There’s not really much lore or explanation on this. You’re pretty much revived into a class (I assume one that fits your personality or maybe your personality is bent to fit this role) and that’s it.
Whatever fits your personality...I believe Ikora tried to be a Hunter (if I'm remembering correctly) but failed and didn't feel right. She become a Warlock, because warlock's a savages. Hunters are cowards. Titans are oblivious meat heads. EDIT: Admittedly I'm biased :P but with good cause imo lmao I love destiny
Saint-14 is the truest guardian ever known, a defender willing to give everything he has for the people of the last city. When I think guardian, I think Saint-14. A true legend
Drifter Tube He's a true Titan, titans are basically knights, protecting the people comes before everything. Nobody does that better than Saint-14 and Zavala.
i love the idea of meeting saint-14 by traveling to the past, but knowing bungie they probably forgot about his connection to osiris also concerning the second dlc, everyone is calling it the rasputen dlc but until bungie says its about him it should be called the warmind dlc as the symbol is for the warminds (which rasputen is one) and it could be about any warmind(s) throughout the system
As far as we know, yes but there could be one or more that went silent out of the reach of him or abandoned humanity like him The 2nd dlc will probably be about rasputen but I don't want people to call it the rasputen dlc until bungie confirms that its about him
I think that you will find Saint-14 on mercury, frozen in time by the vex. I have no clue how this would work out lore-wise, but I think it would be a completely badass reveal. Imagine finding Saint-14 trapped by the vex and having to rescue him, and him having no recollection of the past whatever amount of years. Or alternatively, what if it is not Osiris who needs rescuing, but Saint-14, and Osiris simply needs your help in doing that.
You know there is a fan theory going around that the Speaker was a manifestation of the Traveler and that's why it only awoke after he died. Any thoughts on that Byf?
But is there ever a mention of any ceremony or changing of the Speaker or any mention of the identies of the previous Speakers? If so, what's to stop the Speaker from being possessed by the will of Traveler or the will of the Light? The Speaker has always been a faceless entity in Destiny because maybe his identity is irrelevant. Maybe the Traveler created the Speaker entity to guide humanity through various hosts while it slept and hid from the Darkness just as it created the Ghosts to make Guardians. Then once Gual attacked the city, the Traveler realized it couldn't hide anymore and instead of letting a new Speaker replace the old one it drew that part of itself back and awoke fully. Maybe the reason the Traveler is still so badly damaged is because it decided not to reclaim the Ghosts. I agree its probably nonsense but its still fun to speculate on this kind of stuff.
Personally I think it's really unlikely he's dead, mainly just because they didn't say he is. It would be much more dramatic (therefore better) to suddenly return Saint-14 rather than suddenly reveal he died sometime. Also they would speak to his strength by highlighting he lived after being so weak after the Kel fight
One thing you didn't mention about The Firebreak Order was that they must've be comfortable "Using Their Heads" as a weapon. The Firebreak Helmet from Destiny 1 was usually adorned with a horn; and the description told of how the trick wasn't about landing the hit; but rather removing yourself from your enemy when you get stuck. So it makes more sense that Saint-14 would headbutt Solkis once this detail is brought up. Great video, it's awesome that you're here to share the lore with people.
I hope he returns in the Curse of Osiris, he honestly is my favorite Destiny character even though we never encounter him. I'm in the Order of the Lost Saint. But hopefully we will get to meet him or learn more about him.
In the crucible trailer Bungie shows a shotgun with saint 14 colors and a 14 in Roman numerals on the side. This is an exotic most likely. Bungie said a new world quest is coming in the expansion. (Something like the sturm and rat King). The shotgun is gonna be the same thing as that, but in the blue quest missions we will do on mercury. In the missions we will probably figure out what happened to him.
I found this in the Exo Grimoire card: "Whoever built the Exos fashioned them in humanity's image, gifting them with diversity of mind and body." Maybe that "human image" is both internal and external?
Hello byf. Just wanted to say i appreciate your videos. Ive been on destiny since day 1...year 1 and you help true fans alot with lore. Please keep up the awesome work.
Hello, My name is Byf, I want to personally thank you for this video. A couple of day ago, i requested a Saint-14 lore video even though you already made one before. I wasn't aware of this and have watched a great deal of lore video's from you then. Still it is awesome that you rekindle the story of Saint-14 before the DLC drops. Keep it up , you are a legend. - your fellow guardian.
I kinda want it to be like a world quest where we find his helmet (again) and at some point we come across him or he us and he asks for it back that’d be funny, and cool imo
Before I watch the video, thank you for remembering saint 14 and his connection to Osiris unlike many many people, this guy my favorite character in destiny
I'm glad you made this video because I've been wondering the same thing myself and really hoping he doesn't just get a lackluster exotic lore tab. I'm really hoping with Osiris coming back we get more info on Sunbreakers and Toland as well as 14 since they've all had pretty big impacts on Osiris.
Each expansion will focus on a famous guardian and a Vanguard member!! Curse of Osiris - Osiris & Ikorra (Warlocks) Gods of Mars (Rasputin) - Ana Bray & Cayde-6 (Hunters) Fallen Expansion - Saint-14 & Zavala (Titans)
Also, I feel like Zavala would be more about Rasputin since he says in a strike mission from D1 "If we're ever going to have a second golden (age), it'll be with Rasputin on our side," and after the Red War of Destiny 2 we begin a second Golden Age
Braden Sheffield I mean in the lore he went to mercury to find Osiris. So bungie will either have to explain why he's in the dlc or just force him in the dlc.
