A long ago , the smash universe was at peace , but then the Diddy Kong army appear Hungrybox the master of Smash was gonna save us , but when we most need it ...
0:00 - 0:05 "Diddy Kong. Most see him as the best character in Smash 4, probably for more reasons than one." Those reasons are as follows: 1.) *HOO* 2.) *HAH*
Most of these honestly feel more like glitches that may get patched, rather than tricks. Especially the crawl, since it only works in one direction. Also does anyone actually play Diddy because they like him? Most I see seem to just play him cause they think he's top tier.
I personally mained him since brawl without knowing about how high he is on the tier list. I just liked how strong his bannana zoning and punish game was with 2 bannanas and his dash attack following up with a u tilt (his dash attack follow up is much more inconsistent in smash 4 and they nerfed bannanas). I think brawl diddy is equal with sm4sh diddy tho
That's the same with all top tier characters how many Diddy mains are there compared to a low tier character like Dr Mario people only see fighters as move sets more than characters and if all characters were random faceless people no one would care
I guess what I'm arguing, some examples: Some people are huge fans of Yoshi as a character prior to playing him in Smash. I'm that way with Samus, been that way since Melee. Same goes for Mario, Bowser, Peach, pretty much every character: they have a significant fanbase. However Diddy, as a character, has no where near the fanbase as any of the other characters. (And he can't get away with simply being an interesting concept like G&W or ROB.) I just feel like you're much less likely to find someone who first selected Diddy because they liked him outside of Smash, compared to the other fighters.
"I, Masahiro Sakurai, director of software development in Sora Ltd, awoke to find this befuddling and rousing spectacle in video form. TRULY have i been blind in leaving such glaring fault untended! I am well aware that this is a major cause of concern for people enjoying my latest creation Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U. And therefore there is only ONE course of action that needs to be taken to fix this: Nerf Greninja. Please enjoy the future patch 1.0.6 where the fix will be implemented!" -Masahiro Sakurai
Oh dear...alright, that's more to worry about when fighting Diddy... but really, seeing more Diddy's use these tricks in high level play will be really entertaining to watch!
Hey, you know how you where sliding backwards after diddy's side b? Bowser can do the same thing with his two custom side b's (dashing slash and dashing...something), but if you do it just right you can like, slide backwards almost the whole length of battlefield! I think the trick is once you land, crouch walk backwards and the INSTANT you see yourself moving backwards, release the control stick (tested this at like 1/4 speed to make sure). The quicker you release (once sliding backwards) the farther you go, to a point obviously.
instead of doing popgun reversal to zig zag in air ive been doing the banana peel reversals which can help more in certain situations, but this will be way more essential, sick vid dude!
Cool video! I hope you do more of these for the lesser used characters, or the ones with uncapped potential. The Wario video you made was a good example. Maybe do a tricks video for someone such as pac man, king dedede(Gordos have a lot of tricks to them), etc.
Whelp, there goes any fucking hope that I'll ever seriously play Sm4sm again. Just knowing that this shit exists bugs the fuck out of me. Fuck Diddy Kong and fuck competitive Smash. Thank you Project M!
You know when I hear people say M2K and Zero have such great Diddys I always feel like face-palming. I've seen and played against technical Diddys and that's not them. While they're very good players, their wins comes from abusing Diddy's exceptional, essentially nonpunishable aerials and grab combos. Yet that's the point. Guys like Zero have not pushed Diddy to his potential (and have no reason to) are dominating tournaments. Diddy truly is broken and while any number of idiots will argue otherwise, his frame data and his long list of options even unnecessary ones (command grab, third jump, banana, the tech shown above, etc) puts him far and away as the best character. I just don't understand Sakurai's decision here especially after he drastically nerfed Meta Knight, Olimar, Marth, Falco and saw to the removal of Snake (likely not his decision) and Ice Climbers; in other words he nerfed or removed all the Brawl top tiers except for Diddy? It doesn't make any sense.
Skeeter Mania Pikachu wasn't top tier in Brawl but if you nerf or remove 6/7 of Brawl's top tier and just tweak Pikachu it's not surprising he ends up top tier in this game. However I do not see Pikachu as top five in this game. I feel like a lot of Pikachu's success comes from the fact that very few people have experience against good Pikachu's; that generally quick attack isn't handled very well by most opponents. We'll see but top five for Pikachu is pushing it.
AstrayChronicle Also, on the subject of nerfs to top tiers getting nerfed, most of Melee's cast suffered a similar fate when transitioning to Brawl. Here are some examples: Luigi lost wavedashing CF and Ganon were drastically hurt by the loss of L-cancelling (Falcon lost many of the options Melee offered that Brawl didn't) Samus can't KO Peach (same as Samus though not as severe) Zelda, despite being buffed, is considered a worse character in Brawl due to the physics only accentuating her already severe character-built flaws. Jiggs was hurt by hitstun cancelling and a massive nerf to Rest Link lost his near lagless Nair and Up B semi spike (Recovery also went from among the most varied to among the least effective) Sheik lost much of her KO power similar to Peach and Samus (said to lie in the middle of the spectrum) Falco lost waveshining and several of his strong approaching and neutral game options from Melee (fast falling lasers). He also has a harder time killing. Fox suffered similar nerfs but was generally hit harder. Despite getting buffed, there were times when Ness was considered a slightly worse character than in Melee (where he was low/bottom tier). 10 extra frames to his grab release animation gave him terrible match-ups against Marth and DK. Yoshi lost DJC (though Peach and Ness also suffered, the latter a lot more so than the former) and a couple more issues killing. Mario lost KO power and a few units of reach. Marth lost his valuable movement options, and his range got nerfed. The only characters that were truly buffed in Brawl were G&W, Bowser, Kirby, DK, Ness (debatable), Ice Climbers, and Pikachu.
