What if a talented artist asaulted you, or someone you knew, would you still be able to separate the artist from his work? It's just a matter of degrees.
One thing to remember about films is that they represent the work of many people, not just the director or the producer. They represent the work of writers, actors, cinematographers, editors, set designers, etc. If you trash a movie, it is the work of dozens of people being trashed. That's a lot of collateral damage because the director or one of the actors was a predator.
Read this Comment; because of the transgressions of a few, we junk tens of thousands of wonderful production staff and their work?!...who started this latter day witch hunt of yesteryear J'Accuse?....how far back do the accusers go and why would they stop there?...how do we, in 2020, know if there was abuse.. or not? Maybe men and women have different views...but the fact remains; do the accusers bring down the innocent pyramid because of one corroded block? Is that the objective?
@Stranded NYer Are you daft? Your response makes no sense. It doesn't matter how much creative control a director has, that doesn't negate the fact that thousands of other people rely on that film to pay their bills. If I just wrote my first debut film but the movie flops because the director raped someone, how easy do you think it will be for me to sell another script after I just wrote a flop? Why do you think the creative control aspects are even remotely relevent to this discussion?
@@Firebrand55 Call me crazy, but it might actually be best dealt with on a one-on-one basis of accusers and the accused to settle these things in real life courts of law. And if law won't do, try watching the movie In The Bedroom, it'll give you an idea how these things might play out otherwise. I'm more than confident that there are men -- and more than likely women -- who bully and berate others because they are feckless against their own urges. And they should absolutely be dealt with. So, hopefully with time going forward, we'll practice better aim.
exactly! back then there wasn`t such a thing as calling out someone for "sexual harrassment". the women who suffered because of men`s unwanted sexual advances had to bequiet and not tell anyone about it. even if they did nobody believed them. very hard times for women and minorities in general. Tippi is a wonderful woman who stood up to Hitchcock`s nasty harrassment and didn`t put up with it.
You say that as though it's indisputable fact. Personally, I don't believe her but I haven't made up my mind for certain because I don't know the facts and neither do you.
The actress Tippi is so beautiful intelligent and such a respectful woman. It is so sad 😔 to know what she endure and suffered as an actress in this Hichkok film.I admire Tippi.💐 😢 Efrat, Israel.
He's not here to deny it though. She had all those years to call him out, but, waited until he was dead and he couldn't defend himself and nor could any of his friends. It appears she waited until 2016 to say anything. Easy to accuse when no one is around to deny or prove you're wrong. She's still an actress and sensationalism sells.
Imperfect people can create great works. The question here is: Does knowing an artist's human frailty cancel out their achievements ? Does having the knowledge of their faults make it difficult to enjoy/appreciate their work? Wagner, Cézanne and Renoir were anti Jewish to varying degrees. It bothered me to learn this because I so love Cézanne's paintings. Elia Kazan ruined the careers of his Hollywood friends during the time of the McCarthy witch hunt trials. But On The Waterfront, Streetcar Named Desire and Splendor In The Grass are superb films. I think it is necessary to disassociate the faults of the artist from the art. Let the work stand alone.
I agree, I think letting the work stand separate from the artist would be the best way to admire and appreciate the work itself. however, by doing this we take away the link between the artist and his work which is essential in many ways. otherwise, it would be very easy and convenient to appreciate art from completely anonymous painters, photographers or moviemakers!
Agree. Human beings are flawed…some more some less, no one is a God so we should not put anyone on a pedestal, but, great art or any great contribution to society matters and should stand the test of time.
If I was one of these celebrities who was assaulted by a powerful producer I would find it difficult to separate the assault from even the production not to mention the abuser. Their works of art would be forever tainted in my eyes.
So sad what women have to go through just to make a living. All the trauma they have the rest of their lives. Why can't we just be respectful in the workplace towards everyone?
Ridiculous! Everyone with a grudge accuses anybody in Hollywood of sexual abuse now. It’s totally unacceptable that me too has lost any sense of measure!
belinda hinckley oh yea Tippi Hedren was basically tortured on that movie. One of the last scenes of the movie where she got stuck in the room in the birds attacked her and then she when it's extreme shock. She wasn't acting. He literally threw birds at her take after take after take. She was so traumatized from that that they had to actually stop taping for a few days. But I still love the movie.
The sabotaging of her career was indefensible, but to say she was traumatised, is how many people of both sexes feel during 'their work'- Hitchcock clearly was a controlling creep is areas of his life. I can understand how belinda feels -it does put a cloud over his films.
Blacklisting art because of the artist is tricky. It means your erasing and editing the past, our experiences shape us no matter good or bad. The key is learn from them and educate people about the truth, so those bad things don't happen again to others. Evil will exist and continue to do so, as long as we bury our heads in the sand. This applies to all life.
Don't punish all of the other innocent people connected to the shows/movies, the cast, crew, etc., by taking away their income. Some of them may depend on those earnings. They did nothing wrong, and deserve to have their work shown.
Just so we’re clear, nobody in the “me too” movement is suggesting we burn or ban these films or tv shows. It’s simply raising awareness that if you don’t want to support predators, maybe skip buying a rotten apple movie. Hopefully we’ll do better in the future at dealing with perpetrators of bad behavior rather than ignoring the people they hurt.
Donald Spoto wrote a biography on Hitchcock in 1983: The Dark Side of Genius. I read it in 1984. It is full of details on Hitch's dark tendencies towards his blonde actresses, especially Tippy Hedren. So all of this has been known for 36 years. Hitch was abusive of Tippi. Not just by making clumsy sexual overtures (he never actually raped her), but by dominating her, molding her to his fantasies, by controlling each and every aspect of her life. Making her his living doll. Somewhere during the shooting of Marnie she decided not to play along. In revenge he destroyed her career.
