The Trinitarian "bias" in Bible translations with Professor Sean Finnegan
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- Sean Finnegan is a professor at the Atlanta Bible College USA, teaching classes on theology and church history. He is also the president of Living Hope International Ministries (lhim.org), a biblical unitarian network of churches and fellowships. Additionally, he hosts Restitutio (restitutio.org), a weekly podcast focused on restoring unitarian Christianity. He lives in the Albany-area of New York. He holds an MTS in Early Christian History from Boston University, a BA in Theology from Atlanta Bible College.
Check out his TH-cam channel: • How We Got the Bible
For more information about biblical unitarianism, visit restitutio.org...
Golden insight about circular reasoning.. ive never thought of it that way.. that trinitarian translate bowing as worship because they believe that jesus pbuh is god, but later use the same word to prove jesus divinity.. in reality they prove nothing, they've just gone right back to their presumption thinking they had an evidence.
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They do the same thing with the Arabic translation of the gospels in order to make arguments against Muslims
One Christian pastor with a PhD in theology told me once that all arguments are circular. That's when I gave up on listening to anything he wanted to tell me.
@@dmwallacenz I thought about what you said, I think the best approach to anything you're trying to prove is to try and prove it false, and if you can't then you've proven it true.
E.g. 1+1 = 2
But the argument can be made that we're just coming in with the belief that it already equals 2 and our logic is circular.
Then instead try proving 1+1 = 5 or any other number besides 2, and if you can't prove it then 1 + 1 is indeed equal to 2.
Apply this concept to all things, physics, history, religion, existential questions and it can be a good tool I think.
If someone says we don't exist, and you say we do and they accuse you of circular reasoning, ask them to prove that we don't exist, and when they fail, then you know we exist.
No @Razor MAN, I couldn't agree less. I can't prove that there are no aliens living on an undiscovered planet on the other side of our galaxy. But that doesn't imply that there ARE such aliens. Also, I can't prove that there ARE aliens, but that doesn't imply that there aren't.
Incidentally, a mathematician called Gödel has proved that there'll always be things that we can't prove TRUE or prove FALSE.
I'm not unitarian but a non-trinitarian and this is quite true. Trinitarian bias is a real thing.
@Boo not really
I would dare say the the trinitarian bias along with the Unitarian truth created the oneness doctrine also referred to as modalism
"And (remember) when Allah will say: "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my innerself though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the AllKnower of all that is hidden and unseen. "Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things." 5:116-117
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How come Alla has wrong understanding of Trinity. This show that Quran has a issues. It is not correct.
@@rajeshshetty4862 you fool, the Quran is not referring to the trinity here, you are incorrect have serious issues
@@purplerain2205 it clearly show the book you follow is the reason you have turned into this kind of person. With limited knowledge and culture you will pronounce your judgement. The verse mentioned talks about the believing in other then Alla ,Mary and Jesus as God. Which is wrong understanding of Quran and hence it can't be from God.
I know you won't understand because it needs education which is lacking in you. Grow up and get some help.
@@rajeshshetty4862 Everything you’re claiming that the other person is doing is something you’re actively doing yourself. It’s called projection. Study some psychology. Since you love education and are way ahead of all of us, go ahead and read the Quran in full and please explain what you think is wrong or what the Quran’s author didn’t understand. Please enlighten us with some facts since you’ve spent so much time learning and must have logic to your grand claims. So far you’ve just uttered words like an insecure drunkard.
Interesting to finally hear a unitarian Christian scholar discussing about the Bible verses, in its original languages.
It's worth looking into the history of unitarianism and its relationship with Biblical translation at the same time. Thomas Belsham was arguably the first to have a go in 1808, with a translation so biased towards unitarianism that it was rejected by major unitarians as being "untenable". This approach to scripture increasingly led to fractures among unitarians, resulting in the fracturing of the community into two opposing camps: “... in the 1830s James Martineau and some younger Unitarians led a revolt against biblical Unitarianism and its dogmas. ... They found religious authority in reason and conscience, rather than in a biased interpretation of Scripture. Henceforth the Unitarians were rather sharply divided into an older, ‘biblical’, and newer, ‘spiritual’, wing. The new group was well on the way to eclipsing the ‘biblical’ wing by 1850” (Lion’s History of Christianity, p. 505).
From there we need to look at what happened with Biblical unitarianism, which Sean Finnegan subscribes to. In order to understand the fundamental difference between this approach and the more traditional (orthodox) reading of scripture, one only has to listen to what they themselves have posited: “reason is the ultimate appeal, the supreme tribunal, to the test of which even Scripture must be brought.” (James Martineau, 1836). An admission of the necessary variance between the Bible and unitarianism was made by noted unitarian Dr. George E. Ellis (1814-1894) of Harvard Divinity School in a lecture in 1882: "Fifty years of study, thought and reading given largely to the Bible and to the literature which peculiarly relates to it, have brought me to this conclusion, that the book - taken with the especial divine quality and character claimed for it, and so extensively assigned to it, as inspired and infallible as a whole, and in all its contents-is an Orthodox book. It yields what is called the Orthodox creed. The vast majority of its readers, following its letter, its obvious sense, its natural meaning, and yielding to the impression which some of its emphatic texts make upon them, find in it Orthodoxy. Only that kind of ingenious, special, discriminative, and in candor I must add, forced treatment, which it receives from us liberals can make the book teach anything but Orthodoxy. "
This is pretty damning. Unless you are willing to impose your philosophy on scripture, and thereby be forced to arbitrarily discard or distort or take out of context anything which disagrees with your position. Which appears to be exactly what both Paul and Sean Finnegan are forced to do in order to protect their beliefs.
From there it's pretty easy to discard many orthodox beliefs, simply by claiming that those passages supporting them must have been mistranslated, misunderstood, or corrupted. Not a particularly coherent approach, and one which begs the question as to whether their objections to any sort of religious teaching are based in their own philosophical assumptions or are actually based on scripture.
