The (un) Real KISStory... Creatures of the Night (2/2) - Ace, Eric, Vinnie, Paul and Gene - Part 19
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- The (un) Real KISStory... The second part of two, of KISS talking about the CREATURES OF THE NIGHT Album.
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Tommy Thayer should drop the Space Ace persona and embrace Paul’s vision and become Turtle Tommy.
hahahahaha
Too funny
" I want my mtv" , " I just want a tv" lmfao🤣
My favorite era of the band. I saw Vinnie's 3rd KISS show, Rockford IL - NYE 1982. Too bad so short-lived. Best music they'd written in years - and haven't matched since. KISS was best at 100% Italian. \m/\m/
yep. Creatures and Lick it Up are really good albums. It was their best work since Love Gun.. I think P n G were stupid for firing Vinnie. It was just ANOTHER STUPID DECISION
With all the buzz he still generates and all there mileage they still get from tunes he wrote, Paul really should lighten up. Vinnie didn't work out but they owe him a lot.
@@jeffreymorreale7223 👍 c est vrai. Très bon guitariste mais bizarre 🤔
Best version of Kiss was when they had turtle boy on guitar and don't forget it. 😆
@@jeffreymorreale7223 Paul still complains about that one night Ace did something he'll never forgive and how Gene irritated him and Peter was difficult. Seems to me, Paul has too many hang ups about everyone and is quick to forget that without the people he complains about, he would be a nobody living in Queens.
He should be thankful for those that got under his skin because Paul is no one man musical genius. He needed those other guys.
BRAVO ! The Eric Carr clips....just...WOW
Thank You for this
These are soooo good, this channel deserves so many more subs for the time and talent that goes into it. Keep it up dude, time will catch up with you.
Thank you so much for your lovely Comment!
@@kissdiaries Tommyboy's right, you present the facts as well as really stunning visuals and audio bites that really crack us up. The producers of KISSOLOGY could take a few leaves out of your book if they watch these.
Loved KISS. Brings back memories. 🤟
This is fantastic! I have heard all this a million times over, but this brings it to life in a new way!
*Now that was a great comment Make that a Great Compliment in which was and is well deserved ...Love KISS And Love this channel and video!*
Creatures is a very underrated album.
Nah it's rated about right, up near the top 5 of KISS albums
@@JoyofBookingtop 2
It’s my favorite
@@patrickthomas8890 also my favorite now!
I loved the drum sound in that album
Knights In Satan's Service. I remember them being called that
These are hilarious! Great job.
Vinnie is a scam artist and completely weird but I love his songs ( in Kiss ) and I LOVE that era of the Fox and Ankh Warrior.
They looked Awesome.
Vinnie Vincent SAVED Kiss
Paul really needs to lighten up and soften his stance on Vinnie. Vinnie still generates a lot of buzz/ interest.
They should invite him back in. It would either be epic or give Paul a whole new catalog of shit to talk. He can't lose.
Paul: My girlfriend turned into Mrs Aykroyd
Zuko: That's rough, buddy
Best channel on KISS and all of TH-cam! Honestly……a big thank you from all of us KISS fans x
I liked Vinnie's Ankh. I don't know why Paul says he didn't like it.
Especially since Paul designed it
It looked awesome on Vinnie. I've seen some pics where he didn't put in on very well, but i general i think it's a great make-up design.
The Hottest TH-cam channel in the world!! I have enjoyed these immensely from day one. The editing alone is worth the price of admission. I can’t imagine how much work must go into sourcing all the material, getting the narrative together, all the painstaking sound design, etc. Thank you for all that you have given us!
While we waited for the "Lick It Up" LP to be released (amid rumors of 'no make-up' front cover), some friends/KISS fans said that they could 'see' KISS doing the 'no-make-up' album cover once, but then touring the album in make-up and new costumes. It wasn't the KISS traditions we wanted rid of, it was the wrong turns (Meets The Phantom; Dynasty; Unmasked; The Elder; Solid Gold). The 80s could have been a make-up & black&silver decade with Paul, Gene, Vinnie and Eric...Destroyers Of the Night, Lick And Roll Over!
