My favourite quote regarding the game is: "If magic is like chess and pokemon checkers, then yugioh is call of duty modern warfare 2." For good and for bad there's simply nothing that scratches that same itch so you need a certain kind of mindset to be able to embrace and eventually appreciate the absolute chaos.
@@alviabtahi5440liking something is one thing, declaring that it’s great, when it’s objectively in the toilet, is another thing. If it was great, we wouldn’t need whales trying to convince people.
Yugioh has beauty in its complex interactions and grind game where every decision really DOES matter. The problem is that we hardly ever get to the 'complex' part of the game, as people are throwing 4 hand traps and an extender, resulting in a really stale gameplay loop where the outcome of the game at the top level is a simple hand comparison. Don't get me wrong, I love this game to death, but there's some glaring issues with the newest cards and how they've created back to back tier zero format.
100%, the one card combos were getting lately are the biggest glaring issue with the game, I don’t even mind when one card can do a couple things and even be a starter, but the craziness one Snake Eye Ash facilitates is pretty unhealthy It’s just too much card advantage
I started with Yugioh in the beginning of the game. Dropped out around my sophomore year of high school before 5Ds was a thing and kept trying to stay with it, but couldn't keep up with it. Then a couple years ago I got back into it with Master Duel because I ended up with a girl who is into it. I can't play the IRL game anymore because I'm old and my eyes don't work as well anymore so I can't see the IRL cards, but my girlfriend and I have made a bunch of friends who play and we're going nuts with it. Excited for Yubel to drop in MD next pack, LET'S GO!!!
@@Happy_Magician that’s awesome man, Master Duel is like 99% of my Yugioh playtime these days, I’m rarely going to irl events haha Yubels doing pretty well in the TCG so it’ll be good fun in MD, still on day 1,000 waiting for Voiceless Voice tho 🥲
I'm looking forward to Voiceless Voice, when I first mentioned to my friend group I wanted to play it I didn't know that it was considered really good, I like playing new archetypes that are based around older cards. Doesn't get much older than Skull Knight
Me after a second, completely confused as to why a yugioh video is in my feed, thinking back to my master duel phase that lasted me a single week of june: oh it's zoids man! Awesome thumbnail, btw. It's very striking. Robbed me of atention of a little bit there.
@@7xAce I uhhh Dabble in a lot of hobbies lol Glad to hear you loved going through Gundam! And I might dip a bit more into Yugioh at some point, I’ve thought about streaming master duel here and there, but we’ll see!
The yugioh show I watched that got me into yugioh was Arc-V, yes one of my first exposures to yugioh was pendulums, and yes I stuck to yugioh since then, we exist.
I absolutely love Edison and Goat. I think of them like old fighting games. Street Fighter players love going back and playing Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo, and Third Strike. Yeah a lot of us will play Street Fighter 6, but it's nice going to an arcade and entering an ST tourney every now and then. It's cool that yugioh has its own version of this now.
That’s fair enough, and I like I was saying both can exist simultaneously and I do like going back every now and then for a game or two, I just resent the idea that the game itself should go back to how it was back then. Cause man. It gets boring after a couple games in my experience
My locals quit selling yugioh not too long ago because it stopped being profitable and we also quit hosting regionals for it. People aren't willing to keep paying to keep up with the meta for lack luster prize support and whether people want to admit it or not the competitive scene is what keeps a game going and the competitive players in our area realized that they could spend less money playing a different game and get a shot at actual value for their effort.
@@170skeith yeah one of the bigger issues I kinda mentioned in passing towards the end is the OTS stores Cause I do feel for them, they’re getting shafted by a lot of shit product they just can’t move, and if the games not profitable for them why should they care to run its events? It’s never explicitly said, but at the few OTS stores I’ve been too, I always get this vibe that they really don’t want to host Yugioh events, and they just kinda do it cause they feel they have to/cause the community is there, because the locals are usually a decent showout and when there’s regionals, in my experience over the years, OTS stores always manage to sell out in advance and are packed to the brim on event day
@@Viseak We started seeing ongoing decline in players as the price to compete at that level goes up but the incentives to compete are still next to nothing. People are spending less to compete in Pokemon or Digimon or magic and incentivized by the prize support and the locals level is getting it the absolute worst. Now if you want to play at a locals the nearest store is a few towns over while anything like a regionals or higher is a minimum of a 4 hour drive away
@@Viseaksidenote heart of the cards was legit magic in the anime and manga it's poorly explained but whenever Yugi is in a bad situation his millennium puzzle increases the chance of him drawing one of the few cards in his deck that would get him out of the situation and keeps doing so untill he gets to a 100% chance of drawing the out with it being stronger the more danger he's in so he's not just top decking he's altering fate completely in his favor with his only loses being either him surrendering or someone else being able to break his focus and counteract the puzzle. If he were playing IRL he'd always top deck an out even if it's a one of because he is actively using essentially RNG manipulation
The question on how to fix the handtrap dilemma was already addressed by konami exactly one format before snake eyes. Handtraps werent nearly as good in the Unchained format because rescue ace, unchained, infernoble, purrely, mannadium, etc either didn't really care about running them, or didnt really care about facing them. Usually both. It was much more board breaker heavy.
Yeah making decks with better engines that have so much gas they can’t afford to/don’t need to run them is one way around the issue Idk if it solves it though, but I would be keen to see more engine and less one card combos going forward 😅
@@Viseak they think people will discard the spell and trap card over diabelestar effect since they all have their graveyard effect turns out people use it in heavy handtrap deck instead, the same as fiendsmith they think that it will helps other light fiend decks in the game like vaal or fabled but people use them as engine instead.
There's a specific yugituber who's whole brand is just "KONAMI bad" "Yugioh DEAD GAME" "Why *insert Yugioh content* is AWFUL" very obnoxious and dramatic negative clickbaits. Thanks for not being one of them. It's quite refreshing.