Skeeter Mania Marth, Ice Climbers, Falco remained top tier which is a lot better than what happened in Smash 4. Everyone lost wave L-canceling, wave dashing and cancels in general so whatever follow up tech is obviously gone as well. It's a game mechanic change and not a character nerf though it has the same effect. Marth was still a very good character so much so people didn't think it was a nerf as he was buffed in the right areas to compensate. Link got buffed. Better consist Zair, inclusion of a great DACUS, better jab cancel, etc. Falco gained the Gatling combo, chain grabs on most of the cast so he had ridiculous damage output. That's just from skimming through the characters you mentioned. See while nerfs happened it wasn't Smash 4 level of nerf that left only Diddy.
Because he is a good character. Diddy is seen as a very good character right now. Who's to say within the next couple of months shiek will be the best. Give the meta time to develop before assuming
Minisaga i dont think you fully understand what a metagame means. if you can tell that a character is good from day one it is because that character is good, on the other side you can tell that a character is bad from day one but when the metagame develops people find new ways to play and find ways that character can be good. diddy is a pretty fucking good character with a pretty fucking good moveset PLUS a cheap relatively easy to perform early kill move so obviously everybody that only cares about winning will use him. even if he was nerfed he would still be used in every tournament because he is a really good character.
How Is it cheap. I've faced many good diddy's and assumed "down throw and up air" combo does not hit if your opponent does not expect the di. Even so I don't consider him super strong and think shiek is the strongest character like the guy above us said. Diddy is just easy to pull combos off with but if u can counter that you should not have any problem at all :P
here are a few more tricks: the popgun reverse cancel works with the banana as well, & for customs J.C. glide toss banana into rocketbarrel attack is garenteed & the jump off of flying monkey flip can combo into d-air, up air, or rocketbarrel attack depending on %
***** After the patch you habe to hold your special attack button when cancelling the popgun. I tested it for 2 hours and to be consistent you have to hold the special attack button
What is that stage at 0.38? I don't recognise it. Well, I'm not playing online anymore if this is the crap noobs are going to be doing when I kick their ass. And don't say it's about getting good. There's no way heavy characters like Charizard and Bowser can deal with this, and then I have to switch to a character I don't like using that much to beat the person I'm against. How about some other trick videos? One with Villager? One with Dedede? One with Pacman? It'd be cool to see what you can do with other characters.
Ciarán Kelly They learnt his previous tricks. Plus, what's Bowser going to do against a fast attacking character like Diddy? I can't stand Zero Suit due to how she screws over heavy characters and now Diddy's turning into one of those too.
epiccarrot88 Up B out of shield is great for a suprise, but dont rely on it. Carlessness of a cocky dash attack can be heavily punished by Bowsers stellar punish game. Mainly based off reads, but Bowser has all the right tools.
I know nobody plays smash 4 anymore but I have a combo I'd like to share. If you catch your opponent with a nair at %s 0-10, you can follow it up with a bair if their going behind you. After which, you can immediately follow up with a fast fall up air and link another up air afterwards, sometimes 3 depending on weight class/fall speed etc. On heavys you can do nair bair nair bair fastfall up air into another up air. At 11-20% you can just follow nair up with 2 up airs
I would like to see a video on how to DI competitively OR against overpopular characters who have a high combo chain (like diddy and shiek). There are a lot of lessons on the offensive fundamentals, but I would like to see a more in-depth defensive fundamental, and I wouldn't want anyone else to explain it other than you.
I still don't think Diddy is good enough in this game to get anywhere. They need to buff his Uair, his mobility is trash, no mixups or combos, not enough autocanceling aerials, and to top it all off, he has no KO moves or kill confirms in the form of any item. So glad this video shed some light on such an unexplored character though.
Wii Fit Trainer needs a serious nerf. She has 5x the range of melee Marth, plenty of ko options and setups, amazing projectile game, godlike mobility, all of her aerials auto cancel. They should definitely nerf the range on her aerials and fsmash. She's going to destroy the meta game. She's just too good.
Mega Man is way too strong. He's faster than Sonic on the ground, his uppercut has capcom-esque hyper armor, he hits harder than Snake, his side smash can travel almost full-screen, and his up air is completely inescapable. Truly makes Ganondorf look innocent. #kappa
If you have to wait for the stun animation to end to act, then it's not a meteor, which would be immediately cancelable anytime with UpB and middair jumps. It is a spike. Doesn't sm4sh only have spikes, like in Smash 64?
