Which Member of Genesis Had The Best Solo Career???

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  • @herrdwabash
    @herrdwabash 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I saw Steve Hackett about 2 years ago in Indiana. He was doing the entire Genesis 'Seconds Out" live album. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen. It was a combination of his excellent guitar work and musicians that absolutely relish in the style of early Genesis. That's why he has such a dedicated following among the prog community. It was perfection.

  • @keithf1652
    @keithf1652 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In terms of happily remaining in the Genesis prog pigeonhole, by a complete mile, Steve Hackett. I love the proggy, eclectic nature of his solo albums. His guitar virtuosity remains totally undiminished. Of all the former Genesis members - with his live versions of Genesis classics - who better to carry the torch for all the truly great classic Genesis output from 1971-1976, than Steve Hackett.

    • @coltonbeatty6117
      @coltonbeatty6117 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hackett's playing is mostly tone. Not much there.

  • @SDSsongs
    @SDSsongs 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Collins for success, Gabriel for quality, Hackett for volume. The rest are at a lower level unworthy of comparison.

    • @mikearchibald744
      @mikearchibald744 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ant Phillips is pretty close on volume.

    • @coltonbeatty6117
      @coltonbeatty6117 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Haha. Hackett's volume means nothing to me

  • @hogweed1975
    @hogweed1975 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    John Mayhew was in Steamhammer before Genesis. After, he indeed moved to Australia and worked as a carpenter (he was already a carpenter during his Genesis stint), but in the beginning of this century he returned to England, where he did do some drumming in the pub circruit and visited a couple of Genesis conventions. The band got a hold of him during the release series of the box sets, to pay him a share in royalties he was still due and that the band had kept "in storage" for him. And then he suddenly died in 2009.

    • @mikearchibald744
      @mikearchibald744 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Coincidence...I wonder. Just kidding, not like they kept him from collecting his money.

  • @TonVenhuizen
    @TonVenhuizen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You already said it, Phil most successful, Peter the most artistic, Steve very prolific and playing most progressive style. I do like Anthony but I also don't know his work well (need to do this). I play guitar myself and maybe therefor I'm more attracted to Steve's than to Tony's solo work, but Tony has done some good stuff as well. Also he collaborated shortly with Nik Kershaw. Finally there's also Ray who has a nice solo career too. Live he profits from playing Genesis work (and well, although Hackett does a super job here too), but he has some very nice solo albums too. Great vid!

  • @miguelgomes7536
    @miguelgomes7536 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For me its peter Gabriel,but i do love hacketts work and legacy. He still does it
    I love Genesis 69-76

  • @herrdwabash
    @herrdwabash 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You should definitely check out Anthony Phillips's "Seventh Heaven" album from 2012. It is very similar to Tony Banks's orchestral albums, but there is also a lot of guitar on the album as well. The whole album is absolutely beautiful.

  • @clivesilver463
    @clivesilver463 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Gabriel and Hackett, Collins probably made the most but so does McDonald's.

  • @harrynewiss4630
    @harrynewiss4630 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Peter
    He mixed creativity with success the best. Artistically only, Steve.

  • @MarkCMG
    @MarkCMG 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the video! Some great details in here!

  • @jeffreysoble5369
    @jeffreysoble5369 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is this a serious question?
    I love Peter Gabriel. He’s 1 of the greatest showmen ever and I prefer his solo music by far over Phil’s. But Phil is 1 of only 3 people in the history of music who have sold over 100 million albums as a member of a band and over 100 million albums as a solo artist. His gated drum tone defined an entire decade of music. How could you possibly say it’s anyone but Phil?

  • @e.nowbodhi144
    @e.nowbodhi144 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Phil: most profitable
    Peter: most aesthetically world changing
    Steve: most prolific
    Ant: most on own terms, least compromise

    • @jacquesfinster5034
      @jacquesfinster5034 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Peter have 8 carree's,, festival producer, your record label, uour multimedia company, humanitarian, yout studio and much more.

  • @bluntlaser
    @bluntlaser 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gabriel obviously. Well its an easy decision for me!

  • @Wayner71
    @Wayner71 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yes, Anthony Phillips has had an interesting and noteworthy career. I think that Peter Gabriel has had the most resilient career. Not only musically, but as a human rights and peace activist. Phil Collins is the most famous but his career encompassed more mainstream elements. Mike Rutherford chose an AOR path and was quite successful in that scene. Tony Banks could have had a more successful solo career but his personality is not really attuned to the self promotion necessary to achieve it. Steve Hackett has had a low key yet successful career as a torch carrier for progressive rock era Genesis.