If you are talking about who I think you’re talking about, then yeah. Even their videos that have good points or are about interesting topics with no relation to the negatives of Konami are laced with “but remember konami bad” that any semblance of good gets spoiled
@@DragonBallsolosyourverse meanwhile, old school yugioh: "Ok so in this set we're introducing a monster with 200 more atk than the previous best monster and then after that we're introducing a even better monster as well as a spell card that wipes out your opponent's whole backrow for free and another one that draws 3 and discards 2"
You realize most of the older cards Dm era came from a manga right?? It's not like power creep was intended by takahashi when he wrote kaiba vs yugi Ohh omg kazuki made la jinn for power creep on a card game which didt even have a physical release And it had the same stat line in the manga What komani does now, Is purposefully create new cards not from a manga Ones they made up with broken effects so yes completely intentional where alot of normal monsters were just imports from the manga not thinking much on meta relevance.
To be honest, the main reason i can still have fun in this game is because i play pet decks. Madolche and sky striker specifically. I dont need to buy new entire cores or anything, they play unique enough and have some way of combating new metas, and with madolche specifically i've played for so long that i can play in weird game states. I know i'm fortunate enough to get a lot of value with my favourite archetype, but i do think pet decks are the way to go for non meta players in order to have fun with the game and not break the bank.
Yeah I’m pretty much the same with Sky Strikers, and I’ll be the first to admit I’m the type of person that’s better at a deck, than I am at the actual game of Yugioh itself, simply cause I’ve been playing SS for so long. It’s fun and does everything I want it to do, and no new control archetypes have really achieved that type of flexibility. I am keen to try other decks at some point though (and I do play other decks but I always end up back to SS lol), I just would really like a new fun control deck to enter the format, and maybe one day we’ll get one 🥲
As a casual player who loves this game, I really like your video. I'm a rouge player at best who just likes building mid tier decks and have fun, I do play Master Duel and tried so many decks, meta and not, and learning them to keep up is just amazing. I got into Yugioh during my early College days... DURING EARLY LINK ERA. I knew nothing about the state of the game, it's history, what Link Monsters meant for the game at the time or what is even a format. All of rant of X-type of summon ruin the game. I started with Cyber Dragons, and some of my friends at the time got into Yugioh too, casual duels, trying to learn how to counter each other decks, trying new techs and discover cards. Later on, I tried Pendulums and completly love them until this day, I've tried a lot of different Decks and still adapting to this day because no other Card Game gives me same feeling when learning a new Yugioh Deck. The game will eventually get better, and eventually feel like is 'dying' again. The 15 handtraps per deck and the prices is surely and issue. Hope to see what await us, maybe a brighter format.
That’s quite the time to enter man, not so long after me I played Cyber Dragons early on as well and it was good fun for sure. Pendulum magicians before every end board being a bunch of generic Omni negates was something I really liked playing too, managing your resources and controlling the game state with Time/Star Pendulumgraph it was good fun. But I agree with ya, I’m keen to see what’s on the other side of the 15+ hand trap 1 card combo meta 😅
Yugioh isn't dying, but it does have a significant problem attracting new players. Konami has struggled to address this issue for a long time. One main reason is that, unlike Pokémon TCG or Magic, Yugioh doesn't use set rotation. This has its pros and cons, in my opinion, like decks will always be relevant at some point in time but there's a shit ton of interactions need to remember
@@divijnamdev2556 not having set rotation is one of Yugioh biggest points of difference and strengths, next to not having a mana system But yeah, I agree the new player experience needs some work, and that two player structure deck they released not so long ago is NOT it 😭
@Viseak, I agree. The tutorial booklet that comes with the two player packs doesn't do a good job at explaining the game since the card game and the online game are two completely different beasts. There are so many interaction rules to remember when playing physically. 😢
@@ViseakI love this game so much, but I'd be lying if I said it was easy to get into. Unlike most people who play and enjoy the game, I didn't get into this game until master duel was already a year old. I bashed my head against a wall for weeks until it finally clicked. That shouldn't be how it is
I understand your point about losing better, HOWEVER going second into 2 omni negates off a one card starter on top of handtrap city makes modern yugioh feel like a coin flip for going first. It just is very frustrating. Almost to the point where if you dont open handtraps going second to interrupt, the game is just kinda decided at the roll 80-90% of games. 🤷♂️
@@itstaste to counterpoint that, most modern decks can play through two omni negates. If you see yourself losing going 2nd 80-90% of the time, I FEEL like that’s a deck building problem. You might need to adjust the ratio of hand traps you’re using, maybe switch to a board breaker strategy, maybe if possible, try building your deck to go 2nd and play with that in mind so you’re less reliant on the coin flip. There’s a lot you CAN control, even if there’s some stuff you can’t
Ironically the structure of the video is basically my experience as a returning ygo player as well -gets back into game (MD), staying positive to learn and play new mechanics -actually having fun, realising ygo is still a great game -starts learning meta matchups, tweaking decks for personal playstyle and matchups -new meta rolls around, new cards are expensive (URs everywhere), gotta re-learn matchups, starts sinking more time into it -adult responsibilty hits, and you don't have the time, energy and money to keep up anymore -falls back out of the game again :( an unexpected video, but good one nonetheless! Though i will defend retro formats Forever! I actually think the opposite and modern ygo is fun for a game or two, but the multiple turns tug of war with traps and gorz as your only form of protection and cards almost always trading one for one is still the yugioh i desire for the most.
