Only on their machine worlds or in their constructs like the Vault of Glass or Pyramidian. Venus and Io are safe atm whereas Mercury and Nessus are screwed.
This takes for granted that creatures found on Io would have bones similar to ours. With an alien biology, the structures analogous to bones might look like this whether they died a few years ago or in the very distant past. Great videos though.
The answer is in that very lore bite you read byf. The one about dragons still being in the system.... The bones aren't from dragons, they're from a biosphere which the traveler created, a biosphere it was constructing when it was interrupted by the collapse. The voice log mentions how "life just appeared all over the system" when the traveler came. The traveler is basically a no holds barred terraforming machine, and a functional biosphere is very important for terraforming. Because it's work was unfinished, the biosphere quickly died as the climate reverted, possibly oceans dried up or shifted quickly due to volcanic activity. The first and final mass extinction event for world being made. as for similarities to earth life...well...the traveler probably wanted all the worlds to be earth-like, so the logical step is to use historical earth life as a basis for the biosphere
DaZed I bet you in later DLC's and sequels they'll come back and the player will start to realize why they we're so important in these games... Maybe anyways...
I don't think these are dragon bones, to be perfectly honest. It would make sense, given the location and its link to the Traveller, but there's one thing that sticks out to me. The bones are in a layer of the rock formations that puts it on the same area of the geologic time scale with the other fossils, shells and trilobites and all that. This means that they are from roughly the same time period, unless there was some massive geologic event that pushed up early fossils after the Ahamkara were wiped out. They're likely sea creatures then, whales or some type of underwater leviathan, like you mentioned, and the area we traverse on Io is just a dried up ocean floor. The environment seems to support that, imagine it as the bottom of an ocean and it would fit perfectly. Thanks, college geology! You finally paid off!
Jonathan Parker only issue with your theory is that before he traveler’s arrival within our system, the solar system was the same as the one we currently live in. Unfortunately that means that no, these bones are not as old as you say and could not predate the traveler’s arrival. You are correct in your analysis of the bones be covered and the shifting of the ground could be attributed to the Vex and their terraforming of the moon.
I'm not saying that they predate the Traveller's arrival, just that they're likely large sea creatures, not Ahamkara. The Traveller did terraform these worlds to some extent, at least to the point where they're semi-habitable (Guardians still wear vacuum sealed suits, after all), and that might come with the notion that Earth-like life could have been present on other worlds during the Golden Age. The large trilobite fossils and huge shells seem to indicate that life definitely took a slightly different turn, but it existed nonetheless. Giant whales? Maybe, who knows? You're right, they're definitely from the Golden Age, not from before. The possibility of Vex interference in the planet's geology seems somewhat likely, considering what Mercury looks like in Destiny, but I still think that the bones are from the same time period as the others.
Well, in ghost fragment: Warlock 1, the warlock does state that broken Ahamkara vertebrae was a fossil. So it’s possible that these are indeed from Ahamkara.
Am i the only one that thinks that the bones look like giant serpent on titan? It also explains why there were bones of aquatic bones like the ammonite shells and the troglodytes
Bungie is basically stating in these comments that they basically make things in Destiny that bring up questions that they never intend to answer in the lore. If you listen closely, the guy basically states that in his first answer.
troglodytte is a prehistoric cave man, the word you are looking for is trilobite. but yea between the ammonite/crinoid looking fossils i was gonna say that it looks like it was all under water. and the bones actually share alot of similatiries with whale bones. but also it seems like the lack like major joints like pelvis's and such, so i was thinking maybe like the worm/leviathan thingy we see on titan.
Fantastic vid. Love that there's so much depth to the Destiny universe. Could you do some kind of back story on a few of the main characters? Thinking specifically of Devrim Kay, but there are a few like him that I'm curious about. Who are they? Where did they come from? What are there stories? Do we know anything about these people?
That last point makes the most sense, them being sea creatures because looking at the landscape, the layered look of the elevated terrain, makes everything look like it had been underwater at some point. Hadn’t noticed it until you mentioned that
If a few Google searches are to be believed, troglodytes are the DnD creatures, as opposed to the cave dwelling troglobite, and the trilobites in the video that were mistakenly called troglodytes and.....urgh, I'm going to stop before all these words lose any meaning and start sounding strange
Knowing a little bit about world building, it’s 100% both. They would’ve already determined some way that they can plug them into the lore before putting them in, even if the original purpose of putting them in was just the rule of cool. It’s just like most flavor text is written after the items are developed. The lore informs the flavor text, and the flavor text further fleshes out the lore.
Hey in destiny 1 I'm pretty sure we do have an example of the bones of a fully grown ahamkara. There's that one mission on the moon where you delve really deep into the hive structure, fight a boss there I think and then you have to escape really fast, the final room is surrounded by the bones of a massive ahamkara and I'm pretty sure the game tells you that it's an ahamkara.
Shaxx's skulk that hangs in the crucible section has blots of yellow like the bones on Io so just wondering if that means anything keep up the good work
What if they bring "the hunt" back as a seasonal even similar to festival of the lost or srl? Not sure how that would work or what season but that would be amazing if it had it's own mini quest line, brings in 1 new strike (where you battle an ahamkara) that would stay permanently and maybe 1 exotic weapon?
Trai Loma or instead it's treated as a patrol area raid type thing where you can activate it using a beacon which would place a public event style marker on the map. All of this would lead up to a WOW style boss fight
What about adding them as a public event like they did in Destiny 1 with things like the Blades of Crota, the House of Wolves raiding parties, the Taken forces corrupting an area etc etc. There could be swarms of baby Ahamkara that flock into an area and killing enough of them or a specific one could turn it Heroic where a dragon mother would come to protect her brood, obviously nothing as big as those skeletons though lol
One thing to point out is that the trilobite fossils implying that the surface of Io was once covered by an ocean doesn't rule out the Ahamkara. According to the Book of sorrows video you did (quality content btw) Arash and her sisters originally found the Ahamkara or Worm Gods at the bottom of an ocean on fundament. During which they passed and spoke with a laviathin. Just something interesting to ponder.
i think you might've overthought the fossil-bones thing a bit when the dev referred to them as bones. in casual conversation people use the word "bones" a lot more than "fossil" because the two seem synonymous.
