@@alphavader951 Yeah, irl castle siege would be the attackers building a temp wall outside the castle flinging dead animals and shit over the wall then letting starvation and disease kill everyone inside over months. Assaulting a castle was a LAST resort.
I used your tactics to defend my first castle in my first kingdom ever. Fought off 800 with 400 then 600 with 200, however I'm struggling rn due to the fact they just got reinforced to 1400 and my army is down to 200. Wish me luck boys
in my playthroughs I always annex a castle and defend it with a few soldiers (under 150) against thousands.... it is not a big deal at all.. they are really dumb. fire mangonels give you explosive hell that can take down hundreds of soldiers and rest run with fear... you can take down a whole one ladder side attack with fire mangonel ammo and then take down any attacker who goes through the gate with regular stones... this way, you can optimize your kill count quite easily.
Remember the times when you could just „retreat“ your party while defending a fief and let them rush the walls once again? That was totally gamebreaking and, to this day, I cannot imagine who came up with it😂
Great siege! I do wish there were more opportunities to have fights go beyond the walls in siege battles instead of just ending at the walls. All these unique and hand crafted cities with twisting alleys and they never see any defensive use unless you willingly pull off the walls to use them, which you almost never need to do because the fight will typically end at the walls.
@@Nick-hi9gx yeah you want the fight to stop at the walls lol but I’d say if we had fallback options that would be great. The ability to set a defensive line and hold the rest of the garrison in reserve in rear choke points would be so ideal. If the defensive line breaks, the reserve can Thermopylae the f outta the enemy army in the alleys and you could essentially gridlock them in an attritional nightmare
Fights carrying on into city streets is sort of a modern phenomenon. During antiquity and medieval times, if the walls of a settlement or castle fell, the battle was basically over. The remaining defenders would typically just surrender at that point, as there's no realistic chance of them turning the battle around and no reason for them to fight to the last man. Resisting the attacking force in streets fights would just make the eventual sacking of the settlement all the more brutal.
@@DovahFett This is so incorrect. Keeps exist for this exact reason, as a fallback point. People fought inside Rome, inside Argos, inside Carthage, inside Paris, inside Jerusalem multiple times, and so, so many more. LOTS of sieges came down to fighting within a part of the city. If the walls are captured, YOU DO NOT CAPITULATE unless given some sort of deal from the enemy commander. Because that means, by the ancient "rules" of combat, that a sack is incoming. No, you pull back to a keep or fortified position and try to negotiate a surrender.
I used something similar yesterday. I fought khuzaits so I decided to let them in through gate and make a killzone, worked until they didn't climb the walls with ladders so I pulled back my troops into the town and there was a nice set of barricades and right behind those stairs and a patio, so I placed my infantry within barricades at the entrance to the stairs and my archers at the top on the patio. Last stand proved efficient. With enemy pushing like a giant swarm we've managed to stop them on a shield wall and let archers kill the sitting ducks. Nice that you had inner castle with separate gate to work with in this example
@@brendanlund6959 true to that, many do but not all. This is great as a last stand resort often providing as good defense if not better than the main wall
I just started a campaign using some of the mods you listed as "must haves" in a previous video and I'm really enjoying them. Tutelage is such a game changer when it comes to companions I don't think I'll ever play without it again :P
Yeah seriously, I wish they would add tutelage to the base game! Especially since they limit how many companions you can have at once, it's definitely not OP. Maybe for an army of 100+ companions it's a little OP lol
@@Strat-Guides I went a little further this morning and added the "Useful Companions" mod. I dont know everything it does yet but having the ability to get your quartermaster to manage your food supplies automatically and assign a budget to that purpose is really neat so far. Tutelage with 100+ companions must be nuts on the notification side xD That character sheet button at the bottom left of the screen has a red ping on it permanently xD
I actually played this specific defense last night and the enemy outnumbered me by 3x as I only had 550 troops under my command. Fortunately they were only sending one siege tower and a ram at me and the walls were tier 2. And the tower that was sent was on the far left path. What I did, is when that ram started making that final turn to line up with the main gate, I sent a sortie out with all of the infantry holding gate and a troop of archers that i had in reserve. Destroyed the ram and had the infantry hold position there. The archers I moved over to a flanking position to take out a glob of enemy archers behind barricades. The enemy was reinforced and at that point I had lost only about 30-40 guys. Re-aligned my sortie to at the bend in the road on the final approach of the gate and put my archers off the right flank of them and decimated their reinforcements pretty quickly. On their next reinforcement, they sent their entire army at my sortie that time around and I finally had to retreat back inside. But the damage was done, since the ram was destroyed and they could only attack one section of wall, they eventually broke and I won the day!!! It was a great battle. Probably one of my favorite scenes to defend and attack on because the castle is pretty segmented.
Good thing about the early stages of a battle is that both sides start out with high tier troops. If this were to be an open battle you would have lost from sheer numbers so it was good it was a siege defense. You can pick off those quality troops with your siege engines whittling down their powerful units until they send in lesser powerful troops, putting the fight in your favor. Either they get cut down or they are put in a rout
I think guys were passing you down the stairs trying to leave to go man the siege on the walls, they seem to try to do that even if under your control as long as there's one with ammo, and the ballista never runs out, so I've had to disable them during in-depth defenses
Wished morale is more specific during these clashes. Like if a noble dies then the troops they're commanding will take a morale hit and start retreating while also affecting the morale of other troops as they retreat.
