how about both because even if he did killed Joker, he may got revive later or someone took his place instead like Joker Daughter or Joker in Batman Beyond.
Ye. Even if the system in Gotham is corrupt it’s in their best interest to get rid of him because what’s gonna happen when Joker decides they’re in the way of his latest plan?
@@eaglewarrior7979 while I personally agree with your approach, not everyone has the stomach for that or the time and if that’s the case it will still be perfectly fine for the Joker to simply be shot in the head.
Neither Batman nor Superman should kill the Joker., but yes the Joker should absolutely be killed. Comparing him to both Harvey and the Penguin isn't even fair as both of them have shown the capacity to reform if not the capability (currently) to stay on that road.
@@hoopsonwheels I often wonder if Batman would stay away if he learned Red Hood, Lady Shiva, Deathstroke or someone like that was after the Joker. Would he allow the Joker to be killed by an efficient killer that wouldn't cause collateral damage in the process? Hell, how would Batman react if Joker got shot dead by some would-be victim with a concealed carry permit?
Think he means: if he kills Joker? What's stopping him from killing Penguin, Two-Face (his former friend Harvey Dent), Riddler, Scarecrow, Harley Quinn, or down to even a petty criminal who had to be a criminal just to support his family?
You might not be quoting anyone but yourself, but your comments are simply annoying, and make no sense... Reason? You never stick to the subject people talk about. For example, a month ago, one person commented on how Joker should die by Batman's hands. That's where you stuck your nose. You talked about humanity. I believe you wanted to make a fair point, but you sir failed. You made absolutely no point at all. You just talked on how humans have been killing each other 3.4 million years, and how the world can carry on without dodo and T-rex. Please, get back to the subject if making a fair point is your goal. Thanks.
Batman: "No matter what you do, I'd never kill you!" Joker: "I know, batsy. And I'd make sure you'd regret it every time you let me live." And so these psychos continue their psychological game until Joker gets bored and does Injustice 😁
Unfortunately, Batsy makes a very good point which Needlrmouse eloquently reiterates: “Once you start down that path, where and when would it end? WOULD it even end?”
@@shewolfsiren Batman may not have enough control to stop himself from killing those who don't deserve but why should he stop those who do have enough control to only kill those who deserve it why should he stop Jason from killing The Joker.
@@blackwizard3264 Red Hood's more of an antihero than a supervillain. He doesn't kill people because he wants to cause chaos. He kills people because he wants to eradicate those who won't fear the Bat and continuously harm society. Pretty much every kill that Jason has done can be justifiable.
Kareem Dawood yeah. We know it’s in the normal universe from the mini series so send him to the dessert in a place where the toxin would spread out to thin to get anybody, set Jason and a sniper a few thousand yards away to keep him safe then we just watch.
the chosen one In real life it isn’t legal to kill a mentally insane person so because the joker is insane they can’t put him in death row because the law protects him from death
the chosen one Because “supposedly”the mentally insane are not aware of their actions because of that people believe they shouldn’t be killed if they have a chance to be rehabilitated and become sane again
I agree with this video 100%. Joker is remorseless, and even gleeful, about his crimes. He takes endless pleasure in every single torture and death he inflicts, and he SHOULDN'T be able to use insanity for every single offense, because - while he can't remember anything about how he became the Joker or before he became the Joker due to his "multiple-choice origin" - he CAN remember, and is always fully aware of, many of his crimes. He remembers and takes a lot of joy in the death of Jason Todd, as well as shooting Barbara and other such misdeeds. He literally says "here's to crime" as Barbara is bleeding on the floor, acknowledging that the act is a crime. He deserves the death penalty - his is EVERYTHING that the death penalty should be used for. But, unfortunately, he always seems to escape NO MATTER WHAT, so I don't think he'll ever wait long enough for court proceedings to get to that point, or for the execution itself.
A.Username technically she didn't get a proper look at the Joker, he knew what she was doing the whole time and played her like a fiddle. She only ever heard what HE wanted her to hear, not what SHE wanted to hear. Besides, the only way she COULD love him is if she believed that, on some deep level, he was stable and/or sane. Although, it IS possible that this is the case, and Joker is just a really extreme nihilist.
I have two comments for this thread. The first, is that I’m surprised nobody’s hired Deadshot to put a cap in the clown’s skull yet. If the only way is a sniper, then Deadshot’s the man you want to talk to, and I’m sure Joker’s pissed off someone who can afford to foot Deadshot’s bill. The second, is that if Harley’s notes that Joker is in fact faking his insanity were to be released, then the Joker’s next arrest would’ve had him going straight to the injection table. That being the case, he decided that he needed to break Harley and discredit her by making her insane so nobody would believe the notes. I think he saw her becoming as devoted to him as she is as a lucky windfall. It reminds me of a character in one of my favorite book series. He’s a demon who’s been playing the part of the insane fool for over 50000 years so he can work behind the scenes and manipulate events in a way that neither gods or demons notice. The only difference is that Tizzy uses the role to remain unnoticed, while the Joker uses it to remain untouchable.
You know, this brings up an interesting point; why hasn't Joker been sentenced to death? Why hasn't a court of law sentenced him to death? Of course, the real reason is DC likes keeping such a great character around, but in-universe? How is the Joker not dead yet? I mean, if not Batman or the courts, how has no other crime lord that has been injured by the Joker have him killed?
Of course, the audience would complain if the Joker was killed off, and I suppose I just don't understand US law enough (especially the legal system in the DC universe) to see why the Joker, after all this time, hasn't been deemed a serious threat worthy of the death penalty.
Danuki L in the United States it’s illegal to execute a mentally ill person the joker fits the bill quite well that’s why he’s at an asylum and not a prison.
@@hoopsonwheels That really is fucking stupid, who cares if they are mentally fucked? They are still dangerous murdering psychopaths, best to lock them up in Solitary and make them suffer, or just execute them either one.
Actually, I've got an idea. Someone dressed as Batman should try to kill the Joker, but then reveal who they really are. *(preferably someone he's never gone up against.)*
I've always felt that Batman is in many ways complicit in Joker's crimes, he continues to allow him to live know full well he will only kill again. Same goes for the law of Gotham, at least give I'm the death penalty.
Mats Martensson batman is a super intelligent man even he knows on some level the joker won’t be stopped unless joker dies or the joker manages to kill batman
Here is a question, instead of leaving it in Batman's hands forcing him to do something he doesn't wanna do, or for the most part, the game of, how long can Batman hold out on not killing Joker, how come the Justice System hasn't killed him yet??? I mean the guy has done which I think we can all agree on, a TON of stuff that would send a normal person to the chair 15 times over, and heck doesn't even have to be the chair! I mean when you think about it, they just keep putting a guy in a crazy house that they know for a fact won't change him, and even more so he can get out just about anytime he wants really. Seems to me that Justice needs to step up it's game! I mean I am not stupid, I know story wise it would be a fast end to a great character...who in the land of comics would show back up a year or so later (lol), but it's one of those things to me that, shouldn't even be force into Batman's hands, heck he does enough just putting some of these over the top crazy in the law's hands so they can stop the crazy killings and stuff, the most the Justice system can do is it's half of the job....then I also know that in the real world there would be some stupid rule or law giving the Joker rights because of the fact it was Batman that stopped him!
AtlasOne I think you are the dumbass here,how can you rehabilitate joker?After all that years trying to help him,don't you get that he can't be helped?
In America he would be safe from justice. You can't give the death penalty to someone who is mentally ill, which the Joker definitely is. If he was real, he would get away.
Yes. Almost all of batman's problems come from the joker. I know it is not in line with his philosophy but the joker has hurt so many and had so many chances to be good. It is a crime to let him live
Also, why should he get to force his philosophy on others, sure if he doesn’t want to kill The Joker then he won’t but he shouldn’t be getting in the way of others trying to actually do the right thing.
A pragmatist could disagree, so could a utilitarian and even a virtue ethicist; like Aristotle. The Joker has shown no signs of rehabilitation, but shown all the evidence necessary to argue for permanent removal of his presence for the safety of society. No one has been able to offer a diagnosis, no one but Harley. in a comic before, she was manipulated into the abusive relationship, she concluded that the Joker was in fact; not mentally ill and should therefore be imprisoned for life or executed. Even if he is mentally ill, I would still argue that killing him is lesser of two evils. Where leaving him alive is the greatest evil. Batman cannot kill him due to his trauma, but anyone else could (and should).
What kind of madman would even consider killing his best friend!?!? Oh right, me. Hahahahahaha!! But that's me! Not Bats! Remember Superfreak? Killing me didn't work out well did it?
