Oh, Matt is exactly that frenetic hyperventilating self, this guy is so far down the rabbit hole paranoia if ever there’s one. Needs to see a psychiatrist with mental
Yes, there is quite a difference in the way of speaking between the 2 Americans and the 2 Chinese. But this is not BS (look at the titles of their books), but quite exactly and well showing the conflict between US and China (if both Chinese would be replaced by Americans having the subject of social interaction (Keyu) and economy (David) and both Chinese would represent the subject of warfare (Andrew) and China's stance on Ukraine (Matt) I would guess your wording being an American would simply reverse to "those 2 Chinses guys just BS". And looking at this conflict from the outside I am not able to decide, is the Chinese thinking correct or is the US thinking correct (in my view on this world I am coming to mixed results, on certain cases favorizing US, but on other cases favorizing China's view). Is the diplomatic and military terror China applies on Taiwan just a peaceful sign of China wanting to have the full re-unification (oppressing CCP rulership on Taiwan by peace) or are these as US understands early signs China will make war against Taiwan, China will revolt against the global order imposed by US? (on this item I side with US, yet I support China as no progress on Taiwan to proceed on separation is allowed/supported) Is China's insistance on the history based 9-dash line for some border disputes a clear revolt against the US imposed order that after WWII only rational reasons should be used to clarify border disputes? (on this item I also side with US, because history based reason could lead to re-emergence of colonial system, many European countries could again claim rulership as exercised in history) Do the NATO activies in Ukraine match to the US imposed global order? (on this item I side with China, NATO activies in Ukraine are mainly to get huge advantages for NATO and weaken/harm Russia strongly, which did not only risk the ultimate goal PEACE, but acutally resulted in a war on which I see 80% of the responsibility lying in US based on their stubborn insistance to get Ukraine/Georgia into NATO which is for me a clear violation of the global order as US has imposed as part of it a thinking that US fixed for themselves in the Monroe doctrine -no adversary military on US border!) Do US imposed tariffs match the global order of fair free trade? (for me clearly no and therefore I side on this item with China, a major goal of the tariffs is AMERICA FIRST, the target to contain China, to stay economically No.1. Yet in contrary to some Chinese understanding the danger of losing economic No.1 position is THE REASON I think it is only a major part of such US actions, the other major parts are the conflicts around Taiwan/Ukraine and other conflicting items all getting intermingled.)
Kurt Campbell said chinese student should study humianity and social science only. Tom Cotton said Chinese student should study Sharkspear only. I have to say those americans lost their minds, became dilusional.
In my understanding US has developed over long time something that I would call "a responsibility for a global order based on its power". China, thinking it is as powerful as US, but not entitled to do same as US as well as how Americans discuss about global order/how to use their power for this may get resolved by Chinese thinking American are delusional. Yet in my thinking the situation is vice versa. China is economically already a giant and will grow up militarily also, yet China thinking in the sense of "global responsibility" is a novum for China (China never had to do it in its long history, but China only knows it has to serve its own interest. Reckonising that size/power means also global responsibility is a point where China lacks a lot of the development US has done/gone since the French Revolution fixed LIBERTÉ, EGALITÉ and FRATERNITÉ as key cornerstones.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 By "responsibility for a global order based on its power", did you mean the responsibility to launch countless wars and killing millions of innocent peole all over the world and responsibility supporting genocidal government?
@@mikef6399 NO, by "responsibility for a global order based on its power" I do mean a kind of global police that is arranging/acting all over the world to i) let the world function and ii) get the world more peaceful ideally by deterring the start of wars but also by being able in case a conflict is already ongoing to arrange a decisive decision in favor of the global order (one can claim this may be a dream wish, yet in my view I can see quite some elements for this dream wish present in US actions/decisions in the last 80/90 years). The US could have easily decided on WWII, OK let the Germans and the Japanese go ahead, we are keeping out and do just enjoy life. You may imagine how our world today would look like if US would have taken such decision. US decided to engage and stop/defeat these 2 powers. In next step they had to decide "What to do with defeated Japan and Germany", after WWI the winners UK and France put high yearly reparations payments on Germany and in addition military recovery was hindered greatly. In my view THE REASONS that Germany elected an extreme character like Hitler by 1932 which ultimately led to WWII, because after his first successes Hitler saw no reason why not to continue his until 1941 for Germany extremely successful way. And here I see one great point of "responsibility" because the US decided to transform both countries into democracies and even kick-started an economic recovery which by the internal strength/power of the Japanese as well as the German society/mentality led to what we can see today, both Japan and Germany in size and population rather small, but well known globally by their products, still occupy position 3 and 4 in global GDP ranking and both are extremely peaceful countries which had a positive influence on all their neighbours. Another key point of "responsibility" was the US will to crash down the concept of colonies which brought many many people on this globe the freedom to determine their own way. What you are speaking about are rather the negative effects, because beside of arranging and maintaining the global order, US got so impressed by its power that it misused it and nobody had the power to stop US from doing this. As you claim such misuse caused death and pain to many millions. Yet about 1 billion Western people do enjoy a rather confortable and safe life and if I could continue my dream expresse above I would be quite happy for China to become similar powerful as US, as this will add a completely different view of 1.400 million peopley with a many century long history which could result in one hindering the other power to do bad things. A global hegemon is basically a DICTATOR (exactly what US does hate), yet US sticks to be a single hegemon/dictator and I am not sure China is ready/willing to become a 2nd global hegemon in long term (for me it looks China is emphasizing only on its own matters, but rejects to bear global responsibility completely). By the way by counting all the people killed by USSR, all the people killed by China mainly in China's cultural revolution and all the people killed by USA, I am not sure which order would result (my gut feeling would say USSR is highest and China may be lowest, yet still in the millions and the way of counting is especially on US quite complex), but I may be wrong on USSR because its most terrible actions happened before WWII.
What is your criteria for "are successful in improving there country economy"? And more important than a look onto the past, which actual activities do you see to continue such "success" into the future? On Russia the economic future is very difficult to predict, yet being cut off from the West will have negative consequences. In my impression also Russian mentality has not really followed developments in the West like for example same gender marriage resulting in a greater cultural difference Russia - Europe/the West than in the past. Also on China I think recent US actions like blocking the access to the most advanced Semiconductors will show their full negative consequences only in future and Europe is at this moment undecided if to follow US in fully blocking China (all media/politicians are working hard to built up the negative mood for this) or if to continue current level with China. Yes, in the past China advanced extremely, yet THE PREREQUISITE for this was US positive mood and this has changed in the last 10 years first to negative and if I do understand recent actions even to a certain level of hostility and this will give China larger headaches, yet again the end result is not clear yet as China progresses to issue many new well trained students and in how far these will be able to catch up to the West under the condition of US being hostile on China needs to be seen. In addition Asia is a natural market for Chinese products as long as China does not make too much enemies with for example the 9-dash line causing countries like India, Vietnam, Philippines, Thailand rather to side with the West against China.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 If you only have a second grader's intelligence, you will be able to acknowledge China's success in the last 4 decades to advance the country's economy and more importantly improve its citizen's living standard. The US political elites certain sees that. That's exactly the reason why they are coming out with all kinds of shady policies trying to slow or put China down. Guess what, they won't be successful because China has competent leaders not criminals or old guys with dementia running the country in the US.
In Russia, GDP has been stagnating for 11 years and industrial production for 17 years. Of course, this is the main reason for the state’s internal and external aggression. The main hoax that the Chinese are trying to preach is the uniqueness, peculiarity of their nation and misunderstandings by Europeans. In fact, all economists and historians see is an attempt by the aristocracy to maintain its power and privileges (state rents, castles and mistresses) through military rhetoric. It happens that this leads to wars and the current war is just one example.
On the contrary, the two Chinese guests are lying through their teeth. The non-Asian panelists enjoying free speech and speak their minds. t The Chinese panelists have more difficult jobs They cannot low straight out since the audience would not believe them but they cannot tell the truth either because they still want to go back to China and operate there.
It doesn't seem like a misunderstanding that China is building up military capabilities, conventional and nuclear, specifically aimed at defeating the United States.
@@zhaojin-v7zHe joined the Marines as a military intelligence officer and then was Asia director in the National Security Council. At some time he was a journalist in China for seven years. No wonder China kicked out most American journalists, this guy was clearly a US intelligence asset.
@@zhaojin-v7z at least he went to see for himself and i supposed he liked it theres many places to explore in china , dont be scared just try it, it might change your mind
He is paid for it.....real hopeless and talking nonsense. It is this type of so called experts that causing all the tensions. No wonder he is kicked out of China.
@@tomchen513 he is definitely despicable, but a lot more dangerous than Gordon Chang. He is systematically lying to US politicians and public about China and is more presentable than Gordon Chang
This panel should start talking about how to settle your 35 trillion debt, infrastructure repairs, inflation, improving citizens lives, plants lacking skilled workers due to place flooded with wall street speculators, education system, health care prices, potential funding required for the coming climate disasters, climate change tariffs on over capacity to buy more expensive local instead of increasing your own productivity ETC..... also stop instigating wars, ongoing wars. While 1 finger pointing at others, 3 are pointing at yourself !!!!!
The US has been in the middle east for the last 70 years and has not solved the Palestinian problem. Now the US is blaming TIKTOK on the Israeli-Palestinian problem. This view is ridiculous.
people and congress were talking about banning tik tok in 2020,2021, 2022 and 2023. there are many valid arguments for banning it apart from palestine.
The US itself is ridiculous (and a dangerous, warmongering, despotic power). Pity they can't focus on fixing their own dungheap before meddling in everyone else's business.
I wish Kishore Mahbubani was in this panel. So tell these two Americans their reality. Every American question is answered with facts. Only Kishore Mahbubani sir tells Americans their real times. Next time when discussing the subject of China and America. So Kishore said to Mahbubani Sir. These two Americans will know.😅😅😅
@@donaldjoseph3903 Kishore has more diplomatic experience than any of these monkeys. if he has no credibility, what are these guy which are only deputies with a far shorter career in governance?
@@donaldjoseph3903 When Kishore Mahbubani starts speaking. So in front of them western analyst journalists behave like American expert pet dog. Whenever these so called western experts start speaking in front of Kishore Mehboobani, Kishore Mehboobani would rebuke them with full facts. Because they have answers to all their questions.😊😂😂 Dumb
In the heads of the Americans:- "As Americans, we could do that and that. But it does not mean Americans would allow other nations such as China to do the same. " They said Chinese are rapidly building up their military power.....Obviously he has not spent time to check the total military spending of the two countries in the last ten years. A nation with 300 bases surrounding another nation expects that nation to refrain from military spending. No wonder that there are conflicts.
Well when the head of CGTN preached in WEF that China has been the sole buyer of Iran's oil since 2018 and a third of oil is also outsourced from Iraq, then casually continued with "out tech is so amazing to help green energy'😊 Thank God Uncle Sam ain't that stupid esp listening to this Prof "Japan's submitted". Abs ridiculous at that level of degree
don't know if Matt Pottinger really believes in what he is saying. There is a market for that type of tough talk in america. He gets invited to talk shows like this, think tanks and make a pretty good living.
america want to spread their military to every conner of the earth map, which is the ugliest thing to imagine, every misinformation to divide every regions com from them, europe, middle east, my region south china sea..., china isnt good, but it hasn't force any small country to be help by its military like america
It doesn't matter it is China, Japan or India. The US will not allow any country to overtake it's no.1 position in the world. Asia is a peaceful region since Vietnam war. Don't let the US starts a war here. I hope all the Asian countries understand that.
Not sure where you've been but the US is not the number one position in the world. Ẁe fall around number 5 and with these idiots trying to take over with Trump again will be pushing us further down that pole. Count on it. I know it's hard for some to face but by far we aren't the best country in the world.
ww2 japan was once supported by the US by its trade policy and own interest in Asia, until the cut off of petrol supply and the attack of pearl harbor.
You are so right china is expanding both economically and military Economically way more the US, that's why america doesn't like it,but really china and russia are very good diplomatically ,something the US should try Another america spends alot more militarily but instead for the nation it's for the shareholders
In 2019 alone, Nato dropped 26,000 bombs on 7 Sovereign countries without UN sanctions, killing thousands and making millions of refugees. Was this done to further Democracy or human rights?
