Things that I didn't specifically highlight in the Video generally Or Special interaction section due to length and common sense 1. ALL Energies are the same? •Mental/Spirit energy by itself is not chakra. Physical Energy by itself is not chakra. Nature energy by itself is not chakra. Even the thing known as chakra has different types which have distinctly different attributes (sage chakra vs regular chakra). Different energies & even different forms of chakra exist within the naruto world but you think you can just equalize across universes? That’s silly. Not even to further a mention the fact there is LITERALLY a chakra network. So you are even literally trying to add something to their body. Haki and chakra are two separate things. That doesn’t change simply because you want convenience 2. Access to other 8 tailed beasts chakra? • No specific role/influence emphasized in boruto • No Special interaction 3. Rasenshurikens Generally • Cutting: To Cut luffy it needs cut through his armament Haki (which depends on how hard it hits… which I have a section for) • Expansion: Can be entirely anticipated via future sight (which I mentioned at the end of the the how hard it hits section)
4. Lava and Boil Release Rasenshuriken (Burn Damage): • Luffy has high burn resistance (Which I SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the durability section) Again Note: Kaido's blast breath EVAPORATED a mountain. and left it smoldering. Luffy tanked that. Multiple times. 5. Wind release Rasenhuriken (Cellular Level Attack) • At the Cellular level it cuts the CHAKRA NETWORK. Luffy has no CHAKRA NETWORK. No relevance to the fight 6. All other Rasenshurkens (magnet release, ink release, etc) • Not sure what Special interaction they added 7. Any attack that I didn't specifically name but may have some relevant special interaction • 58:22 - 58:35 8. Your favorite pixel scaled version of a feat in the video or some other feat was not included? • 45:01 - 45:21
Also rasenshuriken would work on Luffy even though he has no chakra network, in Naruto it only effects the chakra network because their chakra networks are intertwined with every cell in their bodies. What the attack really attacks is the cells in the body as stated by Tsunade. So even if the target doesn't have a chakra network it will still attack their cells.
@@Steinixos Ok where does it say it specifically attacks the chakra network and not the cells. I don't see that in the databook anywhere and Tsunade said it attacks every cell in the body. I checked the wiki and it says " The wind blades pierce every cell in the body, disconnecting them from the Chakra circulatory system", this is backing up the point I made, it would still cut luffy on a cellular level it just wont prevent him from using chakra because he doesn't have it or a chakra network in the first place.
@@nf5322 literally stated in your own reply " The wind blades pierce every cell in the body, disconnecting them from the Chakra circulatory system" thats all it does at a cellular level. Which is not relevant to this fight And as I said obviously it still cuts generally (which I already addressed)
I just clicked this video, and had NO IDEA I was about to attend a college course on Naruto Vs Luffy. I wish I was as intrigued in school as I am with anime battles lmao. Edit: Wow I’m still impressed as the video goes on. Definitely earned a subscription I know this took a long time to make.
Didn't earn a subscription the blasphemy stated is unsupported meaning he is spreading false information. He downplays naruto to the upmost while upscaling luffy.
@@joeyskywalker1322 Hmm, well you're right in a way. A zoans healing factor works in a weird way. It kind of works like how Luffy started his heart back up when he died. His version is more extreme than normal, but when you defeat them, their vitality starts coming back and then they get back up. So far, the only way we've seen to stop them from doing this is by inflicting so much damage that they can't get back up, but that just puts them out of the fight. Like king and queen, they'll be up and moving like when they went to Udon prison. They were still hurt, but not as hurt as they should have been. Since Luffy has a mythical zoan, we don't know how that modifies his healing factor yet, as he just awakened and is...spoiler...meeting Vegapunk, the person who knows the most about devil fruits. Oda said we'll know everything when we see Vegapunk.
@@DemonAshura He wasn’t healed he just got a power up what wound was given to Luffy that he healed from lol Naruto literally healed having a hand shoved threw his chest as a kid
There are other factors about their way of fighting that you could have taken into account. There's also the fact that Gear 5 and Haki both become exponentially stronger as the battle continues.
Yeah, but to be fair haki only gets stronger when you fight a haki user equal or better than you, since Naruto characters don't use haki idk if it can grow in that context
@Elchinodawn if Luffy can use haki that means in general Luffy will win sense Naruto has none Luffy would make him faint if the man doesn't have strong will power
Yeah you forgot that Luffy can not use Gear 5 for long or even gear 4 for long. He literally needs someone to carry him around for 10 minutes while he recharges. You would've know that if you weren't so bent on being biased towards Naruto
@@ave383 when does it stat that luffy cant go gear 5 as long? are you watching the same anime? Luffy has unlimited potential due to his imagination. do your research before talking big!
This is one of the best anime channels I've ever seen in my life. The level of in-depth research and work put into this is astonishing. It puts Death Battle/Rooster Teeth to shame. I can't believe it took me this long to stumble across it. You deserve a million subs. Good day to you sir. I would like to add that most people upset in the comments about Luffy being talked about much more than Naruto have to understand how much longer than Naruto One Piece is. It's more than twice as long now as Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. There were just more feats to discuss and more scaling to do. Especially because I don't believe that most people realize how powerful Luffy was all the way back in Orange Town. Don't let your emotional attachment to how powerful you think your favorite fictional character is compared to another fictional character make you act like an ass to innocent strangers.
He deserves nothing. This is what happens when you ask a one piece fan to do naruto vs luffy. Naruto is said to be fast as lightning raikage who travels at the speed of light . Which goes way far beyond any speed luffy may dream of. Luffy has been outmatched by the likes of Katakuri is speed . Observation, luffy can not continuously see in the future so argument is null , he can for some attacks not for all. See fight with kata, Kaido for example . Plus even if hoe fast would his body reacts to speed of light? Naruto is known to be corny and clever. Most of his fights he out matched his opponents in strategy this guy did not take that into account, naruto can use sage mode in conjunction with kurama mode which help in detecting attacks directions pretty much like observation haki ! Plus throughout the series naruto had to keep up with warriors who seems to see the future with their eyes luffy observation haki would be a problem. Naruto takes the win. STOP OVERRATING LUFFY. This dude has become the most overrated character along with saitama
@@zetsupain Luffy called Light Speed Beams "Too slow" Just after Time Skip 500 Chapters later after getting Stronger and Faster he got easily Blitzed by Kaido and called Kaido "Too fast" and then later on Luffy got even Faster than Kaido so explain how Luffy is not Massively FTL?
Luffy might be the only guy I know who can take a fat hole to his stomach and then eat a village's supply of meat and his body heals nearly instantly. Why wait for the hole to close, when you can push the rubber on the other side outward by overstuffing yourself? 😂 Love that guy
@@someyeeterontheblock2421 even people in one piece think its supernatural when they see luffy recover from a hole in his chest in 1 night and heal 6 broken ribs,cracked skull,3 broken teeth and a shattered leg with milk😂😂
I used to ride Naruto. But as I started to catch up on One Piece and look at scaling, I've realized that Luffy has tons of layers of hax that he can whip out at a drop of a hat.
@@insight1239 haki is better than most of there hax ryou is dura neg U see into the future with observation and conquers can knock out thousands of people at once and it can be activated while Ur knocked out U don't have to directly hit people with conquers coating
@@hororangihika8449 safe mode allows you to hit someone without touching them Nine tails can take over for Naruto when he’s knocked out Conqueror is kinda weak in a situation when you’re fighting a strong person Sage mode can also make you sense things that could happen before they do(Madara’s beam) So like yh Not to mention Sharingan and Rinnegan
@@insight1239 Naruto dosnt have Sharingan or rineagan and as explained in the video he can only sense people with chakra so that wouldn't even work in the first place
after watching noodles ,I can finally say that Naruto fan literally like to powerscale a simile statement. I wonder how they react to "Your beauty gazes in the whole universe ,like a burning star" lmao
Whoa there. While I completely disagree with noodles, he didn't just take a statement out of context. He gathered a lot of arguments that alone don't seem right, but when you put them together build a cool picture. I thinks he's absolutely wrong, but the gigawank video was pretty good
@@Jonah-c6z Lol same noodles who thinks a spear is a blunt force attack, talks over the whole video denying facts with his friends, gets Narutos speed absolutely wanked with no EVIDENCE, Claims he’s multiversal, can’t even understand blatant rubber, says toneris moon split is planetary, and I believe he said the ice continent feat was “mountain level” but go off 🤡
All of you naruto fans are complaining he downplayed luffy most of the times and exaggerated narutos claims and luffy still pulled the W Edit: thank you for the likes
he massively downplayed Naruto wdym? there are many higher scale metas for NAruto but he always takes the highest OP interpretation he always uses from his previous videos. he didnt accept Kurama turning the world to ash guide statement, but when it comes to Whitebeard he says its def isnt a hyperbole cuz Sengoku expierenced and islands were shaking... make it make sense
@@bennogb5069 Tell me one time Oda has stated something in the databook over 50 times as a hyperbole. Whitebeard is the strongest man, but u don’t believe he’s planetary (technically star) even though everyone around him is already that level? And obviously he didn’t accept Kurama turning the world into ash. Kurama has nothing to do with powers or abilities that involve turning shit to ash, and it was only stated once, unlike WB who has like 20 statements.
@@bennogb5069 nope if your actually watched the video you would see he fucking downplayed him the whole time don’t go crying when you haven’t even watched the video
You know I’m always interested in hearing what you have to say man. I even left out some things specifically to see if you’d cover them in your comment lol
@@Steinixos I give both of you some respect lol. Despite criticism and bias talking that you guys get for defending one piece; both of you still continue to forward. I know I'm late for this naruto vs luffy, from watching this video; I do believe luffy would beat naruto and even if naruto is planet buster , luffy would still destroyed him. One thing I can asked - wouldn't naruto seal work on Luffy and easily won the match or no ?
@@Steinixos Naruto very very very easily tanked a moon splitting attack with not even a visible scratch so even if luffy does ryou naruto would probably take a generous 5x damage because internal damage. Which still wouldn’t do much because even a moon level attack did nothing to naruto and as mentioned in the video luffy has multi-continental ap so even if naruto got scratched from the moon level attack and then multiplied times 5, it’s still not a lot of damage I don’t see luffy doing a whole lot. Plus naruto also has moon level ap as said in the video and can also use frog strike which bypasses durability as seen in the video, so luffy would be getting hit with moon level attacks from the inside. Plus luffy doesn’t have good internal durability like kaido because he hasn’t been fight ryuo users.
i’m going to respectfully disagree, 1. he didn’t bring up rasenshuriken destruction on a cellular level 2. Narutos clones don’t have the will power to stand up to conquerors? that’s cap 3. haku has the first light speed feats in naruto so narutos rxn and movement speed with 1 tail cloak is sol 4. lastly naruto also has precognition in sage mode they call it danger sensing
@@SocksDXebec Rasenshuriken attacks the chakra network. Luffy doesn't have a chakra network. furthermore. the rasenshuriken would need to cut through luffy's haki You can disagree with willpower thing if you want, thats why i said "I think most people would agree" 1 cloak naruto is light speed because haku? LOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Naruto has precog because he can sense danger? LOL man sensing danger = seeing into the future? Cool
@@Steinixos what makes it limited to the chakra network? it also destroys the chakra network because it literally destroys (cuts) all the cells within its range and we know this is taking off luffys limbs if he gets hit by one based on sheer cutting power alone and yes clearly haku is the first light speed feat to be shown also just shitting on the data book isn’t helping your case you’re saying kishimoto is hyperbolizing it but don chinjao portrayal isn’t lol clones are a moot point 100 clones (all kakashi level in chakra) would overwhelm luffy im saying current Naruto sage mode is enough for luffy let alone kcm2 or baryon mode c’mon now again we don’t know how long gear 5th lasts
2:00 you could have talked about Buggy's Muggy Ball which has the same power as his Buggy Ball and yet only produces rather small explosion (higher AP than DC).
@@Steinixos you low balled naruto so ducking hard debate me if you want ,you scale luffy planetery just because of a statement but not naruto are you serious
THANK YOU for making this. So many people are just going off of vsbattle wiki profiles instead of the actual FULL context of both characters. I just went and looked at some other Luffy vs Naruto videos and every last one of them without fail completely misrepresented Luffy and Naruto in ways that make Naruto look stronger. You took into account the full context of everything here and officially proved why Luffy wins without a shadow of a doubt. No bias. Just facts. This is the best Luffy vs Naruto video on the internet. Straight up. Some extra points(Sorry if I missed anything): -The Noah Feat: This one is way more impressive than people give it credit for. Noah itself was an extremely durable ship. It literally crashed into an undersea mountain, and destroyed said mountain without getting so much as a scratch or a dent(Chapter 638). Luffy was destroying this durable ship 10k meters underwater while rapidly losing most of his blood and being weakened by the ocean. AND it's confirmed by the Sea Kings that he would have STILL completely obliterated the ship had he not been stopped(Chapter 647). Severely nerfed, Luffy on the Brink of death by blood loss was going to destroy an Island sized ship more durable than the island it was going to crash into. Thats just at the *start* of the timeskip. Not even taking into account Luffy at full health and how much his Haki levels up later. Again people constantly misrepresent and ignore this feat. Probably because it doesn't satisfy their obsession with pretty explosions. -Small Note about Potency: Chapter 188 during Sanji vs Mr 2, Bon Clay explains attack potency. Oda clearly understands this concept given that he shows this philosophy throughout the series. In One Piece control is everything and “excess damage” is just sloppy. In Oda’s mind it seems like if the attack is truly strong it wouldn’t do unnecessary damage. -Durability: You could just consider mental durability the same as endurance couldn't you? Also, I was expecting you to go over some of the insane things One Piece characters have tanked without Haki. Just to drive home the point that One Piece characters are extremely durable even thought Haki or Devil Fruits. Some good examples can be found with Usopp taking a 4 ton metal bat to the face and fighting with his skill shattered(Chapter 186). Lots of stuff to use in Zoro vs Mr 1, like Mr 1 sending Zoro flying into that building(Chapter 194) or when Zoro took Mr 1’s slashing attack directly on his body which did more damage to the pillar behind him meaning the pillar was tougher(Chapter 195). And plenty of other Skypeia feats like all the times characters got hit with lightning. Just some things you could have briefly skimmed through to make your point. But I can understand wanting to keep the focus on Luffy for the sake of time. -Naruto Claims: I’m SO glad you exposed this. So many Naruto fans take stuff way out of context and use the databooks to straight up lie to make their verse seem stronger. Just to add onto that, The Databooks primarily use what is known as a “simile”. Simile Definition - : “a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by “like” or “as” (as in cheeks like roses)” It’s a figure of speech i.e it’s by definition NOT literal. It’s metaphorical language. So I don’t wanna see any of these Naruto fans trying to compare them to One Piece statements because stuff like Whitebeard or Chinjao’s statements are clearly NOT metaphors. The context clearly backs those statements up. Another thing they like to purposely misinterpret is the chakra canon. They think it means a few dozen Ninja are Moon Level when logically it’s more likely the machine itself was simply converting/amplifying the chakra to suit it’s purpose. -Luffy’s Potency: I’m glad you brought up the Doffy feat because thats another one that gets wildly misinterpreted. Again, the people who look at this feat are obsessed with environmental destruction. Thats why they gravitate towards the aftermath of the punch instead of the actual punch itself. But that was never the real feat. The real feat has always been Luffy busting Doffys strings. Even the Birdcage sliced up even bigger meteors than the ones they sliced up on Greenbit. Doffy’s Awakening Threads are even stronger than that AND they were stacked with Haki. Great breakdown. I'd scale his G3 in Dressrosa past Chinjao but it looks like you're setting it aside for this video. -Rasenshurikens: I see a lot of people bringing these up and honestly I think it’s redundant. People are complaining that we talk about Armament Haki but again Armament is literally an invisible force field projected around the body. You can’t attack luffy on “teh cElLulaR leVel” when Haki is in the way. Whats more, it can be projected from a distance as Zoro and Yamato have also shown. Meaning if Naruto tried to fire a Rasenshuriken from a distance Luffy would just disrupt it with Armament or Conquerors from a distance causing it to explode prematurely before it even reaches him. Or just use future sight and attack Naruto before he even fires. It’s a lose lose situation. Even worse, Luffy just uses G5 and bounces any Rasenshuriken Naruto fires right back at him. This was an excellent video. From what I’m seeing in the comments most people mad about this haven’t been able to refute it or address any of your points. Whats really wild is that you were being extremely generous to Naruto while leaving out a lot of stuff from Luffy. You granted Naruto so much when you didn’t have to and Luffy still came out on top. Standing ovation my brother. Well done.