Waverton, there is no death penalty in Gotham, so that’s why it’s either Red Hood, Azrael, or Damian Wayne killing The Joker, or The Joker killing billions of lives.
DarthLesbian420 i personally feel that most comics try to paint a line between good an evil, Batman is Good and the joker is evil. So they try to keep it simple and in order to prevent the story from abruptly ending they keep the villains alive unlike how most people wouldn’t in the real world. That joker alone is responsible for the deaths of millions literally he nuked a city and killed Superman’s unborn son and wife (injustice video game) people like that cannot be helped in their society. Then we look at anti heroes like the punisher a man that was a Vietnam war hero that did nothing wrong and fought for his country had his family stripped away from him for no reason other then the mafia simply deciding to kill them. And so he end killing a lot of people HE deems evil most being regular criminals that can be habilitated. I personally feel that’s he’s right to mourn and take revenge because ik damn well I would the same thing in his predicament(having his combat experience ect) but idk it’s all up to how we the readers and viewers feel
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Gotham certainly has the death penalty, Blackgate has a death chamber. Problem is, it’s illegal worldwide to execute criminally insane people, because they aren’t fully in control of themselves.
8:38 I always thought that Shazam would survive that, given his invulnerability and regenerative healing factor. I mean, he's done so before in the comics, for one. And for two, he's basically a god (in that form anyways), so he shouldn't have died anyways. And yet he dies in such a weak way.
But yes killings Shazam is terrible for Injustice Superman he even killed some of his friends who tried to defend themselves so Injustice Superman went over the line in the beginning
In the MAIN comics Superman has proven many times(atleast about 30 instances) he can effortlessly destroy the entire JLA if he were to go all out.Its the damn truth Trust me,he could definetly kill Shazam that easily if he were evil,now if Shazam were older like in Kingdom Come?Different story
Yes, he should kill the Joker. Every person that Joker has killed is because that Batman don't have the guts to end with a Psychopath like Joker. Batman could prevent many deaths by killing the Joker, one life go away to protect the life of hundreds.
Moon Door but it wouldn't stop at one. He could NEVER hold back all that rage at the despicable acts he sees from other hopeless cases like Zsasz and Scarecrow if, deep down, he knew that he had killed before.
question, why does it have to be batman? he isn't part of the justice system, but he believe that's where criminals should go. It's the justice system for not putting joker on death row.
there is a whole justice system that doesn't kill joker, better yet why hasn't there a cop who just shoots the joker, GCP has many crooked cops, yet you are going to tell me none of them are willing to kill the joker themselves. Batman isn't part of the law he has no protection against it, once he kills the joker he is branded a murderer and will be hunted down like one.
Moon Door you have a point... But Batman can't do it. He's anything but stable, and if he were to kill the Joker, even though he of all his enemies deserves it, that's it. It's all downhill from there.
Imagine the following idea- The batman is faced with the worse dillema- kill the joker or let millions die. No third option. He does the deed, and feels nothing new. Killing isn't an infection to your morality, just an act, sometimes a necessary one. He then continues to be less soft on other criminals he fight. Poof, the penguin got one punch to the head to many, blood vessels in his brain can't hold the force of the punch too well. Another one bites the dust. Oh well, who cares, it was for the better. Then lex Luther gets a batarang a bit too dip in his forehead. And slowly, batman ain't so tight on this killing thing. Even on petty crimes, such as small theft. What? That's how his parents die. And thus, a new version of injustice is created. Just a thought
Yeah, there is a long distance to cross between killing murderous and nonredeemable psychopaths that can't be effectively contained and killing petty criminals for stealing a sweetroll. Kinda you know like our law system establish punishment depending on severity of crime not just having a same one for every single criminal?
Your argument could also be said about batman in general. All of the goons he has put in a hospital I bet a lot of them have died. What will he do when he finds out one of jokers henchmen died because he hit his head on the floor when batman threw a batarang at him? Will he start a clearly irrational descent into a murderous authority? Or will he realize that sometimes people die and that doesn't mean killing is acceptable? Keep in mind that we're talking about possibly the smartest guy in the planet. I think the most intelligent person would choose the latter. Of course Superman went crazy with power, he was raised in a farm. Individual people are different, they react to situations differently.
The slippery slope fallacy is an argument that claims an initial event or action will trigger a series of other events and lead to an extreme or undesirable outcome. The slippery slope fallacy anticipates this chain of events without offering any evidence to substantiate the claim.
As always, wonderful video NeedleMouse Productions! I don't think Batman should kill The Joker. However, I DO think Joker should be killed. As for who does the killing, I don't know. Red Hood, perhaps?
Is there any comic storyline that actually plays this scenario out? I know of the Killing Joke's ambiguous ending, but I wanna see the idea of Batman losing it and killing Joker played out so we can see just how far he goes afterward.
The Killing Jokes ending was never meant to be with Batman killing Joker it was Grant Morrison who thought Batman killed Joker at the end it was false though, there are no official stories of Bruce flat out killing Joker on page just possible scenarios, illusions and what not.
Earth 15 I believe. Batman has killed most of the Super villains and has handed over the mantel to Jason. I guess the Joker would be included among the executed, but I'm not entirely sure. Anyway, Earth 15 is said to have been almost perfect and peaceful, but then came Superboy prime....and that was the end of that.
Yes. More realistically; the writers ought to write him so that Batman shouldn't kill him. Either he's incapacitated, cured, escaped, etc. by the end of the story. More importantly, the Joker shouldn't murder thousands of people. He's supposed to be a sinister, wacky crime boss. He can be "crazy" all he wants; but making him a mass murderer... "innocent" or not... just forces Batman's hand. Or would it if he was written competently.
I think he should let someone else do it. He should not have to go against his code but there are probably plenty of people who would like to take the joker out
I remember watching a video by the imaginary axis where he talked about jokers that he is a cartoon character. Because he is super sane, not insane. Even though the people are close enough to being real-life people where their personalties change. Along with many other things
From my knowledge it would've made sense for Batman to kill the joker in the arkham games since in Arkham city Batman says to the joker "Every decision you've ever made ends with death and misery, I catch you, but you just break out and do it again".
Everyone's talking about how batman should kill joker. But I blame GCPD for it. They need to give him a death sentence or otherwise people will keep dying. Not throw him into some asylum
I don't think GCPD is to blame, more like the Justice Department for not pushing the bureaucracy into making an exception to the execution of crazy people.
No, he shouldn't. Batman doesn't kill. He even said he wanted to kill him more than anything. But if he lets himself go down into that place.... He'll never come back. Watch HiTop Films' video on it.
@@titanhades4331 yeah. Jokers blood is on batmans hands. If sans were there batman and joker would have equal amount of karamatic retribution. Because joker has more exp and kills. But batman lets him keep killing
I've always considered it a weak excuse on batman part, unless batman isn't well in the head himself. There is a clear line to draw at killing someone (self-defense etc) and simply not drawing the line (killing everyone or not killing anyone). Joker is pretty much among the worst criminals (human-tier, not counting planet destroying entities) there are, drawing the line on being like joker would mean killing very few people that are equal or worse than joker. In addition to that joker in many depictions (if not all, not sure about it) is pretty much irredeemable and can't be contained (temporarily at best) making other more humane approaches completely ineffective and inevitably leading to more deaths and destruction caused by joker.
There is a difference though between the jokers and two face and penguin. Two face was one of batmans old friends and is just a case of Extreme biopolar so batman could believe he can be saved. The pengiun is the only villian of batmans who's not crazy and so he could think that in the right technique he could be saved.
Well...every villian killed someone in Gotham. Gangs, mobs. And guys if you're going to become a superhero, it's your own fault that something happens to you or your family. Being a villian is so much safer.
The whole Red Hood thing where he says he'd never come back, from my personal aspect, I don't necessarily think that means he will keep killing criminals if he kills the Joker. Hell, I think he'll even just stop at the Joker. I think that since he likes to separate himself from criminals, he believes that criminals are the ones that kill, so if he ever crosses that line, he will just see himself as a criminal. And, while he never ACTUALLY said this quote, people always tend to mention it, and this one goes along with what I mean: "If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world remains the same."
And the kill a killer quote makes no sense to me sure the killers stay the same but the murders go down and if you kill enough the amount of killers will actually plummet.
The Joker should have been murder-killed a long time ago, if not by Batman than the damn Gotham PD or the judicial system. I personally think that Batman never kills his enemies is not because of some code of ethics (though he may actually believe this) but because he needs them to make himself relevant, he wants Gotham to need him and without his enemies to constantly thwart Gotham would no longer need him and if this came to pass he would go insane. In my opinion, he is as bat-shit crazy as the rest of the inmates at Arkham (yes, the pun was intended).
