroes behind it as you can think of. Zero drastically changes the value of the number from a mere 5 to 50, 500, 5000, 50000 and beyond.
Which is the greatest whole number?
There is no 'largest' whole number. Every whole number has an immediate predecessor, except 0. A decimal number or a fraction that falls between two whole numbers is not a whole number.
Why is it impossible to divide by zero?
The short answer is that 0 has no multiplicative inverse, and any attempt to define a real number as the multiplicative inverse of 0 would result in the contradiction 0 = 1.
Is 0 a rational number?
Yes, 0 is a rational number. Since we know, a rational number can be expressed as p/q, where p and q are integers and q is not equal to zero. Thus, we can express 0 as p/q, where p is equal to zero and q is an integer.
Is 0 A whole number?
The whole numbers are the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and so on (the natural numbers and zero). Negative numbers are not considered "whole numbers." All natural numbers are whole numbers, but not all whole numbers are natural numbers since zero is a whole number but not a natural number.
Why is 0 a good number?
Zero helps us understand that we can use math to think about things that have no counterpart in a physical lived experience; imaginary numbers don't exist but are crucial to understanding electrical systems.
Zero also helps us understand its antithesis, infinity, in all of its extreme weirdness. 🔘 ♾ ☯️
[Newton vs Leibniz]:
Do you agree with Newton that "0 is contingent" and "1-9 are necessary"?
Newton was a fraud and a moron. Clearly (shown) his logic is flawed at the fundamental level.
(9 is contingent on 8,
8 is contingent on 7, and so on with the exception of 0; necessary)
So why are we learning Newton's backwards Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic?
[Newton vs Leibniz Calculus]:
What is the difference between Newton and Leibniz calculus?
Newton's calculus is about functions.
Leibniz's calculus is about relations defined by constraints.
In Newton's calculus, there is (what would now be called) a limit built into every operation.
In Leibniz's calculus, the limit is a separate operation.
Could’ve shortened this to “zero = the amount of sense this comment is making”.
I love it when the loons come out. 😄
I don't know how you have the patience for this guy.
Exactly, I couldn't even continue watching after he literally said he doesn't really know it's all just a guess. What is the point of the call after that? How is this call 28 mins!