A Tactical Vampire Attack

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  • @yamato9753
    @yamato9753 ปีที่แล้ว +590

    I love how the Vampire just goes into the tavern to gain some thralls just to be flashbanged, flashbanged again, stunned and flasbanged *AGAIN*.
    Just to overall win the Encounter by getting what he wanted.

    • @necroarcanistxiii
      @necroarcanistxiii ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Mission Failed Successfully.

    • @JubioHDX
      @JubioHDX ปีที่แล้ว +44

      wasnt as fun of a date night out with the wifey as he imagined but he achieved his goal nonetheless

    • @MegaBichiX
      @MegaBichiX ปีที่แล้ว +22

      the second time they find him he is wearing sunglasses at night

    • @artor9175
      @artor9175 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@MegaBichiX So he can keep track of visions in his mind, naturally.

    • @nunyabizness6553
      @nunyabizness6553 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Gives the Vampire good reason to hate the party and see them as threats.
      "Not THESE FUCKING GUYS AGAIN!?"

  • @swguygardner
    @swguygardner ปีที่แล้ว +1693

    It's worth bearing in mind that Daylight doesn't cast sunlight, just bright light. It's a very common mistake, I'd always assumed a spell called "Daylight" would create the light of the day, but Crawford confirmed it isn't :/

    • @TheJoshOfAeons
      @TheJoshOfAeons ปีที่แล้ว +105

      was just about to comment the same thing lmao good spot

    • @Runesmith
      @Runesmith  ปีที่แล้ว +1372

      Oh I didn't know it was officially confirmed to be useless, even though its literal name is the thing that hurts vampires. They should just remove the spell then.

    • @jackpraefortis5293
      @jackpraefortis5293 ปีที่แล้ว +204

      @@Runesmith I just figured this out recently. They should honest just fix it. I don't know if it's a typo or a mistake, but it's very misleading.

    • @tigereyeinc.718
      @tigereyeinc.718 ปีที่แล้ว +220

      That's dumb.
      Welp at least as the DM I can just flip the rules off and my players can use a cool spell in my CoS game.

    • @braedenmclean5304
      @braedenmclean5304 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Ya, I’ve always homeruled it as sun

  • @Fallenmonkd20
    @Fallenmonkd20 ปีที่แล้ว +934

    Would vampire Gnomes just be called Ankle Bitters?

    • @Heavenriser_leader
      @Heavenriser_leader ปีที่แล้ว +23

      That what kids are also called

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Heavenriser_leader So, yes to Fallenmonk's question?

    • @araysspot778
      @araysspot778 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      no thats just people who are 5.11 and shorter

    • @robinthrush9672
      @robinthrush9672 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Ankle Biter" is the nickname for my pirate gnome who slashes Achilles heals.

    • @CooperAATE
      @CooperAATE ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, that's halflings. They're shorter

  • @TheStilf
    @TheStilf ปีที่แล้ว +1187

    I feel a level 15 party is over qualified for one vampire.
    The bigger threat is the vampire getting away to make more thralls.

    • @davidtherwhanger6795
      @davidtherwhanger6795 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      That's what I was thinking. On failing to charm the Bard and escaping with mist the vampire should have ordered the wolves to attack to stop or slow pursuit. Then fled with the 5 victims. Can always come back stronger. Especially if the Vamp was just starting out with no home base and one thrawl.

    • @KageRyuu6
      @KageRyuu6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Yeah 5e CR is all over the fucking place.

    • @viatka1966
      @viatka1966 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      In my recent game my party of 4 level 5 characters almost bitchslapped a cr 13 legendary monster and their entourage. They would lose eventually and it was an encounter for them to meet and learn about the BBGE of the campaign, but they legit got it to half health and killed other monsters around. In these dire times it would be wise to remember: "throw a seemingly impossible encounter at your players and let them figure out how to deal with it, they will surprise you". Maybe it's my fault, the introductory game was death house, they suffered a lot there, but this experience turned them into monsters.

    • @JubioHDX
      @JubioHDX ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@davidtherwhanger6795 it did leave with 5 thralls it just attempted to take a few more first, but same outcome as what youre suggesting.

    • @davidtherwhanger6795
      @davidtherwhanger6795 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JubioHDX My point was that the vampire found the odds were against him. And as vampires do play the long game, the vampire should have fled when outmatched. They can always rebuild so long as they don't get killed. Time is on their side.

  • @Chernobog34
    @Chernobog34 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    What's even scarier to me here is if the vampire had just enthralled the 3 patrons and the barkeep and not bothered with the party, imagine the party the next day waking up to see that almost the entire building just vanished in the night. That's a good setup for an investigation quest.

    • @certifiedcoolguy583
      @certifiedcoolguy583 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Tbf, it's not like you can pick out a random inn in the middle of nowhere and reasonably guess that it's currently inhabited by some of the most dangerous people on the planet.

