I’m normally big into M+ but I’m dieharding t8 delves on multiple characters instead this time 😆. I figure when I’m geared a bit I’ll dive into M+ for the achievement.
this has been my favorite launch by far, absolutely ZERO feeling of needing to rush through the campaign, I took my sweet sweet time and didn't even play some days and STILL wound up being more than ready for raid day when it finally came
As a casual player who loves to play different classes and builds I am superhappy. I skipped the ratrace. Others are already complaining they have nothing to do or progress with their chars. Well maybe enjoy PLAYING the game instead of trying to be better than others ? It really is a mindset problem.
It’s cause the steamers are always in rush rush rush mode and the people who watch them adapt the same way when they aren’t even competing with them. It’s like enjoy the game and take it slow😅 it’s way more fun that way playing a game how it should instead of putting top player pressure on yourself when you aren’t a top player anyways
@@NoobGamer-di1dw yeah its like unpopular opinion : games are there to have fun 😄 but it is like societies race. For the next car. The bigger house. Whatever. So they basically work a job ingame and they don't even have fun BUT everyone can see their new mount. What many people don't realise tho is : most do not care. I don't care about your mount. 😄 i also don't inspect you.
There is always going to be a collective bunch who complain about WoW no matter what Devs do. I ignore them, and I think TWW has been a banger. I can't speak on anyone else but my experience has been amazing!
I'm with you. There is always someone that either bitches that things are too easy or too hard or whatever flavor of the month is! Either play or don't, stop with the complaining!
@@colinwoods5663This is a lot closer to Cobalt Assembly than Torghast. It was NOT an improvement. Hands down Torghast was one of the most engaging and fun expansion features, and each patch brought some new feature for it. I think the Torghast hate comes from linking Torghast to player power, it became a chore you had to do every week, and some weeks the particular wing you needed to do for quests might not be active. A lot of people just got burned out by the end.
@@colinwoods5663Torghast was actually fun but locking legendaries behind it was bad. If it gave heroic level gear like delves are it would have been super well received imo
I enjoyed this launch. I had early access, and I enjoyed not having to fight over quest mobs/items. I only get so much time to play anymore, and early access made it feel like a more relaxed pace for me. I liked how everything rolled out this season.
I’m a student who plays part time so staggering out the release of the beginning of the expansion has been great for me. I’ve been leveling 4 other alts to my heart desire after my main, but I’m ready to gear up my 566 ilevel monk and it doesn’t feel too late still
Returning player after 9 years..tried to return during Shadowands and didn’t like it at all…came back for this one and have been having a blast so far!!!
I loved the pacing of this launch. No rush to get everything done ASAP. I didn't mind the early access. I didn't get it, and didn't feel behind and i still made some gold.
I was part of the early launch crowd, and I thought the levelling was too fast in early launch for my taste. I like levelling a bit better now. As to the overall experience, I am mostly satisfied with the launch. Delves being new, I expected them to be a little janky, but they are definitely a keeper. I am very much looking forward to the 20th Anniversary patch. I could do without the early launch next time around. Now I did receive several bags in my mail, which I was clueless as to why until just now, thanks Soul!!!
I came into TWW about 3 to 4 weeks after launch. It took me about a week to get through the main campaign with some side quest mixed in. I am still learning something of a daily/ weekly routine in terms of what is on offer. I would say other than the prices on the auction house, this has been a really strong start.
I think Early Access was a really good idea for the simple fact that it lowered the strain on servers at for the most part that an expansion launch typically endures. I had an immaculate trouble-free experience throughout the entire early access period. I don't think it hurt the game in any facet, technically it helped the experience for most players, I think they should keep it moving forward for that simple fact alone.
I really loved the slow rollout. Made me not feel obligated to play a massive amount during first 2 weeks which is a huge deal since I just don't have the time with real life obligations
Idk, I don't have any strong feelings about the launch as a mostly solo/duo player. Delves do work for my wife and me. We have a pair we do delves on in a duo and toons we run solo since we don't always work the same hours. As an aside, we enjoy running the weekly follower dungeon for rep. It would be great if they take seasonal rotation into account. I'd love to run some old dungeons this way!
see the flaw is in the demand of time it requires if we had it sooner I could invest a week to be the best than the rest of the month could go to other non wow things
I really like the expansion but it taught me that I'm not a good player. I've been playing for over 10 years and have not felt so far behind everyone. I'm having fun so most times I don't care. Then someone will mention raiding and is shocked that my gear is too low even for LFR. But, I beat a level 5 delve with 3 lives left this morning. I'm quite proud of myself. It got me geared up (along with timewalking) enough to do LFR so maybe I can get those great vault options open this week. I don't really understand the vault, if anyone in the comments want to explain it to me.
doing different things gives you a piece of loot next week. doing more of the things can give you more options and doing harder content gives you better rewards. doing a timewalking or heoric instance gives you a reward and doing 2 delves gives you a reward so doing another 5 delve will give your delve reward higher ilvl. If you want to get into lfr buying purple gear from the quartermaster is an option i used on some alts targeting slots that have a low ilvl to raise the average. I hops this helped somewhat. if you want to have 3 options on the delve track you need to do 8 of them and if you do 2 5s and 61s one of the delve rewards will be delve 5 ilvl reward and the rest delve 1 ilvl. Also doing 5 timewalking with the quest gets you a normal raid ilvl reward and counts toward your heroic instance vault reward for next week so its good synergy for raising your ilvl.
Game mechanics (solo-friendly) changes are welcome. The story and voice acting are below Blizzard's usual standards. Let's hope they embrace the solo-friendly ideals instead of abandoning it when the next expansion comes out.
