Facing a Raise with a Straight Draw
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- PokerCoaching.com Jonathan Little flops open ended straight draw, continuation bets, and then faces a raise. This is a situation where you have to take a moment to assess your opponent’s range and figure out how often he will call if you apply additional aggression. If you have a lot of fold equity, it is often wise to blast all your money in.
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This series is absolutely brilliant. Each clip usually has many different fundamentals featured and give an excellent, informative and entertaining insight into hand reading ranges and effective poker. Ty, Jonathan.
I’d be curious on your analysis if the 4c was 4s. If I were “lag” and sitting on any set or AKs on that “new flop,” I’d be raising and trying to protect my made hands but also be applying max pressure for a draw heavy combination with AKs. Thoughts?
Watching some older content, this was very helpful and makes a ton of sense now and I thank you for that insight. Before I watched this video, I will profess that I took the line of calling the opponent's raise and then folding on the turn because the turn was a brick. Jonathan, is there any ways that you are able to group your videos by subject areas in TH-cam?
Is the button's raise one to induce a "free river" with a suited drawing hand like QT, 76, 75, 56? You say he's loose aggressive, so maybe this player wouldn't take such a passive line.
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Kevin Davis Your grammar still needs work.
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If he raises with top pair, doesn't he just call your jam?
Probably does. But first you need to realise that Jonathan raised from UTG - he's going to have all the overpairs. Raising TP here unless it's exactly AJ is really bad and even that is questionable - you want to protect your calling range but also you don't want to raise this flop IP much at all anyway facing a normal sized c-bet. If we know our opponents raise TP here, we get to exploit them in all different ways.
2nd is that as he explains in the video he's balanced here with sets. He's already exploiting opponent if he decides to raise/call his TP pair hands because he's crushing with his set and still has plenty of equity with his draw. So he's making a significant amount of chip eV by jamming here with the range he said regardless of opponent calling with his top pairs.
Great video
Jon, nice exploitative play. I love all our videos, but would strongly disagree with this line. Pls share your thougts on this thought processs -
Reasons -
1. When we bet this board from OOP, our check call range becomes really weak.
I'm assuiming our check call range would be -- (A) marginal made hands = KJs, QJs, A8s and some K/Q high flush draws, (B) Nuts - JJ, AA
Hence, when we bet this board, our opponent should definitely overfold. And, exploit us by cbetting 100% when we check.
2. Now on the flop, when opponent raises, he is super polarized by raising our already nut-heavy polarized range.
By jamming here, no worse hands calls us - and we fold out his bluffs. Not exactly the outcome we want.
IMO, we should check almost entire range here. And, if we bet flop, call 3bet. And, check shove turn (a lot of turns improve our range) or lead river if turn went check-check.
Would love to hear from you.
Cheers!
Well said, you opinion is full of food for thought. I am also asking myself if this is a profitable game in the long run for MTTs or not. I would jam only if I have faced a lot of raise from the particular player. Otherwise I think Check-call eventually fold is the best option.
Seems high variance. How do you keep from trembling on this semi-bluff?
World class.
I think this was a good move and I wouldn't have done it or even thought pf it before watching this video but considering your "opponent" was an bit of a maniac and probably didn't have much to call you with "if anything" then this was the perfect move, if your opponent would have paired the 8 it would have been 50-50 coin toss with the up and down straight outs "8" and the 9's and 10's another "6" outs you would be even but since he folded I think he probably didn't have nothing at all period or possibly middle pair because he didn't fold a set, he didn't fold and ace jack and I doubt he folded a jack10 or jack queen because I probably would have called if I ever seen you turn your cards over and have such a hand under the gun, if I want to play a hand under the gun like that I'd probably min-raise or flat call expecting to call a raise and at that point their might be a few more people in on the hand making it actually worth it to play the hand even if everyone played their cards face up after the flop.......
Would you still shove if a TAG raised you in a similar way?
i followed this approach and lost a lot of money coz I all-in straight draw every time.
Why would you ever go all in on every straight draw? Stop playing poker with real money.
This is what you would so if you think your opponent is bluffing you and you better be sure of it and just because someone is bluffing you doesn't mean you could beat their bluff if the cards are turned over...
where in the video does jonathan say to go all in with straight draws every time? you're completely missing the context of the hand and situation. In this hand, Jonathan was UTG and his range therefore is very narrow - he only has T9s as a good straight draw in this spot. If you're opening all T9o hands on the button and then shoving all T9o on this exact flop then you're going to be way too unbalanced and have way too many bluffs.
Would you be more prone to just call if you were in position here and see what developed on the turn (if he check raised)? Being OOP your line makes a lot of sense since missing on the turn leads to a lot of folds since he will bet often if you check, forcing you out.
Usually I call in position when getting decent odds.
New viewer.Lol,Tks coach
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Flat and bomb all turns?
Sure, especially if you think he never folds made hands or draws to a flop jam.
Nice hand. I wouldn't reraise with QQ (07:05) here, though, because I'm blocking hands in his bluffing range (QT, Q9) but not any hands in his value range. KK and AA are better hands to raise all-in IMO. Please tell me what you think :)
That seems reasonable. It just depends on how often you want to bluff, if you want to jam all gutshots, you might need more value hands to stay balanced.
@@PokerCoaching Cool. Thanks for the reply. Maybe AJ is a better hand than QQ to raise all-in with in case you need more value hands? (With AJ you also block slowplayed AA)
Ah shut up!
Would you also jam 10 9 diamonds?
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So it seems like I would make the right play here, but the difference for me is that LAG would call and I would lose 100% of the time
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So I feel like your decision to shove in this spot got distilled down to "I know the guy and he's kind of splashy". That doesn't seem like a very good take-away for general poker learning. What if the guy on the button was a straight-up ABC player who always bet his made hands, checked his draws, and folded his missed hands? For a more straightforward player, hands like KJ, QJ, J8(suited) can certainly be hands someone overcalling on the button could show up with? And these would certainly be holdings that would 2-bet and potentially call a shove from your position, no? The casinos where I frequently play, there are a LOT of passive stubborn players who aren't necessarily aggressive, but will never fold top pair on a board like this, let alone top 2. In scenarios like the one I've described, would shoving still be your suggestion? Or would you recommend a different bet-line?
0:30 Right, diamonds are the worst.
I’ll explain why this won’t work 99 percent of the time on any internet poker site. He will call with 2/3 off suit then hit 3, 3 on the turn and river.
Pretty sure your ahead of pocket 5’s on the flop....