A movie isn't made just by one person, you are shutting down the works of hundreds of people. This cancel culture is sickening. If it was up to that, we'd be left with almost nothing. What about the pillars where religion was build? Countries, languages, and so much more that have abusive and violence roots...
I watch the Cosby show but I’m not going to act like the world would be impoverished or I would be less of who I am if it didn’t exist. Its a wonderful show and gave us lasting lessons and memories. That being said, if not having The Cosby Show saved just one of the people who suffered at the hands of Cosby it would be worth it. Tf is he talking about suffering without westerns?😂
To say that all art which was created by someone accused of sexual misconduct is now tainted is, in my opinion, a bit of a stretch. I've heard stories in the past about Hitchcock's womanizing, so nothing said in this report comes as a surprise, but I would still say his behavior is not on the same level as what someone like Bill Cosby has been accused of. I too grew up watching the Cosby Show, along with the Saturday morning cartoon Fat Albert. I also used to listen to Cosby's comedy bits many, many times, but to me they're now tainted and I don't enjoy them anymore. But I still enjoy watching Hitchcock movies even though I know Hitchcock was less than a perfect gentleman.
There is a site savehitchcock.com and former cast and Crew members tell quiete different stories. especially they tell how Hedren did misbehave on the set and a lot of her stories simply are not true. She told AFTER the death of Truffaut that Truffaut had wanted her to star in Fahrenheit 451 but Truffauts Family and Crew say Hedren never had been considered for that part. She also Claims that Hitchcock did ruin her Career what is not true at all, she herself did ruin her Career by accepting after her starring roles in The Birds and Marnie a SUPPORTING part in Chaplins Countess of Hong Kong (Brando and Loren were the stars, Hedren had 15 minutes screen time) If you are a star and Play a supporting part you NEVER again get a starring part, remember Demi Moore? After her suporting role in Charlies Angels she never again played a starring part in an A List movie but only supporting parts in B-movies. Hedren some years later played in and produced Roar which had a worldwide big PR but wasn´t a success. She blew her Career, not Hitchcock.
I don't believe Tip's claims against Hitchcock now that he's no longer here to defend himself. I won't believe her until someone else comes out with claims, he worked with A LOT of female actresses. Ironic that her granddaughter played a role in Fifty Shades.
2:35 we’ll, movies have hundreds of people working on them, not just movies pretty much any product could have a rapist or killer working on them so it’s not reasonable to eliminate products that are “tainted”… it’s a little different when a monstrous person is in the spotlight of the movie
That's what they are doing now with Captain James Cook. Erasing his recognition because he apparently killed some local people on an island. He still was one of the best explorers and navigators in history and that should not be forgotten or erased!!
Really tricky question regarding the separation of Art and the evil behind the end product because it's not all about sexual and/or physical abuse as it also relates to Race , Politics , Religion and Sexual Deviance . For instance. ..my deepest most firmly held thoughts about Racism , War , Apartheid , Hypocrisy and the Historical behaviour of certain groups of people are impossible to avoid unless I live like a hermit or live in a cave . I am confronted by subliminal advertising or newspaper headlines which offend me every time I go shopping and I personally feel my own rights are abused because I am an elderly heterosexual married mother and grandma which means I am nowadays considered to be in a minority. .....at least in a ( so called ) civilised Country . Could be a great debate but I think I would be shouted down , imprisoned or shot !!!
No one is 100% good or 100% bad, just google "Gandhi sex life" and if you think the man was a saint, you'll have another thing coming... but there's no denial that he's one of the most important figures of the last century and an inspiring figure to the world. We all have shades of goodness or vileness or creepiness inside us... I just read some nasty stuff about Martin Luther King, of all the men... so yes, we should separate not the art from the artist, but the "who we are" from "what we do", some contributions are so grand and so significant that they do transcend the creepiness of the person... unless we're talking of a killer or a child molester or some war criminal... that's another story.
Why did Tippi Hedren work again with Hitchcock on Marnie? Did Hedren ever talk to Mrs. Hitchcock. We don't know about the future, but being in a Hitchcock movie almost gives one a kind of immortality. If Tippi Hedren didn't make The Birds we wouldn't be interviewing her today. And what about Suzanne Pleshette, didn't Hedren talk to her about the situation?
He viciously ruined her career! This is beyond the creep he was. It's criminal. Big disappointment for people with a CONSCIENCE! Something he was lacking in spades!
You shouldn't separate the artist from the art. EVERY artist pours a little bit on themselves in each project, no matter whether they are actors, directors, etc.
If viewers can't separate the artist's personal life from their on-screen work (whether it's behind the scenes or in front of the camera), then they might as well shut off their TVs and never go to the movies ever again, because there is no film to ever come out of Hollywood, that didn't have some wicked events taking place when the cameras weren't rolling. It's not called "Hollywood Babylon" for nothing!
There is no excuse for sexual abuse and being a big shot Director/Producer etc should not award them sympathy for the revelation nor minimise that abuse. Asking should their careers be minimised is deflection. Those poor men (not). That's not the point.
All humans are tainted, that’s why redemption is so important, and why we all need it, no matter your gender, race, politics or what your particular creative output is.
I would also demand to know if someone at my bank, my doctors, my supermarket, my workplace, my neighborhood etc has ever been accused of sexual assault!!! Or any other crime! I don't care if he or she was convicted or not - an accusation, by anyone is enough for me! SERIOUSLY???
"Trust the art not the artist" - Bruce Springsteen. Of course you can and should separate the art from the artist. Additionally this "women are my tribe" is low fruit nonsense. We are individuals, and we should be looked at that way. Women have not escaped sin anymore than men. No tribe is free of that.
It wasn’t one person that made any film, play, tv show, etc so there’s no need to destroy and blacklist something because a person was/is a monster. Is tearing down a monument to Washington or Jefferson due to the fact they owned slaves justifiable?
