For those of you who are curious, the lore tab of Saint-14's "Perfect Paradox" describes to us the end of his journey. Whether he's alive or dead, no clue. But what came of him was this. He went to Mercury, seeking Osiris, but never found him. Instead, he remained within the Infinite Forest, doing nothing but seeking out and destroying Vex, for literal centuries. During all this time, the Vex focussed their efforts on him, creating a Vex Mind designed specifically to drain his light- not the light of any Guardian mind you, tuned to the specific resonance and frequency of his light. It took centuries of effort on their part to even do this. And while it did work, it wasn't enough to kill him. He composes a farewell message while sitting atop the broken husk of this Vex Mind he dismantled. The message is intended for us. Our guardian. Throughout his journies in the Infinite Forest, he saw us, what we've done, what we will do. And according to him, even met us, (which is likely what will happen in the quest). He called us his "inspiration", and even after losing his light, has hope, knowing that our Guardian will continue his good work. He's entrusted his legacy to us, and has found peace with that.
still a shit way to introduce 'a legend' into your ACTUAL story. Could have been an epic END to his storyline. Too bad he was never actually INTRODUCED until he died.
But what confuses me is that Osiris (during the campaign) is always mentioning that the Vex cannot predict *us*. How can the Vex predict something that was never in the equation until now? And the lore mentions that someone created the perfect paradox and give it to Saint-14 only to have him return it. And correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the final verse in the forge (the 11th weapon) the Perfect Paradox gun? It isn’t connecting.
Blitz i have this thing. What if we created the perfect paradox and gave it to him when we met him and he returned. Hence why we are able to get it. Long shot but i like to believe
The Vex cannot simulate light, and the Dark Future timeline that we visit is only a simulation of the future that the vex want. If his body was part of the simulation then his light wouldn't be there.
RamosXtreme if you read the lore, there was a mind designed just for him and put him down, the reason they gave him a divine grave was because they viewed him as a savior and yea, the mind possibly continues on as his legend in his name
Y3Denied Gaming no because it says he sits on it's husk, means he survived long enough to kill it without his light but he would've died of old or the vex finally got him. You also have to remember that he is a firebreak titan, which means they find a good spot to defend the best they can until they die, he found that hole after killing the light harvester, writing the letter, then the vex starting chasing him and so he did what he was trained to do. Kill as many as he could in that hole in the wall until his last breath. Osiris... Exploring the timelines found his body next to the decimated vex corpses and gave him a proper burial.
What if he is not in dead? Guardians have used their powers of light for exceptional things. What if he used all of the light in him to create this time suspended hibernation Until another guardian can use their light to unlock this light safe he is putting himself in. Every guardian that we have seen dead is just that dead. Body laying there. But he is Suspended in air with light all around him.
Thats a good point. I hope that is the case. I would hate for Bungie to kill off one of their best characters. So far they have killed off almost all of their characters from the lore (that are guardians). Kabr and his fireteam are dead, Eris Morns team is dead except herself. Jaren Ward, the hunter that wielded The Last Word fell to Dredgen Yor, the legendary HUNTER(not titan) which also fell to Shim Malphur, Jaren Wards "apprentice" if you will. And many more legends dead. but we have yet to meet any of them except Osiris, and only for two seconds just for him to say thanks and then leave us with the dumb bitch Ikora Rey.
No saint 14 might have gone into the simulation himself which wouldn't make him a simulation just everything around him would be so if was killed and his ghost was killed it would mean he's dead. In our current time.
I think that the future shows a projected outcome, that being the Vex victory. We may go on a quest to find Saint 14 in present day Mercury. OR perhaps Saint 14 became lost in time, specifically the Dark Future, and died there.
Ezmo G I think people are confused about "simulation". Remember Vex can "simulate" realities. Which means simulations are the realities. When we go into the "simulated" future Mercury, it is an existing reality. It is a reality where the Vex have won. It is a "simulation" simply because it is not the present. It is the future where the Vex have won. It is not the proper future in relation to our current timeline. That is St 14 in the future where the Vex have won. That is Light rising off of him in the "simulated" Real Future. The simulation is not artificial in that sense and therefore the light is not simulated.
You don’t need to do wall the forged guns. I’d only completed 4 when I got Saint-14 ‘s lost prophecy. It seems like Brother Lookatmesenpai will randomly give it to you in place of the usual weekly fare.
Isn't this just a simulation of a dark future, though? That just means that their goal is to kill him, not necessarily that he is dead as of right now, or that he would die in the near future, because that is a different timeline. For Saint 14 to be dead, the dark future must be fulfilled, which is definitely not what happened. In my opinion, there is still hope of him being alive.
No that's not how it works if you enter the simulation you are not being simulated everything around you is so if you are killed in that simulation it is a real death.
I JUST FIGURED THIS OUT - Prediction: Saint 14 chased Osiris into the Infinite Forest. Unable to find him, he accidentally goes into the Dark Future, where Panoptes sends a never ending amount of enemies to kill him. Saint 14, unable to kill a never ending horde dies, or somehow becomes trapped. Osiris later finds his body and has him displayed as shown with a little opening in the wall so that others or himself who find this place again, will see that this is the resting place of the legendary Saint 14.