Definitely a casual player as I had a baby almost 2 years ago so I’m going through toddler years right now. Still working through the story and just unlocked all dailies and such. Don’t feel rushed and enjoying the pace. I plan to just use this as an alt expansion. Im not interested in having the BEST gear. Only want to play a class doing delves and maybe heroics until I’ve had my fill and move on. If that allows me to do the LFRs great, if not I’m not going to suffer through mythics.
I've been really enjoying the expansion so far, delves are really fun. My only real issues have been from bugs and QA, I think they could've taken more time to iron out some issues before launching because I see many things that were reported in beta that never got fixed.
Thanks Soul for the vids. My feels on TWW is that it's been a good one for everyone although I myself feel like there is too much to do, so adjusting my need to complete everything and take it as it comes. Delves are fun but I'll stick to the lower versions and I'm happy that there are higher difficulty for the players that can deal with them. 4/5 stars for Blizz.
I really liked the approach that was taken (early access aside). I do agree that some tweaks are needed. I found the extra time extremely beneficial to enjoy the game without the pressure to gear.
It is too early for me to determine if I am enjoying the expansion. WW is a good expansion built on DF's reset. I am a super casual player now so it is a nice way to spend some time on the weekend.
The delay to the season start did feel noticeable, for me personally I did my normal things, pathfinder, loremaster and then lost some momentum waiting for the season to start It also felt like there was a missing zone, I assume it will be the root area for the trolls but just the zones feel small and I think at least 1 more zone would have felt better, a max level zone would have upped the experience for me based on the story as is, its like we have done a prequel and now waiting for the rest of the expansion but thats helped by the story mode meaning something I usually dont do until the next expac is ready I could do now did get one of my goals, t11 solo delve, quite happy with that, Zakvir I need a bit more gear im still under 600ilvl I hope they expand and keep this feature long term.
TWW is great so far. Absolutely in love with the shadow priest hero talents, fits in perfectly to with the voidy aesthetic and finally got some good AOE. I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of attacking things by hurling a black hole at them 😂
Hmm...first. The only thing i didn't like launching in stages is that you finish the raid and dungeons before you finish the quests for them. Quests and story never should be time gated.
Really enjoyed delves until the season started. Did the mission that brann gives you and got rewarded for that, but no matter how many delves i run, bountiful or normal, i get no progress on the delvers journey bar.
TBH the only real thing to do is gear up and make gold right now. . .and I'm nearly at the peak of what I can do solo gearwise. So I'm just riding the holiday train of things to do daily until the anniversary event and after that I think I'll be ready to quit again. Game only holds my interest for a few months or so every few years but it's fun while it lasts. Looking forward to the games coming out soon towards the end of the year as well.
I'm the opposite, Dragonflight was about as bland as blank could be of any expansion in the history of the game and I've played them all extensively. Been playing for 18 years and the only time I took an extended break at any point in my life was after the launch of Dragonflight. The War Within is easily the most fun I've had at the start of an expansion launch since Legion and it's not even close. I understand that your experience is not the same as mine nor anyone else's, just mind-boggling that someone can be in your shoes, but that's you.
My biggest complaint is and they the same thing in dragon flight is to start season 1 with only four of the new dungeons . It’s a new expansion season 1 should always start with the expansions new dungeons .
Only real bad point about the xpac so far imo is that Delves either reward to good gear, or mythic+ rewards to bad gear. They are not at all on the same level of difficulty.
I think looking back, on balance, there is a lot to critique, particularly delves. I think the evidence is mounting that delves just is not intended to be the same progression system for everyone, balancing this to be a legitimate progression system for all player groups and skills levels is just an impossibility. That said, delves are quickly evolving to a weekly chore for mid/high skill players. It is NOT a legitimate endgame progression for even moderately skilled solo players. Not going to sugar coat it, delves have cemented themselves to be "end game progression" for lower skill players, healers and a few rare dps specs excluded. Here is why: - Skilled M+ and Heroic/Mythic raiders are done with delve gear rewards, the content was trivial for them and they pumped delves for the gear they needed for the real competitive content, particularly as a coordinate group. - These same skilled players will have a few more weeks tops as a weekly chore to have some 616 options in their vault or gearing offspecs - Midtier players, like myself are also almost done with delves, after just barely over a week bountiful delves yield little reward except to perhaps gear offspecs. Unless you got a map, delve rewards won't give you any reward for much longer except the weekly vault. So for the solo player that is struggling with delves, this is your endgame content that Blizzard intended, and that is a good thing. For the rest of us, your delve endgame is nearing an end for your mains before your second vault. It's not a bad or good thing, it just is. Soloing delves shine a very bright light on our individual skills and available time to play this game. Many of us really get cranky when our own deficiencies are revealed to us, and I have no doubt these are the loudest & angriest critics of delves now.
@@SoulSoBreezy Yep, for what they are and who I think Blizzard is making them for, I think they are very good. I think some us WANTED it to be something different or more challenge/rewarding for solo highly skilled players (i.e. mage tower) that don't want to raid or M+, but I just don't think that was Blizzards design intention.
I finished the story to get steady flying unlocked. All I can say is, I want to like it. The story was pretty short and felt disjointed. Delves are... a thing I guess? It just feels like Torghast again to me, but in smaller chunks and no Terragrue. Was a little disappointed that the main story quest wasn't enough to get my character to 80 (currently at 77) so I haven't really gotten to experience any of the level 80 things yet. I say this every expansion, but maybe I just need to move on? After 20 years though, It's hard to put it down.
I think taking some time to grab a few side quests would do you well. There are quite a few good ones. If you have gathering professions, you can hit 80 just by gathering. When you hit 80, there is more to the story campaign, which is great story and totally worth it. You can also hit delves or dungeons (normal or follower). There are more choices to get you to 80 and finally in this expansion, you can get side tracked without feeling like you can't do other stuff that catches your eye while you're playing campaign. I rushed to get steady flight and now I'm enjoying the chill doing my own thing. I'm currently leveling an alt by only doing professions and gathering. 3 days at about 2 hours a day and at 75. (Including auction house time!) Give it a try! There's more than one way to level. And good gaming!