Artists can be very narcissistic. The three artists I've known all were rude and dismissive. One was brutally honest, to a degree of being cruel. The other two were supreme gaslighters. I'll take a boring accountant any day.
"No film, no TV show, uh, no work of art is, um, paramount or that genius or more important than, uh, the physical bodies or the physical selves that have been wronged in the process of making that work." I don't know. I'd say that any one of Caravaggio's paintings is worth more than Ms. Tamblyn. CBS should have gotten a fine-art appraiser to ponder this question.
Everyone has the right to "shun" a movie or TV show. But that doesn't mean that those who want to watch the movie or TV show in question should be prohibited from watching it. You can try to encourage me to boycott something that you find offensive but you can not prevent me from seeing it. If we were to ban or destroy every movie or TV show, or novel, or painting or sculpture which was created by an immoral person or which starred an immoral actor or actress, the world would be a desolate landscape of ashes and dust . Just say'n.
Hedren says Hitchcock never touched her. He only "verbally" hit on her and that seems to have traumatized Hedren. Give me a break. There's lots more to this than Hedren is admitting to, like maybe childhood molestation, rape sometime in her life, etc.
Get a grip try having an old married man tell you daily he wants to have sex with you and if you refuse he will ruin the career you have worked for your whole life.You spouting that rubbish you did totally shows how way to many men feel about it being ok to say and go after a woman even after she tells you no.Then you come back and minimize anything you did and put it back on the woman that she must have the issue.
Factual Error -- according to Tippi In her interview with Larry King. - Hitch taunted Tippi AFTER the Birds (during the filming of Marnie). This video clearly portrays it as being during the Birds. (Although, bad conduct is wrong regardless of the timeline).
It’s great that she can write an autobiography 50+ years after the fact, however you’re only ever going to hear one side of the story. The man is dead for gods sake and he has been a long, long time. If she’s going to make accusations why wait this exorbitant amount of time? I’m a woman and frankly these women that are doing all this finger pointing decades after the fact, (yes you Janet Dickenson) are beyond deplorable. I don’t even believe close to half of them. Say something when it happens or don’t say anything at all.
Too bad her granddaughter is in that disgusting shades of grey movie! Even Tippi thinks it is disgusting! Maybe she should have told her granddaughter not to do it!
The question is do you think that these beautiful work of art were done because the artist was a horribly flawed human being? Artist like HP Lovecraft, Thomas Kincaid, Caravaggio etc.
People fight for ignoring abusive but talented "artists", but who fights for all abused talented artists like Tippi Hedren? How many talented artists had to suffer and were crushed by this abusive industry? How many lives destroyed? How many pieces of art did we miss because of that?
I'm a little confused at the comments saying that Hitchcock ruined Tippi's career. I read/watched documentaries in which she stated that he plucked her from relative obscurity near the end of her modeling career, and then Hitchcock and his wife coached her in acting, after which she was leading lady in two or his films: The Birds, and Marnie. After these she went on to star in various TV shows and movies (over 80 altogether, albiet nothing as noteworthy as a Hitchcock film, but he is one of the greatest directors of that age), most recently starring in something in 2013, I believe. It always seemed to me that he jump-started a career that otherwise likely never would have taken off. I also find it weird that she would work with him again on Marnie if she had an issue with him during filming of the Birds. People not going public on sexual assault, especially against such a powerful name, is something I can buy, but I have a difficult time understanding why she would work with him again if she felt her person was in danger.
@@ebybeehoney Clearly, you are unsure of how to properly use the adverb "clearly", because I am female :/ And actually, I looked into the issue a little bit more, and apparently Tippi was contracted with Universal Studios (under Hitchcock's direction I think?) for 7 years, as many actors and actresses have been in film. During Marnie, she decided that she wanted out of the contract, but Hitch refused. Tippi claims it was then that he said he would ruin her career, because he wouldn't release her from the signed deal so she could pursue other acting options. From one side, if she felt that he was dangerous to be around, I can see why she would want out of the contract, but at the same time, I can also see such a request being viewed as rather demanding at the time, as many actors had to work within the constraints of a contract. My main point of confusion was that she has had a rather long acting career, so I don't really see how Hitchcock ruined it.
@@8114梦见 - you're right. I should not have assumed your gender. But I disagree with Tippi's career. She's had a long one, but once she was out of it with Hitchcock the quality dropped drastically. I am sure he did try his best to silence her and mosyly succeeded since she didn't talk much about it until much later. Also women were not believed back then. They are barely believed now. Most in her position would have kept quiet. In fact we saw a repeat of that with Weinstein. The victim struggles through and deals as best she can so her future is not damaged. She speaks when she feels she can or must. Also that was a time when studios had much more control over everything to do with their stars. Just a few decades prior, the studio heads would force starlets to go on dates with eligibles to make a suitable story for the newspapers. Some (Loretta Young) had to give up illegitimate babies so the public wouldn't find out.
@@ebybeehoney And I'm not saying that her career has been the best, and maybe that had something to do with her falling out with Hitchcock. But she also wouldn't have had any acting career if he hadn't chosen her to star in the Birds; all I said was that I found that point confusing. I also mentioned above that I can see why, in her position, it would be difficult to have called Hitchcock out at the time, but I also think it is a bit unfair to do so after the man is dead, with no way to defend himself. I think that part of why some people are disinclined to immediately defame someone due to a sexual assault violation is rooted in the principle of "innocent until proven guilty". The main issue is that proof is very difficult to procure unless it is acquired very swiftly. It doesn't matter who I believe. People are easy to persuade/dissuade given the proper leverage; that is why the judicial system is supposed to be based around cold, hard facts as much as possible. Though I think who one believes is irrelevant, I do think it absurd to automatically believe the woman over the man, or vice versa. That isn't looking for truth, it is taking a biased side without question.