I'm so mad that Saint-14 is dead. Like why do the Warlocks get to meet their God among Warlocks, and the Titans' God among Titans is dead. I was hoping that Saint-14 could play a huge role in D2 in helping the city and everything after the Cabal invasion but now he is gone and I'm pretty annoyed about this. Like why does Bungie do this to us, they literally Game of Thrones any figures in the lore who we have never met in the actual. RIP Saint-14 the Greatest Titan to ever hold Light.
KageVincent I do as well. However that would go over the heads of the "casuals" that bungie are so fond of, sadly. So we're left with the shell of something brilliant. God this game had so much potential. Now... I'm just waiting for ranked play to keep me playing until d3. I hope we get some kickass guns and a meta that's aimed at being skilled. I miss jumping into a room with four dudes in it, walk out if it having had a big shit on their chests, with Shaxx screaming at me because now he needs to wash his jockstrap after seeing what I just did to those poor souls.
Rune Ytterland the game will probably reach its highest point at the start of year 2 with its giant "taken king" like expansion. Seems to be going the same as d1 originally did rn
I've already watched a few videos today about this very topic. Byf's video is so much more concise and planned out, as are all of his videos! Keep up the good work, Byf!
Byf, this was epic! The way you tell it makes it feel so much more than just a story. It brings emotion, heart and soul to it. If this truly is Saint14 then he must have been supremely strong given the light is still bathing him even now. I really do hope Bungie can get this character story right, Saint14 deserves it. Looking forward to the full video
I dont think he is dead, and if he is it's only in the simulation, because to be killed by the vex in the forest would mean to be erased from time itself, unless in really confused and that only applies to vog.
Thank you for all your Lore detailed explanations. You put a lot of the story/history out there in an easy to find and well explained, detail oriented format. Great job and thanks again.
Byf I agree with the time travel part you said because the lore tab of saint-14s helm mentions how he says he saw the future and fought the battle of six front fueled on the idea of a guardian savior(the player most likely) coming to help
My thinking: If the Vex are "draining his light," wouldn't they need to keep him alive? Because if a guardian dies, isn't their light extinguished? Also, I am thinking that the world quest would be unlocked once all of the lost prophecies are completed, and this quest is the culmination of the lost prophecies?
The other thing is, the Vex can't mimic light, which means one of three things 1. They researched his corpse to mimic light 2. He's still alive 3. His corpse is somehow giving off light
Your video on Saint-14’s lore from D1 is amazing and as a Titan main he is without a doubt my favorite character in all of Destiny lore! I really hope they do right by him in the quest line! My clan mates knew how much I love the character so when I finished the campaign for CoO they said they wanted to help me run the first Adventure, but said it helps to run a black shader and have a sniper rifle. Completely oblivious to what they were doing until they told me to come to that door way and peek through the hole. I was speechless!
I about lost my shit when I got this Lost Prophecy. Saw the video a few days before that then I was actually doing the quest?!??! Cooler than you could imagine! Even found the vault-don’t usually get to cool content so soon after watching a new video about it. I hope it was everything you wanted, Byf.
Cap White I haven't played destiny 2 for a month now. I'm still here. Why? Because I still care. We're allowed not to like something and still care, right? I care because I played d1 for 2000+ hours and I'm super into the lore. I'm going to keep considering myself a destiny gamer, even if I'm having a bit of a break because d2 is a boring turd of a game, that can, get better over time. If you think differently... Well, fuck you, 1v1 me in asylum m8. Idiot.
Not sure if anyone has done the quest yet, but I'm on it right now, you've got to progress all the way through the forge weapons to unlock the world quest.
Did anybody else realize, besides me, when reading the lore tab of the gun in the game that the shotgun is not just called Perfect Paradox, but it is an actual perfect paradox.
Wow... as a Titan exo main who held him as a personal idol lore wise, this is beyond crushing to see. I really hope we get to meet him somehow, he deserves better than an Easter Egg and a simple quest to get his gear.
you get the quests during weapon forging quests. i stood next to the corpse 2 days ago :) the quest chain "another verse" becommes available after verse 10 weapon crafting is complete.
I have seen a video of a guy that has got into that room. He went up to the body in question and it has silver armour that is similar to the material on the helmet. Also upon closer inspection, the race is exo. A male exo with a dark silver material/face
I hope Bungie delivers an epic tale of Saint-14 worth of his iconic legend as well. I love your lore videos and been watching them since HoW. I know you'll create a lore video worthy of his remembrance & truly looking forward to that.
That shotgun is the 11th node on the weapon forge. There are 10 weapons and upon forging all 10 you can get this shotgun. It's believed that you unlock this quest and this is how you get the shotgun.
Omg! In the illuminated engram you can find Saint-14’s ship! With the same blue banners hanging from his body... also read the lore I really recommend it you will be surprised at the text... to Byf.
I'm watching on a cracked screen, Saint-14's body is perfectly laying in a non-cracked portion of my screen Byf's lovely voice and beautiful music only makes it better
Yo Byf, think you could offer your input on the exotic ship "Kabr's Glass Aegis"? Personally I believe it's foreshadowing the return of Kabr, because in the description, the possibility for return in the past is impossible, the present is vestigial, and the future is inevitable. But I think he will be a hybrid Guardian/Vex, because it's written in first person, albeit stuttering due to the joining of Kabr and the vex. But the icing on the cake is the very last line, which reads "It was/was/was not done I/I speak again and was wrong I am still him and I am now them and THAT IS FUTURE." This of course I believe is referencing Kabr's grimoire card that said along the lines "if I speak again, it will not be me". Yea, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on the matter, if we'll see him possibly soon, seeing as how we're dealing with the vex and the only info pertaining to Kabr dropped with a vex dlc.
