The French Diesel Was Set To Destroy Audi
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It's hilarious, when it starts with the indoors camera, it REALLY sounds like a diesel, reminds me my father's Peugeot from the 80's 😅
Yes, absolutely hilarious indeed! To me, for some reason it is very intriguing, it's so unusual to hear such noises coming from a top-tier race car
I was impressed with the sound these diesel race engines made, and the crazy redline they had. It pushed the limits of what diesel engines can do.
Too bad that diesel powered cars aren't popular in the American market, especially after Volkswagen's Dieselgate scandal.
Only if you are a sheep.
If ppl loved their cars then hated them because of a propaganda that all manufacturers participate in.
You are a sheep
I don’t believe most people ever read or heard the story or thought about it.
@@fastinradfordable Ahh I see you consider systematically cheating emissions regulation for several years propaganda - interesting.
They can consider themselves lucky that people buy their cars at all nowaday, but I guess that's also because nobody really cares about some regulations, lol.
I can't speak for other states but in California it was prohibitively expensive to equip an everyday car to pass the emissions tests, even if the manufacturers cheated (which they all did, not just VW). Luxury cars could consider the additional expense and maintenance, but generally chose not to.
Trucks are allowed much higher emissions, so there are plenty of diesel trucks.
Unfortunately not the only toxic culture associated with diesel in the US. If you wanna be a diesel enthusiast, you'll likely have to associate with some unsavory types
Peugeot guys were building dohc 4 V engines _way_ back in the day, Harry Miller "borrowed" a lot of the valvetrain engineering from them, and created an engine that later was bought by Fred Offenhauser, and Harry Miller's neighbor was Ole Evinrude, of outboard fame, who removed 2 cylinders from a Miller engine to create the first outboard, as it was lightweight aluminum. The French know a thing or two about racing....
Yep ! So as British and Germans ;) Big racing car culture in EU 👍👍
@@2052lt Peugeot did it first, in 1912, with the L76 Grand Prix racer, it was the first automobile with a DOHC 4V engine. As an American of German, and Scotts/Irish heritage, it pains me to admit it, but the French _can_ build a racer.
@@jamesgeorge4874 The car was born in Germany, but matured in France. I forgot who said or write that and interesting to see first v8 for airplanes
@@victortaveira8271 Sorry, freind, but nope. In *Motorcar* history, Peugeot was first, it is what it is, an established fact. Dusenberg was right there too, with a supercharger. In 1908, Benz had OHV 4 V per cylinder, but they were pushrod activated, not DOHC.
@@jamesgeorge4874 Sorry the confusion, I was my intention that many important things for auto industry was born in France, not exclusively from Peugeot, as V8, modern design language …
I always love hearing endearing stories of the underdog coming back to challenge the leaders. It's what makes both teams so much better in the end.
Peugeot underdog!? Not really and even more in competition. Glickenhaus is a real Underdog
@@ThePontiacgto65 Well, most people wouldn't consider Peugeot being the underdog, but all I meant was that they weren't always in the headlines like Audi and Mercedes were back in those days.
@@Brock_Landers It was my heart of a French patriot speaking 🐓🇫🇷😉
Whem Peugeot joins a race, it usually dominates. They had domination in Rally, SVT, HillClimb, LeMans
@@Brock_Landers in what particular days?
This car has also the weirdest name for Dirty Minded People.
Peugeot 908 HDi "FAP"
Peugeot 908 hdi fap is one of my favourite racecars of all time.
That era of diesel LMP1s is still one of the craziest and most bonkers era. Those V12 diesels were absolute monsters, and especially the Peugeot, despite reliability issues, held lap and qualifying records for a long time. It's good that Le Mans moved with its time, and now more popular than ever, but the times when the top category was so lofty is still a good memory.
I love the Audi dominant era of endurance racing. They took a diesel and proved they can engineered a slow revving engine into a winning racecar.
Actually 6 years of their dominance was gasoline V8 engines.
it was not actually diesel. The general principle of the engine was diesel but the fuel itself was nothing like diesel you get at the local pump.
When the diesel came there was no competition for the Audi to fight against until Peugeot came.
If you wanted low reving cars dominating the race the 60s had all of them until the FIA had to ban them at certain points. High Displacement engines always dominated Lemans until an outlier car or rule changes won it.
@@bapr3887 and so many people seem to forget about this
The ACO rules were biased towards diesels. That is all it was.
