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- The scene that unpacks pervasive toxic masculinity in five minutes - a fist fight between pacifist sea captain James McKay (Gregory Peck) and machismo-fuelled ranch foreman Steve Leech (Charlton Heston) in The Big Country (1958), directed by William Wyler. No copyright infringement intended.
One of the most professional fight scenes, ever. Peck and Heston, fought, a discreet fight, and kept it between them. They also came to some level of respect and understanding, that Gregory Peck's character (Jim McKay in the movie), was not a coward and was not going to be pushed around.
My favourite thing was the way the director ultimately used the scenery that really defined the film to literally illustrate the pointless futility of the two men fighting at all. By not showing close-up this intense and impassioned brawl, but instead showing these two tiny men slugging away at each other in a landscape that makes them utterly insignificant. It's just a fantastic piece of cinematography to convey to the audience the point you're trying to get across without having a character spell it out to you.
@@Blisterdude123
Exactly! None of their stupid problems add up to a hill o' beans.
It's not called THE BIG COUNTRY for nothing 🙂
Infinitely epic and iconic than any Marvel film.
Oh grow up, this is great without any comparison
@@ShadowSonic2well I enjoy the marvel films very much but his statement is still true
So true
Capeshit is for man babies
Atticus Finch versus Judah Ben Hur. Best fist-fight of the century.
Nice comment. Judah would have a hard time in a court room....and Atticus is no good in a chariot, so I guess both have job security.
One of the best and most memorable and influential movies in my life
🤼🏼♂️ • Two great actors. Two legends of Hollywood. Alas, there are no such actors now.
At the time, Heston wondered why William Wyler was filming the fight from so far away. The director believed that the futility of fighting, dwarfed by the landscape, was clearly shown to mean nothing is accomplished with violence.
Well one reason would have been to use stunt doubles, too.
_"nothing is accomplished with violence"_ That is the stupidest thought imaginable.
Most of history is made up of the violent confrontations of people and peoples. Violence is how they settle their differences.
Now - once they have respect for each other - then the violence isn't needed - but - until then - when one person thinks they can use violence to enforce their will on another - the only suitable response IS violence supplied in turn.
One of the great movies. I watch it every time I can on regular tv.
It was on TCM a while back.
Best Western, for sure, which is saying a lot because I have a lot of favorite Westerns.
I was born in 2003 and as a kid these were two of my favorite actors, I remember not knowing which one to cheer for so when Noone really won I was like "perfect" also I love the respect in the fight
Gregory Peck also died in 2003.
Everything Charlton Heston does is epic. Even the way he puts on pants. 1:15 LOL
Very true! No one can take his vacated place in Hollywood. Ever!
Lol.....he did put those pants on like a boss.....😅
Zephyr. The way Heston put on his pants was epic indeed
Best part are the two final comments by both; one brilliant in its cynicism, the other in its depth!
Things to do in a lifetime.......live a great life....find love...watch a Tom And Jerry......and watch The Big Country at least once every 3 years.
I Love this comment
I saw this at the local drive-in around 1959. I was impressed by the music.
After many years, its hard to believe that any man can stand up to a few punches. Except for the professionals.
Saw the movie many times. The fight reminds me of my own experience growing up. So many times you duked it out with someone, only to some how become friends. Over there years I have asked around and found out that I'm not the only one to go through this. As for their fight. This is how you fought even when I was a boy. Heads up, face to face, no feet or teeth.
Magnificent movie whose greatness continues to grow.
Exactly ❤
2 of my favourites in 1 film wow
Favorite Western
Essas cenas de luta foram incríveis. Feitas por dois gigantes do cinema. Muito famosos. Quando da homenagem ao Gregory Peck, em 1989, Charton Heston estava na plateia e disse algumas palavras elogiosas ao amigo. Peck fez aceno com as mãos. Heston morreu , doente pelo Alzheimer , e Pech morreu de velhice, com falência múltipla dos órgãos. Segundo seusm parentes, morreu suavemente.
*Forget the fight scene. The movie itself was a classic western with an all-star cast!*
I had a fist fight like this after Hurricane Katrina in Ville Plat for the entertainment of the local Cajuns; they wanted to see which side was the best bank...