I wish morale hit could also remove units from battlefield even if they after a while (for example 2 minutes after routing) wont get to fort/edge of a map. Far too many sieges ended up with retreat and repeated attack because 1-5 defenders spawned inside walls, barns or other inaccessible areas and couldnt run away, join a fight or be killed and my 800 member army just stood there not able to do anything.
Yeah, if only such victories mattered. Calradians breed like rabbits, arms and armor not only grow on trees but they give crops as if they were planted on the Nile delta.
And in the banner kings mod these battles matter af. Especially with realistic battle mod, where high tier troops have even more impact. This battle would win you the war most likely, unless you’re fighting a superpower which owns 1/2 the map
the archers that were running past you were from the group on the far end of the wall. when you ordered them to get closer to the gatehouse some decided to man the 'pocket' due to weird bunching and pathfinding for that fallback, since tale worlds never anticipated using that for what it was intended (as a fallback for siege defense).
I tried to do this defending Varnovapol, retreating to the great keep overlooking the town and docks. In that town this was not possible, as the attacking AI army was content with claiming the outer wall and never pushed into the city proper. AI AFKing at the walls is plagueing many cities, I know this happened to me defending Epicrotea as well.
One thing I wish they had on defensive sieges is points on the walls and towers that if you told a group to go there it'd make them garrison that part of the wall/tower
Yeah that would be really nice to have. There's a mod called scatter around that you could probably use to do that, but you have to place every unit individually...
Tips for defensive siegers, use the new ambush system to get rid of any offensive siege engines. They will immediately begin their assault regardless of what engines they have left. Your mangonels will kill hundreds and they will have nothing but ladders. I ran off 2500 men from a city with 500 defenders with this method (and 150 Khan's Guard)
I would've never thought to abandon the walls to defend in a narrower space to take advantage of possibly more experienced and better equipped troops to fight against more numbers...
Very nice. I can't seem to get into any fun, crazy siege defenses like this in my game. Always too far away to get into the keep before the fighting starts. Doing an honorable/good guy run and not raiding villages, so I have to go far from the front to the cities that have good prosperity for supplies. Just always seem to be away from the fighting right now. Also, my single party of 330 scares off most/all other parties. Even some armies of similar numbers. Almost as if they know, they cannot take me and it would be suicide. Because of this I also got a little cringe and gave myself an edge-lord title of "The Thunderer"
Yeah that's the toughest part - the fief needs to appear weak to the AI before they even attempt to attack it and usually with the player inside it scares most away (unless they have a massive army)
They should add an usable second level of defense and remove those houses attached to the walls during sieges. I honestly liked more how the siege map works in full invasion 3
You can do it even 200v2000 when they build two siege towers. They are doomed. The catapults normally break these towers, but they fail to do it with the ram. So once the ram is near the gates, you jump on top of it. The troops inside run out to kill you but you're on top. After a while they flee from the battlefield and you capture almost all the 2000 as prisoners.
I always use tactics like this in Total War, when the enemy outnumbers you very heavily and has some good siege equipment maning the walls is pointless except for those early shots. Better to pull back and use the cities alleys to form killzones where their numbers won't do them no good
These videos helped me quite a bit with my tactics in bannerlord, now I usually win battles with little to no casualties, only seeing some deaths when I'm outnumbered But it is still usually a very good victory
Just defended my first 400 vs 1400 and then 500 vs 2400, felt really good. Literally all I did was build 4 catapults (my guy's an engie/archer so it's fast and they're fire versions) and was picking via sniping the guys pushing the ram to slow it down, it was significant enough to give the catapults time to destroy it before it reached the gate and then it was just a battle of attrition. Reinforced one side of the wall heavier with trooper than the other and went to the other one myself and was picking off guys climbing the ladders. Skills like "make the difference" which boost your troops morale when you get a kill mixed with the fact that headshots demoralize enemies works just great, also the banner that reduces the melee damage your unites receive by 15%, just chef's kiss
There is a much simpler way to do this (I assume this is more known) but I call it the straxagy, Step 1: acquire two handed weapon (axes work best) Step 2: use “ambush” function and destroy siege batteries with axe Step 3: spawn at ladders Step 4: smash the skulls of your foes as they climb up the ladder This strategy works best with cavalry and Stugian heavy axe men.