@@8114梦见 - I don't disagree with you, but women have been fighting such discrimination for centuries. You're talking about justice and most women are more concerned with survival. This system has been very slow to change. And only will as more and more older women come forward to show younger women they are not alone and can survive whether they are believed are not. You're right, some abuse the situation to try and gain benefits from accusations, but I tend to believe most actually are just telling their stories. She felt safe enough, finally, to do that. She didn't get money. She hasn't jumped started her career again. I suspect that she wants to protect her granddaughter more than anything else.
So, if the owner Of sock factory Is a sexual predator... To his staff. Do we stop wearing socks? Well, judging by the amount Of sexual predators there are... We will all end up naked. Making it easier for sexual predators. Where is the logic? In a straightjacket!?
I love Tippy Hedron and she endured torture. But I still like his movies. We should acknowledge what they did and appreciate it if we still do. We would hate JFK, Picasso, Thomas Jefferson, James Brown etc...
This whole thing is just pathetic. People are so lonely and bored they are literally going back 60 years to find offensive actors, directors, cameramen, stagehands ? What is next people ? Let me tell you a little secret that each and everyone of you all ready know. You have all done some really horrible things in your life, some more than others. We are all guilty of being an A hole. I'm not condoning any of this behavior, I'm simply saying if you want to be critic of these people, take a look at your husband, your father, your cousins and uncles. There's a 90% chance one of them has sexually harassed a woman in their lifetime. So why not cancel them ? Because you care about them that's why. You'll only go after people with no emotional attachments. Again not saying this is right. I just have an issue with people playing dumb, thinking it's only a few people in an elite class. Trust me I know all too well what sexual harassment is. I've just never tried to ca$h in on victimhood. Even the news is trying to cash in on it. They don't care about you. This company right here just paid out over 20 Million dollars last year in lawsuits for SH. That's 4 years after this even aired on TV. Let that sink in.
I don’t see why this is so difficult for people to separate an artist from who they are as a person. A lot of extremely talented people are jerks
What if a talented artist asaulted you, or someone you knew, would you still be able to separate the artist from his work? It's just a matter of degrees.
We...? Chill out, Gary. I'm sure your art is "great," but pandering to leftists doesnt earn you a job or paycheck.
Lets see if you can watch the cosby show without thinking of or getting distracted by bill cosby
That shows you value money not life u nutjob
One thing to remember about films is that they represent the work of many people, not just the director or the producer. They represent the work of writers, actors, cinematographers, editors, set designers, etc. If you trash a movie, it is the work of dozens of people being trashed. That's a lot of collateral damage because the director or one of the actors was a predator.
Shut up
@@tombryan1 What an intelligent response.
Read this Comment; because of the transgressions of a few, we junk tens of thousands of wonderful production staff and their work?!...who started this latter day witch hunt of yesteryear J'Accuse?....how far back do the accusers go and why would they stop there?...how do we, in 2020, know if there was abuse.. or not? Maybe men and women have different views...but the fact remains; do the accusers bring down the innocent pyramid because of one corroded block? Is that the objective?
@Stranded NYer Are you daft? Your response makes no sense. It doesn't matter how much creative control a director has, that doesn't negate the fact that thousands of other people rely on that film to pay their bills. If I just wrote my first debut film but the movie flops because the director raped someone, how easy do you think it will be for me to sell another script after I just wrote a flop? Why do you think the creative control aspects are even remotely relevent to this discussion?
@@Firebrand55 Call me crazy, but it might actually be best dealt with on a one-on-one basis of accusers and the accused to settle these things in real life courts of law. And if law won't do, try watching the movie In The Bedroom, it'll give you an idea how these things might play out otherwise.
I'm more than confident that there are men -- and more than likely women -- who bully and berate others because they are feckless against their own urges. And they should absolutely be dealt with.
So, hopefully with time going forward, we'll practice better aim.
Cant believe people are on here calling her a liar when we know what the industry was like. Especially back then when women didnt have voices.
But she is. Read the facts savehitchcock.com/
It's called misogyny.
David Mayhew it’s not when all proof points against her
exactly! back then there wasn`t such a thing as calling out someone for "sexual harrassment". the women who suffered because of men`s unwanted sexual advances had to bequiet and not tell anyone about it. even if they did nobody believed them. very hard times for women and minorities in general. Tippi is a wonderful woman who stood up to Hitchcock`s nasty harrassment and didn`t put up with it.
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She is still so beautiful. I hate that this happened to her
You say that as though it's indisputable fact.
Personally, I don't believe her but I haven't made up my mind for certain because I don't know the facts and neither do you.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 Yes. I agree with you. If you read the facts, it feels that she's lying. savehitchcock.com/ here are many of facts.
@@copperdog Only two people know the facts.
One of them is sticking to her story.
The other died 40 years ago.
P puh6tfrz it happened. This is way old news. She wasn’t the only one who complained about Hitchcock. His film crew witnessed a lot of it. Look it up
tee not true. The film crew defended Hitchcock.
Yes you can seperate it. Its not fair to the other cast and crew that was part of that art/project
True, but eventually some do learn not to be jerks. People are flawed by nature.
and we on,y have one side of the story related to a book being sold...
Exactly right!! Should people boycott The Birds because Tippi got involved with the casting couch, and in doing so, scrap Suzanne Pleshette?
@@MrRJMGREEN i would boycott the bird
Tippi's gorgeous, still.
The actress Tippi is so beautiful intelligent and such a respectful woman. It is so sad 😔 to know what she endure and suffered as an actress in this Hichkok film.I admire Tippi.💐 😢 Efrat, Israel.
Actually, I think she looks awful.
