Ken Shamrock asks Was Everyone in the Early UFC on Some Sort of PEDs
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Rampage showing respect to an OG. Real one
Or maybe he's projecting and he's nervous about the question asked for himself
@@tlz124Or you’re projecting a weak & sneaky mindset. Good job
Theres nothing to repsect about ped's in MMA.
Rampage will always be one of the best fighters/showmen to ever walk the earth. We was like a Hulk Hogan of mma.
@@travisgreen9604 Hi casual. It was a different time back then. Quite literally everyone was on it and it was well known and unregulated.
I like how Rampage was giving Ken respect by trying to protect him from the question.
1 look at his face you can tell he was on steroids
That’s funny, cuz I don’t like that rampage got all offensive like that. Can it be that rampage knows that all if any success he had was when he was abusing PEDS. Once he came off and turned into a dough boy , the guy had nothing .
@@giuseppeflorio295 steroids don't do the work for you. Let them juice if they want. It's more entertaining anyway.
@@giuseppeflorio295You’re kidding yourself. He shook his head out of respect for Shamrock. You dont ask a guest that. But Shamrock was okay with it, hes classy
And didnt you hear? If everyone was using something, that means its fair… Use that little brain
@@clutch7548spoken like someone who’s never been competitive
Shamrock was JACKED
Shamrock was on the old pro-wrestler vitamins. Which itself was a leftover from people that had crossed over from body building. It was never meant for athletic use, and it's evident with Lion's Den fighter's. They all looked really good, but would gas out and couldn't really take a hit.
Man, I really wish WWF pushed him like Brock. It would've been very interesting to see him, Severen, and Blackman have solid main even runs
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues What are you talking about? Ken's the only one that would gas. Jerry Bohlander, Guy Metzger, Pete Williams, Mikey Burnette, all had great cardio.
@@Brhoward31he was too early.
Jacked and juiced boyeeeee!
It's great to see Ken speaking so coherently and not slurring his words or sounding punch drunk. I truly hope this legend is healthy and enjoying retirement.
Shamrock is the man. I remember being a little kid growing up watching his fights and in wrestling.
Love the honesty.
Look at Shamrock when he refereed the WWF/E match between Steve Austin & Bret Hart in 97, dude was JACKED.
Even by 90s pro wrestling standards.
I appreciate his honesty
at least he is honest about it
Nothing but respect for Ken met him in 1998 in Montreal when he was with WWF spoke to me was a super nice guy. The dark side of pretty much everything today, testing came around but there is still work to do, steroids sarms peptides are everywhere and pretty easy to get.
He was the meanest guy in WWF. Are you saying wrestling is fake???
@@username-hs3pc what a stupid comment
Man he seems at peace. Just more calm and thoughtfully-spoken. Page too.
Takes a while for the gloves to truly "come off" some fighters even after they come off in the ring/cage.
Great chat.
It's awesome to see this guyz telling there stories, true trail blazers. !!!
Ken has the best story about the first UFC meeting how there were 250 guys in the room for tryouts, and when they realized this was real fighting with soccer head kicks and head butting slowly the room emptied to 25 people in less than 30 minutes
I love this man
I did it the proper way is crazy…💯🤦🏽♂️
I too was born on 11 February like Mr.Ken but 20 yrs later Mr.Ken had one of the best athletic physique also was very tough opponent n most of his loses were much later in his career when he was very close to retirement
Ken " i always cheated the proper way " shamrock
Only children try to twist an adult's words. He was explaining that when he did them, he didnt overdose on them, but instead did it a safe way. There is a difference between the two. The uneducated think they understand PEDs but they have zero idea. There is legal supplements that give bigger boosts then some PEDs. Its largely the negative effects that put them in the spotlight often times, and get them banned.
Is it cheating if everyone is doing it?
If everyones on it no harm no foul.
He's saying that he did it safely - as in his health. This isn't a crazy thing, especially since Ken was doing traditional body builder stuff back then, it wasn't uncommon for a professional to take the stuff under a doctor's supervision.