For those of us that bought early access edition, and took off vacation time in order to play the opening week, the time gating on delve difficulties and profession knowledge really sucked.
Early Access should have been a thing you got for pre ordering any version of the game, not something you pay extra for. Anyone that pre orders is going to be playing that first day anyway so nothing would have changed for them if EA was done that way for TWW, but it would have lessened the feeling players had when the inevitable nerfs to leveling came in days after the regular launch and had a lot of players feeling they were being punished for not buying a more expensive version of the game.
It was a great launch, warts and all. They did amazingly well with a skeleton crew. I am very pleased with the game. My only complaint is how weak casters are in content versus melee classes. My mage who I have mained for more than a decade fights for his life against one mob that my melee can wipe out three of simultaneously with no danger. This is in comparable gear level. My mage has gear now, 1-2 tracks higher than my melees, and he is markedly weaker than my melees. Less damage, less able to take a hit, less viable in solo and group content. Less playable.
This xpax pace is great for casuals… the 95%… only people that aren’t happy are those top 5% that want to push high keys, push other high content immediately or those that only play wow 24/7
Has anyone done a deep dive on the numbers for the Delve track? Do any delves count or is it just bountiful? Do we have numbers on how much the track gains on say, a tier 5 vs a tier 8? The lack of actual numbers on the progress bar has been irritating for me.
iirc you get 150 progression points per bountiful clear, don't recall if it matters what level it is. any delve counts towards the great vault, just be mindful that the reward is based on the LOWEST delve run per requirement; for example if you run two delves on a character, one is a tier 1 and the other a tier 8, the reward will be a tier 1 until you run another tier 8.
Thanks! Yeah I meant the seasonal progress track that’s on the group finder tab. I guess I’ll have to clear 4 bountiful 8’s and then 4 bountiful 1’s and see if there’s a difference. It would be nice if the progress was inside one of the normal chests, like it is when you open a bountiful chest. Thankfully, the Great Vault is pretty good about telling you what you need to do to increase the reward.
Dude, I keep hearing people talk about this without realizing that the early access gave working people the ability to play. I work 4/ 11 hours days Monday-Thursday and because of the early access I got to play the game without waiting the entire week like Squidward watching you guys have fun. I didn’t even have to go out of my way to buy extra shit, I’m gonna be subbed anyway. Fuck man, I was subbed for a few years when I quit playing and didn’t bother unsubbing. I work hella man… People are like “it had no negative impact we can tell except causing fomo, so fuck this forever”. I’m glad I got to play on my weekend when the game came out. You guys are really mad about a flexible release date…
I tend to not bring up the "what about the working people" cause 1 - people work weekends too and 2 - that convo anyway is less about early access and more on when the release date is in the first place
@@SoulSoBreezy so technically most people working a weekday 9-5 or any typical work week benefited from being able to play on their days off instead of a weekday release that doesn’t cater to the growing elderly population of the game.
@@SoulSoBreezy Thinking about it more, I’m a part of the community and having the early access was good for me. Maybe I am just happy about being able to shift the release date, but isn’t that the whole idea behind “early access”? It’s accessing the game early, like before the release date and yeah as a part of the community, that was great for me. It didn’t really have an impact on the way I pay for my sub and I got to play on my time. The idea that everyone has weekends is kind of detracting my point that I have no actual time to play during those days. Anyone working a 10-12 hour day will attest. What you said made me realize it was even better for normal working people and actually amazing for me.
I want to be able to earn the m+ mount and the "cosmetic mog glow" through solo content like the delves,, so hard getting into groups for m+ when you dont have any friends or know anyone who can bring you along.
I think wow is finally recognizing that it's the middle aged people wow work now are more casual ans finally they are helping us, Is there some growing pains sure but it's a heck of a start I love delves as I'm casual and I solo most things
Hey Soul, love your videos man. The reason why Mythic wasn't open was because they wanted to push as many players as possible to try out the big new feature in TWW... Delves. They did this for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason I feel like they closed Mythic but fully opened Delves first is because they know alot of people blindly follow other opinions without even trying it first and wanted people to form their OWN opinion about the new big system. It even happened to me, I saw a few people trashing Delves and was MAJORLY surprised at how much I really enjoy them. Im glad Blizzard did it the way they did.. too many Sheep online nowadays.
Warband completion of TWW is NOT reliable for wq access: some wq won't appear on the map or will not be available at all if that alt hasn't done certain parts of the campaign, or certain side-quests to open them up! Because I had fun levelling different alts in different ways, it's obvious. Delves are still too difficult for some classes to solo eg dracthyr vs prot paladin. Overall, opening in stages gave a more relaxed feeling, an opportunity to explore different content some would have skipped. Follower dungeons and lore raid are great. The story was well told and enjoyable. Tons to do. Crafting from the warband bank will be better. I have a guilt vault full of stuff now empty, still to be returned and tsm estimated the loss at over 30 millions: I hope some returns. Loving TWW and adapting to the changes. Returning friends get overwhelmed, but they are having fun once they get the system.
I don''t plan on playing any more. After I lost countless items, worth millions, in the Guild Bank debacle I have lost all trust in Blizz, playing the game now just makes me upset.
CRafting still sucks. My fiance and I prefer vanilla crafting and we don’t bother with this crap. Otherwise leveling was good. Also we will never care about mythic plus. It wrecks the game and people like us who are the majority will just unsub and come back later.
I like it...just getting used to it..I'm playing as a cozy game I'm focusing on jewelcrafting..they need to launch the whole expansion at once.the delves launch was a totally failure even tho they eventually got it together..they should have opened mythic in the beginning and the delves..along with it .