2:55 I cannot believe the rpm diesel figures!!!! 6000 rpm for a direct injected diesel is mind blowing!!!! 🤯
4,500 to 5,000 is roughly the more realistic redline for a diesel because there's no need to push a diesel that hard.
@@TheSilverShadow17 Why not?
@@Random-dq8ew Diesels aren't known to be rev happy lol that's why and plus that's burning more fuel from pushing it that high in the rpm range. I mean sure it's cool and all but high rpm is not the strong suit of a diesel.
@@TheSilverShadow17 I'm perfectly aware of that! Hence my comment...
@@TheSilverShadow17 Sure but extreme torq could be a problem.
High rews could help with that.
Visio smashing it again!!! There is just no stopping this guy. Most underrated channel on TH-cam. 👏👏👏
Loved the old lmp1 Audi v Peugeot era. Great era for endurance racing.
I saw these diesel beast fighting it out at lemans. What it lacked in engine noise it made up for in transmission noise. So so cool!
I was lucky to see the P-908 cruising down the streets of my town with M. Gené behind the wheel celebraiting the 2009 Le Mans win
And destroy Audi it successfully did. Peugeot was the sleeping giant amongst the crowd when it showed face at Le Mans for the first time with the 908 back in '07. It was the David that challenged and beat Goliath at it's own game and did so proudly.
I went to the 24 Hours at Spa in 2008 and saw both the R10 and 908 both on the paddock and in head-to-head racing. I was also starstruck to be within a metre of a bespectacled fellow Canadian Jacques Villeneuve - driving one of the 908s - who was signing autographs. I'm looking at the photo now while I'm posting this. Too bad I can't post it and other pics from that dreamy day in May one day before my birthday here.
Ricardo also designed a diesel engine for endurance intended for endurance racing in the early 00s. i believe it was based on a judd v10. unfortunately it was never raced would have been cool to see more diesel cars in lmp1
IIRC it was a Toureg V10.
There was a different alternative fuel V10 based around the Judd GV (if you're willing to call E100 an alternative fuel for 2004) ran by Nasamax.
This is a very interesting and unique video! Thank you very much for creating this content! 🙂👍
I watched the Le Mans race on television at the time....... Thanks for information...... Greetings from india 🇮🇳🤠🤠🤩🤩🤘🏻🙌
I just love this type of content about unknown race cars
keep it up🔥
The 908 isn't unknown
@@Jesko. l didnt meant it literally😅
Nice video! I wondered what happened to the diesel racecars. I never liked the sound so I lost track of them.
Audi: Let's use what's basically a glorified truck engine to win this bloody race
Peugeot: Hippity Hoppity your engine blueprints are my property
Good video once again!
Great presentation!
That sound is great.
Ain't that the truth brother 👍
peugeot 905 was a V10. Peugeot 908 was a V12.
Very good video.
Thanks for your time.
Continue the good jo!😃
Very good Video Brother ! Thats fkn funny he nails the throttle n puffs smoke hahaha
Who caught that .. the diesel units were forced to use smaller fuel tanks... the whole reason for diesel is to go farther on a liter of fuel.. not level the playing field.
As soon as I learned about how diesels worked, I fell in love with them.
You sir, are a man of intelligence and taste. I'm very happy you figured it out. Enjoy every mile. The UK sends you it admiration, respect and best wishes. 🇬🇧😁👍
@@paulreilly3904 Thanks. I live in the USA and learned how diesels work in 2001. The idea of not having a throttle blade and not wasting power to make vacuum was very appealing to me.
Peugeot knows how to build a great race car
Thanks again :-)
Once again Peugeot comes to show who is the boss
And Cummins started trying to race diesel cars at the Indianapolis 500 all the way back in the 1930's through 1952 with five different cars.
1200Nm of torque is just nuts
i hope peugeot can work out the issues with their 9x8, from what i saw of wec this year it seemed ok but wasnt near the top of the field.
Bop ruined any chance of proper competitiveness. Fia Regulations changed mid build. They'll be much stronger next year.
@@unclebanga5976that hybrid activation speed change first hit the toyota with their equal tyre size all the way back in 2021, causing them to move to wider rear tyre configuration for 2022. Peugeot must have been sleeping through that period to NOT realize this would be the case
@@ruzgarakgul2051 definitely weren't sleeping. It's in Peugeot sports end of year report from their technical director Olivier Jansonnie.