  • @fireknight4151
    @fireknight4151 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    Add also since the vampire has the innkeeper as a thrall he also can use the Inn as a base of operations/lure for people to come in. The best part is that he's always a beloved guest so he can just walk right in anytime he wants

    • @super-zw3ep
      @super-zw3ep ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I feel like that’s a bad idea because there are survivors that could just tell people like the vampire hunters about this

    • @MayHugger
      @MayHugger ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@super-zw3ep Assuming they both find out and escape.

  • @mastermuffles7097
    @mastermuffles7097 ปีที่แล้ว +590

    I love these monster tactics videos and they are always a treat to work with.
    I think this video reinforces the idea that vampires aren't supposed to be a threat because they can TPK the party in a single combat, but because of what they can do to the world around them.
    Like a vampire isn't a threat to some well-prepared adventurers, but that's because that's generally the only that can kill one.

    • @josephbolton5893
      @josephbolton5893 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Yeah, the vampire Itself isn't the biggest threat. Its the army of thralls that will rip the party to shreds if they aren't careful.

    • @JubioHDX
      @JubioHDX ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yup, tbh this was a overall huge win for the vampire, it left with 5 thralls and no downside except for some pain. Best case scenario sure he couldve had 4 more thralls (being the adventurers and extra gnome) but in the end itll be much more prepared for the next time he sees these adventurers and will have 5 new henchmen to help while they can barely chase cause of the wolves

    • @elegantoddity8609
      @elegantoddity8609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Like all batmen, his greatest power is prep time.

  • @puckshriekstheim6114
    @puckshriekstheim6114 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    It may have been short, but the adventurers basically just lived through the extremely traumatic event of seeing a whole inn worth of people get enthralled by an undead, fighting off a small horde of wolves who were literally scrambling over eachother down a hallway like world War Z zombies, fought back a Vampire and his wife who spider climbed on walls, and even though they survived the next attack would be even deadlier.

  • @calebkopp7636
    @calebkopp7636 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    Vampires are the epitome of 'the consequences of your own actions'. Unless your DM is Machiavellian with his subtly, or the dice just really decide they like this guy, you have to actively not chase the vampire down in order for them to get away. But if they do get away, you've met the necromancer's more stylish cousin- who with his endless minions can and will just take over a kingdom through sheer numbers. You let three people get away, now there are 15.

    • @KageRyuu6
      @KageRyuu6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Except Spawns can't create Spawns, nor can they Charm substantially reducing their effectiveness as Vampires. So wouldn't say the growth is anywhere near exponential, but it's still terrifying.

    • @necroarcanistxiii
      @necroarcanistxiii ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@KageRyuu6 It's often stated that Vampires don't want to create other fully-fledged vampires simply because with their free will... they're typically going to piss off and start their own coven, or try to kill their former master, or both. Also just the normal Vampire Spawn statblock won't really inspire that much fear. Give them martial training and one or two class levels, you have a small army of vampire knights, mages and assassins.
      Also an interesting setup for a player party. "Band of murderous Vampire Spawn looking for their master", it's like the grimdark polar opposite of "Band of Half-Races looking for their human Bard father".

  • @deltarno7502
    @deltarno7502 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    "But it only takes one surviving for more to pop up. They're like the trendy juice bar of monsters." Order of the stick.
    DnD might make it difficult to have a good zombie apocalypse, but give the count a week and the party will be up to their stinky armpits in vampires.

    • @user-qy8kk8yx4q
      @user-qy8kk8yx4q ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hellooooo, fellow oots fan!

    • @theuncalledfor
      @theuncalledfor ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Actually, my character has the Feylost background, so their armpits smell like strawberries. (A sweet scent is an actual side effect option from that background.) So unless you think strawberries stink, they're not stinky.

  • @nonya9120
    @nonya9120 ปีที่แล้ว +217

    This is why so many vampire hunters are hunters. Go to the crypt and stake the blood sucker at home. Otherwise, if you find one on a grocery run. Any survivors should consider themselves lucky. The vamp in this case should have ran when the light hit. Take the thralls and tie the party up with whatever wolves were left.

    • @sidecharacter7165
      @sidecharacter7165 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Martials use superior movement and projectiles or casters can use Charm magic and Abjurarion bs on any clerics. Even without prep a proper vampire is dang scary.

    • @JubioHDX
      @JubioHDX ปีที่แล้ว +8

      In the end it did just that, left with 5 new thralls and most of the wolves are still in there to annoy the party now that the daggers are gone, only thing staying longer caused was a little extra pain but it would be worth it to try at least that much to get 1 of the 4 people left in the building gotta remember every turn was only 6 seconds.

  • @panpan3303
    @panpan3303 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    I like how he describes jojo’s bizarre adventure part 2: battle tendency as just “part 2” as if it was just an entire show called part 2 or it was the second of all of fiction.