Hahaha it really is like that isn’t it, I didn’t express it in the video but I really think the love for the game comes in waves. You’ll have formats or even multiple you love and a couple you might not like as much and just ebb and flow in and out of the game, but I don’t think that ever objectively makes the game bad, it just shows how varied and complex the game has become. New banlists always tend to be a little spark that draw me back in as I love seeing how shit changes (if it’s a good banlist that is lol) but even in between I’ll still find myself casually playing cause Yugiohs just a fun TCG at the end of the day. And hey if you love retro formats more power to you! There’s obviously still a place for them in the game and maybe someday Konami will officially support more of them in tournaments, but at best none of them have ever really held my interest and at worst, they’ve just kinda bored me. I could see myself replaying a little of the later Nekroz format after Djinn is banned, and maybe even Zoo and TOSS, but even then idk how long I’d last till I got over it 😅 I think part of its cause I actually like the way the games gone and all the interaction points hand traps brought to the game, making every turn ‘our’ turn to an extent, so you can’t really clock out during turn 1 if you’re going 2nd like in older formats where you literally couldn’t do anything till your opponent was done
@@Viseak thank you for taking time out and writing a essay for me man! I hope I didn't come off too negative about the retro format part😅 i think toss was fun too as a fellow striker player! And I might be one of the few masochists that actually loved playing the striker mirror match😅
@@RedWeeb4926 It's cool man, it's the least I can do when you watched a video of me yapping for nearly an hour lmao I agree though, the Striker mirror is fun as fuck and there are so many cool interactions you can do when stealing each others Raye's and Kagari's etc, my first match at YCS Sydney this year was a Striker mirror and it was unexpected, but 3 great games none the less 😅
@@Hart_traH also true, especially against something as oppressive as Snake Eye But I guess that’s why people are playing 15+ hand traps this format, gotta open something for that matchup
This video was awesome! I started playing Yu-Gi-Oh just as pendulums got introduced, and I also play the game in waves. For me, Yu-Gi-Oh is not defined by a specific format, but by the gigantic card pool I'm obsessed with. I love drafting random custom formats, or proxying old meta to play a few games with. Oh, and modern is fun too... some months of the year. But yeah, there's nothing else like Yu-Gi-Oh. I wouldn't recommend it to my non-yugioh-playing-friends, but it's SOOOO cool once you're into it... idk
I love this game. I've been playing it since forever ago. Post pandemic has been some of my favorite times in this game. I know plenty of the shade that Konami gets is justified. But people don't really know what they want from this game and never seem to be happy no matter what is happening. Now, I think most of this is the negative pool is social media. And in person, it's nowhere as bad as folks are making it out to be.
Yeah I don’t really see the outrage or disdain for the game in person at all, but I guess that’s somewhat biased, those salty with the game likely won’t be at events to begin with But you’re right as well, a lot of people really don’t know what they want, and when they get what they want, well you end up with a format like MBT’s video I mentioned lol
@Viseak Ultimately, I think the game is fine. It could be better, yes, as in every card game, but it's not the end of the world. Thanks for the video and for talking to me.
19:30 no, Blue Eyes wasn't a game ender, it wasn't a negate, it was also a great risk since you had to tribute two monsters for it. Would you rather have two La Jinns or a Blue eyes, which then gets trap holed instantly? Oh you attacked a man eater bug with your Blue Eyes? To the graveyard with it! Blue Eyes on average would only last the turn it was summoned on This is just a giant lie constructed to defend the cancers of modern ygo, yugiboomers arent the boogeyman you make them out to be
Here's the secret to old pet deck: you can play them whenever you want in any game. It's perfectly fine to play an unsanctioned game. Yugioh having it be part of the official tournament format is like having a "gluten free" label on eggs. It's not actually different, but people like pointing too it.
You can even play em in the sanctioned game! They just won’t be very good lol And hey, you could even cheese a couple games cause some people have no idea what the older cards do
@@Viseak If all they want is a cheesey win, why not just give them a bunch of floodgaes instead? If you want to help people get out of the past, telling them they can play their 2010 is the last thing you want to do.
I just started playing again a few months ago after a 10 year hiatus. I can tell you that the game is still fun. Having said that, the power of the decks should go down a bit. Powercreep can't last forever. I recently played swordsoul on master duel and it felt powerful but not opressive like something like snake eyes. I think Konami should aim for that.
Yeah I’ve seen the sentiment of things being more in line with what swordsoul does a couple of times and I tend to agree Snake Eye and it’s endless starters / one card combos is just, a little too much advantage I feel like, and has resulted in the 15+ main deck hand trap meta
Most people agree swoso, unchained, salmangreat and Tri brigade are the levels that are fun for decks. They never feel oppressive and in most cases have tried to do different stuff with mechanics instead of power up
Tbf the only reason why it's so bad right now is because of snake eye and fiendsmith. If those wouldn't exist we would have a really good and diversive format...
Rare to see people liking current format when everyone wanting older format. I also didn't like time-wizard format not bc simplicity but there's no my favorite deck during that time.
Yeah that’s also a huge thing, when your favourite decks/play styles are more modern, older formats will inherently feel worse For me, there’s no old deck that really does the search, consistency, and utility thing that Sky Strikers does (outside of Nekroz being super super close)
Some of your takes on old yugioh really give the impression that you don't understand it at all. Particularly the Blue Eyes example. From the very beginning of the game there is an abundance of removal. A blue eyes typically does not live long. It might get trap hole'd the moment you summon it. Or you attack a set man eater bug. Or you pass to your opponent and they activate fissure, raigeki, dark hole, tribute to the doomed, or any other removal. There are SO MANY ways a blue eyes can die, that is why it has never even been considered a good card (outside of very early OCG before tribute summoning was invented, which is not what anyone is talking about when they talk about enjoying old yugioh) If you cannot out your opponent's blue eyes it is because the game has gone on long enough that your resources have dwindled. You start with 6 cards if you count the first draw, but over the course of the game you use those cards up and will eventually have only 1 or 2 or maybe 0 cards left in hand. The goal is to play more efficiently than your opponent. If you go back and forth with your opponent until you are out of cards, and then your opponent summons a blue eyes that you now can't out, chances are you had an actual interactive game up until that point and the blue eyes is just the "finishing move". It's not comparable to stuff like mystic mine at all, which is what I felt you were eluding to.