i had a very similar gate hold last year on my aserai run. i made a mod that gave veterans the chance to have maces, and it was totally the force multiplier that swung the battle in our favor. i only had about 50 or so veterans displaced amongst 400 or so mameluke soldiers and footman. the veterans with maces being able to deal armor piercing damage while being surrounded by chaff made such an incredible line that held for days
I never see anyone ambush in these videos (I get your purpose here though). That’s like a priority for me when I’m defending & outnumbered. Especially if I wait until the very last second to retreat and snipe off a few nobles rushing in as reinforcements
I appreciate the kind words! Yeah I know what you mean. I usually gravitate towards games that are more realistic and give a sense of what life was like at certain times in history (as opposed to most mainstream games). I watch a lot of documentaries on history, but it's hard to beat the feeling of commanding a digital army in battle lol
I used the same type of tatics it works great. Till you accidentally give orders to wrong unit in the heat of the moment or the AI starts doing mount and blade AI things. I really wish they make it to where you can use spears with shields up. So pike walls and such work better. It would be perfect for moments like this
ı love that you dont only recognise western commanders like some people "like Halid bin Velid or Emir Tımur " you are good at statistics and strategy ı lıke to see you makıng content at other games or areas and do you listen to ahmet sezgin ? dude as a Turk that suprised me
This is a great cuz I used some of these strategies but mixed in my own for example I mostly had more archers than soldiers and I had more Archer Calvary so what I did is I used all of my calves to harass the enemy going back and forth well I got my archers in range of their troops who were in formation taking them out one-by-one so then I would send the little few of my elite melee soldiers to take out the rest and as for my castle defense strategy they would get near the ladders and I would through the explosive jars at the one gathering near the latter
My best strategy is to ambush them when given the choice and have your troops charge at the enemy and keep them busy while you use a polearm or ace to destroy the rams and towers. After, retreat and then engage the enemy and use the catapaults to knock out the enemies and when they get close, standby the ladders and shoot down the guys climbing up the ladders by aiming to get headshots. The enemies will eventually flee. Repeat as needed until youre strong enough to sally out or auto resolve.
Yeah I usually just hold the outer walls choke points, And hope for the best. Luckily I haven't failed to hold them yet, but I have never tried to hold off an army of *that* size before. Even then before seeing this video I would have been too stubborn and still tried to just hold the outer wall choke points.
I'll never forget me one banner night 13 britannian Max tier Bowman and six crossbowmen as well as two catapults. I beat an army of 1,735 This was back when you could retreat your army as a defender and just restart the siege
I'm telling you Strat if the year was 2001 I would be trying to sweet talk you into my professional counterstrike clan. You have the hand eye coordination to play with us back then.
Haha yeah 2001 is the key word! I'm too old to be good at FPS games these days :P I'm in my 30s now and I can tell a huge difference from back then sadly
I wonder what's happening in my game.. I have ~300 troops and I've been holding off an army of 1200 for about 6 rounds now... They got reinforced at one point but I'm amazed at how good the game's natural defenses are for me. The siege towers and rams get destroyed by my artillery and me dropping fire bombs onto them. I have my melee stationed at walls for the ladders. Like I said, somethings happening in my game because its stupid easy. I'm on all normal settings but I really feel like I could take on an army of 3000! Your videos awesome you inspired me to try siege defense and its fun af!
Bannerlord Siege: Strategic placement in battle, as well as artillery and archer fire is the key to defending the keep. Warband Siege: CHOP CHOP CHOP ON THE LADDER DWELLERS!
Nice! I had a few mods active for this battle like RBM and was mostly bandit troops which have really low tier armor and weapons, so this was actually quite a tough battle. In the base game, if you take out the siege equipment it's definitely possible to win battles like that so it sounds like you had an amazing defense going :)
I fought a battle as vassal of Aseari that was 400 against 1440. 172 were my personal army the rest were garrison troops and militia. I personally killed around 700 enemies. Mostly headshotting guys with a 2 handed mace or axe as they came up a ladder. Too much fun.🤘
this makes me remeber stronhold game i used to play the demo at highest difficulty and won by strategy likeoiling the world structures they would attack and burning my own people with them. Cruel but effective one civilian for many enemies, or spawn kill their siege weapons as i knew the spawn point i build a tower close to it and fill it with hundred of archer and just sit and watch them die.
V nice. I can't wait till the keep and fall back positions are really implemented into the game. My first ever seige def was of my first ever caslte, Usanc - I believe I was defending it with 200-300 men against a Aserai army of 2,000 and won. Stacked the walls with high tier infantry and i think i got lucky that their ram was destroyed and only had ladders.
Actually I never thing about going back to the keep as an tactic. Because I prefer to have automated orders for castle defense. Looks like AI can manage somehow manual orders in castle defense but as we see with some problems of course.
The biggest issue is taking your units off of scatter formation when you want to control them. By default they are on scatter and if you give them commands, scatter formation takes over and moves them anyways so you need to put them in line formation or something other than scatter
I don't know why you disabled the ability for people to be wounded rather than killed, resulting in so many companions being lost. I know Mount and Blade can be a bit generous with the wounded/death ratios, especially for hero units, but it's not entirely unrealistic for people to survive being wounded sometimes. Plus what is the point of the medicine skill with this mod set up?
During sieges, numerical superiority plays little role, because the attackers always go through narrow passages that are very easy to control by elite infantry.
Hey, have you heard of the banzai charge strategy? This strategy is first defeating the thing that will destroy your gate by going outside, then the ai will stand behind it, hold your formation, if you can get at least a few archers to weaken the army in front of the gate, after they're weak enough launch a charge.
Another strategy is called the dirty move, it's where you make it completely unfair, this is a offense strategy, you put your men Infront of the gate, break it down, then attract the defending soldiers lead them into your soldier, and archer death pit, because your archers will be on the flank out of being able to be shot, then everytime you get further away they retreat then keep doing it.