Morally, yes. He knows full well that Joker is incapable of reform and WILL continue to murder with aplomb. By letting him live in spite of this knowledge, Batman is complicit in every death Joker causes.
I’d absolute love it that if in one comic, they have some nobody kill the Joker at trial or something after it is decided he is going back to Arkham. How many thousands of families has he ruined. How many lives has he destroyed. Your telling me that there wasn’t a single person who decided that Joker’s continued existence is beyond wrong and decided to take his life for the sake of revenge/the past victims/prevention of more victims? I’d be a sight to see and I would be amazing.
If Batman killed the Joker then he’d be exactly what he’s fighting. He’d just be the same as the the man who killed his parents. You can say that he would prevent the joker from killing more, but he doesn’t have the right to decide who lives and who dies, that’s not his job. That’s for the law to decide, hence why he takes his enemies to their perspective prisons upon capture. He isn’t the law. Here’s a few examples of what happens when someone kills the joker: Exhibit A: the batman who laughs, this version of batman killed the joker, and you know what he did after? Wiped out the entire population of his earth and many others across the multiverse. He stopped the joker from killing, and ended up killing well over a 1000x more people than the joker ever did himself. Exhibit B: Batman in Titans, during the illusion created by trigon in Dick Grayson’s head, he killed the joker, then killed the rest of his enemies like two face and the riddler, then started killing innocent people including his friends, police, nurses, etc. Exhibit C: Superman in Injustice, kills the joker after he tricked him into killing his pregnant wife, which leads to him enslaving the planet, killing any criminal he could get his hands on including petty thieves and the likes, kills his own friends just for even harbouring the thought that he had gone too far. There’s a few examples, and there are plenty more if you want them.
@@Delete240 What kind of kindergarden level morality do you operate on? Joker is a mass-murdering psychopath with enough crimes on his rap sheet to receive consecutive death sentences; Joe Chill is just a random street thug. The two of them don't even remotely compare. That's like saying "If you kill Pol Pot, then you're no better than Jeffrey Dahmer". How does that make any sense in your head? By your own logic, when a cop shoots an armed criminal, he's no better than the criminal. No, that's not at all true. Also, will you people stop with the whole "if you kill him then you're no better than him" argument? That crap has lost its relevance by the time it's been established that Batman can only sustain his moral high ground by letting the Joker live so he can go on killing more people, which effectively renders Batman's moral high ground worthless. He cares more about his principles than about the suffering of others. The difference between a good person and an evil person is that a good person genuinely cares about the consequences of their actions as well as the suffering of others; evil people don't care who they hurt because they actively enjoy causing suffering to others. Killing a bad person to save others does not, under any moral standard, make you as bad as them. Also, really? It's not Batman's place to decide who lives and who dies and he should let the law decide? Hello? Earth to Kian Hall! Batman is a vigilante. Do you know what that is? It's someone who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority. As a vigilante, Batman is unaccountable to the law. He has no reason to respect Gotham's laws because he's not a cop or a detective or a sanctioned operative. Speaking of which, are we actually talking about Gotham's notoriously corrupt and criminally negligent penal system? Are we talking about Arkham Asylum, a place that is outright notorious for its sheer inability to contain its detainees? You want Batman to leave criminals in the hands of such a corrupt system? Yeah, sure, look how well that's working out. Does the term "sisyphean task" mean anything to you? Also, are we actually gonna weigh the pros and cons of killing Joker on account of a bunch of stories that are so utterly contrived that they might as well have been specifically written to give Joker a reason to exist? Speaking of which, you do realize that when Superman killed Joker, he had already lost his wife, his unborn child and his entire city to that maniac? It wasn't the act of killing Joker that broke Superman -- it was the fact that Joker broke him in such a way that there's no way anyone could walk away from a tragedy like that with their sanity intact. Seriously, what would you have done in his stead? Never mind the fact that in the Injustice comic it was very blatant that if anyone had actually reached out to Superman and tried to help him by appealing to his better nature, he would've never become a ruthless tyrant. Instead, he had to endure 5 years of being egged on by virtually everyone, including his so-called friends whose opposition drove him to more and more extreme measures. Superman didn't just have "one bad day" -- he had several bad years that made him into the monster he eventually became. I swear, you people will come up with the dumbest excuses to justify Batman's lawful stupid behavior.
Insanity is nearly killing Jason with a batarang to the neck to prevent him from killing the Joker. That moment is enough for post crisis Batman to deserve a lot of bad shit,New 52/Rebirth is a bit more sensible though could still use an asskicking
We have already seen what happens if batman starts killing people its called batman vs superman, a batman that kills people will never come back and will became what he has been fighting agents hell the entire plot of injustice is about what would happens if superheros start killing villeins he's batman not the punisher...but maybe you guys liked the batman in bvs
I think when you said Injustice, that was one of the best examples! Heck Joker was Superman's first kill, which didn't stop him after that, heck the comics go even more so into how far Superman fell
Batman killed people in the Tim Burton movie universe, and in The Dark Knight trilogy. Why is BvS Batman so offensive? Is it because he's the only one who's not a hypocrite?
More so okay than the other ones. Batman's legit bookoo-kookoo (crazier than the Joker) if he thinks he's keeping his "one rule", yet so obviously murders people every time he goes on patrol. Batfleck is the most sane one; he doesn't have a "one rule", he realized (presumably after Robin's death) that it doesn't work and faces the reality of the deaths he's caused. He doesn't necessarily go out of his way to kill people, but he has no problem with it should it be the best/most convenient course of action. Logically, Batman thinks it's okay to kill KGBeast in order to save Martha Kent. I've got no problems with that. Him killing people doesn't send him over the edge, it just makes him far more effective. "Heroes killing their villains" isn't what causes Injustice. That is what Marvel heroes do all the time, and no one's suffering from it. Injustice happens when a hero purposefully lets his villain go too far. In other words, Batman's refusal to kill the Joker, which allows him to nuke Metropolis and kill Lois, is what caused Injustice, _not_ Superman killing the Joker.
Hollow Man it pissed me off so much how Zack Snyder decided for Batman to kill blowing thugs up left and right, because it goes against Batmans character and his virtues unlike in Batman the animated series. I understand Superman making a quick decision to remorsefully kill Zod but Batman just nonchalantly killing criminals in BvS left a bad taste in my mouth and they had Batman kill just so Snyder could have a dark and serious movie which im fine with dark and serious but not changing what makes a character that character! I can put up with Batmans brutality like in the Arkham games but not crossing the line to kill which I think takes such discipline and self control. But what about this!? Batman takes Joker as his prisoner liker Rick did with Negan in Walking Dead, Batman would feed him but cut off his arms and legs, blindfold and put headphones on Joker so he doesnt know where he is. Its inhumane but... LOOPHOLE!
He can’t kill him because the joker will have what he wants bringing batman down to his level But whoever said anything about severe life hospitalisation?
Murder isn't justice and Batman's whole agenda revolves around justice so he shouldn't kill the joker what he should do since he's a genius is create a serum that will paralyze the Joker from neck down then problem solved and he didn't even need to become a crazy ass murderer
Nathan Case that’s not even possible since the joker is mentally ill. It’s illegal in the United States to execute a mentally ill person. That’s why he goes to Arkham asylum and not say blackgate prison
@@hoopsonwheels that defense only works if the crime was caused by mental illness and the criminal had no control over their actions (ex: multiple personality disorder) Joker does not fit this description.
No, because it’s not a good marketing move. Take the Punisher. He’s not as well received as Batman despite being a vigilante too. His villains always die so there’s no further character development.
The problem with killing the Joker goes back to the Injustice argument. Once you kill one person, it becomes easier to justify. Even though the comics had a lot of filler, that core message was one of the best parts of the series.
Okay this comment is a reference to spiderman ps4. The death of joker would possibly create a vacuum of power which might lead to a villain that is just as bad or somehow worse than the joker.
Reece Burns because the comics have both awesome action and terrible deaths just read any comic or watch comicstorian search up dark metal for instance
@@prettymint2762 marvel comics have dark moments the punishers family being killed or Spidermans uncle being killed after he decided not to stop a thief or old man Logan those were some pretty dark moments
Spin-off comic, the title: Joker's trial. Non canon batman story, canon elements are used for evidence. Joker: the accused. Barbara: the accuser. batman: the judge. Azrael, the G.C.P.D, tim drake the Justice League: the jure Red hood : executioner.
@@newhybrid101 you can theorise and speculate all you like, but that’s only a theory. The writers and the creators say he’s insane, so that’s what he is. Also, you can be insane and still be calculated.