This comment literally sounds like the modern game. If you can’t out a card you didn’t run a solution to it. You lose if you run out of resources. It’s all the same
@@megaspacewaffles Modern yugioh requires your out to be in your opening hand. Its not a matter of running outs, its a matter of happening to draw the correct outs in your opening hand.
@@TheGamestars Lol no. The difference is games were slower so you could actually pull outs since most cards were proactive trades that actually interacted with the board, not reactive handtraps you could drop to exploit chokepoints. Blue eyes is a horrible example. Jinzo was more opressive and had common outs, a 1900 beater was more threatening because of low investment. If you could drop a BE you were already winning
Insanely based video. Something that I really love about modern yugioh is how complex certain gamestates are, the feeling of breaking a board because of a really well timed interruption, and managing to navigate through difficult states by properly baiting the opponent. The best part is that both players always have access to that. Just this feeling of thinking you are about to win only for the opponent to suddenly reveal an interruption they could've used earlier is so cool, because they've read you like a book. Being able to appreciate that your opponent can be really skillful is important for any competitive game.
@@NytoDork couldn’t agree more and that’s really reflective of my playstyle too, I love control decks, so I love breaking board and simplying games states and going back and forth. It’s almost like pulling apart one of those crazy puzzle things with the locks and stuff hahaha
@@PIE50100 yeah, I don’t really love the TCG’s printing practices It gets a little out of hand, no card should be anywhere near $100 imo, let alone far above it
Not to mention the master duel bump where cards like Gnomaterial clog precious ultra rare slots in the selection packs and archetypes like Kashtira are released in waves so that the entire deck can be UR.
I mean, the pricing does not look like it's getting better. Fiendsmith is going to be an engine you'll want to play in almost every deck, including snake eyes, and they're high rarity. So your $1000 dollar deck is now going to have to be a $1600-$1800 deck. I love YuGiOh too, but with how hard it is to get new players to even UNDERSTAND the game enough to have a basic understanding of what's going on, and then telling them that they're going to have to drop 2 grand on a deck if they want to compete because we're in constant tier 0 formats it's a rough ask compared to other TCGs 😅
Snakeeye was never a 1000€ Deck. That Number is very artificially inflated. (If you got the deck before people realized it was gonna be good not just as a engine to get to Hydrant on AGOV Release it was 150€). Even more now so Wanted is 20€ and Bonfire 25€ rest is pennies. I will say Fiendsmith gonna wreck shit. That thing gonna be heckin expensive
@@XLuxtra those cards have dropped from 100 peak because banlist fears. Both of which where mandatory 3ofs Witch herself was 45 and a 3 of Poplar was 25 and 2 of Then there's other 1ofs like flamberge was 15, raging phoenix is still 35, Promethean princess is 20 That's 850 before consider s:p is 100 and if they play the fenrirs that's another 45 it's cutting close at its peak to 1000 for the deck
@@GG_Nowa witch never got to 45. Atleast in Europe. 30 was maximum. Generally you could pick her up for 20 during Snake hightime. With Bonfire and Wanted at 70. Wanted only was at 100 during the time they used it to special Hydrant and dropped before Poplar even came out. During late february/ earlyMarch you could pick the entire Deck up for roughly 500 including SP, Phoenix and Princess. If you had been an early bird and got shit durin AGOV you could have had Core for 150 nd 60€ SP. Even of you add the presale price of Bonfire at its max 80 thats still around 450€.
Yeah the Fiendsmith rarity reveal was, well, rough. Its definitely not gonna be cheap. But the thing is, you don’t need to play it to compete. It’ll likely be the best deck paired with Snake Eyes and just overall be stupidly oppressive, but, you don’t NEED to play it. You can get someone into the TCG with any deck really, even something like Tenpai which is cheap as chips Even other decks like Ritual Beasts are seeing tops at the moment which aren’t too crazy in price (I think lol, I’m seeing ‘cores’ for like $100 but idk if they’re missing key cards in the deck I’m unaware of)
I really enjoyed this video. Its what we need this is stuff wary tcg players need, but also id love some acknowledgement of Rush Duels. It may not be the tcg players prize, but it certainly feels like a good midway tool and also just a cool game on its own. Also having played a ton of card games, id say the closest that ever gets to Yugioh is Battle Spirits. They have a resource, but the way its implemented frees up so much design space compared to say Magic or even Pokémon. Id say its my second favorite game and anime next to Yugioh, both master and rush
As someone to whom Striker is very near and dear to my heart, I too have grappled forever with just cutting Shark Cannon, and relegating it to the side deck. Thing is, it, much like Afterburners is one of those you don't love seeing in your opening 6 (going 2nd ofc), but once you've got everything rolling it's just so useful
@@ak47dragunov right?? Shark Cannon is just one of those cards that can be so good, but does nothing to really improve the game state that much especially going 2nd. One card I can’t seem to let go of though is Jamming Waves, a searchable non-targeting removal is such a nice to have in your toolbox
I'd just found your channel and your content has everything I love as an hobby. I also experienced the same Yugioh you did. Duel Links got me into modern TCG and I'd never looked back
Your criticism of Edison misses the point. Edison is a completely different game to modern. No one playing modern format can even scratch the surface of the amount of games someone can play of Edison, which causes its own skill gap akin to chess. The two also reward players in completely different ways. Edison isn't "Better" than modern. It has its own pros and cons. But reducing it to just "Nostalgia trippers" completely misses the beauty and complexity of the format.
