I know, I've seen a bunch of KISS docs in the last couple of years, most notably Larger than Life by "Almost Human", but I'm really enjoying myself with this.
Got it when it came out. Absolutely loved it. Didn't expect it, but enjoyed it for what it was. That was around the time that Fantasy was getting huge---Excalibur, Conan, etc, plus Dungeons and Dragons was hitting big. This was Kiss's soundtrack to a fantasy movie (that never materialized), and I was stoked that Kiss was jumping into the genre. I understand the backlash (then and now) but none of that mattered to me. I still enjoy giving it a spin.
For me, The Elder is the best album of Kiss. My favorite tracs are Just a boy, Under a Rose and Only You. This is the album were the voice of Gene and Paul is at this best.
Weren`t they supposed to make Creatures of The Night and changed their mind because of Gene`s retarded idea of a concept album for a stupid manuscript?
It's always been one of my favorites. In an alternate reality, it was a huge hit and Kiss became a sort of pop rock, alternative, rock band. I would have been okay with that, actually. Woulda been better than Crazy Nights, at least.
At age 12 the Elder was just mind blowing..... The Oath was heavy and aggressive.... compared to Unmasked The Elder had some serious music on it... it will remain an enigma in Kisstory and a treasure.
The Elder was aa very bold move. I liked it then, and I still do. It's seriously weird at times, but the band really lets loose, and it has many fine songs on it.
Hot dang! Loved it. A pop culture 23-car pileup. I feel so fortunate to have been born into the era of Ace Frehley, Andy Gibb, Rick James, and Cheech & Chong. Thanks. ♠️
I always liked Ace, but why does he always pretend to be from the streets? He was not from the streets, he had the most upper class up bringing of all the original members! Ace's father was an Electrical Engineer who worked for NASA and his mother drove around in a huge Cadillac with she drove Ace to his KISS audition in. Do you really think Ace's father would have his family living in the shittiest part of the Bronx New York, that Cadillac would be stripped and picked cleaned if Ace's story is true! Also, Ace was the only member to own a Marshal stack, which he brought to his KISS audition, not sure how he fitted in his mother's Cadillac though.
I always wondered why Paul doesn`t like Unmasked. It`s a great pop rock album. It`s the album that made them huge in Europe. It was a great success in both Europe and Australia. Sales can`t judge the quality of an album, but European fans have always loved Unmasked and is often in Top 3 favorite albums by fans above 50. Which, to be honest, is the majority of KISS`s fan base.
I do, too, but I was disappointed at first and either sold it or...whatever....I was stoned back then, it's mostly a blank. Anyway, it was 1986 when I suddenly thought of the record and wanted to go off to the used record shops to get another copy. I didn't realize it was out of print and that the only copy I could find before the CD reissue was a 75 dollar picture disc that skipped like a motherfucker.
I loved the Elder. Did anyone notice Ace doing a little jiggy number at 16.58 with the guy beside him, then seemingly took interest in the guy's coat pocket and took something out of it? Struck me as funny.
I can’t emphasize enough just how amazing these videos are - your edits have literally relieved me from so much stress - due to midterms. Anyways, every time Ace’s avatar starts talking I just can’t stop laughing 😂.. especially the Mary Jane part 😅.
If KISS had pushed the concept of the album was the story of the search for Eric as a new member of the band I think some fans would have loved that. I feel Gene & Paul’s experiences at the time (the loss of Peter, Ace’s drugs/drinking and not showing up, etc) color their impression of the album. As a fan from the time I loved the album. The rock songs were fantastic and the storytelling of the overall record was kinda cool. I definitely like the song layout as we now know it should have been but also see how starting a number of the more theatrical or opera like songs.
I disagree. I think they pissed around too much and alienated their fan base all the way back to the solo records. While I like the Elder, they needed to get back to a tough rock record long before they did.
By this point in my life, I became heavily into ACDC, Rush, Black Sabbath and newer bands from the new wave of heavy metal. The Elder was a big dissenter to my ears. If Kiss thought the Elder would appeal to the 13 - 19 year old demographic, they found out the hard way.
Ace and Pater never drink the cool aid. Paul spends all his time putting down everyone who ever did anything for kiss. By his own admittance he is so sensitive. Ace and Peter did become a problem towards the end of the 70's because of drugs and alcohol but give them there dam due! Pete in those early albums has some really great songs. Btw they still are playing most of those songs today!!!!