I'd rather see weaker characters get buffs, for the sake of having more tricks to utilize. After all, why take away another kid's toys when you can get your own instead, right?
Yes that's some bs, everything you just said can be done in Brawl. The super crawl worked in Brawl, the Glide toss Banana up onstage then angle up B worked ans it was 42%. Lastly the Popgun worked in Brawl just to clarify once more. Nice try on trying to make Smash-4 more advanced than Brawl with lies.
***** I don't know what mod of Brawl you're playing...but super crawl, up-b combo, up-b under stages does NOT work in Brawl. Only glide tossing, and pop gun cancelling were carried over. And never once did I say I was trying to make Smash 4 more advanced than Brawl. The purpose of my videos is to teach. That is all.
I see, and no you can which is called a Crawl walk, Luigi has that btw. Oh and this isn't tech skill man, I'll never fathom why people think doing a simple monkey flip into analog stick back and sliding means it's a "technique" more like a trick hmm? Either-way, people that support Brawl are still alive and living. The fact that you actually respond is enough for me to admit I was wrong towards your perception of Brawl. Good luck finding something very useful and nothing Brawl based in the future of any sort. Thanks.
***** W T F bro he is teacching for advanced players if you scroll up we see Zero and y would you jouge him for using ssb4 insted off braw not like he's saying 'My smash corner guy(sorry dont know your name) :Well of course you cant do it in braw (makes rich peaple laugh) "drinks tea" hoho smash is so bad for not having this machanic"seeps tea" me now btw: of course not he's not acting like that and he's not hating aithere sorry for bad speling or if you got offended
I really hope diddy get the nerfs he deserves like patching the UpB momentum, increased DThrow Lag and UAir power nerf+ending lag. diddy is TOO good and we all can agree that he is pretty much Metaknight in brawl but much better. please nerf diddy to save Smash4
hermesleao I do battle against great diddy and I do great against them, even if they do HOO-HAH or any other tricks. but I really think diddy shouldn't be a Fast, Powerful and easy recovering (the UpB in the video) and basically is fast, powerful and easy recovering just like metaknight in brawl with easy comboing
I already knew all of this stuff back in January, other than the barrel boost. Now I can't be a unique Diddy anymore since everyone will start using this stuff.
Damascus Unverse learning how to turn his play style against him is a good way to nullify Diddy. As a diddy main myself, I know my own weaknesses and are well aware of what to be careful of. Recovering can be tricky for diddy mains, take advantage of it when you see fit, try to read how they recover and score yourself an easy gimp, don't shield so much against bananas, take advantage of when diddy has a banana in hand, he can't do much other than throw it or drop it, only shield when you know it's coming, other wise you might end up getting comboed pretty hard. Fighting diddy is all about reading his movements, since diddy is the most mobile character in the game it makes it very hard to react to what he does. One minute he'll monkey flip towards you, the next he'll monkey flip towards you and break your ankles by reversing the pop gun or banana, switching his momentum to the other direction. Regardless never try to punish a read monkey flip with a smash attack or any laggy attack, because if diddy decides to shift his momentum and you miss, it'll leave you open to a heavy punish. Try to turn his own banana against him sometimes, if you know he's gonna throw it, try to catch it and wait for an opening to get a nice punish in. Once you learn how to turn diddy's play style against him, you'll easily be able to take advantage of what he does.
FOR ANYONE HAVING TROUBLE WITH REVERSE B CANCEL WITH POPGUN, you have to input the side B, followed by shield input, followed by HOLDING reverse B and it will cancel itself.
Another character that can do that "super crawling" thing you explain first is Bowser with its custom side B. Also, he's able to do it just as long as Diddy can. I discovered this two days ago and this seems very very similar
To be honest, this is actually good to change the way people play Diddy. I rather play a Diddy Kong that has a more varied moveset than one that just spams the same ol' moves.
Is there any good tech to use with Ike? The only thing I can find is quickdraw above the ground and going directly into an attack. It was much better in Brawl than it is here. Any thoughts?
Hey man, do you know how to use Luigi's Down B to recover? Some people like Boss are really good at using his Down B to get extra hight off stage when recovering and it appears as if they do it without using a double jump. Me and my friend were trying really hard to get it last night and could never figure it out. Thanks!
I keep trying to do the jump while charging Up B but when I start the charge, my entire upwards momentum is halted. I've tried it with multiple button setups. What do?
Post-nerf Diddy player here, having some serious trouble with the popgun cancel after monkey flip. I can't seem to stop the popgun animation, even though I consistently manage to change direction. Seems useless unless I can cancel effectively, what might I be doing wrong? Thanks for all the tips!
MasterGreninja Don't worry. Just keep on playing and you'll get better. If you find yourself being too predictable, try to figure out ways to mix things up.
does the increased up-b momentum only work after a meteor a meteor spike or hit? or can i do it whenever i please without being hit first? cause i cant seem to get it
Cool!
My Smash Corner has killed us all!
Run while you can! Protect your mains!
Oh god why did the man lord king knight god ZeRo himself have to see this?
eh
NOOOOOOOOOOO HE FOUND IT!!!
Just give him anime he'll back off or RUUUUUUUUN BIIITCH RUUUUUUUUN...