It is on this basis that we find unitarians have been at the forefront of historical criticism of the Bible. Not for scholarly research, but to find a way of gaining legitimacy for their beliefs.
On that basis the title of the video, accusing orthodox translators of bias, is a bit rich.
@@ChristianRescue I thought Sean was a professor. On that basis he studies scriptural subjects and theology, and indeed lectures on these subjects. If that doesn't make him a scholar then I'd be interested to know what disqualifies him from being one.
@@mikehutton3937 erm... so what do you do if you feel uncomfortable with the fundamental creeds or dogmas of a religion - force yourself to just go with the flow, heartlessly of course, or find fulfilment in an alternative perspective that sits well with your reasoning? There seems to be an unyielding rigidity in your stance which appears to say take it, warts and all, or leave it. It could be argued that it is this stance which has forced many to leave it, and turn their backs on religion altogether.
@@sumardon That's a tricky one, because it largely depends on what your approach to faith and religion is.
If you want to treat faith as a tool so you can feel good about yourself, then minor considerations like integrity and evidence won't matter too much to you. You can pretty much make up anything you like and just pretend everyone else is wrong.
If you want to treat faith/religion as a philosophical or academic exercise, then starting with philosophy and your own presuppositions is popular, and this then leads on to approaching scripture primarily from the basis that you are looking to find support for your axioms within various scriptures. You will then pick the scriptures which best support your position, while discarding any which are inconvenient. This seems to be the approach of Unitarians, and this by their own admission.
If you want to go further than this and found a geopolitical movement based on your foundational starting point, you could always do what Muhammad did, grafting a new religion onto two older ones, and using something like abrogation / conspiracy theories to de-legitimize the parts of the old religions you don't like, so you can supplant them with what you see are better ones. Yes, this is a pejorative view of Islam (and Mormonism and a number of other faiths for that matter), but it is only an extension of what the Unitarians are doing.
If, however, you are actively seeking God, then you have to start with a blank slate, and take scripture at face value. Because ultimately if you, as a fallible individual, define who/what God is and what he/she/it is like, then you'd have to be pretty lucky to get things randomly right enough for it to be of any use whatsoever. All you will end up doing is worshiping your own (or someone else's) philosophy, rather than the Almighty God most of us here seem to want to encounter.
Ultimately the question comes down to whether you want to trust peoples' past experiences of the divine, and follow these as best you can with a degree of humility and patience, or instead trust to your own intellect and experience. The advantage of the former, particularly when you're looking at the Bible, is that you have the cumulative experience of generation upon generation of people to call upon, compared to possibly up to half a lifetime. Which do you think is likely to be more reliable?
It is for this reason that I nail my colours to the prior experience of the Jews and Christians, and regard those who want to skew what has been handed down to us from their experience with a degree of suspicion, not to say incredulity. For ultimately if we are going to search for God, the very last place we are likely to find Him is where we are most inclined to look, and what we encounter is most likely to be totally at odds with our expectations. That's certainly been my experience up to now.
@@mikehutton3937 erm... I think we need to be a little fair in our arguments. I don't think it' would be anywhere near fair to say to Sean Finnegan, "minor considerations like integrity and evidence won't matter too much to you. You can pretty much make up anything you like and just pretend everyone else is wrong." He based his arguments on integrity, consistency and evidence from the Bible.
People may very well have "the cumulative experience of generation upon generation of people to call upon" but should they throw away the scripture and blindly follow the age old experience irrespective of how such experience came about? Take the Eucharist, for example, I wonder if 100% of Christians still partake of the bread and wine. And of those that do I wonder if they all consider the bread and wine to be literally the body and blood of Jesus. If they do, would it be to such an extent that if even the tiniest crumb of bread or drop of wine were to fall onto the floor they would feel obliged to retrieve it and treat it as if it were literally a part of the body or blood of Jesus?
I thought when Sean said you cant pin the blame on Jesus for people after him making him divine, Paul would quote the famous Quranic verse where Allah asks Isa alaihissalam whether he and his mother claimed to be god and isa alayhissalam eloquently denied it.
Nobody in Jesus' day was trying to claim Jesus was God, so there was no reason for him to be asked or for him to deny it. That issue didn't come up until after he was dead, and after Paul and others started converting gentiles en masse. Then there were those of pagan philosophical thought that tried to bring in things such as the trinity and gnosticism. Some succeeded, others didn't.
However, this was actualy prophesied. Jesus said the true and false Christians would remain together until the "time of the harvest" (Matthew 13: 24-30, 36-43)
He doesn't need to quote anything except the Bible because it's on almost every page that Jesus is the SON OF GOD.
Even GOD HIMSELF declares it TWICE: during the baptism of Jesus and also the Transfiguration.
Trinitarians are blinded to the HUNDREDS of verses in the New Testament which declare the identity of Jesus because they make a wilful choice to trust MAN and the tradition of MEN (through church tradition and teachings of the Roman Catholic "church", Calvin, Luther etc) instead of trusting God through His son, Jesus.
Sean Finnegan is a fantastic man of faith. His videos and teachings are superb.
No he isn’t
@@maxprescott9371 why?
@@marcus.H Because Trinitarian theology goes all way back to Ancient Judaism,, Second Temple Judaism,, because it is found in Hebrew Scriptures 📚👈
@@maxprescott9371 interesting. So I guess you're saying someone is misrepresenting these verses? How can we know who is though?
Is it the Ancient Jewish writers who got it all wrong? Does the bible ever mention a trinity of 3 persons in God?