Daryll W I agree not everyone cares too much about the use of the word fossil in many contexts...in fact most of the time in museums when they are discussing about the fossils they refer to them as bones so...I wouldn't look too deep into that conversation about IO especially since they EVEN said they didn't want to spoil the surprise.
I would love to hear about the concept of “Dark Guardians” if there are enough lore tabs and cards that suggest dark powers. The Nezarec Sin video was intriguing.
When i got the notification for this video i read bones of io and immediately thought of the bones of eao exotic from destiny one. The description for that exotic is "Defy extinction". Am i the only one seeing a connection?????
There should be an exotic quest to make a chest plate or something subclass specific that makes you explore Io looking for the strongest bones to make your armor of...
It would be cool if they made a strike were you kill a ahamkara and you bring the bones to someone and you choose what to make like a gun or whatever armor peice you want
Given how the "Bones" have a similar look as the rocks and the other fossils, I think that the bones belonged to whales on Io. But the fact that you mentioned that the Ahemkara have always shown up where the Traveler has (I think) begs the question: Is it possible that the Ahemkara were the escorts of the Traveler as it went through dark space? Could they be the very first iteration of Ghosts? Or are they more akin to Guardians without light, but still just as if not more powerful than one?
What if they were a very early (perhaps even the first) species chosen by the traveller to wield it's power and escorted it to protect it from the darkness, or perhaps a darker scenario where in the traveller feeds off of our deeds much the same as how the worms feed off of the hive killings and the Ahamkara follow it and feed off of its scraps like pilot fish do with larger sea creatures.
Scourgeslayer94 Maybe not as a guild but more of a protector. Remember, the traveler caused the Collapse to protect its-self, using the solar system as a sacrifice to hide from the Darkness. The dragons probably wielded its light and protected it from the Darkness. More so, at the end of the campaign, you see the Darkness so far out of our galaxy. Maybe some of the Ahemkara drove away the light to this place so that the traveler would be safe, again protecting it from harms way.
Hey Byf, just wanted to say your videos are great, (especially books of sorrow but I'm biased), anyway I think the lore of destiny is amazing, especially the references to ontology, teleology, etc.
117darksonic ok, but aren't we supposed to get 2 DLCs in the next 12 months, we've already seen a monthly faction rally to go with Iron Banner (although I'm definitely hoping both those activities get more love) I also absolutely understand why they wouldn't have added much to the final 2 years of destiny when the smart thing would be to keep most of your engineers working on D2
I’ve been asking and waiting for this video forever, satisfying? Yes. Left me with more questions? Definitely. Thank you for helping to keep lore mystery alive, we hunger for it.
Heyyy Byf I love ur videos dude they rlly help clearing up the lore especially the ahamkara and all the hive stuff so just wanted to say thanks for helping the community w these topics and other info vids soooo pretty much just saying thanks for the great content and smooth accent 😂😂🖖
One thing you need to consider regarding fossils is the conditions required to form a fossil in the first place. If those skeletons are indeed fossils, all of Io would need to have been submerged in water at some time, and the remains needed to be quickly covered with sediment. For that amount of fossilized remains, over that great of area, a great extinction event may have occured, and they very well may have all been ocean creatures.
I wish destiny patrol is more like horizon zero dawn where you can see wildlife roaming around the place, it would be so cool having some kind of giant skull crawler (from Kong:skull island) walking around the place and chasing you down on a sparrow if it sees you. Or dragons flying in the air. Kinda making you really feel like your on a different planet.
right except one game has heart and the other is a soulless cash maker. they wont do stuff like that because they dont have to, we will buy the game and all dlc anyway
A few things I noticed about the bones/fossils: 1) no heads for the big ones, some of the other sea-creatury-things have heads, but they are also pretty much complete. There's no big skulls lying around. 2) no limbs, we see ribs and spines, but no claws or flippers or wings or legs or anything. Some of the big spinal columns have big protrusions on them, which might indicate dorsal fins. So maybe snakelike beings (like wyrms or dragons)? 3) there's boatloads of bones pretty close together. If you're a very big creature, you're not likely to be snuggling with your buddies all the damn time, you keep your space for wiggling about without bumping into each other all the time. So either this is one single creature (as said somewhere else in the comments) or it's a graveyard where they went to die or were stacked after being killed with their heads taken as trophies (like the thing at shaxx's) 4) the smaller fossils (trilobites and such) are generally close to the big bits, so maybe the tinies were eaten by the bigger ones? Or maybe thrown into a big pile by whatever killed every lifeform on this moon. Maybe it's something like the seamonster on titan?
Imagine a quest arriving in the traveler finding Ahamkara bones and spirits (much like the subclass missions) that would be so cool and very interesting, being able to explore and learn more of our origin and the travelers along with the Ahamkara's arrival
Assuming the pyramid is in fact another tool of the darkness, I mean has anyone else thought that maybe Osiris (whose MIA but has the name of an ancient Egyptian god) could have built himself a pyramid?
Brandon Dew I believe the light show at the end of the storyline was a challenge to the darkness and a rallying call to all those who support the light.
jimmy burns fair point but why would Osiris and his followers be outside of the Galaxy..that part doesn't make any sense. Plus they only reacted after the light touched them.. Osiris is a guardian therefore he already has the light and wouldn't wake up...the light wave was probably a warning call to the darkness a challenge if you will... while being a rally call to those who support the light
Robert Kellerman ok, so what if the Pyramid is fueled by light and the traveler finally filled the batteries, maybe Osiris cobbled it together with Vex tech to protect the traveler, again just an idea
I think something that further points toward the bones not being from ahamkara is that even tho dead physically, dragon bones will still whisper to us. So if we were in a mass graveyard of them I feel we or Asher or someone would mention or notice at least some consistent dragon whisperings. But no one does.