@@eddiedaniels5034 She'd looked better without the awful lipstick.
It's easier to say when you aren't the victims
99.9999999999999 percent of people aren't their victims.
You only a victim if you make yourself one
He's not here to deny it though. She had all those years to call him out, but, waited until he was dead and he couldn't defend himself and nor could any of his friends.
It appears she waited until 2016 to say anything.
Easy to accuse when no one is around to deny or prove you're wrong. She's still an actress and sensationalism sells.
Agreed
There is no denying that Kevin Spacey is a phenomenal actor. However, I will not be able to support any work of art in which he is involved.
Imperfect people can create great works.
The question here is: Does knowing an artist's human frailty cancel out their achievements ?
Does having the knowledge of their faults make it difficult to enjoy/appreciate their work?
Wagner, Cézanne and Renoir were anti Jewish to varying degrees.
It bothered me to learn this because I so love Cézanne's paintings.
Elia Kazan ruined the careers of his Hollywood friends during the time of the McCarthy witch hunt trials.
But On The Waterfront, Streetcar Named Desire and Splendor In The Grass are superb films.
I think it is necessary to disassociate the faults of the artist from the art.
Let the work stand alone.
Agreed
I agree, I think letting the work stand separate from the artist would be the best way to admire and appreciate the work itself. however, by doing this we take away the link between the artist and his work which is essential in many ways. otherwise, it would be very easy and convenient to appreciate art from completely anonymous painters, photographers or moviemakers!
Agree. Human beings are flawed…some more some less, no one is a God so we should not put anyone on a pedestal, but, great art or any great contribution to society matters and should stand the test of time.
Hitch in a bird cage posed as a bird. I love it. She’s a true artist. Hitch robbed us of a great actress.
Love how Tippi hadhim caged up. Lol
I know!!! That ending was a perfect analogy. It`s almost like saying "Hitchcock should only be kept in a cage!"
Of course a guy will say we can separate movie from movies.... he did not get assaulted!!!!😢
I love that she can separate the two and acknowledge that he was a great director. I don't think I would be that strong and mature.
The movie, "The Birds" still gives me nightmares when I see crows. Poor crows, it's not their fault.
Don't worry most Crows don't like people either, and hang out in graveyards. Needless to say they're one of the smartest animals on the planet.
If I was one of these celebrities who was assaulted by a powerful producer I would find it difficult to separate the assault from even the production not to mention the abuser. Their works of art would be forever tainted in my eyes.
Well according to these two we’ll just have to stop watching everything.
So sad what women have to go through just to make a living. All the trauma they have the rest of their lives. Why can't we just be respectful in the workplace towards everyone?
Ridiculous! Everyone with a grudge accuses anybody in Hollywood of sexual abuse now. It’s totally unacceptable that me too has lost any sense of measure!
No one else who worked with Hitchcock ever complained of any harassment at all.
I think it is very important to remember this.
P puh6tfrz yes they did they went no where but it ruined their career
@@janieevans7732 Who else allegedly complained about Hitchcock because Hedren is the only person I know of?
janie evans Documents show that Universal was the one that didn’t like Hedren. They didn’t see her as a bankable star after the flop of Marnie.
The last part of this video gave me the chills. I love Hitchcock films but I believe Tippy. It pains me though ☹️
belinda hinckley oh yea Tippi Hedren was basically tortured on that movie. One of the last scenes of the movie where she got stuck in the room in the birds attacked her and then she when it's extreme shock. She wasn't acting. He literally threw birds at her take after take after take. She was so traumatized from that that they had to actually stop taping for a few days. But I still love the movie.
belinda hinckley : The SICK bit is that he destroyed her career, like a child who doesn’t want to share his toys !!
The sabotaging of her career was indefensible, but to say she was traumatised, is how many people of both sexes feel during 'their work'- Hitchcock clearly was a controlling creep is areas of his life. I can understand how belinda feels -it does put a cloud over his films.
Same here...
Blacklisting art because of the artist is tricky. It means your erasing and editing the past, our experiences shape us no matter good or bad. The key is learn from them and educate people about the truth, so those bad things don't happen again to others. Evil will exist and continue to do so, as long as we bury our heads in the sand. This applies to all life.
Michael Jackson's music is still used to sell things.
I will always love mj for his humanitarian efforts and his legendary music
MJ is complicated by the money grabs. AND so-call victims changing their lies and making things up.
If Tippi can separate Hitch and his films...
Don't punish all of the other innocent people connected to the shows/movies, the cast, crew, etc., by taking away their income. Some of them may depend on those earnings. They did nothing wrong, and deserve to have their work shown.
You punish the individual. NOT the innocent talented people involved in the same works of art. How stupid can one blatantly prove to be?
Remember separation of church and state? Same thing with great work of art and skeletons in the closet. GET OVER IT!
1:13 of course they didn't see that side of him; they weren't Tippi Hedren
Hollywood Doesn't attract saints, it attracts self-serving narcissists. There are angels all around us. We just can't see them.
What about the Charlie Rose cover up, CBS?
Since when does ACCUSED mean GUILTY?
your an idiot dont reproduce !
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Richard Pancoast : Since there is a plethora of #evidence.
ProBeauty- YOU'RE Illiterate. Don't reproduce !
Since about three years ago.
Why do some people find it so difficult to believe a woman?
Just so we’re clear, nobody in the “me too” movement is suggesting we burn or ban these films or tv shows. It’s simply raising awareness that if you don’t want to support predators, maybe skip buying a rotten apple movie. Hopefully we’ll do better in the future at dealing with perpetrators of bad behavior rather than ignoring the people they hurt.
Donald Spoto wrote a biography on Hitchcock in 1983: The Dark Side of Genius. I read it in 1984. It is full of details on Hitch's dark tendencies towards his blonde actresses, especially Tippy Hedren.