This guy is like Gandalf running around with a horse in the city constantly giving orders and the end beat people with the staff next you need is summoning eagles and making magic tricks
I was in an attack that had me outnumbered 2-1 yesterday with no good terrain to position my troops on BUT lucked out since on my advance towards the enemy I came across a river that that was crossable but slowed you down a lot so I positioned my archers on my side of the creek with cavalry was poised to charge through the enemy line while the archers peppered them with arrows as the enemy tried to cross to attack me, didn’t lose a single troop…beautiful
My defense strategy is to win more and less is the first case if I have 1 gate breaker and 2 tower vehicles, I will destroy 1 tower vehicle first, then go to the gate buster, leaving 1 tower vehicle for focus protection. 1 place, then when the enemy army shows up all the tower vehicles, we will destroy that place to kill most of the enemy troops, then def continue
If I can take down the siege towers, I tend to just manually pick up the bombs and rocks and toss them at the infantry assaulting the ladders and main gate. It usually goes well enough to force a retreat before I start taking heavy losses, allowing me to win even when outnumbered 3:1
"using real military tactics" **proceeds to climb stairs and ride a horse on the siege walls**
Lol horse parkour isn't a real thing?! :P
That's common in medieval times I'm sure 😂
It's real. I saw Gandalf do it at the Battle of Minas Tirith.
Just like Gandalf
@@bombidil3 Problem is thats also fictional and not real ahah
Strat: yaaay we won!
Every single companion's dead body on the ground:
Lol life's tough as a steppe bandit :)
that is the " I won but at what cost......"
Your life is a sacrifice I am willing to make!!
I think a irl castle Siege would far worse then what bannerlord 2 or any game could produce.
@@alphavader951 Yeah, irl castle siege would be the attackers building a temp wall outside the castle flinging dead animals and shit over the wall then letting starvation and disease kill everyone inside over months. Assaulting a castle was a LAST resort.
I used your tactics to defend my first castle in my first kingdom ever. Fought off 800 with 400 then 600 with 200, however I'm struggling rn due to the fact they just got reinforced to 1400 and my army is down to 200. Wish me luck boys
Your doomed surrender you don’t stand a chance…if you bend the knee they may let you live
Oh man, make sure the onagers take out the siege equipment! You might have a chance if it's 1 siege tower left
RUN!
in my playthroughs I always annex a castle and defend it with a few soldiers (under 150) against thousands.... it is not a big deal at all.. they are really dumb. fire mangonels give you explosive hell that can take down hundreds of soldiers and rest run with fear... you can take down a whole one ladder side attack with fire mangonel ammo and then take down any attacker who goes through the gate with regular stones... this way, you can optimize your kill count quite easily.
@@sovereign6445 THE FREE FOLK NEVER BEND THE KNEE
I just finished watching Amir Timur's latest campaign. I died defending that castle, but we took the victory. Awesome tactics from our commander! :D
And you had just recently joined too, but still you fought to the bitter end :D
How do you join?
Remember the times when you could just „retreat“ your party while defending a fief and let them rush the walls once again? That was totally gamebreaking and, to this day, I cannot imagine who came up with it😂
Haha yeah I used to do that with a small garrison of Fians and a ballista :P
I believe you can still do that in open field battle :D At least you could have in 1.03
@@anupew3276 yes you‘re right
you still can lol. just open the gates and rush out to the out of bounds location and you automatically "retreat" and reset the battle
This was an epic battle, a little beter organisation could save a few lives, but noone can be perfect.
Yeah I fail all of you in that battle :*(
Come on dude
beat kind of video
Lol
Lol i saw ur name at 10:04 ur sacrifice was worth it ur comrades live
Great siege! I do wish there were more opportunities to have fights go beyond the walls in siege battles instead of just ending at the walls. All these unique and hand crafted cities with twisting alleys and they never see any defensive use unless you willingly pull off the walls to use them, which you almost never need to do because the fight will typically end at the walls.
Yeah I agree, they could do so much with sieges! Hopefully the modders can help out
I mean, that IS kind of the point of walls, but I do get wanting to play more variation. At least defensive sieges actually happen now.
@@Nick-hi9gx yeah you want the fight to stop at the walls lol but I’d say if we had fallback options that would be great. The ability to set a defensive line and hold the rest of the garrison in reserve in rear choke points would be so ideal. If the defensive line breaks, the reserve can Thermopylae the f outta the enemy army in the alleys and you could essentially gridlock them in an attritional nightmare
Fights carrying on into city streets is sort of a modern phenomenon. During antiquity and medieval times, if the walls of a settlement or castle fell, the battle was basically over. The remaining defenders would typically just surrender at that point, as there's no realistic chance of them turning the battle around and no reason for them to fight to the last man. Resisting the attacking force in streets fights would just make the eventual sacking of the settlement all the more brutal.
@@DovahFett This is so incorrect. Keeps exist for this exact reason, as a fallback point. People fought inside Rome, inside Argos, inside Carthage, inside Paris, inside Jerusalem multiple times, and so, so many more. LOTS of sieges came down to fighting within a part of the city.
If the walls are captured, YOU DO NOT CAPITULATE unless given some sort of deal from the enemy commander. Because that means, by the ancient "rules" of combat, that a sack is incoming. No, you pull back to a keep or fortified position and try to negotiate a surrender.
For those who might want to know, the background songs are from Karolina Cicha's Crimean Tatar album.
Yes, thank you!