I'm not sure where I saw this but I remember something that said "If the vex actually succeeded in what we call "Time Travel" we wouldn't be here anymore" I think it was in a lore item.. A weapon or armor, I can't quite remember but I don't think we'll ever time travel for real, since the vex don't time travel, they make simulations. I don't think they would have a simulation of the six fronts or anything unless they took that memory from Saint-14 which could be possible but if we do go to the six fronts it would be a simulation of what happened that day at the very least so our interference wouldn't change anything but it would be amazing to see Saint-14 in his glory. Maybe Osiris could be linked to the mission since he was the one that was able to show us how beautiful Mercury was in the past and maybe he could show us some of Saint-14's memories.. Who knows but here's hoping bungie does him justice >
Hold up, saints body is in the future simulation sooo what if the vex stumbled upon him and made a copy of him and put him supposedly dead in the future sim. Now the saint might be trapped inside the infinite forest while his ‘copy’ is dead in the dark future. That would explain why the shotgun is called Perfect Paradox because he is both dead and alive at the same time.
The world quest does seem to confirm Saints death, but I did like the idea that since the Up and Up takes place in the future, perhaps his death has not come to pass in the present. Would have been cool to know the fate of a character yet still get to interact with him.
I believe Unknown Player said that the only way to acquire the quest is to forge all the prophecy weapons. That would mean that this will unlock in about 3 weeks, since you can only forge 4 weapons a week. Either way, I am very interested and hope that the shotgun as well as the quest is amazing.
There are a few vids out in which some people have managed to glitch their way inside the tomb and it is indeed the body of an Exo male. So hopefully that means that the quest will allow us to see him up close and pay our respects if we choose.
I'm getting this dark souls Artorias sense with saint-14. Not that they can be completely comparable but more of that kind of respect from us as players when we read or hear the actual achievements and lore for a character that has done so much for a universe.
I do have a question, when we lost our light in Destiny 2 did Osiris also lose his connection to the light. Pardon me if this is a "duh" question, or if i missed something in the lore of Osiris. Thanks MyNameIsByf for the awesome videos, and helping me fall in love even more with Destiny's lore.
Aaron Kunzler I don't thinks so, he was probably time traveling through multiple realities and times in spaces where the traveler was fine and giving all the Guardians their light.
If you look at the cloth hanging off of the body it looks exactly the same as the cloth or whatever that is hanging off of the exotic ship you can get now that stats is Saint-14s ship. That alone confirms it for me.
I have an idea... What if Saint 14s fate is not too much unlike Praeydeths??? While yes, they are dead... in one of many timelines, we must remember that Praeydeth and possibly Saint 14 have become paradoxes and while we may or not save Saint 14 from his fate, bringing him from the original timeline to ours(yes, i believe our timeline is like that of dbz, how there is a dark original where nobody wins) they are both alive, dead, and neither as long as the vex remain in control of time. We have but one choice my fellow guardians. We must find the Ahamkara.Salty-32 ending transmission
I wonder if saint 14 is not just one titan, but an image that is taken up by many, hence why you can get his helmet, and this corpse was simply the first one to take up the image, and was also the one to become the titan vanguard
2 more resets before we get the quest. Credit to Player Unknown for this part - There are 10 verses for the forge, but 11 slots on the wall. This would lead to believe that we need to complete all 10 verses before the 11th 'hidden' verse is opened up, which takes us through the Sant-14 story and results in us crafting a shotgun, which we give to Saint-14, but her returns to us after he dies. Player Unknown's video describes that perfect paradox better. At this rate, we got verse 1, and then unlocked 3,4,and 6 this week. At 3 verses per week, we still have 6 to open, so it will be 2 resets before we can complete it and open the final verse/quest. I just hope that in the quest line we actually get to witness first hand Sant-14's final battle (if not help him in it) so we can have a true closure to the chapter.
isn't it possible that this is just a alternate path where if the vex achieve this future then saint-14's death happens? and maybe we could live with him through his battles or watch him headbutt the kell? just thought it'd be cool. great video!
What if, what Osiris sees when in the vault of glass simulation is the fact that the vex have trapped Saint-14 and thats how they are able to see the light they now are feeding off Saint-14s Light and learning from it
So I realize the way we get the quest for his shotgun is a play in his name in a way because from what I’ve seen you do 4 verses and then verse 10 and 14 is in the his name so I think that’s pretty cool or I could just be overthinking it either way it’s pretty neat
Byf, your lore videos do more to push the destiny universe forward than all of bungie. I would like to know if the lore videos are official cannon from bungie or if you flesh out the story with your own ideas? I believe the later is true and I appreciate the work! Your lore vid of the red legion and Gaul made the campaign way more interesting. thanks again!
I'm pretty sure the shotgun is from the 11th verse, linked to a quest line, from Vance, which you can only get after competing the first 10 verses. Can anyone confirm this?