Problem is Creatures didn't sell and the tour went bankrupt. This is why they took off the makeup and recycled the Creatures stage for the LIU tour. If Creatures had even gone Gold they likely wouldn't have taken off the makeup. They did it to save themselves and gain some attention. It worked.
Oh gosh. I thought I was the only person who remembers the Solid Gold appearance. I was just a kid, but thought "Ok, I'm out"
@@Issicra I played the stuffing outta MFTE, rejoicing in the heavier guitars (esp after the overal lighter sounds of Dynasty & Unmasked). So I was a trooper /'on board' for "Fridays" (great drums, Eric!) and "Solid Gold", though still bemused/confused & disappointed. Imagine my ELATION with CreaturesOTNight, LP and seeing the Creatures tour twice (Creatures 'Full Pyro' Portland Maine: front/barrier. And Creatures 'No Pyro' show in Worcester MA. TV news in Maine interviewed me because I was going to attend the Worcester 'No Pyro allowed in Massachusetts' show.)
I LOVE THESE! Looking forward to it1
About that contract that Vinnie Refused to sign business, let me explain.
It all comes down with the logistics which come with doing a tour:
- You have to hire truckers to move the entire thing from city to city during the tour
- You have to hire a crew to build the stage
- You have to hire sound crew to make sure the shows sound good every night
- You have to hire special effects people to make sure the pyrotechnics of a show will work as they should every single night. (Certainly for a band like Kiss, that's their bread and butter right there.)
- You have to hire promoters to make sure the venues can be booked.
AND
- You have to make sure that every single one of those people hired is insured, because should a calamity happen to that said person, medical bills would be taken care off by the insurance company.
So every single member of the tour crew (Which includes the band members themselves) has to sign a contract, which in return means:
- That they will be insured during that said tour.
- Will receive proper payment for their services for the full duration of that tour.
- Will be properly taken care of, have a bed to sleep in and enough to eat during the tour.
Vinnie let his contract expire, which meant that the band was basically touring with an uninsured employee and basically had to pay for hotel stays out of their own pockets. But by letting it expire he also basically gave away any legal ownership of the songs he co-wrote. Which is why he never saw any royalties and when he sued the band to get those royalties, the Judge was shown the paperwork: legally the band had NO obligation to pay Vinnie since he wasn't under contract with them.
Merci , je comprends mieux maintenant 👍🙂
Why does not signing your tour agreement justify the band screwing you out of your royalties?
@@garyhill2740 Kiss as a band is a corporation, a business, a factory as you will. Employees are paid for their services accordingly to their contract and employer's agreements.
So why would the CEO of a company pay somebody who is legally not part of the corporation? Does he have any obligation to pay what is essentially a freeloader?
That's what happened to Vinnie here. He was a freeloader, didn't get his legalities in order, HAD he done so, he would have been a millionaire!
Heck, want an example of that. Look at Pete Best, when The Beatles wanted to release their “Anthology” box sets in 1994, the band's management got in touch with Best because he played on them. Best signed the contract, making him part of the Beatles corporation once more, and the royalties made him a millionaire overnight.
It pays to get the legalities in order, nor really it PAYS, to have your legalities in order.
@@RastaSaiyaman That's all well and good. We should not, however, become so greedy and cynical and profit driven that we completely lose touch with music as art.
And none of that explains cheating someone out of royalties for composing and recording simply because they disagree contractually going forward about live performance terms.
He should’ve signed the contract and realized he was a hired hand. Ace and Peter should’ve signed the contract too. Gene and Paul kept the ship afloat while ace and Peter were sniffing their money up their noses
Another great Episode; can't wait for the big final!👍
It's just tragic to see Vinnie Vincent today, making strange stage appearances with his old Kiss make up on, like he did a couple of months ago at the "Creatures Fest". Tragic, and actualy pretty funny.
Just like Gene said " Vinnie would shoot himself as you are handing him the keys to the city "
His own worst enemy.