  • @bonecanoe86
    @bonecanoe86 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey, at least your Leafs were in the playoffs, my Flyers didn't even make it lol.
    If I ever made my own music channel one of my first videos would be "What went wrong with Tony Banks' Solo Career", I have a lot of thoughts about it. The main thing I found is this: Tony is a composer, not a songwriter, and without Phil and Mike's ability to write hooks he just can't land a solid pop song.
    For that matter Steve isn't much of a songwriter either, but he nails vibe, atmosphere, and guitar antics, plus his relentless touring has given him a loyal following. Phil, Peter, and Mike all have that spark that lets them write hooks, and of course Phil does it better than any of them. (And one of the best of his generation, pop songwriter-wise)
    My favorite albums (or time periods) for each:
    A Geese and the Ghost by Anthony Phillips
    A Curious Feeling by Tony Banks (The one album where he nails the vibe. Also the Fugitive has its charm)
    The whole "Middle period" of Peter Gabriel, which is III, Security, and So, with Security being the pinnacle.
    Smallcreep's Day by Mike (Acting Very Strange is so-bad-it's-good in a very self-aware way)
    Spectral Mornings and Defector by Steve Hackett (Vibes are on point for both)
    Any of Phil's first 3 solo albums depending on my mood. (Face Value is underrated. No Jacket is a pop triumph)

    • @mikearchibald744
      @mikearchibald744 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would add 'commercial' to that. A 'song' is not a commercial enterprise, its like a painting. A 'commercial' song is what needs the hook, the lyrics, the vocals, the engineering, the marketing team, and some luck.
      A few examples: Pink floyd manager Andrew King : "we learned enough to afford to get Arnold Layne into the top twenty, but we couldn't afford more"
      Bohemian rhapsody and queen became a hit because a DJ played it over and over again an entire weekend.
      Ditto Tubular Bells. Styx "Lady" became a hit when a dj played it every night at eight 'until it becomes a hit".
      Watch documentaries of the music industry, that scene in WKRP where a dj is paid in coke to play an album over and over isn't fantasy.
      Corporations largely dictated 'the soundtracks to our lives'.
      A quick example, Tony Banks "Call it Love". Done at the beginnng of the video age, you have Tony really really really not wanting to be in a video, really really really not wanting to travel or promote his tunes. And its a catchy song, but wait, a white guy doing a love song in reggae? Then with TWO chord changes that completely changes the sound of the song. No WAY that is going to get radio play, despite not being that long.
      The 'hook' is part of most pop songs, although most songs have some kind of chorus, different in folk music. But it takes all those ingredients, and of course keep in mind I think Mike and his mechanics only really had two songs that were hits in the charts. And of course the eighties were all about the love ballads.

  • @AndersStenback-gf2kd
    @AndersStenback-gf2kd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ant Philips was an original member and the actual band leader, setting the tone of the band and the unique twelve string style and wrote some of the foundational songs before he quit. So, he was on the first two albums.

  • @rockingbirdey
    @rockingbirdey 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd say Peter overall for both artistic and commercial appeal. I do really enjoy Phil's first three albums and he has good songs after. Hackett has a really interesting catalogue that stays true to spirit of classic Genesis. I really like Smallcreep's Day from Mike. Tony Banks, I've only listened to his first album but it's pretty good from what I remember.

  • @ouime60
    @ouime60 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Clearly Steve Hackett had the most distinguished career - he’s the only one to have worked with @ElisabethFraser after she left Cocteau Twins 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @TheCurseofStCustards
    @TheCurseofStCustards 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Note that Chris Stewart is also an author and has written a number of well-received books about his experiences in Spain.

  • @SoundlabStudios63
    @SoundlabStudios63 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's Phil and you can't tell me otherwise

  • @JohnMacRae23
    @JohnMacRae23 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They all had great solo careers, including Ant Phillips. There aren't really any winner's or losers here. Phil outweighs commercially but Peter had the most influential and ground breaking, and not just musically.

  • @jjackson4754
    @jjackson4754 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hackett - the most prolific and progressive. Gabriel: the most artistic. Collins: the most successful. Rutherford: solo albums are less known but Mike and Mechanics was quite popular. Tony Banks: the least successful.

  • @fmellish71
    @fmellish71 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Peter. Melt, Security and So...bout all you need to state the case. And that would be leaving out the Passion soundtrack, so there ya go

    • @mikearchibald744
      @mikearchibald744 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree except didn't like So. That seemed more a sellout than Genesis. Security to So seems like a whole different person. Not that I hold it against him, people have to make a living and its certainly a great 'pop' album. The Passion soundtrack is out of this world. So its like So was a break from that.