@@marcus.H Yes, some one is misrepresenting !! definitely !! Biblical Christianity is simply a continuation of Ancient Jevvish belief in a Devine Messiah, who is a supernatural emissary from heaven and who is an extension of God, or a part of God , or even GOD himself ( YHWH )
Thus , the Ancient ., Jevvish , and Biblical Belief is in a Multi Dimensional GOD , who can appear in any form He chooses, as human for example, in the physical or the spiritual realm as He sees fit. The current belief of mainstream Judaism, Unitarianism, and Islam is NOT the original view,, either Biblically or Historically.
bro Paul! would you mind to release some shorts on this video later on?
yes good idea
"And when Allah said: “O ‘Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (false charges) of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute.” 3:55.
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Don't tell Paul lmao
Too late 😁
Each member of the trinity is supposedly fully God and not a part of God. The obvious problem of course is that the God of the bible is superlative see psalms83:18. Thus there is no one who is equal to him. How then can one be fully God and have three others who are least equal to oneself.
(فَٱسۡجُدُوا۟ لِلَّهِ وَٱعۡبُدُوا۟ ۩) [سورة النجم 62]
So prostrate to Allah and worship [Him]. (53:62)
An Irishman ay! Nice!
You know what Paul? You're alright bro! 🤗
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Thank you so much for bringing in a unitarian Christian .
Thanks again br Paul great guest and great host .
Great conversation. It's hilarious, however, that I got two or more advertisement interruptions for some Mohammedans nonsense during your conversation. Does TH-cam really think this is something that which Christians would find interesting?
I stumbled upon Dr. Finnegan's lecture on the trinity yesterday and today you're interviewing him! What are the odds? Fascinating stuff.
Are you a muslim Lisa? If not, perhaps it's a sign 😊
58:23 I was raised Catholic and I’m very well studied in Catholic doctrine. I have converted to Christian Unitarian belief after many years of study. It’s possible! We just need more good pebbles in more shoes.
Amen!
Another awesome discussion
Beneficial, insightful conversation
Excellent discussion. Sean is a breath of fresh air.
I’m watching because I trust your suggestion! Thank you.
I love this guy he's so well read ❤
@ 58:53 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The creator in the trinity is limited to:
1- a time (current timeline),
2- a race (Adam's race) and
3- a place (Earth).
A creator with such limitations can't function outside it.
By definition, The Creator is a being who's capable of creating anything out of nothing, erase what he creates and bring a brand new creation. The creator in the trinity is a creator, but he is not the creator of everything. Christianity start in the trinity and ends there. This puzzle can't be solved no matter what.
Proud to be a Muslim.
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" Numbers 23-19
NIV is horrible. Read John 1:18
"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."
John 1:18 NIV
Nowhere does it say in any manuscript "who is himself God".
It is terrible to say, but all English Bible translations in circulations today are subject to corruption to some degree - some of which are very bad, as you yourself just pointed out - with adding, removing and or changing texts to cater to a particular persuasion, which is all so very sad to say the least
Another gem of a video brother Paul! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Mashallah blessings may Allah guide him into the fold of Islam ☪️
CRESCENT AND STAR DO NOT REPRESENT ISLAM IN ANY WAY! IN FACT, ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE ANY ICON!
@@nurousek123 So, what is your point?
John’s actually correct there is no symbol in Islam and this is why the Tahwhid the absolutely monotheistic unsymbolised Incomparable unity of God is the centrality of Belief.
For that we have to accept that Mohammed is a prophet of God.
I will never believe Islam for the same reason I will never believe Mormonism.
The Mormon book, The Book of Mormon, has sections that are clearly plagiarised from the King James translation of the Bible that Joseph Smith had available to him in his time, complete with translation errors ...and yet it was supposed to have been translated from Egyptian plates straight from God.
Likewise, Mohammed plagiarised from Rabbinical writings, Jewish fables, Christian fables, and even pagan fables of his time ...and yet were supposed to have been narrated to him straight from God.
They are both obviously fraudulent. Jesus warned us about False Prophets, and that we were to "test out" every inspired word to see i they were really from God.
Anyone interested in the studies on Ignatius letters read " Ignatius and the arian controversy" by Paul Gilliam III who was a student of Bart Ehrman. He proves without a doubt that the letters have been altered to harmonize Ignatius subordinationism to post arianism trinitarian creeds.
Thanks a lot for the tip! I heard a couple of times that Ignatius was uphold to advocate a trinitarian view.
This is a totally different level of dialogue. Standard is very high.
Matthew 7:22, NIV: "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' " ... We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. '"
Matthew 7:23, KJV: "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23, NASB: "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; LEAVE ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.
Thanks Paul for bringing on a great scholar and you both for an amazingly educational conversation!
This is an very interesting video! I haven't watched it all yet (because it is quite long!) but it's very interesting, and I've learnt some new things already... Also, I never knew that are a network of unitarian Churches out there. It made me happy to think that at least some Christians are holding on to a more accurate version of their faith.
In fact there are a number of Biblical unitarian church networks around.
Try looking at the Unitarian Christian Alliance where we are all trying to work together to promote the one God doctrine. In the UK, the largest group is the Christadelphians, who are also all around the world.
@@daviddebbyfenton8802 Wow, interesting! Also, during the 1500s, there was a Unitarian church in Romania (which was under Ottoman control at the time.)
The biblical unitarian view is one that is very old, arguably the original view known as dynamic monarchian in the second century.
And although suppressed by the Roman Church, it has popped up here and there throughout history. In Rumania, Poland, Switzerland, etc. etc.
It's a simpler reading of the scriptures, in that it chooses to ignore the later speculations that became the 381+ creeds.
It tried to keep to the idea that the new testament is a proper continuation of the old. With the law being replaced with a heartfelt obedience to Christ, who replaces Moses as the voice of God.
@@purpleatit1 Interesting! Ibn Iftikhar and other good historians have recorded the history of early Christianity with a lot of detail.
To be fair, I think it's obvious that Jesus' original teachings were in fact Islam.