I believe the theory of sea creature fossils because in the vision your guardian gets in the game, that Byf played around the end of the video you can see the traveler hover above what looks like a city but it was not on earth. You can see that same city or structure on Io when we first get spawned in while playing the campaign. In the vision the hawk flies in water right in front of that structure meaning that while terra forming Io it allowed the planet to develop oceans so this could be credit to that theory. Then after a few scenes the hawk apparition surfaces on earth showing the destroyed traveler shard, symbolizing the journey of the traveler from where it was to where it is now.
I'm thinking they might indeed be amakara bones that are a couple centuries old. If by the opening scene for Destiny is go off the traveler became an interest when it visited mars. So Io could've transformed way before that event to possible start the golden age in the Destiny universe. Io could've been filled with oceans and the amakara lived beside what was once there on Io. Then came the calapse where io could've been devastated with a mass extinction event for those creatures including some amakara, but some could've escaped and then continued living there until guardians hunted them to close to extinction. Would be cool if the osiris had you travel to the pyramidian which causes you to go through a gate that closes once you enter to io before the calapse and maybe visit old places in different time eras becasue that seems a very vex like expansion.
Byf, going back any watching the video about the Darkness and the strange ships in the final cutscene of D2, they have shown these "ships" before in Destiny concept art. If I remember correctly there was one of a fleet of them and also a group of them firing some sort of beam onto a planet. I hope this helps with any lore. Have a great day!
"Asher Mir" is an anagram of Reshiram which is a (fire) dragon from Pokemon. (just sayin...) I wonder if there are any bones / fossils for Pikachu? :) Great lore videos though Byf - always enjoy your content! Keep up the great work
it would be really interesting if maybe in curse of Osiris since it seems like we will be time traveling that there is an alternate location for Io or maybe a temporal instability within the existing destination where an ahamkara or other dragon like creature would spawn in periodically as a sort of world boss that can drop recourses that you can turn in to Asher or Ikora or somebody for unique gear or maybe just drop unique gear outright. It's a far fetched Idea but I think that this could be a really interesting and entertaining addition to the endgame and a source for unique rewards.
Something that I was thinking of, is that if those were Ahamkara bones, and if the Ahamkara are the hive work gods, imagine the power of the darkness that was there, and when the traveler showed up to terraform it, the amount of Light that was combating the Darkenss there, then imagine the battle that took place
I believe they are ahamkara bones. They're known to cause hallucinations and make you hear things that shouldn't be heard and if you go to the tree near the cave urzok spawns (near the lost sector in lost oasis), you can hear noises coming from within. Scratching. Maybe the bones have been there for so long that they affect the nature of Io itself
Makes sense for io to have been underwater, think about the landscape and how many smoothed out canyons there are, all kind of things that could either have been carved out buy bodies of water, but also could be things like underwater trenches
Maybe they’re a warning made by the traveler. Take this with a grain of salt: The leviathan was hunted and killed by the hive, a force of darkness. Also note that the only bones that we find are the ribs and spine, no limbs or a head. This possibly implies that either: A. Multiple serpentine creatures living together, Or... B. The body is just really, really big. To... Leviathan sizes, if you will. There’s a bit more symbolism. The Traveler was the 52nd moon of Fundament, so the chances of It observing the events of the Books of Sorrow are incredibly likely. The Leviathan inhabited the oceans of the gas giant, thus it shows the remains of creatures that were in our own oceans that most people would pretty easily recognize (However the only way of it knowing that these creatures existed on Earth before its arrival while still on Io may mean it visited Earth, and if that’s true, then the darkness possibly caused the Ordovician extinction, but that’s a topic for another day!). Also note that the species visited by the traveler which had contact with the leviathan was the Ammonite (Ammonites liter the surface amongst the bones). They were eliminated simultaneously by the hive, which are essentially servants of the darkness. This could have been an early warning from the traveler by telling us (in this cryptic form of communication) the demise of the Leviathan along with the Ammonite. In this instance, we were the next on the chopping block, telling us to leave or prepare while we could. It’s possible that the Traveler tried this method with other civilizations (I.e. the Fallen), which failed again and again. Assuming it has sympathy, it tried to save all species it encountered. With omens of the darkness to come. (btw This probably sounds dumb.)
Interesting question. If I’m I don’t know destiny 3 expansion pack 3 we meet a living dragon. Would that be a jumping the shark moment in the franchise? Destiny has been very careful to keep things very sci-fi with a magic undertone but the races we fight are super sci fi. To see a dragon that doesn’t look like some kind of crazy alien beast might clash with the style the game has made.
My main thing about the arhamkara is that all the confirmed bones, skulls, whatever are very small and comparable to large dogs or maybe a lion where shaxx's skull is. The bones on Io are massive
Just a couple points to think about. 1. These are the same bones as the ones on the moon in D1. Could be lore significant or just recycling of old assets. 2. The Traveler terraformed Io and could have potentially lifted the land up from an ocean, thus exposing the bones/fossils to the surface. 3. Playing off of the same thought, the life forms on Io could have also been affected by the Traveler, either being created initially or growing exponentially and then dying upon reaching the surface. 4. The Vex are on Io and are an ocean based life form. The fossils/bones could be connected as they are also ocean based.
I just watched your video about Sabathoon before this and before that I watched a video about leaks coming out. FOR ANYONE READING SPOILERS AHEAD! In the upcoming content (don't know when this is going to happen but it probably will) we are going to Ganymede. Now mentioning this, you said in this video that in one of the descriptions that someone saw a dragon on Jupiter. This makes me think that this might have been a place where some may have died, but others escaped, mostly to places out of our reach. Also, the developers said that the bones would be coming back for a story line deeper into the game. I am thinking this is how it will all come together: You go to Ganymede and start searching around. Suddenly, you find out vex have been conducting experiments on something huge, something that grants power to all who ask of it. You will stop the vex only to find out it is one of the dragons you thought went extinct during the hunt all those centuries ago. (At least this is how I hope Bungie does this)
I would like you to elaborate on an adventure on Nessus. (I’m sorry I don’t have the name ofThe adventure on hand) It was the Vex sending messages directly to our ghost and the final message was the Vex asking our ghost to “Come home”. This gave me chills! Is our ghost Vex tech? Were those lights in the Vault of Glass Ghosts to come? Are we more closely related to the Vex than we think?