For me a robin should kill the joker. I will be glad if batman kills him but that would be his breaking point and would loose his mind completely if he kills the joker
Mats Martensson wtf you talking about though all I said is they should no other way I could put it since a robin hasn't killed the joker. I just answered what he asked on who should get the right to kill the joker
I don't think Batman should kill the Joker nor anyone for that matter. The Joker is just too "broken" of a character that he causes a dilemma to Batman and others. Joker doesn't believe in the idea that he "can be saved" or if there's anything of him to be saved. He wants to push Batman and frankly anyone over their limit. When that happens, he wins even at the cost of his life. As what we seen in games like Arkham Knight or when he skinned his face to send to Batman, the "idea" of the Joker and the victory he gains with forcing a situation of killing him preserves "him" even after death. In Injutsice, Superman's actions of killing the Joker was the Joker's everlasting victory on the world as he made one of the most respected heroes that were a beacon of light go to the point of no return.
The sad fact is that he lives in the world of comic books. Even if someone actually managed to kill him, he would simply come back via deus ex machina or because he's a popular character.
Killing in Self-Defense RWBY In RWBY, at the penultimate finale of Volume 6, Blake and Yang kill Adam by impaling him through with the fractured shards of Gambol Shroud. Adam had previously vowed to destroy everyone and everything Blake loved as retaliation for "ruining his life", inflicted grave wounds on both her and Yang, and had stalked Blake across a continent to interfere with her: it's very clear he would never have stopped hunting the girls as long as he was alive, so their killing him is not presented in any unheroic way. Samurai Jack Samurai Jack: In season 5, Jack is at first horrified that one of the Daughter of Aku he killed was human like he, not a machine as he had previously thought. But after recovering with the help of a wolf, he stands his ground and kills off almost all the Daughter of Aku when they strike again.
I've known these characters my whole life, and I've debated the same questions, I've seen movies like, Under the red hood, Suicide Squad, assault on Arkham, Dark Knight trilogy, I've played games like the Arkham series, and Injustice, but does The Joker even understand what he's done? That's the only question I dont have an answer for...
You know we always have these big moral/philosophical debates over this but it’d never be such a big thing if Arkham didn’t suck ass at stopping or preventing breakouts
Thought I’d clarify but that is not from “The Lego Batman Movie Video Game” it’s actually from A lego Dimensions story pack but I’d see why you’d probably get it confused 5:00
The question should not be "should Batman kill the Joker", Batman does not kill, he will never do that, the question is why Batman don't let others to do this job, Bruce literally slit Jason’s throat to save Joker in the under the red hood comic, but why?
Batman should just call up Jason or Ra’s Al Goul or even maybe Lex Luthor and be like”hey dude can you like kill the joker for me thanks a lot I could use the help bye” and they would probably be happy to.
The answer to the title :
Yes, if he wants to save people
No, if he wants us to keep reading his comics
This comment is great. Thank you for that.
I'd Still read the comics, after all contrary to POPULAR belief, in the early days of the comics he DID KILL and frequently.
Crippl hi
how about both because even if he did killed Joker, he may got revive later or someone took his place instead like Joker Daughter or Joker in Batman Beyond.
Batman has other villains, so, yes in any case
“The amount of people I’ve killed by letting you live”
-Batman
I've lost count
Batman: No more! All the people I've murdered, by letting you live.
Joker: I never kept count.
Batman: I did!
Joker: I know. And I love you for it.
“I never kept count”
-joker
Elite gamer **STABS BATMAN BRUTALLY**
FaTaLpanda I did
“They call me crazy for taking on the Batman but the IRS *no thank you* “
- Joker
I'm crazy enough to take on batman 'but the IRS noooo thank you'
Even Joker isn't crazy enough to take on the IRS
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@@ODJJ-77.83 Don't bother seeking some attention. You're being a pathetic embarassment.
He’s crazy, not stupid
If Gotham instituted the death penalty for murderers, the city would have saved COUNTLESS innocent lives
Yeppers
Ye. Even if the system in Gotham is corrupt it’s in their best interest to get rid of him because what’s gonna happen when Joker decides they’re in the way of his latest plan?
Honestly, it would be best for everyone if one of the guards at Arkham snapped, went to Joker's cell, and shot him.
@@theredhood2796 torture the joker first for what he did. Make him beg and scream for mercy break him.
@@eaglewarrior7979 while I personally agree with your approach, not everyone has the stomach for that or the time and if that’s the case it will still be perfectly fine for the Joker to simply be shot in the head.
In reality, Joker would be shot in the head by a random thug. Or even the thugs who work for him. I don't even know how he get thugs to work for him.
Or maybe a cop would go into his cell and kill him
@@cia4843 yeah
Or a family member of one of his millions of victims.
Definitely
Fear
Neither Batman nor Superman should kill the Joker., but yes the Joker should absolutely be killed. Comparing him to both Harvey and the Penguin isn't even fair as both of them have shown the capacity to reform if not the capability (currently) to stay on that road.
Forensic425
Truer words have never been spoken. The guy is an obvious troll.
Superman and Batman obviously have a code of ethics Jason Todd aka red hood would be the one who would put an end to the joker.
@@hoopsonwheels I often wonder if Batman would stay away if he learned Red Hood, Lady Shiva, Deathstroke or someone like that was after the Joker. Would he allow the Joker to be killed by an efficient killer that wouldn't cause collateral damage in the process?
Hell, how would Batman react if Joker got shot dead by some would-be victim with a concealed carry permit?
The U.S. government should have him executed as soon as he’s in a prison or captured lol.
Think he means: if he kills Joker? What's stopping him from killing Penguin, Two-Face (his former friend Harvey Dent), Riddler, Scarecrow, Harley Quinn, or down to even a petty criminal who had to be a criminal just to support his family?
I would say someone should kill the joker, but not batman because he would likely go crazy like he keeps saying he will.
Mats Martensson get the fuck out of the comments
Mats Martensson are you quoting the question or something
Mats Martensson if so i am sorry
You might not be quoting anyone but yourself, but your comments are simply annoying, and make no sense... Reason? You never stick to the subject people talk about. For example, a month ago, one person commented on how Joker should die by Batman's hands. That's where you stuck your nose. You talked about humanity. I believe you wanted to make a fair point, but you sir failed. You made absolutely no point at all. You just talked on how humans have been killing each other 3.4 million years, and how the world can carry on without dodo and T-rex. Please, get back to the subject if making a fair point is your goal. Thanks.
BJ Thomas I like your profile pic. The Isu armor is one of my favorites in Assassin’s Creed history.
Batman: "No matter what you do, I'd never kill you!"
Joker: "I know, batsy. And I'd make sure you'd regret it every time you let me live."
And so these psychos continue their psychological game until Joker gets bored and does Injustice 😁
Comic book writers milking Batman joker dynamic to an extreme
The Joker has killed SO many people. Not killing him is insane.
@Isaac Moring they're not blind they just dumb and the law in DC universe is dumb also
Unfortunately, Batsy makes a very good point which Needlrmouse eloquently reiterates: “Once you start down that path, where and when would it end? WOULD it even end?”
@@shewolfsiren Batman yes, but no one else. Let Jason do it.
Batman shouldn't kill joker, someone else should since if batman killed he will lose control and kill alot of people who could have been redeem
@@shewolfsiren Batman may not have enough control to stop himself from killing those who don't deserve but why should he stop those who do have enough control to only kill those who deserve it why should he stop Jason from killing The Joker.
Whenever Joker is killed he made the person who killed him a supervillain:
Batman who Laughs
Regime Superman
Batman from Titans
Red hood
Ok i agree almost everything but batman from titans is just an illusion
They should keep a distance from jokers toxin
@@blackwizard3264 Red Hood's more of an antihero than a supervillain. He doesn't kill people because he wants to cause chaos. He kills people because he wants to eradicate those who won't fear the Bat and continuously harm society. Pretty much every kill that Jason has done can be justifiable.
Kareem Dawood yeah. We know it’s in the normal universe from the mini series so send him to the dessert in a place where the toxin would spread out to thin to get anybody, set Jason and a sniper a few thousand yards away to keep him safe then we just watch.
It doesn't even have to be Batman who kills him.
Just because Batman doesn't kill doesn't mean he has to save someone either.
Batman Begins
Why won't The police just execute him in an electric chair?
the chosen one In real life it isn’t legal to kill a mentally insane person so because the joker is insane they can’t put him in death row because the law protects him from death
@@elitedeath572 why is it illegal?
the chosen one Because “supposedly”the mentally insane are not aware of their actions because of that people believe they shouldn’t be killed if they have a chance to be rehabilitated and become sane again
I agree with this video 100%. Joker is remorseless, and even gleeful, about his crimes. He takes endless pleasure in every single torture and death he inflicts, and he SHOULDN'T be able to use insanity for every single offense, because - while he can't remember anything about how he became the Joker or before he became the Joker due to his "multiple-choice origin" - he CAN remember, and is always fully aware of, many of his crimes. He remembers and takes a lot of joy in the death of Jason Todd, as well as shooting Barbara and other such misdeeds. He literally says "here's to crime" as Barbara is bleeding on the floor, acknowledging that the act is a crime. He deserves the death penalty - his is EVERYTHING that the death penalty should be used for. But, unfortunately, he always seems to escape NO MATTER WHAT, so I don't think he'll ever wait long enough for court proceedings to get to that point, or for the execution itself.