Belief in One God, obedience to Him, refraining from sins and breaking God's law, etc. If you want I can show you some evidence of the connection. :D
Have a good day!
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How about reading the Bible and let it play it by the spirit!
It's the most logical
That's what I did!
And you know?
Jesus was a prince!!!
Today Jesus is God,
Only after death!!!
So I’ve been a Christian all my life, going to church and everything. I’ve always been asked “what kind of Christian are you” it’s always confused me and I’d always say “what do you mean? I’m a Christian, plain and simple I don’t identify as anything else.”
I’ve always thought and understood Jesus to be the son of God. Not God. Christ means anointed, Christ Jesus, Jesus Christ.. Jesus was anointed by God. Messiah, which in Hebrew is Mashiach.. translates into anointed. Jesus is the messiah and has told us very clearly that he is and he’s stated very clearly that he does not control what he speaks as God speaks through him, which is the Holy Spirit, which is Gods word and breath.
I’ve very recently found out that most Christian’s believe Jesus is God and I can’t even tell you how crazy that sounds to me. I found out by my bestfriend, who mentioned Jesus being God himself and ones like lhuuuh no man. and after two weeks of studying Christian history with Sean finnegan I found out I’m a Unitarian Christian. 😅
Dear Paul,
please activitate the auto english translation (cc) option. this will help us alot during watching the podcast.
TH-cam changed. Click the cc to turn on. Then go to settings tab on video and click on auto translate to pick language. Unless he has some strange settings I don't know about, this is the fix. The cc must be turned on first, then changed in settings on the video.
Interesting conversation. However, one thing both have failed to grasp when it comes to the 'worship/bow' question re 'proskuneo'. John 5:23, Jesus says "That all men should honour the Son even as they honour the Father...." Therefore, the word 'worship' is an acceptable word, and is translated so according to context when referring to Jesus. I am not a trinitarian, I do not believe in the doctrine of the trinity, Jesus or the apostles never taught it and it is not in the OT or NT. I believe that Jesus is divine but not God Almighty. The Holy Spirit is God's own spirit, not another person. Depending on context, it can refer to God, His presence, His power, and also Jesus, in the sense that the Father poured out/sent His spirit on Jesus who in turn sent it to His disciples. I'm a subordinationist, in agreement with Jesus and the apostles.
As for the statement in 20:28 "..my Lord and my God", yes, it can have the meanings Sean suggested- as in when Jesus refers to Psalm 82 '...I said ye are Gods..". Some people claim it is merely an exclamation of surprise by Thomas, as in when someone exclaims "My God!". It may also mean ( and I think a more plausible understanding), that Thomas finally recognised and understood Jesus many claims that the Father resided Him, and so Thomas actually affirms what John later wrote, that the one true God is the Father and that Jesus is Lord. In my view, Thomas' statement is directed to both the Father and the Son, not just Jesus.
Thank you Paul, this channel certainly should have more viewers.. certainly a shining star in youtube. Thank you
One important example of trinitarian bias in translation is Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
while in the Jewish chabad dot com translation it's:
For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
You must be born again. Repent and except Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior to be saved. And be filled with the Holy Spirit in order be born into the Kingdom of God. The nature man can’t go to Heaven.
As a non Trinitarian
The HEAVENLY FATHER bestowed on HIS SON'S NAME A NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAME
At that NAME "JESUS " ALL WILL BOW
To the GLORY OF THE FATHER AMEN
the Blessed LORD is the only way to the FATHER Amen
The Blessed LORD is the first creation of the HEAVENLY FATHER Amen
For GOD so loved the world that HE sent HIS only BEGOTTEN SON
And Whosoever believeth in HIM "JESUS" shall be saved 🙏
Assalam alaikum Paul. From Indian illegally occupied Kashmir
What do you mean by illegal
Paul 2:02 I did research on this ! I found it in Old Testament the word proskuneo was translated differently than in New Testament in all nt bibles I will share it with you once it’s complete :) you might like my findings
As usual, Sean is right-down-the-barrel once again. Great discussion - on both ends.
Bravo! 👏 Now let's hear what you have to say about the biblical contradictions in the crucfixion account. Just a little bit more digging and we'll finally be in complete agreement Insha Allah.
I have seen those so called contradictions being addressed in a fair manner plus people have said that there contradictions in the quran as well and I'm saying that as a muslim
@@theguyver4934 please delineate those contradictions in Quran so we can view it from a Christian standpoint ...... Thanks ...
And don't do a mcguyver on us ,as everyone who claims these tall claims of Quranic contradictions disappears faster than Casper
What "contradictions"???
the same reason why they also translate the way Jesus's disciples call Jesus with "Rabi (Teacher)" but then they turn it into "Lord" with BIG L, and also to always translate the word of God as "Father" just to affirm their lies that Jesus is Son of God (and God himself in the same time)
oh dear, now I have a wild fantasy in my head.., a God, Mary, and Jesus as one entity. So God turn himself into Mary, doing sex with himself, to give birth to him self as human being, and then dies so he can become God again, and so God, Mary, Jesus, 3 are 1, they are God.. What kind of insult is that. That's the biggest insult in human history, stating God to have a son, at the same time stating that God has a father, and also stating God as a Mary mean that God has a husband which is himself, has a mother which is himself. God has a wife which is himself, doing sex with his wife which is himself?! or doing sex with his husband which is herself??! to give birth to himself?! to sacrifice himself?! for something he could just do simply by the will of God as he is The God, but stupidly chose to die on the cross??! How could they picture God so low, so weak??! The insult is so big even the earth and heaven are shaking in agony and rage to hear that.