Excellent points as usual man. And yeah the gear 5 reflection of rasenshurikens and biju bombs is something I specifically left out just to not dog pile on naruto And I went out of my way to be as charitable to naruto as possible while downplaying luffy as as much as I could and making this video as comprehensive as possible such that it is literally 1 minute short of an hour yet there are still people grumbling that I didn’t cover their favorite silly arguments or their favorite pixel scaler or every single possible niche interaction that could potentially give naruto an edge. It is Absolutely wild man There is even a comment from a guy, who seems to be an OP fan, saying that I or the thread I linked, covering the supposed “anti feats” to luffy’s blunt force immunity should’ve “addressed” vivi drawing blood from luffy with a punch in alabasta. Like what?????? For one hundred chapters prior to that, alvidia with a steel club and characters like Zoro and arlong and even in the flashback to luffy’s childhood, blue jam, a 3.3M Tall man with a giant wooden club, none of them could hurt luffy with a blunt force physical attack. But vivi… a literally normal girl… people literally think VIVI is more powerful than all these other characters? Like what??? Honestly seeing that comment especially shook me so hard. Because now I realize why one piece characters are chronically underestimated so much. It’s because the people in the OP fandom allow themselves to be caught up in absolutely nonsense thoughts and discussion Like Obviously vivi can’t actually hurt luffy. Like How could any person in their right mind think that vivi is more powerful than all these other characters who can’t hurt luffy with blunt force physical attacks? Like what rational person would think that scene specifically needs to be “addressed”? Honestly man. I don’t see the discourse getting any better when we have people, even within the fandom itself, who are stuck on absolutely inane arguments like that
@@Steinixos Thanks! Completely agreed. Yeah we shouldn't have to respond to silly arguments like gag scenes. It's not a moment meant to be taken seriously. But just to be generous I'll go ahead and clarify that just because you can make a One Piece character bleed a little doesn't mean you've actually "damaged" them. Axe hand Morgan makes Garp bleed(Chapter 104) but Garp didn't even notice. Chopper has made Queen bleed(Chapter 1007) but it's not treated as actual damage. Queen even confirms this after Him & Queen are attack by Zoro and Sanji respectively(1022-1023). Just some examples. But the main point is that Hot & Dry weather are the causes of Nose Bleeds. Alabasta being a Desert and the drying of the nasal cavity automatically makes people more susceptible to nose bleeds. So in that scene it likely has more to do with Alabasta's climate than Vivi's strength. But again, it's partially a gag due to Luffy's reaction and not meant to be serious. People in the One Piece fandom often believe the lies of others. Hence why people believed all the lies of Naruto fans for so long. I think it stems from people not being knowledgeable of the series they're supporting, and thus not being confident in any of their claims/understanding of the series. Unfortunately it leads a lot of them to just roll over when they get challenged by stupid arguments.
@@emperorluffy6001 Exactly. It actually gets really irritating when people always just state that Naruto beat Luffy without any actual explanation other than it being widely accepted that Naruto is stronger, even though if we actually look at the two characters, Luffy wins this without a doubt.
he didnt use the kurama planetary statement and still got naruto to planetary. why are yall complaining?? he scaled naruto properly. the kurama statement is a hyperbole. not meant to be taken seriously and he still got naruto to planetary and faster than light. yall mad cs naruto not solar system? because he used proper translations? naruto is not taking luffy's punches its that simple.
@@Steinixos So let's just assume that luffy during pre timeskip is Speed of light (Even tho he should be 5 to 10 times ftl) So by that logic let's assume that base Hody is only five times ftl. Ok,then let's just say that Hody during fishman island only took 20 pills (Even tho he took much more) so 20 × 5= 100 times Ftl but base luffy was not only keeping up with luffy but also faster than him,so let's just assume that base luffy post timeskip should be 100 times ftl. Ok I hope you are keeping up with me,so luffy in Gear 2nd is 5 times stronger than his base form so 100×5= 500 times ftl,so gear 2nd luffy during fishman island is 500 times ftl (While heavily low-balled) After that we get to Dressrosa and in Dressrosa luffy uses Gear 4th which should be at least 4 times multiplier, so by this logic 4×500= 2000 times ftl. But this is not even his fastest form, during Whole cake Island luffy was getting blitzed by Katakuri in Gear 4th but luffy after fighting Katakuri for few hours was able to keep with him in base so by this logic let's low-ball luffy here and assume that luffy after whole cake Island in Gear 2nd should be faster than Gear 4th luffy from Dressrosa,ok so by this logic luffy's Gear 4th after whole cake should be much much faster,if we multiply the speed of speed of gear 2nd luffy (Which Lowballed should be as fast as Gear 4th luffy from Dressrosa) so multiplying 4×2000= 8000 times ftl. I'm not going to count wano because I hope you understand how fast luffy is even tho I Lowballed the hell out of him (Remember I haven't used wano luffy and I have Lowballed him so much but in reality he should be alot faster) Again if anyone wants to debate I will debate them and anyone debunks my arguments then sure I will accept that I was wrong. I have scaled him to hundreds of billions but I'm not going to use those arguments unless someone says that Naruto is universal or something stupid like that,btw can you make a video Debunking alot of the Naruto being universal claims
@@michalvrabec454 I read both one piece and naruto. Also he's explaining with the panels being right in your face, so you wouldn't know he's making up things. A lot of power scalers don't do that or if they do, the would put in the wrong scans or interpret something wrong.
but the truth-seeking orbs were not just destroyed with physical attacks, the susanno one had nature energy enhancing it, and guy just hit madara through his truth-seeking orb bubble while madara had six paths chakra. so unless a normal character without nature energy and/or six paths chakra managed to break one then you can't claim that any physical attack can destroy a truth-seeking orb.
@@S0ulsol1d no i literally said what happened in the post from the start. "guy just hit madara through his truth-seeking orb bubble while madara had six paths chakra." do you read or not?
@@Supreme-AMVs yeah i did read it. At the end you said “unless a normal character without sage or sp chakra breaks one it cant be broken without one of those two” but earlier in the comment you mentioned guy who broke it with nothing but brute force not sage ot sp chakra
@jaw5956 I think u forget about how in the databook it says “Kurama could turn the world to ash” and also all the tailed beasts are similar in strength to kurama who all except for one til got tamed by has it a a who naruto is one hundred percent stronger then which would technically put him in multi planet level
@@Chocolatebijuu databooks arent canon, they have been ruled out by the powerscaling community via horrible translation and claims not backed up by the series
I’m happy that you used something other than the Fishmen energy steroids to scale Luffy because that left too many uncertainties for me. The meteor calc is wonderful. I’m finally accepting of One Piece being a greater than country level series.
@@itskxmi those are dumb fr putting luffy at high planetary or small star is reasonable and steinixos confirmed the high planetary part even after downplaying the diffrence between g2 and g3 in terms of power to just 0.1% because the actual percentage is not confirmed and so people don't get mad and the calculation shows a very acurate result that's less than luffy's actual destruction capacity or the same so luffy is large planetary minimum
All Naruto fans do is ramp up their scaling when backed against the wall 😂 they just pull shit out of their ass when faced with real facts about Luffy and the OP world. Fishman arc Luffy is overkill enough for most of Konoha. Gear 5 is just unfair
@@gogon7394 i sent another message in the comment section where i kinda debunked it not really cuz that would take alot of typing but u should read that comment use the filter option to read the latest comments ul find it
Never going to happen goku is low balled at mutiversal and high balled at omniversal at this point outside of rimuru and yhwach there isn't many characters able to compete at that level of power
@Techsar71 name them then cus unless you have complete reality warping hax like the characters I stated above there really isn't especially current Manga goku and if you don't have immunity to being wiped from reality like rimuru then it's still up in the air cus goku has hakai which literally destroys your very existence on a fundamental level so go ahead I'll wait mind you every character you say has to have multiple times ftl reaction time or goku is literally going to wash them
@@nf5322 No it is not. I am sick of this lie going around. In fact, I’d go so far as to argue that it is the weakest verse of the Big 3, the feats do not stack up to the other two. The best that Bleach has is questionable statements.
@@nf5322 Anyone who is strong and does not see his shikai. There are even people who can get around it. Aizen also could get wiped out from hax or an AoE attack.
Ikr??? “The orbs?” countered by HAKI. “The clones?” knocked by out by HAKI. “Ok so Luffy can counter Naru’s clones and orbs, well at least Naruto can sense Luffy and…” nah bro chakra doesn’t work in other verses. “…Rasenshuriken? Other strong jutsu?” That’s chakra bro so it won’t affect Luffy, also HAKI counters other moves. The downplay of Naruto throughout the video is so goddamn annoying; I mean even having moon to planetary AP is practically irrelevant because Luffy is “immune to blunt force trauma” Like what?? Does Luffy’s fights with Lucci where he clearly bleeds after getting hit with blunt force not ring a bell? Are you implying Luffy has planetary durability due to his DF alone? (Sorry for writing this, something just clicked after reading your post)
@@gdmewmewgod6653Naw i be thinking the samething bro, it’s so annoying. I don’t have a problem with Luffy beating Naruto its a cartoon idc but they literally try and cheese their way into wins by saying nothing would work cause they know Naruto would work that boy.
@@gdmewmewgod6653 yeah haki has feat that blow the cloud away meanwhile Charka feat is Creating and Destroying time-space continuum, Altering Reality and Boruto keep power creeping it up too
that data book entry you have in 21:32 despite the god like comments the fact it says he’ll never back down from adversity shows he wouldn’t be knocked out by conquerors haki because that’s basically what conquerors haki is overpowering someone’s will. so if this fodder ninja isn’t getting slept by conquerors haki you need to reevaluate narutos clones being knocked by conquerors
@@wyzeinfinity7243 yeah their own mind which wouldn’t be overwhelmed by conquerors haki each of these clones is naruto so his will power his stupidity everything that comes with it a burst of conquerors won’t just knock them out luffy would have to hit them and if they are kcm clones he’ll need haki to beat them forsure
@@SocksDXebec but still conqures has physical area damage and considering luffy having better senses cuz naruto can sense him i don't think the clones bose an issue
@@purplemoon1191 luffy has no chakra naruto senses chakra thus making it harder for him to sense luffy and luffy can sense through dimension he did it in the reasent film red and luffy can sense emotions and life force power lvl aura and all of that on a Country lvl
Here's my take on Rasenshuriken and Truth Seeking Orbs. Depending on how you think Haki, DF Abilities and Chakra interact it's all completely debatable. For the TSOrbs, Naruto has never been able to manifest them after his 1st SO6P transformation. So you honestly can't use that in Naruto's arsenal. Though I personally don't see Luffy surviving that if he does get hit. Unless you can accept that the Nika fruit can rubberize and render it useless. And quite impossible to tell if the orb can erase Haki. But the orbs shouldn't even be in the debate cause again Naruto most likely can't use those again because if he could in Boruto then he would have. While the Rasenshuriken, should still be able to damage Luffy if it does hit him but not outright one shot him. Though possible interaction is that Luffy rubberize it or swats it away with Conq coated Adv. Armament. I think Luffy could tank one, bear in mind that he himself is also a Mythical Zoan user which also has heightened durability and recovery rate. With the introduction of G5, there are so much about it we don't know yet. And the low level reality warping could almost negate every of Naruto's ranged attacks.
I’m obviously not saying that Luffy can’t tank a TSO but Naruto still has those in Boruto. To have TSO you either have to have Sage of six path chakra mode or the chakra of all the tailed beasts, Naruto has the two of those we’ve seen him use SO6P mode in Boruto from his eyes that have 2 perpendicular lines and he’s also stated to be the jinchuriki of all the tailed beasts in Boruto. So yes he can use them but why doesn’t he use them? We need to ask the animators and developers.
@@jeremybegard3337 Actually no he can't use them . The TSOs are made by using ying and yang release and was stated to only be created by Kaguya. Naruto's TSOs were destroyed in the sasuke fight and the Kaguya fight and since he can't recreate them , they're gone forever.
@@TheLastVortex5 Luffy is Planetary See Wano Volcano The volcano is so Big how ours Earth. Luffy punched Kaido through the Wano volcano ( = ours Earth ) The volcano is 4-5 times bigger than the Wano Continent.
You forgot to mention that Truthseeker orbs can only be touched by people with Yin and/or Yang chakra release. Sasuke broke the Truthseeker orb with his Susanoo because his Susanoo has Yin chakra release, and could therefore touch it. Madara's Truthseeker shield was broken because Madara's body was used like a glove by Guy, so it was Madara's body (Containing Six Paths chakra, or Yin and Yang release) that actually made the physical contact to break the orb. Otherwise, Guy would have disintegrated.
..... I've seen the same point be argued on multiple forums when this is pointed out. There, and likely here with Steinixos as well, is that the intention was not to simply say that if it can be broken, it will be broken - only that it is not completely indestructible and if one can interact with it without harming themselves, the only question should be if one can deliver enough force to destroy it. Steinixos believes that Luffy's advanced Colour of Conqueror's haki (CoC) over his Colour of Arm haki (CoA) would allow Luffy to interact with it, without making direct physical contact, thus preventing Luffy from suffering any consequences. I don't think Steinixos brought it up, but Luffy mixing advanced CoA into his strike, could also result in the TruthSeeker Orb (TSO) being damaged from the inside (It's never been proven to be durable enough to withstand this type of attack because nothing in that world can strike it this way - even the hyuga gentle fist and frog kumite both utlize chakra and is predictably rendered ineffective). I've seen this discussion play out online, and in person. The first question usually asked is whether energies are equalized.... seeing as how the first thing Steinixos said was that in this hypthetical, there was to be no equalization of chakra and haki, you cannot just assume haki would be similarly affected by a TSO. It has to be argued and proven that TSO could affect CoA the same as any substance. So... to proceed, we need to identify what Haki is.... Haki itself is not life force or tied to it - proven by how, unlike chakra from the narutoverse, Someone like Luffy completely exhausting all of his Haki did not result in his death or even place him in a near death condition (a fan asked Oda why Luffy could move after using G4 in WCI, but not after using it in Dressrossa... his answer, Luffy could always have just have ran in dressrossa, but it would only utilize the little stamina he has that he needs to finish the fight). I've seen Haki translated to willpower or ambition as well as spirit (considering the context, spirit likely means the same as the first two translations). There is no evidence the TSO can affect willpower/ambition as they do physical matter. But in OP-verse the utilization of even basic CoA haki allows one to touch a logia's "real body" or force it into solidity, without being affected by element itself - i.e., hit someone like Akainu, dealing real damage to his actual body, without being burned. Advanced CoC haki allows one to attack without making direct contact. Luffy, via utilizing advanced haki, is 1) forcing the TSO to clash with something it has never proven to be capable of destroying or even encountered and 2) employing the traits of advanced CoC and Co to destroy it from while ensuring that he would not making direct physical contact with it.
Additionally ... What he did not explain more of, and I am slightly disappointed by this not being mentioned, is what the TSO is comprised of and how the five elements achieve one effect, and the yin-yang release another. And after that, how Luffy's abilities in G5 would interact with them. Jutsu's that utlize chakra natures are hardly simple and manipulating its shape on top of that is described to be extremely diffictult (e.g., kakashi helping naruto with resenshuriken training). As confirmed in Naruto chapter 689, TSO use all five chakra natures combined to achieve its effect of the target to dust. Yin-yang release, which can nullify jutsu (as mentioned by tobirama), is why edo tensei don't regenerate from it (3rd hokage regrew his head and arms because Juubito did not utilize yin-yang release when he was struck). Luffy's awakening, the ability to turn things into rubber, can affect solid, and even living things like Kaido into rubber, as well as natural lightning which he used to swing from in the skies. Luffy changing even one of the five elements into rubber would likely alter, if not completely remove its disintegrating effect - hardly impossible considering how, as it is composed of chakra it would be comprised of both solid and spiritual energy If Luffy weren't serious and allows himself to get hit (I'm with Steinixos, in saying that Luffy has a clear speed advantage, even without his Obs. haki), the yin-yang release, is unlikely to nullify Luffy's regenerative powers as they do not come from chakra, or even haki. Luffy can likely ignore it, in a toon-like fashion, just as he was injured from Kaido's burn (ash black, in one panel, and then fine the next)
Simple answer luffy doesn't need to break it or touch it luffy can use adv conq hami and force it to break or change its direction and alter stuff luffy can even turn things to rubber without touching.
depending on how advance conqueror would go against those orbs, i see no absolute answer. Afterall, adv coc can only be counter by another adv coc or haki(ryuo).