Peter and Ace were the real heart and soul of the original lineup period!!!! Paul and Gene auditioned 40 drummers and guitarists and look who won the jobs!!! If it wasn't for Peter and Ace, Paul and Gene would still be living in a scumbag apartment playing with Wicked fuckin Lester!!! Team Peter and Ace
Peter and Ace were amazing and at the end of the 70's, they were miserable and like Peter said just cashed out!!! He is honest in his book even and doesn't blame anyone else but himself!!! That's the difference between Catman and Ace and Paul and Gene, they admit to their faults, and Paul and Gene never let it go!!! Peter was clean and sober before the reunion tour and Paul and Gene still found reasons to bash him and Ace!!! Disgusting
Wouldn't it be funny if all this bashing was scripted. They are all still really good friends? I mean stop with the put downs, fellas.@@kevinchandler179
Paul n Gene were so out of touch with reality.. It's too bad they never 'experimented' with drugs.. or at least, drank some whiskey. Sometimes it helps
I remember the drill, new KISS record, staring at the album all the way home till I could get it on the turntable, reading the songs on the back, wondering what each title would sound like? That smell of opening the album, the anticipation of dropping the needle and waiting to hear what was about to hit you……fanfare ….uh ok…Just a boy….uh ok …The Oath ….here we go!!! needless to say I was completely not expecting what I heard, as much as I tried to push the record amongst my friends, they weren’t interested, AC/DC, Judas Priests, Def Leopard, was what they were now listening to, I have grown to appreciate the record as time went on, but it was a very strange time to be a fan
I actually love "The Elder" and "Unmasked"..But I do love their heavier music better like "Creatures Of The Night" and "Destroyer". I love the latest two albums too. I actually love all KISS' albums. Great job on the videos.
Ace might've been high as hell, but even he knew The Elder was a crap record. 😂 Unfortunately they chose not to listen to him, because they figured what does he know... hes high as hell 🤦😂🤣
If Bob Ezrin was so bombed out of his mind that he said Eric Carr couldn't cut it on drums they should have known how rotten that record would turn out
This is a unique KISS album, no doubt. I like it.....not all of it, but do we really need to? You gonna tell me you like ALL of Unmasked or ALL of Crazy Nights. The Oath is bad ass, don't care what anyone says. That shit can pass for early metal. Ace's stuff on this album has some redeeming qualities. I knew when this episode came out we'd get both ends of love and hate and everywhere in between, lol. Fuck it, can't we just say it isn't their best but has some good in it?
Hi,yo siendo un Kiss maníaco mexicano de 13 años y tener a Kiss en vivo en la tv 📺 por una semana,fué increíble.incluso dejé de ir a la escuela 😊. Inolvidable The Elder 🎉
Hola, me alegra mucho saber que has descubierto KISS, ¡pero aún así deberías ir a la escuela! A mí también me encanta THE ELDER, así que el vídeo estuvo muy cerca de mi corazón. Saludos desde la fría Alemania a México ;)
Nobody put up any front that they were anything but positive for THE ELDER album when it came out. I remember them, and the press, seeming all for it...I was around then...I remember it. But for guys like me, the not-really-a-Kiss-fan-yet, if Kiss didn't "look" right in the make-up singing "I Was Made For Loving You," then how is a concept album gonna figure in to everything? It was a lot to swallow, and ultimately, it was laughed off. Even from major Kiss diehards. Even Kiss put it behind them rather quickly and stopped talking about it. Listening to it now, it didn't work because Kiss isn't The Moody Blues, or something like that. It was a good enough record, but Kiss needed to rock more. Anywho...these videos keep getting better and better!
I was around back than was well and I loved it, no matter what the Die-Hards said. I loved KISS taking the Risk to expand their Horizon as Artists... but the Storyline and Look was a Joke in my Opinion. Obviously it was a major failure financial and they lost Ace.
@@kissdiaries I'd have loved it if they did something like Days of Future Passed, but call it Daze of Future KISS - Paul's vocal histrionics on Nights of KISS Satin and have Ace deliver the "breathe deep" soliloquy.
@@kissdiaries - I'm glad that Ace made his way out. I know it was a great hit on Kiss, but Ace's solo work has been really fine music. Kiss, as a legacy rock band, had to find their way. And they did...eventually.