I played against you in trials last Friday, and even though my team lost 5-6, it was a great honor to even have the chance to do battle with one of the greatest guardians our order of scholarly warlocks has ever seen. I salute you Byf.
GD Terranibus we already seen that when we fought the Iron lords in rise of iron. It's going to be poor creativity too redo that but then again it's bungie.
he was mentioned. he had a whole mission where you discovered his coffin, and got a whole series of good weapons that then got added to vances lootpool after you obtained them
I love the devotion you've for every video. S-14 has been my favorite Destiny character since I got the Helm in early Y1. It will be great if Bungie adds him to the new DLC. Thanks for the awesome video.
Something that would be cool is we see Osiris and Saint 14 fighting together and we have to rescue both of them. Saint 14 could have found Osiris and confronted him and Osiris might have revealed the vex plan and the future of the city and the death of the speaker and saint 14 found out about our guardian and he might have wanted to protect Osiris because of a future invasion and to protect the legacy of his father/mentor the speaker. Near the end of the expansion saint 14 becomes the new speaker in a cutscene and takes over the speakers quarters in the tower.
Let start by saying I never got into the lore of D1. I subbed to your channel and watched one, then another and though I don't watch them all your vids add a lot of background and fill in gaps. It's like watching a movie and then reading the book. Phenomenal job Byf. Thank you Ok as unlikely as it is, as close as 14 and Osiris were/are? maybe Osiris found 14 and together they're fighting from within. With Osiris' knowledge and being arguably the most powerful Warlock and 14's take it to enemy, they would be hell on wheels.
Hey Byf, remember you have a scannable that is a stasis pod with Saint 14 in it. It's in the Cosmodrome at the end of the Cayde's Stash mission. Pod # 10201. A Guardian with exceptional Light sealed himself inside. He's been in there for centuries. Before I found you, I tried to resurrect him, but he preferred to sleep. He said the last war was enough for a thousand lifetimes.
I think Saint 14 will be the world vendor of Mercury if not then a vendor in the tower and have story involvement as well. I hope to hell he isn't dead cause he's easily the most bad ass titan in destiny history just as osiris is the most bad ass warlock
Joseph Cole see thats what i thought too, but then realized brother vance will be the mercury world vendor And hey, osiris isnt the most badass warlock its toland alright?
But here’s my thing right, bungie will not display these characters to the ability they’ve been displayed as having throughout the lore. The Osiris you know (I seriously doubt) will be the one we meet in game. The same would probably be true for Saint-14. I prefer my legends stay legends, so I can idolize them, and not be disappointed when they show up just as weak as the level 2 guardian who just got his melee attack.
Brother Vance isn't the world vendor, he's a vendor in The Lighthouse. The world vendor will either be Osiris, or Shiro-4 (From the datamined audio files)
That scannable you have shown in this video contains some interesting information. I hope you will make a video about it because I am really troubled with what I heard.
I'm going to keep posting the same lore questions until Bfy in some degree gives some kind of answer for them (doesn't have to be a full video, even a single voice line or comment post will do). 1) How did our Guardian Survive the Fall at the end of the Homecoming mission? Our light was gone, our ghost had fallen who knows where, and the impact left a noticeable crater, and yet our character survived without breaking every bone in their body. 2) Have Guardians from a lore perspective ever married and had kids?
Kinda wish there was a side quest where if you found some collectible it'd reveal a cinematic detailing some of if not all the major events or characters we only hear about. Like what if we could see Dredgen Yor actually fighting in the crucible, or watch the actual battle of six fronts, or even see Cayde prior to his becoming an exo. It'd give people something else to search for in light of the endgame drought. Plus we'd get to learn a little lore in the process.
A little far off. Byf will probably do a video or two on this when Year 2 drops, as it is believed to revolve around the Fallen, the Queen’s brother, and the House of Kings.
Jack Werner Zavala said this to me yesterday: "you are a guardian first and an Awoken second, remember that if the queen ever reaches out to you." A war against the Queen! I side with Her!
I just had a great idea, what if throughout D2 dlcs we find and bring back powerful Guardians, Osiris, Saint-14, and Ana Bray (or whoever is in the cover art for DLC 2) which sets us up for the huge epic defense of the Last City against the big triangle Darkness ships? That’d be cool
Micheal Tatu if that shit happens then I'm just going to be mad that's about it like who cares if the most logical thing is to kill him off like this game is based around fucking space magic.
One of the best ways to introduce Saint-14 into the story would be that after we meet Osiris and we get to a point where we get in way to deep and are about to die, a vex portal opens, and a flaming hammer flies through and slams into the ground. Everyone stops shooting and us including the vex all turn to the portal, and an explosion erupts from the portal, as Saint-14 falls out onto a knee, supporting his body with a lowered fist, knuckles to the ground. He looks up towards the horde of Vex, a fire burning in his eyes, and just unloads on them, destroying the hordes we were so easily over taken by. Introducing him as a complete badass and unstoppable power-house would be a fantastic introduction to a lore titan, since we don't really have a badass titan in the actual campaign other then Zavala and he's not really badass. The Hunters have Cayde, the warlocks have Osiris, give us Saint-14, at least for a moment!
@My name is Byf big lore fan here and your my main source to learn about destiny lore but just a random thought but its is entirely possible to see saint 14 in the past during the battle twilight gap or even six front that we might see your own guardian past and possibly how they died
Thanks for the vid Byf! I don't think we'll see much of Saint-14, probably some scanables that hint at what happened but that's all. It would be epic to find Saint-14 while searching for Osiris and 14 would take over for Ikora or at least work alongside her to find Osiris.