I understand why they took their makeup off at the time, they needed to change to survive but eventually their no makeup era made them blend in with other bands and they weren’t as unique anymore so it ended up coming full circle when they returned to the makeup.
You got it
Still miss Carr. This is great stuff and you have a new subscriber.
Can't wait man! You do a great job on these videos.
👏🏻👏🏻Standing ovation👏🏻👏🏻 I have enjoyed this series soo much, it’s so well done it’s ridiculous❤️You are a hero, I can’t imagine how many hours this series have taken to make for our enjoyment❤ Already exited for the evening I’m going to watch the whole thing at once 👍🏻 I would crowdfund/pay for a great blu-ray release of this. With a cool cover and everything 👍🏻
Thanks for your very kind words! Blu-Ray would be a great Idea, but I don't want to cross ways with KISS, as I don't own the Copyrights. But you can download it and burn your own DVD if you feel like and share it with your Friends.
Vincent was a headcase, but his talent is undeniable. He was heavily involved with Creatures, Lick It Up, and Revenge, three of KISS's top 5 albums, IMO. GREAT mockumentary!!!
Outstanding!!!
Outstanding episode by the way. I was looking forward to this all day. Can’t wait to see what you have in the future.
Totally awesome episode! I love this era of KISS!!
I won't argue with Paul when he said "the fans had been betrayed and weren't so quick to forgive".
I was one of them, had been a fan since 11/1975 when I first heard Rock and roll all night. After Unmasked came out it was a total "what are they doing" time. Couldn't defend the album, didn't like it. Then, the Elder comes out a year later and by then, 20 other bands had stolen their thunder.
When Creatures came out, most of us Kiss fans weren't even sure if we wanted to buy it. This was before Mtv played Kiss and radio didn't play Kiss and you couldn't just open a copy and listen to it before purchase.
So after getting burned twice it was like not gonna buy it until I start hearing what's on it type vibe. That's why it sold poorly and that's why not many concert tickets were sold.
Always, listen to what that audience wants. Always.
Also kiss had died because they were a kiddie band at the time.
Until people saw Vinnie and saw how cool he was.
Then they skyrocketed to the top again.
Because Vinnie did it.
@@DrMidnight-oz1rk I can tell you werent around back then. Nice try fanboy. 🙄
@@monty4336 I met Kiss in person in 1974 at a radio station before they became famous with Kiss Alive.
I got autographed pictures and talked to them, I told them that I heard of them but didn't have their records.
Then we left the radio station and just threw their autographed pictures in the trash.
@@DrMidnight-oz1rk Yeah, Kool for you. Let me guess, you also hung out with them lots and have zero evidence, we should just take your word for it over the internet. 🙄
I’ll be watching these videos all Christmas. 😂
So glad to have you back! Been waiting a long time for the next part! Thanks so much! Keep up the killer work!
There is another new Episode, which came out before this one.
This is so good. Like I always say, the best KISSTORY on the web! What a presentation!!
I remember buying that magazine @ 13:26, in Glena Park, Tx. wow, what memories.
This production is awesome!!
Great post; exceptionally well done!! 👍🏼
Freu mich schon drauf!👍
Das freut mich zu hören!
This is great. I just stumbled on your channel…amazing. Great editing. SUBSCRIBED!!!
Lick it up is their hardest and best album because of Vinnie..Every song kicks ass..I can't say that about any of their other albums..
100%. Lick it up, then resurrected them again with revenge.
Creatures!
You’re not gonna believe Creatures when you actually hear it
Lick it up? Lmao
The album stinks compared to DESTROYER
I saw Vinnie preform at Creatures Fest and to be honest he was Really good, and after he left the band, he Started his own band called Vinnie Vincent Invasion that band released only 2 albums before splitting up After that he returned To Kiss to do some songwriting and wrote some of the songs for the Revenge album.