The Elder found it's own place after the turn of the century. It really isn't a bad rock and roll album once one gets past the departure from KISS's traditional rock and roll ways.
There’s no way Eric ever played Metallica for the other members of KISS in 1979-1981 during the recording of The Elder, when Metallica hadn’t even recorded and released anything until 1982. Also, Eric was in a disco band before he tried out for KISS. No way was he listening to nascent thrash metal when he said himself he didn’t even own any KISS records and was only casually aware of them.
I feel like I can find something good about any bad album I listen to, but with the elder, it felt like the second something was going well, it just takes such a turn lol. It just takes itself way too seriously, but I can listen to it. I think it has good moments that could’ve worked with better direction.
I really think KISS should have went straight to making Creatures than making The Elder. Eric deserved a better debut album and I think Creatures would have done better if it was released earlier rather than The Elder.
They were crazy not to tour for the Elder... of course they wanted some extravagant stage to go along with it but this time it was more about the music and less about the bombs explosions and Fire! All they had to do is make a stage based on a castle look like what Ozzy did on speak of the Devil or the diary of the madman tour! Instead of doing some short show like they normally do go out and do the full Elder album in one set and then come out and do a second set of 10 to 12 songs of classics. I mean compared to some other bands Kiss shows were not that long around an hour and 15 to 20 minutes at the most when a lot of bands were going over 2 hours. They could have gotten it done especially with Eric Carr on the drums! I don't know how reliable Ace would have been to do a show like that every night: at that point in his career! Hell, why not they shouldn't have given up on it. They bailed way too easy on that project.
The Elder needs to be listened to from the proper beginning to end (the re-release). I didn't like it in the beginning, but midway it got better and I liked the ending ("I" and "The Oath" are awesome).
The Elder is what happens when Kiss starts chasing Pink Floyd, goes prog rock and completely jumps the shark. One embarrassment after the next. Every once in a while I put it on, going, it’s probably not that bad…. It’s worse.
Ace is rock and roll. Paul plays out what he thinks his ideal of a rockstar is. Gene is delusional to think he wasn't addicted to his vice, let alone his vapid hollywood aspiration.
I remember a day back in the early 90's that my then nearly X girlfriend played her vinyl copy of The Elder. I stopped listening to Kiss shortly after my teen years so I had never heard this LP. I asked her, who is this. She said. KIZZ. I'm like no fricken way! Long story short, it's my favorite KIZZ record. The band has been dissing the album for decades. Blaming Ezrin and Ace mostly to distance themselves from it. G & P got butt hurt I suppose for the lack of attention (or negative reviews) but I still think for one brief moment in time, KIZZ almost were musicians. It wouldn't be until Revenge that I would listen again to KIZZ. That should be the KIZZ discography, the first 4, The Elder and Revenge. Everything else was just more dumbassary. IMHO.
I still don't get the elder. It's just not a kiss sounding record. I like dark light and that's about it. After unmasked which also was a bomb. I didn't listen to them until creatures. Great video! I guess creatures is next.
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I never liked the Elder, but I sure like this documentation. TH-cam is full of Kiss stuff, but these videos really stand out big time!👍
I know, I've seen a bunch of KISS docs in the last couple of years, most notably Larger than Life by "Almost Human", but I'm really enjoying myself with this.
These are the best. They're informative and hilarious
Got it when it came out. Absolutely loved it. Didn't expect it, but enjoyed it for what it was. That was around the time that Fantasy was getting huge---Excalibur, Conan, etc, plus Dungeons and Dragons was hitting big. This was Kiss's soundtrack to a fantasy movie (that never materialized), and I was stoked that Kiss was jumping into the genre. I understand the backlash (then and now) but none of that mattered to me. I still enjoy giving it a spin.
I love the album and "i" is one of my favorite songs
For me, The Elder is the best album of Kiss. My favorite tracs are Just a boy, Under a Rose and Only You. This is the album were the voice of Gene and Paul is at this best.
The elder is a good album. Ace was exactly right about the timing of the release. God for bid Paul or Gene give Ace or Peter any positive praise.
Weren`t they supposed to make Creatures of The Night and changed their mind because of Gene`s retarded idea of a concept album for a stupid manuscript?
Unmasked is an awsome pop/rock album. Wish Paul would learn to love his art.
_Shandi_ is a great song.
