its all about the patience you need to have between tipping your skis on their edge, and the moment you start using your knees and shin to push forward into the boot. the hip actually comes last, schifahren ist kniefahren
Tried CARV the other day and got a ski IQ of 132. I was so stoked. I'm going for 140 next weekend! I know I can do it! I did a few turns in the 140s but I just couldn't string a whole run together. I want that mountain master level so bad. These vids really help. My weakest area is edging and getting high edge angles and my outside ski pressure scores weren't great. I think that early edge engagement sets up the whole turn well which helps these areas. But even after 1 day I've had three "aha" moments using the active coaching feature. Although my best Ski IQ runs were all short turns (Rotary and balance are my best areas), I did some of the best carving turns I have ever done, and that was just one afternoon working on edging. I couldn't recommend Carv enough. So exited to be heading back up the hill.
I've learned ski carving on skis that previously had no shape (late 1990's) on rock hard snow in the USA midwest. The conditions in the video would have been a "powder day" in the general location. Regardless, I really never put that much pressure on the inside leg of the turn. The times I have, I get thrown off balance. Like wheels on a car, the inside wheel has to turn tighter than the outside to make a corner. Skis have fixed radius sidecut, the outside edge will make the largest radius while the inside won't follow the same line, requiring some scuffing of the arc. I always saw the two-edge carving awkward because it's too easy to lack appropriate pressure distribution between both legs.
Pressure should definitely be on the outside leg - but you still need to make sure you put that inside ski on edge to get it to go through that tight radius like you say!
I would expect a top level ski instructor to have a ski IQ of 150-160. While Ben is certainly a good skier, there is still an A frame, which is holding him back. Are there examples of different ski IQ´s and the actual skiing to reach this ski IQ in a dema video? What ski IQ does Ted Ligety have then? Must be over 200 :)
Ski:IQ uses a normal distribution, and is structured in the same way as the IQ score, with the median value just over 100, based on the average skier in our audience. As you move further from the center of the scale, the skill gaps between the numbers increase, so you'd expect to see a larger skill gap between a Ski:IQ of 165-168 (Ted's current top score), than 141 - 149. We hope that helps, but we have more information on our blog here: getcarv.com/blog/introducing-skiiq-hintertux
@@CarvSki I would suggest flattening out the scores from the normal distribution model to a linear model for the purpose of avoiding confusion and so that one can easily judge differences. As we, humans, have a hard time correctly quantifying differences in outputs based on a normal distribution model, linearizing the latter would make for more meaningful and digestible information. It would also ensure everybody is aware that professional skiers and instructors are in two entirely different leagues.
If Ben is on 150 ish and Ted is mid 160s, then there should be a hell of a lot of skiers inbetween, just on observing Bens current technique. If only 88 people are acheiving above 160 then the number in reality between 150 and 160 should be significant. Therefore, if the medium ski IQ of carv users is only 100, statistically your customer base is mostly lower intermediates vs actual dynamic or semi decent carvers.
I'm going to say this... Initial thoughts on Bens first couple of turns...forget CARV mate. Go get yourself some good Instruction before too many bad habits get ingrained into your skiing. CARV isn't bad, but CARV comments aren't easily taken in or action actioned by the skier alone without a physical demonstration and direct comparison to what the skier is doing compared to what are skier should be doing to improve. Actually, this is exactly what this video proves. CARV doesn't see what a good Instructor does. ( I'm not a ski Instructor!)
The combo of a good ski instructor PLUS the Carv data is the best combination for improvement, especially if the instructor knows how to interpret the Carv suggestions. Then Carv can be an amazing tool to continue to practice and improve post lesson.
@@garthcoleman7542 Yes, with an Instructor knowledgeable with Carv output - yet another qualification ski instructors would have to pass and be professionally accredited for - but I'm not saying that would be a bad idea!
I'm a wee bit skeptical that Ben went from 132 (that looked more like a 120ish IQ) to 149 (that looked like a 130ish IQ). That said, maybe he was killing some metrics that offset the A framing (low edge similarity)
Ben would be the first to admit that he's still working on his A-Frame, but he made some really positive improvements in his skiing over the day, we hope you'd agree
Ski:IQ uses a normal distribution, and is structured in the same way as the IQ score, with the median value just over 100, based on the average skier in our audience. As you move further from the center of the scale, the skill gaps between the numbers increase, so you'd expect to see a larger skill gap between a Ski:IQ of 140 - 150, than 120 - 130. We hope that helps, but we have more information on our blog here: getcarv.com/blog/introducing-skiiq-hintertux
sure, I'll go through that. I was expecting to find it harder to spot form issues as their "SkiIQ" increases, i.e. subtle errors to fix as you move higher up. 🤷🏻♂@@CarvSki
So it is not how good a skier you are but if you are above or below average. That is why I am frustrated. I gave improved greatly and this is seen in my specific scores but not in my ski IQ. Something wrong there
I'm sorry, there's no way in hell that is an accurate ski IQ. I'm not an expert or advanced skier but I've been using carv for years now and am stuck in the 130s and its much better than this skiing. He's skidding down the slope.
its all about the patience you need to have between tipping your skis on their edge, and the moment you start using your knees and shin to push forward into the boot. the hip actually comes last, schifahren ist kniefahren
Patience really is a virtue!
Love it! So good to film this natural progression and use the data from CARV to improve Ben’s skiing! Top work Ben and CARV 💪⛷️
Legend!
Tried CARV the other day and got a ski IQ of 132. I was so stoked. I'm going for 140 next weekend! I know I can do it! I did a few turns in the 140s but I just couldn't string a whole run together. I want that mountain master level so bad. These vids really help. My weakest area is edging and getting high edge angles and my outside ski pressure scores weren't great. I think that early edge engagement sets up the whole turn well which helps these areas.