Not the MK NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Diddy definitely needed this!
He always felt so underwhelming!
He needs a buff but this tech might get him out of the bottom of the tier!
Heh...
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***** zero must've made a lot of dummy accounts
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*Donkey Kong
You've doomed us all.
***** dang it zaid!
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A long ago , the smash universe was at peace , but then the Diddy Kong army appear
Hungrybox the master of Smash was gonna save us , but when we most need it ...
***** ...He became a night guard at a pizzeria that wishes to remain anonymous where he was attacked by...
***** Is this an "Avatar the Last Airbender" reference or am I seeing things? o.O
Because Diddy isn't good enough, right?
He's good, but he's not Captain Falcon Stylin' good. If you aren't stylin', you aren't winnin'.
Leon Magnus TRUE
Leon Magnus Hopefully MSC will make a video with some Falcon techs. So we can learn MOAR stylin' moves.
It's called a hussle, sweetie! x3
0:00 - 0:05 "Diddy Kong. Most see him as the best character in Smash 4, probably for more reasons than one."
Those reasons are as follows:
1.) *HOO*
2.) *HAH*
so, uh about that...
"It's not all just about down throw, up air."
LIE!
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Most of these honestly feel more like glitches that may get patched, rather than tricks. Especially the crawl, since it only works in one direction.
Also does anyone actually play Diddy because they like him? Most I see seem to just play him cause they think he's top tier.
Yeah I'm pretty sure these are all glitches too.
I personally mained him since brawl without knowing about how high he is on the tier list. I just liked how strong his bannana zoning and punish game was with 2 bannanas and his dash attack following up with a u tilt (his dash attack follow up is much more inconsistent in smash 4 and they nerfed bannanas). I think brawl diddy is equal with sm4sh diddy tho
That's the same with all top tier characters how many Diddy mains are there compared to a low tier character like Dr Mario people only see fighters as move sets more than characters and if all characters were random faceless people no one would care
I guess what I'm arguing, some examples:
Some people are huge fans of Yoshi as a character prior to playing him in Smash. I'm that way with Samus, been that way since Melee. Same goes for Mario, Bowser, Peach, pretty much every character: they have a significant fanbase.
However Diddy, as a character, has no where near the fanbase as any of the other characters. (And he can't get away with simply being an interesting concept like G&W or ROB.) I just feel like you're much less likely to find someone who first selected Diddy because they liked him outside of Smash, compared to the other fighters.
I used to play diddy, shiek and falcon, but my diddy is horrible and shiek feels sloppy so I'm ness/Luigi/falcon
The Donkey Kong series has always been under-represented in Smash.
Consider this vengeance.
"I, Masahiro Sakurai, director of software development in Sora Ltd, awoke to find this befuddling and rousing spectacle in video form. TRULY have i been blind in leaving such glaring fault untended! I am well aware that this is a major cause of concern for people enjoying my latest creation Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U. And therefore there is only ONE course of action that needs to be taken to fix this: Nerf Greninja.
Please enjoy the future patch 1.0.6 where the fix will be implemented!"
-Masahiro Sakurai
Diddy's officially the fastest, most fluid mix-upper in SSB4.
Oh dear...alright, that's more to worry about when fighting Diddy... but really, seeing more Diddy's use these tricks in high level play will be really entertaining to watch!
I'M SOOO GLAD I HAVE MORE NOICE DIDDY TECHS! And as a Bonus Yoshi has a small one as well.
God damn, we're all screwed. Our only hope now is Mewtwo.
And Slippy toad
***** Or melee fox
Or 64 Pikachu
Phijkchu Transkid
Or PM Mewtwo
or goku
Another quality video. Thank you MySmashCorner!
If only people used diddy
Stop...
Have you been following competitve smash? He's a very overused character
Must be a wifi warrior lol
Ikr
Alexander Biamou Have you been following sarcasm? It's a very overused type of comedy.
Thanks alot, man. This is just what Diddy mains need. More tricks.
Hey, you know how you where sliding backwards after diddy's side b? Bowser can do the same thing with his two custom side b's (dashing slash and dashing...something), but if you do it just right you can like, slide backwards almost the whole length of battlefield! I think the trick is once you land, crouch walk backwards and the INSTANT you see yourself moving backwards, release the control stick (tested this at like 1/4 speed to make sure). The quicker you release (once sliding backwards) the farther you go, to a point obviously.
instead of doing popgun reversal to zig zag in air ive been doing the banana peel reversals which can help more in certain situations, but this will be way more essential, sick vid dude!
Does the Up B Momentum shift after getting meteored still work in 1.1.6? or did they patch that up
DETHFIST does it work still?
idk
Holy cow, man! You put so much time and dedication into these videos! I absolutely love it. Thanks, you've more than earned a sub!
Thanks for the shoutout broski :)
Cool video! I hope you do more of these for the lesser used characters, or the ones with uncapped potential. The Wario video you made was a good example. Maybe do a tricks video for someone such as pac man, king dedede(Gordos have a lot of tricks to them), etc.
