I found it most interesting when you said the presales are through the roof. I think that kind of points out that SOME of the online folks we all all subscribe to are looking for a "wow" factor, where maybe the regular bread and butter types just want something that makes their job go better. You know what I mean? I'm a hobbyist. I've got 2 bodies: the Fujifilm x-T5 and the Sony A7iii, The X-T5 feels SO fun and magical and fiddly. You can fetishize it. The A7iii is boring. It just works. BUT, if I asked a pro, they'd push me off the roof because autofocus, because full frame, blah blah. I'm more like a camera fetishist, such as it were. I'm cosplaying being a photographer, if I wanted to be flippant. But the REAL people who need this thing, I'm sure they'll love what it does. It points to there being a few different markets. Loved the video and loved the discussion, Kyle.
I am saying the same about Sony bodies, they give you everything you want, but they are not... I have no word for this. I can't say "they don't motivate to go out" or "fun"... but like, you have all, but there is no... soul? Maybe this word could fit. I shoot A7-IV, and I am very impressed of how clean these photos can be on 12.800, not like every of them but only the sharp ones, but what would change if I got A1-2? Nothing. Literally nothing. I wouldn't go out since that day EVERYDAY out for shooting session. I'd have better IBIS, pre-capture, more megapixels than now, better video, better evf, screen, blah blah.. but I would really enjoy it like every kid on Christmas who unpackage the present...? Like everybody else in the same situation. We don't rationalize our purchases. We should always ask ourself, IF WE INVEST in this or that, will it change drasticaly our motivation or succes in this or that? Do we have a proper LENSES before we go this or that camera? What do we really want from our photography? What field we go into, because we can't shoot 50 areas of photography, from weddings to sport professionaly. It's not in the same league. There is a lot of aspect, and you have to ask always yourself: - what you miss, - what you need, - for how many years you are investing this money - what if this or that will happen in next years - do we have a lens we NEED to our field etc. people are so crazy about fullframe lobby, they forget there are other cameras and lens choices. And if you don't monetize your work, or really won't go for it professionaly, you should even think about these cameras, for real.
@@pentagramyt417 - that's pretty much where I am in my "journey," at present. I have an APS-C (Fuji) and I have a FF (Sony) and I prefer taking the Fuji out. The knobs and dials. But I'm not a pro. So, now that I know that, I just appreciate Kyle and his POV and I don't worry about what I should buy or not. ;)
I actually said the same thing about opengate. It is crazy that it isn't available in the A1mk2. Sony should have just released an A1C, and then released a Global Shutter A1mk2.
By A1c, Do you mean an a1 in an a7c style body? If so, I anticipate that may not have good reception. The a7c cameras are awesome, don’t get me wrong, but I thing those ergonomics would make the a1 consumer pretty unhappy. And probably would probably overheat
The issue is not a "seemingly" disappointing upgrade of a camera that was already top notch in its first version. The issue is overall pricing which is 7499 Euro here in Europe. This is insane for acamera that is no longer in a class of its one. The two direct competitiors out there offer cameras with 85-90% of the features the a1 ii offers, for almost half the price. That should be plenty enough for most people. Good for us but not good for me having been a Sony a1 user who will now change camp.
@@kylemeshna Good point ... In the end you have to balance overall cons and pros. I will stay with Sony in parts because I also own the superb 300/2.8 GM but hope they come with an a7 V in the future that is not restricted to 10fps like they did in the past :)
A1-2 ---> could be EXCELLENT, maybe even best investment for next years, if you UPGRADE from like anything below A1 and A9III. A1-2 ---> may be good, if you want an upgrade from A1, only for some features, but is it worth it? consider selling your own A1 for 60% of market price because it's used product, and add another 40% of the costs to A1-2... meh. Nope. At least that's my personal opinion.
Definitely see where you're coming from. In my opinion, if you can sell an A1 for ~$4000-$4500, then the upgrades are worth it. Having owned an A1 for 3 years, that means I'll spent ~$2000 for using it almost every day during that time. The work its done for me has more than made up for that investment, so I'll gladly invest another $2000 for another 3 years.
I found it most interesting when you said the presales are through the roof. I think that kind of points out that SOME of the online folks we all all subscribe to are looking for a "wow" factor, where maybe the regular bread and butter types just want something that makes their job go better.