The shells are definitely fossils, bear in mind that fossils are mineral replacements of existing bones or shells, other calcareous deposits. The spines seen are very similar to ocean mammals, with their large spiny protrusions from the vertebra, and are quite different compared to lizard spines. Definitely seems to be an ocean environment with the existence of ammonites and trilobites.
I was reading the lore tab on the titan helmet from the raid. and it talks about a race called the clipse, and how they lived a very threatened and hard life. But they were no match for the leviathan. Who are the clipse? And how many planets did Callus visit in his exile? Did he just terrorize planets?
It's completely possible that the bones were "disturbed" from their original position due to the vex. You can see jagged vex prisms sticking out of the ground and we saw on nessus that the vex also modify the area below the surface.
Long time viewer but first time to comment :D. Personally I do want more wildlife to be apart of Destiny. It's not as intriguing to me as the Ahamkara or some supernatural beast that we have yet known as the player. But I think adding more wildlife to the game would help with creating "enemy" types/classes that fans want more of. Just makes me think about games where the aggressive wildlife are a threat besides the other regular enemy classes such as the Cabal, the Fallen, etc. It's a lot to ask, maybe, but just think about fighting the taken or whatever and a damn "space bear" can attack either you or the enemy class just because they are wild "animals". I think that would be cool and add more life in the explorable spaces. And idk maybe we can learn to tame some like the white tiger in the pre Destiny 1 concept art. But thanks for your content. You've inspired me to really immerse myself into the story of Destiny and helped me fall more in love with this game. Would love to know if you read this because I wanna feel special lol. Keep up the fantastic work, Byf. See you Starside.
Mayhaps the ahemkara have a larva like stage and tramsform like catipillars to butterflies, explaining the other types of bones. Also we dont even know if the ahemkara were land sky or sea creatures, if they are sea creatures that would also explain the other bones
theres a chance its ahamkara. on one of cayde's treasure maps, they talk of albios's funeral. and I read on some blue armor piece that albios was one of the last to fight the ahamkara. could be related.
I think the bones every where on io is bones from the worms of the darkness. I also think it could be related to the sea monster on titan. It could be the same because like he mentioned, that you see other ocean creatures on io meaning that is was sea life at some point in time. So maybe they are the same thing.
Due to the other ocean based fossils scattered around the surface, it could be argued that they are the remains of laviathans similar in species to The one referenced in the books of sorrow.
The distinction between bones and fossils falls apart when you remember that the vex mess with time.
Only on their machine worlds or in their constructs like the Vault of Glass or Pyramidian. Venus and Io are safe atm whereas Mercury and Nessus are screwed.
Whoa...
Maybe they experimented with time travel here in studying Earth's past and goofed
This takes for granted that creatures found on Io would have bones similar to ours. With an alien biology, the structures analogous to bones might look like this whether they died a few years ago or in the very distant past. Great videos though.
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The answer is in that very lore bite you read byf. The one about dragons still being in the system....
The bones aren't from dragons, they're from a biosphere which the traveler created, a biosphere it was constructing when it was interrupted by the collapse. The voice log mentions how "life just appeared all over the system" when the traveler came. The traveler is basically a no holds barred terraforming machine, and a functional biosphere is very important for terraforming. Because it's work was unfinished, the biosphere quickly died as the climate reverted, possibly oceans dried up or shifted quickly due to volcanic activity. The first and final mass extinction event for world being made.
as for similarities to earth life...well...the traveler probably wanted all the worlds to be earth-like, so the logical step is to use historical earth life as a basis for the biosphere
Ryukachoo if an ocean did dry up, do you think the bones could belong to the sea monsters on titan
Every bone in this game is a damn ahamkara
DaZed I bet you in later DLC's and sequels they'll come back and the player will start to realize why they we're so important in these games... Maybe anyways...
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Last wish, Riven, Savathun’s wing patterns, goddamn.
I don't think these are dragon bones, to be perfectly honest. It would make sense, given the location and its link to the Traveller, but there's one thing that sticks out to me. The bones are in a layer of the rock formations that puts it on the same area of the geologic time scale with the other fossils, shells and trilobites and all that. This means that they are from roughly the same time period, unless there was some massive geologic event that pushed up early fossils after the Ahamkara were wiped out. They're likely sea creatures then, whales or some type of underwater leviathan, like you mentioned, and the area we traverse on Io is just a dried up ocean floor. The environment seems to support that, imagine it as the bottom of an ocean and it would fit perfectly. Thanks, college geology! You finally paid off!
#spacetimemagic?
I would like to take this opportunity to point out the sea creature on titan
Possibly a cousin
Jonathan Parker only issue with your theory is that before he traveler’s arrival within our system, the solar system was the same as the one we currently live in. Unfortunately that means that no, these bones are not as old as you say and could not predate the traveler’s arrival. You are correct in your analysis of the bones be covered and the shifting of the ground could be attributed to the Vex and their terraforming of the moon.
Definitely makes sense, looking at the shapes of the rocks and how they're riddled with sea-like fossils
I'm not saying that they predate the Traveller's arrival, just that they're likely large sea creatures, not Ahamkara. The Traveller did terraform these worlds to some extent, at least to the point where they're semi-habitable (Guardians still wear vacuum sealed suits, after all), and that might come with the notion that Earth-like life could have been present on other worlds during the Golden Age. The large trilobite fossils and huge shells seem to indicate that life definitely took a slightly different turn, but it existed nonetheless. Giant whales? Maybe, who knows? You're right, they're definitely from the Golden Age, not from before. The possibility of Vex interference in the planet's geology seems somewhat likely, considering what Mercury looks like in Destiny, but I still think that the bones are from the same time period as the others.
Just reading Bones of Io made me remember Bones of Eao, and now I'm sad.
We shall never forget fellow Hunter...