Oh.., they said "You only need to believe". who is stupid enough willing to submit to a God so low and so weak like this. If your God is this weak, I would challenge him for a duel. Now my imagination takes me back to the fantasy story where Ya'qub defeats that weak God in a wrestling. So it's also understandable for you to believe such God can't save himself from dying on a cross, to be cursed, for not having the power to forgive human sin simply by His Will, but it has to be a cursed to die on the cross... oh, I just remember, it was The God Himself who actually planned everything to create Adam at the beginning to be send to Earth (no matter he were sinning or not, since the beginning God creates Adam to live on earth). But then he has to sacrifice himself to save this human?! Did this God regret his decision. Now it's not just so low, so weak, but also soo stupid.
O you christians.., you've been insulting God so much.
Yo, Mr. Sean Finnegan, If you live in 325, you'd be in the same state with the Arianism, to be judged for Heresy and sentence to death. I wish you the best. May Allah lead you to the correct path.
Trinity is Truth…. period…. as Scripture teaches 📚👈
This was a good discussion, Sean was accurate when he meant to go to the original language, at least what the text says in the grammatical frame of reference.
Never knew that about the letters of Ignatius. I took them all to be accurately attributed, never knew those letters might have some corruption. Altho there were some things that were definitely fishy. If I remember right it is claimed or he claimed (dont recall) to be a disciple of the prophet John alahi salam. Thing is unless he lived for like 110 years then that is quite doubtful. For example, presuming he is like 20 years old as a student of John alahi salam that would make him 120 years old by the time he wrote his letters(most tend to be dated around 100 CE.) Average person then only lived to like late 50s if you don't include infant mortality into the equation.
I was taught “proskuneo” is a lower form of worship. Like people do when they kiss the king’s ring or bowing before someone. Not actual worship which is reserved only for God.
That is exactly what Ahmed Deedat was saying for years to Christian missionaries ..... Well hearing this is not that new. Thank you for this important job your doing sir.
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This debate about Jesus PBUH being god is pointless because there is no where in the holy Bible where Jesus PBUH is called the creator of the universe but don't mention ahmed deedat he was a very arrogant man and I'm saying that as a muslim
@@theguyver4934 But there are hundreds of verses that say Jesus is the son of God (including dozens by himself) and that you cannot know Father God unless you know Jesus.
Paul, you mentioned the NRSV as the academic standard work. I always thought it was Nestle-Aland's novum testamentum Graece?
The NRSV is a translation. The other is the Greek text.
@@BloggingTheology my copy of novum testamentum has the english translation. I guess the differences with NRSV will be minor. I will get me a copy one time.
@@theCordobaProject I don't know which version you got of the greek Novum Testamentum Graece, but I am pretty sure that the english translation in there is not published by the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft. It is surely some other english translation which is paired with the greek text.
*_When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood, by its nature bound to perish. (The Noble Quran 17:81) Unitarians should take a step forward and research Islam. Professor Finnegan is a worthy guest._*
WHY WOULD WE CHRISTIANS WANT TO TRY TO EARN OUR SALVATION BY BECOMING MUSLIM? JESUS CHRIST LIVED A SINLESS LIFE AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS IMPUTED TO HIS SHEEP. I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE BY GOD‘S GRACE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
@@dwashington1333no human being is sinless including Jesus. There seems to be issues with translation or BIAS when it comes to Jesus. The Quran is here to give you the truth and the triune dual natured god-man who let his creation kill him with hammers, nails, and wood is a LIE...
This Christian is incredibly knowledgeable AND honest.
He has an interesting point when he says that the Gospel of John being the most unitarian book in the Bible. I just heard yesterday that the earliest commentary on the gospel of John was from a gnostic named Heracleon and I believe they would use it for their own beliefs. GoJ is also considered the most ALIEN of the synoptic gospels because it contains things in it that aren't in the matthew, mark or luke. I think something like 90% of whatever is in the GoJ is ONLY found in GoJ.
The Didache also calls David pbuh "son of God".
Here's another Sean Finnegan video about problems with the Trinity: th-cam.com/video/yDGNGWf2buM/w-d-xo.html
I pray that Yahweh through his holy spirit brings rise to biblical unitarianism and make it flourish till the day of resurrection
too many commercials!
I heard him before
Very knowledgeable
I pray that Allah swt helps our christian brothers get rid of the false pagan trinity from this world as fast as possible and christendom will flourish that way both parties will be satisfied and we will have a healthier relationship
Great work Paul! Hope people transform through your videos. InshaAllah!
Brilliant 👍🏼
Questions to expose the unreliability of the new testament :
1. Who wrote the gospels?
2. Do we have any autographs?
3. Do you know what an autograph is. Many Christians have no idea.
4. Were the gospels eye witness accounts (what does Luke 1 1-2 say?)
5.what is the earliest manuscript?
6. what date is it from and how big is it?
7. When do you get anything like a complete manuscript?
8. How was the Canon decided?
9. How were the criteria to distinguish Canonical from apocrypha material arrived at?
10. Who made these decisions?
11. How do you know those people were guided by God?
12. What language did Jesus speak?
13. Are the words attributed to him in the NT his verbatim words?
14. If not then how do you know exactly what he said?
15. Why are there so many inconsistencies in the synoptics even when describing the same event or same utterances?
16.if we done know verbatim what Jesus said then why do Christians quote verses like ' before moses was I am' as though that is definitely what Jesus said?
17. Have forged verses been found in the NT?
Do you know the ones generally accepted to be forged?
18. How do you know there aren't more forged verses which haven't been detected?
19. Most of the NT is attributed to Saul. How do you prove that God approves of him and that he is not the great deceiver?
20. How can the mere letters of a man be considered 'scripture'?
How do you God approves of this?
@GameSlack
I hope that was a joke 😅
@@think-islam-channel you are a joke
@GameSlack
Christianity is man made and not what Jesus taught.
No point arguing true.
Read the Qur'an
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Mashallah
Assalaamualaikum
@@think-islam-channel I’m a Christian. Islam to me makes no sense. Islam believes in hellfire. Eternal punishment. That is completely evil.