Really Frostbite? "Pervasive toxic masculinity"? Everything about this scene is total greatness. Hey, Let's go ahead and see another superhero movie! The acting, the cinematography the directing and, the music....everything about this is as good as it gets in cinema. Take a look at the Blanco Canyon sequence, that should get you really riled up with "toxic masculinity". SMH
I mean...I don't know what you think is wrong about that point, the whole film is about Peck constantly having put up with people questioning his integrity, courage, and masculinity because he doesn't play the same false-bravado game the rough and ready cowboys do. Peck's character time and again is doubted, questioned, and insulted, because his stoicism and personal code don't 'fit' the image the people around him interpret as being 'masculine'. And you see, repeatedly, the dangerous, violent, and hollow results of that in his fiance, her father, and the other clan of ranchers and their futile feud.
"Pervavisive toxic masculinity", that's ideological baby talk and non-thought, a slogan.
@@michaelm6948 But it actually means something here. The movie is about how that attitude really just leads to death and unnecessary violence as opposed to genuine masculinity like Gregory Pecks'.
@@ShadowSonic2 It's defiled human nature, as is the attitude of Peck's fiance, who sees her relationship in terms of social approval. Her potential husband serves as a conduit for her power in the community. Toxic feminity? No, those are idiot ideological terms, bandied about for presentist agendas. Depraved human nature is on display throughout the film.
I like that there was no Hollywood music to build drama, just the sounds of crickets.
There's actors and then there's movie stars. Mr. Peck and Heston were Red Carpet Grand Premier Movie Stars.
Nowadays, there'd be an intervention, a psychologist, and a social worker.
I always wondered that after the movie (story) ends, would McKay have hired Leech to run his new ranch?? Or at least tried to....been interesting to find out
Une scène baroque : un combat à mains nus dans un espace vide qui inspirera Sergio Leone.
Heston was most under utilized action hero
All teeth still straight, little damage to the faces, little blood, nice realistic fight that lasts half the night. A normal person would have their nose broken, teeth knocked out, ribs broken, drool coming out of their mouth, eyes slammed shut. A normal person would have to eat through a straw for 6 months after such a beating, or be in a coma or dead.
Movies are totally known for their unparalleled realism and accuracy. It's practically a documentary, right?
Go watch some bare knuckle fights
Great movie. McKay was a sea captain. You can't be a wimp to lead men on the ocean. So, it's no surprise that, even though he wasn't as muscular, he was just as tough as Leech.
Q bellos tipos!!❤
Real Stars!!!!
Back in the day That's how you settle things.
Exactly. You'd fight it out with fists. When it was over it was over
great actors and very strong and manly. But it's funny how none of the characters think to knee the rival in the nuts. At the time that was considered in bad taste. 😏
They are having a manly contest of strength. Hitting below the belt would only prove you are weaker and therefor you would lose.
Not that kind of fight
And cheating which, of course, people have no problem with nowadays.
It is ok to knee someone in the nads if you are in a fight due to an unprovoked attack, which is the only reason to get into a fight anyway.
You fight to win, not for the gentleman of the year tittle@@clintonleonard5187
dead and gone ..were once no more
It definitely was a clash between Hollywood stars in the same movie it was a big mistake from film director as they would have definitely disliked each other other
How did they see each other in the dark?
Two Icons ...
Magnificent
Dois selvagens brigões!
Charlton Heston look like Arnold Zchwachnegeor.
Find it rather strange when McKay asks Leech 'what did we prove?' McKay was the one who sought out Leech to start the fight. Seems like it should be the other way around.
I had Peck winning on a points decision.
You're lost again?
Are "We" toxic for showing this? Or Toxic for watching it?
Neither.
Agreed.
What are you talking about?
@@clintonleonard5187 In "Frostbite's" description of the video: See above.
It's a small poke at his/her 2022 evaluation of a 1958 film. Wokeism not even being a consideration back then.
@@mikejohnson9118 Are you going to whine "Woke" anytime you hear anyone with an attitude beyond the 1950s?
The whole point of this was McKay repeatedly refusing to debase himself with Wild West BS because he was already certain of his masculinity and didn't need to prove it to anyone. Even now his motives for this was to get Leech to see that it was really pointless.
Didn’t know Brokeback Mountain was a remake.
=5+.
MEN.
This ridiculously homoerotic….
Yep super homoerotic. Rather than ridiculously so, it's blatantly and amusingly and intelligently homoerotic.
@@thomasosullivan2285 Heston being in his tight longjohns as he got out of bed added to that
Gregory Peck amooooooo
"You take a hell of a long time to say goodbye". One of the greatest lines ever.
two powerhouse actors....don't get any better than these two in this movie
"Now tell me Leech, what did we prove?"
They proved a hell of a lot.
"All I can say, McKay, is you take a hell of a long time to say goodbye!"