I used something similar yesterday. I fought khuzaits so I decided to let them in through gate and make a killzone, worked until they didn't climb the walls with ladders so I pulled back my troops into the town and there was a nice set of barricades and right behind those stairs and a patio, so I placed my infantry within barricades at the entrance to the stairs and my archers at the top on the patio. Last stand proved efficient. With enemy pushing like a giant swarm we've managed to stop them on a shield wall and let archers kill the sitting ducks. Nice that you had inner castle with separate gate to work with in this example
After watching this, I feel like all the castles should have a "keep" kind of fall back position that's still highly defensible.
@@brendanlund6959 true to that, many do but not all. This is great as a last stand resort often providing as good defense if not better than the main wall
God I love how the algorithm helped me find this channel, loving the videos I'm obsessed.
I'm glad you're enjoying these! :D
I just started a campaign using some of the mods you listed as "must haves" in a previous video and I'm really enjoying them. Tutelage is such a game changer when it comes to companions I don't think I'll ever play without it again :P
Yeah seriously, I wish they would add tutelage to the base game! Especially since they limit how many companions you can have at once, it's definitely not OP. Maybe for an army of 100+ companions it's a little OP lol
@@Strat-Guides companions 100% broken. Coz tier 6÷7 troops R so limited at stats and skills, companions not.
@@Strat-Guides I went a little further this morning and added the "Useful Companions" mod. I dont know everything it does yet but having the ability to get your quartermaster to manage your food supplies automatically and assign a budget to that purpose is really neat so far. Tutelage with 100+ companions must be nuts on the notification side xD That character sheet button at the bottom left of the screen has a red ping on it permanently xD
Every time SGG sees a few red pop ups:
“Yeah we are taking some heavy casualties”
I love how he consistently does this throughout all his videos
You can put yourself (on horse) on the walls before the battle even starts, by making yourself captain of a group and positioning it
Ooh that's a good idea - plus you get the captain perks
or you make yourself part of the group, that’s work too… minus the captain perk
@@fitzwaren Oh yeah in the recent patch you can put characters into groups without making them captains
@@mortache I like that feature, now if we could actually choose who gets to mann the siege equipment?
@@MusMasi you can can you? I remember defending a castle and it having a slot to assign a commander to the trebuchet team.
I actually played this specific defense last night and the enemy outnumbered me by 3x as I only had 550 troops under my command. Fortunately they were only sending one siege tower and a ram at me and the walls were tier 2. And the tower that was sent was on the far left path. What I did, is when that ram started making that final turn to line up with the main gate, I sent a sortie out with all of the infantry holding gate and a troop of archers that i had in reserve. Destroyed the ram and had the infantry hold position there. The archers I moved over to a flanking position to take out a glob of enemy archers behind barricades. The enemy was reinforced and at that point I had lost only about 30-40 guys. Re-aligned my sortie to at the bend in the road on the final approach of the gate and put my archers off the right flank of them and decimated their reinforcements pretty quickly. On their next reinforcement, they sent their entire army at my sortie that time around and I finally had to retreat back inside. But the damage was done, since the ram was destroyed and they could only attack one section of wall, they eventually broke and I won the day!!!
It was a great battle. Probably one of my favorite scenes to defend and attack on because the castle is pretty segmented.
Good thing about the early stages of a battle is that both sides start out with high tier troops.
If this were to be an open battle you would have lost from sheer numbers so it was good it was a siege defense.
You can pick off those quality troops with your siege engines whittling down their powerful units until they send in lesser powerful troops, putting the fight in your favor.
Either they get cut down or they are put in a rout
If you assemble the right squad, then even in open combat, 200 units will be able to defeat 1000
I think guys were passing you down the stairs trying to leave to go man the siege on the walls, they seem to try to do that even if under your control as long as there's one with ammo, and the ballista never runs out, so I've had to disable them during in-depth defenses
Ah I think you're right - they do the same crap on offense too, trying to push the stupid ladders up lol
Never thought of retreating to the keep, nice
It makes a huge difference! This battle would have been a loss 100% without it
Bahçalarda Kestane ❤️. It's super good that you listen when you play as Amir Timur. Love from Turkiye.
Yeah the music is really good!! Thanks for watching :D
It still makes my jaw drop how good this game is. Best of all time IMO.
I just wish siege battles weren't a coin flip on whether or not the game crashes on console
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@@BasedStruggler buy a gaming rig its not that expensive anymore
Am I the only one who noticed the Tatar folk song at the background?
Man I love that whole album!!!
I love how you share your thoughts, how calm and rational and insightful you are.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Wished morale is more specific during these clashes. Like if a noble dies then the troops they're commanding will take a morale hit and start retreating while also affecting the morale of other troops as they retreat.
Yeah morale seems to have such a small impact on the outcome in most battle.
I wish morale hit could also remove units from battlefield even if they after a while (for example 2 minutes after routing) wont get to fort/edge of a map. Far too many sieges ended up with retreat and repeated attack because 1-5 defenders spawned inside walls, barns or other inaccessible areas and couldnt run away, join a fight or be killed and my 800 member army just stood there not able to do anything.
Yeah, if only such victories mattered. Calradians breed like rabbits, arms and armor not only grow on trees but they give crops as if they were planted on the Nile delta.
That's why I really enjoy using the King Slayer mod and turning that death rate up very high :D
And in the banner kings mod these battles matter af. Especially with realistic battle mod, where high tier troops have even more impact. This battle would win you the war most likely, unless you’re fighting a superpower which owns 1/2 the map
the archers that were running past you were from the group on the far end of the wall. when you ordered them to get closer to the gatehouse some decided to man the 'pocket' due to weird bunching and pathfinding for that fallback, since tale worlds never anticipated using that for what it was intended (as a fallback for siege defense).