  • @seekyou
    @seekyou 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Money wise: Collins / Overalll best for quality, live, songs, ideas: Gabriel

  • @sebastienbournier
    @sebastienbournier 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi! I strongly advice Ant’s Private Parts and Pieces VIII: New England. It’s a proper album (not like the others PPnP) and my favourite from him!

  • @danaaronmusic
    @danaaronmusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. I paused it to order a Banks classical album. Thanks for the tip.
    I have to give the nod to Peter Gabriel. He did the impossible: put out a great album in 1986!

    • @bonecanoe86
      @bonecanoe86 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha, many of my favorite albums came out in 1986.

    • @danaaronmusic
      @danaaronmusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bonecanoe86 Let me guess--you were born in the seventies?

  • @juliemusique-tn4dp
    @juliemusique-tn4dp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    gabriel a world apart

  • @paulayers1111
    @paulayers1111 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The ones I enjoy the MOST are hands down: Anthony Phillips (so much variety) and Peter Gabriel. My least favorite is Rutherford

  • @heytallman
    @heytallman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mike Rutherford wins because he has aged the best. He still looks close to how he did in the 80's
    Peter Gabriel comes in second due to making the ending song to WALL-E, the best thing any Disney related entity has put out in the last 25 years

    • @janvrolijk9126
      @janvrolijk9126 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What about Tarzan and Brother Bear?

    • @heytallman
      @heytallman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @janvrolijk9126 Tarzan is an idiot who doesn't know what a robot is, WALL-E could beat him up in a fight what's he gonna do about it
      Never seen brother bear but bears are cool I guess

  • @djacobmadrigal
    @djacobmadrigal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    From a mainstream pop view, hands down Collins; from a view of who has the best voice it would be Gabriel; up to a point Gabriel has the best lyrics too but then he gets way too commercial. My favorite is Hackett.

  • @alexnejako777
    @alexnejako777 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tie between phil and peter. Mike and the Mechanics have some great songs. everyone peaked in the 80s with Peter's 1992 album being very awesome

  • @reginod2249
    @reginod2249 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Least to best:
    (Ray Wilson doesn't count, sorry.)
    (Daryl Stuermer's albums are worth looking into. Should he count?)
    6. Collins (By far the worst. Ugh.)
    5. Rutherford (Including the M&M. Pretty good overall.)
    4. Gabriel (Always nice, seldom earth-shattering. i/o is one of his best IMO.)
    3. Hackett (Great and consistent artist, but he's never outdone his first few albums.)
    2. Banks (Surprise! Fantastic composer. His supposed "pop" albums are quite often better than advertised.)
    1. Phillips (Fantastic, uncompromising, very prolific.)

  • @juliemusique-tn4dp
    @juliemusique-tn4dp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    collins and hackett and phillips but best hackett

  • @Z-eb
    @Z-eb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Smallcreeper`s Day !? Ray Wilson ???!!

  • @danielduesentriebjunior
    @danielduesentriebjunior 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Financially but also musically way above the rest was Phil Collins.

  • @therealtwiggyleaf
    @therealtwiggyleaf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video. Very cool. You used the word "notoriety" alot, and I think you meant to use something like "recognition" instead. But all in all, I liked your video and assessment. 😎😎

  • @bobsbigboy_
    @bobsbigboy_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    steve hackett, obviously. Phil was the most succesful but... the quality...

    • @coltonbeatty6117
      @coltonbeatty6117 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The quality of Steve's output is pretty low

  • @sluggo3slug
    @sluggo3slug 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Phil Collins, obviously

  • @mikereiss4216
    @mikereiss4216 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Steve Hackett. Everyone else sold out. Ok, maybe not Ant. Lol.

    • @opinion3742
      @opinion3742 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who sold out and why do you believe that?

    • @coltonbeatty6117
      @coltonbeatty6117 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What are Cured and Highly Strung, if not wannabe sellout albums? Lol. What's more is that his run of albums in recent years is nothing but attempts to milk the niche market of 'prog' fans today.

  • @sadetwizelve
    @sadetwizelve 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Any other choice besides Phil is a lie...Phil is CLEARLY more succesful,he sold more,had more hits,made better music.

  • @rickhorn9609
    @rickhorn9609 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tony banks is genesis

  • @rocky-o
    @rocky-o 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    peter gabriel...
    quality over quantity...

