Receive an Amazing New Player Pack, only available for the next 30 days! Play Call of War for FREE on PC or Mobile: 💥 callofwar.onelink.me/q5L6/TPP001 Sources: docs.google.com/document/d/18Z4aAVufNZIa-u6zXqyuWuIBoQbVLHVCLQOWRLQMLEk/edit?usp=sharing Corrections: At 5:13 I put the flag upside down, don't know how that happened, the Dutch must be too strong. Sorry!
I've been watching the video for about six minutes now and I have to say it's of great quality. Unfortunately I must point out a mistake: at 5:13 the flag is wrong. The flag of Yugoslavia was blue white and red. Thank you in advance for any future correction or for the future recognition of the mistake!
@@ThePresentPast_listening to your accent i suspect your dutch? Maybe a video about dutchbat's role within the war? As there was no mention of it here
6:55 you said just how many the victims that we have name of but not that there was found in research that was not finished more than 300 thousand and was estimated anywhere between 700 thousand and 1.2 million. Ustaše were the ones that were praising themselves to Germany about killing around 1.2 million in there( this is very upper limit is from) but German executives thought it's to much and estimated little short of million and even that is more than 10 times more of what you said.
@@Johnconno You mean the right wing government? Yes, right wingers caused this war too. Every war, actually. That's basically what being 'right-wing' is = use of force/war being acceptable.
As someone from an ex Yugoslav country, after watching countless videos made by foreigners about Yugoslavia, I came to the conclusion that only we from the Balkan, can make a video that represents the real situation, every foreigner is always missing some key elements.
@@mkpodkasti227 mogli bismo, kad bi seli zdravorazumski ljudi sa sve 3 strane, stavile sve cinjenice na papir i maksimalno otvoreno pristupili problematici.
The Balkans are beyond gorgeous, Middle Earth itself, and the residents of Belgrade once saved my life. I got robbed and stranded, deep inside Serbia, by a Brit from whom I had accepted a ride to Greece. Four-day walk back to Belgrade, in shock when I arrived, with no ID. And, of course, the language barrier. They found someone who spoke decent French. Belgrade then fed me, gave me a bed and a shower, and the next day AMEX managed to redeem all of my cashier's checks before he could cash them. (I had memorized the serial#s.) Belgrade, you're my home. I have loved you, with all my heart, for decades. Thank you for saving my life. ❤
funny thing, I remember reading an interview with Robert De Niro, it had to be the late eighties, where he told a Yugoslav journalist that when he was a college student he went for a trip through Europe and managed to spend most of his money halfway through. He was on a train in Bosnia when he met a local who took pity on him and brought him to his home in Sarajevo. The family fed him and got him a bed to sleep. He stayed there for several days and by the time he decided to leave he was already friends with those people. They even gave him some pocket money. The journalist then asked him if he ever went back to meet them at which he answered, a bit embarrassed, that no, he never got the chance.
yes there is an irony... but this half hour video, although being concise, hits the target. Yugoslavia might have been product of its time but if you look back long enough it was the wish of almost all Slavs living in this region. The problem is that it came too late to build YU identity and both Yugoslavias failed doing that one with King Alexander and another with Tito. As someone who grew up in that country, I can just say that in many ways it was a good country to live in, and also that I am very, very sorry that it ended up in a bloody war.
I too found irony in the end of the video where discussions of “war torn” countries is juxtaposed by a game called “call of war”… but, thus is the nature of youtube sponsorships and I cannot blame the creator for taking money where its available!
Its a video game dude. Being sponsored by a war video game doesnt mean you support war. Dont try to find a reason to complain and judge everywhere you possibly can.
Dear Dutch people. You've done enough in the Balkans. We don't need you to tell our story. Focus on your tragic political situation please. Lots of love xx
I have a feeling that most of the world thinks the former Yugoslavian countries looks post apocalyptic and that we live in tents or have nothing to eat, while going to sleep to sound of bombs like that is just not true we have beautiful cities, nature, beaches we have everything. We are not dirt poor neither. These are all old and unrealistic stereotypes.
Better the west thinks that than encourage them to bring their fucked up ways into your beautiful countries, the balkans has been the safest place we as a family have ever visited
As a Bosnian Serb, I will hardly disagree with you on that. Until you get to know them better, you will find out that they are some of the rudest, sneakiest people you have ever met in your life
Why I am not suppressed that a Dutch TH-camr doesn't even mentions, that at Srebrencia Dutch peacekeepers run away cowardly during the night?! Greatest example of Western commitment...
Pot calling the kettle black there. If you have to criticize so badly on somebody providing incomplete information, why don't you add into your criticism the fact that the US, France, and the UK decided against providing the aerial support Dutchbat needed so much, because the English and French were afraid Mladic would take French and British soldiers hostage? Air strikes were used after the fall of Srebrenica, and were proven to be effective. If that would have happened just weeks earlier, it could have saved a lot of lives and trauma. It might still say something about western commitment, but there wasn't an awful lot Dutchbat could do at the time but to retreat. But I'm guessing that doesn't fit your narrative, does it?
There's a rumour with a few evidences that the muslim side aranged with the british alowence of a bigger war crime in order to get international help so they provoked lokal Serbs braking peace agreement and than pulled back the Duch UN squad. The rest is known. Many Bosnians blame Izetbegovic
@@jdjphotographynl Top UN officials, Brit. & Fr., decided that Srebrenica has to happen - and Bihać, but they were 3 hours late - that's the reason why they removed UN armies and weaponry from Bosnia on fields around Tomislavgrad, Croatian place with no threat from any side, "to make some military exercise". Also they brought new armies called RRF, but it wasn't brought to defend civilians either.
We all know who is responsible for starting the war and who had the greatest interest, those who are involved in the world's most conflict-ridden. I lived through that war.
27:26 "Why was never anything invested in Kosovo..." On the salary slip at the beginning of each month, there was a "for the Under-developed Kosovo" salary deduction clause, which all the people of Yugoslavia had to pay which went on for decades. A form of mandatory contribution, if you will...
In the 90s you lost the job only and only because you were Albanian, all schools were closed for no good reason. In the end Serbia started 4 wars and they lost all of them.
@@lulzimkajtazi9654 People lost jobs because they were not productive and appeared at work just to pick up salaries, not because of their nationality. If Albanians were avoiding work on purpose, then you cannot blame Serbs for that. Same thing with terrorist, Serbian police was fighting against terrorist because they were breaking the law of the state they were living in, not because of their nationality. It just happens that those terrorists were Albanians. Leaders of Albanian terrorist organization "Kosovo Liberation Army" were arms, drug and human organ dealers, human traffickers, are after the war were promoted to ministers, prime ministers, presidents of self-proclaimed state of Kosovo, and now imprisoned and trialed in Hague for all those crimes. What schools were closed? Where's the evidence for those claims? Prishtina had University with classes held in both Albanian and Serbian language. Even today, here in Serbia we have news in Albanian language on Serbian national television, and I remember seeing those since my childhood in the 80s. Serbia didn't start any war; it was defending its people. There are no winners in war, but without NATO's help to Albanian terrorists, you'd be typing different story. Albanian government of so-called Kosovo can put their victorious brown nose down and keep lips tightly on US government's ass to enjoy "independence".
@@lulzimkajtazi9654There is historical evidence that Serbia was singlehandedly supplying 60% of the Yugoslavian fund for the underdeveloped, as per Tito's and British resolution. What makes you beleive that ANY Albanian illegal refugee from "Anglo-Saxon arrangement of "Albania" with the collapsing Ottoman Empire in order to keep Bosphorus and Suez in British hands, should be welcomed in Serbia????
@@robotube7361 - Yes, indeed. He mentions the Croatian nationalists and their atrocities in the beginning, but somehow neglects to mention that the pro-independence Croatian nationalists in the 1990s used the exact same symbol? LMAO "The Weight of Chains" is a much much better documantary.
@@Bike_Lion I agree. The Weight of chains its far more truthful but we all know The others want to play victims and blame the Serbs only and stilck to Western US/NATO propaganda. the serbs were blamed simply because they were sticking to their guns and refused to bent the knee to USA while the rest went to kiss its ass.
Sure Serbia did not invest in it, Milosevic's regime allowed militant groups to commit revenge for acts of terrorism committed by KLA (UCK) which are also a terrorism. But Albanians started it first, and they used force and brutal tactics, then when they got the equal response they started playing victims. This should be resolved with re-integration but with equal rights for everyone and certain higher authonomy status like it had in the past, but before that, we in Serbia need to get rid of Vucic and do democratic reforms, to have independent, strong and transparent government institutions.
@@leukaj733 nah, we're gonna re-integrate via force, if they don't want a peaceful re-integration, when the time is right. We can wait 1000 years, we have patience. We're slowly building up the army and learning from Russian mistakes.
As someone who was born in Croatia, lived in Bosnia and now Serbia, Yugoslavia was destroyed so that bigger players can take valuable resources from these countries. Simple as that.
Sums it up in a nutshell, if you trace back any conflict between people in the Balkans in the last 150 years (because we never had problems with each other before that) you will always find a foreign entity at play, in the case of the balkans mostly Austrian or German, it was never internal, interesting that...
Jugoslavija je nastala na mitu južnih Slavena. Skupini koja realno nema zajednički jezik niti zajedničku kulturu. Etnicitet se stalno spominje kao nešto nazadnjacko, ali je to prirodno čovjeku. Apstraktne ideje da možemo živjeti pod istim krovom samo ako to želimo ignoriraju čovjekovu prirodu, a rezultat smo vidjeli. Komunizam i jedinstvo su mentalne bolesti. Možemo biti dobri susjedi pa čak i prijatelji, ali nikad nećemo biti braća. Naš pećinski mozak nam to brani i čim prije to svi prihvate, bit će manje mrtvih.
It's funny how many inconsistencies, holes in the narrative and wrong premises fit into just half an hour of a historical "documentary"! This is on par with some of the lowest budget Hollywood crap.
He shows pictures and videos of demonstrations in Serbia and lies about those being Serbs protesting against the aggression to Croatia, and those protests had nothing to do with that. Those are organized by nationalists, you can see woman wearing a chetnic cap there.
@@maniacZesci There was anti war protest in Belgrade but this protest was not on off it,Milosevic wanted to save Yugoslavia and this guy in beard wanted Monarchy Serbia
Taj čovek je radio za Ciu, kada je 9 marta 91 izašlo pola mil ljudi protiv rata u HR on stupa taj dan na scenu. każe da su ljudi izašli da protestvuju laži koje se o njemu pričale na dnevniku.Koliko se laži redovno izgovara pa ljudi nisu izašli. Milosevic morao da istera vojku i tenkove na ulicu.
What superficial thinking. . You are also an occupied, banana republic with a huge imposed debt. You will have to pay off the debts for decades. In the end, you will have to pay off the debts of the EU (a gang of corporate banks).
@@Maverick550 We are top. Just go yuouuuuuur ways to slavery status again. You are and were very selfish, ang go to "prosperity" under EU, and after that in Austro- Hungarian Monarchy, with special status,as citizens of Second class, because it's very well known status of Slavs in colonial states Good 💯 😊 luck with that 👍
What a stupid comment. Yes they did stop the war. Believe it or not. You are either a Serb or a conspiracy theorist from a western country. There is no other way to spew such a stupid comment.
Suppressing religion and especially supressing to talk about the atrocities which were commited during ww2 may have been a huge mistake as it didnt really heal the wounds, instead the crimes were put under the carpet and emerged again when economic hardship due to economic mismanagement and horrible leadership. Tito made a huge mistake in taking up those massive IMF loans, which lead to interest going up as much as 20% after the oil crisis. This ruined the economy of the country, combined with a newly emerging upper class because of austerity measures imposed because of those loans. It lead to richer republics complaining about redistribution to invest into poorer republics creating a sort of new nationalism. Very good documentary!
"It lead to richer republics complaining about redistribution to invest into poorer republics creating a sort of new nationalism." The only reason Croatia and Slovenia were richer republics in the first place was because the KPJ (Communist party of Yugoslavia) had economic plans for development of SR (Socialist Republics) and Croatia and Slovenia were the 1st ones on the agenda. Once Serbia, Bosnia and Macedonia were supposed to be invested into Croatia and Slovenia suddenly didn't want to contribute but they didn't mind it when the other republics were paying for their economies.
@@mradicevic I dont see that as a contradiction to what I wrote. I was more setting that into the context of a new nationalism by newly emerging economic elites as a consequence of capitalist reforms.
I think loans are an overblown talking point. Ante Marković had $16B in debt and the same amount in cash reserves. Today, each Republic on average owes $160B. No one is any better with their loan situation.
...+ Croatia and Slovenia were in fact getting everything from Serbia, first complete factories,from 1946 and few years late,r and later raw materials, which were then placed as a finished product on the huge market of Yugoslavia. The only real loser in that unfair distribution of capital was in fact Serbia (it lost big, best factories, like FM Rakovica in Belgrade), Kragujevac, etc...
"NATO is here to stop the war in Yugoslavia" Sure they are, sure they are. One good line a friend of mine once said. The one thing many other countries never really pass on, or at least quite as deeply is generational trauma. And that's what has taken root the best and been passed on for many generations now in the Balkans. France and England have waged wars for well over a millennium. Some of them literally lasting for a century. Yet today even tho they make fun of one another, they get along, trade and dont worry about the past. The Balkans will never be that way. One has to die so the others can move on. There is no "the war is over" there is only waiting. And as soon as the US no longer needs Bondsteel in Kosovo, or is per-occupied with something else, another war will erupt. One generation has to "move on". We are literally poisoning our children and making sure they or their children will die in a trench one day.
you are not, US and Nato still poison you everyday. Do investigate the media.... the money behind it. You should start again a federation à la brics (kroatia humhum?), as you still share the goods (on shelves from Slovakia to Makedonia) and language.
You, many of you, are a mix of your provinces, as much as the French are for ex. Germany is your real villain, not only as EU representative. And Bruxelles practices the blackmail and regimechange in BigBrother's steps. DO recover eachother to battle your wrongdoers! please!
You are saying that bondsteel is the reason that serbia is such a corrupt state that cant offer nothing to its citizens except hate against its neighbours and ultra nationalism that leads to war?
When war was about to break out, my oldest brother was on a weekend leave from military and dad immediately put him on the bus and sent him to Vienna, there was no discussion. Three days later two men in uniforms showed up but dad said - no, he didn't even come home, I thought he was with you guys...About 10 days later another soldier, my brother's friend came and said - please help, I have nowhere to go. He was a Croat and escaped the military but couldn't leave Serbia because the war was already raging. He stayed with us for a month until he found the way to go home and cross the newest "border". I wonder how many soldiers had to face terrible situations, all of a sudden the country you serve's no more, and your life's in danger, because some lunatic may decide you're an enemy. And that's how it was, some people stayed sane, some turned into beasts.
I see lots of people complaining in the comments of inaccuracy, I’m interested in learning more about the history of Yugoslavia and the area, could someone direct me to a better documentary?