You know what I mean? I'm a hobbyist. I've got 2 bodies: the Fujifilm x-T5 and the Sony A7iii, The X-T5 feels SO fun and magical and fiddly. You can fetishize it. The A7iii is boring. It just works. BUT, if I asked a pro, they'd push me off the roof because autofocus, because full frame, blah blah.
I'm more like a camera fetishist, such as it were. I'm cosplaying being a photographer, if I wanted to be flippant. But the REAL people who need this thing, I'm sure they'll love what it does. It points to there being a few different markets. Loved the video and loved the discussion, Kyle.
I am saying the same about Sony bodies, they give you everything you want, but they are not... I have no word for this. I can't say "they don't motivate to go out" or "fun"... but like, you have all, but there is no... soul? Maybe this word could fit. I shoot A7-IV, and I am very impressed of how clean these photos can be on 12.800, not like every of them but only the sharp ones, but what would change if I got A1-2? Nothing. Literally nothing. I wouldn't go out since that day EVERYDAY out for shooting session. I'd have better IBIS, pre-capture, more megapixels than now, better video, better evf, screen, blah blah.. but I would really enjoy it like every kid on Christmas who unpackage the present...? Like everybody else in the same situation. We don't rationalize our purchases.
We should always ask ourself, IF WE INVEST in this or that, will it change drasticaly our motivation or succes in this or that? Do we have a proper LENSES before we go this or that camera? What do we really want from our photography? What field we go into, because we can't shoot 50 areas of photography, from weddings to sport professionaly. It's not in the same league. There is a lot of aspect, and you have to ask always yourself:
- what you miss,
- what you need,
- for how many years you are investing this money
- what if this or that will happen in next years
- do we have a lens we NEED to our field
etc.
people are so crazy about fullframe lobby, they forget there are other cameras and lens choices. And if you don't monetize your work, or really won't go for it professionaly, you should even think about these cameras, for real.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Chris!
@@pentagramyt417 - that's pretty much where I am in my "journey," at present. I have an APS-C (Fuji) and I have a FF (Sony) and I prefer taking the Fuji out. The knobs and dials. But I'm not a pro. So, now that I know that, I just appreciate Kyle and his POV and I don't worry about what I should buy or not. ;)
I actually said the same thing about opengate. It is crazy that it isn't available in the A1mk2. Sony should have just released an A1C, and then released a Global Shutter A1mk2.
By A1c, Do you mean an a1 in an a7c style body? If so, I anticipate that may not have good reception. The a7c cameras are awesome, don’t get me wrong, but I thing those ergonomics would make the a1 consumer pretty unhappy. And probably would probably overheat
The issue is not a "seemingly" disappointing upgrade of a camera that was already top notch in its first version. The issue is overall pricing which is 7499 Euro here in Europe. This is insane for acamera that is no longer in a class of its one. The two direct competitiors out there offer cameras with 85-90% of the features the a1 ii offers, for almost half the price. That should be plenty enough for most people. Good for us but not good for me having been a Sony a1 user who will now change camp.
How do you factor in the switching costs of changing to a new system?
@@kylemeshna Good point ... In the end you have to balance overall cons and pros. I will stay with Sony in parts because I also own the superb 300/2.8 GM but hope they come with an a7 V in the future that is not restricted to 10fps like they did in the past :)
I want that screen so bad but I'm shooting Canon
That’s why I don’t like Sony camera, they can just update the A1 to do most of A1ii new function but they just don’t.
A1-2 ---> could be EXCELLENT, maybe even best investment for next years, if you UPGRADE from like anything below A1 and A9III.
A1-2 ---> may be good, if you want an upgrade from A1, only for some features, but is it worth it? consider selling your own A1 for 60% of market price because it's used product, and add another 40% of the costs to A1-2... meh. Nope. At least that's my personal opinion.
Definitely see where you're coming from.
In my opinion, if you can sell an A1 for ~$4000-$4500, then the upgrades are worth it. Having owned an A1 for 3 years, that means I'll spent ~$2000 for using it almost every day during that time. The work its done for me has more than made up for that investment, so I'll gladly invest another $2000 for another 3 years.
@@kylemeshna I agree with you as same as with my own opinion, I am very open minded.
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I shoulda asked you for those clips for the anamorphic section of the vid 😂 Knew you were a bit busy this weekend though