Whelp, there goes any fucking hope that I'll ever seriously play Sm4sm again. Just knowing that this shit exists bugs the fuck out of me. Fuck Diddy Kong and fuck competitive Smash. Thank you Project M!
Stop complaining and GIT GUD.
Sadly, Project M won't get as much coverage as it so rightfully deserves.
ripa9 So, you saw those people just yesterday?
ripa9 Not really. I don't see a need for a nerf. It's also quite easy to adapt to another person.
"Fuck competitive Smash."
Then you mention Project M immediately after.
So this is where My Smash Corner was, damn, took so long to find it again..
You know when I hear people say M2K and Zero have such great Diddys I always feel like face-palming. I've seen and played against technical Diddys and that's not them. While they're very good players, their wins comes from abusing Diddy's exceptional, essentially nonpunishable aerials and grab combos.
Yet that's the point. Guys like Zero have not pushed Diddy to his potential (and have no reason to) are dominating tournaments. Diddy truly is broken and while any number of idiots will argue otherwise, his frame data and his long list of options even unnecessary ones (command grab, third jump, banana, the tech shown above, etc) puts him far and away as the best character.
I just don't understand Sakurai's decision here especially after he drastically nerfed Meta Knight, Olimar, Marth, Falco and saw to the removal of Snake (likely not his decision) and Ice Climbers; in other words he nerfed or removed all the Brawl top tiers except for Diddy? It doesn't make any sense.
Pikachu is considered Top 5 in this game even though he wasn't quite in Brawl's top tier.
Skeeter Mania Pikachu wasn't top tier in Brawl but if you nerf or remove 6/7 of Brawl's top tier and just tweak Pikachu it's not surprising he ends up top tier in this game.
However I do not see Pikachu as top five in this game. I feel like a lot of Pikachu's success comes from the fact that very few people have experience against good Pikachu's; that generally quick attack isn't handled very well by most opponents. We'll see but top five for Pikachu is pushing it.
AstrayChronicle Dabuz (and even M2K and Zero) believe that Pikachu is Top5 (maybe even Top 3)
AstrayChronicle Also, on the subject of nerfs to top tiers getting nerfed, most of Melee's cast suffered a similar fate when transitioning to Brawl. Here are some examples:
Luigi lost wavedashing
CF and Ganon were drastically hurt by the loss of L-cancelling (Falcon lost many of the options Melee offered that Brawl didn't)
Samus can't KO
Peach (same as Samus though not as severe)
Zelda, despite being buffed, is considered a worse character in Brawl due to the physics only accentuating her already severe character-built flaws.
Jiggs was hurt by hitstun cancelling and a massive nerf to Rest
Link lost his near lagless Nair and Up B semi spike (Recovery also went from among the most varied to among the least effective)
Sheik lost much of her KO power similar to Peach and Samus (said to lie in the middle of the spectrum)
Falco lost waveshining and several of his strong approaching and neutral game options from Melee (fast falling lasers). He also has a harder time killing.
Fox suffered similar nerfs but was generally hit harder.
Despite getting buffed, there were times when Ness was considered a slightly worse character than in Melee (where he was low/bottom tier). 10 extra frames to his grab release animation gave him terrible match-ups against Marth and DK.
Yoshi lost DJC (though Peach and Ness also suffered, the latter a lot more so than the former) and a couple more issues killing.
Mario lost KO power and a few units of reach.
Marth lost his valuable movement options, and his range got nerfed.
The only characters that were truly buffed in Brawl were G&W, Bowser, Kirby, DK, Ness (debatable), Ice Climbers, and Pikachu.
Skeeter Mania Marth, Ice Climbers, Falco remained top tier which is a lot better than what happened in Smash 4.
Everyone lost wave L-canceling, wave dashing and cancels in general so whatever follow up tech is obviously gone as well. It's a game mechanic change and not a character nerf though it has the same effect.
Marth was still a very good character so much so people didn't think it was a nerf as he was buffed in the right areas to compensate.
Link got buffed. Better consist Zair, inclusion of a great DACUS, better jab cancel, etc.
Falco gained the Gatling combo, chain grabs on most of the cast so he had ridiculous damage output.
That's just from skimming through the characters you mentioned. See while nerfs happened it wasn't Smash 4 level of nerf that left only Diddy.
What in the world!? Diddy's way too good! None of the other character have techniques as advanced as these.
Not to hate, but give some lesser used characters some tips. I don't want to see smash tourneys field with diddy kongs, and this is not helping.
The game came out less than 5 months ago thus the meta is still developing. Diddy isn't going to be at every tournament :P
Minisaga pffffff yeah right. hes been at every tournament so far.
Because he is a good character. Diddy is seen as a very good character right now. Who's to say within the next couple of months shiek will be the best. Give the meta time to develop before assuming
Minisaga
i dont think you fully understand what a metagame means.
if you can tell that a character is good from day one it is because that character is good, on the other side you can tell that a character is bad from day one but when the metagame develops people find new ways to play and find ways that character can be good.
diddy is a pretty fucking good character with a pretty fucking good moveset PLUS a cheap relatively easy to perform early kill move so obviously everybody that only cares about winning will use him. even if he was nerfed he would still be used in every tournament because he is a really good character.