To be clear though, we must say that Jesus at the ascension, where he has gone up to the thronem of The almighty Ellah, he sits down next to or before Ellah, and all honor the Lamb on the Throne, as a special Elect being, as the Messiah, all beings both in heaven and earth yield to him, before the throne of God almighty, Jesus takes the highet place, and then it is clear he is also worshipping his Father as God almighty! So he is Messiah, highly exalted above the creation, as the final purpose of creation, Just as THE FIRST ADAM WAS, JESUS IS NOW THE NEW ADAM, sitting in that place, With God before his throne! Messiah is given authouty over creation, at that time, to then finally turn creation over to God the FATHER, THE ALMIGHTY, SO THAT IN THE END, all are back to being before the Glory of God alone at the end of revelation, they are returned to the paradise of Elohim, with Messiah at our side, before GODS THRONE TOGETHER! LATER IN THE REVELATION, IT APPEARS JESUS IS NOW WITH HIS SERVANTS, TOGETHER, ALL WORSHIPPING AND PROSTRATING TO OUR GOD AND FATHER OVER ALL!
That’s exactly what is happening. Jesus the Christ is sent and Anointed to complete and VINDICATE Jehovah’s name and sovereignty.
Note what Paul says :
“But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death. 21 For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.”(1 Corinthians 15:20-28)
@@alonsogalindo1428 Yes. This is what Saul and the apostles. Believers. Amen amen.
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father too. From now on you know Him, and have seen. Philip said to Him, “Master, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” יהושע said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father, and how do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself. But the Father who stays in Me does His works.”
Yoḥanan (John) 14:7-10 TS2009
Thanks Sean. Very informative. Just what I was looking for as a Jehovah Witness. I think I am a dynamic monarchist but not sure if I got that right. Your videos are the best. Right to the point. Also enjoyed your mentioning of the NW translation. Other sites like Bible Hub won’t even give it a mention.
Hi! I’m also a JW and enjoy Sean’s talks. Are you still attending at the kingdom hall?
Rev chapter 5 clearly shows all of creation in heaven and on earth worshiping the Father and the Son at the same time
what does 1 chr 29:20 show about worshipping david and the father at the same time?
In The Authorized Bible of the Church of the East many corrections are made to the KJV Bible as well as others. One significant correction is that of Isaiah 53:12.
In the RSV we read:
"Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made INTERCESSION for the transgressors."
However, the Peshitta translation reads as follows:
"Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he has poured out his life to death; and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sins of many, and DIED the DEATH OF TRANSGRESSORS ."
This is a huge correction to the text. It changes the meaning of the entire verse. In the RSV he dies as an INTERCESSOR, whereas in the Peshitta he dies as a TRANSGRESSOR.
The Peshitta has been translated from the Aramaic.
May Allah give brother Paul long life and strengthen his imam..ameen
Jesus is the SON OF GOD.
@@leenieledejo6849 ...OUR FATHER who are in heaven.... Jesus pbuh is as son of god as other people....
He's not the only "son of God" in that sense... and is not the "son of God" in the pagan/divinizing sense... there is no proof for that interpretation coming from Jesus...
Gezundheit.
Paul why did you choose Islam over Unitarian Christianity? Could you possibly make a video about this.
I think reading the Quran will help clear things up in much more depth than his reply likely would.
@@zm7430 My question is out of curiosity. Alhamdulelah I’m a Muslim.
Thanks for your insightful videos
Could shed light on how prophets pray
Form old and New Testament
What one need right off. Is a understanding these men have no personal relationship knowledge of God's. Truth. They may read, but have no understanding. They may hear but can not comprehend. The Trinity is real. So states that truth in scripture. Jesus teaches Trinity. John 10: 30. ( I and my Father are one). Note, not like. Not as, read John 12: 45. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. God warns of such fake men in our latter days. They can't hear. Thus spread false information
This is what the Jehovah witnesses have been saying all a long ,
Soon your realise over doctrines are incorrect such as hell fire , soul lives on etc
JW are different in that they teach the pre existence of Jesus as an angel. The Bible does not teach a literal pre existence of Jesus as God, an angel or another being.
@@jamesdabrowski6436 how is that then ?
Bibles states Jesus is the first born , All things where created through him
Meaning he existed before the world was , even angels and satan where about before creation
Jesus became exulted in his position
He was not God was he ,
Even satan was not made to be the God of this world god gave him the authority to be so
Since the fall of man kind things had to change and these are the things that changed
I'm starting to question the whole new testament. I have a deeper respect for muslims than ever before I honestly never knew the respect Muslims have of Jesus and consistently talk about one creator ( Allah ) which Jesus did and all the prophets!
Thank you very much for your honest comment. I invite you to Islam.
*Do YOU realize that the ONLY people on the face of the earth who practice and uphold and preach and defend the doctrine and honor of Jesus OF THE BIBLE are the Muslim* ?????
I'd love that you try to address / challenge / refute this claim if you're in doubt about this claim. You'll be amazed how even The New Testament (in whatever form it is now) still backs up the Muslim faith completely.
Come let's reason together.
Quran 5:82-83 ON THE CHRISTIANS WHO ARE SINCERE SEEKERS OF TRUTH.
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the J3ws and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are 👉 *not arrogant* 👈.
And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.
But, but, that doesnt make sense? The New Testament is the one that claims there is only one God and thst Jesus is not God?
You mistrust the New Testament because it claims that? But you trust Muslims because they claim the same thing? Not to mention it was the New Testament that claimed thst first 500 years before Islam ever existed.
What name is you coming in determined what God you are following. There are many false gods. Only one true and living that creature the world. God the Father,God the Son(Jesus Christ), God the Holy Spirit. Everybody else is serving the Devil.
The Holy Spirit give the understands. Because that God Holy Words. The nature man can’t understand the Bible.