That's insightful, well lets hope we get to see Saint-14. As you mentioned, that we might see flashbacks of Saint-14, The Speaker and, Osiris in the DLC. What if there was a mission that required us to travel back in time to Assist Saint-14 while on Mercury. As you know The Vex does have away to Manipulate/travel through time. or assist the three of them at the battle of 6 fronts. Just a thought.
I'm sitting here as a Titan-main listening to you talk about Titan Orders, whole time thinking "alright which one's the offensive one that believes in fighting fire with fir..." 2:59 to 4:32 Byf: "...Let's talk about the Firebreak Order" Me: "Yep, that's definitely the one"
Man I wish we could see all this awesomeness in game cutscenes as always excellent job Byf you are a very big credit to the Destiny world I've been playing since vanilla Destiny and I tell you know lie you are one of the lore Masters that kept my interest piqued as always thank you my friend keep up the good work Guardian
Great video Byf. New to the channel but I am really enjoying the content. A lot of stuff to catch up on. One question though, it looks like the footage is captured on PC but what Mouse Sensitivity are you using? a few time during the game play you flicked quite quickly which suggest that it may a tad high. You mentioned that you were not a fan of the mouse and keyboard setup in a previous video but maybe it is because your mouse sens might be set too high.
Side note: you forgot something. The Stoneborn order likely isnt entirely dead because Zavala is presumably part of this order because at the end of the campaign, he mentions how he built the walls around the City.
I would kill to have Saint 14 added to the game. Even if he is just like a World vendor or something he is literally my favorite titan and I can't thank you enough for making this video!
This could be an opportunity for Bungie to introduce three different world quests, one for each class, with the Titan's ending in them tracing Saint-14's steps to the point we find his helmet in front of a Vex gate, but nothing else, neither confirming nor denying his survival and leaving the door open for a future release. I'd have to think about two other quests for Warlock and Hunter exotics, but I'd be happy if that was the case and each class got a quest to complete.
id love to see Saint 14 in the DLC, also to see his helmet come back but maybe with a different perk aimed at the shield instead of the bubble. just any mention of this badass fellow titan would be awesome.
Hey Byf, just a random point that I haven't seen mentioned. On the exotic ship Eriana's Vengeance there is an open Osiris eye and was wondering why that would be placed there. Thanks and keep up the amazing work.
I would be thrilled to see Saint-14 in this expansion or a teaser that may lead to his own DLC. I also think it would be awesome to somehow go back in time and fight along NPC characters at the Battle of the Six Fronts and Twilight Gap.
Gotta say I am physically unable to express how much I want to see saint-14 not only is he a fellow exo and titan but he is just the absolute coolest character in my eyes. Headbutting a kell's skull until it caves in? Godly levels of badass. I also think he could be alive, he would just need to headbutt everything to death.
I would love it when we finally find osiris in the vex timeline that the reason he has survived for so long is because he and saint 14 are fighting side by side. I want to believe that he went to mercury to save his friend. And from failsafe it sounds as though osiris has some control where he is. I think the best option for the next speaker would not be one of the either but both. One who is devout to the traveler and one who does ask questions to balance each other out
Well there is a shotgun in the Wormhaven footage with a Fleur-de-lis (A symbol with many meanings, one of which is a symbol denoting a saint) and the Roman Numeral XIV: 14. It's Saint-14's shotgun. It may be an exotic, perhaps from the Mercury World Quest. He will be at least mentioned in Curse of Osiris.
Here is how I think we will encounter saint-14 it will be a quest about finding him and throughout it you go to multiple small camps that appear to be made by saint-14 and in each on there is a small audio recording that you can listen to where it is saint-14 talking about how he may be getting close to finding osris but at the end of the quest you find a cave full of shattered and broken vex shells and in the back of the cave you find a skeleton with saint-14's helmet riped in half sitting right next to it and when you find it osris says something like "Old friend no how could I have let this horrible fate befall you" in a solemn tone then you pick up the helmet witch is not wearable and it is called something like remnant of saint-14 and you return it to osris and he thanks you for returning a piece of his old friend to him.
You also gotta consider worse case scenario that he failed to "Stop him from waking up hell." and was taken by the vex. That hell is likely the antagonist of the dlc the vex moving with an unknown plan on mercury thats calling past and future frames to the present.
i think what would be cool is if while we are traversing mercury in this next expanison we find saint-14's helmet somewhere on the surface, and we pick it up, and we are told some of his story and what happened to him.
If not has said it yet, I'm gonna theorize that saint-14, Ana bray, and Osiris have formed a fireteam to combat the Vex and Ana Bray will reveal herself as The Stranger with her glorious quote, "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain" or calling ghost "little light".
Wasn’t there a scannable during the Nessus strike where you can scan some pods in the boss room and your ghost says there is a powerful guardian sleeping?
Yo Byf! I just participated in a pubic event...In the TOWER. And someone got a dance party key. Turns out when you use one it plays some dance music and spawns a loot box near whatever faction you use it in.
Vid suggestion. Can you please showcase gameplay corresponding to the particular class of the lore you're talking about. i.e. saint 14 - Titan, Eris Morn - Warlock, etc.
It would be nice if we see saint 14 in the same style as we gained your second and third subclass in Destiny 2, this could also be done by using the infinite forest in some way, as we battle the vex from the past it would be nice if we were to see and help him fighting like the first mission with zavala, if he is actually dead we could see this happen or even help prevent it and allow him to live in present day which would be a nice way to implement the time travel idea involving the vex... just a thought.