My class has still not been repaired. The damage done to it in Legion and beyond is inexcusable. The game is almost good enough to keep me subbed. The class is not.
after the first month it's not worth continuing as a solo player, 4 delves per week is less content than some gacha mobile games and everything else is just chores to get keys
I got different groups of 580 ilv people (590 moonkin here) and we did T8 delves 8 times and people are still waiting for 610s to join them. Blizz can make all the mistakes they want, the biggest problem with this game are the players. Most players are just pigeons following YT tiers lists like dumb SS. It's just hilarious lol
my concern is that they leave delves in it's current state. I hate pugging and don't have 4 other friends that are available all the time for keys so delves are a good alternative to push higher content for hero track gear. We are all already full champion gear so they are quickly becoming irrelevant. Speaking of becoming irrelevant, they need to fix the world boss. After the first week of S1 it's become irrelevant because the gear he never drops is pointless without ever getting anything from it. That should really be a hero track item too because you very seldomly get something from it. Why make content if its useless right at the start. The next issue is that the changes to M+ doesn't feel great to me. doing a +5 or +6 dropping champion gear makes no sense. They are damn hard and I see people with almost 610 ilvl not meeting the dps requirement to kill certain bosses. Heroic raid is more forgiving than a +6 key. The amount of weekly content is great though, and delves are fun... But I feel like more casual players just don't really have a way to get hero track gear so while this is the most solo friendly expansion we have ever had, it's quite limited.
The modes are amazing; what isn’t amazing is that players themselves are being gatekeepers of every mode. Delves? premades are obviously gear level oriented and being treated as dungeons with ‘tank-heals’ with little knowledge of how Brann works. TW Raids…elitists holding those premades hostage; low key and zero mythics…the same. It’s not Blizzard, it’s player attitudes!
So far, unimpressed with TWW. Plus, I dunno about you, but since its release I haven’t experienced lag so bad since Vanilla. Been booted from Delves, Dungeons and PvP because of it. Its so bad I just quit playing for the day.
Early access was terrible. It killed the launch hype and ruined any chance of catching up with professions. On that note the profession and general gearing system is an overly complicated awful mess. What happened to just farming the mats for the item you wanted, such a simple system that worked. The current crafting system seems designed to sell WoW tokens.
People like to complain by nature, complaining about Early Access I think is just made up rage. It's even more hilarious when people get upset about it when it's a single player game and someone gets to play it three days earlier when it impacts no one but the buyer. So well said.
Paypigs that are happy to feed corporate greed deserve to be called out on it. Think the corporation won't double down and make it worse if there's money to be made? Defending these practices and they aren't even paying you for it yet its everyone else that is the fool. Right...
my main is 607 the next alt is 500 so gearing seems a little off also the xpac is 1 year so idk maybe a s2 is not really gonna be a thing unless we wana just no life wow
You can LITERALLY purchase ALL 564 pieces of the AH for less than 10kg. With herb/mining you can MAKE 40-50G/hr alone. Nothing is off, you're just not doing the bare minimum.
@@sps3r654 yea the point is the value of gear is roughly 0 since the value of roughly 100 item levels is nothing so with doing nothing I get by just fine or with roughly 2 weeks I can buy it. So we have s2 in a few months with do it all again 3 weeks later is s3 and 4 than a new xpac where we repeat
Really after you hit lvl 80 its over just left to do is gearing up what a boring slog that is. Yes the amount of online players has dropped dramatically because the game play is nearly non existent
I don't care for Mythic+ but absolutely love Delves. Can't wait to see what more they can do with it.
*music playing*
Let it die! Let it die! Stomp it to the curve and let M+ die!😂
I am not setting foot in an M+ this season. Toxic pugs, wasted time,... solo players gat to delves :)
I’m normally big into M+ but I’m dieharding t8 delves on multiple characters instead this time 😆. I figure when I’m geared a bit I’ll dive into M+ for the achievement.
If only they would fix the Delver's Journey...otherwise it's been great
this has been my favorite launch by far, absolutely ZERO feeling of needing to rush through the campaign, I took my sweet sweet time and didn't even play some days and STILL wound up being more than ready for raid day when it finally came
This has been my favorite so far!! Being a casual player, this has been the best way ever to play!! Love it!!
As a casual player who loves to play different classes and builds I am superhappy. I skipped the ratrace. Others are already complaining they have nothing to do or progress with their chars. Well maybe enjoy PLAYING the game instead of trying to be better than others ? It really is a mindset problem.
Has been my mindset since vanilla. Living my fantasy trough a game, love that
@@LiquidShivaz awesome ! 👊
It’s cause the steamers are always in rush rush rush mode and the people who watch them adapt the same way when they aren’t even competing with them. It’s like enjoy the game and take it slow😅 it’s way more fun that way playing a game how it should instead of putting top player pressure on yourself when you aren’t a top player anyways
@@NoobGamer-di1dw yeah its like unpopular opinion : games are there to have fun 😄 but it is like societies race. For the next car. The bigger house. Whatever. So they basically work a job ingame and they don't even have fun BUT everyone can see their new mount. What many people don't realise tho is : most do not care. I don't care about your mount. 😄 i also don't inspect you.
There is always going to be a collective bunch who complain about WoW no matter what Devs do. I ignore them, and I think TWW has been a banger. I can't speak on anyone else but my experience has been amazing!
yes, theres people that their favorite think about wow is to complain about it. if they dont do it they simply perish
@@nanda5869 Exactly!
I'm with you. There is always someone that either bitches that things are too easy or too hard or whatever flavor of the month is! Either play or don't, stop with the complaining!
If you are fanboy whos only comment are blindly praising game maybe you shouldn't write any comment at all?