    • @Soladrin
      @Soladrin ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Is he wrong tho.

  • @clubbedpenguin.
    @clubbedpenguin. ปีที่แล้ว +160

    A storm giant or a red dragon are scary because they will absolutely rock all of your shit single handedly. A vampire is scary because he overcomes his weaknesses by crafting plans and building an army to do everything he can’t. He may have been foiled today, but now he knows the strength of the party. He might wait until they are in a more advantageous spot like a camp outside or an inn where he already controls the owner. See how the party likes it when the opening move is not a failed charm but instead three simultaneous sneak attacks by vampiric assassins while they slumber

    • @midnightstorm6576
      @midnightstorm6576 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Or, honestly? That rediculously powerful wizard who commands the fabric of reality is worth just as much food as farmer jimmy who can't escape your grip with a nat 20. Just give them some gold, tell them you've changed your ways, and go off to continue harrassing people that are actually in the food catagory and not the living weapon of mass destruction catagory.

    • @clubbedpenguin.
      @clubbedpenguin. ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@midnightstorm6576 “I’m gonna pay you $100 to fuck off”

    • @xxXXRAPXXxx
      @xxXXRAPXXxx ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now that i think of it i think he did not do this encounter well in one single point. The party was tired (supposedly) after adventuring beforehand yet it seemed like they ware at full power even though they did not do a full long rest. Sure the cleric and wizard ware op here but what if most of their spells ware used before this? What if the corridors could fit several wolves in one square (seriously they ware chunky bois if only one could fit in a square meter)? Sure dnd vamps are weak af but here party should be in some trouble.

    • @bigmonkey1254
      @bigmonkey1254 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean, a red dragon will also likely be commanding a squad of hand-picked admirers or mercenaries as well. Plus, they're incredibly meticulous and like to make sure they always have the upper hand. But vampires do definitely have a cool dark flavor that makes it fun when there's one running a huge nighttime terror campaign. Plus, the stark weaknesses of the vampire make it fun as the creature is constantly trying to cover its ass while the party is actively trying to exploit those weaknesses.

  • @TheJoshOfAeons
    @TheJoshOfAeons ปีที่แล้ว +181

    A mad dash down the comments about the Daylight spell, I'm sure if the cleric can cast 5th level spells you can easily exchange the intended effect to say "Yea sorry DM I meant to cast Dawn I DO have that prepared I just got my day spells mixed up!"

    • @TheJoshOfAeons
      @TheJoshOfAeons ปีที่แล้ว +23

      YEa Beacon of Hope would end because 2 concentration spells back to back but
      Cmon
      Are ya really gonna prefer Beacon of Hope over Dawn vs vampires.
      Thankyou

    • @probablythedm1669
      @probablythedm1669 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Dawn would also have done 4d10 damage/round to everyone, including the party. It's not interchangable. This is a classic case of READ. YOUR. SPELLS. Not their names, the full text. Spell names are often misleading.

    • @MannonMartin
      @MannonMartin ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@probablythedm1669 "Spell names are often misleading." That's sure as hell the truth... D&D is a weird game.

    • @dylannoonan640
      @dylannoonan640 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MannonMartin Had a very awkward moment where i had to explain that chill touch cant be cast through a familiar because its not a touch spell

  • @rubenhoelz1464
    @rubenhoelz1464 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I still remember quite fondly casting Blindness on a Vampire - the first time I ever used that spell with my character - in 3.5.
    The DM was stunned. He thought the Vampire would be near impossible for us to beat and yet here he was cartoonishly flapping his arms around trying to find us. :D

    • @davidfinch7407
      @davidfinch7407 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Hmm I wonder if the vampire reverted to mist, would the blindness be dispelled? In mist form, vampires don't 'see', at least not with eyes, but they can still sense your location, somehow.

  • @DuelingCharisma
    @DuelingCharisma ปีที่แล้ว +281

    Warlocks, rejoice! Our patron has returned!!!

    • @zachtyrer6825
      @zachtyrer6825 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      All hail the mighty runesmith knowledge maker and big brain thinker

    • @justtj8085
      @justtj8085 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Pact of the LARPer

  • @AuntieHauntieGames
    @AuntieHauntieGames ปีที่แล้ว +39

    As someone who works in a boutique hotel, I can confirm that this happens more often than we would like the public to admit. Some of the people working in hotels are even vampires, casualties of such terrible happenstances who cannot be let go by the company cause, well, firing them for acquiring such a condition would be a jerk move. >_>
    Very believable scenario.

    • @necroarcanistxiii
      @necroarcanistxiii ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Why do you think some supermarket stores hire greeters to welcome customers? Corporate vampires looking to do some grocery shopping of their own.