The real reasons for this unimaginable cruelty is to replace the existing leader with a corrupt puppet that can be easily bribed to sign very favourable trade agreements that provides huge benefits to their corporations to engage in ruthless exploitation n plunder of their resources
Who noticed that Keyu refilled some water for the moderater first and then herself...that's real Chinese etiquette. By the way, Keyu and David obviously made more sense than the other two American panelists, well done!
B.s. bet u don't say the same about Russia being surrounded. China is the enemy. China is laying claim to the entire South china sea, and that's just the beginning. They intend to control the waterways, and assuming u live in the u.s., u can kiss ur lifestyle goodbye, prepare for the stone age. Or u might be part of the 50cent army
Matt is a disappointing Chinese hawk. Kept quoting Congress as his basis when the American congress are the root cause of the world's problem. He can run for congress. To even quote Pompey shows his competency when the world know Pompey is a liar and he openly admited.
Pottinger is a CCP hawk not a China hawk. Most of us like China and the Chinese people, but rightly see the CCP as a threat to the world as well as a catastrophically oppressive and incompetent force against the Chinese people, themselves. It is as Feudal as the Manchu Q'ing and all other empirical dynasties that ever existed. It became what it rebelled against, but with none of the restraints and with no moral compass.
@@olderchin1558 lol! Potinger is a pain in the butt for the CIA. I hardly doubt they cut him a paycheck. If the CIA had the budget to pay everyone who is accused of being part of the CIA (I've been accused many times and WISH I got paid!) they would have a bigger budget than the US military.
The actual undisputable warmongers in the room have displayed total ignorance about whether an observation is a cause or an effect. In fact the sheer lack of common sense by the Western "China experts" about China is worrisome.
there are two people who do not talk about what's wrong in their own country, what needs to be improved, they only talk about more war, repeat propaganda words.
@@LaBambaCL I do not think the outcome of the US election will have a huge influence (but one never knows seeing the erratic characteristic of Trump -suddenly coming up with completely new idea). My critic on your comment was related to the fact, that you do request/claim something that is out of the scope of this video. Another example to make my point clear: If the subject is "US Dollar" and you would claim "but why is the Euro not talked about" your comment is simply nonsense (does not help, give any useful information), because it should be talked about the USD and not about Euro.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 i was making a direct reply to your comment. perhaps you are not listening to all the speakers of this forum. i believe my orig post stands...two talk war, two talk relationship. two sections of the talk are titled xi, trmup/biden.
@@LaBambaCL Sorry, may be some misunderstanding in my side, yet I totally fail to catch what you want to say. Going back to the original, I think to comment "there are two people who do not talk about what's wrong in their own country, what needs to be improved, ..." (despite not saying I understood you mean the 2 Americans) Is nonsense, because the subject of discussion is conflict US-China, how it started, why and to look into several aspects more in detail and everybody brought his or his organisations points/thinkings and there were several details given that I was not aware of despite trying to understand better what is ongoing between US and China since months. The lady did bring a lot of good general trends/info on mood existing in China by well understandable concrete examples and her goal was obviously to soften the hostility that got built up by advocating for speak to each other quite often to understand each other better. The first American gave several examples of how US does see and interpret the situation in a neutral yet clear language addressing the point. The 3rd man like the lady did bring up many good arguments and facts to soften the conflict. The 2nd American did frontally attack China on several points suppressing the fact that US has already done same. To claim on China a massive military buld up while US has already built up a probably more massive military is nonsense, the same the claim on Russia with Cina setting up some space capability to destroy satellites -I am sure US has or will set-up much stronger capability- and one of his main attack points was Xi Jinping to Putin relationship and its effect on Ukraine. While the 3rd man stressed in his softening goal the fact that China supports Ukraine by being its largest trading partner, the 2nd American stressed China support to Russia by many materials does enable Putin continue to fight in Ukraine. He also stressed the fact that except of 1 American ALL US journalists have been expelled by China. My personal ranking on most neutral is exactly as they were sitting left to the right, with the most right (2nd American) being a quite distant class by its own. I think also your "revised" comment as "two talk war, two talk relationship" is not really matching what they said, as for me none was speaking about war, but two talked with target to reduce the hostility, the first American talked about WHY the situation is as hostile as it is and the second American claimed strongly on China what is not correct out of a very weird perspective which becomes nonsense/a way to push America First when US has or is doing the same or is targeting something bad as I personally do assume is the case on Ukraine (this war is absolute nonsense, for nothing, but pushed by US in its NATO eastward expansion and as plans did not work out as planned US is now putting pressure on China).
Anywhere in the world, if there is a border dispute, it is usually the result of a line drawn by an Englishman; if it is an internal dispute, it is usually the US fueling it. Difference in implementation of divide and conquer strategy. The 'Arsenal of Democracy' produces 40 percent of the world's weapons. It is a very profitable business model in which other countries buy these weapons to fight each other. The key is maximizing profits without shedding US blood by inducing conflicts between and within countries outside the USA. One client is eager to spend AUD 368 billion to buy a few high-quality used nuclear-powered submarines. This business model's critical components are NATO, QUAD, ANZUS, Five Eyes, AUKUS, and MCC (Mutual Cross-Service Agreement). The US makes the rules, and the US and their friends do not have to follow them. Since WWII, the United States has started 201 wars, overthrew 36 foreign leaders, killed or attempted to kill 50, dropped bombs in 30 countries, and interfered in 86 foreign elections. To make the world safe for democracy, the US has caused the deaths of tens of millions of people in its conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. The CIA was involved in covert operations that resulted in mass killings of communists in over 22 countries, 500,000 to 2,000,000 Indonesian civilians disappeared in 1965-1966.
True, in some part of the Europe colonized world arbitrary border drawing caused later stress. This border drawing is however simply a fact of the past that can and should be criticized, but that cannot be corrected any more by Europeans/the West. And how the border disputes got and get resolved later is in most cases outside of the influence of the West, but rather a matter of 2 countries who had/have to decide if they solve such clearly by Europeans caused conflicts in a peaceful way by discussion and mutual agreement or by war. I fully agree, too much money is going into military especially in the US (this does motivate US somehow to use such expensive military for their advantage and it slows down the extremely important and mandatory effort in CO2 reduction), yet for general global peace it is nice to have some power that is such powerful that it can be considered to be the global police. It is not clear to me how China does like to position into this global order while it is growing up now militarily or in how far China wants to be a second global hegemon, this means reform the US created global order radically. The US made rules of global order are largely followed by all countries, yet you have specific conflicts where US fails to act as global police and rather targets its own advantage and countries may reject this global order as US takes the right to adjust/change rules again rather to its advantage or they would do better on different rules. Can you please provide the source where most of the global conflicts are listed (I think 248) and judged for the initiator. I understand this list was prepared by China and I would like to check if my knowledge base does match to China judgement. I have read some summary here english.news.cn/20220902/735703a45cfd458791179d4c0a80e727/c.html and my general impression, China's summary has a strong bias to select the words/write the sentences so, that US can be claimed, but several key facts are not mentioned (in general it is just acceptable to me). It is well known that US did and is doing bad things, yet the scale may be exaggerated and in my impression US improves/reduced their activity in recent times quite a lot. I was watching how US would position on Israel counter-attack on Iran, after Iran had retailiated on Israel with some 300 attack objects and I was strongly surprised to see just an radar got destroyed in Iran which is for me clearly the result of strong pressure of US on Israel. Many bad things/major wars were related to US will to contain communism (and were responses to communist war or rebel revolution), while the middle east looks to be dominated by securing oil supply and safety of Israel. Communism is mostly gone, Europe is peaceful (I consider Ukraine to be an exception), South America is also getting more and more stable, Asia is quite stable and Africa is at this moment not important enough to engage. So the key potential conflict everybody is looking on, yet nobody is really understanding is China - US. On Yugoslavia I have quite some details and the killing that was ongoing there needed to be stopped in some way which I would consider as a police action to re-establish global order, yet it was clearly against the interest of Russia who had a close realationship with the Serbs and in this sense to the advantage of NATO. By its engagement in Yugoslavia however, NATO lost its right to call itself peaceful (an organisation doing an active military attack cannot be considered as peaceful, independent of the goals it intended to achieve).
China military built up is mainly for defensive purposes as US military bases ,from Pine Gap and Darwin in Australia to the Phillipines.Jeju island in S.Korea and Okinawa in Japan form a noose around China . 80 % of China trades passes through the South China Sea and the straits of Malacca. An ambush on this region will strangle the Chinese economy. One wonder why the US which is thousand of miles away from this region should shamefully dominate this region by coercing countries to stand by their sides. America is notoriously famous for saying either “ you are with us or against us.” If this is not bullying, I do not know what it is.
@@slly4276 "China military built up is mainly for defensive purposes ..." ==> NATO does claim the same, but looking into past attack onto Yugoslavia and especially actual Ukraine and what is ongoing there why, you can come also to the opposite conclusion (at least Russia does). Most defense military is also usable for attack. Anyhow, if US has built up a super military in my thinking US has no right on China to claim built-up of military. "One wonder why the US which is thousand of miles away from this region ..." ==> US is the global hegemon and it has allies in this region it is willing to support. Natural US allies (same language) are Australia and New Zealand. Important allies are Japan, the much smaller South-Korea and the most difficult and smallest Taiwan. In my understanding also Philippines and Thailand have some kind of closer relationship with US and US currently checks with India if there is interest. As global hegemon US has an essential interest to avoid any kind of sea traffic block and this is especially true for the South China Sea (same goal as China). In contrast to the dead USSR US had never a need to coerce countries to be an ally. The key reason for this is, the ally status does provide quite a bunch of advantages like US good mood, being protected by the US maintained global order but also by US directly to the extent agreed or US considers necessary to maintain the global order. Required to carry the responsibilty (and cost) to maintain the global order (I see no other country able and willing to carry this responsibility) US needs to act on certain behaviour in a determined way. However, I agree on certain activities it is difficult to see the global order interest, but an US interest is clear (sometimes US is misusing its global hegemon status/power for its personal advantage). If China has found a way to act friendly on countries rebelling/fighting against China maintaining the global order I would be happy if China would apply such way to teach the West. In my understanding the global standard is some kind of police to keep the system running, to maintain the order and this police is required occasionally to apply force IF .... -if you continue to act to disturb the order, yet the applied force should be reasonable and not excessive.
Keyu stated that young Chinese are highly influenced by Western culture. That’s true. If you visit Chinese cities, Starbucks and McDonalds are flourishing, Shanghai Disney is packed with people. But these young people are not naturally will be friends of US politicians as one panelist expected. Many of these young people do not like CPC, which is natural when there are so many restrictions. But, when they break out of the Great FIre Wall and find out so many misinterpretations and distortions of the facts on China, most of them gradually become strong supporters of CPC. Irony…
tiktok users trend younger and guess who are the ones protesting against israel in American cities? THE YOUNG PEOPLE. The guy that pointed out Tiktok lost all credibility with that one. The younger demographic in America are definitely way more pro Palestine and Tiktok users being Genz/younger reflects that sentiment.
Strange that Taiwan is seen as a separate entity. That’s a dangerous perspective.! Taiwan is not independent. it is part of the Republic of China, who still exist because of the Reminence of 1949 retreat of the nationalist army Taiwan. The Republic of China still constitutionally an entity of all of China Mongolia in Taiwan. So Taiwan doesn’t exist as an island. so conceptually it is wrong to see Taiwan in itself. The problem is the democratic progressive party, advocating for secession of Taiwan from the Republic of China, AKA china that the peoples Republic of China installing control. No country in the world will allow any part of his territory, declaring independence and leaving its sovereignty. Taiwan is not an exception. The Americans and the west, politically purposefully create this narrative on democracy and right of determination of Taiwan. Taiwan has been recognized where is international papers and documents in the UN as part of China. The many communiques between the US and China from 1971 has similar recognition of the one China policy with Taiwan is part of. Sort of talk of defending Taiwan is purely political, it’s not only willfully trying to create tension and reason for war. If war happens. Due to such narratives, then it is highly unfortunate. And the US will have to pay a significant and painful price. China has already calculated that the US and her allies will be the target for war, and not war will not be in Taiwan but the Pacific Ocean… all US bases will be targeted. So please stop playing with fire aka Taiwan!
Having said so openly, would Matt and Eric take full responsibilities when US China war break out over Taiwan? How would they try to resolve or prevent such a war? Or they will want to continue egging for war?
Eric, the protests in the US against Israeli attack on Gaza got the protesters arrested and brutally taken down in the universities! It happens in the US too!