How Is it cheap. I've faced many good diddy's and assumed "down throw and up air" combo does not hit if your opponent does not expect the di. Even so I don't consider him super strong and think shiek is the strongest character like the guy above us said. Diddy is just easy to pull combos off with but if u can counter that you should not have any problem at all :P
Thanks for the upload. Very informative about Diddy Kong mains. I'll be sure to remember his techs and tricks and try to react accordingly.
can you do one on wii fit trainer? he is my main, but i can find any good combos with him :/ please and thanks ^_^
*he*
wii fit trainer has both male and female skins, its just female by default. They likely use a male skin
here are a few more tricks: the popgun reverse cancel works with the banana as well, & for customs J.C. glide toss banana into rocketbarrel attack is garenteed & the jump off of flying monkey flip can combo into d-air, up air, or rocketbarrel attack depending on %
Was the pop-gun cancel patched?
***** Nope.
My Smash Corner What could I be doing wrong? I can't seem to pull it off.
It's very hard to tell you when I can't see how you're doing it. Try in slow speeds in training mode.
My Smash Corner Ok, thanks.
***** After the patch you habe to hold your special attack button when cancelling the popgun. I tested it for 2 hours and to be consistent you have to hold the special attack button
I don't think Diddy of all characters needed a video like this...
Hey MSC which of these tricks were patched
Basically all of them. I don’t know why I’m responding.
@@ballba11ball lmao
Man even though he didn’t mention Dthrow up air/ Uthrow up air. Removing that hurt my soul.
@@ballba11ball I miss the hoo hah and the memes that came with it
OjeiNoWay I miss the Crowds Chanting HOO HAA everytime the diddy got the combo. It was kinda broken tho but still sad.
Damn, this man is a Sm4sh wizard.
What is that stage at 0.38? I don't recognise it.
Well, I'm not playing online anymore if this is the crap noobs are going to be doing when I kick their ass. And don't say it's about getting good. There's no way heavy characters like Charizard and Bowser can deal with this, and then I have to switch to a character I don't like using that much to beat the person I'm against.
How about some other trick videos? One with Villager? One with Dedede? One with Pacman? It'd be cool to see what you can do with other characters.
I doubt noobs would put in the effort. Besides, bowser is pretty good.
Ciarán Kelly They learnt his previous tricks.
Plus, what's Bowser going to do against a fast attacking character like Diddy? I can't stand Zero Suit due to how she screws over heavy characters and now Diddy's turning into one of those too.
Thats a custom final destination stage :)
epiccarrot88
If the "noobs" really learned his previous tricks... are they really still noobs?
epiccarrot88 Up B out of shield is great for a suprise, but dont rely on it. Carlessness of a cocky dash attack can be heavily punished by Bowsers stellar punish game. Mainly based off reads, but Bowser has all the right tools.
I know nobody plays smash 4 anymore but I have a combo I'd like to share.
If you catch your opponent with a nair at %s 0-10, you can follow it up with a bair if their going behind you. After which, you can immediately follow up with a fast fall up air and link another up air afterwards, sometimes 3 depending on weight class/fall speed etc.
On heavys you can do nair bair nair bair fastfall up air into another up air.
At 11-20% you can just follow nair up with 2 up airs
You just killed Smash 4 competively, after this I won't be watching Smash 4 at EVO, enjoy your HOO HAA.
Anyone who can effectively use this probably already knows about it.
I can't tell if your serious
Oh wait, just found out he's a documentary kid
lol k
why would you watch a party game at evo anyway
Oh look! a new Meteor Cancel tech for Diddy Kong! Just what we needed!
0:03 R.I.P
I wanna see someone who really understands Diddy like Zero put these tricks to work.
Might just be me, but he sounds a lot like Trump from Hearthstone
I would like to see a video on how to DI competitively OR against overpopular characters who have a high combo chain (like diddy and shiek). There are a lot of lessons on the offensive fundamentals, but I would like to see a more in-depth defensive fundamental, and I wouldn't want anyone else to explain it other than you.
Fuck Diddy Kong lol
Great tips tho
HOLY SHIT DAT'S SKUXXED ONE
for the pop gun cancel, when you use the pop gun (pressing B) hold the joy stick in the direction AS WELL as the B button.
I still don't think Diddy is good enough in this game to get anywhere. They need to buff his Uair, his mobility is trash, no mixups or combos, not enough autocanceling aerials, and to top it all off, he has no KO moves or kill confirms in the form of any item. So glad this video shed some light on such an unexplored character though.
Wii Fit Trainer needs a serious nerf. She has 5x the range of melee Marth, plenty of ko options and setups, amazing projectile game, godlike mobility, all of her aerials auto cancel. They should definitely nerf the range on her aerials and fsmash. She's going to destroy the meta game. She's just too good.
Mega Man is way too strong. He's faster than Sonic on the ground, his uppercut has capcom-esque hyper armor, he hits harder than Snake, his side smash can travel almost full-screen, and his up air is completely inescapable. Truly makes Ganondorf look innocent.
#kappa
There is no reason to use Mario; Dr. Mario is a straight upgrade. He's the only character that has a wave dash and he also Has a great FAir spike.