Rip hunter jumps
If you’re nothing without bones of eao, then you don’t deserve them.
I just miss them, where's the harm in that? Quad jump was the greatest thing ever, doesn't mean I rely on it.
Pssst... _it's a Spider-Man Homecoming reference._
Hey, you forgot to put up the Long Tomorrow piece on screen when you referenced it.
The bones of io sounds like an exotic lol
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Every time I get bored of destiny, I watch your lore videos and then I just wanna play it. Keep it up!
Well, in ghost fragment: Warlock 1, the warlock does state that broken Ahamkara vertebrae was a fossil. So it’s possible that these are indeed from Ahamkara.
"...living in a world that's trying to kill them every second."
So, Australia then.
Am i the only one that thinks that the bones look like giant serpent on titan? It also explains why there were bones of aquatic bones like the ammonite shells and the troglodytes
Bro, your voice totally helps me with anxiety lmao. You should create a podcast about Destiny as well!
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Bungie is basically stating in these comments that they basically make things in Destiny that bring up questions that they never intend to answer in the lore. If you listen closely, the guy basically states that in his first answer.
troglodytte is a prehistoric cave man, the word you are looking for is trilobite. but yea between the ammonite/crinoid looking fossils i was gonna say that it looks like it was all under water. and the bones actually share alot of similatiries with whale bones. but also it seems like the lack like major joints like pelvis's and such, so i was thinking maybe like the worm/leviathan thingy we see on titan.
Fantastic vid. Love that there's so much depth to the Destiny universe. Could you do some kind of back story on a few of the main characters? Thinking specifically of Devrim Kay, but there are a few like him that I'm curious about. Who are they? Where did they come from? What are there stories? Do we know anything about these people?
Just finished Myelin's video and was about to go to bed.. bed will have to wait another 14 minutes ;)
C Troost same.
C Troost I'm going to watch myelins video right now!
The Nokris one? yeah I watched it too, Byf and him are my favorite Destiny lore youtubers
That last point makes the most sense, them being sea creatures because looking at the landscape, the layered look of the elevated terrain, makes everything look like it had been underwater at some point. Hadn’t noticed it until you mentioned that
i think you meant trilobite not troglodyte, lol easy mistake though.
You beat me to it.
He might have also gotten it mixed up with troglobites, which is a generic term for an animal that is suited for permanently living in caves
Isn't a troglobite a DND creature?
If a few Google searches are to be believed, troglodytes are the DnD creatures, as opposed to the cave dwelling troglobite, and the trilobites in the video that were mistakenly called troglodytes and.....urgh, I'm going to stop before all these words lose any meaning and start sounding strange
and then he said it like 5 more times lol
Right before bed I watch these and I love it, thank you byff!
As much as I love the game.... does Bungie even know what the bones belong to or do they just put the bones and fossils in cause they look cool.
Knowing a little bit about world building, it’s 100% both. They would’ve already determined some way that they can plug them into the lore before putting them in, even if the original purpose of putting them in was just the rule of cool.
It’s just like most flavor text is written after the items are developed. The lore informs the flavor text, and the flavor text further fleshes out the lore.
Yeah, i love the game but i hate them when they to that too much, just too much and It goes from " fun " to plain stupid
Hey in destiny 1 I'm pretty sure we do have an example of the bones of a fully grown ahamkara. There's that one mission on the moon where you delve really deep into the hive structure, fight a boss there I think and then you have to escape really fast, the final room is surrounded by the bones of a massive ahamkara and I'm pretty sure the game tells you that it's an ahamkara.
I thought the thumbnail said "bones of EAO" for a second and i got exited 😮
GodFatherFPS "exited" ...lol
I love how Byf, although not knowing the definitive answer, still gave it his best. Love your stuff, Byf.
Shaxx's skulk that hangs in the crucible section has blots of yellow like the bones on Io so just wondering if that means anything keep up the good work
When you see a notification for BYF you drop everything and watch the lore masters new lecture about life within Destiny!
What if they bring "the hunt" back as a seasonal even similar to festival of the lost or srl? Not sure how that would work or what season but that would be amazing if it had it's own mini quest line, brings in 1 new strike (where you battle an ahamkara) that would stay permanently and maybe 1 exotic weapon?
Trai Loma or instead it's treated as a patrol area raid type thing where you can activate it using a beacon which would place a public event style marker on the map. All of this would lead up to a WOW style boss fight
Or just an ahamkara raid
Trai Loma sounds good but we all know bungie would never do that
What about adding them as a public event like they did in Destiny 1 with things like the Blades of Crota, the House of Wolves raiding parties, the Taken forces corrupting an area etc etc. There could be swarms of baby Ahamkara that flock into an area and killing enough of them or a specific one could turn it Heroic where a dragon mother would come to protect her brood, obviously nothing as big as those skeletons though lol
I think the arahmkara deserve their own expansion because of how they influenced a lot of the games lore at least so far as we know
One thing to point out is that the trilobite fossils implying that the surface of Io was once covered by an ocean doesn't rule out the Ahamkara. According to the Book of sorrows video you did (quality content btw) Arash and her sisters originally found the Ahamkara or Worm Gods at the bottom of an ocean on fundament. During which they passed and spoke with a laviathin. Just something interesting to ponder.
i think you might've overthought the fossil-bones thing a bit when the dev referred to them as bones.
in casual conversation people use the word "bones" a lot more than "fossil" because the two seem synonymous.
Daryll W I agree not everyone cares too much about the use of the word fossil in many contexts...in fact most of the time in museums when they are discussing about the fossils they refer to them as bones so...I wouldn't look too deep into that conversation about IO especially since they EVEN said they didn't want to spoil the surprise.
I would love to hear about the concept of “Dark Guardians” if there are enough lore tabs and cards that suggest dark powers. The Nezarec Sin video was intriguing.
They're called trilobites. Troglodite is a Ray Harryhausen movie monster.
Troglodyte...
When i got the notification for this video i read bones of io and immediately thought of the bones of eao exotic from destiny one. The description for that exotic is "Defy extinction". Am i the only one seeing a connection?????