From someone who's dad went to this war in his 20s, with a group of men in their 20s. Friends and buddies. I can tell you, they never wanted this fight, from my young age as a kid he always reminded me we are all slavs and I shall never hate or cast shade on fellow Croatian, Macedonian, Bosnian or anyone really. We all know from deep inside our souls Serb would never pull a weapon on Bosnian, Croat or else. Despite the many reasons he had to maybe tell me otherwise. He thought me that unity will prevail and that our love for each other and respect nobody can ruin never like west did then. There are multiple sources with admission of acts in aim of destabilization of Yugoslavia. I stand by the idea they feared us, united, standing strong. They had to push us to hate each other. Used criminals and extremists to start massacre and bloodshed, where civilians and families were only who lost. Loved ones and friends who they were united with before someone else put their hands onto our lands. We have been constantly invaded and fought for our independence, Nazis, Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians. I mean, whatever people say, at this point, does not matter. I know we are all strong and united we could be even better. Sadly, there is always something West does not like. They always find an enemy, they have been doing it for decades lately. I cannot understand how such nation always has an conflict with someone. Never takes care of themselves. But is always smart about other parts of the world and is first to take sides and provoke ethnic conflict. Just look at the world. I have nothing to say anymore. Stay doomed not to know your history, and repeat it.
I'm from the area and while there's a lot of love, let's not pretend there wasn't and still isn't a lot of animosity between the different groups that have nothing to do with foreign powers. In the end, the country was destroyed because we couldn't get along under a single flag, they just added fuel to the fire. The idea of South Slavic unity was dead before even WWII arrived if you look at the political strife and ethnic tensions in the country in the world war interim period. If it wasn't for the communist autocratic rule, Yugoslavia wouldn't even exist for the next half a century. No wonder it fell so fast after the dictatorship faded away. In the end, the romantic idea of unity met the bleak reality that, while we do love each other, we don't love each other enough to want to live under the same roof. Being neighbors seems to suit everyone the best. It's a shame really, because there's so much more that we could've accomplished together had we really seen eye to eye, but the mutual trust was never there.
If there were no germs of disunity within the Yugoslavs themselves, nobody could have broken you up. It does you no good to put all the blame on foreign forces and not face the truth about the role you yourselves have played. The mass killings and horrible things were done by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, not by some aliens. Truth is not nice, but you cannot advance if you do not face it.
@@mrgalaxy396 If you read the comments it's simple to understand why Yugolslavia split. There were nations who saw themsleves as central european looking to the west and a nation who looked to the east. This is the main reason why it fell apart. Uncomapatibility about how different nation saw their futures. It was a comedy before the war. For example, Serbia imposed a trade embargo against Slovenia cause Slovenians banned tens of thousands of Serbs form Serbia and Bosnia form entering when they wanted to do their rally shouting This is Serbia ! Long live Slobo ! The so called Rallies Of Truth aka The Serb truth. Slovenia just didn't want anything to do with those medieval rednecks.
As a Bosnian-Herzegovinian, it's hard to feel connected. Youths are poisoned by ideas of hate, and they will grow up and pass on the same ideas. There is hope, if we forget the criminals from the past, recognize the crimes and continue with our lives.
@@g1uh4 Creating a new Yugoslav identity and getting rid of ethnic nationalist identities would do the trick. Do you think Germany would've got successful if every German Land started fighting their neighbours for silly historical reasons? Remember what we today see as regional identities also have slight linguistic differences (sometimes much bigger than Croatia and Bosnia) and also historically had wars with each other. Do you think a world where Germany would collapse would be great?
@@gamermapper Trust me it would not. Neither of us wants to go under the same system. It would cause a new war much worse than the previous one. I've grown up here and what I can say, God help us. If there is no war, there is political tensions and corruption.
well, I don't know what to say, some elements are well researched, but some important parts are missing, for example, Battle for Vukovar in 1991, Operation oluja, The beggining of war in Croatia and all the massacres, not only in Bosnia. I HOPE YOU'LL READ THIS COMMENT.
This video doesnt satisfy me 1. You claim ethnic tensions were manufactured myths but even you couldnt avoid mentioning WW2 massacres, even if you just glossed over it. Where did that hatred spring from? 2. OK, propaganda can push peaceful neighbours to fight, but you fail to address the sheer viciousness of the war. It wasnt "just" murder and rape, but the details of the how of the atrocities which I cant mention here is almost unmatched in human history. The facts dont match your lovey dovey portrayal of the ethnicities.
I'm from Croatia and from what i've heard the Serbs commited some of the worst atrocities you can possibly imagine. If you heard what they did it would disturb you to the core. It was because a lot of them were paramilitary consisting of criminals, one of their commanders was a literal mob boss called Arkan.
@@TheDennys21 Google "srbosjek". A neighbor in one part of formerly Serbian majority Croatia (RS Krajina) had a huge scar across his neck from ww2. He died in 2014, but i saw it and i spoke with him. It was made by Croatians slaughtering Serbians in an orthodox church over a barrel, collecting blood to be sent to Ante Pavelic for his birthday. The church has been demolished in 1994, and a school where all students were picked up and led to that church to be slaughtered was renamed from "memorial home" to "croatian home" in 2015 or so. He survived the slaughter because they were in a rush to kill all the people, so some who still gurgled and showed signs of life were thrown on the pile with the rest of the dead bodies. He woke up that night and crawled out. He was 16. Just a little story of what Croatians did.
As a Croat it pisses me of and at the same time its funny to me how many people from Croatia play dumb regarding WW2 crimes that Ustashe commited,but on the other side you have many people from Serbia that think that what Chetniks did during war of independence was justified because what happened during WW2.
Its not justified. No murdering civilians is justified in any war, but it is inevitable. What was done in 95 was from fear of same things not happening as they did in WW2. But not our nor Croatian and later Bosnian party were not interested in stopping the war and stop people exodus and separation. West sow the opportunity to grab whatever they can, which later they show by building second largest military base in Europe in Kosovo, and taking out resources.
@@milosstojanovic4623 Is there any other word you know other than west when it comes to scapegoating? The West did not need to do anything, the nationalists dismantled Yugoslavia the moment they started shedding blood. The west does not need some little base on Kosovo... Serbia is surrounded by NATO countries. But you know, keep blaming the West, and keep your head under water while Mr. Vucic gives away Kosovo for nothing, hell you'll be lucky if Belgrade is Serbian territory in 10 years. Tito's biggest mistake was dying, his 2nd mistake was being born in the bumfuck place known as the Balkans. Should have stayed in Russia.
I remember being told my grandpa was 100% Irish, when I asked my uncles they laughed and said, “the biggest chunk is Irish, but he’s a mutt. After Yugoslavia broke up, I think we counted 12 nationalities.” Made me chuckle before I realized how deadly the breakup was. Working towards a world filled with peace
Calling it a myth is correct. Because the version the servian state propagates is nothing more than fiction invented exactly for servian nationalism nothing more. The real battle of Kosovo was a multi ethnic anti ottoman coalition consisting of albanian, bosniak servian bulgar and hungarian lords and soldiers. But this of course doesn't really help fuel ethno nationalism hence the lying claiming it was only servs.
@@soul8938Moreover, the term “Kosovo” was only introduced by the Ottomans in the 19th century when they founded the Vilayet Kosova. “Besides, ‘Ova’ is an Ottoman word for area. That's why myth is the right term if you don't even have your own term for such an “important” region.
@@eMotta The term "Kosovo" is derived from the Serbian word "kos," which means "blackbird" (specifically, a blackbird of the genus Turdus). The term "Kosovo" itself is believed to have first appeared in Slavic languages in the medieval period. It is most notably associated with the Battle of Kosovo, which took place on June 28, 1389, between the Ottoman Empire and the medieval Serbian state. The name "Kosovo" was used to refer to the region of Kosovo Polje (meaning "Field of the Blackbirds" in Serbian), which is where the battle occurred. This usage in a Slavic language dates back to at least the 14th century.
@@milutinrs the name kosovo doesnt even derive from servian but bulgarian which ruled the area for a while. The area was known as Dardania and partly moesia for far longer. The name is being used temporarily now to avoid confusion.
For someone who has lived through these events, I have nothing else to say about this video, than to count all anti-western sentiments of people that are extra biased or extra ignorant. And btw, I was personally brainwashed by two CIA agents to vote for my countries independance from that country that kept the name of Yugoslavia for years to come.
@@jack-ht4tb Jack, you've exactly 0 clues about what you're talking about. Western media and creators fail to grasp the complexity of corruption, uneducated population and the historical context of Yugoslavian downfall. They also regularly fail to mention what US black ops did to spark the Yugoslav downfall by shoveling millions in the hands of politicians in order to break-up Yugoslavia. As you'll recall, US didn't like communists, and even though Yugoslavia never bothered anyone, US couldn't have it. The tensions didn't break out purely because of the rhetoric of the politicians. That might've been about 20% of it. The other 80% is US money. When Slobodan Milosevic fell, he fell due to a "student" organisation named OTPOR (meaning Resistance) that fought to end him. Now if you turn on your brain for a bit you'll maybe think "oh wait, how did a lowly student organisation have the money and the logistics to get the whole country to rise up?". Hard, cold American-made money. Millions of it. So yeah, Western documentaries regularly fail to dig through the CIA un-classified documents on Yugoslavia. It's public domain now, go and check. US did more damage in this world than all of the dictators combined in the 20-th century. And the world just stood drunk on dollars and freedom cool-aid.
@@jack-ht4tb Nope, just pointing out that there has been 0 good documentaries so far, made by Westerners, that are good. And this video is no exception.
Really informative video, but why would you accept a war game sponsor? Especially on this video. A game like that isn't made to inform people on history, it is made to capitalize on the already existing glorification of war. Please reconsider your sponsor or clarify.
Its a video game. Its entertainment. He is not being sponsored by the military industrial complex. Its not possible to make such long and high quality videos without sponsors, and the product being sponsored needs to match the population watching the video.
I feel like this creator is in the financial position to choose his sponsors and if he was not, I'd say don't make this video if this sponsor is your only choice. Glorification of war isn't worth it. I can see he shows negative impacts of war in this video, but I feel like a true anti war stance isn't present in this video. This sponsor doesn't help.
@@MCDorups You feel like, but you dont really know. Its super easy for you to sit at your computer and judge over inconsequential things. Once you make your own TH-cam channel and invest a crazy amount of effort and time into it, and rely completely on that for your living, you can come back and judge. And video games with war thematic are not glorification of war, thats an extremely stupid perspective.
@@obscureorcaI said if he doesn't have the option to choose a correct sponsor he shouldn't make this video. No matter his (financial)struggles. You feel like it's inconsequential, but you "really don't know", this channel has a big audience so my guess is people should be worrying about this kind of stuff.
@@MCDorups It is a correct sponsor. It's a video game. There is no glorification of war or violence. You are being unreasonable and looking for an excuse to complain and take a moral high-ground. He should absolutely do any subject he wants regardless of his financial position. We need smart young people who are independent to research these kinds of topics and educate the general population.
Absolutely no mention of Operation Oluja, nor of the deeds or Izetbegovic nor Tudjman when discussing the civil wars in Bosnia and Croatia. Absolutely no mention of the illegality of NATO intervention from the standpoint of International Law and how debated that was. Everything was our own fault, apparently, while giving the idea that the West was just a passive bystander, while in reality it was heavily invested in assisting the destruction of the country. Jesus, this video is as "objective" as the opinions of a Bronze Age farmer on quantum physics! However, I have to admit it was reasonably well sugar-coated for your average braindead Westerner, although that war video game sponsorship on a video like this is out of touch at best, disgusting at worst
@@owl2owl So now just cause 1 asshole all of serbs are "bad serb" for other things that got nothing to do with it. imagine if i branded every german today by A.H. 's doing in ww2, or every american ever a potential school shooter? I wont go into west's hypocrity cause its insane in every debate not just this when it comes to "civilian casualties" also known as "collateral damage" as to dehumanize it as much as possible
@@charo703 How is your question relevant to anything I said? Yes, the video blames it on nationalistic leadership (and returning to my original comment, it quite obviously blames it only on Milosevic and never even mentions Tudjman or Izetbegovic, which is exactly how you would tell invented fairly tales pretending to be history to an average Westerner), and... did I deny it? What I vehemently question is that the whole Yugoslav debacle is presented as if it was ultimately our fault (and I will specify it this time, by "us" I mean all the people of former Yugoslavia, inclusive of the nationalistic leaderships and everyone who fell for it), when all foreign interventionism and efforts to stir chaos are just never even remotely mentioned, probably accepting the trope that "Oh, it's the Balkans, of course they don't need foreign interventionism, they are savages who just like to kill each other from time to time". Well, no, I'm not having this retarded narrative.
This way you can hypnotize nations with ignorance and then take their tax dollars easily to justify your ambitions - and they will believe it’s all in their own best interest
It's half an hour... you want every small detail in 30 minutes? It is a solid yet shallow overview for somebody who doesn't know anything and wants to get the basic dates and names.
You leave out entirely the US role here. The US refused loans or aid unless yugoslav states declared independence. Thats what started sectarianism. You also leave out how, and this is documented fact, how the CIA airlifted muslim fighters from afghanistan to the balkans in order to form the KLA. So, come on man. You have to know this stuff.
17:57 you put Vuk Drašković as he is some peacemaker..in that time he was the one of the biggest serbian nationalist with dreams of "greater serbia" and he didn't had nothing against war,he did have against Milošević 'cause of their internal politics. and it was not a "youth protest" against war but a protest against government in organisation of Vuk Drašković and his party and they said that serbian government is in collaboration with Croats. edjucate yourself properly before you make videos,there are numerous incorrect and untrue informations in this video.
Vuk Draskovic was a secretary of Mika Spiljak’s office during Spiljak’s mandate as a president of executive council od Yugoslavia (prime minister equivalent). Spiljak was also a president of presidium when winter olimpic games were held in Sarajevo 1984 (before him Tito was on that position). Spiljak was in top five political figures since 1966 after Aleksandar Rankovic was politicaly eliminated. He announced and signed as a president of national parlament constitution from 1974 while second person who signed it was Stane Dolanc (head of federal state security service - Savezna UDBA poslije SDB and in his non-working hours a sponsor and protector of Arkan who was a son of his close friend). Spiljak’s name is often related in a case when former INA CEO Stjepan Djurekovic was murdered after he fled the country and rumors told that Arkan was a person who killed Djurekovic not due his political activity but to hide and protect Spiljak’s son Vanja who was involved in money malversations in INA where he worked. More suspicios came out when iz was discovered that Croatian office of state security also was trying to catch Djurekovic but someone was faster. It was the first time that execution was done by dofferent natinality than the person who was killed because the rule was that everyone will be responsible for their national members in order to avoid national conflict or questions. Returning to Draskovic- he was a highly ranked member of regime and one of the persons who were planned to become hard core nationalist in order to manage part of population that had national ideology or were related to those gruops during WW 2 and before
17:57 this man was no better than Milosevic. In the late 90's, to avoid prison/The Hague, he turned against Milosevic... and it worked. Before that he was one of the biggest nationalists in Yugoslavia and the one who advocated for "Greater Serbia."
@@ThePresentPast_lol, I loved the video. As a history buff, you are probably my favorite channel. I always wondered what the difference was between Yugoslavia and Germany at the time of unification in the 19th century. “Germany” use to have many different German dialects/languages, they were split on religion (Protestant vs Catholic), etc.