I think we should get a quest or even just more info into Kabr, because all we ever got was the vault of glass grimoire. Hell, we don't even know if he died or became vex
Two things jumped out at me immediately when watching this: 1 saint 14 found osiris on mercury followed him and some how got into the infinite forest and never made it out or 2 it being the dark future saint 14 dies in the future but is still alive in the present. A 3rd possibility comes up where saint 14 is alive and we meet with him in the forest in present day but he dies so our guardian places him in the shrine and that shrine is what you are looking into in the dark future.
despite whether or not Saint-14 is dead or alive; I have to say Byf that image was really beautiful. -- Bungie has really stepped up their game and did an EXCELLENT job at making their scenery more enjoyable to actually look at :D plus your position for that shot was perfect :)
I glitched into the room i have close up screenshots of him, I don’t really know too much about Saint 14, but the body is an exo and has markings on the armor
The body in the keyhole has golden vex all along the staircase and everywhere around it if you go look at it. If it isn’t Saint, then that sure is someone that must be important.
Paul Blart
“Nobody wins with a headbutt”
Saint 14
“Hold my beer”
FeralBunnyDonut that’s one of my favourite movies.
It seems like Asher Mir was right about Titans...
Darkened Silver *can you tell me the expected destructive capacity of the almighty in zettajoules?*
Less then one Saint-14 Headbutt.
FeralBunnyDonut I can actually see that happening. Lol
But if Saint-14s body is found in the dark future where the vex win, and not in the present where we win, does that mean Saint-14 could be alive?
Luke R exactly he's dead in the time line oposite of ours, a time line where the vex won and not us
Luke R I also bring the argument but isn’t the infinite forest just a simulation of the future and he’s still alive
The fact is the lore says that the vex found a way to harvest light and drain it. Saint 14 has probably been dead for millennia in the future.
probably Bungie just add this Easter egg for fun, and they even didn’t think about the story yet.
Your right he still might be alive! 👍
For those of you who are curious, the lore tab of Saint-14's "Perfect Paradox" describes to us the end of his journey. Whether he's alive or dead, no clue. But what came of him was this.
He went to Mercury, seeking Osiris, but never found him. Instead, he remained within the Infinite Forest, doing nothing but seeking out and destroying Vex, for literal centuries. During all this time, the Vex focussed their efforts on him, creating a Vex Mind designed specifically to drain his light- not the light of any Guardian mind you, tuned to the specific resonance and frequency of his light. It took centuries of effort on their part to even do this.
And while it did work, it wasn't enough to kill him. He composes a farewell message while sitting atop the broken husk of this Vex Mind he dismantled.
The message is intended for us. Our guardian. Throughout his journies in the Infinite Forest, he saw us, what we've done, what we will do. And according to him, even met us, (which is likely what will happen in the quest). He called us his "inspiration", and even after losing his light, has hope, knowing that our Guardian will continue his good work. He's entrusted his legacy to us, and has found peace with that.
Daaaamnnn. Im not crying. Im not crying
And then Osiris found him, dead and gave him a proper burial at the place where he died.
still a shit way to introduce 'a legend' into your ACTUAL story. Could have been an epic END to his storyline. Too bad he was never actually INTRODUCED until he died.
But what confuses me is that Osiris (during the campaign) is always mentioning that the Vex cannot predict *us*. How can the Vex predict something that was never in the equation until now? And the lore mentions that someone created the perfect paradox and give it to Saint-14 only to have him return it. And correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the final verse in the forge (the 11th weapon) the Perfect Paradox gun? It isn’t connecting.
Blitz i have this thing. What if we created the perfect paradox and gave it to him when we met him and he returned. Hence why we are able to get it. Long shot but i like to believe
But he's dead in the time line oposite of ours, a time line where the vex won and not us
The Vex cannot simulate light, and the Dark Future timeline that we visit is only a simulation of the future that the vex want. If his body was part of the simulation then his light wouldn't be there.
Osiris literally said after beating the boss "The vex mind is destroyed, and the path to their dark future is gone with it"
Drongo but why can we visit the dark future after beating panoptes?
Or unless he went through time and he was killed there which would make him dead in all realities other than past.
+Drongo that's only one mind the are always others that will take its place to dark future may still happen.
But I wanted to meet Saint-14... :( Edit: I still hope we meet him in the world quest.
TardisPilot 2004 he's not dead you dumb fuck. Watch the video before commenting
Drongo he's dead
The Grand Duke But he's dead in the time line oposite of ours, a time line where the vex won and not us
The Grand Duke don't always listen to byf/ think what he think
But if theyre simulating him, then he probably lost his light
Ok so he is dead in a dark future that doesn't mean he is dead in the present. So hopefully he is still alive. That would fantastic to see him alive!.
RamosXtreme I think he entered the Infinite Forest and died in the simulant future, maybe.
RamosXtreme he could have lost his light and that is why he is dead
RamosXtreme if you read the lore, there was a mind designed just for him and put him down, the reason they gave him a divine grave was because they viewed him as a savior and yea, the mind possibly continues on as his legend in his name
Y3Denied Gaming no because it says he sits on it's husk, means he survived long enough to kill it without his light but he would've died of old or the vex finally got him. You also have to remember that he is a firebreak titan, which means they find a good spot to defend the best they can until they die, he found that hole after killing the light harvester, writing the letter, then the vex starting chasing him and so he did what he was trained to do. Kill as many as he could in that hole in the wall until his last breath. Osiris... Exploring the timelines found his body next to the decimated vex corpses and gave him a proper burial.