There should be an exotic quest to make a chest plate or something subclass specific that makes you explore Io looking for the strongest bones to make your armor of...
Ooo an erotic chest piece does sound nice indeed ;)
It would be cool if they made a strike were you kill a ahamkara and you bring the bones to someone and you choose what to make like a gun or whatever armor peice you want
that sounds like fun
I absolutely love listening to the lore of this game, thank you so much for doing what you do
Given how the "Bones" have a similar look as the rocks and the other fossils, I think that the bones belonged to whales on Io. But the fact that you mentioned that the Ahemkara have always shown up where the Traveler has (I think) begs the question: Is it possible that the Ahemkara were the escorts of the Traveler as it went through dark space? Could they be the very first iteration of Ghosts? Or are they more akin to Guardians without light, but still just as if not more powerful than one?
What if they were a very early (perhaps even the first) species chosen by the traveller to wield it's power and escorted it to protect it from the darkness, or perhaps a darker scenario where in the traveller feeds off of our deeds much the same as how the worms feed off of the hive killings and the Ahamkara follow it and feed off of its scraps like pilot fish do with larger sea creatures.
Scourgeslayer94 Maybe not as a guild but more of a protector. Remember, the traveler caused the Collapse to protect its-self, using the solar system as a sacrifice to hide from the Darkness. The dragons probably wielded its light and protected it from the Darkness. More so, at the end of the campaign, you see the Darkness so far out of our galaxy. Maybe some of the Ahemkara drove away the light to this place so that the traveler would be safe, again protecting it from harms way.
Hey Byf, just wanted to say your videos are great, (especially books of sorrow but I'm biased), anyway I think the lore of destiny is amazing, especially the references to ontology, teleology, etc.
I'm glad in this horrible drought of content and fixes, we at least have you to entertain us. Thank you Byf.
The Chiefs the new game has only been out a few weeks, content will come give em time
jimmy burns while I agree with you this is the same thing we've been saying for 3 years more will come it's starting to get annoying now
What drought though. The game came out only a month ago and has had constant updates with fixes and new content almost every week....
Bungie is Bungie. And that will stay true until the end days.
117darksonic ok, but aren't we supposed to get 2 DLCs in the next 12 months, we've already seen a monthly faction rally to go with Iron Banner (although I'm definitely hoping both those activities get more love) I also absolutely understand why they wouldn't have added much to the final 2 years of destiny when the smart thing would be to keep most of your engineers working on D2
"Which ill put up on the screen now" - gameplay continues.
Some of these giant skeletons look like the Leviathan on Titan with the large protrusions from the back of the spine. Might be worth looking into.
Its not leviathan tho
This lore videos make my day. Thanks Byf!!!
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6:21 a common visitor in Bungie forums.
I’ve been asking and waiting for this video forever, satisfying? Yes. Left me with more questions? Definitely. Thank you for helping to keep lore mystery alive, we hunger for it.
The bones are a metaphor for the lore in this fucking game.
This is an excellent video bro. Awesome job digging for answers.
What is The Magician it was teased before but I haven't seen anything about it in game got any info?
Great video yet again. Keep the Lore videos coming. Good work.
Could you do a lore video on Ikora if she will become the next Speaker
Smoking Tank yes at least those theories would have some solid ground to step on unlike this...
Heyyy Byf I love ur videos dude they rlly help clearing up the lore especially the ahamkara and all the hive stuff so just wanted to say thanks for helping the community w these topics and other info vids soooo pretty much just saying thanks for the great content and smooth accent 😂😂🖖
Space Whales CONFIRMED!
One thing you need to consider regarding fossils is the conditions required to form a fossil in the first place. If those skeletons are indeed fossils, all of Io would need to have been submerged in water at some time, and the remains needed to be quickly covered with sediment. For that amount of fossilized remains, over that great of area, a great extinction event may have occured, and they very well may have all been ocean creatures.
Trilobites. Not troglodytes. Ammonites and Trilobites were marine, and the vertebrae look a lot like those of whales.
I like how Byf is literally just one of those exiled warlocks in terms of knowledge at this point.
I wish destiny patrol is more like horizon zero dawn where you can see wildlife roaming around the place, it would be so cool having some kind of giant skull crawler (from Kong:skull island) walking around the place and chasing you down on a sparrow if it sees you. Or dragons flying in the air. Kinda making you really feel like your on a different planet.
right except one game has heart and the other is a soulless cash maker. they wont do stuff like that because they dont have to, we will buy the game and all dlc anyway
I know right. I'm suck of shooting aliens I want something big to shoot
A few things I noticed about the bones/fossils: 1) no heads for the big ones, some of the other sea-creatury-things have heads, but they are also pretty much complete. There's no big skulls lying around.
2) no limbs, we see ribs and spines, but no claws or flippers or wings or legs or anything. Some of the big spinal columns have big protrusions on them, which might indicate dorsal fins. So maybe snakelike beings (like wyrms or dragons)?
3) there's boatloads of bones pretty close together. If you're a very big creature, you're not likely to be snuggling with your buddies all the damn time, you keep your space for wiggling about without bumping into each other all the time. So either this is one single creature (as said somewhere else in the comments) or it's a graveyard where they went to die or were stacked after being killed with their heads taken as trophies (like the thing at shaxx's)
4) the smaller fossils (trilobites and such) are generally close to the big bits, so maybe the tinies were eaten by the bigger ones? Or maybe thrown into a big pile by whatever killed every lifeform on this moon.
Maybe it's something like the seamonster on titan?
instead of besting fallens, cabals, hive and taken, i rather fight the giant creatures like u monster hunter style
XDDD
Destiny could benefit from some new boss types.
Giant monster as public event would be wicked
Speaking of which Monster Hunter World is on the horizon Woooooohoooo
With Destiny's AI it would be shit.
Hmm Doh I'd like to fight the dragons skyrim style. Just have them fly out of nowhere at random and just totally destroy us.