The issue with the lack of a rear wing has to do with generating downforce using only the underbody. It works fine if the track is smooth. Once you have to raise the ride height for bumpy tracks then you lose a great deal of the downforce generated that way.
This thing sounds like an old cummins when heard onboard, how rad
The sound in the cockpit is similar to the typical van but on the other hand can your racecar tow? 😂
Whats going on with the intake? Why's it look like an all black barber pole?
LeMans is not only known for the 24hrs race but also for the delicious and decadent Rillettes
I would love to try it
Has the coolest intake plenum ever
Yo! Do a small history about racing car radiators.
If the mass offerings from Audi weren't just overpriced Volkswagens, I might be interested. But Audi just leaves me unimpressed. Great video!👍
Although they share sone parts Audis have more hp and awd so the comparison is like saying a pacer is a hemi cuda
@@judgejimbobrowntown3214 The amount of parts that are the exact same, but different part numbers and prices is shameful. Just robbing people. Besides European cars still can't make solid electrical systems. Japanese for life.
@@brandonboulton2776Thats really not the case, any VW/Audi car that has the same chassis family shares almost all of the mechanical and suspension related parts.
For example, in the B5 platform for a 4 motion Passat with a 1.8 and an Audi 1.8 A4 quattro most of the engine, drivetrain, and suspension parts are identical, with the same part number
@@brandonboulton2776your regional generalizations are ignorant and laughable
And borderline racist.
@@brandonboulton2776 Show me exact parts of Audi A4 B8 and Passat B8.
They used the 'FAP' acronym as it was also widely used in their normal cars and also to underline that they were the first to use it in the 607 2.2 engine as well as they had the best technology for this application (no pre-impregnated filters like VAG cars, instead they were running an extra special tank for Eolys additive and an extra ECU which was managing the injection). I doubt though that the racing cars really had a FAP....
I was surprised to learn it had DPFs - I assume that it was a requirement of the diesel race cars in Europe?
It would suck to have to do a regen in the middle of a race.
Audi destroyed themselves indirectly
in my op it was the most challenging car to drive in gt5
Too bad that we will never see diesel in Le Mans ever again as the Hypercar rules specifically said that the engine must be 4-stroke petrol engines.
But since that seems to be the only rule for both LMH and LMDh, and as long as it is 4 stroke and powered by gasoline, it can be anything you want, really.
Did they slow down during a DPF regen?
Bro thinks WEC drivers drive like old grandmas
0:26 i'd argue peugeot's diesel LMPs saw more success, even if it was outside of le mans
This is similar to the story of the LeMans races of the 50s and 60s... The Italians always dominated LeMans until Carroll Shelby and Henry Ford II wanted a piece of the pie. They introduced the GT40 and while it took a few years for Ford and Shelby to get the hang of LeMans racing, they came back to dominate old man Enzo and his racing team. They even attempted to purchase the entire company, only to be turned down by Enzo, who used Ford to drive up the selling price, then turned around and sold the company to Fiat instead in 1969.
Nah. Ford came in the 60s spending more money than everyone else combined.
Honestly Fiat was willing to give a better price I think.
No way bb😂
All the time the french was a real competitor agains germany 🎉
The bicycle engine manifacture and brand self "Lohmann Diesel Fahrrad Hilfsmotor 18ccm" 2 stroke petrol and diesel powered engine can revs up to 10000 rpm and more 😂 thats impressive for a tiny fine german engine on a bicycle from stock in 1950~1960
Le Chugger
there is no need for this title as history proves the audi to be superior not to mention that they used versions of their V10 and V12s TDIs in road cars which is crazy
First they banned the rotary then diesel so now everything is the same no difference in the cars
🇬🇧...but Peugeot only managed to do it once in 2009 with the 908HDI FAB, Audi became the series winner in Le Mans...!
🇩🇪...jedoch gelang es Peugeot lediglich 1x 2009 mit dem 908HDI FAB, Audi wurde zum Seriengewinner in Le Mans...!
Audi win when vs nothing...
Mate, Audi dominate Peugeot in 24h lemans 4 times, when raced 5 times and then compromised Peugeot retires, then, Audi dominate Toyota 3 years in a row.
This is your nothing?