@@blackrosed8068 Just wanna put it out there, there’s nothing wrong with Edison, it has its place, it deserves to exist and people like it, that’s cool I just don’t like it haha I think my main point of frustration comes from the card pool. The majority of my play time in this game was 2017 and onwards. So I’m accustom to hand traps and that form of interaction, and I genuinely like it, that’s what I want from the game. So, in that vein, when it comes to formats like Edison, I kinda hate sitting there going 2nd while my opponent just plays forever (cause synchro combos tend to take forever, even in Edison if they pop off enough with Dandylion dear lord) while I am forced to sit there and do nothing, cause, well, I can’t do anything. Hand traps don’t REALLY exist, and there aren’t any solid board breakers either. It’s ironic, cause that’s how a lot of people seem to see the modern game, and is part of the reason I disagree with that take so much, because it’s the modern game that HAS the interaction, and the older formats like Edison, where you watch your opponent play with themselves, not the other way around. Back then whoever was going 1st had a majority of the interaction, even going into turn 2 because they had the opportunity to set traps as well as make their plays. (Which funnily enough is the equivalent of the complaint about how in modern, people can just build a board AND have hand traps to stop you going 2nd, but brother it’s the SAME THING except hand traps are better because they give YOU the player going 2nd an opportunity to interact on the first turn, where traditional traps never could.) In my view, hand traps levelled that playing field and allowed for the entire game to be interactive, rather than just every turn past turn 1 having interaction, which is a net positive and something older formats unfortunately lack. In 2024, a piece of interaction is almost always glued to my hand, whether that be ash, imperm, nib, ogre, belle, mourner, droll etc, there is always something I can do and actively think about turn 1 if I’m going 2nd, rather than just turning my brain off and watching my opponent pop off. If my opponent still happens to pop off cause decks have gotten to the point of playing through hand traps, especially if they aren’t well placed, board breakers exist in abundance too, evenly, lightning storm, DRNM, raigeki etc The game now is more complex and interactive than ever and it’s what I love about it, plus, I don’t really have a single deck I enjoy playing pre Nekroz, so that doesn’t help either. If your favourite pet deck is in Edison then I get it, maybe you just wanna play it at full power and hell, there’s probably a huge nostalgia factor there too, I can’t knock that you do you, and I also can’t sit here and say there aren’t complex interactions in formats like Edison either, you’re 100% right, it’s not like it’s completely cookie cutter and there would be a certain skill gap playing in a format like that. But for me, there’s just not a single thing about it that draws me to it 😅
why did youtube take two months to recommend this video to me? You reflect my experience coming back to yugioh near perfectly, and you have put my joy with the game right now into words better than i ever can. Because of Bumbles McFumbles on june this year, I picked up the world championship ds games again and got into a rabbit hole from there. i love how batshit the game now is. I do not miss GOAT. I barely even knew about Edison. I have enough experience to understand the gripes people have now, and the initial hype has definitely fallen off... but I can't bring myself to hate this game just yet.
This was a damn well explained video. I agree with a majority of your points and it sounds like we started playing at around the same time though I started during the duelist alliance era with paper Yugioh. One thing I’ve learned from playing this game over the years is how to lose.😂 Literally I’ve been playing this game longer than my cousin who I brought into the game about almost a year ago now and he’s clapping me with his melodious or locking me with magistus. Is it frustrating yes, especially when I’ve just lost to him last weekend , but was still hella fun. As not only did I successfully bring someone new into the game (ironically family), but I was able to have fun with it even when losing. This game also brought me to meet many people and establish strong friendships and there is nothing out there really like Yugioh. Now I’m not a strong competitive player but still enjoy the challenge the modern format brings but I will take dueling against snake-eye than say a card like MasterPiece. Plus the plethora of decks, archetypes and cards even yet to be released gets my creativity going a lot more than other hobby. Except maybe Dragon ball as after losing or wining a match punching Broly feels cathartic. 😂
Thanks man! And yeah seriously learning to lose is probably one of the biggest things a lot of people need to do better. Like I said in the video it’s a two player game, someone’s always gonna win and for one person to win, the others gotta lose. So just embrace that possibility and try to do better. Awesome to hear you managed to get your cousin into the game too, it’s a hard feat to get anyone into Yugioh so props for managing that. But yeah seriously the amount of creativity you can have with the near endless card pool or Yugioh is unreal, and it just keeps getting bigger and wilder
For me the biggest problem with modern YGO is the negate problem. YGO have so many different types of interruption and interaction that plays into each other. Destroyed fire king summons another fire king, banished thunder dragon summons another thunder dragon, banish a card that can't be destroyed, non target a card that can't be targeted, flip face down cards, send to gy, take control of enemy's card, equip enemy's monster, send monster to backrow, return card back to the hand/deck, tribute a card that can't be effected by anything, suck a card into xyz material. There's a lot of fun ways of interaction in this card game but the best of them is to say "NO"??. So instead of playing this back and forth slugfest of a game of wit we gotta deal with: "ain't nobody play any card game today but me" negate board. Hand trap problem also originate from this. Like, the only competitively viable hand traps that doesn't negate is maxxx c, ghost ogre, and dogwood. Everything else? NEGATE ! or some other type of saying NO (shifter, droll). Maxxx C is its own set of problem, but Hand trap problem IS negate problem. You board might not have any negate, but if you have 4 card in hand that can negates, then its still a negate board.
Heck, the entire way Yugi won his first match against Kaiba was by drawing the one card that made the rest of his hand not awful. And the series continued that trend right up to today.
I think **modern ygo can be so much fun if every deck is a sort of midrange decks** like Branded, Sky striker or Swordsoul deck that have a short combo and let both opponents play the game with a decent amount of interactions. **The best yugioh gameplay I've ever seen was in March 2023 MCS finals** where 2 Branded Despia player fight each other in 10+ turns back an forth duel , better player wins through better understanding, strategy, skill and a bit of luck. That's what yugioh is all about, not locking out your opponent turn one and calling it a day. I hate those 10 min. "competitive" videos where no one can do anything against their opponent's boards and it simply comes down to rock, paper, scissors. Fuck floodgates, fuck FTKs, fuck combo deck and fuck just draw the out™ endboards, they're all against the spirit of playing a game. A couple back/forth duel of non-game-ending interruptions with some follow-up is where it's at.