  • @porsevalex
    @porsevalex ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Vampire is best used against a lower level party. Party of lvl 15 is gonna shred this encounter. But give the vampire a village to turn into an army of spawns and pit it against of ~lvl 10 party and you got yourself a great BBEG

  • @BradK4444
    @BradK4444 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    If you ever decide to do this again, maybe take into account that the party hasn't finished their long rest yet and therefore has fewer spell slots and HP.
    (Though, as you pointed out, the vampire's goal was to eat, not kill the party. Which he succeeded at doing.)

  • @skywolfbat
    @skywolfbat ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Since you're starting to make videos about running monsters/villains tactically, I've got a suggest for you; Necromancer, either an understudy or a fledgeling, and his small group of skeletons decide to convert more people to his faith of the macab dance.

  • @SlightChanceOfRaine887
    @SlightChanceOfRaine887 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    This could not have come at a more perfect time! I run the 1st session of a vampire themed campaign in a few hours

    • @MrVampirePirate
      @MrVampirePirate ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Be sure to say "Bleh bleh bleh" It's important for immersion

  • @liamfitzpatrick3812
    @liamfitzpatrick3812 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    The take away here is that it took 3 legendary (I would personally consider 3 level 15 PCs to be hero level) individuals to make the vampire fuck off. Not to kill him, not to make him leave before he got what he came for, no. It took all that just to make him leave, and even if they managed to kill him, he would of been fine. This should teach you that even the lamest of vampires tend to just win on account of being vampires, and that you should make a bunch of super vampire thralls who suck super hard with a vampire master who's smarter than any of the PCs are. Or in other words, just make dio and his minions because they're really funny.

    • @dylutant
      @dylutant ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Plus, it hinged on a cleric with prepared Daylight, which is rare. Can't recall my players doing that outside the underdark or as a reaction to a recent relevant (e.g. vampire) encounter.

    • @The_Crimson_Witch
      @The_Crimson_Witch ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dylutant That and daylight, despite the name, doesn't create sunlight. It's just a darkness dispeller.

    • @dylutant
      @dylutant ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@The_Crimson_Witch huh, right you are. Between different languages and editions, I didn't even bother checking.

  • @vicentetemes5793
    @vicentetemes5793 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's important for your encounters to have "optional success conditions", stuff that lrads to victory or defeat that isn't just removing the opponent's HP. This is a perfect example of that.

  • @Flummiification
    @Flummiification ปีที่แล้ว +15

    not the awesome failproof encounter I hoped for but a great way to show how every fight goes down differently and how you'd practically need experience with every constellation to predict anything.
    for example wolves in a line not good, wolves that surround the party pretty good.

  • @chillycharizard5985
    @chillycharizard5985 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The goal of a young vampire isn't to kill the adventurers, it's to get away with thralls and snowball their influence

  • @Seldoom
    @Seldoom ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Hilariously, the spell called "daylight", which is the same level as fireball, does not actually create sunlight and is instead just a glorified lantern.
    Though you could easily just rule that it does (and it's basically worthless for anything other than dispelling Darkness otherwise).

    • @Mare_Man
      @Mare_Man ปีที่แล้ว +12

      According to Crawford, who has also said that _See Invisibility_ doesn't negate _Invisibility._

    • @juliabarrow-hemmings6624
      @juliabarrow-hemmings6624 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Mare_Man It doesn't negate invisibility, it just lets you circumvent it, very different. I still don't agree that invisibility's disadvantage for attackers should stay even with see invisibility, but see invisibility is still very useful and still does limit what the invisible person can do.

    • @juliabarrow-hemmings6624
      @juliabarrow-hemmings6624 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@shinrapresident7010 That's still not negation but circumvention, they are only visible to you, it doesn't remove invisibility therefore it does not negate it

    • @rubydragon1034
      @rubydragon1034 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@juliabarrow-hemmings6624 You sound like the type of person who wrote the 1.1 OGL.

    • @juliabarrow-hemmings6624
      @juliabarrow-hemmings6624 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@rubydragon1034 Not sure whether that's a compliment or an insult but thanks either way I suppose. To clarify why I bring up the distinction between negation and circumvention, negation has long been used in rules for ttrpgs and their ancestors, War games, to mean to entirely remove from play, see invisibility does not do this, so it's circumvention, invisibility still exists in play, it just isn't doing quite so much. For an analogy, if you have say Heavy Armour Master, you do not negate attacks against you, tbf I wouldn't say you circumvent them either, partial negation is a better term in that example but eh.
      I will fully admit that I can be a pedant about these things but English is not my first language entirely so these sorts of discrepancies matter to me.