Hey BYF, I would love to see Saint 14 as the new speaker, or maybe see him and Osaris form teams of guardians to fight against each other for control of mercury just a thought
Tho a bit of a stretch the fact one of the devs confirmed Curse of Osiris is not just gonna talk about the history of Osiris but the history of Warlocks in general, maybe they'll save Saint-14 for a possibly Titan focus in the 3rd expansion. That or Lysander of the Concordet.
I have a question, how did the red legion "turn off" the skyline defense system? I mean like the cannons you can see in D1 in the tower. Did they have an inside man?
Yes i definitely would like to see some lore about St-14 in the expansion. At the very least, have it something like Interstellar. Where the group lands on the first planet (all water) only to discover that the good doctor died moments before they landed. Due to the way that time works, or is theorized to work near a black hole...could be an interesting story piece to add to the whole expansion. At least discover if the good Saint-14 ever made it to Mercury
Being that Saint is an Exo, I can’t fathom that he would die so easily in the face of battle. And couldn’t it be that he might have a Ghost who could revive him?
He may be remembered in a story told by Osiris if we are to rescue him. Maybe Zavala will hear the voice of him and wonder if it was actually him through the vex network
I think our titan is a stoneborn its the thrid one you mentioned so im assuming its the third order.the beginning/ikora titan gear im pretty sure has III(3 in Roman numerals) in its right leg.it could be that the gear set is the official stoneborn armour granted to those who defeat enemies and held the city walls
I feel like S14 has a strong possibility to be a 'coms only' type of encounter in this expansion. Whether that's through recordings or radio speech I'm not sure, but I feel that if he was going to have an in-game model, he would've been in the trailer somewhere, even just in thw background.
I know exactly what capacity we'll see Saint 14 in, only two Guardians went to Mercury, three counting your arrival, chances are high we'll end up finding Saint first, doing what firebreaks do best, how finding him plays out is the variable, do we find him post sacrifice? Mid sacrifice? So we save him? Does he save us? Or perhaps we don't see him until the raid, and he be found there, fighting the biggest and baddest? Maybe we find him in the raids hard mode butting heads (literally) with the prestige boss, or maybe he's involved in the challenges during said prestige encounters, he does have that 'never say die' and 'find the biggest guy the the room and bash it's skull in' feel.. hopefully they play that up to a dramatic effect
byf (if you haven't) can you make a video on how people become one of the classes i.e. what makes a hunter, titan, or warlock
Mr. Leftyness No
There’s not really much lore or explanation on this. You’re pretty much revived into a class (I assume one that fits your personality or maybe your personality is bent to fit this role) and that’s it.
Its whatever fits yout personality
Whatever fits your personality...I believe Ikora tried to be a Hunter (if I'm remembering correctly) but failed and didn't feel right. She become a Warlock, because warlock's a savages. Hunters are cowards. Titans are oblivious meat heads.
EDIT: Admittedly I'm biased :P but with good cause imo lmao I love destiny
Mr. Leftyness As cool as that sounds there isn't much lore on it unfortunately
If you have seen Thor Ragnarok, the part at the end where Thor’s kicking everyone’s ass with his lightning, that is every strikers dream right there
Colin Kerns haha
I’m a titan but it’s more like stormtrance to me
YES!
Colin Kerns korg master race. Love marvel and dc films,animation and comics. Dedicated nerd right here
Yeah. Pretty much
Ooofffff!
I still get goosebumps when hearing about Saint-14 head butting the Devils Kell.
Saint-14 is the truest guardian ever known, a defender willing to give everything he has for the people of the last city.
When I think guardian, I think Saint-14.
A true legend
Drifter Tube He's a true Titan, titans are basically knights, protecting the people comes before everything. Nobody does that better than Saint-14 and Zavala.
What I think the true guardian is Cadye 6
titan master race
If only he formed or found a fireteam of like-minded people. Then there'd be pretty decent odds he's alive.
Drifter Tube Really want to meet Saint 14 he is so badass, not many people have killed a fallen kell with a headbutt
i love the idea of meeting saint-14 by traveling to the past, but knowing bungie they probably forgot about his connection to osiris
also concerning the second dlc, everyone is calling it the rasputen dlc but until bungie says its about him it should be called the warmind dlc as the symbol is for the warminds (which rasputen is one) and it could be about any warmind(s) throughout the system
Sam Bauer I thought rasputin was the last warmind in existence?
BosonL he is
As far as we know, yes but there could be one or more that went silent out of the reach of him or abandoned humanity like him
The 2nd dlc will probably be about rasputen but I don't want people to call it the rasputen dlc until bungie confirms that its about him
Theres is two warminds, Rasputin and Charlemagne. The other's are dead, well, not working so to speak.
The Toxic Light I can't take you seriously what you can't spell I'll right
So fuck off
Post-Season of Dawn: Well no, but technically yes.
love you so much byf keep going like this!!
I think that you will find Saint-14 on mercury, frozen in time by the vex. I have no clue how this would work out lore-wise, but I think it would be a completely badass reveal. Imagine finding Saint-14 trapped by the vex and having to rescue him, and him having no recollection of the past whatever amount of years. Or alternatively, what if it is not Osiris who needs rescuing, but Saint-14, and Osiris simply needs your help in doing that.
Saint-14 is daddy af
Carson L ikr
Ayeo
You know there is a fan theory going around that the Speaker was a manifestation of the Traveler and that's why it only awoke after he died. Any thoughts on that Byf?