@@thaariqbinaziz2821 I agree for the most part, and in an ideal world, I think a format with a good amount of both variety AND skill expression is the perfect storm Like sometimes we get one or the other, like how Tearlaments was a great format for skill expression, but not really experimentation or creative deck building, it was just up to who was the better player, at Tear lol Which can be cool for a short time and I get why people like formats with more skill expression, but I reckon it also gets kinda stale relatively quickly, unless of course that insanely good deck happens to be one you really fuck with
I started yugioh back in 2014 during HAT format and I honestly I miss the grind games we had. I miss when trap cards actually mattered. I truly hope we get more decks that aren't focused on blowing up turn one and steamrolling the opponent. I'm planning to rebuild my Altergeist deck at some point along with Earth Machine to cater to that experience I love. It won't ever win a game at locals, but it'll be more fun than playing competitive in its current state
I got into yugioh in one of its worst formats according to many (covid era adventure tenyi, drytron, branded, eldlich) and I managed to get interested to the point it's almost my main hobby. Theres just something about modern yugioh, even in the bad formats. It's the closest a card game has come to a fighting game to me and it's fucking art. Handtraps feel like neutral, getting your combo off through their interactions feels like a launcher, and going second feels like trying to get through a wake up mix (sometimes you just have dark ruler as a invincible dp reversal) I dont know what else to describe it as other than art. Stun is a crayon drawing but you get the idea. Btw I play Vanquish Soul I may be a fan of fighting games lol
Yeah damn that is a rough time to get in, especially when you just simply can’t play in person. I see the comparison to fighting games a lot, but this is the first time I’ve read a comment and actually kinda understood it haha, I don’t really play fighting games so the analogy usually goes straight over my head. But it really is an art in and of itself, there’s so much interaction and back and forth it’s fun as fuck, idk how anyone prefers the absolute stalemate that was old Yugioh
@@Viseak I'm actually a fan of Edison and HAT (but not goat) for it's own merit, but I think modern limited might be my favourite format. Cubes, drafts, the new game Dungeon Duel Monsters, etc, are all SO fun
The issue with losing in Yu-Gi-Oh is that most losses feel like they aren't all that helpful. There was nothing you could have done better, there's nothing to learn, you just got shifter'd, or choked with hand traps, or what have you.
For sure man, sometimes cards like shifter happen that cripple your whole deck, but 9/10 times there is something different you could’ve done and improved upon. Whether that be gameplay wise or deck building wise before a game ever even starts, but a lot of players will brush the majority of losses off to sacky cards or bullshit when it’s not true, and if a fuckin casual like me can see that I mean, cmon
@@masterflamewing234 oh 100%, but that’s only now, I get how it is to play the modern game though as I did have a period where I’d go to locals every week, regionals multiple times a year and obviously just the one YCS here in Australia still lol I still play a good amount of master duel these days though and keep up with the meta best I can
Yugioh is just a great toolboxy game for people who want to learn crazy combos not too unlike a fighting game. If you are someone who enjoys spending time in the lab learning wild combos in a fighting game I think yugioh is right up your alley.
Fighting games work because said combos can be reacted too quickly by blocking,parrying or whatever Yugioh is a turn based game meaning that quick reaction time gameplay dont translate well into a card game
@@DragonBallsolosyourverse Hand traps, backrow, your own monster effects on board, even spent backrow or monsters in Grave can have effects. There's plenty means to punish people in a proactive and reactive sense and alot of learning this comes from skill. That skill starts at fundamental deck building. It's why people routinely have broken goat format so much because the base level of skill has risen as people have learned from years of jamming it or from jamming modern
@GG_Nowa Dissgree deck building isn't really a skill used outside of a pro setting because you can just look up a meta deck and build that. You don't need to be good at deck building. Unlike a fighting game there's no luck involved. I can't brick in a fighting game. People breaking goat format isn't as impressive as it sounds considering people broke goat format back in the day it's not a case of the skill level being higher but of there being a bigger community and easier to share and access knowledge. Wheres the skill in a tier 0 format where duel get decided by if you have the money to buy into that format? Card games don't translate to fighting games yugioh especially does not. If you could do a combo in a fighting game that turns off your opponents controller at the start of the match maybe but the comparisons don't work. All that interaction is largely meaningless. Trap cards are too slow to interact a lot of the time Hand traps themselves are a problem in that they dominate the game too much. Not playing a deck that can play through more than 1 hand trap you lose Didn't draw the out you lose. There's no equivalent to did you draw the out in fighting games which again to me shows why its a bad comparison. Fighting games are about skill reacting, how well you can think under pressure, and always have points of interaction. Even defense is interactive. Card games have luck baked in yugioh has many decks and cards that simply don't allow for any points of interaction and these typically end up being very meta and used by everyone. Fighting games do not translate to card games and vice versa outside of being competitive and 1v1
That's reliant on you drawing you drawing into the hand trap How many you really running in a 40 card deck? 5 10 maybe Even 10 could cause bricking since they dont aid your deck in anyway If you draw 3,4 you might not be able to combo
Personal thought: Hand traps and one card starters should co relate By that, I mean if we're going to have them, there should be a relationship between them. Not like ash blossom to say drytron thuban. Hand trap effects should be beneficial to the user more than harmful to the receiver. You should want them because responding helps you advance your board state but comes with the risk of needing to respond appropriately Megalith Och is one of my favorite examples of this concept: a significantly weaker version of something like verte anaconda, but the upside is it becomes what you make of it since it fills 2/3rds the summoning conditions for ritual monsters and you just need one extra. This example is because how i use it is to *convert* shinobaron peacock into a pseudo hand trap: I summon in response to my opponent doing things i dont want and the setup is the risk to use that hand trap, with the benefit being a loopable, timeable, hard to stop effect unless you break the summon itself.