You can see him... in the next Destiny 2 expansion for 15$
those purple strands appear on his ship, the gray pidgeon. this is basically saying this is him.
if he is truly dead, i hope we at least get to see some of his past exploits. At least the head butt please
ScarfaceGuru for real
They way hes laying there with the ribbons and the light.. epic
Hey byf, the body also has the same cloth wrappings as the saint 14 exotic ship!
I was going to say this, The Gray Pigeon, no accident there
As a Fellow Titan this almost Brung a tear to my eye
RIP Saint-14, Hero of the Traveler
What if he is not in dead? Guardians have used their powers of light for exceptional things. What if he used all of the light in him to create this time suspended hibernation Until another guardian can use their light to unlock this light safe he is putting himself in. Every guardian that we have seen dead is just that dead. Body laying there. But he is Suspended in air with light all around him.
Finally somebody with an actual plausible theory.
Thats a good point. I hope that is the case. I would hate for Bungie to kill off one of their best characters. So far they have killed off almost all of their characters from the lore (that are guardians). Kabr and his fireteam are dead, Eris Morns team is dead except herself. Jaren Ward, the hunter that wielded The Last Word fell to Dredgen Yor, the legendary HUNTER(not titan) which also fell to Shim Malphur, Jaren Wards "apprentice" if you will. And many more legends dead. but we have yet to meet any of them except Osiris, and only for two seconds just for him to say thanks and then leave us with the dumb bitch Ikora Rey.
If he is being simulated in the future, wouldnt that mean that he can still be alive, but that the vex can see his light, like Osiris?
No saint 14 might have gone into the simulation himself which wouldn't make him a simulation just everything around him would be so if was killed and his ghost was killed it would mean he's dead. In our current time.
MankeyMark but what if hes alive but without a ghost?
I think that the future shows a projected outcome, that being the Vex victory. We may go on a quest to find Saint 14 in present day Mercury. OR perhaps Saint 14 became lost in time, specifically the Dark Future, and died there.
Gary \ vex cannot simulate light. So the fact that he is surrounded by light, means that is the real saint 14
Ezmo G I think people are confused about "simulation". Remember Vex can "simulate" realities. Which means simulations are the realities. When we go into the "simulated" future Mercury, it is an existing reality. It is a reality where the Vex have won.
It is a "simulation" simply because it is not the present. It is the future where the Vex have won. It is not the proper future in relation to our current timeline.
That is St 14 in the future where the Vex have won. That is Light rising off of him in the "simulated" Real Future. The simulation is not artificial in that sense and therefore the light is not simulated.
Can a high optical zoom get a better visual?
James DiBernardo There is a Video from JB3 , he glichted in there
The Quest will come when you obtain all 10 Verse Weapons. Since there are 11 talked about yet only 10 on the list.
I haven't gotten his helm in d2 yet but I hope they change the perk to make the titan shoulder charge a headbutt
Patman4985 it still blinds people
Well bungie missed a huge lore chance but it was a good exotic thanks for letting me know
Patman4985 bungie still could(probably won't) they still could just a different animation gliding forward boom! Headbutt
im so excited to see saint-14’s grave i hope we can scan it, and even learn a little bit as to how he died
he is
implying theres any scannables in curse of osiris
You don’t need to do wall the forged guns. I’d only completed 4 when I got Saint-14 ‘s lost prophecy. It seems like Brother Lookatmesenpai will randomly give it to you in place of the usual weekly fare.
Isn't this just a simulation of a dark future, though? That just means that their goal is to kill him, not necessarily that he is dead as of right now, or that he would die in the near future, because that is a different timeline. For Saint 14 to be dead, the dark future must be fulfilled, which is definitely not what happened. In my opinion, there is still hope of him being alive.
No that's not how it works if you enter the simulation you are not being simulated everything around you is so if you are killed in that simulation it is a real death.
Mohanad Alameer hate to say but what if unlike The vex mind we kill with Osiris, successfully killed Saint-14
MankeyMark what I mean is that he might not have died in the simulation and that this is probably just their goal. We'll all know for sure later on.
I JUST FIGURED THIS OUT - Prediction: Saint 14 chased Osiris into the Infinite Forest. Unable to find him, he accidentally goes into the Dark Future, where Panoptes sends a never ending amount of enemies to kill him. Saint 14, unable to kill a never ending horde dies, or somehow becomes trapped. Osiris later finds his body and has him displayed as shown with a little opening in the wall so that others or himself who find this place again, will see that this is the resting place of the legendary Saint 14.
I'm so mad that Saint-14 is dead. Like why do the Warlocks get to meet their God among Warlocks, and the Titans' God among Titans is dead. I was hoping that Saint-14 could play a huge role in D2 in helping the city and everything after the Cabal invasion but now he is gone and I'm pretty annoyed about this. Like why does Bungie do this to us, they literally Game of Thrones any figures in the lore who we have never met in the actual. RIP Saint-14 the Greatest Titan to ever hold Light.
CMAIK This dosen't mean he is dead
CMAIK that’s sad, at least we hunters are seeing Ana bray on dlc 2 apparently, sorry for titans though
+Emiliano Barrios Ana bray was killed at twilight Gap. That's not confirmed it was her in the picture.