Refreshing. I thought he was going to lie. Respect.
iv got respect for ken, hes seen it all, ufc early days, wwe ufc modern era and then retire... guys is straight up honest. i think tito and chuck were the 2nd gen to light up mma and it was good then forrest and stephan stepped up and the reeest is history.. ufc has been a ride
If you haven't read 'The Lion's Den' it's cool to see how they trained un the 90s.
That was awesome.. he was candid and straight to the point … nothing to hide … He’s right , by time he fought Tito… Top fighters were already into the more advanced ped process and methods … I like how at the end he admittedly said back then , “I need to be on that!” … that was funny
Ken's blood was probably glowing 😂
Two legends
I thought it was chael sonnen for 40 seconds
Ken was juiced to the gills
Not sure if it counts as a PED but 2 Cold Scorpio said Shamrock used to smoke crack with him lol
Yeah right, doped to the max
Holy crap. Ken is the living example of "use it or lose it"
Overeem is also a good one.
I am curious what an old Brock Lesnar will look like. Some stay big, some shrink back into light heavyweights it seems
Ken’s right about Tito, I met him at the Pond at a WWE Raw when he was launching his clothing Co. Tito was small a month out from his fight with Chuck. Then seeing the weigh in he was jacked. Then around that time Fernando Vargas the boxer got caught and Tito trained with him, so yeah Ken’s right.
Ken was juiced sport just passed him by. Guys became more well rounded. As opposed to before when they were just specialists.
put perfectly
To be fair, Ken was also much older than most of his opponents for over half of his career. Ken was 38 years old when he fist fought Tito while Tito had just turned 27 years old. In fact, Ken had more losses in his career after 40 than he had before, it's just that MMA was just really starting to take off right around the time Ken was turning 40. I'm sure Ken was making FAR more money towards the end of his career so it made business sense to just keep fighting. But before the age of 40, Ken had a very impressive record but it's hard to develop new skills over the age of 40 while in the twilight of your career. So, like you said, the sport passed him by, but that's not why he started losing, IMO. Father time caught up with Ken and Ken was still trying to compete with 20 year olds that were the elite in MMA at the time.
But Ken's losses in the UFC still stand the test of time. He lost to Royce, who won every fight he had in the UFC. Lost to Dan Severn, who was the current UFC Superfight champion. He lost to Tito right when Tito went on his record breaking Light Heavyweight title run. He lost to Rich Franklin right when Rich went on his title run and then lost to Tito again while Tito was the #1 contender and fought for the title right after fighting Ken. None of Ken's UFC losses were to garbage fighters.
You were amazing Ken! You gave americans some pride back vs the brazillian wizards 🎉
Ken was clearly one of the first to really endupge in steroids.
cute story bud
rampage was juiced to the gills. that's why he doesn't like the ped question.
This guys about as honest and raw as Chael P. Sonnen aka that guy with the biggest arms you ever saw
And the greatest charm’s!
Chael is considered the guys with the biggest arms you ever saw? I never heard that. He has horrible genetics for building muscle though. Looks like he's never lifted a weight in his life. I have always had amazing genetics for muscle building and strength, so I sometimes judge people harshly when they're on PEDS and have no muscle. I legitimately think I had more muscle than Chael at like 16, and that's not an insult to Chael, but I think it's true. I know the arms thing is a funny joke or something. The guy is actually on PEDS though, which is surprising. He likely just doesn't lift. A lot of guys are on PEDS, but not all of them lift and care about muscle. Ken always had a decent physique though, and was a big lifter and a very strong guy. Ken was on PEDS, which is why he talks about it, and I respect his honesty.
@@billj4525Thats a cool life story you told, but its a joke that Chael says about his arms
@@billj4525lmfao dork
Shamrock brothers are not given the credit they deserve in the mma world just like the Diaz brothers. People don’t realize Frank more than Ken was so well rounded back then in all phases of the game and if you watch how he trained back then just like st Pierre they were ahead of their time and the curve.