Brother Paul is already an outstanding scholar of Comparative Religions. I actually subscribe to both Blogging Theology and Rev. Sean's channel (Christian Monotheism) on my other channel.
On John 20:28 “ My Lord and My God”.
Jesus had already made statements on multiple occasions which indicated that he represented God completely before the Apostles. Even telling the women gathered at his tomb to go to the apostles and say to them that I am ascending to My Father and Your Father My God and Your God”.
So, Thomas on exclaiming My Lord AND. my God . Possibly was acknowledging both his surprise and joy to see Jesus alive and Giving proper credit to God as also being present . It is , as with many so called proof texts : no proof of anything.
It's embarassing. They did not understand that the HOLY SPIRIT is THE FATHER IN A SPIRIT FORM, that is, NO THIRD divine person exists.
Jesus states "(1) God is (2) a spirit". Well, Jesus simply calls Him sometimes (1) "Father", sometimes (2) "Spirit" (Holy) depending on the situation, but in both cases you have the SAME ONE GOD, not TWO different Divine Persons!
EVIDENCE of that can be obtained by checking out who is INSIDE JESUS:
ONLY THE FATHER is inside Jesus to HELP him, "I am in the Father and the FATHER IN ME". Neither A. the "Lord who gives life" (a nonexisting Lord) nor B. the Paraclete IS THERE, He will be sent after Jesus' death! The only one with Jesus is the FATHER, thus you are now able to IDENTIFY who is the HOLY SPIRIT INSIDE JESUS!
The Paraclete is NOT the Holy Spirit! Jn. 14:26 has been simply tampered with by a trinitarian supporter who "was short of Gods" (not happy with the "Lord who gives life") and decided to "upgrade" the unknown Paraclete.
The Father is of course the almighty God. The almighty God does NOT COME PERSONALLY here on earth "the world has not known you". This is why "No man has seen God at any time.", INVISIBILITY is not an issue, He cannot be seen because He is ABSENT! The HOLY SPIRIT (Spirit of God) is THE PRESENCE of the almighty God - however only in the form of a spirit ( "God is a spirit") - who INTERACTS with people. You can thus see the difference between God and the Holy Spirit: God is absent, his Spirit is here instead. Being a spirit means: NO ONE is here in reality ! This is why Jesus INHERITS the kingdom of God "...and has given ALL THINGS into His hand." Jesus HAD BEEN the almighty God, He differs in that He is not omnipotent anymore. God is thus more than One and less than Two in number.
Wow... I didn't know that translation error of 1 Timothy 3:16. There are so many errors introduced into the Bible to support the Trinity. I keep discovering more as I watch Finnegans videos.
Proskyneo is primary word used for worship in the Greek language and is used 60 times for worshiping in the New Testament, used mostly for worshiping the Father God, and the majority of time there is no Pipto used when Jesus is Worshipped.
Mathew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Proskyneo used with no Pipto.
He is also worshiped another time as the “Son of God”, and he is crucified because the priests claimed him saying he was the “Son of God”. I don’t believe in the Trinity, but i do believe Jesus is the Son of God, the Begotten God who came from the unbegotten God.
A lion comes from a lion, so does the Son of God also become God, Son subordinate to the Father.
Both are worthy for worship.
The Holy Spirit isn’t a 3rd God, but the spirit of Christ and the father as the Bible says.
Going to try to listen to the rest, but you messed up big in the beginning
Sean is articulate and scholarly no clap trap hyperbole
The Convent that the HEAVENLY FATHER give unto Abraham still stands with Israel amen
The Blessed LORD was sent of the FATHER to bring all of humanity into the Promise of ABRAHAM amen
Orthodoxy and Catholicism are spawns form thus sayeth the men of Nicaea
What came forth from Nicaea has no room to be pointing the finger Sir !
So called St . John Chrysostom encourage violence to Jews!
Orthodoxy and Catholicism brought the sword to those who would not believe in the trinity!
One day the HEAVENLY FATHER will look to HIS SON and say return 🙏
And put things right!
Reed this world of the evilness of man and satan!
Your faith Sir is brith in paganism!
I'm not a believer of the Trinity, so I'm not seeing any of this through that kind of bias or lense. But the Wise Men didn't simply believe Jesus was an earthly king. They believed He was the promised Messiah and Son of God right? So wouldn't they have been bowing to Him in worship as a heavenly king? It seems strange to me that they'd bother to come all that way from their own lands when they were even kings themselves and pay homage to a child king if that child king was just an earthly king. Especially since it took them about 2 years of searching to find that child king. There's no way they would have done all that just for an earthly form of worship. I feel like it may not be proper translation to isolate this passage from other ones because the others clarify Jesus as a heavenly king of the Jews don't they?
This is a real question and I'm not a Bible expert, so I would appreciate any insight you can give about this.
I wonder if Sean Finnegan has ever run his Bible analysis by Bart Ehrman. I think he would give a pretty unbiased perspective since he's no longer a man of faith but is still deeply vested in the Bible and in getting at its correct interpretation.
Jesus provides us with the true exegesis of scripture.
Anyone who thinks they can understand the NT without first understanding the Hebrew scriptures is sadly mistaken. Sean Finnegan is making a fundamental mistake in not following the prophecies about the coming Suffering Servant and Messiah.
It amazes me that a Unitarian can even be classified as a Christian. Unitarians are not Christian. Anyone who denies that the risen Lord is worthy of worship is not a Christian.
Sir Paul and Sean, what must I do to be saved? Can you guys answer separately please, thanks much.
The 3 biblical Magi can't worship Jesus as a God as by definition a Magi worships 🔥 Fire, in arabic مجوسي
Majusi - Magicians.