Andrew and Matt have no idea what they were talking about. They don't have any concrete statistics. What their opinions are based on assumptions and ideologies instead of facts. They performed so badly like naive high school students. Is that the intelligence level they can achieve?
“Don’t worry what China is doing wrong, but worry about what it is doing right.” Western pundits obsess over the same recycled bad news and then one day wake up to find their industries methodically taken over one by one.
Besides the Chinese, they underestimated the Vietnamese, the Afghans n now the Russians. The reason why the US keep repeating the same mistakes is bcos they profit from their endless wars as whether they win or lose, those elites who have huge investments in the MIC are laughing their way to the bank. As usual it's their brainwashed public who have to bear the brunt of the burden
Yes, from a Chinese perspective absolutely correct/possible to state. Yet from a Western perspective the point is to avoid WWIII to start at all and sorry to say, but Xi Jinping has given not a clear proof (this would be the start of WWIII), yet such strong signals that US has decided to change its long term positive mood on China within rather short time by 180° first to negative and I think now even to a certain level of hositility. From my side I cannot understand why Xi Jinping dared to do this (may be mutual misunderstanding, yet he got clear US warning and despite this continued!), yet as a European being quite neutral with my background I do side 80% with US against what China does want or has done/is doing, while only on 20% I side with China against US. You can use here the word obsessed, yet I think it does not really match as the US is taking permanently new firm positions (reacts on changes in China) and fills this new position case after case with actions where for example the recent 100% tariffs on electric cars (including Chinese production in Mexico!) can only be interpreted as hostile. On the somehow positive side: US announced it is willing to continue issuing Visa's for, if I remember correct, up to 300.000 students and would also like to see more US students to go to China (this shrinked recently to only 800).
I see 99% beeing CCP (People's Republic of China) and 1% being democratic (Republic of China). Insided the People's Republic of China there existed also the special case of Hongkong, but Hongkong got crashed down and in mainland nobody dares to object CCP (this is not healthy/good).
Hi @Veronmath. I think what the US speakers were trying to say was more nuanced in that they meant "the whole country is CCP (govt led)" which would be true.
I think you know what democracy does mean (every few years all population will select either a party and/or a new president to guide it into the future - for this the party/potential presidents does need to present its/their thinking/ideas and everybody like you personally do take a decision who looks to be best for next few years and all decisions are counted to determine who will actually be the winning party and/or the new president). As Western people we do understand that the way the rulership is determined in China is working in a completely different way. Not ALL PEOPLE (as in a democracy), but just the CCP delegates do determine who will be the new leader. Such completely different way to determine is described by the rather neutral wording "CCP leadership", other may exaggerate more as "CCP dictatorship" and mostly exaggerated would be "1-person Xi Jinping dictatorship", but in reality we just express by such wording a feeling of how we believe China is ruled and decisions are taken, yet it is quite impossible to understand what is really ongoing inside the CCP and how the several persons ruling China do interact, can and do control each other. I cannot see any racist intention at all in such wording, but rather the try to describe China's system as exact as possible in comparison to Western systems. Please note, democracy is not democracy but you have a wide range of differences when looking into the details. A first 3 major separation could be basic democracy (all people taking all decisions together, an ideal, a dream reached best by Switzerland), parliamentary democracies (the most prominent example is UK, but also Japan, Germany, ...) and presidential democracies (2 prominent examples are US and France). You knowing much better than Western people how the rulership system is working in China are welcome to propose better wording for China's rulership system, yet I believe you will fail to find better wording than the rather polite/neutral "CCP leadership" or the critic expressing "CCP dictatorship" (for Western people dictatorship is generally considered to be bad seeing the extreme experience of Hitler Germany and Military Japan around WWII, but also many other like italian Mussolini, spanish Franco or several countries in South America at certain times, ...).
Matt: if all of your neighbors are armed to the teeth surrounding your home (military bases) and constantly displaying serious hostility (disguised as “freedom of navigation”, or “protection of democracy”), what would you do?
The 2 Americans in the panel are certainly out of the league. Their understanding of China is appalling and what they actually knew were so outdated. Enough said!
Nonsense. We got Bin Laden and then we should have went home. Trying to help the Afghan people was a mistake but hindsight is always 20/20. The very same policy seems to be winning in Ukraine.
America won the battle fight but lost the ideology and overall mindset of a backward country. America also made billions in Afghanistan and gave away 65% of it back mostly to Afghanistan governments and warlords. Many in Afghan governments and warlords got rich ( including Taliban leaders). That country will forever be a basket 😂
@@camerond Yes. They are fighting for their lives and the life of their nation. They are holding their own and have prevented Putin from taking Ukraine. Yes, that is a huge victory, so far. Also Ukraine has large defeated the Russian navy and that's without Ukraine even having a navy. :)
Dr. Jin is not only brilliant, charming and an expert but also incredibly kind. When pouring water to herself she started by filling Mr. Ferguson's glass. This didn't go unnoticed. I'm in awe of this formidable lady!
So strange listening to these adults that apparently represents their countries views yet it’s like school kids arguing about who is friends with who who said what to whom and who is to blame for what! Can’t we please for god sake have grownups at last in humanity? Seeing that we apparently evolve and we have so many with so much education? Humanity is sick and tired of warmongering
US has positioned itself to maintain a global order. And US has created this new global order after it won WWII. In the context to maintain this global order US needs permanently to adjust and fine-position on existing or new conflicts. A recent hot spot of adjustment and even completely new positioning is China. In this adjustments a lot of discussions are ongoing where people are asked to present their private opinion or the opinion of the organisation they are working for. The country position can only be expressed by people authorized to do so, like president, minister or official spokes persons. I do not fully agree on "Humanity is sick and tired of warmongering". I think there is a very small percentage of warmongers (clearly visible on Ukraine) and there are quite a lot of people who are willing to fight for what they understand is their advantage or right/justice or global order or .... Having different views depending on your history, education and experience/own thinking the result is in worst case just contradictory views which again in worst case can result in gun fighting/war. I personally believe any person as strong as it claims to be peaceful can be brought into a situation where this person will fight. In this sense the correct target is to mimize fighting as much as possible, yet it is very difficult to see how this can work (Germany having lost after WWI also WWII and similar Japan having experienced the lost WWII and the power of atomic bombs are such case having established quite a strong sentiment against fight, preferring discussion/compromise, yet on Ukraine politicians/media worked hard to change this peaceful German mood and I understand similar is ongoing in Japan with growing fear on China becoming a giant -quite the contrary in US where people think the might of US military in both, attack as well as protection allows them to do whatever they think is appropriate).
1:02:30 Audience Scream at Matt: "US companies were willing to give their technologies to the Chinese in order to have access to their market ..." Correcting Matt's evil lies .. they should just go ahead and boot him off the stage.
China's governance appears more unwieldy than the U.S. Even though we have our 50 States and several protectorates, we have large ideological consensus groups. Primarily the conservative vs the liberal ideologies. China may have a much more complex provincial society. We were talking about China as a threat in economic and financial terms long before either Xi or Trump came into the picture. This is much more than simply miscommunication. We have very different ambitions for the human race as a whole.
That Chinese speaker is so incredibly careful to stick to ccp's narrative. If he's not on their payroll, at least the ccp will l make sure he's welcome to mainland China and be treated with feasts and other goodies.
Eric is way out of line in his comments. Taiwan (including the islands all the way to Japan, including Okinawa) was given back to China after WWII, after Japan occupied it since the latter 1800s. David is 100% on with his comments.
Of course each side is doing propaganda, but still there is the fact of justice! Invasion is evil, persecution is evil, suppression is evil, hegemony is evil!
Taiwan keeps coming up as an issue. The two war mongers lied that Xi's position has changed as Xi is more aggressive and impatient. These arguments were demolished as Xi's position was proven to be consistent since Deng's days in the 80's. Xi too said that it may take generations for peaceful integration and reunification. However, when asked the question whether US's policy and practice have changed. That question was deliberately side-stepped. Verbally, the US claims to abide by the 2-China policy, which recognises China as the sole government and Taiwan as its province. In practice, it has not abide by the policy by (1) arming Taiwan, (2) sending US officials to Taiwan, (3) stationing US marines on Taiwan and its Kinmen Islands 5 km away from China, (4) making provision to recognise Taiwan as an 'independent entity' in the 2022 Competes Act. Yet, when China reacts angrily to each of these infringements, it is said to be aggressive and ready to attack Taiwan. According to UN Charter, Taiwan is a province of China. The civil war was unfinished as the US's Seventh Fleet blocked the Chinese from crossing into Taiwan. Do you see how the two war mongers lied? The justification is always that Taiwan shoukd decide. Should China fund and arm the separatist movements in stolen Hawaii to decide on their independence? Military deterence is always given as the reason for US interference in Taiwan. Why not use dialogue instead of selliing more srms and weapons, with mediators acceptable to China and Taiwan to guarantee the peaceful status quo? Americans have been lied to create a situation for more war funding of the weapons industry.
Matthew Pottinger is a caricature, a pathetic political hack right out of Dr. Strangelove. I take comfort in the fact that he will be remembered poorly by history.
Here's the last words !!!!! The greatest victories in wars are NO wars. Having said that, does not mean no need to prepare for one !!!!!! To be powerful does not mean can use it to suit yourself !!!! Responsibility & respect comes before anything !!!! Who does what ?? Leave it to your own believes.
I am surprised that you even invited these two here, what do you expect, of course they are gonna lie, they are gonna change narratives, dodge questions. The so-called facts they give have nothing to do with reality in China.
Andrew is consistently over exaggerating sh!+ There lol 😂 he even put Japan & Korea adopting nuclear on it 😂 he's totally extreme haha first time I thought Pottinger as moderate compared to Andrew. He's totally bought by the military industrial complex.
Oh, in my understanding this sentence expresses an arrogance Chinese like to claim on Americans concerning their military might/actions ?! Americans do enjoy cheap Chinese goods, but if their government would decide Americans will live some time without these cheap Chinese goods and set-up new factories in Mexico, India or whereever convenient and as a consequence the Chinese having produced these products will get unemployed. You can surely state China does not need employent by US purchase, yet I believe your colleagues suffering unemployment will think/state different. You may also think in my view wrongly that China does not need US products, yet when the US block on the most advanced Semiconductors will start to act fully, let's see if you are still able to have access to the most advanced smart phones or China does advance to a 2nd or even 3rd world country on smart phones. The US having on same land area just 350 million people while China with less good soil has to feed 1.400 million people can enjoy a quite good life on their internal ressources only. Even with same distribution on ressources US would have huge advantages, yet I believe China has less key ressources than US, the most prominent being oil where US can export, while China needs to import.
@@yaoliang1580 have a look at china 2023 customs data: as value top ten import products are fossil fuel, chips and bean etc. on export, are electric devices, such as phone , computers. car parts etc.
China wants respect, by not challenging USA but challenging first its neighbours, then penultimate neighbours etc. Who cares whether China wants to challenge usa or not but China's intention to invade it's neighbours is a proof. Without having engulfed vast land in the South( Tibet), in the West ( Turkmenistan) and in the North (Manchuria and Mangolia) , otherwise China will be a small land in it's East.
Talking about TSMC, i would say the US is not really caring about democracy in Taiwan, but its own interest to stay on top of the tech war. By the way, TSMC is not really owned by Taiwan, it's "owned" by the US, technology wise.
If Taiwan falls, it makes no difference on supply of semiconductors. There will be another supplier. Get real... Technology change doesn't sit on TSMC only. Life goes on...
That technology can move is part of it. I don't see why TSMC no longer supplies chips as usual if Taiwan reunite with Mainland. Nowadays there are already lots of product dependencies on China, why aren't those national security concerns to the US?
This guy just refuses to listen to other's point: that Gentleman said very clear every US technology went to China was approved and executed by US Companies themselves. This technology for Access is just like the extra high price everyone paid to US technology: price for Goods. There is no "Steal" here and those CEOs are not stupid. They earned huge profits from outdated technologies, sometime several generation/decades old. By the way, this Technology vs Access is the game all Developing Countries play all the time.
They’ll steal your children’s future: As proven at trial, Sinovel stole proprietary wind turbine technology from AMSC in order to produce its own turbines powered by the stolen intellectual property.
Well, what to do with the CEOs (and the boards of directors) who gave access with their eyes open is another conversation: The Select Committee on the CCP should definitely be doing hearings on them. That said, you can't apologize for IP theft with "well, everybody does it." If dealing with the PRC means having to put up with theft, then maybe the solution is to take our bat and ball and go somewhere else where people play by the rules...
