You can do a single walbro 525 single pump. It should be sufficient. Also, FIC1650 high z injectors or ID1700 will work just fine. You can always tune for E70 to give yourself some more head room for the injectors/pump but I think that setup will work just fine for E85. I did an EvoX with a GTX3852 with FIC1650 + Walbro 525 ... 39psi no problem. Stock coils will do just fine. But you will need to gap your plugs properly. COP kit will allow you to run a bigger gap. That's all. With the SS housing on that fp black, it will be fairly laggy. As long as he keeps his torque less than 400tq on the stock rods. In the upper rpm you can easily crank the boost with a EBS and a good tuner. In terms of driveability, cams/clutch/tune will play a big role. COP kit and 525 pump won't change that. If you put S2 cams, with a nice ACT T1S or something similar, it will drive close to stock. Injectors like the ID1700 or FIC1650 high z can be tuned to almost stock driveability. Make sure to convert to Speed Density.
Lol what a COP kit is one of the best things you can do to a 8/9 it added a very noticeable difference to my car at 330whp. Felt like it ran a lot stronger
@@K2theK-b6u it basically is though, it makes the engine run a wholelot smoother and has a way stronger spark. If you’re running stock coils at high hp, you’re a moron. It’ll work, but there’s no reason not to upgrade
@@brotomwang8218 Huh? A moron for running stock coils. He clearly asked if it was NECESSARY. It isn't. It makes the car smoother, you can run a bigger gap, but it isn't NECESSARY. Pump/Injectors/Tune are far more important than upgrading to a COP kit. A cop kit will make the car run SMOOTHER, but far from a must or you will blow your motor. For $450 the cost of a COP kit, he can do more important upgrades and leave that to the end. It does not change the tune adding a cop kit at any point. A moron for running stock coils LMAO. GTFO.
I had an mhi fp black ball bearing on my old Evo 9 for 4 years. Stock internals, 1350cc injectors, single Walbro 255 pump. 500whp on a conservative tune. No issues at all except the spooling noise got annoying over time lol
I would say since you have 2 Evos, keep the black one the way it is as a fun, reliable, daily driver and have the silver one as the test mule for the FP Black! That way you get the best of both worlds. Honestly, if I could go back and do it all over again, I would stick with stock engine with bolt ons and a tune maximizing the potential of the OEM setup but also keeping the solid reliability you get from factory. Right now my Evo is with English Racing getting built with their 2.2L long block package, lol. I'll be running that with either my current CBRD BBK Full or I'll swap it for the MHI 18K if the current turbo isn't good to use anymore. My goal is to have a solid daily driver setup that doesn't sacrifice drivability/reliability/response for power. I figure an overbuilt set up well below the limit of what it's rated for should last me a very long time so I can finally enjoy the thing again. Love the videos, keep up the awesome content! I wish I had a second Evo I could use just to tear into and get to know the platform more thoroughly, haha
Nailed it. I think the smart thing would be to leave the black evo as is and mess with fp black on the silver one. Would be fun to see how much hp a stock 200k engine could hold before letting go 😂
I’ve heard quite a few people personally say they would pretty much stop modding where my current black evo is at if they could do it all over again. I just thought more people on TH-cam might go the “just send it” way 🙃. Thanks for the reply, good luck with your evo, hope it’s still a reliable blast to drive once done.
@@BoostedFilms yeh just send it.....10 years ago sending it was the thing but now days parts and motors are getting rarer all the time so evo drivers are becoming enthusiasts and a lot wiser in dabbling with big hp but if you want to grenade the silver with the black I'll definitely be watching ;)
With the FP SS housing you can run the stock downpipe as it was meant to take the place of a MHI O2 housing. Another option that I decided to go with is the STM SS downpipe that bolts directly to the Turbo SS straight to the HFC/cat or test pipe.
Great video, I have a fp black with a 2.3 I just installed it 3 months ago, reliability is great so far. It is prob 200rpm slower...spool transient wise, but def hits hard. I do have the old style housing (twin scroll).