Got to the part where you mentioned Luffy’s immunity to blunt force; while the thread did a good job of addressing most instances of anti feats, I didn’t see them address Vivi making Luffy bleed with her punches in Alabasta.
Yeah because it makes no sense cover every single scene like that. Anyone who seriously think vivi could hurt luffy with a punch is probably someone not worth taking to
Writing it off as a one time inconsistency with Luffy’s established durability, sure, but it’s not like the Nami moments; the moment I’m talking about is played very seriously given Luffy calling out Vivi’s self sacrificial nature.
It wasn’t for comedy. But hold on, you think I or anyone else need to go into an in-depth discussion, as to why Vivi can’t actually hurt luffy with a hit? You are posing this as a serious topic rn?
I’m mostly raising this as a potential counterpoint just because it’s something that bugged me ever since I reread Alabasta; given that it’s one inconsistency vs the rest of Luffy’s feats, I’m willing to chalk it up to Luffy biting his lip like when Kuro kicked him.
During Sasuke's battle with Itachi, Zetsu says lightning is impossible to dodge, and he comes from Kaguya and has seen many of history's most OP Shinobi in action. So I 100% agree that what Naruto evaded wasn't Madara's "lightspeed" attack, but instead Madara turning his head. It's always hilarious to me when people try and give lightspeed to physical things/people, yet also try and use scientific measurements for other things. Talk about trying to have your cake and eat it too
@@bear1921 is he? In the example given in this video, did he dodge the beam and call it slow after it had already fired, or is it more like what happened with Naruto and Madara where he dodged the person? From what I've heard, the Admiral's lightspeed attacks/movements are straight lines. If so then Luffy can predict where they'll be *before* they occur and act accordingly. In other words, he called the user slow, not the beam of light. Even a normal human can technically dodge a bullet if the person holding the gun is moving in slow motion.
@@corruptangel6793 Even chopper can react to a laser shot at point blank range while being caught in thought. And Chopper does not have any haki so he relys on his own reflexes.
@@relaxoirl5920 if he's reacting to, and dodging the literal "laser" beam itself, then all I can say is it's bad writing on Oda's part or, because of the overly cartoonish nature of his story, it's just not meant to be taken as seriously as scalers like the guy in this video are trying to make it. If an object with *any* mass is capable of moving at light speed, then the most casual tap of that object could catastrophically damage anything, as reaching lightspeed would require infinite energy. Meaning Chopper would literally have infinite physical attack power and could shatter worlds and rupture spacetime with the most casual of taps. In other words, forget about island, continent or even planetary level, he'd be universal. A true transcendent being.
This is the most one piece biased video I've ever seen. If you're arguing feat vs feat, Naruto characters have feats that support Naruto's AP being well above what you're claiming, but u instead wanted to show your complete bias by denying everything YOU disagree with in the databooks to underscale Naruto and overscale Luffy. There's no point in even arguing on this channel bcuz it shows u will deny any and everything that supports Naruto is stronger. I was actually excited to see a true power scaler, but it seems all i found was another fanboy overscaling a series to make it seem stronger
You had me until you mentioned the cloned being negged by conquerors haki. Naruto, clones included, have to many factors that could derail that point, especially with Kurama in the argument.
Seriously, while Naruto’s clones have less physical durability for sure. Mentally they’ve been shown to be just as capable as the main Naruto. Conqueror’s Haki likely isn’t canceling them out.
@@salemnlandu3004 Kurama Sage of six paths chakra Inherent Will Power ^To that point even if conquerers haki was just a form of pressure crush like reiatsu, it would only work on a form with lower willpower. You're not gonna sit here and debate with me on weather or not the two protagonist with fucking dreams, can out will each other. That'd be a moot point. Now go ahead and tell me why none of this works so I can read it and move on.
Such a great video, unbiased and you have shown you did a lot of research on both manga and anime, no one can say that you have only watched or read one piece, again, Great video.
@@dyllongraves5776 well he mentioned all fake feats about naruto and debunked it plus he wasn't downplaying naruto because he was putting naruto on very best and worst scenario but the outcome was same
Perfect analysis. I think this is your best analysis since the ''admirals vs ninjas'' or ''how fast are one piece characters?'' videos, I have zero gripes with this video.
Very good video, there is something I wanna address is that naruto can still use all the tailed beast chakra (before baryon mode) so naruto being able to use stuff like rasenshuriken. I did look up one of the moves naruto has and it’s called magnet release rasengan and what it does it seals the enemy in place making them literally stuck in place. Now I believe once naruto does use this attack on luffy, naruto would be able to use what ever move he wants to even a lava rasenshuriken, he can use boil release to enhance his strength. Now for all of y’all who think luffy can turn Naruto’s kurama avatar into rubber, what is chakra made out of? It’s spiritual energy, luffy can’t turn spirtual energy into rubber because what makes up spiritual energy? What are the components, the atoms within it? I will say luffy has a bit more durability and endurance but naruto has more stamina and abilities. For now naruto wins, I’m not tryna downplay luffy (if i am sorry about that) though luffy can use ryou, but that won’t work since naruto can heal himself. Naruto can make 1000 clones and still have enough chakra to fight for 2 more days, and naruto is way more unpredictable. Naruto wins mid-high diff Edit: I read the description and the rasenshuriken has been stated to cut the BODY at a cellular level.
1. Armament haki 2. Future sight + much higher speed 3.he very well can turn chakra into rubber as when it is used it is manifested and therfore very real, luffy can turn anything into rubber 4. Naruto is going to run out of chakra much faster as he is constantly using chakra to survive in the battle, notice how in boruto naruto seems to have less stamina, that is because he is using so much more chakra
Rasenshuriken cutting the body at the celluilar level means nothing, it just sounds cool. Anytime you get hurt it damages your body at the cellular level. This is one of the biggest misconceptions in Naruto.
i see a ton of powerscalers talk about this and a lot of them are pretty bias, i watched a video from a guy who seemed very unaware of the one piece verses power while knowing like everything about naruto, and another guy who knew everything about one piece but hardly much about naruto
not well, I thought that luffy would have an advantage only in 5 gear, but after watching this video, I understand that luffy with this HAKI is able not just to fight on equal terms with naruto, but even to win, but I noticed that you missed one moment in comparison, this is luffy's emotional state in the form of 5 gear, think about it in the battle of luffy first it will be as serious as possible and Naruto will be able to study Luffy, but then Luffy turns on 5 gear and his behavior is completely different from the past, which is why naruto can just go into a stupor and stop taking luffy seriously, which will be fatal for naruto, and Luffy himself will remind Dante from DMC, he will be a trickster who will simply drive the enemy out of himself constantly laughing and fooling around
@@MaxBlight same base fruit but different models. Dolton is a bison. The guard is cow. It's the same as chopper and sengoku. Same base fruit but different models
Nah... Let's be honest. Only extreme Naruto fans didn't finish the video cos' you debunked their universal power level headcanons with Perfect facts, too Perfect. I can't believe I've never come across this since you uploaded it. Glad you didn't wank Luffy nor Naruto but straight up used only proper manga feats and real statements. Honestly you deserve everyone's sub and like. The time and effort you put is unmatched. I'm definitely going to learn a lot from you... I just want to ask, but do you think Genjutsu can work on Luffy, Law or Kid and those stronger than them or slightly below them (Warlords and Worst Generation captains and YC1/2/3 , Zoro, Sanji and Killer and the Akazay 9)... Personally (1) I think it won't work on anybody who can withstand Conqueror Haki wave, (2) I think it won't work on anybody who's soul couldn't be harmed/collected by Big Mom and (3) I believe anybody who has withstood near death battles (Luffy, Law and Kid{vs Kaido, vs Shanks, vs Big Mom... Kid really be fighting them Yonkos 🤔💀} would have resistance to Genjutsu since near death battles literally requires the highest level of mental strength for who ever is fighting to stay alive. So what's your thought on that. Thanks for clearing this up... Really love the video, the length didn't matter as you kept on saying facts, keep up the good work Bruh. Now if a Naruto fan wants to make noise anywhere I know where to send them 😅. +1 from Lawless Weeb here, One Piece AMV creator 😗... Oh btw what's also your take on Zoro fans saying he'll beat Oden, Law and Kid 💀 ...and your take on Zoro vs Sanji currently
@@ave383 bro kidd slammed kaido ima need to see what ur watching bro kaido was letting them attack him after all of laws luffys and kids attacks kaido wasnt phased u just a hater bruh stay mad that luffy beats naruto
Something I wanna say as a one piece fan is that Luffy dodging the lightbeams is underestimated by a lot. He said after dodging the loght beam "Too slow". This means that more than likely he is capable of dodging something twice as fast as the speed of light. This means that the amount of growth he has gained across the whole other episodes of one piece, he is probably 4 times faster than the speed of light. He also gained better observation haki allowing him to see in the future. This makes me estimate that luffy can dodge something about 5 times faster than light.
First of all if u know that an attack is coming few seconds in advance u can dogde no matter the speed so obs haki doesnt make him faster. And then reaction speed isnt actual speed, plus he only moved his head which is even easier.
we didnt get to see bayron mode to its fullest extent because he could only do physical attacks due to issiki absorbing, he killed momoshiki with a normal giant rasengan which had to be sent to the upper atmosphere to not cause massive damage, we know he cauld have made this a rasenshuriken and even then the multiplier of bayron mode is like nuclear fusion, making hundreds of times stronger energy source, so this new planet level rasengan will wipe out luffy because it is not a blunt force attack and it has millions of chakra blades atomizing him, personally i think a normal rasenshuriken is enough but if you want to nuke the planet
@@lapisspiderman The first half is literally all head canon. You're claiming what he might be able to do when it was never showed. A baseless claim of "making hundreds of times stronger energy" You're literally making shit up lmao
And what the hell are you talking about "they had to send the rasengan into the upper atmosphere" bro when did that happen? The shit kills momoshiki and doesn't even destroy the whole tree behind him
This guy Biased as hell... He mentioned Momoshiki feats like just hax and with half power he defeated him at that point Naruto scales way above Luffy... Naruto scales up to Multi solar system level because Momoshiki creates dimensions with multiple stars (Tier 4A)...not only that he shows Momoshiki atnti feats it is obvious that momo plays with kage just by his personality like madara... also anti feats are irrelevant because it is same as saying Saitama and Goku is wall level because they get scratched by a cat and folded by a laser....Also Momoshiki did destroy a star because it is mentioned star was dying (Means super novad) if star was already supernovad then why did Momoshiki plants a god tree on if every living things already wipe out....So in case of luffy AP = His durability.. Luffy can atmost scale to multi Continental so Luffy can't tank Naruto solar system level AP... Rubber gets obliterated...Not only that he never mentioned MFTL Traveling speed and tracking speed of sasuke rinnegen.....lots of things he doesn't mention... Luffy may win if both characters are multi continental then his argument is true (Because Luffy has lots of things in combat to use) but this guy failed to realise that Naruto scales way above Luffy ....
Yo, Ignore these new comments about this TH-camr called Noodle🤔, who spoke about your video and said Naruto is multiversal with him beating Luffy with respective ease. It's really sad seeing, so much toxicity in the power scaling community with people being one side while some people are just trying to enjoy as many perspectives there are on how each character with match up with one another.
LMFAO. This video is horrible and I doubt you even watched the whole thing, you probably got bored of his constant rambling and skipped through it. First off all he used other databooks to debunk planetary naruto, which is moot as there are calcs online that get naruto to planetary anyway, then he says naruto isn't even continental with his puches which is also moot. I doub't he can even scale naruto as he uses vsbattles for him and they cant scale him lmao. The databooks he used to debunk like mind transfer is dumb as I don't ever recall it being dodged. Madara was a hyperbole because it was clearly contradicted. Temari blowing away the world is in retrospect to her surpising everyone with her showings in the war, not her blowing up the planet, and you'd know this if you read it and understood the contex. The whole observation haki point is moot, Naruto is resistant to that crap because of kurama, something which all of the clones would also have. He heavily downplayed naruto's speed and didn't bring up the fact that multiple other characters in the verse have light speed attacks that other fodder characters in part one and pre war arc react to. Saying luffy is resistant to blunt force damage is just a straight up no limits fallacy, and here he is even being hypocritical as he says because something is stated multiple times it has to be true, that logic can be applied to the MULTIPLE planetary statements in naruto for characters FAR weaker then even TEEN naruto let alone his adult variant. And just because no one in Luffy's verse can injure him with physical attacks doesn't mean that naruto can't. Luffy is getting hit by characters who are at most Multi Continental where as naruto is at least Moon+. Thats THOUSANDS of times difference. Overall naruto slams luffy no diff them proceeds to slam his verse. Tho this is a one piece hideout channel, and I doub't your even gonna read and address what i say to you so i don't really care.
@@KcMove2Smoove Sorry but I'm not going to read that Essay of an explanation💀 besides your not the power scaler in this anyways, so why should I listen to you? Toxic pricks like you are the reason why most people stay away from anime with the constant ships, death thearts to the author, and say this character can beat that character
It won't. Narutards are delusional. I was talking to someone who thought that G5 Luffy was only pain arc sage naruto level. I don't know how much crack you'd have to smoke to come to a conclusion like that....
@@Shadow-fb2ec People can claim that he is multiversal, doesn’t mean he is. The video debunks Solar System level Naruto… heck, even I could do it. Anyone who tries to argue that Naruto is solar system level is beyond hope. If they make the claim, then they have to show the feat to prove it.
@@somerandomguy7677 For example, the truth seeker orbs, the guy in the video completely shrugged them off "Oh yea they won't be a big deal" Even though it's obvious that truth seeker orbs are an instant win, legit no one could do anything about them without Six paths chakra/sage mode/ or without sacrificing a limb or two.
THIS guy got misinformation lol 😂... Truth seeking orb not broken by Guy because only six path Cherecters can break it Madara himself break the TSB... Not only that this guy scales WB to planetary with a hyoerbole statement lol 😂😂
This guy got Chakra wrong and conveniently left out the fact that getting hit by naruto baryon mode cuts the person's lifespan in half. That's per hit. He left out genjustu, sealing techniques and the fact that naruto has every nature release, including yin and yang. Luffy is strong and tough but narutos kit is much wider and versatile. This was a shit video by a op stan.
Because Naruto sensed negative emotions from the clones. Or he sense bad/evil chakra. Luffy doesn’t have chakra. I also doubt that Luffy would have negative emotions against Naruto as well
I wouldn't say stomp, this would be a great fight. I love Luffy way more than Naruto and I think Luffy wins, but be real and at least acknowledge Naruto's abilities. Btw, I hate the character Naruto very much. Privileged son of a bitch....👶
Luffy vs Naruto , no way , Doffy or Katakuri vs Naruto will be fair one on one ,Bcoz Naruto is no match for Luffy (Wano) in terms of godly powers and techniques 🔥😎 And Naruto fans , there is no hate for Naruto rather i was also a great fan of Naruto before i started One Piece .So don't get offended.
Amazing video, this is the best Luffy vs Naruto video I have seen but I would like for you Debunk few things like 1. Sasuke stating that he is stronger than Kaguya (I can't find the clip where he says it but I remember him saying something like this) 2. Haku being Light speed 3. "Luffy can't over power Naruto's Shadow clones because they have the same amount of will power as Naruto and they're not fodders so he won't be able to just overpower them easily with conquerers Haki alone" 4. Lastly I disagree with the fact that Naruto is low planetary,i think it makes sense for Kurama should be at least low planetary and Naruto should be at least Large Planetary because yes I agree that alot of the statements in the Data books are really hyperbolic but I don't think that Kurama being able to turn the world into ash is that hyperbolic since we have already seen Kaguya being able to destroy a star with her strongest attack Kurama should be at least low planetary. Anyways I would really like to hear your thoughts on these arguments (Also are you going to do more Naruto vs One piece videos, like can a Yonko Commander beat all the kages or can where does Law scale compare some of the characters in Naruto,can he beat Madara?)