Darth Knightwing Phoenix given the chance, I'll torture him to death
A.Username technically she didn't get a proper look at the Joker, he knew what she was doing the whole time and played her like a fiddle. She only ever heard what HE wanted her to hear, not what SHE wanted to hear. Besides, the only way she COULD love him is if she believed that, on some deep level, he was stable and/or sane. Although, it IS possible that this is the case, and Joker is just a really extreme nihilist.
A.Username nah. I don't think so. Joker was playing her right from the start
Darthknightwing Phoenix. I would use a magic gun to somehow erase Joker from existence
I have two comments for this thread.
The first, is that I’m surprised nobody’s hired Deadshot to put a cap in the clown’s skull yet. If the only way is a sniper, then Deadshot’s the man you want to talk to, and I’m sure Joker’s pissed off someone who can afford to foot Deadshot’s bill.
The second, is that if Harley’s notes that Joker is in fact faking his insanity were to be released, then the Joker’s next arrest would’ve had him going straight to the injection table. That being the case, he decided that he needed to break Harley and discredit her by making her insane so nobody would believe the notes. I think he saw her becoming as devoted to him as she is as a lucky windfall. It reminds me of a character in one of my favorite book series. He’s a demon who’s been playing the part of the insane fool for over 50000 years so he can work behind the scenes and manipulate events in a way that neither gods or demons notice. The only difference is that Tizzy uses the role to remain unnoticed, while the Joker uses it to remain untouchable.
You know, this brings up an interesting point; why hasn't Joker been sentenced to death? Why hasn't a court of law sentenced him to death?
Of course, the real reason is DC likes keeping such a great character around, but in-universe? How is the Joker not dead yet? I mean, if not Batman or the courts, how has no other crime lord that has been injured by the Joker have him killed?
Of course, the audience would complain if the Joker was killed off, and I suppose I just don't understand US law enough (especially the legal system in the DC universe) to see why the Joker, after all this time, hasn't been deemed a serious threat worthy of the death penalty.
Danuki L in the United States it’s illegal to execute a mentally ill person the joker fits the bill quite well that’s why he’s at an asylum and not a prison.
@@hoopsonwheels That really is fucking stupid, who cares if they are mentally fucked? They are still dangerous murdering psychopaths, best to lock them up in Solitary and make them suffer, or just execute them either one.
Danuki L He was executed once, but because it's comics he came back.
Joker escapes from the afterlife duh. also a superman quote: just doesn't hold water in a world of jet powered apes and time travel.
I love that in the background you just have everyone kill the Joker XD
Actually, I've got an idea.
Someone dressed as Batman should try to kill the Joker, but then reveal who they really are. *(preferably someone he's never gone up against.)*
I've always felt that Batman is in many ways complicit in Joker's crimes, he continues to allow him to live know full well he will only kill again.
Same goes for the law of Gotham, at least give I'm the death penalty.
vader1a joker fits the bill for mentally ill it’s illegal under United States law to execute a mentally ill person
Mats Martensson batman is a super intelligent man even he knows on some level the joker won’t be stopped unless joker dies or the joker manages to kill batman
Alex Arriaga a bill specially created for joker would happen then obviously
Gotham does NOT have the death penalty
@@hoopsonwheels as if death would stop the joker
Here is a question, instead of leaving it in Batman's hands forcing him to do something he doesn't wanna do, or for the most part, the game of, how long can Batman hold out on not killing Joker, how come the Justice System hasn't killed him yet???
I mean the guy has done which I think we can all agree on, a TON of stuff that would send a normal person to the chair 15 times over, and heck doesn't even have to be the chair! I mean when you think about it, they just keep putting a guy in a crazy house that they know for a fact won't change him, and even more so he can get out just about anytime he wants really. Seems to me that Justice needs to step up it's game!
I mean I am not stupid, I know story wise it would be a fast end to a great character...who in the land of comics would show back up a year or so later (lol), but it's one of those things to me that, shouldn't even be force into Batman's hands, heck he does enough just putting some of these over the top crazy in the law's hands so they can stop the crazy killings and stuff, the most the Justice system can do is it's half of the job....then I also know that in the real world there would be some stupid rule or law giving the Joker rights because of the fact it was Batman that stopped him!
Joker always manages to escape either by himself, his henchmen or Harley Quinn
AtlasOne I think you are the dumbass here,how can you rehabilitate joker?After all that years trying to help him,don't you get that he can't be helped?
he's not calling us dumbasses, he's calling the people in the comics dumbasses for thinking they can rehabilitate the joker.
I hated when fans vote for Jason Todd’s death
In America he would be safe from justice. You can't give the death penalty to someone who is mentally ill, which the Joker definitely is.
If he was real, he would get away.
8:13
What the hell Superman gets mind controlled like everyday
Well he actually has the ability to resist mind control but yeah, he gets possesed and mind controlled every thuesday
At least once a week or so. More than anyone else by far.
TheRSFan5000 that’s why Batman says he’s a damm fool
Yes.
Almost all of batman's problems come from the joker.
I know it is not in line with his philosophy but the joker has hurt so many and had so many chances to be good. It is a crime to let him live
Also, why should he get to force his philosophy on others, sure if he doesn’t want to kill The Joker then he won’t but he shouldn’t be getting in the way of others trying to actually do the right thing.
@@theredhood2796 well said, good sir. Well said.
Realistically Yes.
Philosophically No.
It’s a toss.
A pragmatist could disagree, so could a utilitarian and even a virtue ethicist; like Aristotle.
The Joker has shown no signs of rehabilitation, but shown all the evidence necessary to argue for permanent removal of his presence for the safety of society. No one has been able to offer a diagnosis, no one but Harley. in a comic before, she was manipulated into the abusive relationship, she concluded that the Joker was in fact; not mentally ill and should therefore be imprisoned for life or executed.
Even if he is mentally ill, I would still argue that killing him is lesser of two evils. Where leaving him alive is the greatest evil.
Batman cannot kill him due to his trauma, but anyone else could (and should).
@@zenorus3526 , Honestly, Batman should've just left Jason to do his thing.
Both answers are yes nothing good can come form the Joker’s life.
Best choice is to let someone else do it.Someone that the Joker wouldnt like to kill him.
Thats literally the right decision by any perspective
@@theredhood2796 You honor that username
What kind of madman would even consider killing his best friend!?!?
Oh right, me. Hahahahahaha!! But that's me! Not Bats!
Remember Superfreak? Killing me didn't work out well did it?
I read that in mark hamils voice
@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 you forget about the Lazarus pits
Fuck you
@@preposteroustoast yikes
@@redfather5342 same
I’m gonna be honest, Superman killing Shazam is terrifying to me.
It was pretty shocking when I saw that the first time especially when I remember that shazam is a kid
More lie bullshit shazam would fold superman.
@@jamesmcdude2239 read the Injustice comic, it happened my man
@@isaacyeon6334 I know it did but its still bullshit. Shazam is magic and should be able to fold superman like an omelette
@@jamesmcdude2239 I do agree with that tho, Shazam is powered by the literal gods and uses magic
-"Honey you should study"
-"I do"
-"what Do you study?"
-"character study & philosophy"
-"you're watching Joker Videos are ya?"
I LOVE THAT GIRL
Why are we asking if Batman should kill the joker, why don’t we ask why hasn’t the legal system killed the joker? The death penalty is a thing.
Waverton, there is no death penalty in Gotham, so that’s why it’s either Red Hood, Azrael, or Damian Wayne killing The Joker, or The Joker killing billions of lives.
Light Yagami joker nuked a city in injustice, that alone deserves a flow dbg agonizing death
Light Yagami I can’t believe Bruce Also stopped them from doing so
DarthLesbian420 i personally feel that most comics try to paint a line between good an evil, Batman is Good and the joker is evil. So they try to keep it simple and in order to prevent the story from abruptly ending they keep the villains alive unlike how most people wouldn’t in the real world. That joker alone is responsible for the deaths of millions literally he nuked a city and killed Superman’s unborn son and wife (injustice video game) people like that cannot be helped in their society. Then we look at anti heroes like the punisher a man that was a Vietnam war hero that did nothing wrong and fought for his country had his family stripped away from him for no reason other then the mafia simply deciding to kill them. And so he end killing a lot of people HE deems evil most being regular criminals that can be habilitated. I personally feel that’s he’s right to mourn and take revenge because ik damn well I would the same thing in his predicament(having his combat experience ect) but idk it’s all up to how we the readers and viewers feel
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Gotham certainly has the death penalty, Blackgate has a death chamber. Problem is, it’s illegal worldwide to execute criminally insane people, because they aren’t fully in control of themselves.