Frank is the one that brought the multiple different combat styles to the ring
ICON right here
Love how he was asked about peds and he answered about weight cutting
he said he did test and HGH
Yeah it's obvious everyone was on something but there wasn't much science behind it yet
They will never be completely honest, even Arnold downplayed his usage, Arnold was experimenting like everyone, doctor supervision is BS
Not sure what you were watching but he clearly said everyone thought you needed to do it back then and he was always under a Dr's care doing it right.
You didn't listen to the first half of what he said. He started talking about weight cutting after the steroid talk.
Of course they were and still are
Even Royce Gracie was doing PEDs
Gsp was roided out too but everyone acts like he wasn't
Yeah him asking Dana for the title shot. No way he was natural.
GSP literally left the sport because people taking steroids. GSP is a product of consistency
@@dougkornegay He literally left because they started testing more strictly for steroids... Don't bullshit yourself and think that GSP never took a PED his entire life. He still worked his ass off, no doubt about that, but the reality is all of these guys are on this stuff
@@dougkornegay bro gsp would hold a guy down for 25 minutes straight and do a backflip at the end of the fight. Gsp was steroids
Anyon3 who will cheat to win, which most champions will ( vaseline) is gonna take a little something. Plus his gut started looking ridiculous from long term use and even had some pretty bad problems, cant remember if it was cholitis, think it was
Met both Ken and Tito in person over the years, and Tito is just naturally a lot bigger than Ken. When you meet Tito, he looks like he 250-260 lbs.
Absolutely, I asked tito one time “how the hell do you make 205”. His head is as big a five gallon bucket. He laughed…
@@lawrencefranck9417 Tito took a picture of the scale after that weigh-in Ken is talking about later on that night and he was back up to 225lbs. He posted a picture of it online. I think he said that he's over 230 when he steps into the cage. But his cardio was always, always top notch at 205.
He probably was walking around at 250, training camp would get him down to 240, cutting down to 205 and then using IV fluids to get back to 240 in time for the fight.
Back then IVs were legal.
@@kelainefes LOL, no way he was cutting 35 lbs during fight week. Maybe 20-25 on the high end but 35?? LOL
He is not the only one that did that, especially back in the day when IVs where legal.@@McCracken216
Ken weighed 201 for the first Ortiz fight! He weighed 206 for the 2nd one if I remember rightly, Ortiz refused to fight Ken if he weighed 205, but Ortiz didn’t make weight at 206.5! If I remember rightly?
Given the looks of guys like Manny Yarborough, Kevin Rozier, and Thomas Ramirez they we're definitely on PED's, donuts!
Rampage is the great friend you wish you had.
Man Ken Shamrock was down right likable here!!
people are still on roids in the UFC, just during training, it helps your body recover to train just as hard the next day, but when youre six weeks out from a fight you cycle off then they test you, its like the NFL they send you a letter saying hey in two months were coming to test you on this day……youre like cool i’ll stop taking them in a month
First he said he was doing it correctly under doctor care and then he said that they were doing it without science and just on some street style.
I think he meant he had a prescription for the Test but that he didn't know anything about weight cutting or how to use the test and still pass the tests.
Titto tapped
Early on??? Shoot, they are still doin it
Dan Severn was clean
I'm taking PEDs right now. Coffee and Tylenol. The definitely enhance my performance in the mornings. It really pisses me off when guys like Bisping say hendo and Vitor were cheating. It was legal when they were doing it. If commissions rightfully ban weight cutting in the future, it doesn't mean that the sports biggest weight cutters were cheating by doing it when it was legal.
When was it ever legal? I just thought they weren’t tested properly. Morally wrong. No fighter should be on steroids, dangerous sport as it is.
@Jackssw trt was legal with doctor supervision/approval up until 2014ish. The problem with TRT is that its not something a healthy athlete in their 20s or 30s should be on unless they abused steroids at some point or they have a dodgy doctor...TRT was basically a legal way to roid up so the UFC made it a banned treatment.
@@jaytok7 never knew that.
Fairness is about an equal playing field, not being drug free. Everyone knows the playing field when ped’s were legal than there is now while Jon Jones is the only fighter in history to get an open exemption to fail every drug test for the rest of his life.