If you have to wait for the stun animation to end to act, then it's not a meteor, which would be immediately cancelable anytime with UpB and middair jumps. It is a spike.
Doesn't sm4sh only have spikes, like in Smash 64?
This video is now obsolete, lol.
Gabe Scharf None of these tricks got patched.
My Smash Corner can u do some sonic techs?
My Smash Corner Yeah, but diddy's knockback on some moves got nerfed, so about half of these won't be much use
true
Tim Fisher But none of these tricks have to do with Diddy's knock back nerfs, they're all movement tricks.
It's becoming Smash Bros Diddy because you let this holy information accesable to everyone.
DO NOT SEND THIS TO JTAILS, ZERO AND M2K ALREADY KNOW. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT SEND THIS TO JTAILS OR ANY OTHER DIDDY MAIN
You say this as if it's not ever going to happen lol.
Why not Jtails he was an original diddy main
You know, by shouting in all caps, you're only going to attract attention. I'd shut my trap if I were off.
You should've specified ZeRo too, because he already found it.
FragTurtleBomb he's proven himself as a good diddy main
I'll be honest, I started tearing up when he announced the meteor recovery.
Am I the only one who wants to see a Diddy nerf?
What the smash community needs is less people like you saying "oh same combo setup plz nerf him .
Sorry if I made you mad dude. :(
No need to apologize I'm just sad that people are shitting on diddy Kong just because of a combo
You won't get to see it. They said they're done patching.
I'd rather see weaker characters get buffs, for the sake of having more tricks to utilize.
After all, why take away another kid's toys when you can get your own instead, right?
Also, does the Momentum-Double Jump thing ONLY work when Diddy's previously been hit?
I cannot for the life of me get the timing down.
I think it was patched in 1.1.6. Everything else here works though.
*HOOOOO HAAAA*
Black Umbreon has been nerfed harder than Chrom F*cked Lucina
Haha all this tech for Diddy. Lookin' like the Fox of Sm4sh.
pls nerf greninja
I love your channel for this very reason, finding out ATs for Smash 4!
Yes that's some bs, everything you just said can be done in Brawl. The super crawl worked in Brawl, the Glide toss Banana up onstage then angle up B worked ans it was 42%. Lastly the Popgun worked in Brawl just to clarify once more. Nice try on trying to make Smash-4 more advanced than Brawl with lies.
Liked and disliked. (can't do both at the same time.)
***** I don't know what mod of Brawl you're playing...but super crawl, up-b combo, up-b under stages does NOT work in Brawl. Only glide tossing, and pop gun cancelling were carried over. And never once did I say I was trying to make Smash 4 more advanced than Brawl. The purpose of my videos is to teach. That is all.
I see, and no you can which is called a Crawl walk, Luigi has that btw. Oh and this isn't tech skill man, I'll never fathom why people think doing a simple monkey flip into analog stick back and sliding means it's a "technique" more like a trick hmm? Either-way, people that support Brawl are still alive and living. The fact that you actually respond is enough for me to admit I was wrong towards your perception of Brawl. Good luck finding something very useful and nothing Brawl based in the future of any sort. Thanks.
***** W T F bro he is teacching for advanced players if you scroll up we see Zero and y would you jouge him for using ssb4 insted off braw not like he's saying
'My smash corner guy(sorry dont know your name) :Well of course you cant do it in braw (makes rich peaple laugh) "drinks tea" hoho smash is so bad for not having this machanic"seeps tea"
me now btw: of course not he's not acting like that and he's not hating aithere
sorry for bad speling or if you got offended
who??
Great informative video! (This makes Diddy Kong even more OP now.) Could you maybe discuss about Directional Influence (DI) in the next video?
I really hope diddy get the nerfs he deserves like patching the UpB momentum, increased DThrow Lag and UAir power nerf+ending lag. diddy is TOO good and we all can agree that he is pretty much Metaknight in brawl but much better.
please nerf diddy to save Smash4
Diddy is nowhere near Meta Knight level.
Why don't you try learning how to beat Diddy instead of bitching and whining, saying that he should be nerfed?
hermesleao I haven't faced that many good Diddys, so what I'm saying could come off as biased.
Skeeter Mania ...I was talking to pikamaxi. =P
hermesleao I do battle against great diddy and I do great against them, even if they do HOO-HAH or any other tricks. but I really think diddy shouldn't be a Fast, Powerful and easy recovering (the UpB in the video) and basically is fast, powerful and easy recovering just like metaknight in brawl with easy comboing
Oh, yeah!
How about we make him even more stronger?!
That up b to the other side of the ledge is such a funny troll move
You are the greatest source of information for sm4sh I want to thank you! Keep up the good work!
The speeding up his crawl should be able to lead into a reverse up smash!
Great video, as always. Keep up the great work!
Awesome vid! I want to start getting good with the little kong. Thanks!
I already knew all of this stuff back in January, other than the barrel boost. Now I can't be a unique Diddy anymore since everyone will start using this stuff.
If you can't beat Diddy: GET BETTER
No matter how good you get, diddy players have to work a lot less for a win.
But how do you get better then diddy?