It's always been one of my favorites. In an alternate reality, it was a huge hit and Kiss became a sort of pop rock, alternative, rock band. I would have been okay with that, actually. Woulda been better than Crazy Nights, at least.
@@TheMICMusicInspirationChannel It is, yes, and I also like What Makes the World Go Round.
@@farrellmcnulty909 _Naked City_ is probably the only other one from that album that sticks in my mind. I never knew the album too well as a whole.
Both The Elder & Unmasked are in my top 3 favorite KISS albums
At age 12 the Elder was just mind blowing..... The Oath was heavy and aggressive.... compared to Unmasked The Elder had some serious music on it... it will remain an enigma in Kisstory and a treasure.
The Elder was aa very bold move. I liked it then, and I still do. It's seriously weird at times, but the band really lets loose, and it has many fine songs on it.
The Elder is a cool album.
Brilliant album! Loved it from the day I got it.
Same over here
Hot dang! Loved it. A pop culture 23-car pileup. I feel so fortunate to have been born into the era of Ace Frehley, Andy Gibb, Rick James, and Cheech & Chong. Thanks. ♠️
"Gene and Paul have no street smarts"
Shown is a movie still of THE WARRIORS! Hell yeah 👍.
Great work as always!
I always liked Ace, but why does he always pretend to be from the streets? He was not from the streets, he had the most upper class up bringing of all the original members! Ace's father was an Electrical Engineer who worked for NASA and his mother drove around in a huge Cadillac with she drove Ace to his KISS audition in. Do you really think Ace's father would have his family living in the shittiest part of the Bronx New York, that Cadillac would be stripped and picked cleaned if Ace's story is true! Also, Ace was the only member to own a Marshal stack, which he brought to his KISS audition, not sure how he fitted in his mother's Cadillac though.
And, I love The Elder and always have,🤘🤘🤘🤘
One of my favorites albums
Outstanding! Subscribed…. Off to binge watch more. Love the attention to detail!
I have come to look forward to these. Love it!
This series is fantastic! Huge 👏 👏 👏 Well designed, fantastic animation and brilliant editing. Unmissable. Needs a much wider audience.
I always wondered why Paul doesn`t like Unmasked. It`s a great pop rock album. It`s the album that made them huge in Europe. It was a great success in both Europe and Australia. Sales can`t judge the quality of an album, but European fans have always loved Unmasked and is often in Top 3 favorite albums by fans above 50. Which, to be honest, is the majority of KISS`s fan base.
the oath and I, still kicks ass, i loved music from the elder.
Wow, I remember buying the Elder when it came out in 1981.
I do, too, but I was disappointed at first and either sold it or...whatever....I was stoned back then, it's mostly a blank. Anyway, it was 1986 when I suddenly thought of the record and wanted to go off to the used record shops to get another copy. I didn't realize it was out of print and that the only copy I could find before the CD reissue was a 75 dollar picture disc that skipped like a motherfucker.
I love the Elder.
It was. Way ahead of its time.
I loved the Elder. Did anyone notice Ace doing a little jiggy number at 16.58 with the guy beside him, then seemingly took interest in the guy's coat pocket and took something out of it? Struck me as funny.
Been waiting on this since yesterday 🤘🏻
Sorry for the misunderstanding yesterday, but it wasn't finished the way I wanted it to be. Hope you enjoyed it thou with a big delay
Love these.keep up the good work.
I can’t emphasize enough just how amazing these videos are - your edits have literally relieved me from so much stress - due to midterms. Anyways, every time Ace’s avatar starts talking I just can’t stop laughing 😂.. especially the Mary Jane part 😅.
Thank you for your Comment! Very glad to hear, I could help you with your Midterms ;)
If KISS had pushed the concept of the album was the story of the search for Eric as a new member of the band I think some fans would have loved that.
I feel Gene & Paul’s experiences at the time (the loss of Peter, Ace’s drugs/drinking and not showing up, etc) color their impression of the album.
As a fan from the time I loved the album.
The rock songs were fantastic and the storytelling of the overall record was kinda cool.
I definitely like the song layout as we now know it should have been but also see how starting a number of the more theatrical or opera like songs.
I disagree. I think they pissed around too much and alienated their fan base all the way back to the solo records. While I like the Elder, they needed to get back to a tough rock record long before they did.
I actually love this album
Me too!
I'd still like to see The Elder as a movie
"No", that makes me laugh every time.