@@GeoScorpion Your arrogance is amazing. You are assuming all these Western CEOs and business leaders were not as smart as YOU are when they decided to invest in PRC.
@@qingzhou9983 My 'arrogance' is come by honestly and it isn't a question of intelligence. The 'Western CEOs and business leaders' are now doing exactly what I've been saying they were going to have to do for the past 5 years. Even Blackstone, BlackRock, Goldman Sachs, Elon Musk, Tim Cook are scrambling to get out AFTER doubling down and the only thing slowing them down is "Sunk Cost". If you don't believe me, walk down the street in Shanghai in the formerly bustling 'Foreign District' or compare the traffic (truck and ship) of ANY of the Chinese ports from 2019 -2023... and note the empty cargo containers stacked 7-10 high. Sorry buddy, but you whiffed on this one.
@@GeoScorpionGiving technology in exchange aa part of joint venture was pretty common not just in China but also in countries like Korea. This was aldo happrning eith Korean automotive industries whrn they had this type of joint venture with the US and Japanese company. There was never any type of accusation when Korean gain their technology with this exact practice in 80s
The panel of guests is utterly imbalanced, with serious and extremist hawks on the western side while the show deliberately avoided to invite any hawkish guests from the east side.
If PRC gets control of Taiwan, the US led order will not permit TSMC to function. While TSMC has to know how to produce state of the art semi-conductor, it needs the global supply chain to support it. Specialized machinery, chemicals, and software from Holland, US, Japan and others. The disruption of semi conductor production will be for at least 2 to 3 years.
He is opportunist, has no principles, this kind of guy is most dangerous character because he pretends to people he is either left or right, inside his mind all he cares about is his personal gain, he is a fake character trying to confuse people when he opens his big mouth!
Re Taiwan. Take the cost of military preparation and/or war on both sides, what do you get, $14T? $6T? Something like that? Okay, instead, give grants to people in the two Chinas to form families, something reasonable, $100k to $500k, maybe add bonuses for child care. Wait 10-20 years. You will have so many families with parents from both Chinas, there will no longer be any problem with wars. Just a thought experiment. It addresses the population decline, it's not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than war. Stop talking war, stop thinking it's inevitable. AI will be able to tell you this in ten years, I'm telling you as a human today, you're welcome.
Defending Taiwan is a good thing to do! But please do not forget in the 60s Marshall Chiang Kai Shek had had the master plan to liberate China mainland by the Chinese National forces. But the US did not wanna be the patron of the invasion. Instead of insulting the ROC (Taiwan) by opening up the so called PRC & then kicked the ROC out if the UN. And what the next following no one needed to talk about.
Misinterpretation of China will lead to miscalculation that will lead to the possibility of conflict between China and U.S., especially in the issues of Taiwan and the South China Sea. 30:22
XI JINPING IS NOTHING LIKE HE DESCRIPTED.....XI WHEN YOUNG LOVE AMERICA HUNTIL TODAY..STILL HV FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE AMERICAN FAMILY WHO HOSTED HIM DURING HIS STAY IN USA ! THEY MADE IT A POINT TO STUDY USA ..BECAME CONVINCED ...China cannot be allow to become another USA and for good reason too...😅😂
My friend who got fired for doing unethical things at work constantly displays grudges against his previous employer, and openly makes up false accusations too. We understand you, Mr. Hawkish guest (Andrew?).
As of 2024, the United States maintains an estimated total of approximately 5,044 nuclear warheads. This includes around 1,770 deployed warheads, 1,938 reserved for operational forces, and an additional 1,336 retired warheads awaiting dismantlement . In contrast, China has approximately 500 nuclear warheads. While the exact number of deployed warheads is less clear. Really America is the pot calling the kettle black.
Answer: USA has gone off the deep end grieving the loss of its unipolar moment and could stumble into a war with China, Taiwan being the proximate cause if not the actual cause. Viewers should note that both the PRC and ROC constitution recognize the principle of One China and claim sovereignty for both the mainland and Taiwan province. China is a sovereign country with a right to maintain a defensive military. That Xi has set a target for readiness for a war over Taiwan in the face of US meddling is reasonable. Furthermore, China is the only nuclear armed nation with a no first use doctrine, while the USA is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons (twice, in East Asia) and continues to maintain a nuclear first-use doctrine; in that context, what wouldn't China position itself for a position of strength on MAD? Edit to add: Niall Ferguson is still a pompous ass, it is comforting in a time of global instability to have that constant.
Is this world orderfair? That's the question you ask yourself. If not, sure, China has a right to challenge it to be better, later India and any developing countries should. Not by invading west but changing rules of economy and trade.
Keyu stated that young Chinese are highly influenced by Western culture. That’s true. If you visit Chinese cities, Starbucks and McDonalds are flourishing, Shanghai Disney is packed with people. But these young people are not naturally will be friends of US politicians as one panelist expected. Many of these young people do not like CPC, which is natural when there are so many restrictions. But, when they break out of the Great FIre Wall and find out so many misinterpretations and distortions of the facts on China, most of them gradually become strong supporters of CPC. Irony…
Why is USA so concern about human rights in China when most Chinese is doing better comparable to those in Africa, India and many other poor countries? USA must first sincerely exemplary resolve human rights and poverties in these poor countries first.
'Axis of Evil'. ?? A convenient catch phrase, but does Lindsay Graham - a thoroughly evil man himself - have any right what to label other people as evil ?
Matt, always playing the victim. Beijing is exerting pressure on the US by not allowing the 7th fleet within 6 miles of the coast. Beijing is also exerting pressure on the US by not supporting US policy on Israel. I believe the lady who said that the greatest threat to the US is not from the outside.
If America stops poking its nose in the South China Sea Taiwanese parliament will unilaterally pass a resolution to become an autonomous region of China like Hong Kong has become. 90 % of Chinese trade flows through the South China Sea, so they are vested in keeping the sea lanes free for international navigation. America has no such interest, in fact it still needs to rectify the international navigation law.
Oh, Matt is exactly that frenetic hyperventilating self, this guy is so far down the rabbit hole paranoia if ever there’s one. Needs to see a psychiatrist with mental
Andrew too. He talks like Marco Rubio.
War mongers will make self fulfilling prophecy.
I just can’t stand the American rhetoric anymore. Mostly fabricated facts.
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Those two American guys just BS... they're not same scholars as these two Chinese... they're not in the same level...
Yes, there is quite a difference in the way of speaking between the 2 Americans and the 2 Chinese. But this is not BS (look at the titles of their books), but quite exactly and well showing the conflict between US and China (if both Chinese would be replaced by Americans having the subject of social interaction (Keyu) and economy (David) and both Chinese would represent the subject of warfare (Andrew) and China's stance on Ukraine (Matt) I would guess your wording being an American would simply reverse to "those 2 Chinses guys just BS".
And looking at this conflict from the outside I am not able to decide, is the Chinese thinking correct or is the US thinking correct (in my view on this world I am coming to mixed results, on certain cases favorizing US, but on other cases favorizing China's view).
Is the diplomatic and military terror China applies on Taiwan just a peaceful sign of China wanting to have the full re-unification (oppressing CCP rulership on Taiwan by peace) or are these as US understands early signs China will make war against Taiwan, China will revolt against the global order imposed by US? (on this item I side with US, yet I support China as no progress on Taiwan to proceed on separation is allowed/supported)
Is China's insistance on the history based 9-dash line for some border disputes a clear revolt against the US imposed order that after WWII only rational reasons should be used to clarify border disputes? (on this item I also side with US, because history based reason could lead to re-emergence of colonial system, many European countries could again claim rulership as exercised in history)
Do the NATO activies in Ukraine match to the US imposed global order? (on this item I side with China, NATO activies in Ukraine are mainly to get huge advantages for NATO and weaken/harm Russia strongly, which did not only risk the ultimate goal PEACE, but acutally resulted in a war on which I see 80% of the responsibility lying in US based on their stubborn insistance to get Ukraine/Georgia into NATO which is for me a clear violation of the global order as US has imposed as part of it a thinking that US fixed for themselves in the Monroe doctrine -no adversary military on US border!)
Do US imposed tariffs match the global order of fair free trade? (for me clearly no and therefore I side on this item with China, a major goal of the tariffs is AMERICA FIRST, the target to contain China, to stay economically No.1. Yet in contrary to some Chinese understanding the danger of losing economic No.1 position is THE REASON I think it is only a major part of such US actions, the other major parts are the conflicts around Taiwan/Ukraine and other conflicting items all getting intermingled.)
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@@friedhelmschroter8124If the message doesn't follow CCP narrative the CCP label it BS. Only CCP narrative allowed
you are correct
Exactly. They are closely aligned with the MIC and with American think thanks supporting the MIC. Total fabrication.
Kurt Campbell said chinese student should study humianity and social science only.
Tom Cotton said Chinese student should study Sharkspear only.
I have to say those americans lost their minds, became dilusional.
But Chinese govt and parents think otherwise 😂
The Uniparty got no clues in Geopolitics. The Russians prob lit the fires here and there😊
In my understanding US has developed over long time something that I would call "a responsibility for a global order based on its power".
China, thinking it is as powerful as US, but not entitled to do same as US as well as how Americans discuss about global order/how to use their power for this may get resolved by Chinese thinking American are delusional. Yet in my thinking the situation is vice versa. China is economically already a giant and will grow up militarily also, yet China thinking in the sense of "global responsibility" is a novum for China (China never had to do it in its long history, but China only knows it has to serve its own interest.
Reckonising that size/power means also global responsibility is a point where China lacks a lot of the development US has done/gone since the French Revolution fixed LIBERTÉ, EGALITÉ and FRATERNITÉ as key cornerstones.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 By "responsibility for a global order based on its power", did you mean the responsibility to launch countless wars and killing millions of innocent peole all over the world and responsibility supporting genocidal government?
@@mikef6399 NO, by "responsibility for a global order based on its power" I do mean a kind of global police that is arranging/acting all over the world to i) let the world function and ii) get the world more peaceful ideally by deterring the start of wars but also by being able in case a conflict is already ongoing to arrange a decisive decision in favor of the global order (one can claim this may be a dream wish, yet in my view I can see quite some elements for this dream wish present in US actions/decisions in the last 80/90 years).
The US could have easily decided on WWII, OK let the Germans and the Japanese go ahead, we are keeping out and do just enjoy life. You may imagine how our world today would look like if US would have taken such decision. US decided to engage and stop/defeat these 2 powers. In next step they had to decide "What to do with defeated Japan and Germany", after WWI the winners UK and France put high yearly reparations payments on Germany and in addition military recovery was hindered greatly. In my view THE REASONS that Germany elected an extreme character like Hitler by 1932 which ultimately led to WWII, because after his first successes Hitler saw no reason why not to continue his until 1941 for Germany extremely successful way. And here I see one great point of "responsibility" because the US decided to transform both countries into democracies and even kick-started an economic recovery which by the internal strength/power of the Japanese as well as the German society/mentality led to what we can see today, both Japan and Germany in size and population rather small, but well known globally by their products, still occupy position 3 and 4 in global GDP ranking and both are extremely peaceful countries which had a positive influence on all their neighbours. Another key point of "responsibility" was the US will to crash down the concept of colonies which brought many many people on this globe the freedom to determine their own way.
What you are speaking about are rather the negative effects, because beside of arranging and maintaining the global order, US got so impressed by its power that it misused it and nobody had the power to stop US from doing this. As you claim such misuse caused death and pain to many millions. Yet about 1 billion Western people do enjoy a rather confortable and safe life and if I could continue my dream expresse above I would be quite happy for China to become similar powerful as US, as this will add a completely different view of 1.400 million peopley with a many century long history which could result in one hindering the other power to do bad things.
A global hegemon is basically a DICTATOR (exactly what US does hate), yet US sticks to be a single hegemon/dictator and I am not sure China is ready/willing to become a 2nd global hegemon in long term (for me it looks China is emphasizing only on its own matters, but rejects to bear global responsibility completely).
By the way by counting all the people killed by USSR, all the people killed by China mainly in China's cultural revolution and all the people killed by USA, I am not sure which order would result (my gut feeling would say USSR is highest and China may be lowest, yet still in the millions and the way of counting is especially on US quite complex), but I may be wrong on USSR because its most terrible actions happened before WWII.