But is there ever a mention of any ceremony or changing of the Speaker or any mention of the identies of the previous Speakers? If so, what's to stop the Speaker from being possessed by the will of Traveler or the will of the Light? The Speaker has always been a faceless entity in Destiny because maybe his identity is irrelevant. Maybe the Traveler created the Speaker entity to guide humanity through various hosts while it slept and hid from the Darkness just as it created the Ghosts to make Guardians. Then once Gual attacked the city, the Traveler realized it couldn't hide anymore and instead of letting a new Speaker replace the old one it drew that part of itself back and awoke fully. Maybe the reason the Traveler is still so badly damaged is because it decided not to reclaim the Ghosts.
I agree its probably nonsense but its still fun to speculate on this kind of stuff.
"i never said the speaker speaks to me."
The Speaker could be an independent entity just like the Ghosts are.
Joseph Garcia “I never said the speaker speaks to me” the traveler. No but you did mess that up
oh well, u know what i meant lol
Personally I think it's really unlikely he's dead, mainly just because they didn't say he is. It would be much more dramatic (therefore better) to suddenly return Saint-14 rather than suddenly reveal he died sometime. Also they would speak to his strength by highlighting he lived after being so weak after the Kel fight
He dead but we break time and bring him back
One thing you didn't mention about The Firebreak Order was that they must've be comfortable "Using Their Heads" as a weapon. The Firebreak Helmet from Destiny 1 was usually adorned with a horn; and the description told of how the trick wasn't about landing the hit; but rather removing yourself from your enemy when you get stuck. So it makes more sense that Saint-14 would headbutt Solkis once this detail is brought up. Great video, it's awesome that you're here to share the lore with people.
I hope we get a adventure about Saint-14 and hopefully some mentions of The Speaker and Saint-14 from Osiris.
xXshadow295Xx speaker ded
I hope he returns in the Curse of Osiris, he honestly is my favorite Destiny character even though we never encounter him. I'm in the Order of the Lost Saint. But hopefully we will get to meet him or learn more about him.
In the crucible trailer Bungie shows a shotgun with saint 14 colors and a 14 in Roman numerals on the side. This is an exotic most likely. Bungie said a new world quest is coming in the expansion. (Something like the sturm and rat King). The shotgun is gonna be the same thing as that, but in the blue quest missions we will do on mercury. In the missions we will probably figure out what happened to him.
Love getting on TH-cam and seeing a new lore video, makes my day
Isn't Saint-14 an exo if he is how do you strangle a robot to death?
I found this in the Exo Grimoire card: "Whoever built the Exos fashioned them in humanity's image, gifting them with diversity of mind and body." Maybe that "human image" is both internal and external?
^^ What Smith said. Couldn't have said it much better tbh
Exo genitals confirmed?
Hmm like an air filter to cool internal components and strangling him overheats them and causes death.... that would be kind of cool really.
Just like how a human's neck is vulnerable and fragile, perhaps that's how an Exo's neck would be.
Dude I really enjoy these videos. I come home fire up a bowl sit back and listen to story time great job man
7:08 how do you choke an exo 🤔
Braden Sheffield nature always finds a way...
Hello byf. Just wanted to say i appreciate your videos. Ive been on destiny since day 1...year 1 and you help true fans alot with lore. Please keep up the awesome work.
why do these so called legendary guardians die but one random guardian has infinite respawns thinking emoji
Hello, My name is Byf,
I want to personally thank you for this video.
A couple of day ago, i requested a Saint-14 lore video even though you already made one before.
I wasn't aware of this and have watched a great deal of lore video's from you then.
Still it is awesome that you rekindle the story of Saint-14 before the DLC drops.
Keep it up , you are a legend.
- your fellow guardian.
When is Master Chief returning to Destiny 2 story arc?!?!?!
Hes still slumbering in a capsule at the Cosmodrome.
typical cortana, still working with the Vex.
Jamie Mountain he declined our ghost’s offer in D1. Homie is tired of saving our asses lol
When you really soak this lore in it’s hard not to be captivated by it. The stories, history, sacrifice and so on. It really is amazing.
I kinda want it to be like a world quest where we find his helmet (again) and at some point we come across him or he us and he asks for it back that’d be funny, and cool imo
Before I watch the video, thank you for remembering saint 14 and his connection to Osiris unlike many many people, this guy my favorite character in destiny
Just sayin before I watch the vid. My boi saint 14 is a Titan. He ain’t dead
junkyboar38 Other legendary Titans have died before, so... But I hope he isn't dead though.
He dead
klay wilcox nah nah nah. That ain’t saint 14. It’s someone else
It saint but we bring him back by breaking time
My dude you right 🤣
I'm glad you made this video because I've been wondering the same thing myself and really hoping he doesn't just get a lackluster exotic lore tab. I'm really hoping with Osiris coming back we get more info on Sunbreakers and Toland as well as 14 since they've all had pretty big impacts on Osiris.
Each expansion will focus on a famous guardian and a Vanguard member!!
Curse of Osiris - Osiris & Ikorra (Warlocks)
Gods of Mars (Rasputin) - Ana Bray & Cayde-6 (Hunters)
Fallen Expansion - Saint-14 & Zavala (Titans)
CadesGap why would saint-14 be in the fallen expansion?
Because that's what made him a legend tbh
Ana Bray is dead, so...