"Huh?"
They beat the hatred out of each other. Sad but true. IMO
Greg didn't hate anyone. Not at the beginning and not at the end. He was better than that.
Heston is hard as a rock! It's a draw! Neither win. A Man's fight!
No. Greg's the clear winner. You're expecting Chuck to dust him in thirty seconds but instead he hangs in with him and goes mano-a-mano for what seems like hours. Finally Chuck taps out and then Greg pisses all over his macho bullshit with one simple line.
Peck on a narrow points decision
@@cheaplaffsarefree Heston doesn't tap out - they mutually agree that they've had enough. Peck isn't the clear winner - the fight drags out interminably because it is so even. Peck gets the last punch in, but collapses with exhaustion while throwing it.
Gregory Peck was a brilliant actor
He out did the other guy here!
They dont make actors like these guys anymore and movie too
Fantastic actors. Multi talented!
Love the crickets! Gotta admit it, I kinda was rooting for Steve on this one. Actually, when Jim says "what did we prove?" at the end, I think they both made their points pretty well. And they both ended up respecting each other more in the end.
Peck and Heston 2 of the finest actor's in Hollywood.
Captain Ahab and Taylor from Planet of The Apes!! Classic
0:32 Charlton Heston's body is that of a tank. So ripped , so muscled !!
Heston no esta tan musculoso como en Ben Hur
In Ben Hur Charlton has a perfect body
CHARLY HAD A GREAT BODY.
SO DID GREG
Yes especially the chest ! So huge !! The best male physique in Hollywood that era.
Why do you confuse toxic masculinity with masculinity?
Everything about this movie is just magnificent
أصبح جريجوري بيك يشبه لدين مارتن من اثر الضرب
2:14 That groan. Sounds more like the discomfort of getting out a chair. 😂
The really kicked each other asses.
Stupid! Like he said, what did it prove,?!!
I hate long goodbyes
This is so epic. I never miss this movie when it's shown
I actually thought they proved a lot.
What?
@@msudawg685 Peck proved that he was not a coward. And Heston gained respect and even admiration for him. It’s also a very important scene for the audience.
@@andreawilkerson2006 Peck was never a coward to begin with and had nothing really to prove. His woman was a selfish brat and in the end of the film it was explained to her by her friend that it was stupid of her to make him feel like a coward because he didnt want to show off whether it be riding a horse or fighting a man. The only reason to ever be in a fight is if you are attacked physically.
@@msudawg685 yes we all know that. However how would you feel as an audience member if he’d never fought Heston?
@@msudawg685 all of what you are saying is true, but imagine the movie without the fight scene. It’s story telling at its finest. Didn’t you enjoy seeing him rough up Heston? Of course it proved something, not only to us but to Heston. And yes Pat is a spoiled little girl who idolizes her father. She actually belonged with Heston but was too foolish to realize it. And Heston saw her for what she really was, a shallow vane creature. I love this film, one of my favorites and the music is stellar. I personally like it more than the score of The Magnificent Seven. I don’t know why it hasn’t endured as well. And of course the pivotal character is Burl Ives, one of the most charismatic actors to ever grace the silver screen.
チャールトン・ヘストンと殴り合う場面、お互いへとへとになってやめるのだが「これが私たちの何を証明した」と言い残して去るグレゴリー・ペック。暴力では何も解決しないと言いたいのでしょう。背景の広大な西部が印象的です。物静かだがいざとなれば男らしい男なのです。
Old school MMA right there!
Now,it would be George Clooney and Tom Hanks arguing over pro nouns and who hates Trump the most😫😱
Jim McKay a pacifist?? You didn't really pay attention to the rest of the movie did you.
This one went on a bit too long.
Heston was mad at Peck, because Peck got the lead role in the film.
That’s not what Heston said later. At the time this film was made, Heston’s career was still developing, whereas Gregory Peck was a long-established star who was also co-producer on the film. Heston took the part because he wanted to work with William Wyler. He was fully aware that his was a lesser part, but he later said that he was very glad that he had taken it. It definitely was a plus for his career. He had the greatest respect for Greg Peck.
@@danstracner9053 OK, you might be right. But they did get into a big fist fight where nobody won
The audience won. It was brilliantly shot by Wyler. Heston later said that he couldn’t figure out what Wyler was doing with the camera up on a high ridge so far away. Beautiful film-making.
@danstracner9053 The opening with the stagecoach is one of the best openings I've seen in a movie, other than High Plains Drifter
No,he was mad as Peck got his girl in the beginning in the film.