Lmao that fake ass narrative, every "fail" he has wouldn't even be counted as a fail by today's standards. Comfortably in acceptable range. Stay salty tho 🤡
Some juice can take forever to metabolite some mummies in Peru have been found with coca leaf metabolites in their bodies .
If a test is sensitive enough it can detect even the smallest traces like fingerprints, I consider Jones da goat because he fought when juice WAS RAMPANT n came on top hez not my favorit mma guy
Its actually
Very good point.
The fact that Costa, Usman, Romero can get away on a consistent basis just tells you there is no equal playing field, in fact all the Brazilian fighters look like they're on PEDs
@@JohnnytNaturalCosta is THE MOST TESTED fighter. His scientists arent that good. The fact you have never seen great genetics is strange.
Thats why fighting in weight classes is lame. Who is better cutting weight and loading up before the fight. Dude shows up 10lb heavier to the fight, yeah hes going to have an advantage
Yeah, Tito picked him up and carried him to the fence like a child.
Most of them are still on something
Microdosing and untested, full on cycles, are not at all the same
@@mikemugs7 Cheating is cheating.
@@memebro3181 Scientifically its not
@@mikemugs7 It is.
"microdosing"...okay buddy lol@@mikemugs7
Ped user getting annoyed about another fighters using peds
UNBELIEVABLE
right?
I didnt even watch da video
Respect to ken shamrock thou for keeping it real. However let’s be real real, anyone who’s in the top 10 , wheathrr it’s mma, boxing , kickboxing .., is on some shit.
Absolutely they are using. People just play stupid and make pretend to be naive to amuse themselves
They still are! Primary example, Connor McGregor!
Sorry but Royce didnt use it.
Best exogenous wins!
The reason Tito bigger is cause he didn't have the body builder roid physique. Ken did, he illuded to it in his story, how they did drugs that hurt cardio, aka mass building. Those vanity muscles are only for show.
it was alright if they were you only live once enjoy life.
Come on now. In one breath he says "I always did it right and was under a doctors care." then he says "I was just from the street we didn't have science."
You juiced, just because someone who lsed juiced better doesn't mean you didn't.
He didn't say he didn't. He said they were doing it better
Was everyone in every era of ufc on something?
This podcast is 10days old... already getting better guests and views than Thicccboy Schlaub
Rampage just trying to cover up his own use, and this is the worst way to do it.
Would like to have seen Tito at the table too.
Tito has the IQ of a houseplant, nobody wants to hear him talk.
They will never be honest, let's be real who in the top tier looks natural? And tell me why they're never consistent, Rose, Max, Brandon, Gus, Nate, Cruz, Cowboy, Wonderboy these guys are never consistent because when you're natural you can't compete consistently against no natural fighters, then you got Kabib, GSP, Olivera, Overreem, Brock, Conor, Volk, Jones, Izzy, Usman almost all the great legends look like they're on PEDs
Olivera🤣🤣 The skinny guy that gets knocked down every fight & bullied by Islam? Just lunacy
@@clutch7548PED’s enhance your performance. For example, if you’re taking a PED that increases your cardio, you’re not going to get big from it. To get big you have to lift weights, and in a fight you don’t want to carry bunch of muscle, it slows you down and destroys your cardio.
@@clutch7548 Yeah and TJ is even more skinny on EPO and test, you know nothing about PEDs, look at him before and you will know the difference, he was skinner than Raul Rosas Jr who is natural, and if you compare the two right now it's night and day difference in their physique, everyone says how strong Oliveria is, he started juicing when he lost to Max
Shamrock basically said weight cutting is a bigger advantage than steroids.
Its hard to see guys like Gracie or Severn being on it. Also I wouldn't think Tank or Taktarov or Couture would have been it but u never know.
Royce Grace definitely juiced up for some of his fights in the 2000's. Go watch those fights and you'll see he had a physique that wasn't there in the 1990's.
@@endwigast5212 sorry I meant early Royce ... he had almost no muscle tone ...it would be hard to see him on the sauce
tank what? he was on a lot of juice same as randy and everyone else @@johngallagher72
@@endwigast5212didn't he get popped at some point?