@@yugijak that’s an interesting way to look at it, but I do wonder if it’d be too convoluted if it was something generic more decks could do (like slotting in basic negate hand traps) I’d have to actually see it printed and play with it to know for sure though, and even then, I’m not expert lol
@Viseak Yeah It's less I meant it for generic and more I think hand traps should have requirements you need to meet or that they should be something you create instead of printed outright
As a long-time player who has seen a lot of ygo doomposting over the years, this was very refreshing to watch. I’ve always told friends who would “quit” that they’d be back soon and sure enough they would. There just isn’t anything like this game. I hope to keep playing advanced format as I have been the last 12 years. Thank you for sharing.
No worries and yeah, that’s typically how it goes. You ‘quit’, try to find something else that fills that void, nothing else really does, and you’re back to the best card game on offer. In general I think it’s pretty healthy to take breaks here and there though especially if you’re burnt out, but you’ll always come back to Yugioh
I actually fully agree with you! The format is actually quite diverse as long as they hit the Snake Eye deck which means that the other decks are actually quite balanced.
Snake eye is just a radically changed up mess that feels as if they don't understand the decks people enjoyed are like not what snake eye is at all despise some of the decks being combo decks.
Yeah honestly without Snake Eye, there is so much new stuff that could be fun as fuck to play It’s just a shame Snake Eye completely overshadows all of it
@@k-dawgHI I mean I am casual af, but not like yugiboomer casual, like I can only be bothered to go to the 1 YCS held in Australia a year and maybe play a regional here and there Oh and you know, a good bit of master duel every other day if I’ve got the time
Your reaction speaks volumes to how bad the game is. If the players are so dissatisfied to such a degree, maybe the game isn’t all that great to begin with. Even Sonic fans aren’t THIS bitter towards their favourite franchise. Hell, even Pokémon fans aren’t this bitter towards their favourite franchise and they’re the guys that complained about N64 trees.
@@Hynotama No it doesn't, you can probably say it speaks to how flawed it is or how it could improve but there's clearly people who appreciate the game. A lot of the complaints especially since MD got released is from older players saying the games too crazy but those older players don't contribute much as people who actually play the game; plus it's not a media giant like Pokemon which profits from things besides games. Like you said players complain about things as irrelevant as assets so I'm pretty sure it's not too far-fetched to say people can do that for different games.
@@Hynotama for the same reason older players contribute to a game that removes years of content to cater to them, they don’t. Most older players played as kids or played casually so why would you listen to them instead of people who actively play your game. All because a game could improve doesn’t mean it’s bad.
I love this positivity. Theres so much meme negativity around yugioh, that we need to hear the voices and oppinions of people who love it! Thank you for this.
The only difference between niw and back then is they have give us more cards to search pur outs and interaction. They’ve actually given us more ways and chances to make it to that miracle top deck that changes the game.
As someone who just made the decision to get back into this game (there is a YCS near me in February that I really want to attend), this video found me at the PERFECT time, so thank you.
The video was so great!! I probably agree with everything you said in the video. It's such an interesting and complex card game that's so much fun, and the complexity makes it so exciting. Something in it makes my monkey neurons activate. Locals give me anxiety but the rate of nice people is much higher than of the dumb annoying ones, which is always nice. Also I'll probably never play at a championship level, but those large events really need to get fixed from the ground up.
Yeah the complexity is what makes it for sure! I reckon you should try a bigger event at least once (if there’s one close enough by that is), they might be mismanaged sometimes but if you’ve got the time to spare, they can be super fun. It’s only once a year but I enjoy going to the Aussie YCS each and every time
I only play master duel because I don’t like to spend money, I’ve been playing thunder dragon bystial. This video has given me inspiration to keep grinding and maybe build a deck and go to locals. I got in the game in 2009 and left when wind up hunter hand looped me and got back in in 2023. Thanks man.
You're absolutely right! Although the game has its flaws in the form of annoying meta and ban lists that don't always hit what they should, Yugioh is a fun game where we can relive our childhood dreams of dueling with our friends and against strong opponents. One of the good things about having multiple formats is that if you don't like the ban lists and way things are done in one format, you can just go play on another one per your preference.
The prizing support is horrible because Kazuki Takashi said so. Why don't we ask him for his opinion now? Oh wait, he's fuckin' dead. Get real, Konami, we have things to do, people to pay, stop giving out trash prizing.
I started playing Yugioh with Legacy of the Duelist LE last year, and I specifically remember finishing the tutorial on Pendulums and thinking "this is the most rad shit ever devised by mankind, how do people not like these"
@@mickjaegar2379 yeah seriously I think the pendulum mechanic is fun as fuck, my only ‘issue’ with it was that every pendulum board ended on the same thing in modern, just you know, do everything you can to end on Savage, Barron, Apo, Vortex, basically as many omni negates as possible so every deck just worked to the same end board which I thought was kinda boring. I think more control / recursion based pendulum strategies are way more fun, like basic pendulum magicians with all their recursion and ending on cards like time / star pendulum graph If you’re still kinda dipping your feet in the game i might just be yapping and you might have no clue what I’m on about, but TLDR yes pendulum is cool as fuck
Fun video, on the real. YuGiOh not rotating out sets like MTG does for Standard Format or Pokemon genuinely allows for rogue decks and dummies like me who still come up to locals with Dangers or Machina Karakuri, on top of having had good reprint sets since Dark Beginning 1 in 2004, has been a blessing I don't think most YuGiOh players realize other TCGs don't have. I was around when Magic lied to the players faces on reprinting Fetch Lands for Modern Horizons 2 among other controversies. I do agree the Secret Rare and UR practices for archetypes they know will be meta is a bit scummy, but yearly MegaTins and other reprint sets help that for budget players. But I come back to YuGiOh on the regular, and love seeing the game evolve and stupid stuff get pushed in hopes I can Super Poly it away or some other cheeky move. I love this game and franchise whole-heartedly, and would love to see it keep going. There's definitely stuff Konami should fix, so here's hoping.