I don’t think there’s much to debunk as far as Haku being lightspeed, but this arguably wouldn’t apply to part 1 kid Naruto’s scaling since Haku was indicated several times to not be fighting seriously at the time, that he was holding back consciously or otherwise due to not wanting to kill Naruto.
1) any character can claim they are stronger than any character 2) I can only respond to so much silliness. 3)there is no objective answer 4) you are free to think whatever you want to think. But it’s not actually rooted in any facts
@@Steinixos @Steinixos 1) I think there's a difference between a character just being overconfident and stating that they're stronger but there's also times times when it's a fact that the author is trying to state from a character,for example Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman and it's a fact 2) You didn't provide any argument, but the fact is it was stated that Haku could move at light speed using the Mirrors 3) That's true but it makes more sense, at least that's what I think 4) Well I have provided the arguments about why I think Naruto is planetary, because again I don't think that the Statement about Kurama turning the world into ash is hyperbolic and since Naruto is stronger than Kurama and was easily able to survive a moon lvl attack he should planetary to large Planetary, because by this logic whitebeard isn't planetary because we haven't seen him destroy a planet
you also can add potential, naruto already past his prime, Luffy still have way to grow stronger (I belive he will surpast even Shanks in haki, and with his DF that is confirm limit by the user imagination.... luffy EOS is gonna be a Monster).
this is a stupid debate luffy is only continental can we stop with the overkill debates this is the definition of bias I should have known with your pfp and you videos based off one piece
Side tangent right off the bat, for a frame of reference a village in most places is classified by a populace of 500-2500 people. "Larger than a hamlet, but smaller than a town."
Been saying luffy beats naruto for the longest glad someone who can scale these things correctly came out and did this i do love naruto but luffy is not a good matchup for him tbh any planetary character without chakra would be able to hang with naruto or easily beat him
we didnt get to see bayron mode to its fullest extent because he could only do physical attacks due to issiki absorbing, he killed momoshiki with a normal giant rasengan which had to be sent to the upper atmosphere to not cause massive damage, we know he cauld have made this a rasenshuriken and even then the multiplier of bayron mode is like nuclear fusion, making hundreds of times stronger energy source, so this new planet level rasengan will wipe out luffy because it is not a blunt force attack and it has millions of chakra blades atomizing him, personally i think a normal rasenshuriken is enough but if you want to nuke the planet
@@lapisspiderman yeah it’s just hard to tell for me i just don’t wanna be like oh naruto would stomp and later down the line luffy masters G5 and just Start turning any attack into rubber and getting hit with it and not taking damage at all. but even still i don’t see luffy dien before baryon mode run out, but if he did die, like he did in the manga he might can just restart his heat as many times as he wants we never know what oda got planned loll i can’t wait tho
Just watched the noodles scales critic video and have to say i almost got a hearth attack. I don´t know how you can miss every point in youre video and be so ignorant to proven and logical points. I don´t know why he has more subs than you. You are a very underrated channel. Keep up the good work
Literally this guy was being hypocritical and was ignoring multiple different statements of naruto characters being faster than light WAY before war arc.
@@KcMove2Smoove Luffy dodge 3 lasers one after the other in base form, Luffy is like 12x FTL without using his gears, but most Naruto fans don't like accepting that while they are willing to accept statements that could very well be hyperbole about Naruto.
@@imatiu You would have to prove their hyperbole. And how many times luffy is faster than light is irrelevant when naruto is infinite - inapplicable speed.
@@KcMove2Smoove issue lies in the fact that there is no way to prove that which doesn't rely on inferences or in taking statements that might be hyperbole as facts. The one feat we have on Naruto speed is him dodging a Lightspeed attack point blank, meanwhile Luffy dodged 3 lasers, which by definition are lightspeed, one after the other in base form. Mind you this is before 3 arcs full of Luffy steadily increasing his power. Naruto doesn't have that many good feats, his best feats would be the moon cutting sword thing for resistance and the aforementioned dodge for speed. Meanwhile Luffy has some ridiculous feats on his side, like dodging lasers in base form, punching a building size dragon so hard it digs underground until it hits magma, resisting several blasts of energy capable of destroying a mountain, resisting temperature hot enough to melt stone in a few seconds and even toon force which has allowed him to bounce back one of said mountain destroying blasts. All the examples of Luffy were things that happened on screen and that we can see evidently unlike Naruto where we need to search, research and even made up the context or the details of said feats.
@@imatiu Yea? So all that means is that you need to do your research properly. You'd have to prove they are hyperboles, which you cannot unless they have direct contradictions. All the feats you named for luffy were trash, at most Multi Continental whereas the moon cutting feat was calced to Moon+. Lasers in fiction aren't always lightspeed. The only reason we know that madara's light fang is lightspeed is because of the databook, same with every other thing in naruto the databooks tell you how fast and strong certain abilities are as well as what they do. Dodging 3 lasers from dozens of meters away isn't nearly as good as dodging one laser a meter away from your face. Even for luffy, most of the stuff the databooks confirms it. Or the descriptions of the fruits, naruto just happens to describe the jutsu's in the databooks instead of the actual manga.
I can certainly see some Naruto scalers having contentions with not going with the higher scaling metas, but at least for now this seems like a pretty strong analysis. If I were to cite any evidence for planetary Naruto not including the datebooks, Death Battle calculated the God Tree needed over 1 yottaton of tnt to grow its roots through the planet as fast as it did. Madara was able to absorb the stem with the chakra flower/fruit, so he should scale to that much power, and then he gets two amps from getting his second Rinnegan and the Rinnesharingan.
Death battle basically said: “a a tree grew this fast therefore he has planet level attack potency”… I’m not sure what serious person would take deathbattle’s madara vs aizen video seriously And as I pointed out in the video: everyone will always flock to Their favorite pixel scaled calculation of whatever feat they want to try to scale naruto to whatever level they want. It’s unreasonable to expect that I’m gonna contend with every single silly thing out there. So I chose battle wiki, a site that is referenced by many people and whose calculations are up for everyone to see If a person isn’t happy with that then that’s on them. But Expecting me to respond to every single nonsense calculation is just not rational
I suppose that’s fair. On another note, in your “how strong are One Piece characters video” you upscaled Luffy based on all the multipliers he scaled to, with your starting basis being Alabasta Luffy having town level AP. Having gone back over the Skypia arc though, do you think that the same multipliers could be applied to Luffy’s Golden Rifle?
At least from the calculations I’ve seen, even lowballing it Luffy would have city level striking power when he hit Enel with the gold ball, given the balls estimated mass and Luffy’s ability to punch with it at the speed of lightning.
@@George_Gogo01 Naruto punching a hole in a hollow moon is his best feat which is pretty impressive but still not even as impressive Luffy cracking dressrosa in half
@@themiddlechild8952 Not that it as anything to do with what i said,but the hole in the moon thing was not done by naruto doing any technique...if i remember right,nearly all of his chakra was extracted and used to punch trought the moon...with him being nearly point blank/right next to the explosion (and i think incouncious too?) so let that sink in.He had absolutely no way to defend himself from that explossion and yet.Not only that,but that wasnt even an offensive move done by him,so i dont think its complettly impossible he could win.His speed is probably nowhere as slow as they seem to imply in this video considering that in his most basic kurama form he outspeed a shinobi who you could argue is as lightspeed,i have hard time believing that 5-6 later,he wouldnt be much faster with thing like Baryon mode,which is league beyond even six path naruto in term of power and speed because of how differently it work with its chakra.Now,we have no idea how truly terrifying this form could be anyway since...well,he didnt use any jutsu in it as far as i know but so is there a lack of information of luffy 5th gears (so far).One funny thing that this video assume is that naruto clone wouldnt be able to tolerate coqueror haki because they seem to explode to the touch...but thats kinda untrue.Yes,his clone can quite weak...OR FUCKING BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE RAIKAGE!Its either due to the fact that naruto split his chakra way too much (by doing a thousand fucking clone) or simply because he dont care/use them as smoke screen.All is to say that if he want his clone to stay alive,he definitly could.Thats not even mentioning we have no idea to what degree the conqueror haki would affect naruto in the first place.Naruto also has a lot more range option than luffy,so he technicaly doesnt need to stay close to him,but its not impossible he may or may not get wreck if he got it by conqueror haki internal damage move depending how high is his regen and his pain tolerance (and considering that the guy who in base form doesnt even react from being impaled multiple time,am gonna assume its fairly high).Anyway,am not saying naruto wins,am just saying its not an improbable scenario for both of them.
Things that I didn't specifically highlight in the Video generally Or Special interaction section due to length and common sense
1. ALL Energies are the same?
•Mental/Spirit energy by itself is not chakra. Physical Energy by itself is not chakra. Nature energy by itself is not chakra.
Even the thing known as chakra has different types which have distinctly different attributes (sage chakra vs regular chakra).
Different energies & even different forms of chakra exist within the naruto world
but you think you can just equalize across universes? That’s silly.
Not even to further a mention the fact there is LITERALLY a chakra network.
So you are even literally trying to add something to their body.
Haki and chakra are two separate things. That doesn’t change simply because you want convenience
2. Access to other 8 tailed beasts chakra?
• No specific role/influence emphasized in boruto
• No Special interaction
3. Rasenshurikens Generally
• Cutting: To Cut luffy it needs cut through his armament Haki (which depends on how hard it hits… which I have a section for)
• Expansion: Can be entirely anticipated via future sight (which I mentioned at the end of the the how hard it hits section)
4. Lava and Boil Release Rasenshuriken (Burn Damage):
• Luffy has high burn resistance (Which I SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the durability section)
Again Note: Kaido's blast breath EVAPORATED a mountain. and left it smoldering. Luffy tanked that. Multiple times.
5. Wind release Rasenhuriken (Cellular Level Attack)
• At the Cellular level it cuts the CHAKRA NETWORK. Luffy has no CHAKRA NETWORK. No relevance to the fight
6. All other Rasenshurkens (magnet release, ink release, etc)
• Not sure what Special interaction they added
7. Any attack that I didn't specifically name but may have some relevant special interaction
• 58:22 - 58:35
8. Your favorite pixel scaled version of a feat in the video or some other feat was not included?
• 45:01 - 45:21
I wrote a comment on why I believe Naruto wins, can you read it and give me your thoughts
Also rasenshuriken would work on Luffy even though he has no chakra network, in Naruto it only effects the chakra network because their chakra networks are intertwined with every cell in their bodies. What the attack really attacks is the cells in the body as stated by Tsunade. So even if the target doesn't have a chakra network it will still attack their cells.
@@nf5322 It can cut the opponent (Which i already addressed). But again, at a cellular level it attacks the chakra network. go read it up
@@Steinixos Ok where does it say it specifically attacks the chakra network and not the cells. I don't see that in the databook anywhere and Tsunade said it attacks every cell in the body. I checked the wiki and it says " The wind blades pierce every cell in the body, disconnecting them from the Chakra circulatory system", this is backing up the point I made, it would still cut luffy on a cellular level it just wont prevent him from using chakra because he doesn't have it or a chakra network in the first place.
@@nf5322 literally stated in your own reply " The wind blades pierce every cell in the body, disconnecting them from the Chakra circulatory system"
thats all it does at a cellular level. Which is not relevant to this fight
And as I said obviously it still cuts generally (which I already addressed)
you can really tell who didnt watch the full video
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I watched most of Steinixos's videos and literally all of them have insane levels of effort put into them, keep it up. Criminally underrated channel.
I just clicked this video, and had NO IDEA I was about to attend a college course on Naruto Vs Luffy. I wish I was as intrigued in school as I am with anime battles lmao.
Edit: Wow I’m still impressed as the video goes on. Definitely earned a subscription I know this took a long time to make.
Didn't earn a subscription the blasphemy stated is unsupported meaning he is spreading false information. He downplays naruto to the upmost while upscaling luffy.
We thought that Luffy didn't have a healing factor, but then we found out that he has a zoan fruit. ALL zoan fruits give you a healing factor.
Luffy has no healing factor Bro if he had a healing factor then how come is it he had to heal for two weeks after fighting Kaido 🤔🤔🤔
Your just making shit up now Naruto actually has a healing factor
@@joeyskywalker1322 Hmm, well you're right in a way. A zoans healing factor works in a weird way. It kind of works like how Luffy started his heart back up when he died. His version is more extreme than normal, but when you defeat them, their vitality starts coming back and then they get back up.
So far, the only way we've seen to stop them from doing this is by inflicting so much damage that they can't get back up, but that just puts them out of the fight. Like king and queen, they'll be up and moving like when they went to Udon prison. They were still hurt, but not as hurt as they should have been.
Since Luffy has a mythical zoan, we don't know how that modifies his healing factor yet, as he just awakened and is...spoiler...meeting Vegapunk, the person who knows the most about devil fruits. Oda said we'll know everything when we see Vegapunk.
@@joeyskywalker1322 g5 literally heal and revive him during the fight ur the delusional one
@@DemonAshura He wasn’t healed he just got a power up what wound was given to Luffy that he healed from lol Naruto literally healed having a hand shoved threw his chest as a kid
There are other factors about their way of fighting that you could have taken into account.
There's also the fact that Gear 5 and Haki both become exponentially stronger as the battle continues.
Yeah, but to be fair haki only gets stronger when you fight a haki user equal or better than you, since Naruto characters don't use haki idk if it can grow in that context
@Elchinodawn if Luffy can use haki that means in general Luffy will win sense Naruto has none Luffy would make him faint if the man doesn't have strong will power
Yeah you forgot that Luffy can not use Gear 5 for long or even gear 4 for long. He literally needs someone to carry him around for 10 minutes while he recharges. You would've know that if you weren't so bent on being biased towards Naruto
@@ave383 when does it stat that luffy cant go gear 5 as long? are you watching the same anime? Luffy has unlimited potential due to his imagination. do your research before talking big!
@@ave383who told you that ? He doesn't even need since he is superior in every stat
This is one of the best anime channels I've ever seen in my life. The level of in-depth research and work put into this is astonishing. It puts Death Battle/Rooster Teeth to shame. I can't believe it took me this long to stumble across it. You deserve a million subs. Good day to you sir.
I would like to add that most people upset in the comments about Luffy being talked about much more than Naruto have to understand how much longer than Naruto One Piece is. It's more than twice as long now as Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. There were just more feats to discuss and more scaling to do. Especially because I don't believe that most people realize how powerful Luffy was all the way back in Orange Town.
Don't let your emotional attachment to how powerful you think your favorite fictional character is compared to another fictional character make you act like an ass to innocent strangers.
He deserves nothing. This is what happens when you ask a one piece fan to do naruto vs luffy. Naruto is said to be fast as lightning raikage who travels at the speed of light . Which goes way far beyond any speed luffy may dream of. Luffy has been outmatched by the likes of Katakuri is speed . Observation, luffy can not continuously see in the future so argument is null , he can for some attacks not for all. See fight with kata, Kaido for example . Plus even if hoe fast would his body reacts to speed of light? Naruto is known to be corny and clever. Most of his fights he out matched his opponents in strategy this guy did not take that into account, naruto can use sage mode in conjunction with kurama mode which help in detecting attacks directions pretty much like observation haki ! Plus throughout the series naruto had to keep up with warriors who seems to see the future with their eyes luffy observation haki would be a problem. Naruto takes the win. STOP OVERRATING LUFFY. This dude has become the most overrated character along with saitama
@@zetsupain Luffy called Light Speed Beams "Too slow" Just after Time Skip 500 Chapters later after getting Stronger and Faster he got easily Blitzed by Kaido and called Kaido "Too fast" and then later on Luffy got even Faster than Kaido so explain how Luffy is not Massively FTL?
@@zetsupain he deserves far better than you do lmao.
@@Veduxfr who laughs at his own joke is just a fool, infact you are laughing at your own statement making you the fool of the situation.
@@zetsupain still he deserves better than you atleast 💀.