Also, I feel like Zavala would be more about Rasputin since he says in a strike mission from D1 "If we're ever going to have a second golden (age), it'll be with Rasputin on our side," and after the Red War of Destiny 2 we begin a second Golden Age
Braden Sheffield I mean in the lore he went to mercury to find Osiris. So bungie will either have to explain why he's in the dlc or just force him in the dlc.
ayy byf vid just in time for work thank you my dude
Would be amazing if he returned in Osiris DLC his backstory is too good to just be left behind like that
I played against you in trials last Friday, and even though my team lost 5-6, it was a great honor to even have the chance to do battle with one of the greatest guardians our order of scholarly warlocks has ever seen. I salute you Byf.
What if Saint-14 was turned into vex on Mercury, and so he is boss that you must defeat in Curse of Osiris. (Maybe raid boss)
GD Terranibus we already seen that when we fought the Iron lords in rise of iron. It's going to be poor creativity too redo that but then again it's bungie.
U r such a good lore teller and TH-camd in general keep up the good work
I'm calling it bungie with there lazy game design will not even mention Saint 14 in the DLC
If that shotgun is his then they might bra
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And now he’s back
he was mentioned. he had a whole mission where you discovered his coffin, and got a whole series of good weapons that then got added to vances lootpool after you obtained them
I love the devotion you've for every video. S-14 has been my favorite Destiny character since I got the Helm in early Y1.
It will be great if Bungie adds him to the new DLC.
Thanks for the awesome video.
Something that would be cool is we see Osiris and Saint 14 fighting together and we have to rescue both of them. Saint 14 could have found Osiris and confronted him and Osiris might have revealed the vex plan and the future of the city and the death of the speaker and saint 14 found out about our guardian and he might have wanted to protect Osiris because of a future invasion and to protect the legacy of his father/mentor the speaker. Near the end of the expansion saint 14 becomes the new speaker in a cutscene and takes over the speakers quarters in the tower.
Dylan Jones You should be working on this DLC my good man.
Let start by saying I never got into the lore of D1. I subbed to your channel and watched one, then another and though I don't watch them all your vids add a lot of background and fill in gaps. It's like watching a movie and then reading the book. Phenomenal job Byf. Thank you
Ok as unlikely as it is, as close as 14 and Osiris were/are? maybe Osiris found 14 and together they're fighting from within. With Osiris' knowledge and being arguably the most powerful Warlock and 14's take it to enemy, they would be hell on wheels.
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amazing lore vid but RIP grenade at 12:49 XD
are there regular human (non guardian) soldiers?
Yes, Devrin Kay, the sniper in the EDZ, was part of the city militia, a unit seperate from the factions that are tasked with guarding the wall.
dxk Yes.
dxk have you ever looked literally at any npc in the tower. They are everywhere.
takanome and her rangers
dxk add hawthorne to the list too
Hey Byf, remember you have a scannable that is a stasis pod with Saint 14 in it. It's in the Cosmodrome at the end of the Cayde's Stash mission.
Pod # 10201. A Guardian with exceptional Light sealed himself inside. He's been in there for centuries. Before I found you, I tried to resurrect him, but he preferred to sleep. He said the last war was enough for a thousand lifetimes.
That’s a cheeky reference to Master Chief
I think Saint 14 will be the world vendor of Mercury if not then a vendor in the tower and have story involvement as well. I hope to hell he isn't dead cause he's easily the most bad ass titan in destiny history just as osiris is the most bad ass warlock
Joseph Cole see thats what i thought too, but then realized brother vance will be the mercury world vendor
And hey, osiris isnt the most badass warlock its toland alright?
But here’s my thing right, bungie will not display these characters to the ability they’ve been displayed as having throughout the lore. The Osiris you know (I seriously doubt) will be the one we meet in game. The same would probably be true for Saint-14. I prefer my legends stay legends, so I can idolize them, and not be disappointed when they show up just as weak as the level 2 guardian who just got his melee attack.
Brother Vance isn't the world vendor, he's a vendor in The Lighthouse. The world vendor will either be Osiris, or Shiro-4 (From the datamined audio files)
I love Saint-14 but I have to give most bad ass titan to Kabr
The Lighthouse is the social space. Brother Vance is the vendor, or one of them.
Awesome vid, thanks again byf!
That scannable you have shown in this video contains some interesting information. I hope you will make a video about it because I am really troubled with what I heard.
Никто из ниоткуда Same.
I'm going to keep posting the same lore questions until Bfy in some degree gives some kind of answer for them (doesn't have to be a full video, even a single voice line or comment post will do).
1) How did our Guardian Survive the Fall at the end of the Homecoming mission? Our light was gone, our ghost had fallen who knows where, and the impact left a noticeable crater, and yet our character survived without breaking every bone in their body.
2) Have Guardians from a lore perspective ever married and had kids?
It sure would be cool if he returned
Kinda wish there was a side quest where if you found some collectible it'd reveal a cinematic detailing some of if not all the major events or characters we only hear about. Like what if we could see Dredgen Yor actually fighting in the crucible, or watch the actual battle of six fronts, or even see Cayde prior to his becoming an exo. It'd give people something else to search for in light of the endgame drought. Plus we'd get to learn a little lore in the process.
Awoken and/or Queen Lore PLEASE
A little far off. Byf will probably do a video or two on this when Year 2 drops, as it is believed to revolve around the Fallen, the Queen’s brother, and the House of Kings.
Jack Werner Zavala said this to me yesterday: "you are a guardian first and an Awoken second, remember that if the queen ever reaches out to you." A war against the Queen! I side with Her!
Saint-14 being in there in someway would be the most amazing thing! He is easily my favorite character.