  • @RenoKyrie
    @RenoKyrie ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Vampires Vs Therianthrope has been a long thing that really never get explored
    Soo my headcanon is making both of them originally from Shadowfell and Feywild respectively, one is a Spiritual Entity that needed Blood as its food source while the other are Humanoid Animals that are guardians to Pure Animals and were ancestors to some Humanoid Animal species
    The 2 Race lived surprisingly peacefully despite their Queens having wars on one another but all is changed when a Powerfull Hag manipulated the 2 into fighting one another, no one won and they end up needing to preserve their history into The Moon for Therianthropes and The Abyss for Vampires
    But of course, the Hag instead turn Vampirism and Therianism as a Curse which is why both have incredibly specific downsides because they were either desires of the Therianthropes or the fact Vampires are not supposed to have Physical Bodies

    • @LeRodz
      @LeRodz ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It kinda reminds me of the werewolf vs vampire thing from WoD (which i know very little of, tbh). Therianthropes are creatures overflowing with life, connected to the Earth itself and who defend the natural world. Vampires are the polar opposite, they are beings who defy the natural cycle via their undeath.

  • @Alzhaer
    @Alzhaer ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The reason the wizard knows sunbeam is that it is literally anti vampire, anti drow and anti shadow fell blasting.
    Like magic missile, counterspell and mirror image, I can't think of a reason any wizard shouldn't learn them.

  • @timelordacaelus5959
    @timelordacaelus5959 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    0:46 To add to that, spoiler warning for those who haven't read Dracula: The actual hunting and killing of Dracula was a huge coordinated effort by a group of six, this including a highly experienced vampire hunter, a character with prior experience with other vampires that gave the squad a heads up before they potentially walked into a trap, and another character that basically wound up with a psychic link to Dracula and could relay his position to everyone else. Taking down a vampire - especially an old and powerful one - is some serious shit.

    • @Pattabazza
      @Pattabazza 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Van Helsing is NOT an experienced vampire hunter, he's literally just a doctor that happens to have read up on them and is willing to accept the idea that they exist as an answer to the mysterious illness he's trying to solve
      in the Dracula novel, not one character aside from Dracula himself has ever encountered a vampire before having to deal with Dracula

    • @timelordacaelus5959
      @timelordacaelus5959 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Pattabazza I'm going to have to read through it again myself, because I could have sworn there was something that said he was, if not at least implying it.

  • @alfredwinchesterjr
    @alfredwinchesterjr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "When did you learn that you have a vampire infestation?"
    '...Well he started a vampiric pyramid scheme-"

  • @FirstLast-cg2nk
    @FirstLast-cg2nk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A great example of Vampires Versus Unprepared People is Hellsing's infamous Embassy scene. Yeah, if you're prepared for vampires, you're fine, but if not? Your cheeks will get clapped so hard it'll sound like you're applauding the vampire.

  • @dylutant
    @dylutant ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The real danger/forward plot is old papa vampire using the party to find for the ex-thrall with wife and new kids.

  • @paulpardee
    @paulpardee ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That's a perfect encounter, dude. You dropped some major motivation on them and upped the ante for the next time. You couldn't have planned it better than that!

  • @RealSaintB
    @RealSaintB 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The vampire actually won that encounter. The PC's merely survived.

  • @Shaymin0
    @Shaymin0 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    My first encounter with a vampire was me and my level 6 party.
    We learned vampires sucked ass because we destroyed his ass in 2 turns since he was gonna be the big bad my dm had to rewrite the whole story because of it.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The DM failed to use tactics

    • @davidtherwhanger6795
      @davidtherwhanger6795 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Head vampires should almost never be encountered. They are the master minds with time on their side. Any time I have had a vampire as the BBEG they have never encountered the party where the vampire didn't initiate the encounter and was well prepared for it.
      All other encounters would be with minions or lesser vampires under the head vampire's command.
      With your case, your DM should have just made the vampire you killed a henchman/ cut out of the "REAL" BBEG. Some one the actual head vampire set up to be the face of the operation and take the fall if it went bad so no one would suspect them.

  • @ghrondindustries5136
    @ghrondindustries5136 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The party feels like they just majorly kicked ass, and then they look at the actual aftermath and the whole tavern is just EMPTY. Oh shit indeed

  • @buttssanchez6763
    @buttssanchez6763 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "The party is going up against a vampire."
    Ooh, this should be good.
    "They're level 15 and they have a cleric."
    ... okay so you're just giving them a jobber enemy to chew on.

  • @vineveer4358
    @vineveer4358 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Daylight doesn't produce sunlight, grease can't be set on fire, and there is no war in ba sing se.

  • @Trivial_Whim
    @Trivial_Whim ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just realize why this is so funny to me.
    The Party: Okay so, how much xp did we get from that?
    The DM: Nothing. Summoned monsters are considered under the summoner’s CR and you only killed wolves.