Luffy might be the only guy I know who can take a fat hole to his stomach and then eat a village's supply of meat and his body heals nearly instantly. Why wait for the hole to close, when you can push the rubber on the other side outward by overstuffing yourself? 😂 Love that guy
Also he drinks milk so he can recover his teeth instantly
It's the one piece toon force man. It makes sense
@@someyeeterontheblock2421 even people in one piece think its supernatural when they see luffy recover from a hole in his chest in 1 night and heal 6 broken ribs,cracked skull,3 broken teeth and a shattered leg with milk😂😂
@@cezar6411 isn't it just him and Brook?
@@Sognafar yes
I used to ride Naruto. But as I started to catch up on One Piece and look at scaling, I've realized that Luffy has tons of layers of hax that he can whip out at a drop of a hat.
Truth seeking orbs
Naruto verse have some broken moves and justu
Amaterasu too
Bro think about it
@@insight1239 haki is better than most of there hax ryou is dura neg U see into the future with observation and conquers can knock out thousands of people at once and it can be activated while Ur knocked out U don't have to directly hit people with conquers coating
@@hororangihika8449 safe mode allows you to hit someone without touching them
Nine tails can take over for Naruto when he’s knocked out
Conqueror is kinda weak in a situation when you’re fighting a strong person
Sage mode can also make you sense things that could happen before they do(Madara’s beam)
So like yh
Not to mention Sharingan and Rinnegan
@@insight1239 Naruto dosnt have Sharingan or rineagan and as explained in the video he can only sense people with chakra so that wouldn't even work in the first place
@@insight1239 and I've never seen sage mode hit someone without directly hitting them yet Luffy can as he showed
after watching noodles ,I can finally say that Naruto fan literally like to powerscale a simile statement.
I wonder how they react to "Your beauty gazes in the whole universe ,like a burning star" lmao
Whoa there. While I completely disagree with noodles, he didn't just take a statement out of context. He gathered a lot of arguments that alone don't seem right, but when you put them together build a cool picture. I thinks he's absolutely wrong, but the gigawank video was pretty good
at least Noodles backs up statements if you understand the context of something it can be used in scaling
@@Jonah-c6z Lol same noodles who thinks a spear is a blunt force attack, talks over the whole video denying facts with his friends, gets Narutos speed absolutely wanked with no EVIDENCE, Claims he’s multiversal, can’t even understand blatant rubber, says toneris moon split is planetary, and I believe he said the ice continent feat was “mountain level” but go off 🤡
The fact that bro even had to nerf luffy on the fight in order to make the fight fair is crazy 😭 just shows how luffy smacks
bro nice video I like the fact that you scaled both of them with no head canons and scaled both of the fairly
Loved the video and I completely agree with you!
All of you naruto fans are complaining he downplayed luffy most of the times and exaggerated narutos claims and luffy still pulled the W
Edit: thank you for the likes
He definitely downplayed luffy’s speed and actual strength by a LARGE MARGIN
@@gwendellaugello7372 he down played Naruto in speed
he massively downplayed Naruto wdym? there are many higher scale metas for NAruto but he always takes the highest OP interpretation he always uses from his previous videos. he didnt accept Kurama turning the world to ash guide statement, but when it comes to Whitebeard he says its def isnt a hyperbole cuz Sengoku expierenced and islands were shaking... make it make sense
@@bennogb5069 Tell me one time Oda has stated something in the databook over 50 times as a hyperbole. Whitebeard is the strongest man, but u don’t believe he’s planetary (technically star) even though everyone around him is already that level?
And obviously he didn’t accept Kurama turning the world into ash. Kurama has nothing to do with powers or abilities that involve turning shit to ash, and it was only stated once, unlike WB who has like 20 statements.
@@bennogb5069 nope if your actually watched the video you would see he fucking downplayed him the whole time don’t go crying when you haven’t even watched the video
Such an amazing video and youtube channel 🏆
Thanks so much bro.
Horrific video he should be ashamed
@@Steinixosyou're pathetic
@@cw9468Watch the whole video before you comment this he provided huge amounts of facts and evidence for an hour straight 💀
@@cw9468 Lol okay random
You explanation of AP vs DP was perfect
Anal Penetration vs Double Penetration?
im sending this to every naruto vs luffy debate ever now
ok
Whoa man I'm not ready for this holy shit!! lol. I'm hype. Can't watch this right now but I'll get back to you and give my thoughts when I can.
You know I’m always interested in hearing what you have to say man. I even left out some things specifically to see if you’d cover them in your comment lol
@@Steinixos I give both of you some respect lol. Despite criticism and bias talking that you guys get for defending one piece; both of you still continue to forward.
I know I'm late for this naruto vs luffy, from watching this video; I do believe luffy would beat naruto and even if naruto is planet buster , luffy would still destroyed him. One thing I can asked - wouldn't naruto seal work on Luffy and easily won the match or no ?
Come back wtf dude it's been 7 months and you took a 0 biased take. What have you concluded personally
@@Sognafar I gave my take dude lol. It's somewhere under this video.
@@Steinixos Naruto very very very easily tanked a moon splitting attack with not even a visible scratch so even if luffy does ryou naruto would probably take a generous 5x damage because internal damage. Which still wouldn’t do much because even a moon level attack did nothing to naruto and as mentioned in the video luffy has multi-continental ap so even if naruto got scratched from the moon level attack and then multiplied times 5, it’s still not a lot of damage I don’t see luffy doing a whole lot. Plus naruto also has moon level ap as said in the video and can also use frog strike which bypasses durability as seen in the video, so luffy would be getting hit with moon level attacks from the inside. Plus luffy doesn’t have good internal durability like kaido because he hasn’t been fight ryuo users.
amazing video you are basically the best scaling youtuber
Thanks man
i’m going to respectfully disagree,
1. he didn’t bring up rasenshuriken destruction on a cellular level
2. Narutos clones don’t have the will power to stand up to conquerors? that’s cap
3. haku has the first light speed feats in naruto so narutos rxn and movement speed with 1 tail cloak is sol
4. lastly naruto also has precognition in sage mode they call it danger sensing
the don chinjao feats and meteor pixel scaling are trash imo we don’t know how big the ice continent is and all he did was split it
@@SocksDXebec Rasenshuriken attacks the chakra network. Luffy doesn't have a chakra network. furthermore. the rasenshuriken would need to cut through luffy's haki
You can disagree with willpower thing if you want, thats why i said "I think most people would agree"
1 cloak naruto is light speed because haku? LOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Naruto has precog because he can sense danger? LOL man sensing danger = seeing into the future? Cool
@@Steinixos what makes it limited to the chakra network? it also destroys the chakra network because it literally destroys (cuts) all the cells within its range and we know this is taking off luffys limbs if he gets hit by one based on sheer cutting power alone
and yes clearly haku is the first light speed feat to be shown also just shitting on the data book isn’t helping your case you’re saying kishimoto is hyperbolizing it but don chinjao portrayal isn’t lol
clones are a moot point 100 clones (all kakashi level in chakra) would overwhelm luffy im saying current Naruto sage mode is enough for luffy let alone kcm2 or baryon mode c’mon now again we don’t know how long gear 5th lasts
Congratulations you make one piece fan so happy with your 1 hours video
2:00 you could have talked about Buggy's Muggy Ball which has the same power as his Buggy Ball and yet only produces rather small explosion (higher AP than DC).
Man i was laughing soo hard when the "Planetary Naruto Because Databooks" part comes in.. bro that was peek comedy xd .. keep up the good work
Just finished the video and I want to say that it was absolutely great bro keep it up
Thanks so much man
@@Steinixos you low balled naruto so ducking hard debate me if you want ,you scale luffy planetery just because of a statement but not naruto are you serious
@@Steinixos helloooooooooo
@@Steinixos hellooooo
@@Steinixos hellooooo
THANK YOU for making this. So many people are just going off of vsbattle wiki profiles instead of the actual FULL context of both characters. I just went and looked at some other Luffy vs Naruto videos and every last one of them without fail completely misrepresented Luffy and Naruto in ways that make Naruto look stronger. You took into account the full context of everything here and officially proved why Luffy wins without a shadow of a doubt. No bias. Just facts. This is the best Luffy vs Naruto video on the internet. Straight up.
Some extra points(Sorry if I missed anything):
-The Noah Feat: This one is way more impressive than people give it credit for. Noah itself was an extremely durable ship. It literally crashed into an undersea mountain, and destroyed said mountain without getting so much as a scratch or a dent(Chapter 638). Luffy was destroying this durable ship 10k meters underwater while rapidly losing most of his blood and being weakened by the ocean. AND it's confirmed by the Sea Kings that he would have STILL completely obliterated the ship had he not been stopped(Chapter 647). Severely nerfed, Luffy on the Brink of death by blood loss was going to destroy an Island sized ship more durable than the island it was going to crash into. Thats just at the *start* of the timeskip. Not even taking into account Luffy at full health and how much his Haki levels up later. Again people constantly misrepresent and ignore this feat. Probably because it doesn't satisfy their obsession with pretty explosions.
-Small Note about Potency: Chapter 188 during Sanji vs Mr 2, Bon Clay explains attack potency. Oda clearly understands this concept given that he shows this philosophy throughout the series. In One Piece control is everything and “excess damage” is just sloppy. In Oda’s mind it seems like if the attack is truly strong it wouldn’t do unnecessary damage.
-Durability: You could just consider mental durability the same as endurance couldn't you? Also, I was expecting you to go over some of the insane things One Piece characters have tanked without Haki. Just to drive home the point that One Piece characters are extremely durable even thought Haki or Devil Fruits. Some good examples can be found with Usopp taking a 4 ton metal bat to the face and fighting with his skill shattered(Chapter 186). Lots of stuff to use in Zoro vs Mr 1, like Mr 1 sending Zoro flying into that building(Chapter 194) or when Zoro took Mr 1’s slashing attack directly on his body which did more damage to the pillar behind him meaning the pillar was tougher(Chapter 195). And plenty of other Skypeia feats like all the times characters got hit with lightning. Just some things you could have briefly skimmed through to make your point. But I can understand wanting to keep the focus on Luffy for the sake of time.
-Naruto Claims: I’m SO glad you exposed this. So many Naruto fans take stuff way out of context and use the databooks to straight up lie to make their verse seem stronger.
Just to add onto that, The Databooks primarily use what is known as a “simile”.
Simile Definition - : “a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by “like” or “as” (as in cheeks like roses)”
It’s a figure of speech i.e it’s by definition NOT literal. It’s metaphorical language.
So I don’t wanna see any of these Naruto fans trying to compare them to One Piece statements because stuff like Whitebeard or Chinjao’s statements are clearly NOT metaphors. The context clearly backs those statements up.
Another thing they like to purposely misinterpret is the chakra canon. They think it means a few dozen Ninja are Moon Level when logically it’s more likely the machine itself was simply converting/amplifying the chakra to suit it’s purpose.
-Luffy’s Potency: I’m glad you brought up the Doffy feat because thats another one that gets wildly misinterpreted. Again, the people who look at this feat are obsessed with environmental destruction. Thats why they gravitate towards the aftermath of the punch instead of the actual punch itself. But that was never the real feat. The real feat has always been Luffy busting Doffys strings. Even the Birdcage sliced up even bigger meteors than the ones they sliced up on Greenbit. Doffy’s Awakening Threads are even stronger than that AND they were stacked with Haki. Great breakdown. I'd scale his G3 in Dressrosa past Chinjao but it looks like you're setting it aside for this video.
-Rasenshurikens: I see a lot of people bringing these up and honestly I think it’s redundant. People are complaining that we talk about Armament Haki but again Armament is literally an invisible force field projected around the body. You can’t attack luffy on “teh cElLulaR leVel” when Haki is in the way. Whats more, it can be projected from a distance as Zoro and Yamato have also shown. Meaning if Naruto tried to fire a Rasenshuriken from a distance Luffy would just disrupt it with Armament or Conquerors from a distance causing it to explode prematurely before it even reaches him. Or just use future sight and attack Naruto before he even fires. It’s a lose lose situation. Even worse, Luffy just uses G5 and bounces any Rasenshuriken Naruto fires right back at him.
This was an excellent video. From what I’m seeing in the comments most people mad about this haven’t been able to refute it or address any of your points. Whats really wild is that you were being extremely generous to Naruto while leaving out a lot of stuff from Luffy. You granted Naruto so much when you didn’t have to and Luffy still came out on top. Standing ovation my brother. Well done.
Excellent points as usual man. And yeah the gear 5 reflection of rasenshurikens and biju bombs is something I specifically left out just to not dog pile on naruto
And I went out of my way to be as charitable to naruto as possible while downplaying luffy as as much as I could and making this video as comprehensive as possible such that it is literally 1 minute short of an hour yet there are still people grumbling that I didn’t cover their favorite silly arguments or their favorite pixel scaler or every single possible niche interaction that could potentially give naruto an edge. It is Absolutely wild man
There is even a comment from a guy, who seems to be an OP fan, saying that I or the thread I linked, covering the supposed “anti feats” to luffy’s blunt force immunity should’ve “addressed” vivi drawing blood from luffy with a punch in alabasta. Like what??????
For one hundred chapters prior to that, alvidia with a steel club and characters like Zoro and arlong and even in the flashback to luffy’s childhood, blue jam, a 3.3M Tall man with a giant wooden club, none of them could hurt luffy with a blunt force physical attack. But vivi… a literally normal girl… people literally think VIVI is more powerful than all these other characters? Like what???
Honestly seeing that comment especially shook me so hard. Because now I realize why one piece characters are chronically underestimated so much. It’s because the people in the OP fandom allow themselves to be caught up in absolutely nonsense thoughts and discussion
Like Obviously vivi can’t actually hurt luffy. Like How could any person in their right mind think that vivi is more powerful than all these other characters who can’t hurt luffy with blunt force physical attacks? Like what rational person would think that scene specifically needs to be “addressed”?
Honestly man. I don’t see the discourse getting any better when we have people, even within the fandom itself, who are stuck on absolutely inane arguments like that
@@Steinixos Thanks! Completely agreed. Yeah we shouldn't have to respond to silly arguments like gag scenes. It's not a moment meant to be taken seriously. But just to be generous I'll go ahead and clarify that just because you can make a One Piece character bleed a little doesn't mean you've actually "damaged" them. Axe hand Morgan makes Garp bleed(Chapter 104) but Garp didn't even notice. Chopper has made Queen bleed(Chapter 1007) but it's not treated as actual damage. Queen even confirms this after Him & Queen are attack by Zoro and Sanji respectively(1022-1023). Just some examples. But the main point is that Hot & Dry weather are the causes of Nose Bleeds. Alabasta being a Desert and the drying of the nasal cavity automatically makes people more susceptible to nose bleeds. So in that scene it likely has more to do with Alabasta's climate than Vivi's strength. But again, it's partially a gag due to Luffy's reaction and not meant to be serious.
People in the One Piece fandom often believe the lies of others. Hence why people believed all the lies of Naruto fans for so long. I think it stems from people not being knowledgeable of the series they're supporting, and thus not being confident in any of their claims/understanding of the series. Unfortunately it leads a lot of them to just roll over when they get challenged by stupid arguments.
Oh I misspoke on Zoro's feat against Mr 1. I meant to say Zoro's body was tougher than the Pillar.
Extremely well written.
@@emperorluffy6001 Exactly. It actually gets really irritating when people always just state that Naruto beat Luffy without any actual explanation other than it being widely accepted that Naruto is stronger, even though if we actually look at the two characters, Luffy wins this without a doubt.
Way to go dude
he didnt use the kurama planetary statement and still got naruto to planetary. why are yall complaining?? he scaled naruto properly. the kurama statement is a hyperbole. not meant to be taken seriously and he still got naruto to planetary and faster than light. yall mad cs naruto not solar system? because he used proper translations? naruto is not taking luffy's punches its that simple.