But even after 1 day I've had three "aha" moments using the active coaching feature. Although my best Ski IQ runs were all short turns (Rotary and balance are my best areas), I did some of the best carving turns I have ever done, and that was just one afternoon working on edging. I couldn't recommend Carv enough. So exited to be heading back up the hill.
Fantastic work!
I've learned ski carving on skis that previously had no shape (late 1990's) on rock hard snow in the USA midwest. The conditions in the video would have been a "powder day" in the general location. Regardless, I really never put that much pressure on the inside leg of the turn. The times I have, I get thrown off balance. Like wheels on a car, the inside wheel has to turn tighter than the outside to make a corner. Skis have fixed radius sidecut, the outside edge will make the largest radius while the inside won't follow the same line, requiring some scuffing of the arc. I always saw the two-edge carving awkward because it's too easy to lack appropriate pressure distribution between both legs.
Pressure should definitely be on the outside leg - but you still need to make sure you put that inside ski on edge to get it to go through that tight radius like you say!
How tall is the ski instructor and how long are the skis? Can you provide this information?
WOO!!!
I've watched about10 videos with Tom, wearing 10 different outfits :D
He keeps us guessing
I would expect a top level ski instructor to have a ski IQ of 150-160. While Ben is certainly a good skier, there is still an A frame, which is holding him back. Are there examples of different ski IQ´s and the actual skiing to reach this ski IQ in a dema video? What ski IQ does Ted Ligety have then? Must be over 200 :)
Ted’s current Ski:IQ is 168. Only 88 Carv users currently have scores in the 160s.
Ski:IQ uses a normal distribution, and is structured in the same way as the IQ score, with the median value just over 100, based on the average skier in our audience. As you move further from the center of the scale, the skill gaps between the numbers increase, so you'd expect to see a larger skill gap between a Ski:IQ of 165-168 (Ted's current top score), than 141 - 149. We hope that helps, but we have more information on our blog here: getcarv.com/blog/introducing-skiiq-hintertux
@@CarvSki I would suggest flattening out the scores from the normal distribution model to a linear model for the purpose of avoiding confusion and so that one can easily judge differences. As we, humans, have a hard time correctly quantifying differences in outputs based on a normal distribution model, linearizing the latter would make for more meaningful and digestible information. It would also ensure everybody is aware that professional skiers and instructors are in two entirely different leagues.
Which piste in Verbier is this?
@CarvSki Thanks a lot for the clarification. I am looking forward to finding out my own ski IQ 😊
If Ben is on 150 ish and Ted is mid 160s, then there should be a hell of a lot of skiers inbetween, just on observing Bens current technique. If only 88 people are acheiving above 160 then the number in reality between 150 and 160 should be significant.
Therefore, if the medium ski IQ of carv users is only 100, statistically your customer base is mostly lower intermediates vs actual dynamic or semi decent carvers.
I'm going to say this...
Initial thoughts on Bens first couple of turns...forget CARV mate. Go get yourself some good Instruction before too many bad habits get ingrained into your skiing. CARV isn't bad, but CARV comments aren't easily taken in or action actioned by the skier alone without a physical demonstration and direct comparison to what the skier is doing compared to what are skier should be doing to improve. Actually, this is exactly what this video proves. CARV doesn't see what a good Instructor does. ( I'm not a ski Instructor!)
The combo of a good ski instructor PLUS the Carv data is the best combination for improvement, especially if the instructor knows how to interpret the Carv suggestions. Then Carv can be an amazing tool to continue to practice and improve post lesson.
@@garthcoleman7542 Yes, with an Instructor knowledgeable with Carv output - yet another qualification ski instructors would have to pass and be professionally accredited for - but I'm not saying that would be a bad idea!
I'm a wee bit skeptical that Ben went from 132 (that looked more like a 120ish IQ) to 149 (that looked like a 130ish IQ). That said, maybe he was killing some metrics that offset the A framing (low edge similarity)
La Tzoumaz!!!
What is the name of the tool that measures the ski iq?
Tom and Ben are using Carv to measure their Ski:IQ
Hi Tom do u roll your ankles correctly
I don't understand this ski IQ, come on, that can't be a 147! he's still a-framing.
Ben would be the first to admit that he's still working on his A-Frame, but he made some really positive improvements in his skiing over the day, we hope you'd agree
I'm not faulting Ben (I'm sure he is a sweet guy), but I'm trying to understand this scoring mechanism.@@CarvSki
Ski:IQ uses a normal distribution, and is structured in the same way as the IQ score, with the median value just over 100, based on the average skier in our audience. As you move further from the center of the scale, the skill gaps between the numbers increase, so you'd expect to see a larger skill gap between a Ski:IQ of 140 - 150, than 120 - 130. We hope that helps, but we have more information on our blog here: getcarv.com/blog/introducing-skiiq-hintertux
sure, I'll go through that. I was expecting to find it harder to spot form issues as their "SkiIQ" increases, i.e. subtle errors to fix as you move higher up. 🤷🏻♂@@CarvSki
So it is not how good a skier you are but if you are above or below average. That is why I am frustrated. I gave improved greatly and this is seen in my specific scores but not in my ski IQ. Something wrong there
I'm sorry, there's no way in hell that is an accurate ski IQ. I'm not an expert or advanced skier but I've been using carv for years now and am stuck in the 130s and its much better than this skiing. He's skidding down the slope.
Verbier CH is your hometown? but you're English, shouldn't be you from England?
Skiing without pulse is never a good idea😂
Ok. So this is not it! Carve videos should be renamed park and ride or crazy arms! Lol!
Not learning anything 😅
Sorry to hear that