Paul : the music didn’t have no teeth, we were gumming it . . He kills me when he talks like that . 😂😂😂😂😂😂
By this point in my life, I became heavily into ACDC, Rush, Black Sabbath and newer bands from the new wave of heavy metal. The Elder was a big dissenter to my ears.
If Kiss thought the Elder would appeal to the 13 - 19 year old demographic, they found out the hard way.
Dark Light, A world without heroes, The Oath, Mr. Blackwell, Escape from the island and I….those songs are pretty good.
I,Just a boy and A world without heros were all badass songs in my opinion.
No, not the last time. There was the recent time when Paul was out during the Monster shows. Gene, Eric and Tommy played as a trio.
Very right, had that on my mind too while editing ;)
Ace and Pater never drink the cool aid. Paul spends all his time putting down everyone who ever did anything for kiss. By his own admittance he is so sensitive. Ace and Peter did become a problem towards the end of the 70's because of drugs and alcohol but give them there dam due! Pete in those early albums has some really great songs. Btw they still are playing most of those songs today!!!!
Cant stand the person of Paulina/ she is a witch
The only song I hear them do that's Peter's is Beth
Peter and Ace were the real heart and soul of the original lineup period!!!! Paul and Gene auditioned 40 drummers and guitarists and look who won the jobs!!! If it wasn't for Peter and Ace, Paul and Gene would still be living in a scumbag apartment playing with Wicked fuckin Lester!!! Team Peter and Ace
Peter and Ace were amazing and at the end of the 70's, they were miserable and like Peter said just cashed out!!! He is honest in his book even and doesn't blame anyone else but himself!!! That's the difference between Catman and Ace and Paul and Gene, they admit to their faults, and Paul and Gene never let it go!!! Peter was clean and sober before the reunion tour and Paul and Gene still found reasons to bash him and Ace!!! Disgusting
Wouldn't it be funny if all this bashing was scripted. They are all still really good friends? I mean stop with the put downs, fellas.@@kevinchandler179
Paul n Gene were so out of touch with reality.. It's too bad they never 'experimented' with drugs.. or at least, drank some whiskey. Sometimes it helps
Paul got high, he just pussy foots around it. I mean, cmon, KISS in the '70s? Yeah, right...
@@brianmcmanus4690 yeah, see?
These videos, this channel, are so cool 😎
I always liked this Album.
1:01. Love that epic music
Awesome Job. The Elder rules. All the Best!!!!
This series is incredible I wonder if any of the members have seen this?
Not that I would know of . But thanks for the kind Words
If they did they'd probably all laugh. Even overly sensitive Paul would have a chuckle.
@@jessicajujubean5004 no way Paul would laugh
Why wouldn’t any of them watched this? They all have cell phones I’m sure they stumbled on to it
I remember the drill, new KISS record, staring at the album all the way home till I could get it on the turntable, reading the songs on the back, wondering what each title would sound like? That smell of opening the album, the anticipation of dropping the needle and waiting to hear what was about to hit you……fanfare ….uh ok…Just a boy….uh ok …The Oath ….here we go!!! needless to say I was completely not expecting what I heard, as much as I tried to push the record amongst my friends, they weren’t interested, AC/DC, Judas Priests, Def Leopard, was what they were now listening to, I have grown to appreciate the record as time went on, but it was a very strange time to be a fan
I love the little remarks in the background! they make me laugh
this is hilarious .... love the cartoon kiss graphics 🤣
I’m ready!
Can't wait
I actually love "The Elder" and "Unmasked"..But I do love their heavier music better like "Creatures Of The Night" and "Destroyer". I love the latest two albums too. I actually love all KISS' albums. Great job on the videos.
Fave KISS album & era!!!
xoxo The Clarences
The oath under the Rose Love them both
Yeahhh nice one!
Ace might've been high as hell, but even he knew The Elder was a crap record. 😂
Unfortunately they chose not to listen to him, because they figured what does he know... hes high as hell 🤦😂🤣
Solid Gold Performance
Dynasty, Unmasked and Elder are all masterpieces,
Totally.
Not even close. 🙄
The master was in pieces maybe
Elder is horrible
If u took the best songs from 3 albums and made a single album, it would be a decent creation. But all of the 3 are full of filler tunes.
These are really good🦊😍😎
Damn good video.