Really Dude , Now tell me the true story of your the OVERRACE Dardainiannas in 5000 BC , or havin a statue of bill clinton in THE BEST CITY IN the WORLD 🤣
there were also the Domobranci who were the fascics Slovenes who wanted to make Slovenia free and alied to Germany. and no, we never lived in a „diverse nation“ Slovenia was always a homogenious Slovene society witch was unfortunately always ocupied and backstabed
@Rade-yy7geyoure right, i honestly dont know other hostories than slovene so i cannot speak on that but it is very bad that he got away woth so many mistakes
I admire the attempt, but the Yugoslav wars still have even more nuance than what you mention. To be fair to you, the Yugoslav wars are so complicated that no youtuber has really done a satisfactory job of being fair and unfair enough to cover the Yugoslav wars. You didnt boil the conflict down to "the west caused it" or "the east caused it" and i am glad for that
Your assessment regarding ottomans is completely wrong. They did not bring any peace nor prosperity to the Balkans. They were responsible ones for destruction and disunification in the first place. Before the ottomans came in, the Serbs were an empire. The Serbs fought against ottoman aggression and tried to stop the ottoman invasion of the Balkans. During the Kosovo battle, Lazar Hrebeljanović (the national hero of Serbs) died. As a result, the Serbian Empire scattered, and many territories fell into ottoman hands. Ottomans were the brutal looter invaders, who terrorized the Balkans and literally ruined the Balkan lands. ottomans left less developed and poor countries in the Balkans at their fall in 1918.
The attitude of the guy speaking at around 27 minute mark is not the attitude shared by the majority of young people in Serbia or Serbs in general. This is the attitude of the so called "Second Serbia" consisting of auto chauvinistic liberal leftists.
I'm not sure NATO ever liked the idea of Yugoslavia, as far as NATO possibly having a hidden hand in the Civil War among the Ustasa and all that... I don't know?
❤ as a Serb that was growing up in Yugoslavias republic Serbia it is hard to understand why a beautiful country as Yugoslavia was destroyed by the West as the Varsow pact was dead at 1989 Berlin Wall takedown.
It's concerning to see someone without expertise in Balkan affairs editing an entire video about a topic they don't fully understand, seemingly just to earn money from a war game sponsor. This kind of content is detrimental to our youth's understanding of important issues. Some people should refrain from speaking on topics they're not knowledgeable about, allowing those with genuine expertise to be heard instead.
This is a false image and the narrative is taken out of context. Why did the author skip the mission called Storm, which aimed (and achieved) the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Krajina (Croatia)? Why didn't he talk about the suffering of the Serbs in their holy land Kosovo and Metohija? Why didn't he state the real reason for the NATO bombing of Serbia, but also of its citizens, civilians and all the victims who died in that shameful act of attack by 30 countries (including USA) on one small Serbia?
Everbody has his own opinion and make actions reasonable for a war. The only really true fact is that the people were so stupid starting killing each other no matter what happend. I m from yugoslavia half from "croatia" half from "serbia" but the war was never an argument between my parents. People have to stop to listen to any politics.
There is a serbian movie called Rane(Wounds)(1998). Its plot is set in the Belgrade of the 90s from the eyes of kids from that time. It's an absurdist comedy of sorts, but the only absurd thing about the movie is that the things depicted in the movie were much more absurd in real life. 90s really are a time of wounds on the former yugoslav countries, wounds which effects can still be felt today.
To understand 90s war i recommended the best movie on that topic LEPA SELA LEPO GORE ( PRETTY VILLAGES PRETTY FLAME ) you have it with enlish subtitles,u wont regret it,if u like and interested in Yugoslavia land of honey and blood.
FALSIFIKAT FILM 🎥 : PRAVI NAZIV " Lepa SRPSKA sela lepo gore a ružna ostaju ružna i kad gore " ( zločini nad civilima u vojnicima Srbima i decom i bebama u pet opština pod kontrolom VRS Vojske Republike Srpske od 1991 - 1995 .godine ) ... Vođa ZLOČINAČKE BANDE sa više od nekoliko 1000 vojnika naoružanih do zuba divizije u sastavu LAŽNE ARMIJE Bosne i Hercegovine u LAŽNO DEMILITARIZOVANOJ enklavi u gradu Srebrenici pod zaštitom NIZOZEMSKIH VOJNIKA UN ... odmazda za nastavak zločine nad civilima iz WW2 nastavljena u WW3 do kraja nad Srbima civilima u Podrinju MUSLIMANSKE MUŠKARCE VOJNIKE STIŽE KAZNA U avgustu 1995.godine ... nije bilo genocida nad njima samo je preživeli od nekoliko 1000 izginulih u obruču VRS u proboju prema gradu Tuzli zarobljeno do 1000 njih pokušali su bekstvo i svi vojnici čuvari su ih pobili u samoodbrani ... Groblje u političarima je muslimansko vojničko groblje a ne LAŽNI GENOCID ... Groblje u Bratuncu je groblje završenog genocida iz WW2 u WW3 nad civilima u vojnicima Srbima ... Bil Klinton i Hilary treba nam povod da NATO Luftwwafe bombarduje VRS - Vojsku Republike Srpske i VRSK - Vojsku Republike Srpske Krajine ... TREBA NAM SREBRENICA predsedniče Alija Izetbegović SKLONI i Zaštitu NASERA ORIĆA sve ostale žrtvuj ... TOK ISTORIJE ... MileR 001 ... Srpska Nikita 🇷🇸 ...
the difference between catholic and orthodox is big and you put it very superficially there "a war about who jesus loves the most" it's kinda propagandistic thing to say as if made to make them both look stupid or something, all I can say is bruh... otherwise good quality footage and all, also nato is kinda bad and always contribute to destabilisation
For a Bosnian like me (That lives now in Germany) I can also speak up to Bosnia in many Positive and Negative ways. Born when the war was going to an End and where my Mother was hiding with me while my Father and Grandfather fought to defend our living area,I've never saw the war with my own eyes or memory. However the aftermath of said war has hit me at an insane amount,rarely did I went out from fear of attacks,never went to clubs,never had a girlfriend,everything was corrupted in my eyes. I have 1 memory that is semi-clean,it is the Jeeps and Trucks that were parked on the top of the road next to our house,they looked like military,but didn't knew who they belonged. My Father and Mother told me to go inside and hide,saw soldiers talk to my father,didnt knew what they wanted,but if I would connect to this day,would say that the military wanted they equipment back,my father never told me what it was they wanted. Thro the years I've lived a peaceful life at my home,one recollection of my memory that is like a haze of cloud were the Visit from Soldiers in my Kindergarden,they had barrette,I thought they were British,but later my life I've found out they were Germans helping us with toys from donation (I still trying to find them to shake they hands in thankfulness). It motivated me to move to Germany and also help people for the future (that is now) They country itself was vast blooming in culture,food,music and very nice people,but the government is corrupted and they don't even hide,technology fell behind,I could not afford much when I started working,most was lost to the 3 Presidents we have even today. I can however recommend for tourists to visit all the places there,as its more worth and enjoyable then going to some other countries at this moment. The Schools were also not better with kids fighting,and fighting with me out of hate in the high school. Hate and Corruption are the biggest reason I've left Bosnia. My heart hurts looking back in the past,but it hurts even more to be distant from my family. Maybe someday I shall return when things settle down,as I see the same hate and corruption happen in Germany as I write this. That is all my Perspective.
NATO general : How the Serb army escaped Nato 'They came out of villages when they wanted to, they hid when the weather was good' Nato commanders, not to say political leaders, became increasingly frustrated by their inability to destroy Serb units. It was known that Yugoslavia had built an extensive system of underground shelters for its troops, guns and aircraft - a relic of President Tito's era, in preparation for a possible invasion by the Soviet Union. Many of its camouflage techniques, including the use of dummy weapons emplacements, the Serbs had learned from the russians. Critics of the bombing campaign also said mistakes were the inevitable result of Nato's policy of restricting its pilots to bombing from 15,000 feet or above - a policy dictated not least by political considerations, notably Washington's determination to avoid horrified public reaction to the sight of "bodybags" coming home. Yet when the western media saw the Serb military withdraw from Kosovo in early June, they saw convoys of Serb tanks, armoured cars, guns, trucks and military equipment untouched by Nato's air assault. Nato's bombing campaign, with thousand of sorties and the dropping of tens of thousands of bombs, including sophisticated precision weapons, succeeded in damaging just 13 of the Serbs' 300 battle tanks in Kosovo. Serbs had 50 marines In their hotels and a deal was made ,the Serbs pulled out Little nation like serbia , then again those serbs are tough .
@@ThePresentPast_ I don't know why is TH-cam filtering my comments but let's try one more time - by your very source, that table is not true. Please check it as I cannot put a link here since then my comment gets hidden.
@@ThePresentPast_ I'm not arguing the credibility of the index, I'm simply stating that the table data provided in the video (23:55) is not the data provided by the stated source (sources, page 8, page footer, RSF unnumbered source between sources 46 and 47) i.e. the numbers do not match. RSF 2024 World Press Freedom Index of former Yugoslavian countries ordered by score (higher is better) and rank: Country - Actual score (#world rank) - Video stated score North Macedonia - 73.78 (#36)- 74.35 Montenegro - 73.21 (#40) - 74.28 Slovenia - 72.60 (#42) - 74.89 Croatia - 68.79 (#48) - 75.87 Kosovo - 60.19 (#75) - 70.45 Bosnia-Herzegovina - 58.85 (#81) - 68.12 Serbia - 54.48 (#98) - 76.01 I've noticed this, since Serbia is well known for its poor press freedom.. And it was first on your list (from the Yugoslav countries). Its press freedom (#98) is akin to that of countries like Tanzania (#97), Chad (#96), Israel (#101) or Kenya (#102) The other countries (rank and score) seem to be wrong as well. Norway was put as 91.98 while its actual score is 91.89. Denmark is stated as 90.21, actual score 89.60. You've put Lithuania 10th just in front of Germany, while in the RSF index, Germany is 10th and Lithuania 13th. You also put Russia in 39th place with a score of 65.45, while they are actually 162nd with a score of 29.86.
My father is a Bosnian-Croat and my mother a Ukrainian, I was born and raised in Croatia...I was a small kid when Yugoslav planes bombed Zagreb, I remember the dread, the steel bunk beds in the fallout shelther with the itchy wool from which you couldn't sleep, I remember the uncertainty of tomorrow...I remember the sirens and I remember the blood on the TV news and the fear in my sister's eyes as she was frantically putting on my shoes...But...I was not brought up to hate Serbs.........my wife's family is from Dvor on the river Una a border town between Republic of Srpska (Serb part of Bosnia) and Croatia where her grandmother's cousin was shot dead on his own porch and filmed by Chetniks, all that just for being Croat...but no...she does no hate Serbs...cut to today...many internet Serbs now support Russia's invasion in Ukraine blinded by their own hatred and propaganda, and being half Ukrainian with some family in the occupied regions I wavered, I was extremely close to say "F*ck'em, f*ck'em all" ...but...I will be the bigger man, I will not hate...I want peace...
Sure , you are bigger man from your mouth and inside your head.With big sswazzi banner. Oh my mouth praise me so. . Hatred is born only after Jasenovac,not before. Thanks to Croats. ... no reasonable man can be upset with traumatised Srbs arming themselves just to defend their homes that concetration camp era do not happen all over again
@@srdjanmarkovic4934 hate existed long before, and will exist long after. He explained that he doesnt hate the Serbs and that he doesnt want to hate. You are only one "hating" here. He maybe isnt a big man, but he is definitely bigger one than you.
@@Bileks150 sure buddy - another "expert". Now you know everybodys reasons for everythimg. Oh praise me my big mouth, say all the best of me. You bigger guys yet still to grow to fit size of a man. Whats life aboit if not growing and learning.
@@srdjanmarkovic4934 how bad you must hate a country and people from it to write such a comments under a person that says that he doesnt want hate, only peace? Sure, if people comments like *ou i hate "insert literally any nationality" that would be fine, but he didnt. He wrote about his expirience during the war, why wont you wrote yours too? Cmon, lets talk.. we live in a world where hate should have been long gone but its somehow worse and worse every year.. im not here to hate on you nor any nationality, but why you are?
14.30 Show all of Milosevic's Kosovo speech! It was actually quite peaceful not nationalistic! Here is an extract of his speech: "Serbia has never had only Serbs living in it. Today, more than in the past, members of other peoples and nationalities also live in it. This is not a disadvantage for Serbia. I am truly convinced that it is its advantage. National composition of almost all countries in the world today, particularly developed ones, has also been changing in this direction. Citizens of different nationalities, religions, and races have been living together more and more frequently and more and more successfully."
Yugoslavia and Libya - two strategic "gateways to Europe". That's why they were bombed by the Americans (with the participation of their "West European allies"), so that there would be a mass exchange of the European population.
Yugoslavia was destroyed on Easter, April 16, 1944, when the Western "allies" bombed Belgrade in order to bring the communists to power! They bombed all major cities on the territory of Serbia, especially the capital Belgrade, where the majority of Christians are of the Orthodox faith. They were bombed on their biggest holiday, Easter, without any announcement. Then when everyone who could under the fascist occupation secretly celebrated their biggest holiday in their homes. That bombing was the second major bombing of Belgrade in World War II. The first happened on April 6, 1941, when Adolf Hitler, without declaring war, bombarded the civilian part of Belgrade with heavy bombs. Objects of Serbian cultural heritage were especially targeted, with the national library being hit with napalm bombs... But it should be emphasized that the bombing by the Western "allies" in 1944 under the slogan of liberating Belgrade from the fascists was far more merciless, and the number of civilian victims was abnormal. After that, the West, specifically Great Britain in the first place, imposed Tito and his communist rule on the Yugoslavs. And he forbade the royal family to return to Yugoslavia, which had been waiting all this time in London under British "protection and guarantees" that they would be returned to their Royal Court. On the contrary, they moved the communist dictator Josip Broz alias Tito into the Royal Palace. Banned all democratic institutions, abolished political parties. And all those who were motivated by that were liquidated or sent to concentration camps! The most famous is "Goli otok", on a deserted island in the Adriatic Sea. Thus, Europe had legal concentration camps like Hitler's and Stalin's even after the Second World War. It is a precedent of historical proportions, which perfectly demonstrates the union of globalists, fascists and communists, which continues to this day.