How do you use the car? Throttle response has a huge impact on how you experience the car. Peak numbers are great for racing and ego, but area under the curve is where it's at for fun.
to get the most out of the black u will need abuilt engine, bigger fuel pumps, bigger injectors, big cams, stronger clutch the powerband is gonna be all top end with a 2L so its gonna be a lag monster as a daily/street car
Im still waiting on my bb fp 54 green mhi turbo. Its been on back order for over 4months now. Ive driven fp black evos before and you def need e85 to use full potential
I ordered my Black BB back I'm December, with the MHI housing, just received it today. FP got a shipment of MHI housing in on Tuesday, I'd call if you don't have it yet
I just bought an fp black also. Everything your worried about is my fears also. I do have a built motor and bigger injectors. I have a 450 pump and just looking to max that out and call it aday. 570 would make me happy. I'm scared about my trans and spark issue. I also want to have fun and take corners with the car.
hey paul, iv been on this topic all winter long trying to decide on a FP Red or Black turbo. Im 95% sure im going red.It will have similar spool coming from a BBK Turbo and still be able to provide mid 500 whp on E85. (Fully Built 2.0) From looking on the forums the Black seems to shine on the stroker built engines. However on stock bottom ends your able to keep the tq down with these turbos. Looking forward to see what you decide to do!
Install it! I have like the same setup but with an Arashi 25g balle bearing turbo using that FP SS housing and the FP O2 too, making 515whp and 450tq @27 psi just on 93 oct fuel pump. You don't need double pump, a single 450lph is enough with sime 1200cc or larger injectors like my gas setup
I've been running an FP black on my 8 MR for the past couple of years without any issues. The FP black definitely spools up a little slower than the stock turbo but I don't track my car so I can't say for sure that one would be better than the other.
You can have the mhi housing on the fp black as option from forced performance , personally i prefer the mhi fp black for spool , and still making a lot power like 600 whp dynojet , on ss housing you can gain about 30-40 hp ,but you will lost spool
@@brotomwang8218 yes very true! SS housing are laggy as fk compared too mhi by atleast 700rpm & make less torque which gives you that hit! so dunno wtf you are on about lol. yes they are a choke point for max power but they hit harder!
@@BoostedFilms awsome loving your build series. The School of thought I'm from is build heads to improve breathing/power. If running a much larger than stock turbo like and FP Black a 272 or 280 duration cam pushes the power band higher to take advantage of the higher flow rates. Just my 5 cents. PS I'm current owner of an evolution 5. The previous owner had a precision 6262 turbo with built head and blew the stock bottom end. Now riding with a stock evo8 bottom end and head with evo 9 turbo.
you can easily do 500whp dynojet on that ss fp black on 93 pump stock block, so no need for upgrade injectors from your current setup. A good tuner should be able to get peak boost around 4300-5000 rpm. if going e85, you should get the motor built with upgraded fuel system..
Yes you can. Black is bigger this less torquey. Add in the fact that this is a SS single scroll housing, it's even less torquey than the twin scroll MHI housings. Should be fine on stock rods as long as torque is controlled
@@BLACKzj52 yes I know that if you actively reduce torque but it takes away drivability. Engine would let go if used in anything but 1/4m unmanaged. Who wants compromise
@@MrLeecavturbo unfortunately I have to compromise at the moment with my Red and stock block 😂😂 I don't particularly like knowing that I'm held back and potentially have a time bomb on my hands. In due time I'll have a 2.2 or 2.4.
Plenty of folks have blown stock bottom ends with a Red. So if you're going to sacrifice transient response and a huge chunk of rpm from the powerband, you should really be getting all this turbo is worth out the top. Which you wont be able to on a stock bottom end. Plus a 2.2 will help get you back some of that response and powerband.
Later spool = less stress, evos will do 500whp forever on a black. You could just get a 450 hard wired, keep your injectors, and do a COP kit. Get it tuned by @ja_tuned on Instagram he is the best pretty much only does evo stuff and will make the best power+reliability out of your setup
I agree to leave the black car alone, and if you want to scratch the big power itch then throw this on the silver car eventually. I've driven a 2.0, Mivec, GSC S2, FP Black car on E85 making 605whp. If you value the ability to modulate power delivery for road course work, autox, etc then this turbo is the wrong turbo. Autox, forget it, and on a road course you're not going to be able to use the throttle very much until you have the wheel pointed straight again. Long term, it seems like everyone who goes the big power (street car) route eventually blows up enough of their shit and/or goes broke and wishes they had just kept it simple.