Fast forward to today. KISS Still isn't KISS without Ace and Peter! Paul and Gene are still ripping the fans off!
Cheers from Carson California 🤘🤘🤘
Only Kiss could release a soundtrack album from a movie that doesn't exist lol.
Absolutely right
Pioneers...U2 did the same 14 years later...
If Bob Ezrin was so bombed out of his mind that he said Eric Carr couldn't cut it on drums they should have known how rotten that record would turn out
Under the rose....................Best KISS song ever 😎😎😎
Such a massive Song, love it!
Awesome
Mfte is hidden gem❤mr.blackwell only you the oath great songs Cool album cover and gate fold 😮
This is a unique KISS album, no doubt. I like it.....not all of it, but do we really need to? You gonna tell me you like ALL of Unmasked or ALL of Crazy Nights.
The Oath is bad ass, don't care what anyone says. That shit can pass for early metal. Ace's stuff on this album has some redeeming qualities.
I knew when this episode came out we'd get both ends of love and hate and everywhere in between, lol.
Fuck it, can't we just say it isn't their best but has some good in it?
I absolutely share your Opinion.
I share your opinion too. I absolutely love "The Elder".
Cool to hear instrumental The Oath! Nice touch! Great job as always. Cheers
These videos are comical 😂😂😂
The Elder RULES!!! PLAY LOUD
I bought 10 copies of "Music from the Elder" on the first day! I brush my teeth to KISS every morning.
Do you still have them? If that's a stupid question, forgive me, but I'm thinking they must be worth a new car.
Hi,yo siendo un Kiss maníaco mexicano de 13 años y tener a Kiss en vivo en la tv 📺 por una semana,fué increíble.incluso dejé de ir a la escuela 😊. Inolvidable The Elder 🎉
Hola, me alegra mucho saber que has descubierto KISS, ¡pero aún así deberías ir a la escuela! A mí también me encanta THE ELDER, así que el vídeo estuvo muy cerca de mi corazón. Saludos desde la fría Alemania a México ;)
Yeeeaaaaahhhhhhhh......
Wooowwwwww......
WHAAT!!!
The oath is an awesome song.
2:06 the eyeroll. hilarious
Love the pictures kiss without makeup and the mfte is a great album under the rose the oath Mr Blackwell only you great sont❤
Does anyone have the link to the “I” music video
I wonder what Ace's 'Elder'album studio looks like?
Another great segment. I love how Gene says Marvel's Watchmen. It was DC. 🤦🏼♂️
oops
He meant the "Watcher" from Marvel, who's really old and wise, and who observes the strife of the world.
Didn't know Metallica had an album out in 1981 lol
Ah yes....although I got on in '76, I didn't see my first gig till Creatures of the Night tour...getting close!
Nobody put up any front that they were anything but positive for THE ELDER album when it came out. I remember them, and the press, seeming all for it...I was around then...I remember it. But for guys like me, the not-really-a-Kiss-fan-yet, if Kiss didn't "look" right in the make-up singing "I Was Made For Loving You," then how is a concept album gonna figure in to everything? It was a lot to swallow, and ultimately, it was laughed off. Even from major Kiss diehards. Even Kiss put it behind them rather quickly and stopped talking about it. Listening to it now, it didn't work because Kiss isn't The Moody Blues, or something like that. It was a good enough record, but Kiss needed to rock more. Anywho...these videos keep getting better and better!
I was around back than was well and I loved it, no matter what the Die-Hards said. I loved KISS taking the Risk to expand their Horizon as Artists... but the Storyline and Look was a Joke in my Opinion. Obviously it was a major failure financial and they lost Ace.
@@kissdiaries I'd have loved it if they did something like Days of Future Passed, but call it Daze of Future KISS - Paul's vocal histrionics on Nights of KISS Satin and have Ace deliver the "breathe deep" soliloquy.
@@kissdiaries - I'm glad that Ace made his way out. I know it was a great hit on Kiss, but Ace's solo work has been really fine music. Kiss, as a legacy rock band, had to find their way. And they did...eventually.
Eric was such a cutie. If I could have got with any member of Kiss it would be him all the way. But only if he kept the fox makeup on
Same, he was the cutest out of KISS
Their own "Tommy"😂😂😂
The Elder found it's own place after the turn of the century. It really isn't a bad rock and roll album once one gets past the departure from KISS's traditional rock and roll ways.