Imagine a quest arriving in the traveler finding Ahamkara bones and spirits (much like the subclass missions) that would be so cool and very interesting, being able to explore and learn more of our origin and the travelers along with the Ahamkara's arrival
So... when is the traveler going to reveal himself to be the Darkness?
Brandon Dew He did at the end of the campaign. It woke up and thus the darkness did too.
Assuming the pyramid is in fact another tool of the darkness, I mean has anyone else thought that maybe Osiris (whose MIA but has the name of an ancient Egyptian god) could have built himself a pyramid?
Brandon Dew I believe the light show at the end of the storyline was a challenge to the darkness and a rallying call to all those who support the light.
jimmy burns fair point but why would Osiris and his followers be outside of the Galaxy..that part doesn't make any sense. Plus they only reacted after the light touched them.. Osiris is a guardian therefore he already has the light and wouldn't wake up...the light wave was probably a warning call to the darkness a challenge if you will... while being a rally call to those who support the light
Robert Kellerman ok, so what if the Pyramid is fueled by light and the traveler finally filled the batteries, maybe Osiris cobbled it together with Vex tech to protect the traveler, again just an idea
I'd really like to see an update on Cayde's lore, with these journal entries from his stashes going into more detail about his human life.
Your uploadtimes are inhuman.
Here it is 1:45 in the morning.
Julian Kern that's about the time I go to to sleep on school nights.
Julian Kern it was around 4:50 when he uploaded here In Cali
Julian Kern It was 8:30pm east coast time when he uploaded.
Byf, I was about to sleep but you came up with more lore so I’ll watch this first :)
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Simon_In_Real_Life 360p squad?
Simon_In_Real_Life hell yh lol
Can't wait for the savathun video Byf. Hyped
Shit I was 666th view
Otaku Fire are you still alive?
Your voice is so good for these videos keep up the good work!👍
I guess they shouldn't have put crucible in the game because it's not fun
Syngopar lol i was thinking that
I don't know how to even respond to that comment...
crucible is fun too
You have officially posted the most stupidest comment I've ever seen
Are you mad?!
I think something that further points toward the bones not being from ahamkara is that even tho dead physically, dragon bones will still whisper to us. So if we were in a mass graveyard of them I feel we or Asher or someone would mention or notice at least some consistent dragon whisperings. But no one does.
I believe the theory of sea creature fossils because in the vision your guardian gets in the game, that Byf played around the end of the video you can see the traveler hover above what looks like a city but it was not on earth. You can see that same city or structure on Io when we first get spawned in while playing the campaign. In the vision the hawk flies in water right in front of that structure meaning that while terra forming Io it allowed the planet to develop oceans so this could be credit to that theory. Then after a few scenes the hawk apparition surfaces on earth showing the destroyed traveler shard, symbolizing the journey of the traveler from where it was to where it is now.
I'm thinking they might indeed be amakara bones that are a couple centuries old. If by the opening scene for Destiny is go off the traveler became an interest when it visited mars. So Io could've transformed way before that event to possible start the golden age in the Destiny universe. Io could've been filled with oceans and the amakara lived beside what was once there on Io. Then came the calapse where io could've been devastated with a mass extinction event for those creatures including some amakara, but some could've escaped and then continued living there until guardians hunted them to close to extinction. Would be cool if the osiris had you travel to the pyramidian which causes you to go through a gate that closes once you enter to io before the calapse and maybe visit old places in different time eras becasue that seems a very vex like expansion.
Byf, going back any watching the video about the Darkness and the strange ships in the final cutscene of D2, they have shown these "ships" before in Destiny concept art. If I remember correctly there was one of a fleet of them and also a group of them firing some sort of beam onto a planet. I hope this helps with any lore. Have a great day!
The thing that got my attention is that these bones look eerily similar to the bones in the Chamber of Night on the Moon in Destiny 1...
Love the content dude, keep it up!
"Imagine that, creatures living in a world that's trying to kill them every second".
Boi that's just called Australia
Thanks for all the lore Byf
"Asher Mir" is an anagram of Reshiram which is a (fire) dragon from Pokemon. (just sayin...)
I wonder if there are any bones / fossils for Pikachu? :)
Great lore videos though Byf - always enjoy your content! Keep up the great work
it would be really interesting if maybe in curse of Osiris since it seems like we will be time traveling that there is an alternate location for Io or maybe a temporal instability within the existing destination where an ahamkara or other dragon like creature would spawn in periodically as a sort of world boss that can drop recourses that you can turn in to Asher or Ikora or somebody for unique gear or maybe just drop unique gear outright. It's a far fetched Idea but I think that this could be a really interesting and entertaining addition to the endgame and a source for unique rewards.
Hey Byf, would love to hear more about the warminds. Very mysterious and very cool parts of the lore. And we have a DLC on the way.
Something that I was thinking of, is that if those were Ahamkara bones, and if the Ahamkara are the hive work gods, imagine the power of the darkness that was there, and when the traveler showed up to terraform it, the amount of Light that was combating the Darkenss there, then imagine the battle that took place
Just clicked on the video and already gave it a like! Already knew it would be a great video! Keep up the great work!
Ikora Ray: "Brace yourself. I believe our young Gensyn scribe has been confounded." Byf: "I've been confounded."
I believe they are ahamkara bones. They're known to cause hallucinations and make you hear things that shouldn't be heard and if you go to the tree near the cave urzok spawns (near the lost sector in lost oasis), you can hear noises coming from within. Scratching. Maybe the bones have been there for so long that they affect the nature of Io itself
I legit thought this said "Destiny 2: Bones of Eao".
My dreams are still crushed
Makes sense for io to have been underwater, think about the landscape and how many smoothed out canyons there are, all kind of things that could either have been carved out buy bodies of water, but also could be things like underwater trenches
Maybe they’re a warning made by the traveler. Take this with a grain of salt:
The leviathan was hunted and killed by the hive, a force of darkness. Also note that the only bones that we find are the ribs and spine, no limbs or a head. This possibly implies that either:
A. Multiple serpentine creatures living together,
Or...