Burazeru, oslobodi se te udbo-četničke propagande. Nemam vremena o svemu da ti odgovaram, niti mi pada napamet, ali ideja da su saveznici bombardovali samo Srbiju je idiotska - proguglaj malo , dobićeš informacije da su zapadni delovi Jugoslavije bili sušeni od bombardovanja. Split i Zadar su rasturani, mnogo puta bombardovani, na primer. Kao i Zagreb. Srbija i njeni gradovi su bili legitiman cilj početkom 1944, jer su bili bastion kvislinške vlasti i okupacionih snaga. Srbijom je vlada marionetska vlast kao i u drugim krajevima Balkana. A i zabole me da branim ovde Zapadnjake, nego me nervira strašno ta srpska sklonost ka bednoj jajarskoj večitoj viktimizaciji. Ne, nismo bili ništa posebno do 1944., da nije bilo Crvene Armije i upada partizana, odnosno NOVJ iz drugih oblasti Jugoslavije, a zatim i mobilizacije i Sremskog fronta... komotno bi Srbija istorijski ostala zapamćena kao nemački satelit u WW2. Kao uostalom i mnoge druge države. Bugarska, na primer. PS - Srbija je imala 20-ak konc logora na svojoj teritoriji, gde su sprovodjene desetine hiljada rodoljuba, talaca, pripadnika manjina i nepodobnih, i potkazanih. Sprovodili su ih nedićevci i ljotićevci, uz gestapo i ostale strukture. Srbija je bila DRUGA JUDEN FREI zemlja u Evropi, revnosno je počišćena Jevrejska populacija. Nije je bilo mnogo, doduše, ali tako stoje stvari zvanično. Dakako, 100 Srba za jednog Nemca stoji kao fakat takođe, ali Srbe za streljanje i sprovođenje u logore birali su najčešće sami Srbi. Po službenoj dužnosti. Posle su navodno partizani iz obesti i morbidne ideologije "ubijali cvet srpske mladosti i poštene domaćine". Jašta, sve pošten domaćin, moj do mojega.
Unfortunatly another very inaccurate video report about Balkan war. Mentioning Srebrenica but not Naser Oric and his slayers. Mentioning serbs torturing kosovo shiptars and not speaking about Hashim Tachi. Not pointing that Slovenia and Croatia were the first to seek independence after Serbs gave them the country after ww1 (taking them under the wings of Serbia)...and so much more untold facts.
TITO WAS A MASTER OF FOREIGN POLITICS, BUT IN DOMESTIC POLITICS AN AMATEUR. I appreciate your efforts trying to paint an unbiased overall picture. To fully understand (if that's even possible), a much deeper dive into the historical periods is essential though. Pozdrav to all people with good will from someone who grew up in SFR Yugoslavia, whose Serbian great grandparents had to flee from the ustaša in WW2 from Bosnia to Serbia and whose other Croatian great grandpa was ki*led in Croatia, after protecting his Serb friend from the ustaša, who wanted to wall him up alive, then got beaten up and died as a result of the injuries. The Biggest mistake for Serbs was to follow King Aleksandar's decision to join the Kingdom of SHS (later Yugoslavia) after WW1
There are always some things that missing. I think that guilt for breakup of Yugoslavia is shared between republics, because it is very similar to end of a marriage, there are always two sides of a story.
@@beiragusa you didn't get the point but that's ok. EU had it's fingers all over Yugoslavia before the war started, but Milosevic didn't want to do anything with EU and Nato. So the EU and US secretly armed the Croats and assured them they would help in case of war, witch they knew was inevitable in that constellation of power. And don't mention ICTY because it's only real use was to make the Serbs bad guys of Europe after the war.
@@andydufresne9593 Incorrect. Croatia was under arms embargo, arms were from captured jna barracks and bought illegaly from collapsed soviet union. West didn't enter conflict until 1994 in Bosnia. Entering Eu as yugoslav confederation was Stjepan Mesic plan to save Yugoslavia. ICTY was global tribunal that included countries from even third world. Incorrect on every term, typical serb propagandist "equally guilty" "cia destroy yugoslavia" hur dur
@@andydufresne9593 Incorrect. Croatia was under arms embargo, it got its weapons from captured Jna barracks and from collapsed soviet union, Russians sold million ak's at price of 160$ a piece, including mig 21's later. There was no western involvement in war in Croatia at all, and not anywhere until 1994 Bosnia. Plan for yugoslavia to enter eu as confederation was proposed by Stjepan Mesic, a Croat politician, in 1990 as a means to prevent war and save yugoslavia as a whole. ICTY was international tribunal, even third world countries participated, conclusions are clear. You are incorrect on every term, as is expected of serb propagandist, slowly trying to paint the conflict as ''everyones fault'' or ''cia destroyed yugoslavia'', it was clear serbian agression! Relativism and revisionism were always strong sides serb propaganda, Just like when you suddenly remembered to make a resolution about ww2 camps, month after you were presented with a resolution of your war crimes in Srebrenica, 30 years ago. But it will never be forgotten!
I am from Republika Srpska and I agree with that guy who didn't want to appear although I don't really understand why? He must be in party or someone is blackmailing him some other way. I am not politically active so no one can blackmail me like that, I can freely speak my mind.
Here we say,bring ur moma to fight,if someone talk shit and want war. I as a Bosnian say we can live togheter it the politics that are killing us with that theme almost 30 yrs in fear of the war against each other,and we can not live without each other,historically,economicly,no one has a right to attack Bosnian,Serb,Croats because we are Bosnia and Herzegovina together,this air,water,land are ours DNA.
Highly sided, fast forwarded with bunch of intentionally avoided details, skipped facts and storytelling self wording descriptions. This is NOT how documentary should be made. I am ready to argue and give a proof of fake descriptions for half of what was said in this video + not to mention avoiding . Why you are making documentaries without making a proper research? You used single book for this and you create partly-truth historical narrative which was far away from a full story.
Not Ethnic lines. Those lines weren't ethnic, they were deliberately drawn politically, not ethnically. Google for the "Yugoslavia ethnic map 1980". The Yugoslavian internal administrative lines were drawn with something else in mind and they were not real "states within federation".
Not often a video makes me feel hopeless and hopeful at the same time. It's tragic that these people that always felt Yugoslav, now had to become Serbian / Croatian / Kosovan / etc., that their neighbours became enemies. And all because of some power hungry politicians that chose not to see the impact their ambitions could have (or did, and chose to disregard them). It's scary that nowadays, quite a lot of politicians are tending towards a similar rhetoric. Still I'm in some way hopeful, hearing how many of the young people there can see through these falsehoods. First time in a long time that I'm replying to a video, but damn, this one struck a chord. Agree that Ljubljana is a bit boring too.
Serbs and Croats always felt Serbian and Croatian, just because we were inside of a federation doesn't make us different ethic groups. Most Kosovars were also technically not Yugoslavs as they were Albanians, they weren't Slavic. But, I agree, war and segregation are bad.
@@JmKrokY Al least to agree with you on something.Albanians in Yugoslavia were not Slavs,and they were at times off Yugoslavia most nationalic ,you can see and try religion.Albanians in Albania are only 50% Muslim while that in Yugoslavia were 100% muslim becase Albanian muslims did not allow any Albanian in Yugoslavia not to be muslim ,they would be targeted as traitors
This video lost me right at the beginning. At NATO was here to prevent war. When In reality, NATO supported and encourage separatist in Yugoslavia and practically contributed for the destruction.
Serbia is the one that started the war tho. They didn't have to attack other Yugoslav nations. Did the UK attack Scotland or did Spain attack Catalonia for wanting independence? So by your logic if Spain attacks Catalonia tomorrow people that support catalonia today are to blame for the war?
@@og_clock why did Spain imprisoned the guy who wanted Catalonia independent? Why the west not allowed referendum for the people to decide whether they want to stay with Spain or not? While west helped Albanian separatist to take Kosovo, but the serbs in bosna cannot have independence. That's a hypocrisy. And the serbs did not start the war. I am from Macedonia which was part of Yugoslavia. I know the history better than you.
@filipkirovski5823 "The West" doesn't decide who can do a referendum. The referendum in Catalonia was violating the constitution of Spain but according to the Yugoslav constitution individual republics were allowed to have a referendum and leave. Serbs in RS didn't even have a referendum in Yugoslavia because RS didn't even exist as a separate entity and RS attacked Bosnia with the help of Serbia. They were the agresors and the current constituiton of Bosnia which RS signed doesn't allow for secession. "The West" didn't help Albanians in Kosovo. The United Nations asked Serbia repeatedly to stop killing Albanians in Kosovo and Serbia didn't stop that's why there's a UN peacekeeping mission in Kosovo right now.
@filipkirovski5823 If Serbs in Bosnia wanted independence they should've asked for a referendum after Bosnia became independent instead of attacking it. Tell me then who started the war and when? Tell me the date of which some Yugoslav Republic or some other country attacked Serbia?
It is not all wrong but simplified and generally the Western narrative of what happened in former Yugoslavia, actually you don't go far with your so-called objectivity.
Sorry mate, totally off the mark. The breakup of Yugoslavia was funded and supported by the US. The US could not risk the Russians having their military base in the Balkans. Camp Bondsteel is proof. So come back when you are not biased.
@@kenjiogyvara757 Also, the West currently spreads propaganda according to which "the collapse of Yugoslavia was inevitable" because "they had irreconsivable ethnic differences". It's so wrong it's insane. The different groups of Yugoslavia are very very similar, I would even argue the serbs and croats and bosniaks are one ethnicity. The difference between them is no bigger than the one between US states or Italian or German regions. It's also much much smaller than the one between for example different islands of Indonesia. How were the differences "irreconsilable"? Creating made-up national identities and then harassing each other based on ultra nationalism isn't natural. If Texans started being ultra nationalistic and attacking California America would collapse too! A peaceful transition of power from Tito to someone competent and banning ultra nationalism would've avoided the collapse.
reading declassified cables sent by Canadian peacekeepers you discover that a multi ethnic peace agreement was ready only to find out that one side suddenly began making insane demands. Later you find out that the US state department made its own assurances to this group, basically "sure bro, go to war, we'll totally back you"
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Corrections:
At 5:13 I put the flag upside down, don't know how that happened, the Dutch must be too strong. Sorry!
I've been watching the video for about six minutes now and I have to say it's of great quality.
Unfortunately I must point out a mistake: at 5:13 the flag is wrong. The flag of Yugoslavia was blue white and red.
Thank you in advance for any future correction or for the future recognition of the mistake!
@@user-jm5gs6ze9h Yes you're completely right, thanks!
@@ThePresentPast_listening to your accent i suspect your dutch? Maybe a video about dutchbat's role within the war? As there was no mention of it here
@@ThePresentPast_ No problem! The video was really good and I enjoyed watching it. Thank YOU for making this awesome video!
6:55 you said just how many the victims that we have name of but not that there was found in research that was not finished more than 300 thousand and was estimated anywhere between 700 thousand and 1.2 million. Ustaše were the ones that were praising themselves to Germany about killing around 1.2 million in there( this is very upper limit is from) but German executives thought it's to much and estimated little short of million and even that is more than 10 times more of what you said.
having a war game sponsor on a war related video is like having flight simulator sponsor on a 9/11 video
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Obviously they know their target...
audience
@@Red-MagicSo did the Cheney government.
@@Johnconno You mean the right wing government? Yes, right wingers caused this war too. Every war, actually. That's basically what being 'right-wing' is = use of force/war being acceptable.
Agreed. Very much in bad taste.
As someone from an ex Yugoslav country, after watching countless videos made by foreigners about Yugoslavia, I came to the conclusion that only we from the Balkan, can make a video that represents the real situation, every foreigner is always missing some key elements.
We are not objective, therefore we are not able to make an truthful documentary about our past.
@@borikmusic yeah that is also true.
But much more truthful than this one.
Please find one truthful documentary created by somebody from ex Yugoslavia@@dnickaroo3574
@@mkpodkasti227 mogli bismo, kad bi seli zdravorazumski ljudi sa sve 3 strane, stavile sve cinjenice na papir i maksimalno otvoreno pristupili problematici.
The Balkans are beyond gorgeous, Middle Earth itself, and the residents of Belgrade once saved my life. I got robbed and stranded, deep inside Serbia, by a Brit from whom I had accepted a ride to Greece. Four-day walk back to Belgrade, in shock when I arrived, with no ID. And, of course, the language barrier. They found someone who spoke decent French. Belgrade then fed me, gave me a bed and a shower, and the next day AMEX managed to redeem all of my cashier's checks before he could cash them. (I had memorized the serial#s.) Belgrade, you're my home. I have loved you, with all my heart, for decades. Thank you for saving my life. ❤
Bon, enfin la France ne nous considère plus comme des tribus carnivores.
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funny thing, I remember reading an interview with Robert De Niro, it had to be the late eighties, where he told a Yugoslav journalist that when he was a college student he went for a trip through Europe and managed to spend most of his money halfway through. He was on a train in Bosnia when he met a local who took pity on him and brought him to his home in Sarajevo. The family fed him and got him a bed to sleep. He stayed there for several days and by the time he decided to leave he was already friends with those people. They even gave him some pocket money. The journalist then asked him if he ever went back to meet them at which he answered, a bit embarrassed, that no, he never got the chance.
Y a pas de quoi 😊
When you see two fish quarrelling at the bottom of the see, an Englishman is somewhere around.
@@vladavasiljev or a Duch.
You can't blame the British for this one. Croats, Serbs, and Muslims have been going at it for centuries.
@@Peter-w7j ...you have to learn history much more.
@@vladavasiljev or maybe it's you 😏
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Making a video about a worn-torn region that is traumatised to the bone while be sponsored by a war game is ehm... an interesting choice.
I mean it makes sense, a video about war would attrack people who would be interested in playing such game.
@@JmKrokY Time to move out of your Moms house bro. 🙄
yes there is an irony... but this half hour video, although being concise, hits the target. Yugoslavia might have been product of its time but if you look back long enough it was the wish of almost all Slavs living in this region. The problem is that it came too late to build YU identity and both Yugoslavias failed doing that one with King Alexander and another with Tito. As someone who grew up in that country, I can just say that in many ways it was a good country to live in, and also that I am very, very sorry that it ended up in a bloody war.
I too found irony in the end of the video where discussions of “war torn” countries is juxtaposed by a game called “call of war”… but, thus is the nature of youtube sponsorships and I cannot blame the creator for taking money where its available!
or maybe he meant to say "git gud" to all the people that lost ;)
War game sponsorship in Such a Video cmon
I think war game is fine. If it was Lockheed Martin it would be more questionable.
Its a video game dude. Being sponsored by a war video game doesnt mean you support war. Dont try to find a reason to complain and judge everywhere you possibly can.
@@obscureorca chill its just a bit tasteless
@@carf.1455 im super chill, you are the one getting triggered over stupid shit.
@@christiana.1204 frfr
The never-ending story of the people with power who are manufacturing crises to divide people to distract them and get what they want.
Russians doing to the US today the exact same thing they did to Yugoslavia back then
But there was already a crisis in Yugoslavia, an economic one. The politicians just took the opportunity.
Yugoslavia could never last forever. It was doomed from the start
@@Annathroyhorseshit .. why not ?
I have never seen a shorter and more accurate TRUE COMMENT ON TH-cam.
Dear Dutch people. You've done enough in the Balkans. We don't need you to tell our story. Focus on your tragic political situation please. Lots of love xx
I have a feeling that most of the world thinks the former Yugoslavian countries looks post apocalyptic and that we live in tents or have nothing to eat, while going to sleep to sound of bombs like that is just not true we have beautiful cities, nature, beaches we have everything. We are not dirt poor neither. These are all old and unrealistic stereotypes.
Most of the world moved from what was happening 20 years ago.. there are other conflicts around the world
and we are poor.
Better the west thinks that than encourage them to bring their fucked up ways into your beautiful countries, the balkans has been the safest place we as a family have ever visited
shhhh don't tell them, hopefully they leave us alone
@@aleksandargujas2375 the west will rapidly deteriorate more so than it is already over the next decade
I have spent much time in Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia, and I agree that they are some of the nicest people in Europe.