So all of this has been known for 36 years. Hitch was abusive of Tippi. Not just by making clumsy sexual overtures (he never actually raped her), but by dominating her, molding her to his fantasies, by controlling each and every aspect of her life. Making her his living doll. Somewhere during the shooting of Marnie she decided not to play along. In revenge he destroyed her career.
I would NEVER go back to a doctor who molestated me; saying sex would have been great! So; why any other ASSailant!
Tippi was amazing in "Marnie".
A movie isn't made just by one person, you are shutting down the works of hundreds of people. This cancel culture is sickening. If it was up to that, we'd be left with almost nothing. What about the pillars where religion was build? Countries, languages, and so much more that have abusive and violence roots...
I watch the Cosby show but I’m not going to act like the world would be impoverished or I would be less of who I am if it didn’t exist. Its a wonderful show and gave us lasting lessons and memories. That being said, if not having The Cosby Show saved just one of the people who suffered at the hands of Cosby it would be worth it. Tf is he talking about suffering without westerns?😂
A sitcom first. Then westerns. What's next? Tristan und Isolde? Garçon à la Pipe? Psycho?
Tippi Hedren still looks pretty!, amazing.
Best ending ever!
To say that all art which was created by someone accused of sexual misconduct is now tainted is, in my opinion, a bit of a stretch. I've heard stories in the past about Hitchcock's womanizing, so nothing said in this report comes as a surprise, but I would still say his behavior is not on the same level as what someone like Bill Cosby has been accused of. I too grew up watching the Cosby Show, along with the Saturday morning cartoon Fat Albert. I also used to listen to Cosby's comedy bits many, many times, but to me they're now tainted and I don't enjoy them anymore. But I still enjoy watching Hitchcock movies even though I know Hitchcock was less than a perfect gentleman.
It's more like no one can tell me what I am supposed to think about any movie or anything else for that matter
Hitchcock's films always feature pretty blond women in jeopardy. Hitchcock was in control of those particular women as the director calling the shots.
Have you seen Rebecca, Notorious, Shadow of a Doubt?
Many great artists are dreadful human beings - sadly - Hitchcock seems to have been dreadful
in one interview she stated it all started when making Marnie and in another, she said it was while making the birds
That line “You might say Alfred Hitchcock will always have a place in Tippi Hedren‘s life,” was delivered in a cutesy way. Struck me as problematic.
There is a site savehitchcock.com and former cast and Crew members tell quiete different stories. especially they tell how Hedren did misbehave on the set and a lot of her stories simply are not true. She told AFTER the death of Truffaut that Truffaut had wanted her to star in Fahrenheit 451 but Truffauts Family and Crew say Hedren never had been considered for that part. She also Claims that Hitchcock did ruin her Career what is not true at all, she herself did ruin her Career by accepting after her starring roles in The Birds and Marnie a SUPPORTING part in Chaplins Countess of Hong Kong (Brando and Loren were the stars, Hedren had 15 minutes screen time) If you are a star and Play a supporting part you NEVER again get a starring part, remember Demi Moore? After her suporting role in Charlies Angels she never again played a starring part in an A List movie but only supporting parts in B-movies. Hedren some years later played in and produced Roar which had a worldwide big PR but wasn´t a success. She blew her Career, not Hitchcock.
YES!. It's sad that people believe everything Hedren says. Hitchcock is literally a "wrong man" in this. The facts play in favor of him.
No, it should not "extend to their most beloved works."
Amber will be 35 this year??? She looks at least 7 years older!!!! Yet Tippi looks nothing close to 88.
But amber is a lier Tippi not
I don't believe Tip's claims against Hitchcock now that he's no longer here to defend himself. I won't believe her until someone else comes out with claims, he worked with A LOT of female actresses. Ironic that her granddaughter played a role in Fifty Shades.
What's bloody difference does it make if you can't hear his voice say "I didn't do it?" The fact that he's dead has absolutely nothing to do with it.
2:35 we’ll, movies have hundreds of people working on them, not just movies pretty much any product could have a rapist or killer working on them so it’s not reasonable to eliminate products that are “tainted”… it’s a little different when a monstrous person is in the spotlight of the movie
That's what they are doing now with Captain James Cook. Erasing his recognition because he apparently killed some local people on an island. He still was one of the best explorers and navigators in history and that should not be forgotten or erased!!
Really tricky question regarding the separation of Art and the evil behind the end product because it's not all about sexual and/or physical abuse as it also relates to Race , Politics , Religion and Sexual Deviance . For instance. ..my deepest most firmly held thoughts about Racism , War , Apartheid , Hypocrisy and the Historical behaviour of certain groups of people are impossible to avoid unless I live like a hermit or live in a cave . I am confronted by subliminal advertising or newspaper headlines which offend me every time I go shopping and I personally feel my own rights are abused because I am an elderly heterosexual married mother and grandma which means I am nowadays considered to be in a minority. .....at least in a ( so called ) civilised Country . Could be a great debate but I think I would be shouted down , imprisoned or shot !!!
Accuse people when they are dead. What a joke!
It's always been this way. High Positions are wrapped up in High Avarice
No one is 100% good or 100% bad, just google "Gandhi sex life" and if you think the man was a saint, you'll have another thing coming... but there's no denial that he's one of the most important figures of the last century and an inspiring figure to the world. We all have shades of goodness or vileness or creepiness inside us... I just read some nasty stuff about Martin Luther King, of all the men... so yes, we should separate not the art from the artist, but the "who we are" from "what we do", some contributions are so grand and so significant that they do transcend the creepiness of the person... unless we're talking of a killer or a child molester or some war criminal... that's another story.
I think when Grace Kelly went to Monaco he filled that void with poor Tippi...
It's good to hold people and organizations accountable for their actions.