  • @rickhorn9609
    @rickhorn9609 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Small creeps not. Creapers

  • @henryneuville3071
    @henryneuville3071 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No consideration for Ray Wilson? Not even a mention or his solo work? You mention Chris Stewart WTF and not Ray? Ill Unsubscribe

  • @ornebatmagoo7128
    @ornebatmagoo7128 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree with your review but I think Ant Phillips lands ahead of Tony Banks, if only because if the premise of this discussion is "how successful is each individual member of Genesis?", then there seems to be a necessity to consider relevancy and musical, or cultural context - put it another way: we must look at the musical relevancy to the essence of what brought those guys together in the first place... Tony Banks is in my opinion the one lad who's drifted the furthest away from what a Genesis listener in 1971 might have expected to hear or care about 40 years later. As technically impeccable as his solo material is, it is just another trip altogether, in an genre that doesn't even appear to want to interface with popular music. It's unclear what musical identity he wants and people on the inside might tell you that it's because he poured all his heart and soul into Genesis and gave it his best, therefore, doesn't have much in reserve for a solo identity... It's as if Banks doesn't know how to assemble a good band, or choose an appropriate vocalist, or drummer, or anything. There's a sort of palpable Genesis DNA in his playing style but it feels a bit dysfunctional on its own, and uninterested in functioning. In fact, I am not aware of Tony Banks really jamming with others or being invited to join working bands... Ant Phillips chose to stop performing in public, but as you pointed out, kept putting out albums, which are well made, coherent, and fully resolved, conceptually and musically -- it's a slice of Genesis without other other members (most of the time) but it's unmistakably part of the chemistry, so it is easier for a listener familiar with the style of the band to find a footing... I recently saw a tribute album to Anthony Phillips called "Which Way The Wind Blows" and it occurred to me that no one appears to be going to this length to pay tribute to Tony Banks, which says a lot in of itself: Tony Banks has not been able to pin down his own identity outside of Genesis.
    Steve Hackett deserves the mention you give him - it's worth noting that he has also released a number of classical guitar albums which are his own stunning compositions, and which have resonated with an albeit smaller audience than his normal one, but that also shows his versatility and musical courage and virtuosity. Hackett wins over Banks and Rutherford at least in part because he had to keep struggling to remain in the game: one of the benefits of not becoming a multi-millionaire... As we know, massive financial success can either sap the drive out of artists, or when it doesn't, cause them to repeatedly fall down the stairs drunk and and mired in drama and depression, until they're unable to stand-up straight on stage.
    Peter Gabriel seems to have indeed landed the perfect sweet spot with enough financial success to expand, and not enough to self-destruct. Hackett for his part is driven, and as a result, has written and released an insane amount of albums: your shout out to him is spot on.
    Since you mention Brand X, it should be noted for Genesis fans who don't know this that Phil Collins came in to play with Brand X after Bill Bruford turned down the gig. While journalists at the time described Brand X as "Phil's other band", or "Phil's little toy", and while people assumed he created the band, it's not quite what happened: Phil Collins started to jam with Brand X and convinced 3 out of the other 5 original members to leave their record company and join his management who had a deal at Charisma Records. This was a bit of a contentious move but it worked out well commercially, until Phil Collins got tired of that side gig and eventually drifted away, before becoming one of the world's biggest pop singers. When he did, the managers dumped Brand X, as did the record company, which explains why the band never really was able to garner interest after the 1970s. You might say that Phil's notoriety made Brand X famous but he is not at the center of Brand X, except in the way Genesis fans viewed it. In fact, it appears he really stopped enjoying that style of music rather quickly. He described Genesis as "the wife" and Brand X as "the mistress with the big ****!" One should always pay attention to the things people volunteer about themselves, even jokingly.

    • @coltonbeatty6117
      @coltonbeatty6117 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Steve Hackett IS a multimillionaire. And I wouldnt call his compositions stunning, at all. You are SO off on other points as well, that it's not even funny. I'd be glad to discuss it with you though

    • @ornebatmagoo7128
      @ornebatmagoo7128 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@coltonbeatty6117 Based on your assertions, I am not interested in discussing it further. Without going into it, I know Steve Hackett is doing far better now than he was just a few years ago but your assumptions on his wealth seem to be drawn without intimate information about the man. Also if your view of his classical compositions are nothing special, I have no desire to engage further because the Internet is filled with black holes of infinite waste of time. You are perfectly free to hold the opinions you do, but it's not worth my time, clearly.