Been having a really good time personally love the verticality in the zones and liked the story too.
Best Launch ever. There is no need to rush content. Love the idea of the story coming out weekly. There is so much content out to keep us occupied.
The “pop” of launch is something that I don’t miss. The same way that I don’t like going to the mall on Black Friday
Delves are the best thing blizzard has done in years
Lmao it's a spin off from torgast guess you loved that too
@@colinwoods5663This is a lot closer to Cobalt Assembly than Torghast. It was NOT an improvement. Hands down Torghast was one of the most engaging and fun expansion features, and each patch brought some new feature for it. I think the Torghast hate comes from linking Torghast to player power, it became a chore you had to do every week, and some weeks the particular wing you needed to do for quests might not be active.
A lot of people just got burned out by the end.
It's not mandatory and more rewarding compared to Choreghast
@@colinwoods5663Torghast was actually fun but locking legendaries behind it was bad. If it gave heroic level gear like delves are it would have been super well received imo
I enjoyed this launch. I had early access, and I enjoyed not having to fight over quest mobs/items. I only get so much time to play anymore, and early access made it feel like a more relaxed pace for me. I liked how everything rolled out this season.
I’m a student who plays part time so staggering out the release of the beginning of the expansion has been great for me. I’ve been leveling 4 other alts to my heart desire after my main, but I’m ready to gear up my 566 ilevel monk and it doesn’t feel too late still
Returning player after 9 years..tried to return during Shadowands and didn’t like it at all…came back for this one and have been having a blast so far!!!
I loved the pacing of this launch. No rush to get everything done ASAP. I didn't mind the early access. I didn't get it, and didn't feel behind and i still made some gold.
I loved the content cadence. Got two chars geared up without any "nolifeing".
I was part of the early launch crowd, and I thought the levelling was too fast in early launch for my taste. I like levelling a bit better now. As to the overall experience, I am mostly satisfied with the launch. Delves being new, I expected them to be a little janky, but they are definitely a keeper. I am very much looking forward to the 20th Anniversary patch. I could do without the early launch next time around. Now I did receive several bags in my mail, which I was clueless as to why until just now, thanks Soul!!!
I came into TWW about 3 to 4 weeks after launch. It took me about a week to get through the main campaign with some side quest mixed in. I am still learning something of a daily/ weekly routine in terms of what is on offer. I would say other than the prices on the auction house, this has been a really strong start.
AH is all over the place at the start to bait the FOMO types! Hopefully it gets better for you.
I think Early Access was a really good idea for the simple fact that it lowered the strain on servers at for the most part that an expansion launch typically endures. I had an immaculate trouble-free experience throughout the entire early access period.
I don't think it hurt the game in any facet, technically it helped the experience for most players, I think they should keep it moving forward for that simple fact alone.
I really loved the slow rollout. Made me not feel obligated to play a massive amount during first 2 weeks which is a huge deal since I just don't have the time with real life obligations
Idk, I don't have any strong feelings about the launch as a mostly solo/duo player. Delves do work for my wife and me. We have a pair we do delves on in a duo and toons we run solo since we don't always work the same hours.
As an aside, we enjoy running the weekly follower dungeon for rep. It would be great if they take seasonal rotation into account. I'd love to run some old dungeons this way!
I liked the slow release to give everyone to a chance to get ready for endgame
see the flaw is in the demand of time it requires if we had it sooner I could invest a week to be the best than the rest of the month could go to other non wow things
I really like the expansion but it taught me that I'm not a good player. I've been playing for over 10 years and have not felt so far behind everyone. I'm having fun so most times I don't care. Then someone will mention raiding and is shocked that my gear is too low even for LFR. But, I beat a level 5 delve with 3 lives left this morning. I'm quite proud of myself. It got me geared up (along with timewalking) enough to do LFR so maybe I can get those great vault options open this week. I don't really understand the vault, if anyone in the comments want to explain it to me.
doing different things gives you a piece of loot next week. doing more of the things can give you more options and doing harder content gives you better rewards. doing a timewalking or heoric instance gives you a reward and doing 2 delves gives you a reward so doing another 5 delve will give your delve reward higher ilvl.
If you want to get into lfr buying purple gear from the quartermaster is an option i used on some alts targeting slots that have a low ilvl to raise the average.
I hops this helped somewhat.
if you want to have 3 options on the delve track you need to do 8 of them and if you do 2 5s and 61s one of the delve rewards will be delve 5 ilvl reward and the rest delve 1 ilvl. Also doing 5 timewalking with the quest gets you a normal raid ilvl reward and counts toward your heroic instance vault reward for next week so its good synergy for raising your ilvl.
Don't try to keep up with the sweaties. There will be a million raids before the next xpack. You do you. The content isn't going anywhere.
You go at your pace. Congratulations on getting through Tier 5.
Game mechanics (solo-friendly) changes are welcome. The story and voice acting are below Blizzard's usual standards. Let's hope they embrace the solo-friendly ideals instead of abandoning it when the next expansion comes out.
The story is awesome
Definitely a casual player as I had a baby almost 2 years ago so I’m going through toddler years right now.
Still working through the story and just unlocked all dailies and such. Don’t feel rushed and enjoying the pace. I plan to just use this as an alt expansion. Im not interested in having the BEST gear. Only want to play a class doing delves and maybe heroics until I’ve had my fill and move on. If that allows me to do the LFRs great, if not I’m not going to suffer through mythics.
Delves had made all the difference for me. Absolutely love them!
I've been really enjoying the expansion so far, delves are really fun. My only real issues have been from bugs and QA, I think they could've taken more time to iron out some issues before launching because I see many things that were reported in beta that never got fixed.