8:38 I always thought that Shazam would survive that, given his invulnerability and regenerative healing factor. I mean, he's done so before in the comics, for one. And for two, he's basically a god (in that form anyways), so he shouldn't have died anyways. And yet he dies in such a weak way.
He was in his human form
But yes killings Shazam is terrible for Injustice Superman he even killed some of his friends who tried to defend themselves so Injustice Superman went over the line in the beginning
@@thunder45728 he's an adult in the games?
@@Thesnowyman no, he's a child
In the MAIN comics Superman has proven many times(atleast about 30 instances) he can effortlessly destroy the entire JLA if he were to go all out.Its the damn truth
Trust me,he could definetly kill Shazam that easily if he were evil,now if Shazam were older like in Kingdom Come?Different story
For someone that would die to save an innocent without hesitation, he sure lets a lot of them die (knowingly) to justify his morals.
Exactly
Nightwing once beat the Joker to death and what did Bats do........saved the Jokers life. 🤯🤯🤯
Yes, he should kill the Joker.
Every person that Joker has killed is because that Batman don't have the guts to end with a Psychopath like Joker.
Batman could prevent many deaths by killing the Joker, one life go away to protect the life of hundreds.
Moon Door but it wouldn't stop at one. He could NEVER hold back all that rage at the despicable acts he sees from other hopeless cases like Zsasz and Scarecrow if, deep down, he knew that he had killed before.
question, why does it have to be batman? he isn't part of the justice system, but he believe that's where criminals should go. It's the justice system for not putting joker on death row.
All those deaths by Joker are because of Bruce's weakness.
there is a whole justice system that doesn't kill joker, better yet why hasn't there a cop who just shoots the joker, GCP has many crooked cops, yet you are going to tell me none of them are willing to kill the joker themselves. Batman isn't part of the law he has no protection against it, once he kills the joker he is branded a murderer and will be hunted down like one.
Moon Door you have a point... But Batman can't do it. He's anything but stable, and if he were to kill the Joker, even though he of all his enemies deserves it, that's it. It's all downhill from there.
" im not gonna kill you, but i dont have to save you " -batman begins
And yet he saves The Joker all the time.
@@theredhood2796 The thing is he pushed him off a building. If there was a similar situation he wouldn’t have saved him.
Imagine the following idea-
The batman is faced with the worse dillema- kill the joker or let millions die. No third option. He does the deed, and feels nothing new. Killing isn't an infection to your morality, just an act, sometimes a necessary one.
He then continues to be less soft on other criminals he fight. Poof, the penguin got one punch to the head to many, blood vessels in his brain can't hold the force of the punch too well. Another one bites the dust. Oh well, who cares, it was for the better. Then lex Luther gets a batarang a bit too dip in his forehead. And slowly, batman ain't so tight on this killing thing. Even on petty crimes, such as small theft. What? That's how his parents die.
And thus, a new version of injustice is created.
Just a thought
Yeah, there is a long distance to cross between killing murderous and nonredeemable psychopaths that can't be effectively contained and killing petty criminals for stealing a sweetroll. Kinda you know like our law system establish punishment depending on severity of crime not just having a same one for every single criminal?
You’ve never taken a life dude how would you know the effects it has on the human brain?
Your argument could also be said about batman in general. All of the goons he has put in a hospital I bet a lot of them have died. What will he do when he finds out one of jokers henchmen died because he hit his head on the floor when batman threw a batarang at him? Will he start a clearly irrational descent into a murderous authority? Or will he realize that sometimes people die and that doesn't mean killing is acceptable? Keep in mind that we're talking about possibly the smartest guy in the planet. I think the most intelligent person would choose the latter. Of course Superman went crazy with power, he was raised in a farm. Individual people are different, they react to situations differently.
The slippery slope fallacy is an argument that claims an initial event or action will trigger a series of other events and lead to an extreme or undesirable outcome. The slippery slope fallacy anticipates this chain of events without offering any evidence to substantiate the claim.
No,
How else would dc milk him for money
True
he actually died in the first ever batman comic, but he was brought back after he got a ton of positive feedback
That should be the plot for Injustice 3. A Universe where Batman killed.
BlackWingedSeraph basically the same as the first game with batman killing joker and becoming the tyrant.
Ashutosh Prakash Superman killed joker in the first game, not batman. And batman wouldn't automatically become a tyrant just because he killed joker.
So, the batman who laughs?
@@jackgray2419 He said it himself that if he ever began killing criminals, he would never be able to stop.
johannes Schenker I may be wrong but didn’t Joker poison Batman before Batman killed him.
As always, wonderful video NeedleMouse Productions!
I don't think Batman should kill The Joker. However, I DO think Joker should be killed. As for who does the killing, I don't know. Red Hood, perhaps?
@TheBohobemeister do you know what music he used in the background?
Is there any comic storyline that actually plays this scenario out? I know of the Killing Joke's ambiguous ending, but I wanna see the idea of Batman losing it and killing Joker played out so we can see just how far he goes afterward.
The Killing Jokes ending was never meant to be with Batman killing Joker it was Grant Morrison who thought Batman killed Joker at the end it was false though, there are no official stories of Bruce flat out killing Joker on page just possible scenarios, illusions and what not.
KON- EL Someome should make that comic then.
Batman didnt end Joker there he was close but Joker ultimately did the final stroke himself.
Earth 15 I believe. Batman has killed most of the Super villains and has handed over the mantel to Jason. I guess the Joker would be included among the executed, but I'm not entirely sure. Anyway, Earth 15 is said to have been almost perfect and peaceful, but then came Superboy prime....and that was the end of that.
Tissan Young there is one its in the Batman who laughs
Yes.
More realistically; the writers ought to write him so that Batman shouldn't kill him. Either he's incapacitated, cured, escaped, etc. by the end of the story. More importantly, the Joker shouldn't murder thousands of people. He's supposed to be a sinister, wacky crime boss. He can be "crazy" all he wants; but making him a mass murderer... "innocent" or not... just forces Batman's hand. Or would it if he was written competently.
I think he should let someone else do it. He should not have to go against his code but there are probably plenty of people who would like to take the joker out
I remember watching a video by the imaginary axis where he talked about jokers that he is a cartoon character. Because he is super sane, not insane. Even though the people are close enough to being real-life people where their personalties change. Along with many other things
Lobotomy?
Worked out for the Justice Lords
From my knowledge it would've made sense for Batman to kill the joker in the arkham games since in Arkham city Batman says to the joker "Every decision you've ever made ends with death and misery, I catch you, but you just break out and do it again".
Fortunately, Joker killed himself in that universe, putting an end to his reign of terror and Batman doesn't break his rule.
Just shoot him into space let nature take its course
Everyone's talking about how batman should kill joker. But I blame GCPD for it. They need to give him a death sentence or otherwise people will keep dying. Not throw him into some asylum
I don't think GCPD is to blame, more like the Justice Department for not pushing the bureaucracy into making an exception to the execution of crazy people.
@@Samuel152 Exactly
No, he shouldn't. Batman doesn't kill. He even said he wanted to kill him more than anything. But if he lets himself go down into that place....
He'll never come back.
Watch HiTop Films' video on it.
yeah so red hood should do it
Except he kills thousands by not killing one. So it's kind of redundant.
Sorry. But the joker. NEEDS TO DIE. FOR THE LOVE OF THE LUNAR REPUBLIC HE WOULD'VE BEEN IN A DOZEN DEATH SENTENCES
@@titanhades4331 yeah. Jokers blood is on batmans hands. If sans were there batman and joker would have equal amount of karamatic retribution. Because joker has more exp and kills. But batman lets him keep killing
I've always considered it a weak excuse on batman part, unless batman isn't well in the head himself. There is a clear line to draw at killing someone (self-defense etc) and simply not drawing the line (killing everyone or not killing anyone). Joker is pretty much among the worst criminals (human-tier, not counting planet destroying entities) there are, drawing the line on being like joker would mean killing very few people that are equal or worse than joker. In addition to that joker in many depictions (if not all, not sure about it) is pretty much irredeemable and can't be contained (temporarily at best) making other more humane approaches completely ineffective and inevitably leading to more deaths and destruction caused by joker.