  • @lordhelmchen3154
    @lordhelmchen3154 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    To be honest, this encounter would still be pretty cool and terrifying for me as a player... one moment we think "oh yeah, we showed them! We're so good" and moments later we realize that *the whole tavern* is no empty and all other patrons including the innkeeper have been killed or, worse, abducted to serve as snack-to-go and/or future vampire spawn to be unleashed on the world...
    That's not what a win looks like in my books. :D

  • @zt2cans82
    @zt2cans82 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    best type of vampires are the ones who like to go for enthusiastic walks

  • @celarc99
    @celarc99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That bongsmoke turning his head and power word stunning was fucking gold. I haven't laughed that hard in a while, lmao

  • @dreamedoutdoll
    @dreamedoutdoll ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "That was so, so lame, but it was really scary" sums up Vampires perfectly. Absolutely ridiculous lore, allergic to garlic, must be invited into places, can't be seen in a mirror, and so on. 75% of them seem like over the top villain-for-the-sake-of-villainy types who live in gothic castles, permanently fixing themselves as aged metaphors for aristocrats... And yet... Something about them can fill us with fear. Its like all that silliness juxtaposes against the fear of a creature who can dominate your mind and corrupt your body with a single look or bite, who's power and age give it a wisdom like nothing you've ever faced. The confidence of a being who knows its an apex predator, and you are its prey. Vampires are hella interesting.

  • @Scrambles19
    @Scrambles19 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite vampire fight that I've done was in the Mad Mage campaign. I was playing a Monk who had expertise in athletics, and we had a Druid, Artificer and Bard in the group as well. There were two vampires that attacked first. The Artificer trapped one of the vampires in Otiluke's Resilient Sphere right away. The Druid cast Moonbeam and my monk grappled the vampire with his absurd Athletics roll and dragged him into the moonbeam. Both of us were taking damage from it but I was making most of the saves and the vampire, being a shapechanger, was rolling with disadvantage and failing most of them. He was taking extra damage from the rest of the party attacking him while he was headlocked in the moonbeam. So it went until the vampire ran out of HP and, being a shapechanger in a moonbeam, was prevented from shapeshifting into mist and was destroyed on the spot. The second vampire, who had been observing this from withing the Resilient Sphere the whole time, then had his turn getting a Moonbeam swirly.

  • @asherfrench
    @asherfrench ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Perfect timing, I needed a vampire attack

  • @Trencher1375
    @Trencher1375 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vampires can enter inns and other public places.
    The wolves running over their packmates would wake them up.

  • @kingskelett6265
    @kingskelett6265 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The funny thing is that daylight doesn't actually make sunlight so it isn't useful against vampires.
    However, sunbeam does.
    "For the duration, a mote of brilliant radiance shines in your hand. It sheds bright light in a 30-foot radius and dim light for an additional 30 feet. This light is sunlight."
    Not only can you deal 6d8 radiant damage in a 60 feet line every round, you constantly scorch them. So any vampire would have to either get as far away as possible or try to break concentration.
    But yes, vampires need to be played either very smartly (as in, they act smart and intelligent, plan and stack the deck against ya) or give them more combat abilities on top. Though the second option is not the best since that would make an already long statblock even longer.

  • @Ian_Comics
    @Ian_Comics ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Daylight doesn't make sunlight. It wouldn't hurt a vampire. You'd want to cast Dawn to do that.

    • @hyperangelkaeverak
      @hyperangelkaeverak ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Came here to say this. Dawn specifically states it counts as sunlight, Daylight does not. If you GM rules it differently that's on them, but rules as written the Daylight spell wouldn't have any adverse effects on vampires. The good news is that at level 15 both the wizard and the cleric can be packing Dawn and would roast the vampires real quick.

  • @The_Darke_Lorde
    @The_Darke_Lorde 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How I think this would've technically run, starting with Tiddieslaps:
    Essentially until the vampire shows he vampy boi, he and his wifey are presumed by the party to be some bounty hunters after them, and wind up charmed by the vampire because he got through their saves by what they assumed to be spammed Charm Persons because he's a mage who also has 15 pet wolves and kidnapped everyone in the inn.

  • @jonathanthomas8736
    @jonathanthomas8736 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I loved that you just rolled with it when it went all haywire. Well played, and that's a party of three just made an enemy who can think long term. Not half bad.

  • @joshuawilson8804
    @joshuawilson8804 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think this shows how Vampires make great antagonists. They are not a threat to the Heroes necessarily, but they are a threat to everyone the Hero is trying to protect.

  • @littleeusbee
    @littleeusbee ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Hamboning will save your life one day!"
    - Rigby

  • @harrymusson7266
    @harrymusson7266 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Would love to hear your thoughts logan on how to incorporate things like vampirism and lycanthropy in the party

  • @chillithid8888
    @chillithid8888 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Daylight IS not sunlight, that's Dawn.