Excellent video man, it was as usual truthful and accurate
Thanks. That’s what I aim to be
@@Steinixos So let's just assume that luffy during pre timeskip is Speed of light (Even tho he should be 5 to 10 times ftl) So by that logic let's assume that base Hody is only five times ftl. Ok,then let's just say that Hody during fishman island only took 20 pills (Even tho he took much more) so 20 × 5= 100 times Ftl but base luffy was not only keeping up with luffy but also faster than him,so let's just assume that base luffy post timeskip should be 100 times ftl. Ok I hope you are keeping up with me,so luffy in Gear 2nd is 5 times stronger than his base form so 100×5= 500 times ftl,so gear 2nd luffy during fishman island is 500 times ftl (While heavily low-balled) After that we get to Dressrosa and in Dressrosa luffy uses Gear 4th which should be at least 4 times multiplier, so by this logic 4×500= 2000 times ftl. But this is not even his fastest form, during Whole cake Island luffy was getting blitzed by Katakuri in Gear 4th but luffy after fighting Katakuri for few hours was able to keep with him in base so by this logic let's low-ball luffy here and assume that luffy after whole cake Island in Gear 2nd should be faster than Gear 4th luffy from Dressrosa,ok so by this logic luffy's Gear 4th after whole cake should be much much faster,if we multiply the speed of speed of gear 2nd luffy (Which Lowballed should be as fast as Gear 4th luffy from Dressrosa) so multiplying 4×2000= 8000 times ftl. I'm not going to count wano because I hope you understand how fast luffy is even tho I Lowballed the hell out of him (Remember I haven't used wano luffy and I have Lowballed him so much but in reality he should be alot faster) Again if anyone wants to debate I will debate them and anyone debunks my arguments then sure I will accept that I was wrong. I have scaled him to hundreds of billions but I'm not going to use those arguments unless someone says that Naruto is universal or something stupid like that,btw can you make a video Debunking alot of the Naruto being universal claims
@@blackcatpirates8134 ?! ;-;
how do u know it's truthful? are u oda or kishimoto?
@@michalvrabec454 I read both one piece and naruto. Also he's explaining with the panels being right in your face, so you wouldn't know he's making up things. A lot of power scalers don't do that or if they do, the would put in the wrong scans or interpret something wrong.
but the truth-seeking orbs were not just destroyed with physical attacks, the susanno one had nature energy enhancing it, and guy just hit madara through his truth-seeking orb bubble while madara had six paths chakra. so unless a normal character without nature energy and/or six paths chakra managed to break one then you can't claim that any physical attack can destroy a truth-seeking orb.
Usually you'd be right, but gear 5 has tiny toon force due to Luffys mvp hacks and reality warping
Pretty good take tho tbh.
You literally said someone who did, guy punched through it?? Tf are you on about
@@S0ulsol1d no i literally said what happened in the post from the start. "guy just hit madara through his truth-seeking orb bubble while madara had six paths chakra." do you read or not?
@@Supreme-AMVs yeah i did read it. At the end you said “unless a normal character without sage or sp chakra breaks one it cant be broken without one of those two” but earlier in the comment you mentioned guy who broke it with nothing but brute force not sage ot sp chakra
GET THIS MAN ON DEATH BATTLE, AND LET HIM NARATE LUFFY VS NARUTO
Nah he downplayed Naruto very too hard.
As expected of a one piece fans
@@kawaaii5368 Naruto at most is small moon level and thats heavily generous
@@jaw5956 Luffy at most is multi mountain to Low island level and I am generous
@jaw5956 I think u forget about how in the databook it says “Kurama could turn the world to ash” and also all the tailed beasts are similar in strength to kurama who all except for one til got tamed by has it a a who naruto is one hundred percent stronger then which would technically put him in multi planet level
@@Chocolatebijuu databooks arent canon, they have been ruled out by the powerscaling community via horrible translation and claims not backed up by the series
I’m happy that you used something other than the Fishmen energy steroids to scale Luffy because that left too many uncertainties for me. The meteor calc is wonderful. I’m finally accepting of One Piece being a greater than country level series.
Wait till u see the other calculations that put Luffy at Multiversal and Immesurable speed.
@@itskxmi 💀
I think those planet level, city level, country level powerscaling are kinda dumb, destructive power different from fighting capabilities.
@@itskxmi those are dumb fr putting luffy at high planetary or small star is reasonable and steinixos confirmed the high planetary part even after downplaying the diffrence between g2 and g3 in terms of power to just 0.1% because the actual percentage is not confirmed and so people don't get mad and the calculation shows a very acurate result that's less than luffy's actual destruction capacity or the same so luffy is large planetary minimum
@@itskxmi bro think luffy is ichigo 💀
All Naruto fans do is ramp up their scaling when backed against the wall 😂 they just pull shit out of their ass when faced with real facts about Luffy and the OP world. Fishman arc Luffy is overkill enough for most of Konoha. Gear 5 is just unfair
I can provide the link and time stamp for when he said that if you demand it.
true true
most of them are really seething in the comment sections fr
master baiter#6956
stfu Luffy doesn’t get past multi continental
BRO, YOU ARE SO BASED! Everything you say is literally just pure facts
That was awsome... Also i never realised how broken luffy really was.
the clones have the same mental fortitude as Naruto, considering genjutsu no longer works on him
as always fking breathtaking video, i am normally very strict on those scaling and vs videos but you are the first one i couldnt debunk.
I mean literally anything can be debunked online but that doesn't mean said thing that was debunked was wrong
i can easily debunk half of his claims and he didnt even quantify most of luffy's feats
plus it was a very bias vid
@@verge..576 then debunk it good luck sir :)
@@gogon7394 hes right its very bias
@@gogon7394 i sent another message in the comment section where i kinda debunked it
not really cuz that would take alot of typing but u should read that comment use the filter option to read the latest comments ul find it
This is the greatest video discussing this topic.
I am just here to see naruto and one piece fans battling against each others using their headcanon theories in the comment section
This guy gonna find a way for luffy to gear goku next.
Never going to happen goku is low balled at mutiversal and high balled at omniversal at this point outside of rimuru and yhwach there isn't many characters able to compete at that level of power
@@breckenmagleby7053 I can name tons
@Techsar71 name them then cus unless you have complete reality warping hax like the characters I stated above there really isn't especially current Manga goku and if you don't have immunity to being wiped from reality like rimuru then it's still up in the air cus goku has hakai which literally destroys your very existence on a fundamental level so go ahead I'll wait mind you every character you say has to have multiple times ftl reaction time or goku is literally going to wash them
Mont'd ore scaling makes luffy multiversal, so yeah luffy beats goku.
Gona send this to everyone who said Naruto low diff luffy 😂😂
Great video. Could you make a video Zoro vs Sasuke?
I do think a solid bit of the battle depends on if Naruto and Luffy have prior knowledge about eachothers abilities...
rlly good video. glad u covered this
Yup. Not seeing anyone else actually accurately representing one piece characters in these battles
Love the video your destroyed all the Naruto claims of universal
I hope he does Bleach next.
@@mistercontroversial Naw bleach is actually universal, bleach has the strongest characters of the big 3
@@nf5322 No it is not. I am sick of this lie going around. In fact, I’d go so far as to argue that it is the weakest verse of the Big 3, the feats do not stack up to the other two. The best that Bleach has is questionable statements.
@@mistercontroversial 😳 Im not a Bleach power scaler or anything but who is beating Aizen?!?!
@@nf5322 Anyone who is strong and does not see his shikai. There are even people who can get around it. Aizen also could get wiped out from hax or an AoE attack.
Got here through 333vil..great content bro u pit a lot of work and research
Haven’t seen it yet, but I am pumped at the concept.
I wrote a comment on why i think Naruto wins can you read it and give me your thoughts on it.
Sure, let me find it.
Gotta love when people pulls out the chakra won't work the same in the this verse, but 100% ok with haki working just fine in any verse out there???
Ikr???
“The orbs?” countered by HAKI.
“The clones?” knocked by out by HAKI.
“Ok so Luffy can counter Naru’s clones and orbs, well at least Naruto can sense Luffy and…” nah bro chakra doesn’t work in other verses.
“…Rasenshuriken? Other strong jutsu?” That’s chakra bro so it won’t affect Luffy, also HAKI counters other moves.
The downplay of Naruto throughout the video is so goddamn annoying; I mean even having moon to planetary AP is practically irrelevant because Luffy is “immune to blunt force trauma” Like what?? Does Luffy’s fights with Lucci where he clearly bleeds after getting hit with blunt force not ring a bell? Are you implying Luffy has planetary durability due to his DF alone?
(Sorry for writing this, something just clicked after reading your post)
@@gdmewmewgod6653Naw i be thinking the samething bro, it’s so annoying. I don’t have a problem with Luffy beating Naruto its a cartoon idc but they literally try and cheese their way into wins by saying nothing would work cause they know Naruto would work that boy.
@@gdmewmewgod6653 yeah haki has feat that blow the cloud away
meanwhile Charka feat is Creating and Destroying time-space continuum, Altering Reality and Boruto keep power creeping it up too
ehhhh, that's mainly for the genjutsu argument, but go off i guess :/
@@daryllfavortio6944time space ? Like tell the ep and chapter
From now on am the biggest fan of this guy
THANK YOU SO MUCH I WANTED TO HEAR THIS SO MUCH
that data book entry you have in 21:32 despite the god like comments the fact it says he’ll never back down from adversity shows he wouldn’t be knocked out by conquerors haki because that’s basically what conquerors haki is overpowering someone’s will. so if this fodder ninja isn’t getting slept by conquerors haki you need to reevaluate narutos clones being knocked by conquerors
hes talking about the clones not naruto the clones have their own mind and can take a toll on naruto as shown in narutos rasenshuriken training arc
@@wyzeinfinity7243 yeah their own mind which wouldn’t be overwhelmed by conquerors haki each of these clones is naruto so his will power his stupidity everything that comes with it a burst of conquerors won’t just knock them out luffy would have to hit them and if they are kcm clones he’ll need haki to beat them forsure
@@SocksDXebec but still conqures has physical area damage and considering luffy having better senses cuz naruto can sense him i don't think the clones bose an issue
@@bailong9698 Naruto can sense beings in a separate dimension. He can sense Luffy in the same dimension as him
@@purplemoon1191 luffy has no chakra naruto senses chakra thus making it harder for him to sense luffy and luffy can sense through dimension he did it in the reasent film red and luffy can sense emotions and life force power lvl aura and all of that on a Country lvl
Here's my take on Rasenshuriken and Truth Seeking Orbs. Depending on how you think Haki, DF Abilities and Chakra interact it's all completely debatable. For the TSOrbs, Naruto has never been able to manifest them after his 1st SO6P transformation. So you honestly can't use that in Naruto's arsenal. Though I personally don't see Luffy surviving that if he does get hit. Unless you can accept that the Nika fruit can rubberize and render it useless. And quite impossible to tell if the orb can erase Haki. But the orbs shouldn't even be in the debate cause again Naruto most likely can't use those again because if he could in Boruto then he would have. While the Rasenshuriken, should still be able to damage Luffy if it does hit him but not outright one shot him. Though possible interaction is that Luffy rubberize it or swats it away with Conq coated Adv. Armament. I think Luffy could tank one, bear in mind that he himself is also a Mythical Zoan user which also has heightened durability and recovery rate. With the introduction of G5, there are so much about it we don't know yet. And the low level reality warping could almost negate every of Naruto's ranged attacks.
I’m obviously not saying that Luffy can’t tank a TSO but Naruto still has those in Boruto. To have TSO you either have to have Sage of six path chakra mode or the chakra of all the tailed beasts, Naruto has the two of those we’ve seen him use SO6P mode in Boruto from his eyes that have 2 perpendicular lines and he’s also stated to be the jinchuriki of all the tailed beasts in Boruto. So yes he can use them but why doesn’t he use them? We need to ask the animators and developers.
Haha Sakura could this health
The Statement is invalid and Sakura is the proof.
Btw Naruto Had no more Godudama since his fight against Sasuke
@@jeremybegard3337 Actually no he can't use them . The TSOs are made by using ying and yang release and was stated to only be created by Kaguya. Naruto's TSOs were destroyed in the sasuke fight and the Kaguya fight and since he can't recreate them , they're gone forever.
Luffy stands no chance against a planet lvl character. Until luffy is planetary then yes.
@@TheLastVortex5
Luffy is Planetary
See Wano Volcano
The volcano is so Big how ours Earth.
Luffy punched Kaido through the Wano volcano ( = ours Earth )
The volcano is 4-5 times bigger than the Wano Continent.
You forgot to mention that Truthseeker orbs can only be touched by people with Yin and/or Yang chakra release. Sasuke broke the Truthseeker orb with his Susanoo because his Susanoo has Yin chakra release, and could therefore touch it. Madara's Truthseeker shield was broken because Madara's body was used like a glove by Guy, so it was Madara's body (Containing Six Paths chakra, or Yin and Yang release) that actually made the physical contact to break the orb. Otherwise, Guy would have disintegrated.
..... I've seen the same point be argued on multiple forums when this is pointed out. There, and likely here with Steinixos as well, is that the intention was not to simply say that if it can be broken, it will be broken - only that it is not completely indestructible and if one can interact with it without harming themselves, the only question should be if one can deliver enough force to destroy it.
Steinixos believes that Luffy's advanced Colour of Conqueror's haki (CoC) over his Colour of Arm haki (CoA) would allow Luffy to interact with it, without making direct physical contact, thus preventing Luffy from suffering any consequences. I don't think Steinixos brought it up, but Luffy mixing advanced CoA into his strike, could also result in the TruthSeeker Orb (TSO) being damaged from the inside (It's never been proven to be durable enough to withstand this type of attack because nothing in that world can strike it this way - even the hyuga gentle fist and frog kumite both utlize chakra and is predictably rendered ineffective). I've seen this discussion play out online, and in person. The first question usually asked is whether energies are equalized.... seeing as how the first thing Steinixos said was that in this hypthetical, there was to be no equalization of chakra and haki, you cannot just assume haki would be similarly affected by a TSO. It has to be argued and proven that TSO could affect CoA the same as any substance.
So... to proceed, we need to identify what Haki is.... Haki itself is not life force or tied to it - proven by how, unlike chakra from the narutoverse, Someone like Luffy completely exhausting all of his Haki did not result in his death or even place him in a near death condition (a fan asked Oda why Luffy could move after using G4 in WCI, but not after using it in Dressrossa... his answer, Luffy could always have just have ran in dressrossa, but it would only utilize the little stamina he has that he needs to finish the fight). I've seen Haki translated to willpower or ambition as well as spirit (considering the context, spirit likely means the same as the first two translations).
There is no evidence the TSO can affect willpower/ambition as they do physical matter. But in OP-verse the utilization of even basic CoA haki allows one to touch a logia's "real body" or force it into solidity, without being affected by element itself - i.e., hit someone like Akainu, dealing real damage to his actual body, without being burned. Advanced CoC haki allows one to attack without making direct contact.
Luffy, via utilizing advanced haki, is 1) forcing the TSO to clash with something it has never proven to be capable of destroying or even encountered and 2) employing the traits of advanced CoC and Co to destroy it from while ensuring that he would not making direct physical contact with it.
Additionally ... What he did not explain more of, and I am slightly disappointed by this not being mentioned, is what the TSO is comprised of and how the five elements achieve one effect, and the yin-yang release another. And after that, how Luffy's abilities in G5 would interact with them.
Jutsu's that utlize chakra natures are hardly simple and manipulating its shape on top of that is described to be extremely diffictult (e.g., kakashi helping naruto with resenshuriken training). As confirmed in Naruto chapter 689, TSO use all five chakra natures combined to achieve its effect of the target to dust. Yin-yang release, which can nullify jutsu (as mentioned by tobirama), is why edo tensei don't regenerate from it (3rd hokage regrew his head and arms because Juubito did not utilize yin-yang release when he was struck).
Luffy's awakening, the ability to turn things into rubber, can affect solid, and even living things like Kaido into rubber, as well as natural lightning which he used to swing from in the skies.
Luffy changing even one of the five elements into rubber would likely alter, if not completely remove its disintegrating effect - hardly impossible considering how, as it is composed of chakra it would be comprised of both solid and spiritual energy
If Luffy weren't serious and allows himself to get hit (I'm with Steinixos, in saying that Luffy has a clear speed advantage, even without his Obs. haki), the yin-yang release, is unlikely to nullify Luffy's regenerative powers as they do not come from chakra, or even haki. Luffy can likely ignore it, in a toon-like fashion, just as he was injured from Kaido's burn (ash black, in one panel, and then fine the next)
Simple answer luffy doesn't need to break it or touch it luffy can use adv conq hami and force it to break or change its direction and alter stuff luffy can even turn things to rubber without touching.
he will jsut turn it into rubber
depending on how advance conqueror would go against those orbs, i see no absolute answer. Afterall, adv coc can only be counter by another adv coc or haki(ryuo).