Thanks Soul for the vids. My feels on TWW is that it's been a good one for everyone although I myself feel like there is too much to do, so adjusting my need to complete everything and take it as it comes. Delves are fun but I'll stick to the lower versions and I'm happy that there are higher difficulty for the players that can deal with them. 4/5 stars for Blizz.
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I really liked the approach that was taken (early access aside). I do agree that some tweaks are needed. I found the extra time extremely beneficial to enjoy the game without the pressure to gear.
It is too early for me to determine if I am enjoying the expansion. WW is a good expansion built on DF's reset. I am a super casual player now so it is a nice way to spend some time on the weekend.
The delay to the season start did feel noticeable, for me personally I did my normal things, pathfinder, loremaster and then lost some momentum waiting for the season to start
It also felt like there was a missing zone, I assume it will be the root area for the trolls but just the zones feel small and I think at least 1 more zone would have felt better, a max level zone would have upped the experience
for me based on the story as is, its like we have done a prequel and now waiting for the rest of the expansion
but thats helped by the story mode meaning something I usually dont do until the next expac is ready I could do now
did get one of my goals, t11 solo delve, quite happy with that, Zakvir I need a bit more gear im still under 600ilvl
I hope they expand and keep this feature long term.
TWW is great so far. Absolutely in love with the shadow priest hero talents, fits in perfectly to with the voidy aesthetic and finally got some good AOE.
I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of attacking things by hurling a black hole at them 😂
This has been a beautiful expansion. I have had a lot of fun. But I find my fun in every expansion.
Certified banger. Does tww have issues? Yes. Do the positives outweigh the negatives? Also yes.
I will be happy when they get around to repairing the massive guild bank problem
i have a feeling that Myth gear will never receive a discount, just Explorer to Hero.
Hmm...first. The only thing i didn't like launching in stages is that you finish the raid and dungeons before you finish the quests for them. Quests and story never should be time gated.
Really enjoyed delves until the season started. Did the mission that brann gives you and got rewarded for that, but no matter how many delves i run, bountiful or normal, i get no progress on the delvers journey bar.
"Delve Community"? We are the "Horrific Vision Community"!
TBH the only real thing to do is gear up and make gold right now. . .and I'm nearly at the peak of what I can do solo gearwise. So I'm just riding the holiday train of things to do daily until the anniversary event and after that I think I'll be ready to quit again. Game only holds my interest for a few months or so every few years but it's fun while it lasts. Looking forward to the games coming out soon towards the end of the year as well.
I am big M+ player and I think Blizz did a good job with the expansion.
Well.. i am actually already pretty bored. Did not have this with Dragonflight.
I'm the opposite, Dragonflight was about as bland as blank could be of any expansion in the history of the game and I've played them all extensively. Been playing for 18 years and the only time I took an extended break at any point in my life was after the launch of Dragonflight.
The War Within is easily the most fun I've had at the start of an expansion launch since Legion and it's not even close.
I understand that your experience is not the same as mine nor anyone else's, just mind-boggling that someone can be in your shoes, but that's you.
I think it was good that they delayed the releases in stages. Then there was time to experience the delves and get loremaster etc before M+ starts.
Your Bwonsamdi Shirt is dope
My biggest complaint is and they the same thing in dragon flight is to start season 1 with only four of the new dungeons . It’s a new expansion season 1 should always start with the expansions new dungeons .
the scaling seems way off in this expansion
Only real bad point about the xpac so far imo is that Delves either reward to good gear, or mythic+ rewards to bad gear. They are not at all on the same level of difficulty.
I think looking back, on balance, there is a lot to critique, particularly delves. I think the evidence is mounting that delves just is not intended to be the same progression system for everyone, balancing this to be a legitimate progression system for all player groups and skills levels is just an impossibility. That said, delves are quickly evolving to a weekly chore for mid/high skill players. It is NOT a legitimate endgame progression for even moderately skilled solo players.
Not going to sugar coat it, delves have cemented themselves to be "end game progression" for lower skill players, healers and a few rare dps specs excluded. Here is why:
- Skilled M+ and Heroic/Mythic raiders are done with delve gear rewards, the content was trivial for them and they pumped delves for the gear they needed for the real competitive content, particularly as a coordinate group.
- These same skilled players will have a few more weeks tops as a weekly chore to have some 616 options in their vault or gearing offspecs
- Midtier players, like myself are also almost done with delves, after just barely over a week bountiful delves yield little reward except to perhaps gear offspecs. Unless you got a map, delve rewards won't give you any reward for much longer except the weekly vault.
So for the solo player that is struggling with delves, this is your endgame content that Blizzard intended, and that is a good thing. For the rest of us, your delve endgame is nearing an end for your mains before your second vault.
It's not a bad or good thing, it just is. Soloing delves shine a very bright light on our individual skills and available time to play this game. Many of us really get cranky when our own deficiencies are revealed to us, and I have no doubt these are the loudest & angriest critics of delves now.
From this read it sounds like you completely understand what Delves are for and calling it very very good
@@SoulSoBreezy Yep, for what they are and who I think Blizzard is making them for, I think they are very good. I think some us WANTED it to be something different or more challenge/rewarding for solo highly skilled players (i.e. mage tower) that don't want to raid or M+, but I just don't think that was Blizzards design intention.
I finished the story to get steady flying unlocked. All I can say is, I want to like it. The story was pretty short and felt disjointed. Delves are... a thing I guess? It just feels like Torghast again to me, but in smaller chunks and no Terragrue. Was a little disappointed that the main story quest wasn't enough to get my character to 80 (currently at 77) so I haven't really gotten to experience any of the level 80 things yet. I say this every expansion, but maybe I just need to move on? After 20 years though, It's hard to put it down.