Who else would have the Bray family logo? Osiris was thought to be most likely dead too.
MankeyMark It was never confirmed that she died
"I've killed enough Vex to end a war."
* Looking around at the mountains of dead Vex around him. *
Yeah, no kidding.
This is why I love destiny. Hidden gems of lore. From the world. I truly wish bungie would take advantage of these things much more
KageVincent I do as well. However that would go over the heads of the "casuals" that bungie are so fond of, sadly. So we're left with the shell of something brilliant. God this game had so much potential. Now... I'm just waiting for ranked play to keep me playing until d3. I hope we get some kickass guns and a meta that's aimed at being skilled. I miss jumping into a room with four dudes in it, walk out if it having had a big shit on their chests, with Shaxx screaming at me because now he needs to wash his jockstrap after seeing what I just did to those poor souls.
Rune Ytterland the game will probably reach its highest point at the start of year 2 with its giant "taken king" like expansion. Seems to be going the same as d1 originally did rn
I've already watched a few videos today about this very topic. Byf's video is so much more concise and planned out, as are all of his videos! Keep up the good work, Byf!
Maby he can be revived (and saving him unlocks hord mode)
daniel dragotti we almost got a horde mode with the heroic adventure defense missions. They can really make those into awesome hord modes
daniel dragotti pray to oryx that's the case
Go into the simulant future where the sun is black and u and friends fight in a blackend earth ringed in vex
Possibly if the is still light surrounding him maybe he's just in a sleep not dead or his ghost is damaged and can't revive him.
But that would mean bungie doing something right...
I just wanted to take this opportunity to say ty for the work you put in to your videos I really enjoy them
I've been waiting for this! I really love his lore!
The way to get in the burial site is to buy the 9.99$ burial place dlc
I think he’s alive in our timeline but just lost and when he returns he’ll be the new speaker become what his father figure was
Proud to know he fought for centuries against the Vex before they got him RIP to the greatest Titan I never met!
I’m not crying
Your crying
Jack Fowler we are all crying
You're *
Byf, this was epic! The way you tell it makes it feel so much more than just a story. It brings emotion, heart and soul to it. If this truly is Saint14 then he must have been supremely strong given the light is still bathing him even now.
I really do hope Bungie can get this character story right, Saint14 deserves it.
Looking forward to the full video
I dont think he is dead, and if he is it's only in the simulation, because to be killed by the vex in the forest would mean to be erased from time itself, unless in really confused and that only applies to vog.
Thank you for all your Lore detailed explanations. You put a lot of the story/history out there in an easy to find and well explained, detail oriented format. Great job and thanks again.
Almost looks like that one room where predyth was in taken king
It looks very vault of glass reminiscent.
Byf I agree with the time travel part you said because the lore tab of saint-14s helm mentions how he says he saw the future and fought the battle of six front fueled on the idea of a guardian savior(the player most likely) coming to help
My thinking: If the Vex are "draining his light," wouldn't they need to keep him alive? Because if a guardian dies, isn't their light extinguished? Also, I am thinking that the world quest would be unlocked once all of the lost prophecies are completed, and this quest is the culmination of the lost prophecies?
The other thing is, the Vex can't mimic light, which means one of three things
1. They researched his corpse to mimic light
2. He's still alive
3. His corpse is somehow giving off light
Your video on Saint-14’s lore from D1 is amazing and as a Titan main he is without a doubt my favorite character in all of Destiny lore! I really hope they do right by him in the quest line! My clan mates knew how much I love the character so when I finished the campaign for CoO they said they wanted to help me run the first Adventure, but said it helps to run a black shader and have a sniper rifle. Completely oblivious to what they were doing until they told me to come to that door way and peek through the hole. I was speechless!
What is the gun at the beginning?
The first gun that you get from the forge in the lighthouse from the first verse
Destiny Gamer garden progeny 1, a vex scout rifle
Destiny Gamer The first “Lost Verse” gun.
Destiny Gamer a forge weapon
My favorite lore character dead, I hope he gets a proper send off. May you walk in the light always saint-14.
Hit me right in the goosebumps with the music and the image of him floating there at the end.
I love this channel
I was doing this mission right now and when you get to where you can see saint 14, if you hear closely it sounds like a broadcast signal going out
I'm not crying
Vince Lorona same
Wipes away tear*
Vince Lorona I’m not crying, you’re crying
I about lost my shit when I got this Lost Prophecy. Saw the video a few days before that then I was actually doing the quest?!??! Cooler than you could imagine! Even found the vault-don’t usually get to cool content so soon after watching a new video about it. I hope it was everything you wanted, Byf.
His death will not go in vain we shall destroy the vex no matter how many times now who's with me?!
Golden Jaws ME
Me
Absolutely amazing video as always sir!
Comment war
Warlock, titan or hunter
Warlock master race
Hunter masterclass forever!
I play as a hunter myself but I'll admit warlocks and titans are more powerful than us in game, lore wise I think the hunters are cooler
Hunter..
Titan and Warlock jumps be damned.
Hunter cuz jumping
Every titan, in memory of our lost brother, we all run ward of dawn for the remainder of this week.
Day 3 of the DLC game is dead as the corpse
Why are you here?