I just had a great idea, what if throughout D2 dlcs we find and bring back powerful Guardians, Osiris, Saint-14, and Ana Bray (or whoever is in the cover art for DLC 2) which sets us up for the huge epic defense of the Last City against the big triangle Darkness ships? That’d be cool
-TanMan - u might be on to something
-TanMan - That’ll alter reality.
Triangle darkness ship in the moon
*Shadowkeep
I love how I've seen enough videos that when byf goes over lore I already know it haha
Watch bungie just kill him off like most FUCKING CHARECTERS like I want to fight next to a badass my guardian like it better not be a shit ai
Sergio Garcia lol kill him off!! 😂😂😂 no they make us kill him watch
Micheal Tatu if that shit happens then I'm just going to be mad that's about it like who cares if the most logical thing is to kill him off like this game is based around fucking space magic.
Gotta love that Veist class auto rifle.
Both the Sandwasp and Valakadyn are beasts
Would love to see a video going more into detail of the different orders. Especially if there are multiple orders across all three classes.
One of the best ways to introduce Saint-14 into the story would be that after we meet Osiris and we get to a point where we get in way to deep and are about to die, a vex portal opens, and a flaming hammer flies through and slams into the ground. Everyone stops shooting and us including the vex all turn to the portal, and an explosion erupts from the portal, as Saint-14 falls out onto a knee, supporting his body with a lowered fist, knuckles to the ground. He looks up towards the horde of Vex, a fire burning in his eyes, and just unloads on them, destroying the hordes we were so easily over taken by. Introducing him as a complete badass and unstoppable power-house would be a fantastic introduction to a lore titan, since we don't really have a badass titan in the actual campaign other then Zavala and he's not really badass. The Hunters have Cayde, the warlocks have Osiris, give us Saint-14, at least for a moment!
@My name is Byf big lore fan here and your my main source to learn about destiny lore but just a random thought but its is entirely possible to see saint 14 in the past during the battle twilight gap or even six front that we might see your own guardian past and possibly how they died
Thanks for the vid Byf! I don't think we'll see much of Saint-14, probably some scanables that hint at what happened but that's all.
It would be epic to find Saint-14 while searching for Osiris and 14 would take over for Ikora or at least work alongside her to find Osiris.
Thank you for making these videos. :)
That's insightful, well lets hope we get to see Saint-14. As you mentioned, that we might see flashbacks of Saint-14, The Speaker and, Osiris in the DLC. What if there was a mission that required us to travel back in time to Assist Saint-14 while on Mercury. As you know The Vex does have away to Manipulate/travel through time. or assist the three of them at the battle of 6 fronts. Just a thought.
I'm sitting here as a Titan-main listening to you talk about Titan Orders, whole time thinking "alright which one's the offensive one that believes in fighting fire with fir..."
2:59 to 4:32
Byf: "...Let's talk about the Firebreak Order"
Me: "Yep, that's definitely the one"
Man I wish we could see all this awesomeness in game cutscenes as always excellent job Byf you are a very big credit to the Destiny world I've been playing since vanilla Destiny and I tell you know lie you are one of the lore Masters that kept my interest piqued as always thank you my friend keep up the good work Guardian
I have school tomorrow but byf just uploaded..
Sorry byfo sama I ll watch this when I come back from school
the fuck
did u expect that to get likes?
Dirk Groovy i didnt even expect replys soo no
I’ve been hoping so much that Saint-14 becomes a character we can interact with cause I love everything I’ve heard about him
Keep up the good work!
Great video Byf. New to the channel but I am really enjoying the content. A lot of stuff to catch up on. One question though, it looks like the footage is captured on PC but what Mouse Sensitivity are you using? a few time during the game play you flicked quite quickly which suggest that it may a tad high. You mentioned that you were not a fan of the mouse and keyboard setup in a previous video but maybe it is because your mouse sens might be set too high.
Side note: you forgot something. The Stoneborn order likely isnt entirely dead because Zavala is presumably part of this order because at the end of the campaign, he mentions how he built the walls around the City.
I would kill to have Saint 14 added to the game. Even if he is just like a World vendor or something he is literally my favorite titan and I can't thank you enough for making this video!
Saint 14 is a super gangsta but I recon he's kicking arse and taking names with Osiris somewhere in the vex system like you mentioned
This could be an opportunity for Bungie to introduce three different world quests, one for each class, with the Titan's ending in them tracing Saint-14's steps to the point we find his helmet in front of a Vex gate, but nothing else, neither confirming nor denying his survival and leaving the door open for a future release. I'd have to think about two other quests for Warlock and Hunter exotics, but I'd be happy if that was the case and each class got a quest to complete.
id love to see Saint 14 in the DLC, also to see his helmet come back but maybe with a different perk aimed at the shield instead of the bubble. just any mention of this badass fellow titan would be awesome.
Hey Byf, just a random point that I haven't seen mentioned. On the exotic ship Eriana's Vengeance there is an open Osiris eye and was wondering why that would be placed there. Thanks and keep up the amazing work.
I would be thrilled to see Saint-14 in this expansion or a teaser that may lead to his own DLC. I also think it would be awesome to somehow go back in time and fight along NPC characters at the Battle of the Six Fronts and Twilight Gap.
Seeing Saint-14 would be amazing, maybe we could go back in time to help him fight the kell, but that would change the course of his exotic helmet
Gotta say I am physically unable to express how much I want to see saint-14 not only is he a fellow exo and titan but he is just the absolute coolest character in my eyes. Headbutting a kell's skull until it caves in? Godly levels of badass. I also think he could be alive, he would just need to headbutt everything to death.