Why did Tippi Hedren work again with Hitchcock on Marnie? Did Hedren ever talk to Mrs. Hitchcock.
We don't know about the future, but being in a Hitchcock movie almost gives one a kind of immortality.
If Tippi Hedren didn't make The Birds we wouldn't be interviewing her today. And what about Suzanne Pleshette, didn't Hedren talk to her about the situation?
He viciously ruined her career! This is beyond the creep he was. It's criminal. Big disappointment for people with a CONSCIENCE! Something he was lacking in spades!
You shouldn't separate the artist from the art. EVERY artist pours a little bit on themselves in each project, no matter whether they are actors, directors, etc.
Rotten apples is a joke- I have a brain, I don’t need someone else to tell me what to watch n what not to watch.....
I bought her book in the dollar tree. I’m glad i did.
If viewers can't separate the artist's personal life from their on-screen work (whether it's behind the scenes or in front of the camera), then they might as well shut off their TVs and never go to the movies ever again, because there is no film to ever come out of Hollywood, that didn't have some wicked events taking place when the cameras weren't rolling. It's not called "Hollywood Babylon" for nothing!
There is no excuse for sexual abuse and being a big shot Director/Producer etc should not award them sympathy for the revelation nor minimise that abuse. Asking should their careers be minimised is deflection. Those poor men (not). That's not the point.
All humans are tainted, that’s why redemption is so important, and why we all need it, no matter your gender, race, politics or what your particular creative output is.
I would also demand to know if someone at my bank, my doctors, my supermarket, my workplace, my neighborhood etc has ever been accused of sexual assault!!! Or any other crime!
I don't care if he or she was convicted or not - an accusation, by anyone is enough for me!
SERIOUSLY???
"Trust the art not the artist" - Bruce Springsteen. Of course you can and should separate the art from the artist. Additionally this "women are my tribe" is low fruit nonsense. We are individuals, and we should be looked at that way. Women have not escaped sin anymore than men. No tribe is free of that.
It wasn’t one person that made any film, play, tv show, etc so there’s no need to destroy and blacklist something because a person was/is a monster. Is tearing down a monument to Washington or Jefferson due to the fact they owned slaves justifiable?
What an attractive lady, so elegant - enjoyed all of her movie's ⭐
Artists can be very narcissistic. The three artists I've known all were rude and dismissive. One was brutally honest, to a degree of being cruel. The other two were supreme gaslighters. I'll take a boring accountant any day.
"No film, no TV show, uh, no work of art is, um, paramount or that genius or more important than, uh, the physical bodies or the physical selves that have been wronged in the process of making that work."
I don't know. I'd say that any one of Caravaggio's paintings is worth more than Ms. Tamblyn. CBS should have gotten a fine-art appraiser to ponder this question.
StolzeFan I'm sorry, but lives are more valuable than money in my opinion.
Value is not money. It's talent, accomplishment, greatness and beauty. Caravaggio is nonpareil as a painter.
Everyone has the right to "shun" a movie or TV show. But that doesn't mean that those who want to watch the movie or TV show in question should be prohibited from watching it. You can try to encourage me to boycott something that you find offensive but you can not prevent me from seeing it. If we were to ban or destroy every movie or TV show, or novel, or painting or sculpture
which was created by an immoral person or which starred an immoral actor or actress, the world would be a desolate landscape of ashes and dust . Just say'n.
Hedren says Hitchcock never touched her. He only "verbally" hit on her and that seems to have traumatized Hedren. Give me a break. There's lots more to this than Hedren is admitting to, like maybe childhood molestation, rape sometime in her life, etc.
Get a grip try having an old married man tell you daily he wants to have sex with you and if you refuse he will ruin the career you have worked for your whole life.You spouting that rubbish you did totally shows how way to many men feel about it being ok to say and go after a woman even after she tells you no.Then you come back and minimize anything you did and put it back on the woman that she must have the issue.
Factual Error -- according to Tippi In her interview with Larry King. - Hitch taunted Tippi AFTER the Birds (during the filming of Marnie). This video clearly portrays it as being during the Birds. (Although, bad conduct is wrong regardless of the timeline).
Awful for Tippi and applaud her honesty. His talent and his persona are different things though.
if she were treated so bad why did she appear at the AFI gala in 1979 to honor him?
It’s great that she can write an autobiography 50+ years after the fact, however you’re only ever going to hear one side of the story. The man is dead for gods sake and he has been a long, long time. If she’s going to make accusations why wait this exorbitant amount of time? I’m a woman and frankly these women that are doing all this finger pointing decades after the fact, (yes you Janet Dickenson) are beyond deplorable. I don’t even believe close to half of them. Say something when it happens or don’t say anything at all.
Oh yes because if he was alive he would stand up and say I did it right.
Too bad her granddaughter is in that disgusting shades of grey movie! Even Tippi thinks it is disgusting! Maybe she should have told her granddaughter not to do it!
The question is do you think that these beautiful work of art were done because the artist was a horribly flawed human being? Artist like HP Lovecraft, Thomas Kincaid, Caravaggio etc.
Those director's work will be around long after this movement and its hashtags are dead and gone.
People fight for ignoring abusive but talented "artists", but who fights for all abused talented artists like Tippi Hedren? How many talented artists had to suffer and were crushed by this abusive industry? How many lives destroyed? How many pieces of art did we miss because of that?
You can only separate when they’re dead. I’m not going to knowingly put money in the pocket of a pervert.
I wonder if her daughter & granddaughter were subjected to the bad behavior also.
Great artists do not need to be perfect human beings. Very sorry.