He was fired by the band he started,it became slaughter
@@vegasraiderspetef9883- BS, Vinnie was forced to hire Mark Slaughter by record execs. Vinnie hated Slaughter’s vocals. Vonnie thought VVI’s second album was shit. Nothing like the first one and not what he wanted to do. The band broke up because Vinnie rode them to be better and do what he wanted since it was his band and he really didn’t think Slaughter’s vocals was up to his standards. They couldn’t fire him because it was his band. Even Mark Slaughter admitted as much. Vinnie didn’t want to work with him anymore because he never did. So the others left and formed Slaughter because they were lame studio musicians that would play any old lame shit for money and fame. And that’s exactly what Slaughter was … mainstream pop MTV hair-metal for wimps and girls. That wasn’t Vinnie, You can blame Vinnie for wanting the VVI to be more like that first album and not that MTV hair-metal crap they did on the second record. But I don’t.
Loved KISS as a kid, forgot about them for 20 yrs, picked them up again after the MTV unplugged album, really enjoyed that. Never really knew much about VV. But my first impression is “Man, what a weirdo.”
I cannot hear Rock bottom without hearing a sob story in the back of my head now 🤣🤣🤣
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👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 thank you very very much....!!!!!
Great!! If you can - keep 'em coming. There's still 35+ of their story to cover.
Can’t believe I’ve just found this channel ❤❤❤
me too!
This episode in particular was hilarious. But any time Vinessa Vincent is bagged on is hilarious. On a side note the font used for Vinnie Vincent on the click page is wicked cool.
Thanks! Sorry, but I don't remember the Name of the Font. But it fit perfect for Vanessa's (lol) little Project
Wow this is great just found your channel, new subscriber!
Finally! I love your kiss vids more than anyone's. Of course I know all this stuff, but the way you put it together and edit it is just funny and makes it all new again. Please, don't make us wait so long next time and go through the entirety of kiss. I want to see your hilarious videos about end of the road. I can only imagine the lip syncing. I'll even give you an idea for it, when you have Paul saying he doesn't lip sync, have the cartoon Paul in your video saying it with his lips out of sync. 🤣🤣🤣
Great job 👌🏻
Nice work man!
I seen Creatures of the night tour in Toronto ! It was better then animalize a year later. War machine was a pretty heavy tune and the set looked like a huge tank turret on the drums blowing out speakers !
Paul criticizing Vinny on his “cartoon name” is so ironically funny given his whole persona.
Vinnie was inspired by military that's why he suggested the name.
Later he named his band Invasion, it's military.
It has to do with finding motivation and strategies.
Great video again
DOOOOOD..thank you
Vinnie saved kiss's ass with his playing and writing two of my favorite Kiss albums Creatures and Lick It Up.
Excellent video, I just discovered your channel, thank you 👍🏼…..🤘🏼
Glad to hear!
My first concert was creatures in Charleston west virginia, churches were protesting outside, show was half empty, it was a great show but i was shocked ace was gone he waa my favorite. Vinnies solo sas incredibly long and yes everyo e levt to smoke, eat, or get drinks
COTN is a top 5 KISS album for me.
I personally think that both new line-up make-up was awesome and fresh. The problems weren't with the band itself it was the problems within the band and finding the right fit. Eric was a perfect replacement for Peter... but replacing Ace was a bit more troublesome. ( Vinnie/ Mark St. John ) Until his permanent with Bruce.
Crazy good...😎
Man, you're the best
Thank you !
If there are any young guys out there who have not gotten their heart broken, please use Paul Stanley’s relationship with Donna Dixon as a concrete example of how not to treat a woman. Or, how not to let a woman treat you. She never let him too close. Even though he was simping all over her. When a woman comes to you and tells you that another man is “a genius“ run away. Never look back. Take it from me. She is sleeping with that man.
Same happened to Peter with Deb, young People listen to "@HHH-ye1ro"
Every band member to wear make-up should have had a unique design, period.
...Bol!, I just want a TV -Ace Is too Cool!!!
Actually Vinnie's makeup did suit him- he was a mystery to the rest of the guys alot of the time, and in Kiss put out this ethereal, know-it-all "Wiz" vibe, publicly and behind the scenes. So the Ankh was a good fit, like, "Who tf is this guy?" Plus everyone had to be told what an "Ankh" was.