@@bapr3887toyota literally ran with half of audi and porsche’s budget. It’s a miracle they even won the 2014 WEC title
@@ruzgarakgul2051 In 2014 Audi effort was put on Porsche team, thats why toyota 2014 was one wonder win. After 2014 they have no chances again Porsche until Porsche retire.
like toyota. The king of le mans is porsche
Did you watch the video? Audi overall dominated Peugeot in LeMans due to its reliability.. its also not Audis fault if the competition cant field anything that could touch them
Isn't it just a little bit dishonest to not mention the fact that big corporate OEM giants like Audi and Peugeot were going against sportsmen level teams like Prescallo and Panoz?
I'm just saying it's kind of an important detail to leave out...
cool :3
all that weight a 1000 hp v10 would of gone the same speed if not ran better.
The LeMans is not just about speed. It is about consistency and reliability. I am sure a 1000hp V10 would not be as reliable, just look at the 3.0-liter F1 era and how long those engine survived
And Fuel Effienecy! More MP means less Stops@@VisioRacer
Imagine the engineers at Audi when they found out they got beaten by a *Peugeot*
It sounds like a truck, not very sexy at all.
I think that’s the cool fact about it ✌🏻
Torque 🦾
"The French Diesel Was Set To Destroy Audi" But unfortunately it was French so it didn't :-) Jokes aside, interesting to see that other manufacturers tried diesel. I am not following any racing so I only knew about the R10.
peugeots lost some years because of not engine troubles. Like pilots, tactics. In 2011 they managed not to take off a minor audi. In 07,08 pilots made too many mistakes in rain conditions
@@siniyden too many excuses lol
If you take away the reliability issues at Le mans, Peugeot did pretty much dominate. They won 20 out of 30 races with the 908 hdi fap v12.
@@unclebanga5976 Yes but reliability is a big part of Le Mans so they didn't. :-)
@@thehaze1972 anyway it was very strong competitor, not shame like this year.
And i don`t remember significant problems with reliability except 2010, where cats were much faster than rings, even private oreca. If they didn`t push too much, maybe they had no problems with reliability and fuel consumption and won
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,,,luv Diesels , but not that sound ,,, !
WTF is "pay-joe'...??!!
WTF are these punctuation marks? Which language is this?
Worst sounding V10 I have ever heard
Cool. Diesel race engines are super interesting.
Banning a race engine due 'emissions' is freaking hilarious.
Yea, petrol racing is SO environmentally friendly 🤣
It is about cancer.
@@diehaendesindschmutzig Well done for missing the point and irony completely
@@CathodeRayNipplezPetrol emissions causing not so many cancer. Thank you.
@@EchsenkonigAtokarn You still didn't read the initial comment properly. If you do not understand English irony then do not comment. 🙄
@@CathodeRayNipplez Dann klär mich doch einfach auf. Was unterscheidet englische von deutscher Ironie?
Le Mans..!!...not 'Le mane'..damned..!!...like Porsche..not "porsha'...
Look man, I ain't no French and I will probably miss the very correct pronunciation of French words every time. No need to be rude about that, I am not that ignorant not to even try the right one. Besides, Porsche is a two-syllable word and we (people from Slovakia and countries around) say it the same way as Germans do - [por-sheh].
it does not matter if you're French or not...just look it up and find out how to pronounce names & words properly..do you do the same with singers & actors names or any others.....????...if you say Cadillac..do you pronounce it Danillac or Jounillac..??...easy to find the right & proper way to pronounce anything..otherwise you sound ridiculous...period...what about Richard Gere or Eminem...do you say Richard Gaeure..??..and Maneu'maneu..??
@@hectorherbert6585 Peace man ✌🏻
When you say Le Mans you don't pronounce the S though..
no..there is only one way to pronounce the name of any brand or the name of a person....no one can come up with their own way of saying a name..!!..imagine the dude pronouncing Coca-Cola..with kiki-koala'..!!..and then saying..oh i'm not American so I came up with my own way..!!..ridiculous...
Peugeot race cars are as reliable as their road cars. They are a joke. French know how to make very good wine, but cars...
LOL, maybe you mean german cars? xD
@@KKF18Stalker Germans can't make wine and nowadays, i doubt cars as well.. Is there any realiable one? The last BM i had, the dealer told me to always have a can of oil in the trunk. I could't believe it.. Sold this POS the day after. It was a M V8. Junk!
No FAP - Audi
😂 saw that bro
FAP is what Peugeout called their DPF. Same device, different name.