The Chinese and Russians leaders are successful in improving there country economy, so why you are moaning
The US regime hates that. If your country is improving your country basically has to pay extortion money to the mafia boss the US regime.
What is your criteria for "are successful in improving there country economy"?
And more important than a look onto the past, which actual activities do you see to continue such "success" into the future?
On Russia the economic future is very difficult to predict, yet being cut off from the West will have negative consequences. In my impression also Russian mentality has not really followed developments in the West like for example same gender marriage resulting in a greater cultural difference Russia - Europe/the West than in the past.
Also on China I think recent US actions like blocking the access to the most advanced Semiconductors will show their full negative consequences only in future and Europe is at this moment undecided if to follow US in fully blocking China (all media/politicians are working hard to built up the negative mood for this) or if to continue current level with China. Yes, in the past China advanced extremely, yet THE PREREQUISITE for this was US positive mood and this has changed in the last 10 years first to negative and if I do understand recent actions even to a certain level of hostility and this will give China larger headaches, yet again the end result is not clear yet as China progresses to issue many new well trained students and in how far these will be able to catch up to the West under the condition of US being hostile on China needs to be seen. In addition Asia is a natural market for Chinese products as long as China does not make too much enemies with for example the 9-dash line causing countries like India, Vietnam, Philippines, Thailand rather to side with the West against China.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 If you only have a second grader's intelligence, you will be able to acknowledge China's success in the last 4 decades to advance the country's economy and more importantly improve its citizen's living standard. The US political elites certain sees that. That's exactly the reason why they are coming out with all kinds of shady policies trying to slow or put China down. Guess what, they won't be successful because China has competent leaders not criminals or old guys with dementia running the country in the US.
by invading other countries,
In Russia, GDP has been stagnating for 11 years and industrial production for 17 years. Of course, this is the main reason for the state’s internal and external aggression.
The main hoax that the Chinese are trying to preach is the uniqueness, peculiarity of their nation and misunderstandings by Europeans. In fact, all economists and historians see is an attempt by the aristocracy to maintain its power and privileges (state rents, castles and mistresses) through military rhetoric. It happens that this leads to wars and the current war is just one example.
The two non-Asian guests know in their heart/mind that they are lying, however they are skilful in hiding that, very skilful.
On the contrary, the two Chinese guests are lying through their teeth. The non-Asian panelists enjoying free speech and speak their minds. t
The Chinese panelists have more difficult jobs
They cannot low straight out since the audience would not believe them but they cannot tell the truth either because they still want to go back to China and operate there.
It doesn't seem like a misunderstanding that China is building up military capabilities, conventional and nuclear, specifically aimed at defeating the United States.
I agree completely with Dr. David Daokui Li.
Keyu misses the point. XI is a Lenin ist. He makes the decisions not the young people who complained about CCP covid policy
The first guy who asked the question was actually planted there by the CCP. He repeated the exact talking points of global times.
What a lot of bs from the two americans.
And THE FACT U ALL probably WORK FOR BLACK ROCK!
Know why no discussion on internal problems ?? It will affect lobbies !!!! It will open the Pandora's box !!!!!
The two white guys on the panel have little insight but a lot of air to share... it is so disappointing
10 years of living in China for Matt is a total waste of time.
totally agree! Spending so much time in China, still so ignorant, what did he do in China in the 10 years in China???
@@zhaojin-v7zHe joined the Marines as a military intelligence officer and then was Asia director in the National Security Council. At some time he was a journalist in China for seven years. No wonder China kicked out most American journalists, this guy was clearly a US intelligence asset.
@@zhaojin-v7z at least he went to see for himself and i supposed he liked it
theres many places to explore in china , dont be scared just try it, it might change your mind
He is paid for it.....real hopeless and talking nonsense. It is this type of so called experts that causing all the tensions. No wonder he is kicked out of China.
Journalist are highly restricted in China anyway. Coming 179 out of 180 in fredom of press index.
It’s hard to talk to a guy like Matt Pottinger when every other sentence is a lie
Matt guy is a person like Gordan Chang, despicable.
@@tomchen513 he is definitely despicable, but a lot more dangerous than Gordon Chang. He is systematically lying to US politicians and public about China and is more presentable than Gordon Chang
tHIS GUY IS POTTY. DHL
He is hell bent on taking China down.
This panel should start talking about how to settle your 35 trillion debt, infrastructure repairs, inflation, improving citizens lives, plants lacking skilled workers due to place flooded with wall street speculators, education system, health care prices, potential funding required for the coming climate disasters, climate change tariffs on over capacity to buy more expensive local instead of increasing your own productivity ETC..... also stop instigating wars, ongoing wars. While 1 finger pointing at others, 3 are pointing at yourself !!!!!
The US has been in the middle east for the last 70 years and has not solved the Palestinian problem. Now the US is blaming TIKTOK on the Israeli-Palestinian problem. This view is ridiculous.
@truthsetyoufree104 the US makes its own rules up to suite itself
What you say is ridiculous. America isn't banning TikTok - or trying to change its ownership because of the Isreali-Palestinian problem
That’s the US behavior 😂
people and congress were talking about banning tik tok in 2020,2021, 2022 and 2023. there are many valid arguments for banning it apart from palestine.
The US itself is ridiculous (and a dangerous, warmongering, despotic power). Pity they can't focus on fixing their own dungheap before meddling in everyone else's business.
I wish Kishore Mahbubani was in this panel. So tell these two Americans their reality. Every American question is answered with facts. Only Kishore Mahbubani sir tells Americans their real times. Next time when discussing the subject of China and America. So Kishore said to Mahbubani Sir. These two Americans will know.😅😅😅
Kishore’s assumptions are based on China becoming a democracy…
Kishore has no credibility with a serious audience. He is just a good entertainer singing China praises 👏 🙌 😅
@@donaldjoseph3903 Kishore has more diplomatic experience than any of these monkeys. if he has no credibility, what are these guy which are only deputies with a far shorter career in governance?
@@donaldjoseph3903 When Kishore Mahbubani starts speaking. So in front of them western analyst journalists behave like American expert pet dog. Whenever these so called western experts start speaking in front of Kishore Mehboobani, Kishore Mehboobani would rebuke them with full facts. Because they have answers to all their questions.😊😂😂 Dumb
This panel (or circus) and its ignorant moderator do not deserve Kishore’s wisdom.
作为一个40岁的中国男人，因为各种宣传我之前对美国有些好感。但是当我了解到他们要抢我的午餐时，限制中国的发展时，我坚定支持政府和美国斗争，哪怕是发展为战争。
In the heads of the Americans:- "As Americans, we could do that and that. But it does not mean Americans would allow other nations such as China to do the same. " They said Chinese are rapidly building up their military power.....Obviously he has not spent time to check the total military spending of the two countries in the last ten years. A nation with 300 bases surrounding another nation expects that nation to refrain from military spending. No wonder that there are conflicts.
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@@onetwokaafourdispute with him n prove which part of his speech is wrong instead of barking aimlessly
Well when the head of CGTN preached in WEF that China has been the sole buyer of Iran's oil since 2018 and a third of oil is also outsourced from Iraq, then casually continued with "out tech is so amazing to help green energy'😊 Thank God Uncle Sam ain't that stupid esp listening to this Prof "Japan's submitted". Abs ridiculous at that level of degree
Last time we checked, that hegemony regime has installed over 700 military bases globally.
Nicely displayed the American education system and the quality of people to complete on the international stage.
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This guy lived in China for 10 years, still has no idea about China what a shame!
how many times have you been there
don't know if Matt Pottinger really believes in what he is saying. There is a market for that type of tough talk in america. He gets invited to talk shows like this, think tanks and make a pretty good living.
@@albertiwong talk shows just talk shit
He probably were into a city like Hong Kong where everything is faking what they want China to become.
Living in a cloistered expat environment and not speaking Chinese plus having a preformed mindset is not conducive to understanding China
These 2 Americans esp the most vocal one is the epitome of how deeply the us misunderstands china
They have no desire to understand China.
True
Not misunderstand. Just cannot allow China to surpass US at all cost
@@Danielchan-z6h thank you for your directness😂
america want to spread their military to every conner of the earth map, which is the ugliest thing to imagine, every misinformation to divide every regions com from them, europe, middle east, my region south china sea..., china isnt good, but it hasn't force any small country to be help by its military like america
Matt is so far right that his view is totally worthless
It doesn't matter it is China, Japan or India. The US will not allow any country to overtake it's no.1 position in the world. Asia is a peaceful region since Vietnam war. Don't let the US starts a war here. I hope all the Asian countries understand that.
Actually they prefer COMMUNIST VIETNAM to succeed economically than India. Nobody in the West care about Communism in Vietnam.
Not sure where you've been but the US is not the number one position in the world. Ẁe fall around number 5 and with these idiots trying to take over with Trump again will be pushing us further down that pole. Count on it. I know it's hard for some to face but by far we aren't the best country in the world.
ww2 japan was once supported by the US by its trade policy and own interest in Asia, until the cut off of petrol supply and the attack of pearl harbor.
You are so right china is expanding both economically and military
Economically way more the US, that's why america doesn't like it,but really china and russia are very good diplomatically ,something the US should try
Another america spends alot more militarily but instead for the nation it's for the shareholders
Duh it's about Iran👎
2 Economist vs 2 Warmongers
More like hypocrites vs genuine brave souls 😂😂
All are hypocrites except the past US President didn't need to crawl to WEF or cry about sanctions to access NATO markets
These two economists are nothing but mouth pieces of the CCP. What they said should interpreted as 100% opposite. Period
@@olderchin1558 who economists not america and the west
In 2019 alone, Nato dropped 26,000 bombs on 7 Sovereign countries without UN sanctions, killing thousands and making millions of refugees. Was this done to further Democracy or human rights?
The real reasons for this unimaginable cruelty is to replace the existing leader with a corrupt puppet that can be easily bribed to sign very favourable trade agreements that provides huge benefits to their corporations to engage in ruthless exploitation n plunder of their resources
Who noticed that Keyu refilled some water for the moderater first and then herself...that's real Chinese etiquette. By the way, Keyu and David obviously made more sense than the other two American panelists, well done!
I did!
Yeah China is building up its capabilities because it is being surrounded by 300 US bases in the Pacific. Google search is free.
Google searches show those bases brought China their freedom. 😂
B.s. bet u don't say the same about Russia being surrounded.
China is the enemy.
China is laying claim to the entire South china sea, and that's just the beginning.
They intend to control the waterways, and assuming u live in the u.s., u can kiss ur lifestyle goodbye, prepare for the stone age.
Or u might be part of the 50cent army
@@ryanwalters6184Complete lie
@@ryanwalters6184freedom...from degeneracy of the West 😂
Google search is free... except in China.
The title should be 'US provoking China to a war'.
@AnnieT369 that would be better don't see chinese navy off the coast of america
... which will lead to complete decimation of the US Empire.*
@@existentialbaby its well on the way there and thats not chinas fault
@@thaitraveller9756 Travel up to Alaska. America doesn't feel threatned with freedom of navigation journeys
@@Andy-P 习近平攻击美国本土必须从阿拉斯加先了解逐步了解夏威夷，加勒比海。
还有美国白宫(中国神秘斩首行动小组执行)。
Matt is a disappointing Chinese hawk. Kept quoting Congress as his basis when the American congress are the root cause of the world's problem. He can run for congress. To even quote Pompey shows his competency when the world know Pompey is a liar and he openly admited.
Pottinger is CIA. Pompey was probably his boss. The cover of reporter is a favorite for the CIA.
Pottinger is a CCP hawk not a China hawk. Most of us like China and the Chinese people, but rightly see the CCP as a threat to the world as well as a catastrophically oppressive and incompetent force against the Chinese people, themselves. It is as Feudal as the Manchu Q'ing and all other empirical dynasties that ever existed. It became what it rebelled against, but with none of the restraints and with no moral compass.
@@olderchin1558 lol! Potinger is a pain in the butt for the CIA. I hardly doubt they cut him a paycheck. If the CIA had the budget to pay everyone who is accused of being part of the CIA (I've been accused many times and WISH I got paid!) they would have a bigger budget than the US military.
Ideologue be ideologuin’. Or should I say, operative be operatin’
@@zhanwenchen9238 I think y ou should lay off the alcohol before you hit the send button...
The actual undisputable warmongers in the room have displayed total ignorance about whether an observation is a cause or an effect. In fact the sheer lack of common sense by the Western "China experts" about China is worrisome.