King Fox Your dead!
still 6 pages of friends on my roster playing...I mean if this is dead, wtf is alive?
ashenrevenant i wouldnt bother, they never reply 😕
Cap White I haven't played destiny 2 for a month now. I'm still here. Why? Because I still care. We're allowed not to like something and still care, right? I care because I played d1 for 2000+ hours and I'm super into the lore. I'm going to keep considering myself a destiny gamer, even if I'm having a bit of a break because d2 is a boring turd of a game, that can, get better over time. If you think differently... Well, fuck you, 1v1 me in asylum m8. Idiot.
Not sure if anyone has done the quest yet, but I'm on it right now, you've got to progress all the way through the forge weapons to unlock the world quest.
Did anybody else realize, besides me, when reading the lore tab of the gun in the game that the shotgun is not just called Perfect Paradox, but it is an actual perfect paradox.
Wow... as a Titan exo main who held him as a personal idol lore wise, this is beyond crushing to see. I really hope we get to meet him somehow, he deserves better than an Easter Egg and a simple quest to get his gear.
I get chills everytime i hear the outro amazing work my friend
The music that plays while we're looking at him is perfect. So epic
you get the quests during weapon forging quests. i stood next to the corpse 2 days ago :) the quest chain "another verse" becommes available after verse 10 weapon crafting is complete.
I have seen a video of a guy that has got into that room. He went up to the body in question and it has silver armour that is similar to the material on the helmet. Also upon closer inspection, the race is exo. A male exo with a dark silver material/face
I hope Bungie delivers an epic tale of Saint-14 worth of his iconic legend as well.
I love your lore videos and been watching them since HoW. I know you'll create a lore video worthy of his remembrance & truly looking forward to that.
That shotgun is the 11th node on the weapon forge. There are 10 weapons and upon forging all 10 you can get this shotgun. It's believed that you unlock this quest and this is how you get the shotgun.
Omg! In the illuminated engram you can find Saint-14’s ship! With the same blue banners hanging from his body... also read the lore I really recommend it you will be surprised at the text... to Byf.
I'm watching on a cracked screen, Saint-14's body is perfectly laying in a non-cracked portion of my screen
Byf's lovely voice and beautiful music only makes it better
Great video & looking forward to a full St. 14 tale! I want to see his body for myself.
Yo Byf, think you could offer your input on the exotic ship "Kabr's Glass Aegis"? Personally I believe it's foreshadowing the return of Kabr, because in the description, the possibility for return in the past is impossible, the present is vestigial, and the future is inevitable.
But I think he will be a hybrid Guardian/Vex, because it's written in first person, albeit stuttering due to the joining of Kabr and the vex.
But the icing on the cake is the very last line, which reads "It was/was/was not done I/I speak again and was wrong I am still him and I am now them and THAT IS FUTURE."
This of course I believe is referencing Kabr's grimoire card that said along the lines "if I speak again, it will not be me".
Yea, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on the matter, if we'll see him possibly soon, seeing as how we're dealing with the vex and the only info pertaining to Kabr dropped with a vex dlc.
I'm not sure where I saw this but I remember something that said "If the vex actually succeeded in what we call "Time Travel" we wouldn't be here anymore" I think it was in a lore item.. A weapon or armor, I can't quite remember but I don't think we'll ever time travel for real, since the vex don't time travel, they make simulations. I don't think they would have a simulation of the six fronts or anything unless they took that memory from Saint-14 which could be possible but if we do go to the six fronts it would be a simulation of what happened that day at the very least so our interference wouldn't change anything but it would be amazing to see Saint-14 in his glory. Maybe Osiris could be linked to the mission since he was the one that was able to show us how beautiful Mercury was in the past and maybe he could show us some of Saint-14's memories.. Who knows but here's hoping bungie does him justice >
Seeing his body in that position and bathed in the light makes me feel...happy. I hope the quest behind the "Perfect Paradox" is beautiful :)
The lore tab on his helm gives us some insight on his personality
Saw a little about the tab and it's some real timey-wimey-stuff.... Looking forward to the video, Sir! Greetings from Denmark
Hold up, saints body is in the future simulation sooo what if the vex stumbled upon him and made a copy of him and put him supposedly dead in the future sim. Now the saint might be trapped inside the infinite forest while his ‘copy’ is dead in the dark future. That would explain why the shotgun is called Perfect Paradox because he is both dead and alive at the same time.
I think that in the Grimoire card where he fights the kell, it says that he was sent to Mercury to stop Osiris from doing something.
videos like this get me somewhat choked up. not really, but it makes me feel something heavy if that makes sense. i love lore like this
The world quest does seem to confirm Saints death, but I did like the idea that since the Up and Up takes place in the future, perhaps his death has not come to pass in the present. Would have been cool to know the fate of a character yet still get to interact with him.
I believe Unknown Player said that the only way to acquire the quest is to forge all the prophecy weapons. That would mean that this will unlock in about 3 weeks, since you can only forge 4 weapons a week. Either way, I am very interested and hope that the shotgun as well as the quest is amazing.
The quest is unlocked through completion of the prophecy tablets acquired from brother Vance
There are a few vids out in which some people have managed to glitch their way inside the tomb and it is indeed the body of an Exo male. So hopefully that means that the quest will allow us to see him up close and pay our respects if we choose.