I just got the same turbo installed. Ball bearing with htz compressor. You will need a double pumper to achieve 600 Along with 2000+ injectors. Also you will need a different down pipe.
Built engine unless you want your rods thru your block I'm making over 650 wheel but is Max out at 35lbs of boost I think my mhi housing is restricting it but other than that kicks hard I'm on s3 cams id2000cc and radium double pumper 450 , and Magnus intake manifold , built bottom end I beams and hd wiseco pistons and L19s head studs
In and out shaft play was good to me. Up and down seemed to be a bit more than I'd like. But just using your finders when there is no oil in the turbo is surely not too scientific.
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I also impulse bought an fp red ball bearing. Definitely following your build.
It's a great overall turbo Paul. Proven time and again. Send it!
You can do a single walbro 525 single pump. It should be sufficient. Also, FIC1650 high z injectors or ID1700 will work just fine. You can always tune for E70 to give yourself some more head room for the injectors/pump but I think that setup will work just fine for E85.
I did an EvoX with a GTX3852 with FIC1650 + Walbro 525 ... 39psi no problem.
Stock coils will do just fine. But you will need to gap your plugs properly. COP kit will allow you to run a bigger gap. That's all.
With the SS housing on that fp black, it will be fairly laggy. As long as he keeps his torque less than 400tq on the stock rods. In the upper rpm you can easily crank the boost with a EBS and a good tuner.
In terms of driveability, cams/clutch/tune will play a big role. COP kit and 525 pump won't change that. If you put S2 cams, with a nice ACT T1S or something similar, it will drive close to stock. Injectors like the ID1700 or FIC1650 high z can be tuned to almost stock driveability. Make sure to convert to Speed Density.
Great insight
Lol what a COP kit is one of the best things you can do to a 8/9 it added a very noticeable difference to my car at 330whp. Felt like it ran a lot stronger
@@brotomwang8218 It does not make it a necessary upgrade. I have tuned an 9 making 700whp with the stock coils. Plugs were gapped tight though.
@@K2theK-b6u it basically is though, it makes the engine run a wholelot smoother and has a way stronger spark. If you’re running stock coils at high hp, you’re a moron. It’ll work, but there’s no reason not to upgrade
@@brotomwang8218 Huh? A moron for running stock coils. He clearly asked if it was NECESSARY. It isn't. It makes the car smoother, you can run a bigger gap, but it isn't NECESSARY.
Pump/Injectors/Tune are far more important than upgrading to a COP kit. A cop kit will make the car run SMOOTHER, but far from a must or you will blow your motor. For $450 the cost of a COP kit, he can do more important upgrades and leave that to the end. It does not change the tune adding a cop kit at any point.
A moron for running stock coils LMAO. GTFO.
I had an mhi fp black ball bearing on my old Evo 9 for 4 years. Stock internals, 1350cc injectors, single Walbro 255 pump. 500whp on a conservative tune. No issues at all except the spooling noise got annoying over time lol
I would say since you have 2 Evos, keep the black one the way it is as a fun, reliable, daily driver and have the silver one as the test mule for the FP Black! That way you get the best of both worlds. Honestly, if I could go back and do it all over again, I would stick with stock engine with bolt ons and a tune maximizing the potential of the OEM setup but also keeping the solid reliability you get from factory.
Right now my Evo is with English Racing getting built with their 2.2L long block package, lol. I'll be running that with either my current CBRD BBK Full or I'll swap it for the MHI 18K if the current turbo isn't good to use anymore. My goal is to have a solid daily driver setup that doesn't sacrifice drivability/reliability/response for power. I figure an overbuilt set up well below the limit of what it's rated for should last me a very long time so I can finally enjoy the thing again.
Love the videos, keep up the awesome content! I wish I had a second Evo I could use just to tear into and get to know the platform more thoroughly, haha
Nailed it. I think the smart thing would be to leave the black evo as is and mess with fp black on the silver one. Would be fun to see how much hp a stock 200k engine could hold before letting go 😂
I’ve heard quite a few people personally say they would pretty much stop modding where my current black evo is at if they could do it all over again. I just thought more people on TH-cam might go the “just send it” way 🙃. Thanks for the reply, good luck with your evo, hope it’s still a reliable blast to drive once done.