Strangely isn't okay for China to support Russian while it's okay for the Us to support Ukraine.
there are two people who do not talk about what's wrong in their own country, what needs to be improved, they only talk about more war, repeat propaganda words.
Please note, the subject of this video is China - US.
To find out how US thinks about their internal problems you need to find another video.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 please note: who is the next US? what is their agenda? it's quite related. talking in isolation is peeing in the wind.
@@LaBambaCL I do not think the outcome of the US election will have a huge influence (but one never knows seeing the erratic characteristic of Trump -suddenly coming up with completely new idea).
My critic on your comment was related to the fact, that you do request/claim something that is out of the scope of this video.
Another example to make my point clear: If the subject is "US Dollar" and you would claim "but why is the Euro not talked about" your comment is simply nonsense (does not help, give any useful information), because it should be talked about the USD and not about Euro.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 i was making a direct reply to your comment. perhaps you are not listening to all the speakers of this forum. i believe my orig post stands...two talk war, two talk relationship.
two sections of the talk are titled xi, trmup/biden.
@@LaBambaCL Sorry, may be some misunderstanding in my side, yet I totally fail to catch what you want to say.
Going back to the original, I think to comment "there are two people who do not talk about what's wrong in their own country, what needs to be improved, ..." (despite not saying I understood you mean the 2 Americans) Is nonsense, because the subject of discussion is conflict US-China, how it started, why and to look into several aspects more in detail and everybody brought his or his organisations points/thinkings and there were several details given that I was not aware of despite trying to understand better what is ongoing between US and China since months.
The lady did bring a lot of good general trends/info on mood existing in China by well understandable concrete examples and her goal was obviously to soften the hostility that got built up by advocating for speak to each other quite often to understand each other better.
The first American gave several examples of how US does see and interpret the situation in a neutral yet clear language addressing the point. The 3rd man like the lady did bring up many good arguments and facts to soften the conflict. The 2nd American did frontally attack China on several points suppressing the fact that US has already done same. To claim on China a massive military buld up while US has already built up a probably more massive military is nonsense, the same the claim on Russia with Cina setting up some space capability to destroy satellites -I am sure US has or will set-up much stronger capability- and one of his main attack points was Xi Jinping to Putin relationship and its effect on Ukraine. While the 3rd man stressed in his softening goal the fact that China supports Ukraine by being its largest trading partner, the 2nd American stressed China support to Russia by many materials does enable Putin continue to fight in Ukraine. He also stressed the fact that except of 1 American ALL US journalists have been expelled by China. My personal ranking on most neutral is exactly as they were sitting left to the right, with the most right (2nd American) being a quite distant class by its own.
I think also your "revised" comment as "two talk war, two talk relationship" is not really matching what they said, as for me none was speaking about war, but two talked with target to reduce the hostility, the first American talked about WHY the situation is as hostile as it is and the second American claimed strongly on China what is not correct out of a very weird perspective which becomes nonsense/a way to push America First when US has or is doing the same or is targeting something bad as I personally do assume is the case on Ukraine (this war is absolute nonsense, for nothing, but pushed by US in its NATO eastward expansion and as plans did not work out as planned US is now putting pressure on China).
Anywhere in the world, if there is a border dispute, it is usually the result of a line drawn by an Englishman; if it is an internal dispute, it is usually the US fueling it. Difference in implementation of divide and conquer strategy.
The 'Arsenal of Democracy' produces 40 percent of the world's weapons. It is a very profitable business model in which other countries buy these weapons to fight each other. The key is maximizing profits without shedding US blood by inducing conflicts between and within countries outside the USA. One client is eager to spend AUD 368 billion to buy a few high-quality used nuclear-powered submarines. This business model's critical components are NATO, QUAD, ANZUS, Five Eyes, AUKUS, and MCC (Mutual Cross-Service Agreement).
The US makes the rules, and the US and their friends do not have to follow them. Since WWII, the United States has started 201 wars, overthrew 36 foreign leaders, killed or attempted to kill 50, dropped bombs in 30 countries, and interfered in 86 foreign elections. To make the world safe for democracy, the US has caused the deaths of tens of millions of people in its conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. The CIA was involved in covert operations that resulted in mass killings of communists in over 22 countries, 500,000 to 2,000,000 Indonesian civilians disappeared in 1965-1966.
True, in some part of the Europe colonized world arbitrary border drawing caused later stress. This border drawing is however simply a fact of the past that can and should be criticized, but that cannot be corrected any more by Europeans/the West. And how the border disputes got and get resolved later is in most cases outside of the influence of the West, but rather a matter of 2 countries who had/have to decide if they solve such clearly by Europeans caused conflicts in a peaceful way by discussion and mutual agreement or by war.
I fully agree, too much money is going into military especially in the US (this does motivate US somehow to use such expensive military for their advantage and it slows down the extremely important and mandatory effort in CO2 reduction), yet for general global peace it is nice to have some power that is such powerful that it can be considered to be the global police. It is not clear to me how China does like to position into this global order while it is growing up now militarily or in how far China wants to be a second global hegemon, this means reform the US created global order radically.
The US made rules of global order are largely followed by all countries, yet you have specific conflicts where US fails to act as global police and rather targets its own advantage and countries may reject this global order as US takes the right to adjust/change rules again rather to its advantage or they would do better on different rules.
Can you please provide the source where most of the global conflicts are listed (I think 248) and judged for the initiator. I understand this list was prepared by China and I would like to check if my knowledge base does match to China judgement.
I have read some summary here english.news.cn/20220902/735703a45cfd458791179d4c0a80e727/c.html and my general impression, China's summary has a strong bias to select the words/write the sentences so, that US can be claimed, but several key facts are not mentioned (in general it is just acceptable to me). It is well known that US did and is doing bad things, yet the scale may be exaggerated and in my impression US improves/reduced their activity in recent times quite a lot. I was watching how US would position on Israel counter-attack on Iran, after Iran had retailiated on Israel with some 300 attack objects and I was strongly surprised to see just an radar got destroyed in Iran which is for me clearly the result of strong pressure of US on Israel.
Many bad things/major wars were related to US will to contain communism (and were responses to communist war or rebel revolution), while the middle east looks to be dominated by securing oil supply and safety of Israel. Communism is mostly gone, Europe is peaceful (I consider Ukraine to be an exception), South America is also getting more and more stable, Asia is quite stable and Africa is at this moment not important enough to engage. So the key potential conflict everybody is looking on, yet nobody is really understanding is China - US.
On Yugoslavia I have quite some details and the killing that was ongoing there needed to be stopped in some way which I would consider as a police action to re-establish global order, yet it was clearly against the interest of Russia who had a close realationship with the Serbs and in this sense to the advantage of NATO. By its engagement in Yugoslavia however, NATO lost its right to call itself peaceful (an organisation doing an active military attack cannot be considered as peaceful, independent of the goals it intended to achieve).
China military built up is mainly for defensive purposes as US military bases ,from Pine Gap and Darwin in Australia to the Phillipines.Jeju island in S.Korea and Okinawa in Japan form a noose around China . 80 % of China trades passes through the South China Sea and the straits of Malacca. An ambush on this region will strangle the Chinese economy. One wonder why the US which is thousand of miles away from this region should shamefully dominate this region by coercing countries to stand by their sides. America is notoriously famous for saying either “ you are with us or against us.” If this is not bullying, I do not know what it is.
@@slly4276 "China military built up is mainly for defensive purposes ..."
==> NATO does claim the same, but looking into past attack onto Yugoslavia and especially actual Ukraine and what is ongoing there why, you can come also to the opposite conclusion (at least Russia does). Most defense military is also usable for attack.
Anyhow, if US has built up a super military in my thinking US has no right on China to claim built-up of military.
"One wonder why the US which is thousand of miles away from this region ..."
==> US is the global hegemon and it has allies in this region it is willing to support. Natural US allies (same language) are Australia and New Zealand. Important allies are Japan, the much smaller South-Korea and the most difficult and smallest Taiwan. In my understanding also Philippines and Thailand have some kind of closer relationship with US and US currently checks with India if there is interest. As global hegemon US has an essential interest to avoid any kind of sea traffic block and this is especially true for the South China Sea (same goal as China).
In contrast to the dead USSR US had never a need to coerce countries to be an ally. The key reason for this is, the ally status does provide quite a bunch of advantages like US good mood, being protected by the US maintained global order but also by US directly to the extent agreed or US considers necessary to maintain the global order.
Required to carry the responsibilty (and cost) to maintain the global order (I see no other country able and willing to carry this responsibility) US needs to act on certain behaviour in a determined way. However, I agree on certain activities it is difficult to see the global order interest, but an US interest is clear (sometimes US is misusing its global hegemon status/power for its personal advantage).
If China has found a way to act friendly on countries rebelling/fighting against China maintaining the global order I would be happy if China would apply such way to teach the West. In my understanding the global standard is some kind of police to keep the system running, to maintain the order and this police is required occasionally to apply force IF .... -if you continue to act to disturb the order, yet the applied force should be reasonable and not excessive.
Doesn't explain Putin invasion of Ukraine
@@friedhelmschroter8124 全球治理也可以是多种形式的，警察是用来抓坏人的，国与国的竞争有好与坏的划分吗？只有意识形态的划分，那就是谁跟我好谁就是对的，我就帮谁，这样能维护世界的和平吗？比如美国，不管是中印边界冲突或是中菲海域划分，美国不分青红皂白的站在印菲一边，如果警察自己不分好坏，这个社会能和平吗？你们被太多的媒体和舆论覆盖着，看不到世界的真相，中国自古以来都不是一个好战的民族，我们只想让自己安居乐业，中国2000多年前就建了长城，他是用来防御外敌入侵的，反而中国在2000多年中大部分时间GDP占世界的三分之一，在中国大一统的时候，周边的邻居甚至都还是部落或奴隶制模式，中国也没有要想去吞并他们，这就是中国人常挂在嘴边的“安居乐业”
Keyu stated that young Chinese are highly influenced by Western culture. That’s true. If you visit Chinese cities, Starbucks and McDonalds are flourishing, Shanghai Disney is packed with people. But these young people are not naturally will be friends of US politicians as one panelist expected. Many of these young people do not like CPC, which is natural when there are so many restrictions. But, when they break out of the Great FIre Wall and find out so many misinterpretations and distortions of the facts on China, most of them gradually become strong supporters of CPC. Irony…
The same logic can apply that CCP are highly influenced by the west since Xi is wearing western suits.
So true.
if you go to mcdonald in china, they sell chinese food. rather than Chinese turning American, it is American that is turning Chinese.
Chinese are wise people.
Interesting… any material I can read more about this? Essays, books, interviews or articles? Thanks
I've noticed the trend of think tanks talking about china and it's flaws. Nothing about itself at all.
Enough of the century of humiliation. Enough of bullies.
Enough of warmongering. Enough of industrial-military complex promotion.
Here is the CCP Chinese Bot
@@Ping-cg6qi 军费投入有美国多吗？那个好战那个爱好和平，美国就是一个军工复合体，你们的前任总统已经给出了定论，不找敌人美国这个国家就没办法生存。
That is the voice of the world, and China is with them.
@@SonuDR007 wow, CIA bot is everywhere
tiktok users trend younger and guess who are the ones protesting against israel in American cities? THE YOUNG PEOPLE. The guy that pointed out Tiktok lost all credibility with that one. The younger demographic in America are definitely way more pro Palestine and Tiktok users being Genz/younger reflects that sentiment.
Strange that Taiwan is seen as a separate entity. That’s a dangerous perspective.! Taiwan is not independent. it is part of the Republic of China, who still exist because of the Reminence of 1949 retreat of the nationalist army Taiwan. The Republic of China still constitutionally an entity of all of China Mongolia in Taiwan. So Taiwan doesn’t exist as an island. so conceptually it is wrong to see Taiwan in itself. The problem is the democratic progressive party, advocating for secession of Taiwan from the Republic of China, AKA china that the peoples Republic of China installing control. No country in the world will allow any part of his territory, declaring independence and leaving its sovereignty. Taiwan is not an exception. The Americans and the west, politically purposefully create this narrative on democracy and right of determination of Taiwan. Taiwan has been recognized where is international papers and documents in the UN as part of China. The many communiques between the US and China from 1971 has similar recognition of the one China policy with Taiwan is part of. Sort of talk of defending Taiwan is purely political, it’s not only willfully trying to create tension and reason for war. If war happens. Due to such narratives, then it is highly unfortunate. And the US will have to pay a significant and painful price. China has already calculated that the US and her allies will be the target for war, and not war will not be in Taiwan but the Pacific Ocean… all US bases will be targeted. So please stop playing with fire aka Taiwan!