  • @DramakilzU
    @DramakilzU ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vampire’s may suck against a party who knows how to exploit its weaknesses in a one-on-one fight, but a smart vampire can easily beat the party through attrition, as they can gain a bunch of thralls, fight alongside them, and if the vampire gets low hp, they can easily run away to regenerate and then rejoin the fight. Can even inform thralls to do the same and have two groups that switch every few rounds so they all don’t get hit at once with sunlight aoe. Don’t underestimated smart vampires.

  • @iLLya_
    @iLLya_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thats a major W for the vampire UNTILL the party remembers they are not beholders and can just follow them outside

  • @Pattabazza
    @Pattabazza 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    fun fact, unless a spell explicitly states that the light it produces is sunlight, it isn't sunlight
    so the DAYLIGHT spell is actually useless against vampires

  • @SIZModig
    @SIZModig ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine actually giving your NPCs agency as a DM, what is this, immersion? Actual storytelling instead of pure combat??
    I love it.

  • @rexringtail471
    @rexringtail471 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite campaign ever I ran a Dhampir eloquence bard from Lvl 1 - 20 and instead of feats/ASIs at each level he gained more and more of the vampiric abilities until Tier 4 where he was a full monster PC bard/vampire. All the vampire abilities, all the bard abilities, cloak of invisibility, ring of telekinesis (that could cast the regular spell without limitations... so 5th level spell AT WILL) and a blood fury tattoo going into the final 8 sessions and he was the weakest member of the party and the DM still kept the game challenging as hell (half the party died in the last 8 sessions). Goated DM.

  • @edwardg8912
    @edwardg8912 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great example of how vampires can become an accumulating threat over the course of the game. Going to be harder to beat him with these thralls, which then exponentially grow into more thralls.

  • @RunningOnAutopilot
    @RunningOnAutopilot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:57
    It actually makes so much sense that instead if going through the extra effort of making a second floor for the inn that it would just go next to the bar instead afterall it's built on the road and has so much space to work with
    Edit: I see stairs connecting the bar and the inn so I think I misread the map

  • @ASquared544
    @ASquared544 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    FYI, Daylight doesn’t create Sunlight

  • @johnnylams3948
    @johnnylams3948 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video has less then ten minutes, but it teaches so much. This is what to be time efficient. Please keep it up

  • @remainprofane7732
    @remainprofane7732 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s honestly an interesting idea for a campaign, the players have guardianship over a large town or city and have to deal with a slowly growing vampire threat. The faster the players counter the vampire attacks, the less forces and resources they’ll have to command later. I’ve always wanted to run one of these campaigns where it’s a long struggle against a defined enemy type, I just worry it would get samey after a while

  • @1forge2rulethemall88
    @1forge2rulethemall88 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now imagine an entire party of paladins and clerics. Its stuff like that that just makes vampires nope out of a place and go enslave someone elses village.

  • @jonathanwells223
    @jonathanwells223 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Each and every full vampire is a legendary creature per the spell “Legend Lore” (from 3.5 at least). People keep forgetting this.

  • @edouardkb2064
    @edouardkb2064 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don't think Daylight doesn't actually create sunlight, weirdly, so it wouldn't work against the vamps. Spells have to explicitly state "sunlight", like Dawn or Sunbeam to work on vampys, unless homebrewed otherwise.

  • @clericofchaos1
    @clericofchaos1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, if ANY creature actually used tactics against the party, they’d never have a chance.

  • @Zappygunshot
    @Zappygunshot ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a thing I love about vampires though. The party might think they absolutely stomped this idiot, but secretly the vampire's like "I got what I came for, all the better if they underestimate me next time o,..,o"

  • @CaptainZlex
    @CaptainZlex ปีที่แล้ว

    "Vampires can't enter unless invited" is one of the stupidest weaknesses a creature has ever had.

  • @skittlesilly
    @skittlesilly ปีที่แล้ว

    ah, reminds me of the time my level 5 druid took out a full ass vampire on the first meeting, pretty much by himself. GM decided vampires were human enough for hold person, which gave me time to put a rudimentary stake in his heart and throw the blinds open

  • @bardicmage9292
    @bardicmage9292 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    These are my favourite type of your videos

  • @ElliotTPham
    @ElliotTPham ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes! I loved the mind flayer version of this you did, hope to see more of these, they're great.

  • @TheYouglup
    @TheYouglup ปีที่แล้ว

    I have zero idea why but this video just absolutely kills me, best belly laughs I’ve had in a long time

  • @generalalduin9548
    @generalalduin9548 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how his whole demonstation gets ruined by the party and dice rolls. That’s classic D&d

  • @bankruptedwizard1413
    @bankruptedwizard1413 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even when the vampire lost, he won.

  • @Ryan2K900
    @Ryan2K900 ปีที่แล้ว

    The wizard smiting the vampire with the cleric in the way sounds exactly how I play dnd 😂

  • @NoNo-bg8oc
    @NoNo-bg8oc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually this would be a sick encounter to set up an actual hard encounter later. This is all at level 15, so good on you.