Got to the part where you mentioned Luffy’s immunity to blunt force; while the thread did a good job of addressing most instances of anti feats, I didn’t see them address Vivi making Luffy bleed with her punches in Alabasta.
Yeah because it makes no sense cover every single scene like that. Anyone who seriously think vivi could hurt luffy with a punch is probably someone not worth taking to
It's the same thing with Nami it's for comedic effect 100% of the time.
Writing it off as a one time inconsistency with Luffy’s established durability, sure, but it’s not like the Nami moments; the moment I’m talking about is played very seriously given Luffy calling out Vivi’s self sacrificial nature.
It wasn’t for comedy. But hold on, you think I or anyone else need to go into an in-depth discussion, as to why Vivi can’t actually hurt luffy with a hit? You are posing this as a serious topic rn?
I’m mostly raising this as a potential counterpoint just because it’s something that bugged me ever since I reread Alabasta; given that it’s one inconsistency vs the rest of Luffy’s feats, I’m willing to chalk it up to Luffy biting his lip like when Kuro kicked him.
Your smart af bro! Love the analysis and videos. Keep up the good bro.
Very good video 🐵👍 nearly perfect, good job
Thanks man
Bro said 🐵👍
@@mahoraga1528 yep 🐒
nah it was very flawed, he missed many points and ignored alot of them aswell even to the point of blatntly disregarding them for his own convenience
@@D_Owo he nearly brought up every ability they use and their strongest and analysed them... Something many many people don't do
Damn bruh your video's blowing up!
Love to see it
During Sasuke's battle with Itachi, Zetsu says lightning is impossible to dodge, and he comes from Kaguya and has seen many of history's most OP Shinobi in action. So I 100% agree that what Naruto evaded wasn't Madara's "lightspeed" attack, but instead Madara turning his head.
It's always hilarious to me when people try and give lightspeed to physical things/people, yet also try and use scientific measurements for other things. Talk about trying to have your cake and eat it too
but pre time skip luffy is light speed?
@@bear1921 is he? In the example given in this video, did he dodge the beam and call it slow after it had already fired, or is it more like what happened with Naruto and Madara where he dodged the person?
From what I've heard, the Admiral's lightspeed attacks/movements are straight lines. If so then Luffy can predict where they'll be *before* they occur and act accordingly. In other words, he called the user slow, not the beam of light. Even a normal human can technically dodge a bullet if the person holding the gun is moving in slow motion.
yeah except young kakshi cut a litteral lightening bolt in half
@@corruptangel6793 Even chopper can react to a laser shot at point blank range while being caught in thought. And Chopper does not have any haki so he relys on his own reflexes.
@@relaxoirl5920 if he's reacting to, and dodging the literal "laser" beam itself, then all I can say is it's bad writing on Oda's part or, because of the overly cartoonish nature of his story, it's just not meant to be taken as seriously as scalers like the guy in this video are trying to make it.
If an object with *any* mass is capable of moving at light speed, then the most casual tap of that object could catastrophically damage anything, as reaching lightspeed would require infinite energy. Meaning Chopper would literally have infinite physical attack power and could shatter worlds and rupture spacetime with the most casual of taps. In other words, forget about island, continent or even planetary level, he'd be universal. A true transcendent being.
This is the most one piece biased video I've ever seen. If you're arguing feat vs feat, Naruto characters have feats that support Naruto's AP being well above what you're claiming, but u instead wanted to show your complete bias by denying everything YOU disagree with in the databooks to underscale Naruto and overscale Luffy. There's no point in even arguing on this channel bcuz it shows u will deny any and everything that supports Naruto is stronger. I was actually excited to see a true power scaler, but it seems all i found was another fanboy overscaling a series to make it seem stronger
You had me until you mentioned the cloned being negged by conquerors haki.
Naruto, clones included, have to many factors that could derail that point, especially with Kurama in the argument.
Not negged bro he said mental strain
He meant even if the conqueror haki did less damage to each clone it would cause the real body a huge mental strain
Seriously, while Naruto’s clones have less physical durability for sure. Mentally they’ve been shown to be just as capable as the main Naruto. Conqueror’s Haki likely isn’t canceling them out.
Many factors? Name 3.
@@salemnlandu3004 Kurama
Sage of six paths chakra
Inherent Will Power
^To that point even if conquerers haki was just a form of pressure crush like reiatsu, it would only work on a form with lower willpower. You're not gonna sit here and debate with me on weather or not the two protagonist with fucking dreams, can out will each other. That'd be a moot point.
Now go ahead and tell me why none of this works so I can read it and move on.
Such a great video, unbiased and you have shown you did a lot of research on both manga and anime, no one can say that you have only watched or read one piece, again, Great video.
Unbiased is crazy go watch noodles debunk his whole vid and prove everytime he’s biased💀
Lol the video downplays naruto so much and upscale one piece characters
@@godspeed6980 can you tell what he downplayed he was literally debunking every statement you narutotards use which are not even real
Unbiased? He literally wears luffys hate the whole video
@@dyllongraves5776 well he mentioned all fake feats about naruto and debunked it plus he wasn't downplaying naruto because he was putting naruto on very best and worst scenario but the outcome was same
Perfect analysis. I think this is your best analysis since the ''admirals vs ninjas'' or ''how fast are one piece characters?'' videos, I have zero gripes with this video.
no,is not a perfect analisys,is simple i like luffy more than naruto.
@@Sonic2024freedomera literally crying
@@gamingspirt4281 I always wonder what they mean by crying? When someone cries, they pour liquid out of their eyes.
@@Sonic2024freedomera crying for their fav character
@@gamingspirt4281 i only cry when something hurts in my body...the ending of adventure time...
no,i can't,i can't,i can't,i want to,to sleep
Lmao this guy bashes pixel scaling but then right after his whole strength scale for luffy is based on pixel scale
Very good video, there is something I wanna address is that naruto can still use all the tailed beast chakra (before baryon mode) so naruto being able to use stuff like rasenshuriken. I did look up one of the moves naruto has and it’s called magnet release rasengan and what it does it seals the enemy in place making them literally stuck in place. Now I believe once naruto does use this attack on luffy, naruto would be able to use what ever move he wants to even a lava rasenshuriken, he can use boil release to enhance his strength.
Now for all of y’all who think luffy can turn Naruto’s kurama avatar into rubber, what is chakra made out of? It’s spiritual energy, luffy can’t turn spirtual energy into rubber because what makes up spiritual energy? What are the components, the atoms within it?
I will say luffy has a bit more durability and endurance but naruto has more stamina and abilities.
For now naruto wins, I’m not tryna downplay luffy (if i am sorry about that) though luffy can use ryou, but that won’t work since naruto can heal himself.
Naruto can make 1000 clones and still have enough chakra to fight for 2 more days, and naruto is way more unpredictable.
Naruto wins mid-high diff
Edit: I read the description and the rasenshuriken has been stated to cut the BODY at a cellular level.
1. Armament haki
2. Future sight + much higher speed
3.he very well can turn chakra into rubber as when it is used it is manifested and therfore very real, luffy can turn anything into rubber
4. Naruto is going to run out of chakra much faster as he is constantly using chakra to survive in the battle, notice how in boruto naruto seems to have less stamina, that is because he is using so much more chakra
He explained why it would not be a good idea to use the clones, check the video's summary
I completely disagree, but most of all…Naruto is nowhere near as unpredictable as Luffy, who is literal rubber
Rasenshuriken cutting the body at the celluilar level means nothing, it just sounds cool. Anytime you get hurt it damages your body at the cellular level. This is one of the biggest misconceptions in Naruto.
When u watch Naruto clearly 💯💯💯
i see a ton of powerscalers talk about this and a lot of them are pretty bias, i watched a video from a guy who seemed very unaware of the one piece verses power while knowing like everything about naruto, and another guy who knew everything about one piece but hardly much about naruto
it’s nice to see someone who covers all feats on both sides
All naruto fans are mad because someone has done some real research 😂😂😂
Great video. I watched it to the end and I enjoyed it.
not well, I thought that luffy would have an advantage only in 5 gear, but after watching this video, I understand that luffy with this HAKI is able not just to fight on equal terms with naruto, but even to win, but I noticed that you missed one moment in comparison, this is luffy's emotional state in the form of 5 gear, think about it in the battle of luffy first it will be as serious as possible and Naruto will be able to study Luffy, but then Luffy turns on 5 gear and his behavior is completely different from the past, which is why naruto can just go into a stupor and stop taking luffy seriously, which will be fatal for naruto, and Luffy himself will remind Dante from DMC, he will be a trickster who will simply drive the enemy out of himself constantly laughing and fooling around
Luffy in the latest chapter got his teeth knocked out and he grew the back, so he should have a healing factor now
Lol
@ㅤApartheid I'm not talking about that I'm talking about chapter 1047, he got his teeth knocked out and he grew them back without drinking milk
Luffy is a zoan fruit user.
Awakened zoan fruits have a healing factor.
Stated back in impel down
@@michaeldhaliwal68 one thing I don't understand is how the hell is there a cow in impel down and Dalton is also a cow, wtf?
@@MaxBlight same base fruit but different models.
Dolton is a bison.
The guard is cow.
It's the same as chopper and sengoku.
Same base fruit but different models
Mr Universe. This was outstanding! 👏🏾
Nah... Let's be honest. Only extreme Naruto fans didn't finish the video cos' you debunked their universal power level headcanons with Perfect facts, too Perfect.
I can't believe I've never come across this since you uploaded it. Glad you didn't wank Luffy nor Naruto but straight up used only proper manga feats and real statements.
Honestly you deserve everyone's sub and like. The time and effort you put is unmatched. I'm definitely going to learn a lot from you...
I just want to ask, but do you think Genjutsu can work on Luffy, Law or Kid and those stronger than them or slightly below them (Warlords and Worst Generation captains and YC1/2/3 , Zoro, Sanji and Killer and the Akazay 9)... Personally (1) I think it won't work on anybody who can withstand Conqueror Haki wave, (2) I think it won't work on anybody who's soul couldn't be harmed/collected by Big Mom and (3) I believe anybody who has withstood near death battles (Luffy, Law and Kid{vs Kaido, vs Shanks, vs Big Mom... Kid really be fighting them Yonkos 🤔💀} would have resistance to Genjutsu since near death battles literally requires the highest level of mental strength for who ever is fighting to stay alive.
So what's your thought on that.
Thanks for clearing this up... Really love the video, the length didn't matter as you kept on saying facts, keep up the good work Bruh. Now if a Naruto fan wants to make noise anywhere I know where to send them 😅.
+1 from Lawless Weeb here, One Piece AMV creator 😗...
Oh btw what's also your take on Zoro fans saying he'll beat Oden, Law and Kid 💀 ...and your take on Zoro vs Sanji currently
@@LinkedHero thanks. I've watched one already tho. The recent one.
Anyways thanks
the fact he had to debunk in naruto more than anything really tells you something
That Naruto fans spew out bullshit and exaggerate feats?
@@OmnipotentSaiyan exactly
@@OmnipotentSaiyan yup
It tells you that he's biased. Lol it's pretty obvious honestly that he is
@@someyeeterontheblock2421 he didnt even use the highest scales for luffy
Luffy literally played jump rope with a dragon, not only that but can completely modify his environment to his imagination’s extent.
why does that matter. He slammed kaido in gear 5. Kidd slammed kaido in base form. One Piece is the most inconsistent power system of the big 3
@@ave383 bro kidd slammed kaido ima need to see what ur watching bro kaido was letting them attack him after all of laws luffys and kids attacks kaido wasnt phased u just a hater bruh stay mad that luffy beats naruto
@@ave383bro watching two piece 💀
Yo a jamaican youtuber les gooo continue making your vids
Something I wanna say as a one piece fan is that Luffy dodging the lightbeams is underestimated by a lot. He said after dodging the loght beam "Too slow". This means that more than likely he is capable of dodging something twice as fast as the speed of light. This means that the amount of growth he has gained across the whole other episodes of one piece, he is probably 4 times faster than the speed of light. He also gained better observation haki allowing him to see in the future. This makes me estimate that luffy can dodge something about 5 times faster than light.
In base lol, not including gears. He's just unstoppable to anybody in Naruto
First of all if u know that an attack is coming few seconds in advance u can dogde no matter the speed so obs haki doesnt make him faster. And then reaction speed isnt actual speed, plus he only moved his head which is even easier.
bro stfu i did research thoes beams wernt light if they were y didnt he doge kizarus attacks naruto negs
@@doe_shun7871 no naruto beats luffys easily.
@@tfg_sinser9685 Im not saying it makes him faster im saying it makes him more efficient at dodging.
Finally unbiased youtuber
That is the biggest lie I've ever seen
Bro is lying to himself
@@TegaOruma true
@@TegaOruma true
Most *biased youtuber lol. Naruto destroys.
we didnt get to see bayron mode to its fullest extent because he could only do physical attacks due to issiki absorbing, he killed momoshiki with a normal giant rasengan which had to be sent to the upper atmosphere to not cause massive damage, we know he cauld have made this a rasenshuriken and even then the multiplier of bayron mode is like nuclear fusion, making hundreds of times stronger energy source, so this new planet level rasengan will wipe out luffy because it is not a blunt force attack and it has millions of chakra blades atomizing him, personally i think a normal rasenshuriken is enough but if you want to nuke the planet
Bayron mode is not stronger then paths naruto
Lmao Naruto fanboys just start saying shit
@@luffylength try to disprove what I said
@@lapisspiderman The first half is literally all head canon. You're claiming what he might be able to do when it was never showed. A baseless claim of "making hundreds of times stronger energy"
You're literally making shit up lmao
And what the hell are you talking about "they had to send the rasengan into the upper atmosphere" bro when did that happen? The shit kills momoshiki and doesn't even destroy the whole tree behind him
Thanks for linking my blog (Luffy's blunt force immunity blog), one of the few people to use my stuff and actually give credit back to me
No prob man
@@Steinixos how does it feel getting debunked so hard lmao
@@D_Owoby who ? Naruto verse nor boruto have strength,speed and hax to contend on the new world
@@Anticap17 base Boruto blitzes anyone on the one piece verse💀💀💀
@@D_Owo with what feat ? Tell me any panel saying lightspeed in boruto or naruto
This guy Biased as hell... He mentioned Momoshiki feats like just hax and with half power he defeated him at that point Naruto scales way above Luffy... Naruto scales up to Multi solar system level because Momoshiki creates dimensions with multiple stars (Tier 4A)...not only that he shows Momoshiki atnti feats it is obvious that momo plays with kage just by his personality like madara... also anti feats are irrelevant because it is same as saying Saitama and Goku is wall level because they get scratched by a cat and folded by a laser....Also Momoshiki did destroy a star because it is mentioned star was dying (Means super novad) if star was already supernovad then why did Momoshiki plants a god tree on if every living things already wipe out....So in case of luffy AP = His durability.. Luffy can atmost scale to multi Continental so Luffy can't tank Naruto solar system level AP... Rubber gets obliterated...Not only that he never mentioned MFTL Traveling speed and tracking speed of sasuke rinnegen.....lots of things he doesn't mention... Luffy may win if both characters are multi continental then his argument is true (Because Luffy has lots of things in combat to use) but this guy failed to realise that Naruto scales way above Luffy ....
You having a one piece profile picture and are calling out one piece glazing you my friend get my respect
Yo, Ignore these new comments about this TH-camr called Noodle🤔, who spoke about your video and said Naruto is multiversal with him beating Luffy with respective ease.
It's really sad seeing, so much toxicity in the power scaling community with people being one side while some people are just trying to enjoy as many perspectives there are on how each character with match up with one another.
LMFAO. This video is horrible and I doubt you even watched the whole thing, you probably got bored of his constant rambling and skipped through it.
First off all he used other databooks to debunk planetary naruto, which is moot as there are calcs online that get naruto to planetary anyway, then he says naruto isn't even continental with his puches which is also moot. I doub't he can even scale naruto as he uses vsbattles for him and they cant scale him lmao.
The databooks he used to debunk like mind transfer is dumb as I don't ever recall it being dodged. Madara was a hyperbole because it was clearly contradicted. Temari blowing away the world is in retrospect to her surpising everyone with her showings in the war, not her blowing up the planet, and you'd know this if you read it and understood the contex.