I think taking some time to grab a few side quests would do you well. There are quite a few good ones. If you have gathering professions, you can hit 80 just by gathering. When you hit 80, there is more to the story campaign, which is great story and totally worth it. You can also hit delves or dungeons (normal or follower). There are more choices to get you to 80 and finally in this expansion, you can get side tracked without feeling like you can't do other stuff that catches your eye while you're playing campaign. I rushed to get steady flight and now I'm enjoying the chill doing my own thing. I'm currently leveling an alt by only doing professions and gathering. 3 days at about 2 hours a day and at 75. (Including auction house time!)
Give it a try! There's more than one way to level. And good gaming!
@@meech9309 You're right, of course. Thank you for taking the time to write that. It is appreciated.
For those of us that bought early access edition, and took off vacation time in order to play the opening week, the time gating on delve difficulties and profession knowledge really sucked.
I think allot of old dungeon's should be able to solo. Like Sanctum of Domination. I really want that mount. So So Badly. Vengeance mount.
Early Access should have been a thing you got for pre ordering any version of the game, not something you pay extra for. Anyone that pre orders is going to be playing that first day anyway so nothing would have changed for them if EA was done that way for TWW, but it would have lessened the feeling players had when the inevitable nerfs to leveling came in days after the regular launch and had a lot of players feeling they were being punished for not buying a more expensive version of the game.
It was a great launch, warts and all.
They did amazingly well with a skeleton crew.
I am very pleased with the game.
My only complaint is how weak casters are in content versus melee classes. My mage who I have mained for more than a decade fights for his life against one mob that my melee can wipe out three of simultaneously with no danger. This is in comparable gear level.
My mage has gear now, 1-2 tracks higher than my melees, and he is markedly weaker than my melees. Less damage, less able to take a hit, less viable in solo and group content. Less playable.
This xpax pace is great for casuals… the 95%… only people that aren’t happy are those top 5% that want to push high keys, push other high content immediately or those that only play wow 24/7
Has anyone done a deep dive on the numbers for the Delve track? Do any delves count or is it just bountiful? Do we have numbers on how much the track gains on say, a tier 5 vs a tier 8?
The lack of actual numbers on the progress bar has been irritating for me.
iirc you get 150 progression points per bountiful clear, don't recall if it matters what level it is.
any delve counts towards the great vault, just be mindful that the reward is based on the LOWEST delve run per requirement; for example if you run two delves on a character, one is a tier 1 and the other a tier 8, the reward will be a tier 1 until you run another tier 8.
Doing tier 8 delves will unlock 616 gear in the vault. If that’s what you’re asking and it doesn’t matter if they bountiful.
Thanks! Yeah I meant the seasonal progress track that’s on the group finder tab. I guess I’ll have to clear 4 bountiful 8’s and then 4 bountiful 1’s and see if there’s a difference. It would be nice if the progress was inside one of the normal chests, like it is when you open a bountiful chest.
Thankfully, the Great Vault is pretty good about telling you what you need to do to increase the reward.
Dude, I keep hearing people talk about this without realizing that the early access gave working people the ability to play. I work 4/ 11 hours days Monday-Thursday and because of the early access I got to play the game without waiting the entire week like Squidward watching you guys have fun. I didn’t even have to go out of my way to buy extra shit, I’m gonna be subbed anyway. Fuck man, I was subbed for a few years when I quit playing and didn’t bother unsubbing. I work hella man…
People are like “it had no negative impact we can tell except causing fomo, so fuck this forever”.
I’m glad I got to play on my weekend when the game came out. You guys are really mad about a flexible release date…
I tend to not bring up the "what about the working people" cause 1 - people work weekends too and 2 - that convo anyway is less about early access and more on when the release date is in the first place
@@SoulSoBreezy so technically most people working a weekday 9-5 or any typical work week benefited from being able to play on their days off instead of a weekday release that doesn’t cater to the growing elderly population of the game.
@@SoulSoBreezy Thinking about it more, I’m a part of the community and having the early access was good for me. Maybe I am just happy about being able to shift the release date, but isn’t that the whole idea behind “early access”? It’s accessing the game early, like before the release date and yeah as a part of the community, that was great for me. It didn’t really have an impact on the way I pay for my sub and I got to play on my time.
The idea that everyone has weekends is kind of detracting my point that I have no actual time to play during those days. Anyone working a 10-12 hour day will attest. What you said made me realize it was even better for normal working people and actually amazing for me.
I want to be able to earn the m+ mount and the "cosmetic mog glow" through solo content like the delves,, so hard getting into groups for m+ when you dont have any friends or know anyone who can bring you along.
I think wow is finally recognizing that it's the middle aged people wow work now are more casual ans finally they are helping us, Is there some growing pains sure but it's a heck of a start I love delves as I'm casual and I solo most things
I don't care everyone who loves method plus is the reason.I don't get all the dungeons.I used to get when I first started playing
Hey Soul, love your videos man. The reason why Mythic wasn't open was because they wanted to push as many players as possible to try out the big new feature in TWW... Delves. They did this for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason I feel like they closed Mythic but fully opened Delves first is because they know alot of people blindly follow other opinions without even trying it first and wanted people to form their OWN opinion about the new big system. It even happened to me, I saw a few people trashing Delves and was MAJORLY surprised at how much I really enjoy them. Im glad Blizzard did it the way they did.. too many Sheep online nowadays.
Warband completion of TWW is NOT reliable for wq access: some wq won't appear on the map or will not be available at all if that alt hasn't done certain parts of the campaign, or certain side-quests to open them up! Because I had fun levelling different alts in different ways, it's obvious. Delves are still too difficult for some classes to solo eg dracthyr vs prot paladin. Overall, opening in stages gave a more relaxed feeling, an opportunity to explore different content some would have skipped. Follower dungeons and lore raid are great. The story was well told and enjoyable. Tons to do. Crafting from the warband bank will be better. I have a guilt vault full of stuff now empty, still to be returned and tsm estimated the loss at over 30 millions: I hope some returns. Loving TWW and adapting to the changes. Returning friends get overwhelmed, but they are having fun once they get the system.