9:27 - "Your're in your 30's now, do you feel slightly ridiculous appearing like this in public anymore?"
40 years later.........
brilliant
Creatures, one of their best albums and only one that felt like actual Heavy Metal but tour was weaker than Unmasked or Dynasty. I don't even know if they toured for the Elder. Lick it up was a decent comeback but wasn't the same guys that had done the first 6 or 7 albums.
That Ace laugh at 1:48 caught me off guard 😂
This is a very creative presentation.. Good job!!
Vinnie is one of those people who I believe everything bad about him because it's not just Gene and Paul who say it. Pretty much everyone who's ever worked with him says he was a complete tool
He's more talented than all those people put together though.
All of them put together never in hundreds of years could they write anything as good as V.V
@@drmidnight2419 if he's so talented then how come his entire career consists of two years with Kiss and a band that almost everyone has forgotten? Seems to me that someone with real talent would have a lot more to show for it. Instead he's spent the last 30 plus years milking those things for all theyre worth
@@PinkyJujubean his V.V. records were great, I listen to them all the time. Also check out his music with Laura Nero.
Nowadays Vinnie has even more videos than Kiss, he's getting more popular as people are starting to see that he was a great songwriter and will be bigger than Kiss.
A lot of great bands failed due to bad promotion, ect
@@drmidnight2419 his band failed because he kept jerking the record label around and because his band mates didn't wanna deal with his difficult behavior
@@PinkyJujubean he didn't fail, his records sold.
It was bad promotion, bad people.
He, I think also ripped some people off and may be that he took on too much work for himself and couldn't get it done.
Mark slaughter, appice etc etc all said that vinnie was just impossible
Vinnie était Égocentrique, donc impossible de travailler avec. Mais un excellent guitariste.
Cool
Vinnine was the real life Sammi Curr. Poor Gene and Paul made a Faustian Deal wih Vinnie Cridicts be dammed I'd still say it WAS WORTH IT!
Why doesn't KISS make Tommy Thayer wear the Vinnie Vincent costume instead of stealing the Spaceman, after all Paul Stanley came up with the VV makeup?...lol
Amazing Idea... or Turtle Boy
and here's the Vinnie Vincent invasion album and yes, I own both albums
album 1 th-cam.com/video/g_O9oqqjzt8/w-d-xo.html
album 2 th-cam.com/video/J0d2E9U6sFY/w-d-xo.html
These new fans don't understand, they were damn near forgotten!!
"Mick Fury" it would be funny if Vinnie suggested "Mick Foley" instead 😆
Alternate universe : Vinnie Vincent became wrestler.
I used to have a silver 924 like the one at 0:40. 👍
if ya think about it ......... the Creatures album cover artwork ....... It tends to be a darker,easier to overlook album compared to Love Gun or Alive II or Dynasty etc. Those were more in your face as to where Creatures was sorta like a warm whisper visually. Yet you have Screaming for Vengeance, Bold Colorful, Number of the Beast, Ozzy , etc. Creatures cover looks visually a bit dreary kinda. I would think this could also play into random customers having no interest.
Vinnie was an amazing technical talent on the fretboard, but severely lacked flavor, charisma, and overall taste in his solos.
Ace allegedly never took a music lesson, but he could make that guitar sing and speak to the listener. In a way that could reach their heart.
Still waiting for "Turtleboy"!!
6:35 yeah. It’s called valium.
I don’t feel bad for Gene and Paul in regards to Vinnie , Carmine Appice warned them that Vinnie could be trouble, but they hired him anyway.
Were people afraid to come tell you no one was in the hall before you hit the stage? 😁 I can sympathize..KISS may have gotten off track for a few albums but a lot of people were missing out on a great show in '82. Edit: fabulous opening acts included
I loved the 10th Anniversary tank shows I saw with Vinnie and Eric , God rest his soul
The Tank tour was my 1st rock concert period,along with being the only KISS show ( out of 24) that I saw with them in makeup. The non makeup years were really " my " KISS era.