Yeah that makes sense, sadly they got gobbled up in the fray lol
@@Strat-Guides THEY DIED HAS MEN !
I tried to do this defending Varnovapol, retreating to the great keep overlooking the town and docks. In that town this was not possible, as the attacking AI army was content with claiming the outer wall and never pushed into the city proper. AI AFKing at the walls is plagueing many cities, I know this happened to me defending Epicrotea as well.
Oh wow I didn't know they did that! It's pretty smart I guess, they could just wait and starve the keep out but doesn't make for a fun battle
The sound effects were beautifully added I laughed so hard at a few of them
Lol I dunno why bodies kept flying in the air?!
One thing I wish they had on defensive sieges is points on the walls and towers that if you told a group to go there it'd make them garrison that part of the wall/tower
Yeah that would be really nice to have. There's a mod called scatter around that you could probably use to do that, but you have to place every unit individually...
@@Strat-Guides can’t you just use the scattered line formation on the commands?
This was definitely a heroic battle, the companions sacrificing themselves for their leaders victory and their shots.
All hail King Strat
Yeah Oguz on the catapult had no intentions of leaving his post! :D
Tips for defensive siegers, use the new ambush system to get rid of any offensive siege engines. They will immediately begin their assault regardless of what engines they have left. Your mangonels will kill hundreds and they will have nothing but ladders. I ran off 2500 men from a city with 500 defenders with this method (and 150 Khan's Guard)
Bruh i won 1800 vs 700 without tactics 😂😂
I would've never thought to abandon the walls to defend in a narrower space to take advantage of possibly more experienced and better equipped troops to fight against more numbers...
I like the x-files song at 2:50 lol.
Haha some UFO's flying around that day
I'm genuinely impressed by your tactics
Thanks for watching :D
The Tatar music in the background is a special treat!
EPIC! To see the bodys of brothers pile up after a slaughter like that...
It was pretty brutal considering half of my army were subscribers that I promoted and were with me for most of the campaign!
@@Strat-Guides oh my god! I didbt know that, guess I missed out on some of your stuff. Soon then :)
It was a pleasure serving under your command Strat! A valiant fight
A lot of good people died that day :*(
Very nice. I can't seem to get into any fun, crazy siege defenses like this in my game. Always too far away to get into the keep before the fighting starts. Doing an honorable/good guy run and not raiding villages, so I have to go far from the front to the cities that have good prosperity for supplies. Just always seem to be away from the fighting right now.
Also, my single party of 330 scares off most/all other parties. Even some armies of similar numbers. Almost as if they know, they cannot take me and it would be suicide. Because of this I also got a little cringe and gave myself an edge-lord title of "The Thunderer"
Yeah that's the toughest part - the fief needs to appear weak to the AI before they even attempt to attack it and usually with the player inside it scares most away (unless they have a massive army)
They should add an usable second level of defense and remove those houses attached to the walls during sieges. I honestly liked more how the siege map works in full invasion 3
Yeah I would love to see some ballista covering access points
i know the game sets siege equipment in specific places but man a balista where he's standing and shooting arrows at 5:20 would've been perfect
You can do it even 200v2000 when they build two siege towers. They are doomed. The catapults normally break these towers, but they fail to do it with the ram. So once the ram is near the gates, you jump on top of it. The troops inside run out to kill you but you're on top. After a while they flee from the battlefield and you capture almost all the 2000 as prisoners.
I always use tactics like this in Total War, when the enemy outnumbers you very heavily and has some good siege equipment maning the walls is pointless except for those early shots. Better to pull back and use the cities alleys to form killzones where their numbers won't do them no good
These videos helped me quite a bit with my tactics in bannerlord, now I usually win battles with little to no casualties, only seeing some deaths when I'm outnumbered
But it is still usually a very good victory
I'm happy to hear that!
I’m so amazed by how you always win these losing battles
It's mostly because I've lost so many time, I generally know when it's happening again and can make changes to try to avoid it lol
Just defended my first 400 vs 1400 and then 500 vs 2400, felt really good. Literally all I did was build 4 catapults (my guy's an engie/archer so it's fast and they're fire versions) and was picking via sniping the guys pushing the ram to slow it down, it was significant enough to give the catapults time to destroy it before it reached the gate and then it was just a battle of attrition. Reinforced one side of the wall heavier with trooper than the other and went to the other one myself and was picking off guys climbing the ladders. Skills like "make the difference" which boost your troops morale when you get a kill mixed with the fact that headshots demoralize enemies works just great, also the banner that reduces the melee damage your unites receive by 15%, just chef's kiss
There is a much simpler way to do this (I assume this is more known) but I call it the straxagy,
Step 1: acquire two handed weapon (axes work best)
Step 2: use “ambush” function and destroy siege batteries with axe
Step 3: spawn at ladders
Step 4: smash the skulls of your foes as they climb up the ladder
This strategy works best with cavalry and Stugian heavy axe men.
This was done in patch 1.0.3 before the sally out function :(
@@Strat-Guides I know, just saying my favorite strategy
i had a very similar gate hold last year on my aserai run. i made a mod that gave veterans the chance to have maces, and it was totally the force multiplier that swung the battle in our favor. i only had about 50 or so veterans displaced amongst 400 or so mameluke soldiers and footman. the veterans with maces being able to deal armor piercing damage while being surrounded by chaff made such an incredible line that held for days
I just picked up this game a week ago and I'm excited.