There is a difference though between the jokers and two face and penguin.
Two face was one of batmans old friends and is just a case of Extreme biopolar so batman could believe he can be saved.
The pengiun is the only villian of batmans who's not crazy and so he could think that in the right technique he could be saved.
You try to top your Batman intros every time! 😆
If I was a criminal and Batman came after me I would just stand at the edge of a roof
How to Batman prof your criminal activities.
Well...every villian killed someone in Gotham. Gangs, mobs. And guys if you're going to become a superhero, it's your own fault that something happens to you or your family. Being a villian is so much safer.
The whole Red Hood thing where he says he'd never come back, from my personal aspect, I don't necessarily think that means he will keep killing criminals if he kills the Joker. Hell, I think he'll even just stop at the Joker.
I think that since he likes to separate himself from criminals, he believes that criminals are the ones that kill, so if he ever crosses that line, he will just see himself as a criminal.
And, while he never ACTUALLY said this quote, people always tend to mention it, and this one goes along with what I mean: "If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world remains the same."
I mean ether way Batman is still wrong
And the kill a killer quote makes no sense to me sure the killers stay the same but the murders go down and if you kill enough the amount of killers will actually plummet.
Yet Batman created the elaborate contingency plans to his friends, who are literally superheroes.
That quote makes no sense.
@@theredhood2796 "If you kill 'A' killer (as in ONE), the number of killers in the world remains the same."
The Joker should have been murder-killed a long time ago, if not by Batman than the damn Gotham PD or the judicial system. I personally think that Batman never kills his enemies is not because of some code of ethics (though he may actually believe this) but because he needs them to make himself relevant, he wants Gotham to need him and without his enemies to constantly thwart Gotham would no longer need him and if this came to pass he would go insane. In my opinion, he is as bat-shit crazy as the rest of the inmates at Arkham (yes, the pun was intended).
Although I don't think batman should kill joker
I don't think he should save him if he is going to die
That would still mean he would technically kill the Joker,as it is his responsibility to save him.
@@LilWeeWeeGamin69 Batman already has an above 1000 body count
Logically:Yes
Morally: No
For family: Yes.
Morally, yes. He knows full well that Joker is incapable of reform and WILL continue to murder with aplomb. By letting him live in spite of this knowledge, Batman is complicit in every death Joker causes.
Give him a indigo ring as this would make him feel compassion. You could then send him to the indigo lantern home world.
1:15 Damn the blow back on that revolver is insane
I’d absolute love it that if in one comic, they have some nobody kill the Joker at trial or something after it is decided he is going back to Arkham. How many thousands of families has he ruined. How many lives has he destroyed. Your telling me that there wasn’t a single person who decided that Joker’s continued existence is beyond wrong and decided to take his life for the sake of revenge/the past victims/prevention of more victims? I’d be a sight to see and I would be amazing.
You know what the definition of insanity is? Batman letting the Joker live.
Prove me wrong.
Agreed.
Agreed
If Batman killed the Joker then he’d be exactly what he’s fighting. He’d just be the same as the the man who killed his parents. You can say that he would prevent the joker from killing more, but he doesn’t have the right to decide who lives and who dies, that’s not his job. That’s for the law to decide, hence why he takes his enemies to their perspective prisons upon capture. He isn’t the law. Here’s a few examples of what happens when someone kills the joker:
Exhibit A: the batman who laughs, this version of batman killed the joker, and you know what he did after? Wiped out the entire population of his earth and many others across the multiverse. He stopped the joker from killing, and ended up killing well over a 1000x more people than the joker ever did himself.
Exhibit B: Batman in Titans, during the illusion created by trigon in Dick Grayson’s head, he killed the joker, then killed the rest of his enemies like two face and the riddler, then started killing innocent people including his friends, police, nurses, etc.
Exhibit C: Superman in Injustice, kills the joker after he tricked him into killing his pregnant wife, which leads to him enslaving the planet, killing any criminal he could get his hands on including petty thieves and the likes, kills his own friends just for even harbouring the thought that he had gone too far.
There’s a few examples, and there are plenty more if you want them.
@@Delete240 What kind of kindergarden level morality do you operate on? Joker is a mass-murdering psychopath with enough crimes on his rap sheet to receive consecutive death sentences; Joe Chill is just a random street thug. The two of them don't even remotely compare. That's like saying "If you kill Pol Pot, then you're no better than Jeffrey Dahmer". How does that make any sense in your head? By your own logic, when a cop shoots an armed criminal, he's no better than the criminal. No, that's not at all true. Also, will you people stop with the whole "if you kill him then you're no better than him" argument? That crap has lost its relevance by the time it's been established that Batman can only sustain his moral high ground by letting the Joker live so he can go on killing more people, which effectively renders Batman's moral high ground worthless. He cares more about his principles than about the suffering of others. The difference between a good person and an evil person is that a good person genuinely cares about the consequences of their actions as well as the suffering of others; evil people don't care who they hurt because they actively enjoy causing suffering to others. Killing a bad person to save others does not, under any moral standard, make you as bad as them.
Also, really? It's not Batman's place to decide who lives and who dies and he should let the law decide? Hello? Earth to Kian Hall! Batman is a vigilante. Do you know what that is? It's someone who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority. As a vigilante, Batman is unaccountable to the law. He has no reason to respect Gotham's laws because he's not a cop or a detective or a sanctioned operative. Speaking of which, are we actually talking about Gotham's notoriously corrupt and criminally negligent penal system? Are we talking about Arkham Asylum, a place that is outright notorious for its sheer inability to contain its detainees? You want Batman to leave criminals in the hands of such a corrupt system? Yeah, sure, look how well that's working out. Does the term "sisyphean task" mean anything to you?
Also, are we actually gonna weigh the pros and cons of killing Joker on account of a bunch of stories that are so utterly contrived that they might as well have been specifically written to give Joker a reason to exist?
Speaking of which, you do realize that when Superman killed Joker, he had already lost his wife, his unborn child and his entire city to that maniac? It wasn't the act of killing Joker that broke Superman -- it was the fact that Joker broke him in such a way that there's no way anyone could walk away from a tragedy like that with their sanity intact. Seriously, what would you have done in his stead? Never mind the fact that in the Injustice comic it was very blatant that if anyone had actually reached out to Superman and tried to help him by appealing to his better nature, he would've never become a ruthless tyrant. Instead, he had to endure 5 years of being egged on by virtually everyone, including his so-called friends whose opposition drove him to more and more extreme measures. Superman didn't just have "one bad day" -- he had several bad years that made him into the monster he eventually became.
I swear, you people will come up with the dumbest excuses to justify Batman's lawful stupid behavior.
Insanity is nearly killing Jason with a batarang to the neck to prevent him from killing the Joker.
That moment is enough for post crisis Batman to deserve a lot of bad shit,New 52/Rebirth is a bit more sensible though could still use an asskicking
We have already seen what happens if batman starts killing people its called batman vs superman, a batman that kills people will never come back and will became what he has been fighting agents hell the entire plot of injustice is about what would happens if superheros start killing villeins he's batman not the punisher...but maybe you guys liked the batman in bvs
I think when you said Injustice, that was one of the best examples! Heck Joker was Superman's first kill, which didn't stop him after that, heck the comics go even more so into how far Superman fell
Batman killed people in the Tim Burton movie universe, and in The Dark Knight trilogy. Why is BvS Batman so offensive? Is it because he's the only one who's not a hypocrite?
Andy Howard and that makes it OK?
More so okay than the other ones. Batman's legit bookoo-kookoo (crazier than the Joker) if he thinks he's keeping his "one rule", yet so obviously murders people every time he goes on patrol.
Batfleck is the most sane one; he doesn't have a "one rule", he realized (presumably after Robin's death) that it doesn't work and faces the reality of the deaths he's caused. He doesn't necessarily go out of his way to kill people, but he has no problem with it should it be the best/most convenient course of action.
Logically, Batman thinks it's okay to kill KGBeast in order to save Martha Kent. I've got no problems with that. Him killing people doesn't send him over the edge, it just makes him far more effective.
"Heroes killing their villains" isn't what causes Injustice. That is what Marvel heroes do all the time, and no one's suffering from it. Injustice happens when a hero purposefully lets his villain go too far. In other words, Batman's refusal to kill the Joker, which allows him to nuke Metropolis and kill Lois, is what caused Injustice, _not_ Superman killing the Joker.