  • @Nemo12417
    @Nemo12417 ปีที่แล้ว

    - in earlier editions, the vampire's Forbiddance weakness explicitly didn't apply to public places (like taverns) where you don't need an invitation to enter.
    - is Daylight sunlight or merely "like" sunlight? Earlier editions specified that it wasn't sunlight for the purpose of burning creatures that don't like sunlight?
    - the nastiest thing about vampires is their Legendary Action that lets them run without disengaging. Combine that with regeneration, and unless you can pin a vampire down, they have effectively infinite health.

  • @alfredchan4373
    @alfredchan4373 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @4:32 Claude Debussy. That's a B. And the stress is on the last syllable (de-byu-SEE).

  • @FirstLast-cg2nk
    @FirstLast-cg2nk ปีที่แล้ว

    Now, a smart vampire would have asked the innkeeper if there were any adventurers or clerics staying the night, confirmed their rooms, and then specifically avoided those rooms, instead making off with all the normies without incident and leaving the adventurers wondering where everybody went.

  • @stephenwood6663
    @stephenwood6663 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a thought: older vampires are frequently wealthy, and sometimes landowners to boot. What's to stop a vampire from owning an inn (even if they have someone else to run it)? You don't need an invitation to enter your own property, so there's nothing to stop you from snacking on the occasional traveller.

  • @porkyorcy1715
    @porkyorcy1715 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh my god i used to watch this channel in work all the time a couple years ago im so glad it's still going

  • @sanjuancb
    @sanjuancb ปีที่แล้ว

    More video like this! Really enjoyed breaking down the encounter.

  • @esbeng.s.a9761
    @esbeng.s.a9761 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That vampire got a second wife out of it. In my book that a win

  • @snock5487
    @snock5487 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's actually a great setup for a villain. He attacks but 'fails' so the groups think they have an advantage. They try to find him, prepare for it, and BOOM, he actually now has a crew, and they are in his lair

  • @flatrising9212
    @flatrising9212 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love these scenario vids, please do more of them!

  • @spoonyluv19
    @spoonyluv19 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd have the vampire come back and continue to harass the party over a series of nights with his thralls. Perhaps the inn keeper finds them and offers to thank them for driving off the menace by giving them a free night at her place. Only this time the other thralls steal the party's gear pre fight.

  • @SirDankleberry
    @SirDankleberry 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wait that vampires can't enter those bedrooms. He was invited into the inn but not into the rooms which were rented by individual patrons.

  • @jesternario
    @jesternario ปีที่แล้ว

    Others have already pointed this out, but the Daylight spell does not create sunlight, just magic light. Back in 2nd ed AD&D, it was just called continual light, which let people know that the spell was just an improved version of what is now the light cantrip.

  • @user-sd2ne4cl1w
    @user-sd2ne4cl1w ปีที่แล้ว

    i found that the best way to make vampires an acual threat to any party is to get rid of the water weakness and make it to an underwater encounter

  • @avakio19
    @avakio19 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In my experience the only way to make people fear vampires is to use the Vampire Spellcaster (CR 15) or homebrew other types of vampires (like vampire dragons or giants). Swap out a few spells and its things like Hold Person that will make players sweat. Plus, thematically, never hurts to give them other types of undead minions, since necromancy.

  • @alexanderlucard4810
    @alexanderlucard4810 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a really neat video! Any chance we could get more of this? As a player who has never GMed, its neat to see the set up for a combat encounter and a play by play of how it plays out.

  • @AndrewJohnson-oy8oj
    @AndrewJohnson-oy8oj ปีที่แล้ว

    The second I saw a new Runesmith monster tactics video pop up on my notifications, you can bet I jumped on that immediately!

  • @Giyuo
    @Giyuo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So vampires have Batman clause, got it. Also, people probably said this, but the Daylight spell ≠ Sunlight.

  • @ariadne7850
    @ariadne7850 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't want to be pedantic (I'm going to anyway), but the daylight spell does not state that it acts as sunlight, thus it wouldn't trigger the vampire's sunlight sensitivity. This issue came up in a campaign that will not be named (for fear of spoilers) and we all thought it was stupid. Now a spell such as the 6th level sunbeam spell specifically states in it's spell description that it counts as sunlight and thus it would affect a vampire.

  • @rorysimpson8716
    @rorysimpson8716 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a lot better than stopping people on the street and declaring yourself blood inspector.

  • @blindkaiser1
    @blindkaiser1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes. Please more of this. A: I love learning of different ways of tactically controlling monsters. B: Vampires suck

  • @danielvanpatten9526
    @danielvanpatten9526 ปีที่แล้ว

    The editing on this video made me cry laugh, please more of this.

  • @NastyMagic
    @NastyMagic ปีที่แล้ว

    Bongsmoke the wizard?
    ...
    I love him.
    His powerword was "chill"