Something about saint-15 really speaks to me. Mostly the fact he is a fellow Sentinel Titan but also his noble and heroic nature.
I'm getting this dark souls Artorias sense with saint-14. Not that they can be completely comparable but more of that kind of respect from us as players when we read or hear the actual achievements and lore for a character that has done so much for a universe.
I do have a question, when we lost our light in Destiny 2 did Osiris also lose his connection to the light. Pardon me if this is a "duh" question, or if i missed something in the lore of Osiris. Thanks MyNameIsByf for the awesome videos, and helping me fall in love even more with Destiny's lore.
Aaron Kunzler I don't thinks so, he was probably time traveling through multiple realities and times in spaces where the traveler was fine and giving all the Guardians their light.
well then y is he a dawn blade now
If you look at the cloth hanging off of the body it looks exactly the same as the cloth or whatever that is hanging off of the exotic ship you can get now that stats is Saint-14s ship. That alone confirms it for me.
I have an idea... What if Saint 14s fate is not too much unlike Praeydeths??? While yes, they are dead... in one of many timelines, we must remember that Praeydeth and possibly Saint 14 have become paradoxes and while we may or not save Saint 14 from his fate, bringing him from the original timeline to ours(yes, i believe our timeline is like that of dbz, how there is a dark original where nobody wins) they are both alive, dead, and neither as long as the vex remain in control of time.
We have but one choice my fellow guardians.
We must find the Ahamkara.Salty-32 ending transmission
I hope we have like a flashback mission where our guardian and Saint 14 meet and fight alongside each other.
I'm surprised you didn't connect the purple ribbons covering his body to those on the exotic ship, Saint-14's Gray Pigeon
The son like the father fell against the enemies of light. A tale of sorrow of one who stood defiant against the darkness and held it back.
I wonder if saint 14 is not just one titan, but an image that is taken up by many, hence why you can get his helmet, and this corpse was simply the first one to take up the image, and was also the one to become the titan vanguard
2 more resets before we get the quest.
Credit to Player Unknown for this part - There are 10 verses for the forge, but 11 slots on the wall. This would lead to believe that we need to complete all 10 verses before the 11th 'hidden' verse is opened up, which takes us through the Sant-14 story and results in us crafting a shotgun, which we give to Saint-14, but her returns to us after he dies. Player Unknown's video describes that perfect paradox better.
At this rate, we got verse 1, and then unlocked 3,4,and 6 this week. At 3 verses per week, we still have 6 to open, so it will be 2 resets before we can complete it and open the final verse/quest. I just hope that in the quest line we actually get to witness first hand Sant-14's final battle (if not help him in it) so we can have a true closure to the chapter.
isn't it possible that this is just a alternate path where if the vex achieve this future then saint-14's death happens? and maybe we could live with him through his battles or watch him headbutt the kell? just thought it'd be cool. great video!
What if, what Osiris sees when in the vault of glass simulation is the fact that the vex have trapped Saint-14 and thats how they are able to see the light they now are feeding off Saint-14s Light and learning from it
So I realize the way we get the quest for his shotgun is a play in his name in a way because from what I’ve seen you do 4 verses and then verse 10 and 14 is in the his name so I think that’s pretty cool or I could just be overthinking it either way it’s pretty neat
Byf, your lore videos do more to push the destiny universe forward than all of bungie. I would like to know if the lore videos are official cannon from bungie or if you flesh out the story with your own ideas? I believe the later is true and I appreciate the work! Your lore vid of the red legion and Gaul made the campaign way more interesting. thanks again!
I'm pretty sure the shotgun is from the 11th verse, linked to a quest line, from Vance, which you can only get after competing the first 10 verses. Can anyone confirm this?
I think we should get a quest or even just more info into Kabr, because all we ever got was the vault of glass grimoire. Hell, we don't even know if he died or became vex
You know what happens to the legends of the tower, they often end up dead.
Please make the full video soon!!! 😭 I need his lore! I've loved that titan more than any other I need some resolution dammit
Never change the outro. It is epic, and it will stay epic!
The lore on forged weapons are amazing. I’ve only got two of them but. Wow
Two things jumped out at me immediately when watching this: 1 saint 14 found osiris on mercury followed him and some how got into the infinite forest and never made it out or 2 it being the dark future saint 14 dies in the future but is still alive in the present. A 3rd possibility comes up where saint 14 is alive and we meet with him in the forest in present day but he dies so our guardian places him in the shrine and that shrine is what you are looking into in the dark future.
despite whether or not Saint-14 is dead or alive; I have to say Byf that image was really beautiful. -- Bungie has really stepped up their game and did an EXCELLENT job at making their scenery more enjoyable to actually look at :D plus your position for that shot was perfect :)
For anyone who likes the background music --->Remembrance soundtrack from Destiny: The Taken King DLC
God I love your videos, gives me chills everytime! Keep it up man!
That was a shocking image. I didn't expect to see that. I'm still shocked by that wow!
Love the content dude keep it up. You put a smile on my face
I glitched into the room i have close up screenshots of him, I don’t really know too much about Saint 14, but the body is an exo and has markings on the armor
Man, I really do hope we get more lore on Lysander in d2 and the consensus
The body in the keyhole has golden vex all along the staircase and everywhere around it if you go look at it. If it isn’t Saint, then that sure is someone that must be important.