B. The body is just really, really big. To... Leviathan sizes, if you will.
There’s a bit more symbolism. The Traveler was the 52nd moon of Fundament, so the chances of It observing the events of the Books of Sorrow are incredibly likely. The Leviathan inhabited the oceans of the gas giant, thus it shows the remains of creatures that were in our own oceans that most people would pretty easily recognize (However the only way of it knowing that these creatures existed on Earth before its arrival while still on Io may mean it visited Earth, and if that’s true, then the darkness possibly caused the Ordovician extinction, but that’s a topic for another day!). Also note that the species visited by the traveler which had contact with the leviathan was the Ammonite (Ammonites liter the surface amongst the bones). They were eliminated simultaneously by the hive, which are essentially servants of the darkness. This could have been an early warning from the traveler by telling us (in this cryptic form of communication) the demise of the Leviathan along with the Ammonite. In this instance, we were the next on the chopping block, telling us to leave or prepare while we could. It’s possible that the Traveler tried this method with other civilizations (I.e. the Fallen), which failed again and again. Assuming it has sympathy, it tried to save all species it encountered. With omens of the darkness to come.
(btw This probably sounds dumb.)
Interesting question. If I’m I don’t know destiny 3 expansion pack 3 we meet a living dragon. Would that be a jumping the shark moment in the franchise? Destiny has been very careful to keep things very sci-fi with a magic undertone but the races we fight are super sci fi. To see a dragon that doesn’t look like some kind of crazy alien beast might clash with the style the game has made.
My main thing about the arhamkara is that all the confirmed bones, skulls, whatever are very small and comparable to large dogs or maybe a lion where shaxx's skull is. The bones on Io are massive
Just a couple points to think about.
1. These are the same bones as the ones on the moon in D1. Could be lore significant or just recycling of old assets.
2. The Traveler terraformed Io and could have potentially lifted the land up from an ocean, thus exposing the bones/fossils to the surface.
3. Playing off of the same thought, the life forms on Io could have also been affected by the Traveler, either being created initially or growing exponentially and then dying upon reaching the surface.
4. The Vex are on Io and are an ocean based life form. The fossils/bones could be connected as they are also ocean based.
I just watched your video about Sabathoon before this and before that I watched a video about leaks coming out. FOR ANYONE READING SPOILERS AHEAD! In the upcoming content (don't know when this is going to happen but it probably will) we are going to Ganymede. Now mentioning this, you said in this video that in one of the descriptions that someone saw a dragon on Jupiter. This makes me think that this might have been a place where some may have died, but others escaped, mostly to places out of our reach. Also, the developers said that the bones would be coming back for a story line deeper into the game. I am thinking this is how it will all come together: You go to Ganymede and start searching around. Suddenly, you find out vex have been conducting experiments on something huge, something that grants power to all who ask of it. You will stop the vex only to find out it is one of the dragons you thought went extinct during the hunt all those centuries ago. (At least this is how I hope Bungie does this)
I would like you to elaborate on an adventure on Nessus. (I’m sorry I don’t have the name ofThe adventure on hand) It was the Vex sending messages directly to our ghost and the final message was the Vex asking our ghost to “Come home”. This gave me chills! Is our ghost Vex tech? Were those lights in the Vault of Glass Ghosts to come? Are we more closely related to the Vex than we think?
The shells are definitely fossils, bear in mind that fossils are mineral replacements of existing bones or shells, other calcareous deposits. The spines seen are very similar to ocean mammals, with their large spiny protrusions from the vertebra, and are quite different compared to lizard spines. Definitely seems to be an ocean environment with the existence of ammonites and trilobites.
I really hate when developers of games that have an interesting and somewhat deep world and story, use the excuse of "space magic".
I know that you’ve already covered most of it, but I’d like to hear about the Exodus program, with the addition of the history of Exodus Black.
I was reading the lore tab on the titan helmet from the raid. and it talks about a race called the clipse, and how they lived a very threatened and hard life. But they were no match for the leviathan. Who are the clipse? And how many planets did Callus visit in his exile? Did he just terrorize planets?
It's completely possible that the bones were "disturbed" from their original position due to the vex. You can see jagged vex prisms sticking out of the ground and we saw on nessus that the vex also modify the area below the surface.
Long time viewer but first time to comment :D. Personally I do want more wildlife to be apart of Destiny. It's not as intriguing to me as the Ahamkara or some supernatural beast that we have yet known as the player. But I think adding more wildlife to the game would help with creating "enemy" types/classes that fans want more of. Just makes me think about games where the aggressive wildlife are a threat besides the other regular enemy classes such as the Cabal, the Fallen, etc. It's a lot to ask, maybe, but just think about fighting the taken or whatever and a damn "space bear" can attack either you or the enemy class just because they are wild "animals". I think that would be cool and add more life in the explorable spaces. And idk maybe we can learn to tame some like the white tiger in the pre Destiny 1 concept art. But thanks for your content. You've inspired me to really immerse myself into the story of Destiny and helped me fall more in love with this game. Would love to know if you read this because I wanna feel special lol. Keep up the fantastic work, Byf. See you Starside.
Real good point about the whales/leviathans. The surrounding cliffs look like they were carved by different levels of a large mass of water
Mayhaps the ahemkara have a larva like stage and tramsform like catipillars to butterflies, explaining the other types of bones. Also we dont even know if the ahemkara were land sky or sea creatures, if they are sea creatures that would also explain the other bones
theres a chance its ahamkara. on one of cayde's treasure maps, they talk of albios's funeral. and I read on some blue armor piece that albios was one of the last to fight the ahamkara. could be related.
Consider the books of sorrow. Ahamkara were said to be found in the deep sea. With that in mind, I don’t see how the ammonites pose an issue
I think the bones every where on io is bones from the worms of the darkness. I also think it could be related to the sea monster on titan. It could be the same because like he mentioned, that you see other ocean creatures on io meaning that is was sea life at some point in time. So maybe they are the same thing.
Due to the other ocean based fossils scattered around the surface, it could be argued that they are the remains of laviathans similar in species to The one referenced in the books of sorrow.