Nice, I hope you're enjoying it so far! :D
As a die hard RTW fan, switching to bannerlord was a bit confusing, but damn, siege battles and overall tactics is just so great.
I never see anyone ambush in these videos (I get your purpose here though). That’s like a priority for me when I’m defending & outnumbered.
Especially if I wait until the very last second to retreat and snipe off a few nobles rushing in as reinforcements
I don’t usually like video games our video game videos, but this game looks really fun and your videos are very enjoyable.
I appreciate the kind words! Yeah I know what you mean. I usually gravitate towards games that are more realistic and give a sense of what life was like at certain times in history (as opposed to most mainstream games). I watch a lot of documentaries on history, but it's hard to beat the feeling of commanding a digital army in battle lol
This is an amazing looking castle
For anyone interested, the music is from the album Karolina Cicha - Plyta Tatarska.
I used the same type of tatics it works great. Till you accidentally give orders to wrong unit in the heat of the moment or the AI starts doing mount and blade AI things. I really wish they make it to where you can use spears with shields up. So pike walls and such work better. It would be perfect for moments like this
Yeah still waiting for the day they fix the AI
ı love that you dont only recognise western commanders like some people
"like Halid bin Velid or Emir Tımur "
you are good at statistics and strategy ı lıke to see you makıng content at other games or areas
and do you listen to ahmet sezgin ?
dude as a Turk that suprised me
I'm a huge fan of military history, so being able to share some of that with everyone is a lot of fun for me :) Thanks for watching!
Just found your videos. They're endlessly entertaining.
Great Video Brotha I have a soft spot for the empire had a few great playthroughs with them.
Thanks for watching!
I like the use of Volga tartar music to add suspense.
Just thanking the algorithm for knowing I like to rewatch these periodically.
This is a great cuz I used some of these strategies but mixed in my own for example I mostly had more archers than soldiers and I had more Archer Calvary so what I did is I used all of my calves to harass the enemy going back and forth well I got my archers in range of their troops who were in formation taking them out one-by-one so then I would send the little few of my elite melee soldiers to take out the rest and as for my castle defense strategy they would get near the ladders and I would through the explosive jars at the one gathering near the latter
I did a castle siege defence with onoy 300 men and 1200 plus on enemy side. Defence with tactics is really fun and rewarding when u win.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing,they were never geting throought that biottle neck though
My best strategy is to ambush them when given the choice and have your troops charge at the enemy and keep them busy while you use a polearm or ace to destroy the rams and towers. After, retreat and then engage the enemy and use the catapaults to knock out the enemies and when they get close, standby the ladders and shoot down the guys climbing up the ladders by aiming to get headshots. The enemies will eventually flee. Repeat as needed until youre strong enough to sally out or auto resolve.
nice i dont know how i never thought of retreating to the inner walls
Yeah I usually just hold the outer walls choke points, And hope for the best. Luckily I haven't failed to hold them yet, but I have never tried to hold off an army of *that* size before. Even then before seeing this video I would have been too stubborn and still tried to just hold the outer wall choke points.
Not all castles have a good setup for it, but for the ones that do it can be pretty good!
I'll never forget me one banner night 13 britannian Max tier Bowman and six crossbowmen as well as two catapults. I beat an army of 1,735
This was back when you could retreat your army as a defender and just restart the siege
I'm telling you Strat if the year was 2001 I would be trying to sweet talk you into my professional counterstrike clan. You have the hand eye coordination to play with us back then.
Haha yeah 2001 is the key word! I'm too old to be good at FPS games these days :P I'm in my 30s now and I can tell a huge difference from back then sadly
@@Strat-Guides yeah I am old school too. I'm 39 now. We did our time. You are still on point.
I wonder what's happening in my game.. I have ~300 troops and I've been holding off an army of 1200 for about 6 rounds now... They got reinforced at one point but I'm amazed at how good the game's natural defenses are for me. The siege towers and rams get destroyed by my artillery and me dropping fire bombs onto them. I have my melee stationed at walls for the ladders. Like I said, somethings happening in my game because its stupid easy. I'm on all normal settings but I really feel like I could take on an army of 3000!
Your videos awesome you inspired me to try siege defense and its fun af!
Bannerlord Siege: Strategic placement in battle, as well as artillery and archer fire is the key to defending the keep.
Warband Siege: CHOP CHOP CHOP ON THE LADDER DWELLERS!
I'm really bad at this game so I enjoy seeing what's actually possible hahah. Awesome battle!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I just defended a castle the other day in this game. I had 170 defenders vs 1,200 attackers and won. I don't want to hear it lol.
Nice! I had a few mods active for this battle like RBM and was mostly bandit troops which have really low tier armor and weapons, so this was actually quite a tough battle. In the base game, if you take out the siege equipment it's definitely possible to win battles like that so it sounds like you had an amazing defense going :)
Yea keep it up dude!