There’s no way Eric ever played Metallica for the other members of KISS in 1979-1981 during the recording of The Elder, when Metallica hadn’t even recorded and released anything until 1982. Also, Eric was in a disco band before he tried out for KISS. No way was he listening to nascent thrash metal when he said himself he didn’t even own any KISS records and was only casually aware of them.
Very right
The Younger, should be the prequel
-Bill Aucoin
I feel like I can find something good about any bad album I listen to, but with the elder, it felt like the second something was going well, it just takes such a turn lol. It just takes itself way too seriously, but I can listen to it. I think it has good moments that could’ve worked with better direction.
I really think KISS should have went straight to making Creatures than making The Elder. Eric deserved a better debut album and I think Creatures would have done better if it was released earlier rather than The Elder.
They were crazy not to tour for the Elder... of course they wanted some extravagant stage to go along with it but this time it was more about the music and less about the bombs explosions and Fire! All they had to do is make a stage based on a castle look like what Ozzy did on speak of the Devil or the diary of the madman tour! Instead of doing some short show like they normally do go out and do the full Elder album in one set and then come out and do a second set of 10 to 12 songs of classics. I mean compared to some other bands Kiss shows were not that long around an hour and 15 to 20 minutes at the most when a lot of bands were going over 2 hours. They could have gotten it done especially with Eric Carr on the drums! I don't know how reliable Ace would have been to do a show like that every night: at that point in his career! Hell, why not they shouldn't have given up on it. They bailed way too easy on that project.
Would have loved to see them on that Tour.
One of my favourite albums!
But probably not the right album at the time.
3:20 the oath sounds cool without vocals
2 hours 😻😁
Yeah, this went well.
I wish Paul would learn to love ace
The Elder needs to be listened to from the proper beginning to end (the re-release). I didn't like it in the beginning, but midway it got better and I liked the ending ("I" and "The Oath" are awesome).
Very right! (and the Ref of "Under The Rose")
It gets a bad rap for sure, its not horrible by any means.
Get High and listen to in
@@dr.roberts4508 Absolutely.
There was a re-release? I was unaware of that. Was it remastered?
The Elder is what happens when Kiss starts chasing Pink Floyd, goes prog rock and completely jumps the shark. One embarrassment after the next. Every once in a while I put it on, going, it’s probably not that bad…. It’s worse.
Rush set the standard of concept albums so high, that Kiss' was a guaranteed failure, no matter how decent it was.
Ace is rock and roll. Paul plays out what he thinks his ideal of a rockstar is. Gene is delusional to think he wasn't addicted to his vice, let alone his vapid hollywood aspiration.
Ace is Rock and Roll. Ace Frehley Lead Guitar!
Well said. Gene is still the insecure boy.
I'm trying to figure out how Gene thought that he was qualified to come up with a movie
I remember a day back in the early 90's that my then nearly X girlfriend played her vinyl copy of The Elder. I stopped listening to Kiss shortly after my teen years so I had never heard this LP. I asked her, who is this. She said. KIZZ. I'm like no fricken way! Long story short, it's my favorite KIZZ record. The band has been dissing the album for decades. Blaming Ezrin and Ace mostly to distance themselves from it. G & P got butt hurt I suppose for the lack of attention (or negative reviews) but I still think for one brief moment in time, KIZZ almost were musicians. It wouldn't be until Revenge that I would listen again to KIZZ. That should be the KIZZ discography, the first 4, The Elder and Revenge. Everything else was just more dumbassary. IMHO.
I just listened to Revenge for the first time in years, this past weekend. I found a copy for 3 bucks and loved every minute of it.
Who are KIZZ?
They didn't want to work with Ace because he was a drunk but they followed a cokehead (Ezrin) to Canada? Huh? 😲
It was all part of their suck-up to pretend to not mind it.
For me Kiss is about meat and potatoes. Raw Rock and roll over.
Ace got it. He knew even when he was Rock bottom.
I still don't get the elder. It's just not a kiss sounding record. I like dark light and that's about it. After unmasked which also was a bomb. I didn't listen to them until creatures. Great video! I guess creatures is next.
First comes KILLERS for a second
@@kissdiaries I forgot about killers. Sounds great 👍
Cheers all!
6:33 Nice as f cars Ace had. 😯
It wasn't a world without heroes, it was a frickin world without Catman!!!! Enough said