But they need to have valorstones dropping from everything.and in a high amount..
M+ should have been out week earlier or maybe even faster 😉
I don''t plan on playing any more. After I lost countless items, worth millions, in the Guild Bank debacle I have lost all trust in Blizz, playing the game now just makes me upset.
Bye FELICIA..MAKE SURE YOU DON'T COME BACK
That sucks but nothing Blizzard can do about it anymore like they said. It's either move along or dwell in your loss for eternity.
CRafting still sucks. My fiance and I prefer vanilla crafting and we don’t bother with this crap. Otherwise leveling was good. Also we will never care about mythic plus. It wrecks the game and people like us who are the majority will just unsub and come back later.
I like it...just getting used to it..I'm playing as a cozy game I'm focusing on jewelcrafting..they need to launch the whole expansion at once.the delves launch was a totally failure even tho they eventually got it together..they should have opened mythic in the beginning and the delves..along with it .
My class has still not been repaired. The damage done to it in Legion and beyond is inexcusable. The game is almost good enough to keep me subbed. The class is not.
I thought i was the only one feeling leveling was too slow
I never understood people that cry and complain about the game yet they still play it or make a complaint comment's lol bunch of weirdo's
after the first month it's not worth continuing as a solo player, 4 delves per week is less content than some gacha mobile games and everything else is just chores to get keys
I got different groups of 580 ilv people (590 moonkin here) and we did T8 delves 8 times and people are still waiting for 610s to join them. Blizz can make all the mistakes they want, the biggest problem with this game are the players. Most players are just pigeons following YT tiers lists like dumb SS. It's just hilarious lol
my concern is that they leave delves in it's current state. I hate pugging and don't have 4 other friends that are available all the time for keys so delves are a good alternative to push higher content for hero track gear. We are all already full champion gear so they are quickly becoming irrelevant. Speaking of becoming irrelevant, they need to fix the world boss. After the first week of S1 it's become irrelevant because the gear he never drops is pointless without ever getting anything from it. That should really be a hero track item too because you very seldomly get something from it. Why make content if its useless right at the start. The next issue is that the changes to M+ doesn't feel great to me. doing a +5 or +6 dropping champion gear makes no sense. They are damn hard and I see people with almost 610 ilvl not meeting the dps requirement to kill certain bosses. Heroic raid is more forgiving than a +6 key. The amount of weekly content is great though, and delves are fun... But I feel like more casual players just don't really have a way to get hero track gear so while this is the most solo friendly expansion we have ever had, it's quite limited.
The modes are amazing; what isn’t amazing is that players themselves are being gatekeepers of every mode. Delves? premades are obviously gear level oriented and being treated as dungeons with ‘tank-heals’ with little knowledge of how Brann works. TW Raids…elitists holding those premades hostage; low key and zero mythics…the same. It’s not Blizzard, it’s player attitudes!
Brewfest is a fcking joke only a transmog shield 🛡 give me a break
I highly dislike the caster change in dungeons. It is way to much, does not help that every mob suddenly is a spellcaster... Annoying to tank!
So far, unimpressed with TWW.
Plus, I dunno about you, but since its release I haven’t experienced lag so bad since Vanilla.
Been booted from Delves, Dungeons and PvP because of it. Its so bad I just quit playing for the day.
Delves are just better versions of 5 mans . 5 mans should be replaced with delves
I find tww worse than DF
Early access was terrible. It killed the launch hype and ruined any chance of catching up with professions. On that note the profession and general gearing system is an overly complicated awful mess.
What happened to just farming the mats for the item you wanted, such a simple system that worked. The current crafting system seems designed to sell WoW tokens.
O no no no... mythic 0 is perfect. Normal and heroics are a joke difficulty wise.
caring about early access is a made up internet thought. most people bitching openly online spend $30 a day on coffee.
People like to complain by nature, complaining about Early Access I think is just made up rage. It's even more hilarious when people get upset about it when it's a single player game and someone gets to play it three days earlier when it impacts no one but the buyer.
So well said.
Paypigs that are happy to feed corporate greed deserve to be called out on it. Think the corporation won't double down and make it worse if there's money to be made? Defending these practices and they aren't even paying you for it yet its everyone else that is the fool. Right...
my main is 607 the next alt is 500 so gearing seems a little off also the xpac is 1 year so idk maybe a s2 is not really gonna be a thing unless we wana just no life wow
Maybe I play more or just get lucky, but I have alts I haven’t even leveled yet that have 571-577 gear sitting in there bags waiting on them.
@@keithb6344 Even then ~560 greens are cheap enough to get you into heroics.
@@keithb6344 well its not an issue since I fly out of dorn use my lure and im able to kill it just fine, its just weird
You can LITERALLY purchase ALL 564 pieces of the AH for less than 10kg. With herb/mining you can MAKE 40-50G/hr alone. Nothing is off, you're just not doing the bare minimum.
@@sps3r654 yea the point is the value of gear is roughly 0 since the value of roughly 100 item levels is nothing so with doing nothing I get by just fine or with roughly 2 weeks I can buy it. So we have s2 in a few months with do it all again 3 weeks later is s3 and 4 than a new xpac where we repeat
Algorithm squad? I’m not just here to make up the numbers, I watch because the content is good - please don’t denigrate my participation.
Really after you hit lvl 80 its over just left to do is gearing up what a boring slog that is. Yes the amount of online players has dropped dramatically because the game play is nearly non existent
Feels like a mobile game and the dungeons are the worst of any expansion to date, total trash.
I think it’s an unpopular opinion; I hate the music in this expansion. After enjoying it so friggin much in DF, I mute it now.