Makes sense
كلمة "مجوس" معرَبة عن لفظة مجوس (جيم مصرية) (بالفارسية: مگوس) والتي تعني مفسر الرؤى، وهي من الألفاظ التي دخلت إلى اليونانية كذلك، حيث وردت لفظة "ماجي"، فيها، وهي جمع "مجوس". مجوس هي جمع لكلمة ماج وهي ديانتهم وأصحاب الديانة هم مجوس. معرب من کلمة ومنها کلمة مغاس - مغان وبگ وبیک. مگوس کلمة فهلویه أو مِن الفارسية القدیمة أي الشخص الذي یُفسر الرؤى والأحلام ویُخبر أخبار الغیب کالمنجم والتنجیم. ومجوس أیضاً هو اسم رب عند الفرس القدماء وهو رب القدرة.
هناك اعتقاد خاطئ ساد بين أتباع الأديان الإبراهيمية أنهم يعبدون النار، ولكنهم في الحقيقة يعتبرون النار والماء أدوات من طقوس الطهارة الروحية. أفكار زرادشت أدت إلى تبلور دين رسمي يحمل إسمه قرابة القرن السادس قبل الميلاد، ويجادل بعض علماء الأديان أن أفكاره أثرت على أديان توحيدية لاحقة مثل اليهودية والغنوصية والمسيحية والإسلام.[7][8] هناك اختلافات كبيرة بين الأديان الإبراهيمية والزرادشتية، إذ يظل الزرادشتيون أقرب للأديان الهندية القديمة، ولكن هناك بعض أوجه التشابه التي يُعتقد بشكل واسع بين علماء الأديان أن اليهود تعلموها منهم خلال السبي البابلي،[9] والديانة الزرداشتية نفسها، تأثرت بالفلسفة الدينية لحضارة بابل العراقية القديمة.
@@manoocal من فضلك، الفقره ماخوذه من اي كتاب؟
و بالنهايه سنصل الي نفس النقطه، الا و هي سجودهم لعيسي - اذا كانت الروايه صحيحه من الاساس- تعظيما و اجلالا و ليس عباده لانهم لهم دينهم الخاص
Hi Paul and Sean, at around 35th minute in the video, where you're talking about the word for 'gods', is this word "elohim" in Hebrew?
Yes. What trinitarians DONT understand is that words like “worship” “god” etc., had BROADER applications BACK then. We as students of the Bible must remember we must APPLY our thinking and heart to THEIR point of view having THEIR culture and MINDSET of THEIR time. As a Jehovah’s Witness many times I’ve been “accused” of “believing” in MORE than ONE God. The fact is that SCRIPTURE and YHWH himself calls men, angels and judges “God/Elohim”. (psalm 8:5; 82:1,6; John 10:34-36; Hebrews 2:9)
Well of course. The bible canon was decided upon around the same time the trinity was canonized. Both grew up together.
I have never heard someone actually say, "I believe the Jehovahs Witnesses have a good translation."
I left the JWs, but I have always used their Bible as a reference because I believe the same.
Christian that served and coming in Jesus Christ name. Have the evidence that He has risen. I will pray to the Father to send back The Holy Ghost in my name. He live in the Believers.
Wise man follow the star. Either expect that the bay was the Lord or not. The King wanted to know the same to kill Him. So the wiseman was right.
Yeah; sons of Elohim; are only ones who are filled guided lead by the spirit of Elohim. This is the criteria of being titles: “sons of Elohim”. If They are a humble servant and have the spirit with them. Jesus had the spirit with him and he was born from above. Meaning the spirit came on him and then he is using the term “son of Elohim” spiritually metaphorically speaking. Also Adam is called the “son of Elohim” in the New Testament. As being Generated by Elohim. In likeness of having the guidance of the spirit of Elohim.
Salam sir Paul how r u
salam
Insightful conversation. Brother Paul what is your view on Gospel of Barnabas? Please do a video on it. I would love to hear your opinion on it
I have done a video on it
@@BloggingTheology just finished watching it, cleared up my confusion regarding the gospel of Barnabas. Thank you brother.
❤️
Yeah yhwh has called him “Elohim” an extension of yhwhs will and work; as like with Adam who was also called son of God bearing the presence of God with him; the begotten son Jesus also carried the divine presence; of the invisible ellah; distinction being the God he represents remains beyond. Adam was called the image and likeness of Elohim also; like a priest of God; as Melchizedek also priest of el Elyon. Melchizedeks priesthood is the same one as Jesus. A representative of el Elyon the invisible God. Jesus acts as high priest.
72. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ''Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary).'' But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: ''O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'' Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers.
73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ''Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).'' But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.
74. Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).
76. Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): ''How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.''
77. Say (O Muhammad SAW): ''O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path.''
Al-Maidah | Qur'ān Chapter 5 verses 72-77
Interpretation of the meanings of the noble quran By - Muhsin Khan & Taqi-'ud-Din in English
what does worship mean? It means anything a person wants i to mean. It is a meaningless word to get around bpwing down to the Lord. ask someone what they mean when they say worship and they will get mad at you because they don't know what they mean when they sayd worship. what is it you do when you worship???? they don't know so they get mad. generally in my opinion, most people use worship mostly ti mean praise. the lady who got down on her hands and knees washing the feet of Jesus with her tears and hair and kissing Jesus feet , she was worshiping Jesus, but no one uses the word worship to mean bow down or prostrate except non christians, when non christians say worship they mean bow down but not chruistians because christians detest the idea of doing what the lady in the bible did and they never do it.
Once he mentioned Brown Driver Briggs...I knew that he was a man on point..
Fantasy land named Church history and you complain about bias?!!!
Mark 12:1-9 looses all its emotional value as an illustration when read with a Trinitarian view.
Yhwh fixes everything put it back in the bible jehovah or yahweh
Brother Paul is doing excellent job of dawah without the disturbance of unruly speaker corner Christian hecklers .
Look who's talking you think we're always the good guys it's okay for muslims to give invitation to christians but when they do it there bigots
Complaining about the translations and praising the champion of translation corruption is an amazing thing but common when not in the Truth