@@careful__Icarus My first concert was Crazy Nights, I was 15, saw them twice on Hot In The Shade, and on the reunion tour. I wish I could have seen them with VV.
VINNY ONLY ONE WITH BALLS AN TALENT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF
Amazing stuff man! Thanks for these! 🙏🏻
Thanks for the support ! Love your Channel
@@kissdiaries no problem! An that’s a lot dude!
If vinnie hadnt been born, kiss would be resting in peace since 1980. He actually resurrected kiss twice. Its no surprise that Creatures, Lick it up, and Revenge are possibly in the top 5 best kiss albums.
Lmao
11:09 I saw the Creatures Tour (w Night Ranger)in Portland, Maine (Front/on barrier. & I was interviewed for TV); Worcester, Mass (no pyro!); and yes I took risked $12 bus ride to Providence Rhode Island, bringing my $12 KISS ticket to the cancelled-after-all show. Before I went, I heard the rumor of cancellation, but I couldn't get that confirmed no matter how many ticket agencies nor radio stations I phoned. No one knew, one way or the other. So I went anyway. It was cancelled, I later got my ticket refunded. The Vinnie/Eric line-up was amazing, both for Creatures and for Lick It Up. Every venue was decimated. Massacred. Eric was WW3. Vinnie was lethal injection.
(Later in '83, I saw the Lick It Up tour (w Heavy Pettin, & Helix): once in England; two cities in Scotland. In '84 I saw Lick It Up in: Worcester Mass; and in Conneticut.) And later in 1984 I saw Animalize in two cities in Scotland.
Lotta rumors n whispers, but truly an American success story, devil it's due
..& still revisit my KISS records. Bought my first one at 4 in 1978, well my relative gave it to me.
Onde eu descobri no Brasil ❤
Estou muito feliz em ouvir isso! Saudações da Alemanha
I liked VVs chops. I have his VHS guitar lesson. Learned nothing from it.
How can 2 extra members with makeup be disingenuous when they have about 1000 marvel superheroes characters and they are all are a success??
Ironic back then, KISS was considered Satanic yet it was FINE to let Your 12 Year Old Daughter Listen to Brittany Spears. 🙄🤣
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Here's some footage of Vinnie preforming at Creatures Fest th-cam.com/video/-FHMHGphIhM/w-d-xo.html
On ne voit Rien, c est trop loin 👎
Vinnie maybe as good as those epic guys but he wasn’t able to focus and blend in with KISS. It was true that he would solo for 4 minutes while Gene and Paul stood to the side looking annoyed . Vinnie was great. I wish he could have stayed in the band longer
Paul Stanley: "What!!?"
It amazes me how P n G talk so much shit on Vinnie- but THEY are the ones who hired him! Vinnie basically wrote or co- wrote EVERY FKNG SONG ON LICK IT UP, and that album put them right back in the public eye and radio stations began to play KISS; yet, they talk shit on Vinnie.. That lineup of Gene, Paul, Vinnie, n Carr is awesome! They put up with so much shit from Peter n Ace, but had zero tolerance for Vinnie. It all makes no sense. They could've ruled the world once again if they kept that lineup intact..
Vinnie is a great songwriter, but like alot of musicians, things can be different when dealing with them personally. If didn't like the contract, he should have just quit on the spot.
Creatures still rocks. Top all time KISS album for me!
It's a Brazillian who made this montage?
Those magazines showed were from Brazil 1983 tour.
No, German... ;)
@@kissdiaries The 1983 Creatures Tour was a hugh fever in Brazil, I got those magazines event today. Probably "Creatures" is one of the most selling albums in Brazil all time.
Since you made this video, maybe you find out interesting this collect from 1983 VHS tapes:
th-cam.com/video/yWt3aywxl0k/w-d-xo.html
For all the bad decisions the Dimmer Twins made ... some of them turned out A-Okay.
Kiss played Pine Bluff, Ark to a small croud
Vinnie was so awesome G and p jealous.