Bigest mafia in Europe :D
Serbs just Turkish orthodox
As a Bosnian Serb, I will hardly disagree with you on that. Until you get to know them better, you will find out that they are some of the rudest, sneakiest people you have ever met in your life
@@majasavicicmaybe you judge by your own experience, I don't think you should generalize everyone
@@majasavicic your actually right.
Why I am not suppressed that a Dutch TH-camr doesn't even mentions, that at Srebrencia Dutch peacekeepers run away cowardly during the night?!
Greatest example of Western commitment...
Pot calling the kettle black there. If you have to criticize so badly on somebody providing incomplete information, why don't you add into your criticism the fact that the US, France, and the UK decided against providing the aerial support Dutchbat needed so much, because the English and French were afraid Mladic would take French and British soldiers hostage?
Air strikes were used after the fall of Srebrenica, and were proven to be effective. If that would have happened just weeks earlier, it could have saved a lot of lives and trauma. It might still say something about western commitment, but there wasn't an awful lot Dutchbat could do at the time but to retreat. But I'm guessing that doesn't fit your narrative, does it?
There's a rumour with a few evidences that the muslim side aranged with the british alowence of a bigger war crime in order to get international help so they provoked lokal Serbs braking peace agreement and than pulled back the Duch UN squad. The rest is known. Many Bosnians blame Izetbegovic
@@jdjphotographynlso why did those same countries put a weapons embargo on the people leaving them defenseless
Read Polliticaly Incorrect.news,this page tells real truth.I sugest,that you read story about Srebrenica,and Nikola Tesla.
@@jdjphotographynl Top UN officials, Brit. & Fr., decided that Srebrenica has to happen - and Bihać, but they were 3 hours late - that's the reason why they removed UN armies and weaponry from Bosnia on fields around Tomislavgrad, Croatian place with no threat from any side, "to make some military exercise". Also they brought new armies called RRF, but it wasn't brought to defend civilians either.
We all know who is responsible for starting the war and who had the greatest interest, those who are involved in the world's most conflict-ridden.
I lived through that war.
those damn croats xD
27:26 "Why was never anything invested in Kosovo..." On the salary slip at the beginning of each month, there was a "for the Under-developed Kosovo" salary deduction clause, which all the people of Yugoslavia had to pay which went on for decades. A form of mandatory contribution, if you will...
Yes, young people do not know about that, but my parents remember that clearly.
there wore tons of investments in Kosovo during socialism nobody got investments in the 90s as it all went to hell
In the 90s you lost the job only and only because you were Albanian, all schools were closed for no good reason. In the end Serbia started 4 wars and they lost all of them.
@@lulzimkajtazi9654 People lost jobs because they were not productive and appeared at work just to pick up salaries, not because of their nationality. If Albanians were avoiding work on purpose, then you cannot blame Serbs for that. Same thing with terrorist, Serbian police was fighting against terrorist because they were breaking the law of the state they were living in, not because of their nationality. It just happens that those terrorists were Albanians. Leaders of Albanian terrorist organization "Kosovo Liberation Army" were arms, drug and human organ dealers, human traffickers, are after the war were promoted to ministers, prime ministers, presidents of self-proclaimed state of Kosovo, and now imprisoned and trialed in Hague for all those crimes.
What schools were closed? Where's the evidence for those claims? Prishtina had University with classes held in both Albanian and Serbian language. Even today, here in Serbia we have news in Albanian language on Serbian national television, and I remember seeing those since my childhood in the 80s.
Serbia didn't start any war; it was defending its people.
There are no winners in war, but without NATO's help to Albanian terrorists, you'd be typing different story. Albanian government of so-called Kosovo can put their victorious brown nose down and keep lips tightly on US government's ass to enjoy "independence".
@@lulzimkajtazi9654There is historical evidence that Serbia was singlehandedly supplying 60% of the Yugoslavian fund for the underdeveloped, as per Tito's and British resolution. What makes you beleive that ANY Albanian illegal refugee from "Anglo-Saxon arrangement of "Albania" with the collapsing Ottoman Empire in order to keep Bosphorus and Suez in British hands, should be welcomed in Serbia????
Very questionable sponsorship
Very questionable narrative too. Anyone who blames just one side in a war is not objective. In takes always 2 or more for a war. Never just one side.
@@robotube7361 - Yes, indeed. He mentions the Croatian nationalists and their atrocities in the beginning, but somehow neglects to mention that the pro-independence Croatian nationalists in the 1990s used the exact same symbol? LMAO
"The Weight of Chains" is a much much better documantary.
@@Bike_Lion I agree. The Weight of chains its far more truthful but we all know The others want to play victims and blame the Serbs only and stilck to Western US/NATO propaganda.
the serbs were blamed simply because they were sticking to their guns and refused to bent the knee to USA while the rest went to kiss its ass.
30:34 This guy is living in his bubble. Majority of Serbs are not supportive of Kosovo independence.
Sure Serbia did not invest in it, Milosevic's regime allowed militant groups to commit revenge for acts of terrorism committed by KLA (UCK) which are also a terrorism. But Albanians started it first, and they used force and brutal tactics, then when they got the equal response they started playing victims. This should be resolved with re-integration but with equal rights for everyone and certain higher authonomy status like it had in the past, but before that, we in Serbia need to get rid of Vucic and do democratic reforms, to have independent, strong and transparent government institutions.
@@milutinkethere won´t be any re-integration. Kosovo is independent, Serbia should get its shit together and accept reality.
@@leukaj733 nah, we're gonna re-integrate via force, if they don't want a peaceful re-integration, when the time is right. We can wait 1000 years, we have patience. We're slowly building up the army and learning from Russian mistakes.
@@milutinke stop daydreaming you fascist. You shoukd get up and get your life together.
@@leukaj733 Yeah, the first drug cartel in the world to become a state, what a win!
As someone who was born in Croatia, lived in Bosnia and now Serbia, Yugoslavia was destroyed so that bigger players can take valuable resources from these countries. Simple as that.
Sums it up in a nutshell, if you trace back any conflict between people in the Balkans in the last 150 years (because we never had problems with each other before that) you will always find a foreign entity at play, in the case of the balkans mostly Austrian or German, it was never internal, interesting that...
Jugoslavija je nastala na mitu južnih Slavena. Skupini koja realno nema zajednički jezik niti zajedničku kulturu. Etnicitet se stalno spominje kao nešto nazadnjacko, ali je to prirodno čovjeku. Apstraktne ideje da možemo živjeti pod istim krovom samo ako to želimo ignoriraju čovjekovu prirodu, a rezultat smo vidjeli. Komunizam i jedinstvo su mentalne bolesti. Možemo biti dobri susjedi pa čak i prijatelji, ali nikad nećemo biti braća. Naš pećinski mozak nam to brani i čim prije to svi prihvate, bit će manje mrtvih.
this 100%, war lasted until there was nothing to plunder in the back while people died
...valuable resources lol...
@@vlado9849Follow the money.
It's funny how many inconsistencies, holes in the narrative and wrong premises fit into just half an hour of a historical "documentary"!
This is on par with some of the lowest budget Hollywood crap.
The guy is a complete amateur regurgitating superficial Western propaganda talking points we have heard for decades.
@@nickmiller4430 - Yes, indeed! "The Weight of Chains" is a much better alternative.
@@Bike_Lionlol the russian sponsored serb propaganda is the truth right. Weight of chains is pure bullshit
>talks about politicians spreading ancient hatreds
>shows Vuk Drašković as some peacemaker
Lol this video is comedy gold
What did u expect from the west homesty and honor?
He shows pictures and videos of demonstrations in Serbia and lies about those being Serbs protesting against the aggression to Croatia, and those protests had nothing to do with that. Those are organized by nationalists, you can see woman wearing a chetnic cap there.
wikipedia historian, and a bad one
@@maniacZesci There was anti war protest in Belgrade but this protest was not on off it,Milosevic wanted to save Yugoslavia and this guy in beard wanted Monarchy Serbia
Taj čovek je radio za Ciu, kada je 9 marta 91 izašlo pola mil ljudi protiv rata u HR on stupa taj dan na scenu. każe da su ljudi izašli da protestvuju laži koje se o njemu pričale na dnevniku.Koliko se laži redovno izgovara pa ljudi nisu izašli. Milosevic morao da istera vojku i tenkove na ulicu.
as a slovenian.. we are some lucky bastards..
EDIT: no idea what i expected, but i started a war ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As a Bosniak, you Slovenes are like Mel Gibson to our bloody Jesus Christ from that famous meme 😂
Very lucky
What superficial thinking. . You are also an occupied, banana republic with a huge imposed debt. You will have to pay off the debts for decades. In the end, you will have to pay off the debts of the EU (a gang of corporate banks).
@@drazantodoric6040 Yeah sure. Just keep comforting yourself. Slovenians and Croatians are totally fine without other ex-YU republics.
@@Maverick550 We are top. Just go yuouuuuuur ways to slavery status again. You are and were very selfish, ang go to "prosperity" under EU, and after that in Austro- Hungarian Monarchy, with special status,as citizens of Second class, because it's very well known status of Slavs in colonial states
Good 💯 😊 luck with that 👍
NATO came to stop the war? Ok, that's it for me. I'm out.
Aight I was reading the comments first and I'm not gonna watch the video. Thx for saving me time.
Agree total misconception US wanted to break up succesfull socialist state what a western propaganda
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Nato and America аlways come to free the people from their freedom.
Same here.
What a stupid comment. Yes they did stop the war. Believe it or not. You are either a Serb or a conspiracy theorist from a western country. There is no other way to spew such a stupid comment.
Suppressing religion and especially supressing to talk about the atrocities which were commited during ww2 may have been a huge mistake as it didnt really heal the wounds, instead the crimes were put under the carpet and emerged again when economic hardship due to economic mismanagement and horrible leadership. Tito made a huge mistake in taking up those massive IMF loans, which lead to interest going up as much as 20% after the oil crisis. This ruined the economy of the country, combined with a newly emerging upper class because of austerity measures imposed because of those loans. It lead to richer republics complaining about redistribution to invest into poorer republics creating a sort of new nationalism.
Very good documentary!
"It lead to richer republics complaining about redistribution to invest into poorer republics creating a sort of new nationalism."
The only reason Croatia and Slovenia were richer republics in the first place was because the KPJ (Communist party of Yugoslavia) had economic plans for development of SR (Socialist Republics) and Croatia and Slovenia were the 1st ones on the agenda. Once Serbia, Bosnia and Macedonia were supposed to be invested into Croatia and Slovenia suddenly didn't want to contribute but they didn't mind it when the other republics were paying for their economies.
@@mradicevic I dont see that as a contradiction to what I wrote. I was more setting that into the context of a new nationalism by newly emerging economic elites as a consequence of capitalist reforms.
I think loans are an overblown talking point. Ante Marković had $16B in debt and the same amount in cash reserves. Today, each Republic on average owes $160B. No one is any better with their loan situation.
kinda same here and guess what we are made up of 7 major ethnic groups
...+ Croatia and Slovenia were in fact getting everything from Serbia, first complete factories,from 1946 and few years late,r and later raw materials, which were then placed as a finished product on the huge market of Yugoslavia.
The only real loser in that unfair distribution of capital was in fact Serbia (it lost big, best factories, like FM Rakovica in Belgrade), Kragujevac, etc...
"NATO is here to stop the war in Yugoslavia" Sure they are, sure they are.
One good line a friend of mine once said. The one thing many other countries never really pass on, or at least quite as deeply is generational trauma. And that's what has taken root the best and been passed on for many generations now in the Balkans.
France and England have waged wars for well over a millennium. Some of them literally lasting for a century. Yet today even tho they make fun of one another, they get along, trade and dont worry about the past. The Balkans will never be that way. One has to die so the others can move on. There is no "the war is over" there is only waiting. And as soon as the US no longer needs Bondsteel in Kosovo, or is per-occupied with something else, another war will erupt.
One generation has to "move on". We are literally poisoning our children and making sure they or their children will die in a trench one day.
And it has to be Serbia.
@@falconeshield Most likely have to be all the Ex YU countries. Not just one.
you are not, US and Nato still poison you everyday. Do investigate the media.... the money behind it.
You should start again a federation à la brics (kroatia humhum?), as you still share the goods (on shelves from Slovakia to Makedonia) and language.
You, many of you, are a mix of your provinces, as much as the French are for ex. Germany is your real villain, not only as EU representative. And Bruxelles practices the blackmail and regimechange in BigBrother's steps. DO recover eachother to battle your wrongdoers! please!
You are saying that bondsteel is the reason that serbia is such a corrupt state that cant offer nothing to its citizens except hate against its neighbours and ultra nationalism that leads to war?
When war was about to break out, my oldest brother was on a weekend leave from military and dad immediately put him on the bus and sent him to Vienna, there was no discussion. Three days later two men in uniforms showed up but dad said - no, he didn't even come home, I thought he was with you guys...About 10 days later another soldier, my brother's friend came and said - please help, I have nowhere to go. He was a Croat and escaped the military but couldn't leave Serbia because the war was already raging. He stayed with us for a month until he found the way to go home and cross the newest "border". I wonder how many soldiers had to face terrible situations, all of a sudden the country you serve's no more, and your life's in danger, because some lunatic may decide you're an enemy. And that's how it was, some people stayed sane, some turned into beasts.
I see lots of people complaining in the comments of inaccuracy, I’m interested in learning more about the history of Yugoslavia and the area, could someone direct me to a better documentary?
From someone who's dad went to this war in his 20s, with a group of men in their 20s. Friends and buddies. I can tell you, they never wanted this fight, from my young age as a kid he always reminded me we are all slavs and I shall never hate or cast shade on fellow Croatian, Macedonian, Bosnian or anyone really. We all know from deep inside our souls Serb would never pull a weapon on Bosnian, Croat or else. Despite the many reasons he had to maybe tell me otherwise. He thought me that unity will prevail and that our love for each other and respect nobody can ruin never like west did then. There are multiple sources with admission of acts in aim of destabilization of Yugoslavia.
I stand by the idea they feared us, united, standing strong. They had to push us to hate each other. Used criminals and extremists to start massacre and bloodshed, where civilians and families were only who lost. Loved ones and friends who they were united with before someone else put their hands onto our lands. We have been constantly invaded and fought for our independence, Nazis, Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians. I mean, whatever people say, at this point, does not matter. I know we are all strong and united we could be even better.
Sadly, there is always something West does not like. They always find an enemy, they have been doing it for decades lately. I cannot understand how such nation always has an conflict with someone. Never takes care of themselves. But is always smart about other parts of the world and is first to take sides and provoke ethnic conflict. Just look at the world. I have nothing to say anymore. Stay doomed not to know your history, and repeat it.
💯💯💯 Third paragraph: follow the money, power.
Hi from SLO.
To Kill A Nation: The Attack on Yugoslavia by Michael Parentii ....what you said is covered in this book in detail!