Having said so openly, would Matt and Eric take full responsibilities when US China war break out over Taiwan? How would they try to resolve or prevent such a war? Or they will want to continue egging for war?
Btw make up your minds! Is it TSMC or the defense of democracy over Taiwan? Crap moving around to justify a weak premise!
Eric, the protests in the US against Israeli attack on Gaza got the protesters arrested and brutally taken down in the universities! It happens in the US too!
Andrew and Matt have no idea what they were talking about. They don't have any concrete statistics. What their opinions are based on assumptions and ideologies instead of facts. They performed so badly like naive high school students. Is that the intelligence level they can achieve?
The analysis of TikTok is correct. Getting users to contact their senators. That is a political act
That's American law and every social media does it. If you don't like lobbying then ban it for all.
Andrew and Matt were profoundly disapppointing.
@@trekpac2 Not if you believe in defending democracy
Andrew guy does not know I am one of the Chinese, who finds him ridiculous and full of hatred.
General MacArthur underestimated the Chinese in the Korean war. Looks like history will repeat itself
“Don’t worry what China is doing wrong, but worry about what it is doing right.” Western pundits obsess over the same recycled bad news and then one day wake up to find their industries methodically taken over one by one.
Besides the Chinese, they underestimated the Vietnamese, the Afghans n now the Russians.
The reason why the US keep repeating the same mistakes is bcos they profit from their endless wars as whether they win or lose, those elites who have huge investments in the MIC are laughing their way to the bank. As usual it's their brainwashed public who have to bear the brunt of the burden
if money turned out to be the key factor, then it is not democracy
Looks like the other side is just too obsessed with the Chinese leader, not all the good things he/government had done and still doing.
Yes, from a Chinese perspective absolutely correct/possible to state. Yet from a Western perspective the point is to avoid WWIII to start at all and sorry to say, but Xi Jinping has given not a clear proof (this would be the start of WWIII), yet such strong signals that US has decided to change its long term positive mood on China within rather short time by 180° first to negative and I think now even to a certain level of hositility.
From my side I cannot understand why Xi Jinping dared to do this (may be mutual misunderstanding, yet he got clear US warning and despite this continued!), yet as a European being quite neutral with my background I do side 80% with US against what China does want or has done/is doing, while only on 20% I side with China against US.
You can use here the word obsessed, yet I think it does not really match as the US is taking permanently new firm positions (reacts on changes in China) and fills this new position case after case with actions where for example the recent 100% tariffs on electric cars (including Chinese production in Mexico!) can only be interpreted as hostile.
On the somehow positive side: US announced it is willing to continue issuing Visa's for, if I remember correct, up to 300.000 students and would also like to see more US students to go to China (this shrinked recently to only 800).
Who has paid for the tariffs imposed by Trump? Obviously, Americans paid and are still suffering from the inflation caused by these tariffs.
Lodey u r follower of that Tansmale Meghnad . That tells how much hold on geopolitics u have 🙄
It's obvious who is moving towards the other.... Crossing an ocean to provoke...
Attacking the Phillipines?
For calling the whole Country CCP doesn't make sense or it's showing that the Westerners still racist about other Countries's eternal issues
I see 99% beeing CCP (People's Republic of China) and 1% being democratic (Republic of China). Insided the People's Republic of China there existed also the special case of Hongkong, but Hongkong got crashed down and in mainland nobody dares to object CCP (this is not healthy/good).
Hi @Veronmath. I think what the US speakers were trying to say was more nuanced in that they meant "the whole country is CCP (govt led)" which would be true.
I think you know what democracy does mean (every few years all population will select either a party and/or a new president to guide it into the future - for this the party/potential presidents does need to present its/their thinking/ideas and everybody like you personally do take a decision who looks to be best for next few years and all decisions are counted to determine who will actually be the winning party and/or the new president).
As Western people we do understand that the way the rulership is determined in China is working in a completely different way. Not ALL PEOPLE (as in a democracy), but just the CCP delegates do determine who will be the new leader. Such completely different way to determine is described by the rather neutral wording "CCP leadership", other may exaggerate more as "CCP dictatorship" and mostly exaggerated would be "1-person Xi Jinping dictatorship", but in reality we just express by such wording a feeling of how we believe China is ruled and decisions are taken, yet it is quite impossible to understand what is really ongoing inside the CCP and how the several persons ruling China do interact, can and do control each other.
I cannot see any racist intention at all in such wording, but rather the try to describe China's system as exact as possible in comparison to Western systems. Please note, democracy is not democracy but you have a wide range of differences when looking into the details. A first 3 major separation could be basic democracy (all people taking all decisions together, an ideal, a dream reached best by Switzerland), parliamentary democracies (the most prominent example is UK, but also Japan, Germany, ...) and presidential democracies (2 prominent examples are US and France).
You knowing much better than Western people how the rulership system is working in China are welcome to propose better wording for China's rulership system, yet I believe you will fail to find better wording than the rather polite/neutral "CCP leadership" or the critic expressing "CCP dictatorship" (for Western people dictatorship is generally considered to be bad seeing the extreme experience of Hitler Germany and Military Japan around WWII, but also many other like italian Mussolini, spanish Franco or several countries in South America at certain times, ...).
The whole of USA is also run/led by the US government too. Same as every country with a national government..?
Matt: if all of your neighbors are armed to the teeth surrounding your home (military bases) and constantly displaying serious hostility (disguised as “freedom of navigation”, or “protection of democracy”), what would you do?
If China or Russia looks to invade you then make friends with America
The 2 Americans in the panel are certainly out of the league. Their understanding of China is appalling and what they actually knew were so outdated. Enough said!
其實我剛看了其中一個在台灣的節目，他是個極端反華者，當然目的是為了推銷軍火
Typical CCP response. People are stupid if they don't agree with the CCP
Or they deliberating misunderstand China
Peace talks & harmious agreement results that are honored are the only positive way forward to keep the populations if this world safe❤.
Afghanistan was not a war game. It was war. America lost.
It was an illegal war of aggression by the US empire.
Nonsense. We got Bin Laden and then we should have went home. Trying to help the Afghan people was a mistake but hindsight is always 20/20. The very same policy seems to be winning in Ukraine.
@@robbrown4621what’s happening in Ukraine is “winning” to you?
America won the battle fight but lost the ideology and overall mindset of a backward country. America also made billions in Afghanistan and gave away 65% of it back mostly to Afghanistan governments and warlords. Many in Afghan governments and warlords got rich ( including Taliban leaders). That country will forever be a basket 😂
@@camerond Yes. They are fighting for their lives and the life of their nation. They are holding their own and have prevented Putin from taking Ukraine. Yes, that is a huge victory, so far. Also Ukraine has large defeated the Russian navy and that's without Ukraine even having a navy. :)
The reason that this kind of debate happened is because China can effectively fight back if US starts a war.
Dr. Jin is not only brilliant, charming and an expert but also incredibly kind. When pouring water to herself she started by filling Mr. Ferguson's glass. This didn't go unnoticed. I'm in awe of this formidable lady!
I noticed that too. Respect.
@@Wyatt333Puhleaze. Pure performative politeness.
Zero percent facts Only arrogant double standard people 😂
What do you do? Copy and paste this CCP talking point on every geopolitics-related site you can find? Kinda lazy even for a wumao...
@@GeoScorpion LOL. What an intellectual rebuttal. Are you a product of US educaiton system?
The Chinese tech doesn't come with standard regulation required. Because the Uniparty only works w surveillance tools and high supports for IP THEFT
You should know that's the missing element in the CHEAP solution. But they would weep Poor Me and critical_race rubbish theory and so on. .
@@GeoScorpion cope
So strange listening to these adults that apparently represents their countries views yet it’s like school kids arguing about who is friends with who who said what to whom and who is to blame for what! Can’t we please for god sake have grownups at last in humanity? Seeing that we apparently evolve and we have so many with so much education? Humanity is sick and tired of warmongering
US has positioned itself to maintain a global order. And US has created this new global order after it won WWII. In the context to maintain this global order US needs permanently to adjust and fine-position on existing or new conflicts. A recent hot spot of adjustment and even completely new positioning is China. In this adjustments a lot of discussions are ongoing where people are asked to present their private opinion or the opinion of the organisation they are working for. The country position can only be expressed by people authorized to do so, like president, minister or official spokes persons.
I do not fully agree on "Humanity is sick and tired of warmongering". I think there is a very small percentage of warmongers (clearly visible on Ukraine) and there are quite a lot of people who are willing to fight for what they understand is their advantage or right/justice or global order or .... Having different views depending on your history, education and experience/own thinking the result is in worst case just contradictory views which again in worst case can result in gun fighting/war.
I personally believe any person as strong as it claims to be peaceful can be brought into a situation where this person will fight.
In this sense the correct target is to mimize fighting as much as possible, yet it is very difficult to see how this can work (Germany having lost after WWI also WWII and similar Japan having experienced the lost WWII and the power of atomic bombs are such case having established quite a strong sentiment against fight, preferring discussion/compromise, yet on Ukraine politicians/media worked hard to change this peaceful German mood and I understand similar is ongoing in Japan with growing fear on China becoming a giant -quite the contrary in US where people think the might of US military in both, attack as well as protection allows them to do whatever they think is appropriate).
@@friedhelmschroter8124 对，二战后美国的全球秩序就是，七八个国家在饭桌上，剩余一百多个国家都是他们的菜，兄弟醒醒吧！这样的好日子一去不复返了。哈哈！
Let's talk about national security instead of attacking China
1:02:30 Audience Scream at Matt: "US companies were willing to give their technologies to the Chinese in order to have access to their market ..." Correcting Matt's evil lies .. they should just go ahead and boot him off the stage.
American people always have voice but government just don’t get things done. Voice is just all in vain, just a joke.
China's governance appears more unwieldy than the U.S. Even though we have our 50 States and several protectorates, we have large ideological consensus groups. Primarily the conservative vs the liberal ideologies. China may have a much more complex provincial society.
We were talking about China as a threat in economic and financial terms long before either Xi or Trump came into the picture. This is much more than simply miscommunication. We have very different ambitions for the human race as a whole.
That Chinese speaker is so incredibly careful to stick to ccp's narrative. If he's not on their payroll, at least the ccp will l make sure he's welcome to mainland China and be treated with feasts and other goodies.
I love it. US hyperbole on display right here.
Eric is way out of line in his comments. Taiwan (including the islands all the way to Japan, including Okinawa) was given back to China after WWII, after Japan occupied it since the latter 1800s.
David is 100% on with his comments.
A thumb up for David’s illustration of sluicing sausages!
Of course each side is doing propaganda, but still there is the fact of justice! Invasion is evil, persecution is evil, suppression is evil, hegemony is evil!
And the US does all those evil things, persistently.
Anyone using ccp as the official title, don’t know and understand China.😂😂😂 look it up please, it is CPC
Taiwan keeps coming up as an issue. The two war mongers lied that Xi's position has changed as Xi is more aggressive and impatient. These arguments were demolished as Xi's position was proven to be consistent since Deng's days in the 80's. Xi too said that it may take generations for peaceful integration and reunification.
However, when asked the question whether US's policy and practice have changed. That question was deliberately side-stepped.
Verbally, the US claims to abide by the 2-China policy, which recognises China as the sole government and Taiwan as its province. In practice, it has not abide by the policy by (1) arming Taiwan, (2) sending US officials to Taiwan, (3) stationing US marines on Taiwan and its Kinmen Islands 5 km away from China, (4) making provision to recognise Taiwan as an 'independent entity' in the 2022 Competes Act.
Yet, when China reacts angrily to each of these infringements, it is said to be aggressive and ready to attack Taiwan.
According to UN Charter, Taiwan is a province of China. The civil war was unfinished as the US's Seventh Fleet blocked the Chinese from crossing into Taiwan.
Do you see how the two war mongers lied? The justification is always that Taiwan shoukd decide.
Should China fund and arm the separatist movements in stolen Hawaii to decide on their independence?
Military deterence is always given as the reason for US interference in Taiwan. Why not use dialogue instead of selliing more srms and weapons, with mediators acceptable to China and Taiwan to guarantee the peaceful status quo?