@@johngallagher72Theres PEDS specifically to help with endurance not muscle so that’s what he would have been on.
Ken got waxed by tito
Well one is Irish-American and the other is Mexican-American.
😂😂😂😂 he never answered the question
Trt should be given to every single middle aged male on earth idc what you say about anabolics if done under medically supervised conditions it has changed my life for the better in every area
Not everyone needs it this is just a ridiculous idea
@@Tumorcoach not only does it have muscle building properties, it's helps with libido, depression, sleep, vitality, confidence. All these people who suffer from depression also suffer from low testosterone. Let me guess your one of those people who care about the ethical side of trt.
@@ryan8430 you do realize if you aren’t deficient you don’t need it…. And if you’re deficient and add more it just makes all the symptoms worse right? And not I care about the facts and don’t make dumb takes like the one above. Literally zero evidence saying everyone who suffers from depression suffers from low t. It has it used but everyone… that’s smooth 🧠
@@ryan8430 do you just make up claims
@@Tumorcoach no I'm on it you goof these are the things I've benefited from being on it. Been on trt since I was 35 I'm 41
When yall gonna get felony on the show
Ken was clearly on PEDs
He literally said it
Does anyone really understand what Ken was saying?
He's saying that steroid use is a science not an art. Him and the lion's den guys were more attune to what pro wrestlers would use, which itself was usually from what body builders would use. While it may make you look good, in reality it wasn't really that great for athletic use. Tito, if he was on something, was clearly better educated on it.
The Gracies didn't juice.
So Royce Gracie is not a Gracie now? You know the same Royce Gracie who got popped?
@@instaves you're right in 2007...I didn't know that. I didn't even know he was active after the 90's...
The Gracies juiced AND they also admitted to "greasing".
Yeah Royce was jucied up at K1 Dynamite in LA they removed the win from him due to testing positive, the funny thing about that fight was everyone on the card tested positive even Jonny Morton that not only got viciouly K.Oed in 20 seconds but got his fight purse taken because he tested positive
Tito spanked ken property,,, lumps on his head.
Ken still making excuses for losing to TIto. I was there at the fight, ringside, Tito was a better fighter, he was part of the new generation. Ken was now part of the past.
Ken was rouded up long before his tito match, long before. Full of shit
He didn't say he wasnt
you really don't pay attention do you?…he said he was
they were all on testosterone even when rampage was in the ufc...the ufc doctors would put them on testosterone
Steroids kills the heart
So that’s why he lost that fight
Ken was roided to the gills.
Ken was on steroids his whole career
Is Rampage Pregnant 🤰 🤔
dude if i spent half of my life cutting weight, gaining weight cutting weight gaining weight, i would say screw it to and just let myself go too
I think even right now, if ur a top guy then you’re on shit. And if you look good and are marketable, then the organization will protect you, simple as that ,
Yeah, Ken, Coleman, Fry loads of them were juiced to the eyeballs
Shamrock acting like he wasnt juicy
Do your ears work dummy? He literally admitted it
Yeah. He got popped for Test, deca and winstrol all in one shot lol
Who asked who?
Shamrock was an absolute beast
when was this?
@@WAPticon when he fought Fry
@longshlongsilver293 his best fight was against Fujita imo. Honestly tho he was always over inflated
Really ??? Geez I thought steroids did all the damn work… duuuuuhhhh. Of course I know they don’t. And what part of my comment gave that brain cell of yours the idea that I’m against them all being juiced up ??? I want every god damn athlete under the sun to be jacked up on shit. Baseball was a lot better when guys were jacked. Same goes for MMA. What I don’t like is clowns like rampage wanting to keep sweeping it under the rug. But making it seem like he doesn’t want the legend to be disrespected. When in actuality, a true real legend will have no problems talking about it. So respect to shamrock for being very upfront about it.
You clearly arent as bright as you think… In your other comment you said “everyone in the top 10 is cheating”… You NEVER heard of hard work?
Tattoo hairline? FAIL