I'm from the area and while there's a lot of love, let's not pretend there wasn't and still isn't a lot of animosity between the different groups that have nothing to do with foreign powers. In the end, the country was destroyed because we couldn't get along under a single flag, they just added fuel to the fire. The idea of South Slavic unity was dead before even WWII arrived if you look at the political strife and ethnic tensions in the country in the world war interim period. If it wasn't for the communist autocratic rule, Yugoslavia wouldn't even exist for the next half a century. No wonder it fell so fast after the dictatorship faded away. In the end, the romantic idea of unity met the bleak reality that, while we do love each other, we don't love each other enough to want to live under the same roof. Being neighbors seems to suit everyone the best. It's a shame really, because there's so much more that we could've accomplished together had we really seen eye to eye, but the mutual trust was never there.
If there were no germs of disunity within the Yugoslavs themselves, nobody could have broken you up. It does you no good to put all the blame on foreign forces and not face the truth about the role you yourselves have played. The mass killings and horrible things were done by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, not by some aliens. Truth is not nice, but you cannot advance if you do not face it.
@@mrgalaxy396 If you read the comments it's simple to understand why Yugolslavia split. There were nations who saw themsleves as central european looking to the west and a nation who looked to the east. This is the main reason why it fell apart. Uncomapatibility about how different nation saw their futures. It was a comedy before the war. For example, Serbia imposed a trade embargo against Slovenia cause Slovenians banned tens of thousands of Serbs form Serbia and Bosnia form entering when they wanted to do their rally shouting This is Serbia ! Long live Slobo ! The so called Rallies Of Truth aka The Serb truth. Slovenia just didn't want anything to do with those medieval rednecks.
As a Bosnian-Herzegovinian, it's hard to feel connected.
Youths are poisoned by ideas of hate, and they will grow up and pass on the same ideas.
There is hope, if we forget the criminals from the past, recognize the crimes and continue with our lives.
God bless.
@@g1uh4 Creating a new Yugoslav identity and getting rid of ethnic nationalist identities would do the trick. Do you think Germany would've got successful if every German Land started fighting their neighbours for silly historical reasons? Remember what we today see as regional identities also have slight linguistic differences (sometimes much bigger than Croatia and Bosnia) and also historically had wars with each other. Do you think a world where Germany would collapse would be great?
@@gamermapper Trust me it would not. Neither of us wants to go under the same system. It would cause a new war much worse than the previous one. I've grown up here and what I can say, God help us. If there is no war, there is political tensions and corruption.
well, I don't know what to say, some elements are well researched, but some important parts are missing, for example, Battle for Vukovar in 1991, Operation oluja, The beggining of war in Croatia and all the massacres, not only in Bosnia. I HOPE YOU'LL READ THIS COMMENT.
This video doesnt satisfy me
1. You claim ethnic tensions were manufactured myths but even you couldnt avoid mentioning WW2 massacres, even if you just glossed over it. Where did that hatred spring from?
2. OK, propaganda can push peaceful neighbours to fight, but you fail to address the sheer viciousness of the war. It wasnt "just" murder and rape, but the details of the how of the atrocities which I cant mention here is almost unmatched in human history. The facts dont match your lovey dovey portrayal of the ethnicities.
I'm from Croatia and from what i've heard the Serbs commited some of the worst atrocities you can possibly imagine. If you heard what they did it would disturb you to the core. It was because a lot of them were paramilitary consisting of criminals, one of their commanders was a literal mob boss called Arkan.
@@TheDennys21 Google "srbosjek". A neighbor in one part of formerly Serbian majority Croatia (RS Krajina) had a huge scar across his neck from ww2. He died in 2014, but i saw it and i spoke with him. It was made by Croatians slaughtering Serbians in an orthodox church over a barrel, collecting blood to be sent to Ante Pavelic for his birthday. The church has been demolished in 1994, and a school where all students were picked up and led to that church to be slaughtered was renamed from "memorial home" to "croatian home" in 2015 or so. He survived the slaughter because they were in a rush to kill all the people, so some who still gurgled and showed signs of life were thrown on the pile with the rest of the dead bodies. He woke up that night and crawled out. He was 16. Just a little story of what Croatians did.
ah, just to add. ~1600 Serbians were slaughtered that day in the church.
@@nothinginnumerous what church?
@@TheDennys21 magnum crimen
Socialism kept Yugoslavia together; destroying socialism in Yugoslavia, destroyed Yugoslavia.
As a Croat it pisses me of and at the same time its funny to me how many people from Croatia play dumb regarding WW2 crimes that Ustashe commited,but on the other side you have many people from Serbia that think that what Chetniks did during war of independence was justified because what happened during WW2.
Its not justified. No murdering civilians is justified in any war, but it is inevitable. What was done in 95 was from fear of same things not happening as they did in WW2. But not our nor Croatian and later Bosnian party were not interested in stopping the war and stop people exodus and separation. West sow the opportunity to grab whatever they can, which later they show by building second largest military base in Europe in Kosovo, and taking out resources.
@@milosstojanovic4623 Is there any other word you know other than west when it comes to scapegoating? The West did not need to do anything, the nationalists dismantled Yugoslavia the moment they started shedding blood. The west does not need some little base on Kosovo... Serbia is surrounded by NATO countries. But you know, keep blaming the West, and keep your head under water while Mr. Vucic gives away Kosovo for nothing, hell you'll be lucky if Belgrade is Serbian territory in 10 years.
Tito's biggest mistake was dying, his 2nd mistake was being born in the bumfuck place known as the Balkans. Should have stayed in Russia.
I love it how he just skipped on who liberated all South Slavs and what was the price then and later.
Living under the rule of a foreign king is not liberation. ;) It's like we say here, from a horse to a donkey.
Austria Hungary fell apart, there was no liberation. Vienna even handed over the navy to Zagreb.
its not liberation when the other side never asked or wanted you to "liberate" them
I remember being told my grandpa was 100% Irish, when I asked my uncles they laughed and said, “the biggest chunk is Irish, but he’s a mutt. After Yugoslavia broke up, I think we counted 12 nationalities.” Made me chuckle before I realized how deadly the breakup was. Working towards a world filled with peace
Calling the Battle of Kosovo a "myth" shows how invested you were in making this video.
Calling it a myth is correct. Because the version the servian state propagates is nothing more than fiction invented exactly for servian nationalism nothing more.
The real battle of Kosovo was a multi ethnic anti ottoman coalition consisting of albanian, bosniak servian bulgar and hungarian lords and soldiers.
But this of course doesn't really help fuel ethno nationalism hence the lying claiming it was only servs.
@@soul8938Moreover, the term “Kosovo” was only introduced by the Ottomans in the 19th century when they founded the Vilayet Kosova. “Besides, ‘Ova’ is an Ottoman word for area. That's why myth is the right term if you don't even have your own term for such an “important” region.
@@eMotta The term "Kosovo" is derived from the Serbian word "kos," which means "blackbird" (specifically, a blackbird of the genus Turdus). The term "Kosovo" itself is believed to have first appeared in Slavic languages in the medieval period. It is most notably associated with the Battle of Kosovo, which took place on June 28, 1389, between the Ottoman Empire and the medieval Serbian state.
The name "Kosovo" was used to refer to the region of Kosovo Polje (meaning "Field of the Blackbirds" in Serbian), which is where the battle occurred. This usage in a Slavic language dates back to at least the 14th century.
@@milutinrs the name kosovo doesnt even derive from servian but bulgarian which ruled the area for a while.
The area was known as Dardania and partly moesia for far longer.
The name is being used temporarily now to avoid confusion.
@soul8938 its Serbian, not servian.
For someone who has lived through these events, I have nothing else to say about this video, than to count all anti-western sentiments of people that are extra biased or extra ignorant. And btw, I was personally brainwashed by two CIA agents to vote for my countries independance from that country that kept the name of Yugoslavia for years to come.
i'm sorry but this is very bad video full of blank spaces. Please don't take it is as objective view.
YES, exactly!
"NATO is here to stop the war in Yugoslavia" thats just wrong.
They literally DID. We were warring and killing each other for a decade and the NATO forced us to stop. Educate yourself for a change.
Yuck, a Western documentary about Yugoslavia. Just throw it in the garbage
You don't like a person just because of where they were born? How stereotypical.
@@jack-ht4tb Jack, you've exactly 0 clues about what you're talking about. Western media and creators fail to grasp the complexity of corruption, uneducated population and the historical context of Yugoslavian downfall. They also regularly fail to mention what US black ops did to spark the Yugoslav downfall by shoveling millions in the hands of politicians in order to break-up Yugoslavia. As you'll recall, US didn't like communists, and even though Yugoslavia never bothered anyone, US couldn't have it. The tensions didn't break out purely because of the rhetoric of the politicians. That might've been about 20% of it. The other 80% is US money.
When Slobodan Milosevic fell, he fell due to a "student" organisation named OTPOR (meaning Resistance) that fought to end him. Now if you turn on your brain for a bit you'll maybe think "oh wait, how did a lowly student organisation have the money and the logistics to get the whole country to rise up?". Hard, cold American-made money. Millions of it.
So yeah, Western documentaries regularly fail to dig through the CIA un-classified documents on Yugoslavia. It's public domain now, go and check. US did more damage in this world than all of the dictators combined in the 20-th century. And the world just stood drunk on dollars and freedom cool-aid.
@@jack-ht4tb Nope, just pointing out that there has been 0 good documentaries so far, made by Westerners, that are good. And this video is no exception.
Šta fali
@@ante3905 Istina brate, fali istina! To Kill a Nation - Michael Parentii
Really informative video, but why would you accept a war game sponsor? Especially on this video.
A game like that isn't made to inform people on history, it is made to capitalize on the already existing glorification of war.
Please reconsider your sponsor or clarify.
Its a video game. Its entertainment. He is not being sponsored by the military industrial complex. Its not possible to make such long and high quality videos without sponsors, and the product being sponsored needs to match the population watching the video.
I feel like this creator is in the financial position to choose his sponsors and if he was not, I'd say don't make this video if this sponsor is your only choice.
Glorification of war isn't worth it. I can see he shows negative impacts of war in this video, but I feel like a true anti war stance isn't present in this video. This sponsor doesn't help.
@@MCDorups You feel like, but you dont really know. Its super easy for you to sit at your computer and judge over inconsequential things. Once you make your own TH-cam channel and invest a crazy amount of effort and time into it, and rely completely on that for your living, you can come back and judge.
And video games with war thematic are not glorification of war, thats an extremely stupid perspective.
@@obscureorcaI said if he doesn't have the option to choose a correct sponsor he shouldn't make this video. No matter his (financial)struggles.
You feel like it's inconsequential, but you "really don't know", this channel has a big audience so my guess is people should be worrying about this kind of stuff.
@@MCDorups It is a correct sponsor. It's a video game. There is no glorification of war or violence. You are being unreasonable and looking for an excuse to complain and take a moral high-ground.
He should absolutely do any subject he wants regardless of his financial position. We need smart young people who are independent to research these kinds of topics and educate the general population.
Absolutely no mention of Operation Oluja, nor of the deeds or Izetbegovic nor Tudjman when discussing the civil wars in Bosnia and Croatia. Absolutely no mention of the illegality of NATO intervention from the standpoint of International Law and how debated that was. Everything was our own fault, apparently, while giving the idea that the West was just a passive bystander, while in reality it was heavily invested in assisting the destruction of the country. Jesus, this video is as "objective" as the opinions of a Bronze Age farmer on quantum physics! However, I have to admit it was reasonably well sugar-coated for your average braindead Westerner, although that war video game sponsorship on a video like this is out of touch at best, disgusting at worst
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Is there any mention of Srebrenica? A Serbian genocide of 9000 men in July 1995
Did you even listen to the video? He says multiple times that majority of Serbians were against the war but Milosevic still provoked it...
@@owl2owl So now just cause 1 asshole all of serbs are "bad serb" for other things that got nothing to do with it.
imagine if i branded every german today by A.H. 's doing in ww2, or every american ever a potential school shooter?
I wont go into west's hypocrity cause its insane in every debate not just this when it comes to "civilian casualties" also known as "collateral damage" as to dehumanize it as much as possible
@@charo703 How is your question relevant to anything I said? Yes, the video blames it on nationalistic leadership (and returning to my original comment, it quite obviously blames it only on Milosevic and never even mentions Tudjman or Izetbegovic, which is exactly how you would tell invented fairly tales pretending to be history to an average Westerner), and... did I deny it? What I vehemently question is that the whole Yugoslav debacle is presented as if it was ultimately our fault (and I will specify it this time, by "us" I mean all the people of former Yugoslavia, inclusive of the nationalistic leaderships and everyone who fell for it), when all foreign interventionism and efforts to stir chaos are just never even remotely mentioned, probably accepting the trope that "Oh, it's the Balkans, of course they don't need foreign interventionism, they are savages who just like to kill each other from time to time". Well, no, I'm not having this retarded narrative.
Apart from the religious, ethnic and territorial tensions, as a whole. Every place is really beautiful down there.
To visit Yugoslavia is to see what history truly means in flesh and blood.
You said that very well ❤👍
United states of Makedonia!
These half baked history 'lessons' have great impact on raise of hate and intolerance....
Well said 👍
This way you can hypnotize nations with ignorance and then take their tax dollars easily to justify your ambitions - and they will believe it’s all in their own best interest
It's half an hour... you want every small detail in 30 minutes?
It is a solid yet shallow overview for somebody who doesn't know anything and wants to get the basic dates and names.
You leave out entirely the US role here.
The US refused loans or aid unless yugoslav states declared independence. Thats what started sectarianism.
You also leave out how, and this is documented fact, how the CIA airlifted muslim fighters from afghanistan to the balkans in order to form the KLA.
So, come on man. You have to know this stuff.
17:57 you put Vuk Drašković as he is some peacemaker..in that time he was the one of the biggest serbian nationalist with dreams of "greater serbia" and he didn't had nothing against war,he did have against Milošević 'cause of their internal politics. and it was not a "youth protest" against war but a protest against government in organisation of Vuk Drašković and his party and they said that serbian government is in collaboration with Croats. edjucate yourself properly before you make videos,there are numerous incorrect and untrue informations in this video.
agreed, some crucial pieces of information portrayed need to be fixed a.s.a.p.
Vuk Draskovic was a secretary of Mika Spiljak’s office during Spiljak’s mandate as a president of executive council od Yugoslavia (prime minister equivalent). Spiljak was also a president of presidium when winter olimpic games were held in Sarajevo 1984 (before him Tito was on that position). Spiljak was in top five political figures since 1966 after Aleksandar Rankovic was politicaly eliminated. He announced and signed as a president of national parlament constitution from 1974 while second person who signed it was Stane Dolanc (head of federal state security service - Savezna UDBA poslije SDB and in his non-working hours a sponsor and protector of Arkan who was a son of his close friend). Spiljak’s name is often related in a case when former INA CEO Stjepan Djurekovic was murdered after he fled the country and rumors told that Arkan was a person who killed Djurekovic not due his political activity but to hide and protect Spiljak’s son Vanja who was involved in money malversations in INA where he worked. More suspicios came out when iz was discovered that Croatian office of state security also was trying to catch Djurekovic but someone was faster. It was the first time that execution was done by dofferent natinality than the person who was killed because the rule was that everyone will be responsible for their national members in order to avoid national conflict or questions. Returning to Draskovic- he was a highly ranked member of regime and one of the persons who were planned to become hard core nationalist in order to manage part of population that had national ideology or were related to those gruops during WW 2 and before
17:57 this man was no better than Milosevic. In the late 90's, to avoid prison/The Hague, he turned against Milosevic... and it worked.