Hollow Man it pissed me off so much how Zack Snyder decided for Batman to kill blowing thugs up left and right, because it goes against Batmans character and his virtues unlike in Batman the animated series. I understand Superman making a quick decision to remorsefully kill Zod but Batman just nonchalantly killing criminals in BvS left a bad taste in my mouth and they had Batman kill just so Snyder could have a dark and serious movie which im fine with dark and serious but not changing what makes a character that character! I can put up with Batmans brutality like in the Arkham games but not crossing the line to kill which I think takes such discipline and self control. But what about this!? Batman takes Joker as his prisoner liker Rick did with Negan in Walking Dead, Batman would feed him but cut off his arms and legs, blindfold and put headphones on Joker so he doesnt know where he is. Its inhumane but... LOOPHOLE!
"Nobody should be judge, jury and executioner"
Shouldn't be that hard to find people for all three roles.
Its funny how in the bacgound you put Special moves of nearly every character in Injustice.
Well it should be as simple as the joker is with for everything he has done and shot several times in the head by the nearest person with a gun.
He can’t kill him because the joker will have what he wants bringing batman down to his level
But whoever said anything about severe life hospitalisation?
The notion that batman killing the Joker makes him like hin is flawed.
should batman kill joker ?
Batman : No I don’t thank I will
DC : STONKS
The most iconic death is the best death it’s quite obvious what death it is
Before I even watch the video, my answer is yes.
Same
That’s the answer of any reasonable person who’s aware of most of The Joker’s crimes.
Even if someone kills the Joker he'll be back. He ALWAYS comes back.
That’s why you immediately burn his corpse after killing him.
@@theredhood2796 But there would always be another one.
William Afton: hold my animatronics
Murder isn't justice and Batman's whole agenda revolves around justice so he shouldn't kill the joker what he should do since he's a genius is create a serum that will paralyze the Joker from neck down then problem solved and he didn't even need to become a crazy ass murderer
I am surprised Joker wasn't given the death sentence yet.
Nathan Case that’s not even possible since the joker is mentally ill. It’s illegal in the United States to execute a mentally ill person. That’s why he goes to Arkham asylum and not say blackgate prison
@@hoopsonwheels that defense only works if the crime was caused by mental illness and the criminal had no control over their actions (ex: multiple personality disorder) Joker does not fit this description.
No, because it’s not a good marketing move.
Take the Punisher. He’s not as well received as Batman despite being a vigilante too. His villains always die so there’s no further character development.
But, at least the Punisher’s villains don’t keep escaping from prison, and murdering more people.
Robot Chicken did a skit where Batman pressured the judge to give Joker the death penalty.
I clicked on this video just to say "yes,duh!".
The problem with killing the Joker goes back to the Injustice argument. Once you kill one person, it becomes easier to justify. Even though the comics had a lot of filler, that core message was one of the best parts of the series.
Maybe it shouldn't be Batman himself that kills him. Especially if we're dealing with the Batman Who Laughs universe.
Just get a sniper rifle even if he tries using that it’s not like the gas will get to him.
@@theredhood2796 good point.
I actually have a better idea: Stop putting him in Arkham, those walls are made of aluminum foil.
Okay this comment is a reference to spiderman ps4. The death of joker would possibly create a vacuum of power which might lead to a villain that is just as bad or somehow worse than the joker.
yes... he should just do it but nooo
+Mats Martensson (matt_shade) ok whatever you say....lol
And this why I'll never understand why everyone thinks DC is darker
Reece Burns because the comics have both awesome action and terrible deaths just read any comic or watch comicstorian search up dark metal for instance
@@prettymint2762 marvel comics have dark moments the punishers family being killed or Spidermans uncle being killed after he decided not to stop a thief or old man Logan those were some pretty dark moments
But I was skeptical of red dead redemption 2 and I fucking loved that game in the end
Yes. How is this even a question?
Spin-off comic, the title:
Joker's trial.
Non canon batman story, canon elements are used for evidence.
Joker: the accused.
Barbara: the accuser.
batman: the judge.
Azrael, the G.C.P.D, tim drake the Justice League: the jure
Red hood : executioner.
Joker exploded a nuclear bomb into metropolis, killed pregnant Louis lane and still batman wants to keep joker in prison. Injustice batman is pathetic
How about joker gets the death sentence? It makes sense and it wasn't batman who killed him.
Just do that.
It’s illegal in most countries to execute someone who is criminally insane.
@@Delete240 Except he isnt insane...the things he does are very well calculated.
@@newhybrid101 you can theorise and speculate all you like, but that’s only a theory. The writers and the creators say he’s insane, so that’s what he is. Also, you can be insane and still be calculated.
For me a robin should kill the joker. I will be glad if batman kills him but that would be his breaking point and would loose his mind completely if he kills the joker
Mats Martensson tf is you talking about
Mats Martensson wtf you talking about though all I said is they should no other way I could put it since a robin hasn't killed the joker. I just answered what he asked on who should get the right to kill the joker
Keaton 125 don't feed the troll
You're right about that one.
Keaton 125 there's a name for what he espouses: nihilism. Joker is theorized to be a nihilist as well, albeit the most extreme kind of nihilist.
good video
Yes but not by him, he should be someone who can like lobo, red hood or another antihero.
We all know that Batman’s biggest mistake was making the Joker who he is, so why can’t he just finish what he started?
Because that proves the joker right
Should Batman kill the joker?
You: Well.......
Me: Yes.
I don't think Batman should kill the Joker nor anyone for that matter. The Joker is just too "broken" of a character that he causes a dilemma to Batman and others. Joker doesn't believe in the idea that he "can be saved" or if there's anything of him to be saved. He wants to push Batman and frankly anyone over their limit. When that happens, he wins even at the cost of his life. As what we seen in games like Arkham Knight or when he skinned his face to send to Batman, the "idea" of the Joker and the victory he gains with forcing a situation of killing him preserves "him" even after death.
In Injutsice, Superman's actions of killing the Joker was the Joker's everlasting victory on the world as he made one of the most respected heroes that were a beacon of light go to the point of no return.
YES, HE MUST!!!!! JOKER MUST DIE FOR ALL THE DEATHS HE CAUSED
@Mats Martensson Stop copying and pasting you're comments
@Mats Martensson XD
@Mats Martensson are you a troll
@@earthwormsally3059 earth worm sally carrying disseases from florida to cali
I’m okay with people killing penguin but two face is a sad case where I don’t think he should be killled
Its Like Telling A Kid There Adopted
First Comment so happy to watch yhid
The sad fact is that he lives in the world of comic books. Even if someone actually managed to kill him, he would simply come back via deus ex machina or because he's a popular character.
Ever since the bat who laughs made his debut, I'm very much worried that who gets affected would just be taking the Jokers place.
It’s called using a sniper rifle to avoid it.
Killing in Self-Defense
RWBY
In RWBY, at the penultimate finale of Volume 6, Blake and Yang kill Adam by impaling him through with the fractured shards of Gambol Shroud. Adam had previously vowed to destroy everyone and everything Blake loved as retaliation for "ruining his life", inflicted grave wounds on both her and Yang, and had stalked Blake across a continent to interfere with her: it's very clear he would never have stopped hunting the girls as long as he was alive, so their killing him is not presented in any unheroic way.
Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack: In season 5, Jack is at first horrified that one of the Daughter of Aku he killed was human like he, not a machine as he had previously thought. But after recovering with the help of a wolf, he stands his ground and kills off almost all the Daughter of Aku when they strike again.
I've known these characters my whole life, and I've debated the same questions, I've seen movies like, Under the red hood, Suicide Squad, assault on Arkham, Dark Knight trilogy, I've played games like the Arkham series, and Injustice, but does The Joker even understand what he's done? That's the only question I dont have an answer for...
He does, he just doesn't care.
I think would be irony of ironies if Bruce Wayne hired Deathstroke the Terminator to terminate the Joker
You know we always have these big moral/philosophical debates over this but it’d never be such a big thing if Arkham didn’t suck ass at stopping or preventing breakouts
If he had just a bit more teamwork gl could get in contact with the indago tribe which will definitely work with joker
So basically he'd turn into a better version of the punisher.
Thought I’d clarify but that is not from “The Lego Batman Movie Video Game” it’s actually from A lego Dimensions story pack but I’d see why you’d probably get it confused 5:00
The question should not be "should Batman kill the Joker", Batman does not kill, he will never do that, the question is why Batman don't let others to do this job, Bruce literally slit Jason’s throat to save Joker in the under the red hood comic, but why?
Don't you dare kill my baby😦
Batman should just call up Jason or Ra’s Al Goul or even maybe Lex Luthor and be like”hey dude can you like kill the joker for me thanks a lot I could use the help bye” and they would probably be happy to.
18:00 yes in Injustice he did that. but their are also other comic runs, where he did kill and didn't go kill crazy.
I find it odd that Robot Chicken coved this question with batman suggesting the death sentence in the jokers trile in cort