I'm a little confused at the comments saying that Hitchcock ruined Tippi's career. I read/watched documentaries in which she stated that he plucked her from relative obscurity near the end of her modeling career, and then Hitchcock and his wife coached her in acting, after which she was leading lady in two or his films: The Birds, and Marnie. After these she went on to star in various TV shows and movies (over 80 altogether, albiet nothing as noteworthy as a Hitchcock film, but he is one of the greatest directors of that age), most recently starring in something in 2013, I believe. It always seemed to me that he jump-started a career that otherwise likely never would have taken off. I also find it weird that she would work with him again on Marnie if she had an issue with him during filming of the Birds. People not going public on sexual assault, especially against such a powerful name, is something I can buy, but I have a difficult time understanding why she would work with him again if she felt her person was in danger.
Clearly you are Male. Women have been working/living beside predators for centuries. Just to get by, not to mention following their dreams.
@@ebybeehoney Clearly, you are unsure of how to properly use the adverb "clearly", because I am female :/
And actually, I looked into the issue a little bit more, and apparently Tippi was contracted with Universal Studios (under Hitchcock's direction I think?) for 7 years, as many actors and actresses have been in film. During Marnie, she decided that she wanted out of the contract, but Hitch refused. Tippi claims it was then that he said he would ruin her career, because he wouldn't release her from the signed deal so she could pursue other acting options. From one side, if she felt that he was dangerous to be around, I can see why she would want out of the contract, but at the same time, I can also see such a request being viewed as rather demanding at the time, as many actors had to work within the constraints of a contract. My main point of confusion was that she has had a rather long acting career, so I don't really see how Hitchcock ruined it.
@@8114梦见 - you're right. I should not have assumed your gender. But I disagree with Tippi's career. She's had a long one, but once she was out of it with Hitchcock the quality dropped drastically. I am sure he did try his best to silence her and mosyly succeeded since she didn't talk much about it until much later. Also women were not believed back then. They are barely believed now. Most in her position would have kept quiet. In fact we saw a repeat of that with Weinstein. The victim struggles through and deals as best she can so her future is not damaged. She speaks when she feels she can or must.
Also that was a time when studios had much more control over everything to do with their stars. Just a few decades prior, the studio heads would force starlets to go on dates with eligibles to make a suitable story for the newspapers. Some (Loretta Young) had to give up illegitimate babies so the public wouldn't find out.
@@ebybeehoney And I'm not saying that her career has been the best, and maybe that had something to do with her falling out with Hitchcock. But she also wouldn't have had any acting career if he hadn't chosen her to star in the Birds; all I said was that I found that point confusing. I also mentioned above that I can see why, in her position, it would be difficult to have called Hitchcock out at the time, but I also think it is a bit unfair to do so after the man is dead, with no way to defend himself. I think that part of why some people are disinclined to immediately defame someone due to a sexual assault violation is rooted in the principle of "innocent until proven guilty". The main issue is that proof is very difficult to procure unless it is acquired very swiftly. It doesn't matter who I believe. People are easy to persuade/dissuade given the proper leverage; that is why the judicial system is supposed to be based around cold, hard facts as much as possible. Though I think who one believes is irrelevant, I do think it absurd to automatically believe the woman over the man, or vice versa. That isn't looking for truth, it is taking a biased side without question.
@@8114梦见 - I don't disagree with you, but women have been fighting such discrimination for centuries. You're talking about justice and most women are more concerned with survival. This system has been very slow to change. And only will as more and more older women come forward to show younger women they are not alone and can survive whether they are believed are not.
You're right, some abuse the situation to try and gain benefits from accusations, but I tend to believe most actually are just telling their stories. She felt safe enough, finally, to do that. She didn't get money. She hasn't jumped started her career again. I suspect that she wants to protect her granddaughter more than anything else.
Not showing movies?/same as book burning,or you talking money no more royalties if it was created with the suffering of others.
So, if the owner
Of sock factory
Is a sexual predator...
To his staff.
Do we stop wearing socks?
Well, judging by the amount
Of sexual predators there are...
We will all end up naked.
Making it easier for sexual predators.
Where is the logic?
In a straightjacket!?
Do what you want but I’m not going to filter all the art of humanity and end up with the leftover crumbs.
I love Tippy Hedron and she endured torture. But I still like his movies. We should acknowledge what they did and appreciate it if we still do. We would hate JFK, Picasso, Thomas Jefferson, James Brown etc...
She’s not the only one to call Hitchcock out. Vera Miles and Kim Novak had neutral to caustic things to say about him.
Huh huh, she said 'taint'.
how come they didnt mention Marnie?
So these SJWs are going to tell us whats ok to watch.
What an amazing woman!🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
I just learned about Hitchcock- oh man, I always respected him so much as a director. What a villain
Hedren , was promoting a book!
I would have liked to see more movies with Tippi. We need people to stand up for girls.
This whole thing is just pathetic. People are so lonely and bored they are literally going back 60 years to find offensive actors, directors, cameramen, stagehands ?
What is next people ? Let me tell you a little secret that each and everyone of you all ready know. You have all done some really horrible things in your life, some more than others. We are all guilty of being an A hole. I'm not condoning any of this behavior, I'm simply saying if you want to be critic of these people, take a look at your husband, your father, your cousins and uncles. There's a 90% chance one of them has sexually harassed a woman in their lifetime.
So why not cancel them ? Because you care about them that's why. You'll only go after people with no emotional attachments.
Again not saying this is right. I just have an issue with people playing dumb, thinking it's only a few people in an elite class. Trust me I know all too well what sexual harassment is. I've just never tried to ca$h in on victimhood. Even the news is trying to cash in on it. They don't care about you. This company right here just paid out over 20 Million dollars last year in lawsuits for SH. That's 4 years after this even aired on TV. Let that sink in.
Hmmm....Psycho indeed (Hitchcock that is, not Ms Hedren)
Gosh she is still beautiful as ever
Worst plastic surgery in history?
That black man is really weird looking and makes crazy faces.