Damascus Unverse learning how to turn his play style against him is a good way to nullify Diddy. As a diddy main myself, I know my own weaknesses and are well aware of what to be careful of. Recovering can be tricky for diddy mains, take advantage of it when you see fit, try to read how they recover and score yourself an easy gimp, don't shield so much against bananas, take advantage of when diddy has a banana in hand, he can't do much other than throw it or drop it, only shield when you know it's coming, other wise you might end up getting comboed pretty hard. Fighting diddy is all about reading his movements, since diddy is the most mobile character in the game it makes it very hard to react to what he does. One minute he'll monkey flip towards you, the next he'll monkey flip towards you and break your ankles by reversing the pop gun or banana, switching his momentum to the other direction. Regardless never try to punish a read monkey flip with a smash attack or any laggy attack, because if diddy decides to shift his momentum and you miss, it'll leave you open to a heavy punish. Try to turn his own banana against him sometimes, if you know he's gonna throw it, try to catch it and wait for an opening to get a nice punish in. Once you learn how to turn diddy's play style against him, you'll easily be able to take advantage of what he does.
FOR ANYONE HAVING TROUBLE WITH REVERSE B CANCEL WITH POPGUN, you have to input the side B, followed by shield input, followed by HOLDING reverse B and it will cancel itself.
U sir are a badass vuy who gives out good hints until the updates come in
I haven't seen it mentioned so I will just say that the popgun momentum shift can also be used by Rob and his gyro. Same buttons too.
Just gonna share my findings here: You can reflect Villagers bowling ball even if it's not falling of the edge and you can absorb ZSS down smash
Another character that can do that "super crawling" thing you explain first is Bowser with its custom side B. Also, he's able to do it just as long as Diddy can. I discovered this two days ago and this seems very very similar
To be honest, this is actually good to change the way people play Diddy. I rather play a Diddy Kong that has a more varied moveset than one that just spams the same ol' moves.
Is there any good tech to use with Ike? The only thing I can find is quickdraw above the ground and going directly into an attack. It was much better in Brawl than it is here. Any thoughts?
Did the up b tech where you get launched straight up in the air get patched?
PooplePie ROTMG no
Hey man, do you know how to use Luigi's Down B to recover? Some people like Boss are really good at using his Down B to get extra hight off stage when recovering and it appears as if they do it without using a double jump. Me and my friend were trying really hard to get it last night and could never figure it out. Thanks!
Just as Diddy Mains can watch this video and get better, so can you watch this video and know what to look out for
I knew about the jump-to-crawl-backward thing. I use it as Bowser, Sheik, and ZSS for spacing
Wow, a genuinely informative video, thank you.
Oddly enough I am having a lot of trouble executing the jump then up-b. Is it a hard thing to pull off? Or can it only be done after a spike/hitstun?
So is there any tournament-relevant difference between the two versions (apart from the gamecube controller being compatible with the Wii U version)?
Your work is amazing. Keep it up.
these videos are very theraputic
Can you do a new combo video for Diddy Kong? This was pre-patch diddy.
You should do a video about the Smooth Lander bagde and it's potential, especially in Heavy gravity.
I keep trying to do the jump while charging Up B but when I start the charge, my entire upwards momentum is halted. I've tried it with multiple button setups.
What do?
So for the pop gun cancel, do you have to press b first and then push the stick to the left to switch momentum or do you press them at the same time?
I think it's patched
Yazan A no its not, first B than to the other side
Oh no...
Diddy is even MORE powerful
YOU FOOL, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
Diddy has always been my counter and now I'm scared even more.
Is the supercrawling left/right limitation also present for other characters like it is for Diddy?
Guys, the stage Rosalina and Diddy were on was a custom flat stage he made.
Post-nerf Diddy player here, having some serious trouble with the popgun cancel after monkey flip. I can't seem to stop the popgun animation, even though I consistently manage to change direction. Seems useless unless I can cancel effectively, what might I be doing wrong? Thanks for all the tips!
I just can't manage to get the jump to up b setup working, regardless of how quickly I press the buttons. Was it patched?
like we need more option for diddy. But its good informative vid. I was wondering is there any Lucario tech other than reversal neutral B?
When b-reversing Diddy's side b, the pop gun animation doesn't cancel despite me holding down shield. Way to fix this?
Great, more tricks for an already OP character.
What was the music on the background, and I would rank Diddy number 2 next to Sheik because his recovery is hard to master (at least for me)
I'm a noob I have trouble fighting Diddy :( I guess I knew that from the beginning
MasterGreninja Don't worry. Just keep on playing and you'll get better. If you find yourself being too predictable, try to figure out ways to mix things up.
Jason R Thanks I try my best with my mains but a really good player always gets me but i'm sure that someday I'll be better
Hey MSC, would you happen to know why my cancel always shoots out a peanut and stops all reverse momentum?
does the increased up-b momentum only work after a meteor a meteor spike or hit? or can i do it whenever i please without being hit first? cause i cant seem to get it
Please help me. I cant do the perfect pivoting.
Say me if the gamecube controller helps
Because im using the Wii remote and nunchuk
Thanks
I can't either. I have a wiimote for a controller