Americans have been lied to create a situation for more war funding of the weapons industry.
美國人不斷改變台灣政策，然後迫使習近平做出反應，接著就是美國人抹黑中國政府合理反應的過程，讓自己的改變合理化，繼續讓事態惡化，讓對手在輿論上成為壞蛋，美國最終成為英雄，我是說這是美國人的劇本😂😂
Matthew Pottinger is a caricature, a pathetic political hack right out of Dr. Strangelove. I take comfort in the fact that he will be remembered poorly by history.
Here's the last words !!!!! The greatest victories in wars are NO wars. Having said that, does not mean no need to prepare for one !!!!!! To be powerful does not mean can use it to suit yourself !!!! Responsibility & respect comes before anything !!!! Who does what ?? Leave it to your own believes.
what is the point of having these conversations? not informative at all
I am surprised that you even invited these two here, what do you expect, of course they are gonna lie, they are gonna change narratives, dodge questions. The so-called facts they give have nothing to do with reality in China.
Yep specially when two warmongering propagandists are part of the panel.
Andrew is consistently over exaggerating sh!+ There lol 😂 he even put Japan & Korea adopting nuclear on it 😂 he's totally extreme haha first time I thought Pottinger as moderate compared to Andrew. He's totally bought by the military industrial complex.
Being sick of Anglo-Saxon lies
They lie for sure, but for once this is not a lie. China is the enemy. And America is in big trouble this time.
Well NATO is Globalists just like WEF these Chinese are kidding up their behind
The scholar from China, David, disappointed both warmongers that China’s population decline is not going to damage its economy as they had hoped.
China does not need the USA market but the basic Americans need cheaper Chinese Goods!
opposite. China import food and oil, export shoes and electric toys.
@@chunmuhe4860enjoy your ignorance.
@@chunmuhe4860 It appears you lost your memory 20 years ago
Oh, in my understanding this sentence expresses an arrogance Chinese like to claim on Americans concerning their military might/actions ?!
Americans do enjoy cheap Chinese goods, but if their government would decide Americans will live some time without these cheap Chinese goods and set-up new factories in Mexico, India or whereever convenient and as a consequence the Chinese having produced these products will get unemployed. You can surely state China does not need employent by US purchase, yet I believe your colleagues suffering unemployment will think/state different.
You may also think in my view wrongly that China does not need US products, yet when the US block on the most advanced Semiconductors will start to act fully, let's see if you are still able to have access to the most advanced smart phones or China does advance to a 2nd or even 3rd world country on smart phones.
The US having on same land area just 350 million people while China with less good soil has to feed 1.400 million people can enjoy a quite good life on their internal ressources only. Even with same distribution on ressources US would have huge advantages, yet I believe China has less key ressources than US, the most prominent being oil where US can export, while China needs to import.
@@yaoliang1580 have a look at china 2023 customs data: as value top ten import products are fossil fuel, chips and bean etc. on export, are electric devices, such as phone , computers. car parts etc.
China wants respect, by not challenging USA but challenging first its neighbours, then penultimate neighbours etc. Who cares whether China wants to challenge usa or not but China's intention to invade it's neighbours is a proof. Without having engulfed vast land in the South( Tibet), in the West ( Turkmenistan) and in the North (Manchuria and Mangolia) , otherwise China will be a small land in it's East.
Talking about TSMC, i would say the US is not really caring about democracy in Taiwan, but its own interest to stay on top of the tech war. By the way, TSMC is not really owned by Taiwan, it's "owned" by the US, technology wise.
Correct, and Trump repeatedly said Taiwan stold it from US 😂😂.
If Taiwan falls, it makes no difference on supply of semiconductors. There will be another supplier. Get real... Technology change doesn't sit on TSMC only. Life goes on...
That technology can move is part of it. I don't see why TSMC no longer supplies chips as usual if Taiwan reunite with Mainland. Nowadays there are already lots of product dependencies on China, why aren't those national security concerns to the US?
This guy just refuses to listen to other's point: that Gentleman said very clear every US technology went to China was approved and executed by US Companies themselves. This technology for Access is just like the extra high price everyone paid to US technology: price for Goods. There is no "Steal" here and those CEOs are not stupid. They earned huge profits from outdated technologies, sometime several generation/decades old.
By the way, this Technology vs Access is the game all Developing Countries play all the time.
They’ll steal your children’s future: As proven at trial, Sinovel stole proprietary wind turbine technology from AMSC in order to produce its own turbines powered by the stolen intellectual property.
Well, what to do with the CEOs (and the boards of directors) who gave access with their eyes open is another conversation: The Select Committee on the CCP should definitely be doing hearings on them. That said, you can't apologize for IP theft with "well, everybody does it." If dealing with the PRC means having to put up with theft, then maybe the solution is to take our bat and ball and go somewhere else where people play by the rules...
@@GeoScorpion
Your arrogance is amazing. You are assuming all these Western CEOs and business leaders were not as smart as YOU are when they decided to invest in PRC.
@@qingzhou9983 My 'arrogance' is come by honestly and it isn't a question of intelligence. The 'Western CEOs and business leaders' are now doing exactly what I've been saying they were going to have to do for the past 5 years. Even Blackstone, BlackRock, Goldman Sachs, Elon Musk, Tim Cook are scrambling to get out AFTER doubling down and the only thing slowing them down is "Sunk Cost". If you don't believe me, walk down the street in Shanghai in the formerly bustling 'Foreign District' or compare the traffic (truck and ship) of ANY of the Chinese ports from 2019 -2023... and note the empty cargo containers stacked 7-10 high.
Sorry buddy, but you whiffed on this one.
@@GeoScorpionGiving technology in exchange aa part of joint venture was pretty common not just in China but also in countries like Korea. This was aldo happrning eith Korean automotive industries whrn they had this type of joint venture with the US and Japanese company. There was never any type of accusation when Korean gain their technology with this exact practice in 80s
The panel of guests is utterly imbalanced, with serious and extremist hawks on the western side while the show deliberately avoided to invite any hawkish guests from the east side.
There are hardly any hawk in the East.
Lmao. What two incredible war loving people fighting two incredible peace loving Chinese. Sad.
Two Chinese who defend Chinese actions against the west
If PRC gets control of Taiwan, the US led order will not permit TSMC to function. While TSMC has to know how to produce state of the art semi-conductor, it needs the global supply chain to support it. Specialized machinery, chemicals, and software from Holland, US, Japan and others. The disruption of semi conductor production will be for at least 2 to 3 years.
I can't stand Ferguson. Reminds me of lord farquaad. His self importedness can fill the colosseum.
Every time he opens his mouth cash registers are ringing
He is opportunist, has no principles, this kind of guy is most dangerous character because he pretends to people he is either left or right, inside his mind all he cares about is his personal gain, he is a fake character trying to confuse people when he opens his big mouth!
Because he's totally behind US hegemony and a total hypocrite.
China is building fielded hospitals and stock piling fuel/blood and food near Taiwan!!
Xi talking about chaos was chaos created by western governments he referred to
In the hand of spinners, it's Xi wanting chaos!
Re Taiwan. Take the cost of military preparation and/or war on both sides, what do you get, $14T? $6T? Something like that? Okay, instead, give grants to people in the two Chinas to form families, something reasonable, $100k to $500k, maybe add bonuses for child care. Wait 10-20 years. You will have so many families with parents from both Chinas, there will no longer be any problem with wars. Just a thought experiment. It addresses the population decline, it's not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than war. Stop talking war, stop thinking it's inevitable. AI will be able to tell you this in ten years, I'm telling you as a human today, you're welcome.
China and Russia in BRICS and their borders that’s why they have lots to meet about
😂😂
And because u.s. drove putin away, and into xi's arms.
Leave it to our overlords to continually do the wrong thing
Defending Taiwan is a good thing to do!
But please do not forget in the 60s Marshall Chiang Kai Shek had had the master plan to liberate China mainland by the Chinese National forces.
But the US did not wanna be the patron of the invasion.
Instead of insulting the ROC (Taiwan) by opening up the so called PRC & then kicked the ROC out if the UN.
And what the next following no one needed to talk about.
Misinterpretation of China will lead to miscalculation that will lead to the possibility of conflict between China and U.S., especially in the issues of Taiwan and the South China Sea. 30:22
Miss understanding of America could also cause war
@@Andy-P 无知的可怕，享受你的傲慢吧！
@@生张-r7z CCP response - insults then arrest! No one allowed to have a different narrative to the CCP
XI JINPING IS NOTHING LIKE HE DESCRIPTED.....XI WHEN YOUNG LOVE AMERICA HUNTIL TODAY..STILL HV FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE AMERICAN FAMILY WHO HOSTED HIM DURING HIS STAY IN USA ! THEY MADE IT A POINT TO STUDY USA ..BECAME CONVINCED ...China cannot be allow to become another USA and for good reason too...😅😂
My friend who got fired for doing unethical things at work constantly displays grudges against his previous employer, and openly makes up false accusations too.
We understand you, Mr. Hawkish guest (Andrew?).
美国恐惧中国至行为異常，不敢面对挑战弱智表现很悲哀。
加税，制裁，围堵是国力強大可行，面对实力在你之上是困住自己，去美元断美经济习近平火大时唯一选项，美国经得起中美经济中断吗？中国可渡过困难。
As of 2024, the United States maintains an estimated total of approximately 5,044 nuclear warheads. This includes around 1,770 deployed warheads, 1,938 reserved for operational forces, and an additional 1,336 retired warheads awaiting dismantlement .
In contrast, China has approximately 500 nuclear warheads. While the exact number of deployed warheads is less clear. Really America is the pot calling the kettle black.
Always the Hypocrites
Answer: USA has gone off the deep end grieving the loss of its unipolar moment and could stumble into a war with China, Taiwan being the proximate cause if not the actual cause. Viewers should note that both the PRC and ROC constitution recognize the principle of One China and claim sovereignty for both the mainland and Taiwan province. China is a sovereign country with a right to maintain a defensive military. That Xi has set a target for readiness for a war over Taiwan in the face of US meddling is reasonable. Furthermore, China is the only nuclear armed nation with a no first use doctrine, while the USA is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons (twice, in East Asia) and continues to maintain a nuclear first-use doctrine; in that context, what wouldn't China position itself for a position of strength on MAD? Edit to add: Niall Ferguson is still a pompous ass, it is comforting in a time of global instability to have that constant.
Is this world orderfair? That's the question you ask yourself. If not, sure, China has a right to challenge it to be better, later India and any developing countries should. Not by invading west but changing rules of economy and trade.
China has stand up, America. Get used to it.
Keyu stated that young Chinese are highly influenced by Western culture. That’s true. If you visit Chinese cities, Starbucks and McDonalds are flourishing, Shanghai Disney is packed with people. But these young people are not naturally will be friends of US politicians as one panelist expected. Many of these young people do not like CPC, which is natural when there are so many restrictions. But, when they break out of the Great FIre Wall and find out so many misinterpretations and distortions of the facts on China, most of them gradually become strong supporters of CPC. Irony…
Why is USA so concern about human rights in China when most Chinese is doing better comparable to those in Africa, India and many other poor countries? USA must first sincerely exemplary resolve human rights and poverties in these poor countries first.
Human rights are not measured in dollars
@@lynnelee4390 it seem to be with the US... Israeli are rich so they have more right, Palastinian are poor so they have less right...
'Axis of Evil'. ?? A convenient catch phrase, but does Lindsay Graham - a thoroughly evil man himself - have any right what to label other people as evil ?
Chinese Experts: Nothing to see here, it’s all a big misunderstanding.
USA Experts: The forest is on fire and we need more water.
Matt, always playing the victim. Beijing is exerting pressure on the US by not allowing the 7th fleet within 6 miles of the coast. Beijing is also exerting pressure on the US by not supporting US policy on Israel. I believe the lady who said that the greatest threat to the US is not from the outside.
Lmao. What two incredible war loving people fighting two incredible peace loving Chinese. Sad.
If America stops poking its nose in the South China Sea Taiwanese parliament will unilaterally pass a resolution to become an autonomous region of China like Hong Kong has become. 90 % of Chinese trade flows through the South China Sea, so they are vested in keeping the sea lanes free for international navigation. America has no such interest, in fact it still needs to rectify the international navigation law.
That the biggest CCP lie. Taiwanese don't want to be ruled by Beijing