Before that he was one of the biggest nationalists in Yugoslavia and the one who advocated for "Greater Serbia."
Greater Serbia is a Vatican narrative
@thedarkside13 The most fun fact about that sleazy hypocritical greedy butt head is that he was a successful communist while it was marketable.
1990’s Yugoslavia / balkan wars are just the 1800’s nationalist wars of Europe that were delayed in that region until 1990’s
Yes, could've saved the viewers some time ;)
@@ThePresentPast_lol, I loved the video. As a history buff, you are probably my favorite channel.
I always wondered what the difference was between Yugoslavia and Germany at the time of unification in the 19th century. “Germany” use to have many different German dialects/languages, they were split on religion (Protestant vs Catholic), etc.
the Balkan Wars are a defined historiographical term meaning the two wars fought in 1912 and 1913
@@Homer-OJ-Simpson you don't know that we Croats always had strong national identity and defended it from Hungarian ivaders!
It was many factors, but one man had to pleasure himself with a glass bottle.
Really Dude , Now tell me the true story of your the OVERRACE Dardainiannas in 5000 BC , or havin a statue of bill clinton in THE BEST CITY IN the WORLD 🤣
Having a war game as a sponsor for the history video about Yugoslavia is a dark satire in itself.
5:15 correction: thats the dutch flag. The yugoslav flag is blue White red
woops, that Dutch came through there :o
@@ThePresentPast_ trottel
Yep…the Dutch left a good impression in the 90s…
My best friends were Croatians Serbs and Bosnians. I met them all, They were all good people.
there were also the Domobranci who were the fascics Slovenes who wanted to make Slovenia free and alied to Germany.
and no, we never lived in a „diverse nation“ Slovenia was always a homogenious Slovene society witch was unfortunately always ocupied and backstabed
I think he meant Yugoslavia as a whole
@Rade-yy7geyoure right, i honestly dont know other hostories than slovene so i cannot speak on that but it is very bad that he got away woth so many mistakes
I admire the attempt, but the Yugoslav wars still have even more nuance than what you mention.
To be fair to you, the Yugoslav wars are so complicated that no youtuber has really done a satisfactory job of being fair and unfair enough to cover the Yugoslav wars.
You didnt boil the conflict down to "the west caused it" or "the east caused it" and i am glad for that
Can you talk about how. The country of Chile became fascist during ww2
Your assessment regarding ottomans is completely wrong. They did not bring any peace nor prosperity to the Balkans. They were responsible ones for destruction and disunification in the first place. Before the ottomans came in, the Serbs were an empire. The Serbs fought against ottoman aggression and tried to stop the ottoman invasion of the Balkans. During the Kosovo battle, Lazar Hrebeljanović (the national hero of Serbs) died. As a result, the Serbian Empire scattered, and many territories fell into ottoman hands. Ottomans were the brutal looter invaders, who terrorized the Balkans and literally ruined the Balkan lands. ottomans left less developed and poor countries in the Balkans at their fall in 1918.
The attitude of the guy speaking at around 27 minute mark is not the attitude shared by the majority of young people in Serbia or Serbs in general.
This is the attitude of the so called "Second Serbia" consisting of auto chauvinistic liberal leftists.
I stopped watching at "NATO is here to stop the war in the former Yugoslavia"
Well, it kinda did
I'm not sure NATO ever liked the idea of Yugoslavia, as far as NATO possibly having a hidden hand in the Civil War among the Ustasa and all that... I don't know?
They literally DID. We were warring and killing each other for a decade and the NATO forced us to stop. Educate yourself for a change.
@@dontcomply3976 FACT
@@DARK0073GAMING The uneducated ones should keep to video gaming. Muppets.
Thanks for the video, will come back in 10 years to let you guys know how it went!
❤ as a Serb that was growing up in Yugoslavias republic Serbia it is hard to understand why a beautiful country as Yugoslavia was destroyed by the West as the Varsow pact was dead at 1989 Berlin Wall takedown.
Because divide and conquer my friend.
mali, niti ces ikad ista razumeti, ako mislis da je Zapad kriv za nase muke.
It is very easy to understand. Divide and Conquer
After the death of dictator Josip Broz Tito, the internal state of Yugoslavia experienced turmoil and chaos.
It's concerning to see someone without expertise in Balkan affairs editing an entire video about a topic they don't fully understand, seemingly just to earn money from a war game sponsor. This kind of content is detrimental to our youth's understanding of important issues. Some people should refrain from speaking on topics they're not knowledgeable about, allowing those with genuine expertise to be heard instead.
This is a false image and the narrative is taken out of context. Why did the author skip the mission called Storm, which aimed (and achieved) the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Krajina (Croatia)? Why didn't he talk about the suffering of the Serbs in their holy land Kosovo and Metohija? Why didn't he state the real reason for the NATO bombing of Serbia, but also of its citizens, civilians and all the victims who died in that shameful act of attack by 30 countries (including USA) on one small Serbia?
First minute and it goes "NATO trying to stop war" and we finished before we even start.
They literally DID. We were warring and killing each other for a decade and the NATO forced us to stop. Educate yourself for a change.
@@Vera8029 educate myself? Hah, get a brain for a change. What you just wrote is idiotic at best.
the serbs had it coming though also THEY LITERALLY STOPPED THE WAR,if it wasn't for them,the war might still be going
@@the1stpeanut sure, shitforbrains, that must be it.
Everbody has his own opinion and make actions reasonable for a war. The only really true fact is that the people were so stupid starting killing each other no matter what happend. I m from yugoslavia half from "croatia" half from "serbia" but the war was never an argument between my parents. People have to stop to listen to any politics.
There is a serbian movie called Rane(Wounds)(1998). Its plot is set in the Belgrade of the 90s from the eyes of kids from that time. It's an absurdist comedy of sorts, but the only absurd thing about the movie is that the things depicted in the movie were much more absurd in real life. 90s really are a time of wounds on the former yugoslav countries, wounds which effects can still be felt today.
there's also a serbian film
To understand 90s war i recommended the best movie on that topic
LEPA SELA LEPO GORE ( PRETTY VILLAGES PRETTY FLAME ) you have it with enlish subtitles,u wont regret it,if u like and interested in Yugoslavia land of honey and blood.
FALSIFIKAT FILM 🎥 : PRAVI NAZIV " Lepa SRPSKA sela lepo gore a ružna ostaju ružna i kad gore " ( zločini nad civilima u vojnicima Srbima i decom i bebama u pet opština pod kontrolom VRS Vojske Republike Srpske od 1991 - 1995 .godine ) ... Vođa ZLOČINAČKE BANDE sa više od nekoliko 1000 vojnika naoružanih do zuba divizije u sastavu LAŽNE ARMIJE Bosne i Hercegovine u LAŽNO DEMILITARIZOVANOJ enklavi u gradu Srebrenici pod zaštitom NIZOZEMSKIH VOJNIKA UN ... odmazda za nastavak zločine nad civilima iz WW2 nastavljena u WW3 do kraja nad Srbima civilima u Podrinju MUSLIMANSKE MUŠKARCE VOJNIKE STIŽE KAZNA U avgustu 1995.godine ... nije bilo genocida nad njima samo je preživeli od nekoliko 1000 izginulih u obruču VRS u proboju prema gradu Tuzli zarobljeno do 1000 njih pokušali su bekstvo i svi vojnici čuvari su ih pobili u samoodbrani ... Groblje u političarima je muslimansko vojničko groblje a ne LAŽNI GENOCID ... Groblje u Bratuncu je groblje završenog genocida iz WW2 u WW3 nad civilima u vojnicima Srbima ... Bil Klinton i Hilary treba nam povod da NATO Luftwwafe bombarduje VRS - Vojsku Republike Srpske i VRSK - Vojsku Republike Srpske Krajine ... TREBA NAM SREBRENICA predsedniče Alija Izetbegović SKLONI i Zaštitu NASERA ORIĆA sve ostale žrtvuj ... TOK ISTORIJE ... MileR 001 ... Srpska Nikita 🇷🇸 ...
Weight of the chains is a waaaaaaay better to understand what happened.
the difference between catholic and orthodox is big and you put it very superficially there "a war about who jesus loves the most" it's kinda propagandistic thing to say as if made to make them both look stupid or something, all I can say is bruh...
otherwise good quality footage and all, also nato is kinda bad and always contribute to destabilisation
For a Bosnian like me (That lives now in Germany) I can also speak up to Bosnia in many Positive and Negative ways.
Born when the war was going to an End and where my Mother was hiding with me while my Father and Grandfather fought to defend our living area,I've never saw the war with my own eyes or memory.
However the aftermath of said war has hit me at an insane amount,rarely did I went out from fear of attacks,never went to clubs,never had a girlfriend,everything was corrupted in my eyes.
I have 1 memory that is semi-clean,it is the Jeeps and Trucks that were parked on the top of the road next to our house,they looked like military,but didn't knew who they belonged.
My Father and Mother told me to go inside and hide,saw soldiers talk to my father,didnt knew what they wanted,but if I would connect to this day,would say that the military wanted they equipment back,my father never told me what it was they wanted.
Thro the years I've lived a peaceful life at my home,one recollection of my memory that is like a haze of cloud were the Visit from Soldiers in my Kindergarden,they had barrette,I thought they were British,but later my life I've found out they were Germans helping us with toys from donation (I still trying to find them to shake they hands in thankfulness).
It motivated me to move to Germany and also help people for the future (that is now)
They country itself was vast blooming in culture,food,music and very nice people,but the government is corrupted and they don't even hide,technology fell behind,I could not afford much when I started working,most was lost to the 3 Presidents we have even today.
I can however recommend for tourists to visit all the places there,as its more worth and enjoyable then going to some other countries at this moment.
The Schools were also not better with kids fighting,and fighting with me out of hate in the high school.
Hate and Corruption are the biggest reason I've left Bosnia.
My heart hurts looking back in the past,but it hurts even more to be distant from my family.
Maybe someday I shall return when things settle down,as I see the same hate and corruption happen in Germany as I write this.
That is all my Perspective.
NATO general :
How the Serb army escaped Nato
'They came out of villages when they wanted to, they hid when the weather was good'
Nato commanders, not to say political leaders, became increasingly frustrated by their inability to destroy Serb units.
It was known that Yugoslavia had built an extensive system of underground shelters for its troops, guns and aircraft - a relic of President Tito's era, in preparation for a possible invasion by the Soviet Union. Many of its camouflage techniques, including the use of dummy weapons emplacements, the Serbs had learned from the russians.
Critics of the bombing campaign also said mistakes were the inevitable result of Nato's policy of restricting its pilots to bombing from 15,000 feet or above - a policy dictated not least by political considerations, notably Washington's determination to avoid horrified public reaction to the sight of "bodybags" coming home.
Yet when the western media saw the Serb military withdraw from Kosovo in early June, they saw convoys of Serb tanks, armoured cars, guns, trucks and military equipment untouched by Nato's air assault.
Nato's bombing campaign, with thousand of sorties and the dropping of tens of thousands of bombs, including sophisticated precision weapons, succeeded in damaging just 13 of the Serbs' 300 battle tanks in Kosovo.
Serbs had 50 marines In their hotels and a deal was made ,the Serbs pulled out
Little nation like serbia , then again those serbs are tough .
i love delusional serbs like this who dont even realize they lost lol
You can never take our will to be free. Period.
@@OropherIsilra we support serbia period if you are serbian you do understand my post ?
@@Sammy-be5dc did you not understand essence of my Serbia will?
@@OropherIsilra yea you said (me) will never take your will ,I'm.not from a nato nation
"2024 WORLD PRESS FREEDOM INDEX" table at 23:55 does not match your source (RSF - Reporters Without Borders)
Great video though!
Yes, that table was very weird to me! Now i see why.
The World Press Freedom index is compiled by RSF, but maybe you know of another index?
@@ThePresentPast_ I don't know why is TH-cam filtering my comments but let's try one more time - by your very source, that table is not true. Please check it as I cannot put a link here since then my comment gets hidden.
@@ThePresentPast_ I'm not arguing the credibility of the index, I'm simply stating that the table data provided in the video (23:55) is not the data provided by the stated source (sources, page 8, page footer, RSF unnumbered source between sources 46 and 47) i.e. the numbers do not match.
RSF 2024 World Press Freedom Index of former Yugoslavian countries ordered by score (higher is better) and rank:
Country - Actual score (#world rank) - Video stated score
North Macedonia - 73.78 (#36)- 74.35
Montenegro - 73.21 (#40) - 74.28
Slovenia - 72.60 (#42) - 74.89
Croatia - 68.79 (#48) - 75.87
Kosovo - 60.19 (#75) - 70.45
Bosnia-Herzegovina - 58.85 (#81) - 68.12
Serbia - 54.48 (#98) - 76.01
I've noticed this, since Serbia is well known for its poor press freedom.. And it was first on your list (from the Yugoslav countries). Its press freedom (#98) is akin to that of countries like Tanzania (#97), Chad (#96), Israel (#101) or Kenya (#102)
The other countries (rank and score) seem to be wrong as well. Norway was put as 91.98 while its actual score is 91.89. Denmark is stated as 90.21, actual score 89.60. You've put Lithuania 10th just in front of Germany, while in the RSF index, Germany is 10th and Lithuania 13th. You also put Russia in 39th place with a score of 65.45, while they are actually 162nd with a score of 29.86.
Guilty for the civil war and desintegration of Yugoslavia in the first instance,NATO !
A good book about Yugoslavia is "To Kill a Nation: The Attack on Yugoslavia" by Michael Parenti.
i saw his lecture on that topic - loved it. Parenti is absolutely amazing - as well as his lectures. Love the man!
"NATO is here to stop the war in the former Yugoslavia"
Ok buddy, sure.
They literally DID. We were warring and killing each other for a decade and the NATO forced us to stop. Educate yourself for a change.
Disliked for the sponsor. Bro is desperate
The ad really undermines the seriousness of this topic.
Not really a historically accurate video filled with propaganda.
My father is a Bosnian-Croat and my mother a Ukrainian, I was born and raised in Croatia...I was a small kid when Yugoslav planes bombed Zagreb, I remember the dread, the steel bunk beds in the fallout shelther with the itchy wool from which you couldn't sleep, I remember the uncertainty of tomorrow...I remember the sirens and I remember the blood on the TV news and the fear in my sister's eyes as she was frantically putting on my shoes...But...I was not brought up to hate Serbs.........my wife's family is from Dvor on the river Una a border town between Republic of Srpska (Serb part of Bosnia) and Croatia where her grandmother's cousin was shot dead on his own porch and filmed by Chetniks, all that just for being Croat...but no...she does no hate Serbs...cut to today...many internet Serbs now support Russia's invasion in Ukraine blinded by their own hatred and propaganda, and being half Ukrainian with some family in the occupied regions I wavered, I was extremely close to say "F*ck'em, f*ck'em all" ...but...I will be the bigger man, I will not hate...I want peace...
Sure , you are bigger man from your mouth and inside your head.With big sswazzi banner.
Oh my mouth praise me so. .
Hatred is born only after Jasenovac,not before. Thanks to Croats.