@@BoostedFilms yeh just send it.....10 years ago sending it was the thing but now days parts and motors are getting rarer all the time so evo drivers are becoming enthusiasts and a lot wiser in dabbling with big hp but if you want to grenade the silver with the black I'll definitely be watching ;)
Good call here. Ditto this.
1650's Fic , fp zero single 450 walbro e85 30 psi stock block Here.. 625hp
U should be good with this fueling Like I have for ur black
what IDC are you at?
@@bcr1818 like around 70 but have to check my logs I no I'm not maxed out tho
With the FP SS housing you can run the stock downpipe as it was meant to take the place of a MHI O2 housing. Another option that I decided to go with is the STM SS downpipe that bolts directly to the Turbo SS straight to the HFC/cat or test pipe.
Thanks!
Great video, I have a fp black with a 2.3 I just installed it 3 months ago, reliability is great so far. It is prob 200rpm slower...spool transient wise, but def hits hard. I do have the old style housing (twin scroll).
How do you use the car? Throttle response has a huge impact on how you experience the car. Peak numbers are great for racing and ego, but area under the curve is where it's at for fun.
💯 this. I mostly street drive and hit the 1/4 mile occasionally. Not sure the added cost and potentially less reliable car are worth the extra 100hp.
It’s very daily drivable! Great set up
Guessing you probably already installed it, but I'm running a ball bearing fp black, fp manifold, fp o2 housing, catless 3" exhaust, fic 1000 injectors, hardwired walbro hellcat 525 fuel pump, stock coil packs,, stock evo 9 oil feed lines, stock block, on E85, and made 573hp/492tq at 5k' DA.
Nice. I sold this black turbo to focus on getting my silver evo in decent running shape.
to get the most out of the black u will need abuilt engine, bigger fuel pumps, bigger injectors, big cams, stronger clutch
the powerband is gonna be all top end with a 2L so its gonna be a lag monster as a daily/street car
Im still waiting on my bb fp 54 green mhi turbo. Its been on back order for over 4months now. Ive driven fp black evos before and you def need e85 to use full potential
I ordered my Black BB back I'm December, with the MHI housing, just received it today. FP got a shipment of MHI housing in on Tuesday, I'd call if you don't have it yet
@@duncanmiranda7746 thx
I've been running the fp54 for a few years as my daily and finally pushed it too the max boost 34-36psi it was Volant
I just bought an fp black also. Everything your worried about is my fears also. I do have a built motor and bigger injectors. I have a 450 pump and just looking to max that out and call it aday. 570 would make me happy.
I'm scared about my trans and spark issue. I also want to have fun and take corners with the car.
hey paul, iv been on this topic all winter long trying to decide on a FP Red or Black turbo. Im 95% sure im going red.It will have similar spool coming from a BBK Turbo and still be able to provide mid 500 whp on E85. (Fully Built 2.0) From looking on the forums the Black seems to shine on the stroker built engines. However on stock bottom ends your able to keep the tq down with these turbos. Looking forward to see what you decide to do!
They’re not that different In spool. Both can make over 600, just make sure you get the FP SS housing mhi doesn’t give the turbos the flow it needs
Install it! I have like the same setup but with an Arashi 25g balle bearing turbo using that FP SS housing and the FP O2 too, making 515whp and 450tq @27 psi just on 93 oct fuel pump.
You don't need double pump, a single 450lph is enough with sime 1200cc or larger injectors like my gas setup
Are you running stock Internals?
@@BoostedFilmsbuilt block and also 272 cams on the head
You can run stock downpipe with that FP O2 housing btw
thanks, yea the downpipe that came with this kit looks similar to most other stock turbo downpipes.
I've been running an FP black on my 8 MR for the past couple of years without any issues. The FP black definitely spools up a little slower than the stock turbo but I don't track my car so I can't say for sure that one would be better than the other.
You can have the mhi housing on the fp black as option from forced performance , personally i prefer the mhi fp black for spool , and still making a lot power like 600 whp dynojet , on ss housing you can gain about 30-40 hp ,but you will lost spool
Lol you can barely mane 600 on a mhi and it won’t kick as hard, SS will make over 700whp.