I fought a battle as vassal of Aseari that was 400 against 1440. 172 were my personal army the rest were garrison troops and militia. I personally killed around 700 enemies. Mostly headshotting guys with a 2 handed mace or axe as they came up a ladder. Too much fun.🤘
I’d like to see a Spartan tactic video like maybe the phalanx
Yeah for sure! I've got some ideas for how to pull that one off
Based asf for defeating Rhagaea
Yea she took a dirt nap that day :)
Love the Timurid banner
Me too! So simple, easy to understand, but I can imagine it would have been terrifying to see it on the horizon coming after you
this makes me remeber stronhold game i used to play the demo at highest difficulty and won by strategy likeoiling the world structures they would attack and burning my own people with them.
Cruel but effective one civilian for many enemies, or spawn kill their siege weapons as i knew the spawn point i build a tower close to it and fill it with hundred of archer and just sit and watch them die.
V nice. I can't wait till the keep and fall back positions are really implemented into the game. My first ever seige def was of my first ever caslte, Usanc - I believe I was defending it with 200-300 men against a Aserai army of 2,000 and won. Stacked the walls with high tier infantry and i think i got lucky that their ram was destroyed and only had ladders.
- You won?
- Yes.
- But what did it cost you?
- Everything...
- Was it worth it?
- Totally :D
your commentary is perfect
Lol usually I just sound like an idiot, but I'm glad you enjoyed it :D
+rep for Turkish background music 🇹🇷
It's so good! While editing this campaign, I must have listened to it 15+ hours and never got bored of it :)
I believe they call this kind of victory pyrrhic
Actually I never thing about going back to the keep as an tactic. Because I prefer to have automated orders for castle defense. Looks like AI can manage somehow manual orders in castle defense but as we see with some problems of course.
The biggest issue is taking your units off of scatter formation when you want to control them. By default they are on scatter and if you give them commands, scatter formation takes over and moves them anyways so you need to put them in line formation or something other than scatter
I don't know why you disabled the ability for people to be wounded rather than killed, resulting in so many companions being lost. I know Mount and Blade can be a bit generous with the wounded/death ratios, especially for hero units, but it's not entirely unrealistic for people to survive being wounded sometimes. Plus what is the point of the medicine skill with this mod set up?
It was just for fun. I had subs from the channel as companions and I wanted to put them through a tough battle :)
During sieges, numerical superiority plays little role, because the attackers always go through narrow passages that are very easy to control by elite infantry.
Enjoying your stuff dude, and its making me keen to jump back into Bannerlord
Thanks for watching! It's in a pretty good state right now compared to a few months ago - not sure when you played last but it's come a long way.
Ah yes, the old "Backwards Horse up Stairs" strategem, a favorite of both Sun Tzu and Zhuge Kongming.
Horse parkour! :D
Hey, have you heard of the banzai charge strategy? This strategy is first defeating the thing that will destroy your gate by going outside, then the ai will stand behind it, hold your formation, if you can get at least a few archers to weaken the army in front of the gate, after they're weak enough launch a charge.
Another strategy is called the dirty move, it's where you make it completely unfair, this is a offense strategy, you put your men Infront of the gate, break it down, then attract the defending soldiers lead them into your soldier, and archer death pit, because your archers will be on the flank out of being able to be shot, then everytime you get further away they retreat then keep doing it.
@Strat_Gaming.. yo dude, do you got a good vladian name for my campaign? I need one.
This guy is like Gandalf running around with a horse in the city constantly giving orders and the end beat people with the staff next you need is summoning eagles and making magic tricks
Real Military Tactics.
*Walks a horse up the stairs backwards*
Lol I have very talented horses :P
"It is a military axiom to never engage an enemy uphill" -Sun Tzu The Art of War
I was in an attack that had me outnumbered 2-1 yesterday with no good terrain to position my troops on BUT lucked out since on my advance towards the enemy I came across a river that that was crossable but slowed you down a lot so I positioned my archers on my side of the creek with cavalry was poised to charge through the enemy line while the archers peppered them with arrows as the enemy tried to cross to attack me, didn’t lose a single troop…beautiful
The end of this video really said, “I’ve won…but at what cost?”
The music is so good we sing these song while we are kid love your Taste man .
Багъчаларда кестане. Cool, you’ve heard the tatar folk music video as well.
My biggest defense was 1800 vs my 1200. It took 3 different fights but I won! I love the town and castle defenses. I’m just really bad at them😂
Wow that's a huge battle! It's fun to see them attack in waves too
@@Strat-Guides it was crazy. It took roughly one and half hours to finish up. Luckily I haven’t got close to that kind of battle again.
The sieges in Bannerlord look quite a bit better than in Warband.
Strat, if you go to the comments section on the RTS camera mod, someone made a compatible version for v1.1. I'm currently using it
Nice Character Prince Timur
My defense strategy is to win more and less is the first case if I have 1 gate breaker and 2 tower vehicles, I will destroy 1 tower vehicle first, then go to the gate buster, leaving 1 tower vehicle for focus protection. 1 place, then when the enemy army shows up all the tower vehicles, we will destroy that place to kill most of the enemy troops, then def continue
I love this, my battles is charge and sheildwall and hoping for the best xd
I think i can learn a few things in terms of combat from you. for my next Series i should use that knowlege :D
Nice, hopefully it helps!
If I can take down the siege towers, I tend to just manually pick up the bombs and rocks and toss them at the infantry assaulting the ladders and main gate. It usually goes well enough to force a retreat before I start taking heavy losses, allowing me to win even when outnumbered 3:1