I would love it when we finally find osiris in the vex timeline that the reason he has survived for so long is because he and saint 14 are fighting side by side. I want to believe that he went to mercury to save his friend. And from failsafe it sounds as though osiris has some control where he is. I think the best option for the next speaker would not be one of the either but both. One who is devout to the traveler and one who does ask questions to balance each other out
Well there is a shotgun in the Wormhaven footage with a Fleur-de-lis (A symbol with many meanings, one of which is a symbol denoting a saint) and the Roman Numeral XIV: 14. It's Saint-14's shotgun. It may be an exotic, perhaps from the Mercury World Quest. He will be at least mentioned in Curse of Osiris.
Here is how I think we will encounter saint-14 it will be a quest about finding him and throughout it you go to multiple small camps that appear to be made by saint-14 and in each on there is a small audio recording that you can listen to where it is saint-14 talking about how he may be getting close to finding osris but at the end of the quest you find a cave full of shattered and broken vex shells and in the back of the cave you find a skeleton with saint-14's helmet riped in half sitting right next to it and when you find it osris says something like "Old friend no how could I have let this horrible fate befall you" in a solemn tone then you pick up the helmet witch is not wearable and it is called something like remnant of saint-14 and you return it to osris and he thanks you for returning a piece of his old friend to him.
amazing. fantastic lore about the different types of Titans!
You also gotta consider worse case scenario that he failed to "Stop him from waking up hell." and was taken by the vex. That hell is likely the antagonist of the dlc the vex moving with an unknown plan on mercury thats calling past and future frames to the present.
Has anyone noticed how on the Dire Promise when you reload you can briefly see a vex head and tallies sketched onto the clip?
i think what would be cool is if while we are traversing mercury in this next expanison we find saint-14's helmet somewhere on the surface, and we pick it up, and we are told some of his story and what happened to him.
If not has said it yet, I'm gonna theorize that saint-14, Ana bray, and Osiris have formed a fireteam to combat the Vex and Ana Bray will reveal herself as The Stranger with her glorious quote, "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain" or calling ghost "little light".
Wasn’t there a scannable during the Nessus strike where you can scan some pods in the boss room and your ghost says there is a powerful guardian sleeping?
Yo Byf! I just participated in a pubic event...In the TOWER. And someone got a dance party key. Turns out when you use one it plays some dance music and spawns a loot box near whatever faction you use it in.
Vid suggestion. Can you please showcase gameplay corresponding to the particular class of the lore you're talking about.
i.e. saint 14 - Titan, Eris Morn - Warlock, etc.
It would be nice if we see saint 14 in the same style as we gained your second and third subclass in Destiny 2, this could also be done by using the infinite forest in some way, as we battle the vex from the past it would be nice if we were to see and help him fighting like the first mission with zavala, if he is actually dead we could see this happen or even help prevent it and allow him to live in present day which would be a nice way to implement the time travel idea involving the vex... just a thought.
Hey BYF, I would love to see Saint 14 as the new speaker, or maybe see him and Osaris form teams of guardians to fight against each other for control of mercury just a thought
Can you make a video on exactly what it means for the traveler to be alive again?
Tho a bit of a stretch the fact one of the devs confirmed Curse of Osiris is not just gonna talk about the history of Osiris but the history of Warlocks in general, maybe they'll save Saint-14 for a possibly Titan focus in the 3rd expansion.
That or Lysander of the Concordet.
I have a question, how did the red legion "turn off" the skyline defense system? I mean like the cannons you can see in D1 in the tower. Did they have an inside man?
Yes i definitely would like to see some lore about St-14 in the expansion. At the very least, have it something like Interstellar. Where the group lands on the first planet (all water) only to discover that the good doctor died moments before they landed. Due to the way that time works, or is theorized to work near a black hole...could be an interesting story piece to add to the whole expansion. At least discover if the good Saint-14 ever made it to Mercury
Being that Saint is an Exo, I can’t fathom that he would die so easily in the face of battle. And couldn’t it be that he might have a Ghost who could revive him?
He may be remembered in a story told by Osiris if we are to rescue him. Maybe Zavala will hear the voice of him and wonder if it was actually him through the vex network
I think our titan is a stoneborn its the thrid one you mentioned so im assuming its the third order.the beginning/ikora titan gear im pretty sure has III(3 in Roman numerals) in its right leg.it could be that the gear set is the official stoneborn armour granted to those who defeat enemies and held the city walls
I feel like S14 has a strong possibility to be a 'coms only' type of encounter in this expansion. Whether that's through recordings or radio speech I'm not sure, but I feel that if he was going to have an in-game model, he would've been in the trailer somewhere, even just in thw background.
Would be cool if you found his helmet and return it to him or give it to Osiris and have one of those moments where Osiris remembers a friend.
i dont think we would see him, but we might hear him like we heard voices through light projections in the subclass missions
A world quest to get his helmet would be pretty cool.
I know exactly what capacity we'll see Saint 14 in, only two Guardians went to Mercury, three counting your arrival, chances are high we'll end up finding Saint first, doing what firebreaks do best, how finding him plays out is the variable, do we find him post sacrifice? Mid sacrifice? So we save him? Does he save us? Or perhaps we don't see him until the raid, and he be found there, fighting the biggest and baddest? Maybe we find him in the raids hard mode butting heads (literally) with the prestige boss, or maybe he's involved in the challenges during said prestige encounters, he does have that 'never say die' and 'find the biggest guy the the room and bash it's skull in' feel.. hopefully they play that up to a dramatic effect