@@brotomwang8218 Lol SS housing will never ever kick as hard as a MHI! SS is 1k laggier
@@markc1456 not true at all lol wtf i’ve felt mhi and it doesn’t kick hard even on a 2.3 SS flows so much better it’s a choked up turbo with the mhi
@@brotomwang8218 yes very true! SS housing are laggy as fk compared too mhi by atleast 700rpm & make less torque which gives you that hit! so dunno wtf you are on about lol. yes they are a choke point for max power but they hit harder!
@@markc1456 ive been in both. mhi was meh
I'm thinking building the head minimum and building block for safety
I don't think the head would need to be build to achive like 600 awhp. Built bottom end seems like the smart safety net if I was reliability.
@@BoostedFilms awsome loving your build series. The School of thought I'm from is build heads to improve breathing/power. If running a much larger than stock turbo like and FP Black a 272 or 280 duration cam pushes the power band higher to take advantage of the higher flow rates. Just my 5 cents. PS I'm current owner of an evolution 5. The previous owner had a precision 6262 turbo with built head and blew the stock bottom end. Now riding with a stock evo8 bottom end and head with evo 9 turbo.
you can easily do 500whp dynojet on that ss fp black on 93 pump stock block, so no need for upgrade injectors from your current setup. A good tuner should be able to get peak boost around 4300-5000 rpm. if going e85, you should get the motor built with upgraded fuel system..
I'm already E-85. Don't plan to run pump anytime soon.
Great turbo. Won’t need coil on plug . But what about forged rods ? Can’t run stock with full beans on that turbo
Yes you can. Black is bigger this less torquey. Add in the fact that this is a SS single scroll housing, it's even less torquey than the twin scroll MHI housings. Should be fine on stock rods as long as torque is controlled
@@BLACKzj52 yes I know that if you actively reduce torque but it takes away drivability. Engine would let go if used in anything but 1/4m unmanaged. Who wants compromise
@@MrLeecavturbo unfortunately I have to compromise at the moment with my Red and stock block 😂😂 I don't particularly like knowing that I'm held back and potentially have a time bomb on my hands. In due time I'll have a 2.2 or 2.4.
Drivability reliability should be exact same except for some increase lag But rods I really really think huge risk unless only doing 1/4m exclusively
Plenty of folks have blown stock bottom ends with a Red. So if you're going to sacrifice transient response and a huge chunk of rpm from the powerband, you should really be getting all this turbo is worth out the top. Which you wont be able to on a stock bottom end. Plus a 2.2 will help get you back some of that response and powerband.
Later spool = less stress, evos will do 500whp forever on a black. You could just get a 450 hard wired, keep your injectors, and do a COP kit. Get it tuned by @ja_tuned on Instagram he is the best pretty much only does evo stuff and will make the best power+reliability out of your setup
I agree to leave the black car alone, and if you want to scratch the big power itch then throw this on the silver car eventually. I've driven a 2.0, Mivec, GSC S2, FP Black car on E85 making 605whp. If you value the ability to modulate power delivery for road course work, autox, etc then this turbo is the wrong turbo. Autox, forget it, and on a road course you're not going to be able to use the throttle very much until you have the wheel pointed straight again. Long term, it seems like everyone who goes the big power (street car) route eventually blows up enough of their shit and/or goes broke and wishes they had just kept it simple.
Good insight. Thanks for the reply!
What do people run for oil return lines off of the fp black turbo? Anything other than stock?
Stock return line is fine.
I just got the same turbo installed. Ball bearing with htz compressor. You will need a double pumper to achieve 600 Along with 2000+ injectors. Also you will need a different down pipe.
Built Engine?
Built engine unless you want your rods thru your block I'm making over 650 wheel but is Max out at 35lbs of boost I think my mhi housing is restricting it but other than that kicks hard I'm on s3 cams id2000cc and radium double pumper 450 , and Magnus intake manifold , built bottom end I beams and hd wiseco pistons and L19s head studs
Did you check in/out and side to side play? If oil was fed from head and ran on E85, the stress accelerate wear on thrust plate and bearings.
In and out shaft play was good to me. Up and down seemed to be a bit more than I'd like. But just using your finders when there is no oil in the turbo is surely not too scientific.
@@BoostedFilms no oil affects wheel spinning, doesn't affect play
You looking to sell the Evo 9 turbo?
FP black the rusted evo
Just do an LS swap. No turbos needed.
😂
Don't do it man u seemed scared of it
Go double fuel pump