... no reasonable man can be upset with traumatised Srbs arming themselves just to defend their homes that concetration camp era do not happen all over again
@@srdjanmarkovic4934 hate existed long before, and will exist long after. He explained that he doesnt hate the Serbs and that he doesnt want to hate. You are only one "hating" here. He maybe isnt a big man, but he is definitely bigger one than you.
@@Bileks150 sure buddy - another "expert". Now you know everybodys reasons for everythimg.
Oh praise me my big mouth, say all the best of me. You bigger guys yet still to grow to fit size of a man.
Whats life aboit if not growing and learning.
@@srdjanmarkovic4934 how bad you must hate a country and people from it to write such a comments under a person that says that he doesnt want hate, only peace? Sure, if people comments like *ou i hate "insert literally any nationality" that would be fine, but he didnt. He wrote about his expirience during the war, why wont you wrote yours too? Cmon, lets talk.. we live in a world where hate should have been long gone but its somehow worse and worse every year.. im not here to hate on you nor any nationality, but why you are?
truly hatred will hurt your liver pal. for every quarrel you need at least two sides and none is innocent.
14.30 Show all of Milosevic's Kosovo speech! It was actually quite peaceful not nationalistic! Here is an extract of his speech: "Serbia has never had only Serbs living in it. Today, more than in the past, members of other peoples and nationalities also live in it. This is not a disadvantage for Serbia. I am truly convinced that it is its advantage. National composition of almost all countries in the world today, particularly developed ones, has also been changing in this direction. Citizens of different nationalities, religions, and races have been living together more and more frequently and more and more successfully."
Organizes genocide in multiple countries/nations, gets called peaceful and minority-loving by youtube commenters
@@Vera8029 Need glasses? It seems you can't read.
Yugoslavia and Libya - two strategic "gateways to Europe". That's why they were bombed by the Americans (with the participation of their "West European allies"), so that there would be a mass exchange of the European population.
A south African friend gave me that book Balkan Ghost to read 24 years ago and I've been married to a Bosnian for the last 10.
The irony of a South African giving you that book, considering the fact that we can draw many parallels between SA and former Yugoslav states.
@returnoftemack222,do you live in Bosnia or have you ever been there ?
@eddiethorne6461 been going for 10 years and have places in Sarajevo, Tuzla and building on the coast in Croatia.
Yugoslavia was destroyed on Easter, April 16, 1944, when the Western "allies" bombed Belgrade in order to bring the communists to power!
They bombed all major cities on the territory of Serbia, especially the capital Belgrade, where the majority of Christians are of the Orthodox faith. They were bombed on their biggest holiday, Easter, without any announcement. Then when everyone who could under the fascist occupation secretly celebrated their biggest holiday in their homes.
That bombing was the second major bombing of Belgrade in World War II. The first happened on April 6, 1941, when Adolf Hitler, without declaring war, bombarded the civilian part of Belgrade with heavy bombs. Objects of Serbian cultural heritage were especially targeted, with the national library being hit with napalm bombs...
But it should be emphasized that the bombing by the Western "allies" in 1944 under the slogan of liberating Belgrade from the fascists was far more merciless, and the number of civilian victims was abnormal.
After that, the West, specifically Great Britain in the first place, imposed Tito and his communist rule on the Yugoslavs. And he forbade the royal family to return to Yugoslavia, which had been waiting all this time in London under British "protection and guarantees" that they would be returned to their Royal Court.
On the contrary, they moved the communist dictator Josip Broz alias Tito into the Royal Palace. Banned all democratic institutions, abolished political parties. And all those who were motivated by that were liquidated or sent to concentration camps! The most famous is "Goli otok", on a deserted island in the Adriatic Sea. Thus, Europe had legal concentration camps like Hitler's and Stalin's even after the Second World War.
It is a precedent of historical proportions, which perfectly demonstrates the union of globalists, fascists and communists, which continues to this day.
Burazeru, oslobodi se te udbo-četničke propagande. Nemam vremena o svemu da ti odgovaram, niti mi pada napamet, ali ideja da su saveznici bombardovali samo Srbiju je idiotska - proguglaj malo , dobićeš informacije da su zapadni delovi Jugoslavije bili sušeni od bombardovanja. Split i Zadar su rasturani, mnogo puta bombardovani, na primer. Kao i Zagreb.
Srbija i njeni gradovi su bili legitiman cilj početkom 1944, jer su bili bastion kvislinške vlasti i okupacionih snaga. Srbijom je vlada marionetska vlast kao i u drugim krajevima Balkana. A i zabole me da branim ovde Zapadnjake, nego me nervira strašno ta srpska sklonost ka bednoj jajarskoj večitoj viktimizaciji.
Ne, nismo bili ništa posebno do 1944., da nije bilo Crvene Armije i upada partizana, odnosno NOVJ iz drugih oblasti Jugoslavije, a zatim i mobilizacije i Sremskog fronta... komotno bi Srbija istorijski ostala zapamćena kao nemački satelit u WW2. Kao uostalom i mnoge druge države. Bugarska, na primer.
PS - Srbija je imala 20-ak konc logora na svojoj teritoriji, gde su sprovodjene desetine hiljada rodoljuba, talaca, pripadnika manjina i nepodobnih, i potkazanih. Sprovodili su ih nedićevci i ljotićevci, uz gestapo i ostale strukture. Srbija je bila DRUGA JUDEN FREI zemlja u Evropi, revnosno je počišćena Jevrejska populacija. Nije je bilo mnogo, doduše, ali tako stoje stvari zvanično. Dakako, 100 Srba za jednog Nemca stoji kao fakat takođe, ali Srbe za streljanje i sprovođenje u logore birali su najčešće sami Srbi. Po službenoj dužnosti.
Posle su navodno partizani iz obesti i morbidne ideologije "ubijali cvet srpske mladosti i poštene domaćine".
Jašta, sve pošten domaćin, moj do mojega.
Unfortunatly another very inaccurate video report about Balkan war. Mentioning Srebrenica but not Naser Oric and his slayers. Mentioning serbs torturing kosovo shiptars and not speaking about Hashim Tachi. Not pointing that Slovenia and Croatia were the first to seek independence after Serbs gave them the country after ww1 (taking them under the wings of Serbia)...and so much more untold facts.
TITO WAS A MASTER OF FOREIGN POLITICS, BUT IN DOMESTIC POLITICS AN AMATEUR.
I appreciate your efforts trying to paint an unbiased overall picture. To fully understand (if that's even possible), a much deeper dive into the historical periods is essential though.
Pozdrav to all people with good will from someone who grew up in SFR Yugoslavia, whose Serbian great grandparents had to flee from the ustaša in WW2 from Bosnia to Serbia and whose other Croatian great grandpa was ki*led in Croatia, after protecting his Serb friend from the ustaša, who wanted to wall him up alive, then got beaten up and died as a result of the injuries.
The Biggest mistake for Serbs was to follow King Aleksandar's decision to join the Kingdom of SHS (later Yugoslavia) after WW1
Biggest mistake was fall of Obrenović dynasty and thus bringing Anti Serb Karadjordjević fagots
There are always some things that missing. I think that guilt for breakup of Yugoslavia is shared between republics, because it is very similar to end of a marriage, there are always two sides of a story.
You forgot to mention western marriage consultants that saw a big opportunity for them in the brake up of Yugoslavia and war in it.
@@andydufresne9593 What western consultants before 1995? Btw ICTY statistics say otherwise
@@beiragusa you didn't get the point but that's ok. EU had it's fingers all over Yugoslavia before the war started, but Milosevic didn't want to do anything with EU and Nato. So the EU and US secretly armed the Croats and assured them they would help in case of war, witch they knew was inevitable in that constellation of power.
And don't mention ICTY because it's only real use was to make the Serbs bad guys of Europe after the war.
@@andydufresne9593 Incorrect. Croatia was under arms embargo, arms were from captured jna barracks and bought illegaly from collapsed soviet union. West didn't enter conflict until 1994 in Bosnia. Entering Eu as yugoslav confederation was Stjepan Mesic plan to save Yugoslavia. ICTY was global tribunal that included countries from even third world. Incorrect on every term, typical serb propagandist "equally guilty" "cia destroy yugoslavia" hur dur
@@andydufresne9593 Incorrect. Croatia was under arms embargo, it got its weapons from captured Jna barracks and from collapsed soviet union, Russians sold million ak's at price of 160$ a piece, including mig 21's later. There was no western involvement in war in Croatia at all, and not anywhere until 1994 Bosnia. Plan for yugoslavia to enter eu as confederation was proposed by Stjepan Mesic, a Croat politician, in 1990 as a means to prevent war and save yugoslavia as a whole. ICTY was international tribunal, even third world countries participated, conclusions are clear. You are incorrect on every term, as is expected of serb propagandist, slowly trying to paint the conflict as ''everyones fault'' or ''cia destroyed yugoslavia'', it was clear serbian agression! Relativism and revisionism were always strong sides serb propaganda, Just like when you suddenly remembered to make a resolution about ww2 camps, month after you were presented with a resolution of your war crimes in Srebrenica, 30 years ago. But it will never be forgotten!
I am from Republika Srpska and I agree with that guy who didn't want to appear although I don't really understand why? He must be in party or someone is blackmailing him some other way. I am not politically active so no one can blackmail me like that, I can freely speak my mind.
Question for Serbs in Bosnia: would you fight another civil war against Bosnians to secede from the federation?
@@michaelalek6490 NO.
@@michaelalek6490 No.
@@michaelalek6490yes
Here we say,bring ur moma to fight,if someone talk shit and want war.
I as a Bosnian say we can live togheter it the politics that are killing us with that theme almost 30 yrs in fear of the war against each other,and we can not live without each other,historically,economicly,no one has a right to attack Bosnian,Serb,Croats because we are Bosnia and Herzegovina together,this air,water,land are ours DNA.
NATO destroyed Yugoslavia, unluckily France participated.
Highly sided, fast forwarded with bunch of intentionally avoided details, skipped facts and storytelling self wording descriptions. This is NOT how documentary should be made. I am ready to argue and give a proof of fake descriptions for half of what was said in this video + not to mention avoiding . Why you are making documentaries without making a proper research? You used single book for this and you create partly-truth historical narrative which was far away from a full story.
Because it's not a documentary - it's part of much bigger western propaganda
The title is written wrong - the question is not "Why Yugoslavia is Divided", but rather "Why can't Yugoslavia Unite".
Gavrilo Princip was a Serb nationalist, there was no Yugoslavia back then. This documentary is bullshit
man you really can learn anything on TH-cam.
Not Ethnic lines. Those lines weren't ethnic, they were deliberately drawn politically, not ethnically.
Google for the "Yugoslavia ethnic map 1980".
The Yugoslavian internal administrative lines were drawn with something else in mind and they were not real "states within federation".
Not often a video makes me feel hopeless and hopeful at the same time. It's tragic that these people that always felt Yugoslav, now had to become Serbian / Croatian / Kosovan / etc., that their neighbours became enemies. And all because of some power hungry politicians that chose not to see the impact their ambitions could have (or did, and chose to disregard them).
It's scary that nowadays, quite a lot of politicians are tending towards a similar rhetoric.
Still I'm in some way hopeful, hearing how many of the young people there can see through these falsehoods.
First time in a long time that I'm replying to a video, but damn, this one struck a chord. Agree that Ljubljana is a bit boring too.
Serbs and Croats always felt Serbian and Croatian, just because we were inside of a federation doesn't make us different ethic groups.
Most Kosovars were also technically not Yugoslavs as they were Albanians, they weren't Slavic.
But, I agree, war and segregation are bad.
@@JmKrokY Al least to agree with you on something.Albanians in Yugoslavia were not Slavs,and they were at times off Yugoslavia most nationalic ,you can see and try religion.Albanians in Albania are only 50% Muslim while that in Yugoslavia were 100% muslim becase Albanian muslims did not allow any Albanian in Yugoslavia not to be muslim ,they would be targeted as traitors
This video lost me right at the beginning. At NATO was here to prevent war. When In reality, NATO supported and encourage separatist in Yugoslavia and practically contributed for the destruction.
What separatist?
People rose up to fight for their freedom beaucuse they had enough of that fake federation.
Serbia is the one that started the war tho. They didn't have to attack other Yugoslav nations. Did the UK attack Scotland or did Spain attack Catalonia for wanting independence? So by your logic if Spain attacks Catalonia tomorrow people that support catalonia today are to blame for the war?
@@og_clock why did Spain imprisoned the guy who wanted Catalonia independent? Why the west not allowed referendum for the people to decide whether they want to stay with Spain or not? While west helped Albanian separatist to take Kosovo, but the serbs in bosna cannot have independence. That's a hypocrisy. And the serbs did not start the war. I am from Macedonia which was part of Yugoslavia. I know the history better than you.
@filipkirovski5823 "The West" doesn't decide who can do a referendum. The referendum in Catalonia was violating the constitution of Spain but according to the Yugoslav constitution individual republics were allowed to have a referendum and leave. Serbs in RS didn't even have a referendum in Yugoslavia because RS didn't even exist as a separate entity and RS attacked Bosnia with the help of Serbia. They were the agresors and the current constituiton of Bosnia which RS signed doesn't allow for secession. "The West" didn't help Albanians in Kosovo. The United Nations asked Serbia repeatedly to stop killing Albanians in Kosovo and Serbia didn't stop that's why there's a UN peacekeeping mission in Kosovo right now.
@filipkirovski5823 If Serbs in Bosnia wanted independence they should've asked for a referendum after Bosnia became independent instead of attacking it. Tell me then who started the war and when? Tell me the date of which some Yugoslav Republic or some other country attacked Serbia?
It is not all wrong but simplified and generally the Western narrative of what happened in former Yugoslavia, actually you don't go far with your so-called objectivity.
We recreating Yugoslavia in Call of War
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You lost me at 2:50 when u didn't include Kosovo!
Worse luck, you have not studied anything but only presented the official Western propaganda.
Have you read Milosevic's speech from 1989 Kosovo Polje? There's nothing nationalistic in it.
Sorry mate, totally off the mark. The breakup of Yugoslavia was funded and supported by the US. The US could not risk the Russians having their military base in the Balkans. Camp Bondsteel is proof. So come back when you are not biased.
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Yes, bark all the blame on one tree and pretend that the SANU nemorandum was never written.
@@ctd325 Dream, US, that the whole world "hates" you...
@@kenjiogyvara757 Also, the West currently spreads propaganda according to which "the collapse of Yugoslavia was inevitable" because "they had irreconsivable ethnic differences". It's so wrong it's insane. The different groups of Yugoslavia are very very similar, I would even argue the serbs and croats and bosniaks are one ethnicity. The difference between them is no bigger than the one between US states or Italian or German regions. It's also much much smaller than the one between for example different islands of Indonesia. How were the differences "irreconsilable"? Creating made-up national identities and then harassing each other based on ultra nationalism isn't natural. If Texans started being ultra nationalistic and attacking California America would collapse too! A peaceful transition of power from Tito to someone competent and banning ultra nationalism would've avoided the collapse.
reading declassified cables sent by Canadian peacekeepers you discover that a multi ethnic peace agreement was ready only to find out that one side suddenly began making insane demands. Later you find out that the US state department made its own assurances to this group, basically "sure bro, go to war, we'll totally back you"
Obožavam kad neko izvana priča o stvarima koje ne zna ili nije proživio