The whole observation haki point is moot, Naruto is resistant to that crap because of kurama, something which all of the clones would also have.
He heavily downplayed naruto's speed and didn't bring up the fact that multiple other characters in the verse have light speed attacks that other fodder characters in part one and pre war arc react to.
Saying luffy is resistant to blunt force damage is just a straight up no limits fallacy, and here he is even being hypocritical as he says because something is stated multiple times it has to be true, that logic can be applied to the MULTIPLE planetary statements in naruto for characters FAR weaker then even TEEN naruto let alone his adult variant. And just because no one in Luffy's verse can injure him with physical attacks doesn't mean that naruto can't. Luffy is getting hit by characters who are at most Multi Continental where as naruto is at least Moon+. Thats THOUSANDS of times difference.
Overall naruto slams luffy no diff them proceeds to slam his verse.
Tho this is a one piece hideout channel, and I doub't your even gonna read and address what i say to you so i don't really care.
@@KcMove2Smoove
Sorry but I'm not going to read that Essay of an explanation💀 besides your not the power scaler in this anyways, so why should I listen to you?
Toxic pricks like you are the reason why most people stay away from anime with the constant ships, death thearts to the author, and say this character can beat that character
@@KcMove2Smoove oh i see a child crying
@@gamingspirt4281 🤓
@@KcMove2Smoove still crying so sad
I could fall asleep listening to you say “buggy bomb”
Hopefully this video helps to put an end to the One Piece downplay.
It won't. Narutards are delusional. I was talking to someone who thought that G5 Luffy was only pain arc sage naruto level. I don't know how much crack you'd have to smoke to come to a conclusion like that....
It’s not downplay it’s wank💀
@@shuuush6696 He literally wanked nothing in this video but sure, make baseless claims. Thats really all you have at this point.
@@shuuush6696 Lol Luffy destroys Naruto. Cry about it.
@@mistercontroversial base naruto solos lol
the fact that you are even downplaying one piece as much as possible and using the best maximum out of naruto just shows how unbiased you are
ok
Best maximum for naruto is star level to solar system. I haven't started the video so I presume he didn't use that scaling
@@Shadow-fb2ec He disproved it in the video.
@@mistercontroversial i agree that naruto isn't solar but I was just pointing out thag he can be highballed to solar system level
@@Shadow-fb2ec People can claim that he is multiversal, doesn’t mean he is. The video debunks Solar System level Naruto… heck, even I could do it. Anyone who tries to argue that Naruto is solar system level is beyond hope. If they make the claim, then they have to show the feat to prove it.
hardcore naruto fans after listening to a 1 hour long video with actual evidence on how luffy wins: Nuh UUH
There was no evidence. It was just a biased analysis that waste people time by negating naruto feats and overexaggerating luffy feats.
@@ave383elaborate with actual arguments
@@somerandomguy7677 For example, the truth seeker orbs, the guy in the video completely shrugged them off "Oh yea they won't be a big deal"
Even though it's obvious that truth seeker orbs are an instant win, legit no one could do anything about them without Six paths chakra/sage mode/ or without sacrificing a limb or two.
THIS guy got misinformation lol 😂... Truth seeking orb not broken by Guy because only six path Cherecters can break it Madara himself break the TSB... Not only that this guy scales WB to planetary with a hyoerbole statement lol 😂😂
This guy got Chakra wrong and conveniently left out the fact that getting hit by naruto baryon mode cuts the person's lifespan in half. That's per hit. He left out genjustu, sealing techniques and the fact that naruto has every nature release, including yin and yang. Luffy is strong and tough but narutos kit is much wider and versatile. This was a shit video by a op stan.
I subbed and perhaps even turned on the notification bell 👀
Ps: great video
Naruto was able to sense madara in limbo you’re just going to skip that 😂 39:01
That ability is irrelevant as Luffy doesn't exist on a separate plane of existence
Because Naruto sensed negative emotions from the clones. Or he sense bad/evil chakra. Luffy doesn’t have chakra. I also doubt that Luffy would have negative emotions against Naruto as well
I'm just happy the debate has finally ended/LUFFY STOMPS Current Naruto.
Sadly it won't because nArUtO cAn mAkE cOlOrFuLl rAsEnGaN
I wouldn't say stomp, this would be a great fight. I love Luffy way more than Naruto and I think Luffy wins, but be real and at least acknowledge Naruto's abilities. Btw, I hate the character Naruto very much. Privileged son of a bitch....👶
@@theloserkilljoy1025 luffy is not beating current naruto lols
@@firelight9115 Keep crying, it won't change the truth.
@@theloserkilljoy1025 this is why your parents disowned u
This is the best scaling ever done for Luffy vs Naruto
for me
baryon mode : has a limit
gear5 : limitless
Luffy vs Naruto , no way , Doffy or Katakuri vs Naruto will be fair one on one ,Bcoz Naruto is no match for Luffy (Wano) in terms of godly powers and techniques 🔥😎
And Naruto fans , there is no hate for Naruto rather i was also a great fan of Naruto before i started One Piece .So don't get offended.
I agree that current luffy beats Naruto, but doflamingo and katakuri can't make a fair battle with naruto, they're no match for him.
They're offended regardless. lol.
ahh yes says the guy with a luffy pfp
ofc
@@verge..576 Ahha says the guy who is actually narutard with no Naruto pfp ofc😂
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Don't try to mess with op fan😏
@@shaad2005 .....thats the worst comeback ever i dont even think it counts as one
do better luffytard
Amazing video, this is the best Luffy vs Naruto video I have seen but I would like for you Debunk few things like
1. Sasuke stating that he is stronger than Kaguya (I can't find the clip where he says it but I remember him saying something like this)
2. Haku being Light speed
3. "Luffy can't over power Naruto's Shadow clones because they have the same amount of will power as Naruto and they're not fodders so he won't be able to just overpower them easily with conquerers Haki alone"
4. Lastly I disagree with the fact that Naruto is low planetary,i think it makes sense for Kurama should be at least low planetary and Naruto should be at least Large Planetary because yes I agree that alot of the statements in the Data books are really hyperbolic but I don't think that Kurama being able to turn the world into ash is that hyperbolic since we have already seen Kaguya being able to destroy a star with her strongest attack Kurama should be at least low planetary. Anyways I would really like to hear your thoughts on these arguments (Also are you going to do more Naruto vs One piece videos, like can a Yonko Commander beat all the kages or can where does Law scale compare some of the characters in Naruto,can he beat Madara?)
I don’t think there’s much to debunk as far as Haku being lightspeed, but this arguably wouldn’t apply to part 1 kid Naruto’s scaling since Haku was indicated several times to not be fighting seriously at the time, that he was holding back consciously or otherwise due to not wanting to kill Naruto.
1) any character can claim they are stronger than any character
2) I can only respond to so much silliness.
3)there is no objective answer
4) you are free to think whatever you want to think. But it’s not actually rooted in any facts
@@Steinixos @Steinixos 1) I think there's a difference between a character just being overconfident and stating that they're stronger but there's also times times when it's a fact that the author is trying to state from a character,for example Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman and it's a fact
2) You didn't provide any argument, but the fact is it was stated that Haku could move at light speed using the Mirrors
3) That's true but it makes more sense, at least that's what I think
4) Well I have provided the arguments about why I think Naruto is planetary, because again I don't think that the Statement about Kurama turning the world into ash is hyperbolic and since Naruto is stronger than Kurama and was easily able to survive a moon lvl attack he should planetary to large Planetary, because by this logic whitebeard isn't planetary because we haven't seen him destroy a planet
@@blackcatpirates8134 Haku was definitely not light speed. Wtf. Where did you get this
A lot of that doesn't even need to be "debunked". It's either already baseless or self contradictory. lol.
Facts, great video bro
you also can add potential, naruto already past his prime, Luffy still have way to grow stronger (I belive he will surpast even Shanks in haki, and with his DF that is confirm limit by the user imagination.... luffy EOS is gonna be a Monster).
There's also the possibility that he might lose his fruits against BB
@@odeiomelao that won’t happen tbh
this is a stupid debate luffy is only continental can we stop with the overkill debates this is the definition of bias I should have known with your pfp and you videos based off one piece
This is how vsbattles should be, completely unbiased with backed up facts and scans
Lmfao this video is debunked
@@Medusafr by who?
Side tangent right off the bat, for a frame of reference a village in most places is classified by a populace of 500-2500 people. "Larger than a hamlet, but smaller than a town."
Been saying luffy beats naruto for the longest glad someone who can scale these things correctly came out and did this i do love naruto but luffy is not a good matchup for him tbh any planetary character without chakra would be able to hang with naruto or easily beat him
we didnt get to see bayron mode to its fullest extent because he could only do physical attacks due to issiki absorbing, he killed momoshiki with a normal giant rasengan which had to be sent to the upper atmosphere to not cause massive damage, we know he cauld have made this a rasenshuriken and even then the multiplier of bayron mode is like nuclear fusion, making hundreds of times stronger energy source, so this new planet level rasengan will wipe out luffy because it is not a blunt force attack and it has millions of chakra blades atomizing him, personally i think a normal rasenshuriken is enough but if you want to nuke the planet
@@lapisspiderman we didn’t see G5 to the fullest extent, and that’s cool we all got out opinions i don’t agree, but i agree to disagree
@@foolieedits223 u right we will just have to wait and see
Just so you know, I love luffy and think in some ways he is a better protagonist I just honestly don't belive he is stronger but I could be wrong
@@lapisspiderman yeah it’s just hard to tell for me i just don’t wanna be like oh naruto would stomp and later down the line luffy masters G5 and just Start turning any attack into rubber and getting hit with it and not taking damage at all. but even still i don’t see luffy dien before baryon mode run out, but if he did die, like he did in the manga he might can just restart his heat as many times as he wants we never know what oda got planned loll i can’t wait tho
UNDERATED VIDEO WTF 200VIEWS FOR THIS ZAMNNNN
Thanks man
Just watched the noodles scales critic video and have to say i almost got a hearth attack. I don´t know how you can miss every point in youre video and be so ignorant to proven and logical points. I don´t know why he has more subs than you. You are a very underrated channel. Keep up the good work
Literally this guy was being hypocritical and was ignoring multiple different statements of naruto characters being faster than light WAY before war arc.
@@KcMove2Smoove Luffy dodge 3 lasers one after the other in base form, Luffy is like 12x FTL without using his gears, but most Naruto fans don't like accepting that while they are willing to accept statements that could very well be hyperbole about Naruto.
@@imatiu You would have to prove their hyperbole. And how many times luffy is faster than light is irrelevant when naruto is infinite - inapplicable speed.
@@KcMove2Smoove issue lies in the fact that there is no way to prove that which doesn't rely on inferences or in taking statements that might be hyperbole as facts. The one feat we have on Naruto speed is him dodging a Lightspeed attack point blank, meanwhile Luffy dodged 3 lasers, which by definition are lightspeed, one after the other in base form. Mind you this is before 3 arcs full of Luffy steadily increasing his power.
Naruto doesn't have that many good feats, his best feats would be the moon cutting sword thing for resistance and the aforementioned dodge for speed. Meanwhile Luffy has some ridiculous feats on his side, like dodging lasers in base form, punching a building size dragon so hard it digs underground until it hits magma, resisting several blasts of energy capable of destroying a mountain, resisting temperature hot enough to melt stone in a few seconds and even toon force which has allowed him to bounce back one of said mountain destroying blasts.
All the examples of Luffy were things that happened on screen and that we can see evidently unlike Naruto where we need to search, research and even made up the context or the details of said feats.
@@imatiu Yea? So all that means is that you need to do your research properly.
You'd have to prove they are hyperboles, which you cannot unless they have direct contradictions.
All the feats you named for luffy were trash, at most Multi Continental whereas the moon cutting feat was calced to Moon+.
Lasers in fiction aren't always lightspeed. The only reason we know that madara's light fang is lightspeed is because of the databook, same with every other thing in naruto the databooks tell you how fast and strong certain abilities are as well as what they do.
Dodging 3 lasers from dozens of meters away isn't nearly as good as dodging one laser a meter away from your face.
Even for luffy, most of the stuff the databooks confirms it. Or the descriptions of the fruits, naruto just happens to describe the jutsu's in the databooks instead of the actual manga.
Love this vid. The comment section makes it more funnier lol
Luffy can literally turn anything to rubber now with his gear 5th
he can's he can only trun objects to rubber
@@klojhail9634 he turned lightning to rubber
Last I checked, lightning isn't an object
He was turning Kaido rubber.
@@michaeldorsey9231 He didn't trun Kaido into rubber, he was just inside Kaido's body.
@@kingb5792 He didn't trun lightning into rubber he just grab lightning
I can certainly see some Naruto scalers having contentions with not going with the higher scaling metas, but at least for now this seems like a pretty strong analysis.
If I were to cite any evidence for planetary Naruto not including the datebooks, Death Battle calculated the God Tree needed over 1 yottaton of tnt to grow its roots through the planet as fast as it did. Madara was able to absorb the stem with the chakra flower/fruit, so he should scale to that much power, and then he gets two amps from getting his second Rinnegan and the Rinnesharingan.
Death battle basically said: “a a tree grew this fast therefore he has planet level attack potency”… I’m not sure what serious person would take deathbattle’s madara vs aizen video seriously
And as I pointed out in the video: everyone will always flock to Their favorite pixel scaled calculation of whatever feat they want to try to scale naruto to whatever level they want. It’s unreasonable to expect that I’m gonna contend with every single silly thing out there. So I chose battle wiki, a site that is referenced by many people and whose calculations are up for everyone to see
If a person isn’t happy with that then that’s on them. But Expecting me to respond to every single nonsense calculation is just not rational
And again, having X total amount of chakra does NOT suddenly mean any of your attacks have X attack potency
I suppose that’s fair.
On another note, in your “how strong are One Piece characters video” you upscaled Luffy based on all the multipliers he scaled to, with your starting basis being Alabasta Luffy having town level AP.
Having gone back over the Skypia arc though, do you think that the same multipliers could be applied to Luffy’s Golden Rifle?
Do I think luffy’s golden rifle is town level? Is that what you’re asking?
At least from the calculations I’ve seen, even lowballing it Luffy would have city level striking power when he hit Enel with the gold ball, given the balls estimated mass and Luffy’s ability to punch with it at the speed of lightning.
At least now people cannot complain about "He has only watched one piece"
No,but they can complain he might have a bias because of his avatar.
@@George_Gogo01 Naruto punching a hole in a hollow moon is his best feat which is pretty impressive but still not even as impressive Luffy cracking dressrosa in half
@@themiddlechild8952 Not that it as anything to do with what i said,but the hole in the moon thing was not done by naruto doing any technique...if i remember right,nearly all of his chakra was extracted and used to punch trought the moon...with him being nearly point blank/right next to the explosion (and i think incouncious too?) so let that sink in.He had absolutely no way to defend himself from that explossion and yet.Not only that,but that wasnt even an offensive move done by him,so i dont think its complettly impossible he could win.His speed is probably nowhere as slow as they seem to imply in this video considering that in his most basic kurama form he outspeed a shinobi who you could argue is as lightspeed,i have hard time believing that 5-6 later,he wouldnt be much faster with thing like Baryon mode,which is league beyond even six path naruto in term of power and speed because of how differently it work with its chakra.Now,we have no idea how truly terrifying this form could be anyway since...well,he didnt use any jutsu in it as far as i know but so is there a lack of information of luffy 5th gears (so far).One funny thing that this video assume is that naruto clone wouldnt be able to tolerate coqueror haki because they seem to explode to the touch...but thats kinda untrue.Yes,his clone can quite weak...OR FUCKING BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE RAIKAGE!Its either due to the fact that naruto split his chakra way too much (by doing a thousand fucking clone) or simply because he dont care/use them as smoke screen.All is to say that if he want his clone to stay alive,he definitly could.Thats not even mentioning we have no idea to what degree the conqueror haki would affect naruto in the first place.Naruto also has a lot more range option than luffy,so he technicaly doesnt need to stay close to him,but its not impossible he may or may not get wreck if he got it by conqueror haki internal damage move depending how high is his regen and his pain tolerance (and considering that the guy who in base form doesnt even react from being impaled multiple time,am gonna assume its fairly high).Anyway,am not saying naruto wins,am
just saying its not an improbable scenario for both of them.
@@George_Gogo01 jeez