Not watching a 40 minute video to disagree with a hot take. Yugitubers aren't being dramatic. We have been in consecutive tier 0 formats essentially since covid started. Back in the time of spellbooks, nekroz, and dragon rulers it was bad but those events happened 2-3 years apart from each other on average, with the time in between generally being diverse and games not ending on average before turn 4. Now, it will be 4 tier 0 formats within 2 years with the release of fiendsmith. Compliment that with the adding of MORE handtraps, MORE one-card combos, and MORE infinite recursion, and Yugioh is hardly even a card game anymore. The barrier to entry is massive and they are no longer gaining new players, and the shareholders know this and are pisses about it. This is ignoring how the TCG is fleecing the western playerbase with rarity bumped format staples and engine pieces. Shops are no longer supporting it, people are switching to Lorcana and One Piece, or even pokemon, and players aren't picking up the game anymore. ignoring all of this is plain ignorant.
I agree with you with everything, we need to learn how to loose, playing the 3 rounds gives you best feelings at the end IMO. Hand traps are not the problem, at this moment we have 2-4 decks can have 15 hand traps or more, it should be least IMO, but again, this is the way to deal with insane combos. The real problem to me, is the price, is hiking too much, so not everyone can play it in a competitive way or better.
I recently got back into Yu-Gi-Oh via Duel Links. I haven't bought cards since before GX was a thing, and I haven't watched any anime after GX. I still have no idea how synchro, pendulum, or link summoning works. XYZ summoning isn't that hard to figure out, but anything else I really don't care to learn.
I had one of the GBA games (Worldwide Edition: Stairway to the Destined Duel) that I started playing again earlier this year, but after a couple of weeks playing it, somehow the game got corrupted. The save file was erased and it refused to save anything anymore. It's acting like a GB/GBC cart where the internal battery died on, but there was no battery. I also have an older GBA game (Eternal Duelist Soul) that had a battery, but not Worldwide Edition.
@@cardsfanbj the old DS games were pretty fun, like I was saying I played the hell out of GX Spirit Caller back in the day. Hell even duel links is pretty fun, and it’s decently caught up with modern Yugioh as far as I’m aware, just still a simplified format by comparison. XYZ is easy and honestly links are even easier to understand after playing with em for a game or two. Same with synchros, the hardest is probably pendulum but even that isn’t so bad after a little while. It just depends if you like complexity in your card games though, cause honestly it becomes so much fun once you understand how everything works, but if you don’t care for it that’s chill too
Get out of here with your reasonable takes and good opinions! You either hate that Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't like how you (badly) played on the playground or are one of those brainless ADHD zoomer kids who take 5 hours to play their turn to set up 90 negates with their copy pasted net decked from 5 years ago who doesn't see that Yu-Gi-Oh! is dying for the 5 millionth time! But seriously it's refreshing to see someone who played, took a long break and come back see how much the game has evolved for the better during that time. Is it flawless? No, but nothing ever is. No game lives for as long as YGO does without having it's bad times.
I like to think of YGO as the Dark Souls of TCGs. If you like to get brutally massacred by FTKs until you figure out how to play, then this game is for you
I'm a relatively new player as well. I played it a bit as a child but dropped it as it was hard to find other players where I live. I only really started playing when Master Duel came out. I watched enough yugitube to understand how the game works and, altho it was hard, after a while I got better at the game. I don't think anything beats that feeling of watching your opponent build an opposing board, only to slowly break it apart during your turn and land the killing blow that same turn. My pet deck is Fluffal, I have no right doing that to these meta decks. And every time there's a new meta deck, I try to get a win like that. They may have better win ratios against me, and I know Fluffal won't be playable forever, but that only made my few wins mean so much more to me. It's just so rewarding to stick with a game, stick with a deck, and somehow make it work against seemingly unsurmountable odds. I do want to try other card games, but I don't think any other card game would give me that feeling the same way modern Yu-Gi-Oh does.
@@mintagenart yeah I get where you’re coming from and I’m the same with Sky Striker. Don’t get me wrong I’ll try and play new decks cause I’m always keen to see what new play styles come out and play something a little more meta relevant, but I’ll always come back to Sky Striker to have some fun and break some boards
@@Viseak Blind second Sky Striker is so cool! I also try playing the meta decks and find fun with those as well. And it helps learning how to beat them when you yourself have played them and know the in and outs.
@@hexolomgaming9498 I’d agree, but the glaring issue is that I don’t think Konami feels they need to compete Cause they know people are gonna always come back to Yugioh cause there’s nothing else on the market like it. Not to say other TCG’s are bad cause that’s simply untrue, but as a Yugioh player who’s tried a bunch of other TCG’s, literally nothing out there scratches that Yugioh itch, and Konami knows it. I DO think they need to improve their products though, so that OTS stores don’t get shafted and actually have a good reason to stock the product and not drop it entirely like some stores do, cause without the OTS stores supporting it well, there is no TCG
@@Viseak I do agree to a extent that people eventually come back your 100% but there in lies a problem because konami hasn't been held to a standard to be push on quality products. And I do also agree there is a itch for yugioh. But then we have to ask ourselves when are we gonna keep itching the infection on. I can get staples for another card game for less then 3 dollars, I will acknowledge konami has been trying to make more reprints, however there hasn't been enough
Honestly a good take on a video I'm tired of people telling me one card or another is killing the game or that Yu-Gi-Oh is dead because a new card is coming out it's very exhausting LOL
I really did love this so much. Everyone is always talking about how the game is being ruined, but as someone who was absorbed in yugioh for my whole life, I think it’s better now than ever. I love seeing someone else really explain a lot of the things I think make it better now
This is also what I tend to say. I just started plyaing ygo md 1 year ago and the paper version half a year ago. I do love the conplexity, because it challenges me :)
to me the best part about Yu-Gi-Oh is the one card combo you don't need mana/land/resources you can just GO GO GO and it's really fun all others tcg/CCG if you down to top deck war , you just drag out and boring
I have been playing "proper" YuGiOh since 2008-9. I don't quit it entirely, I just take breaks when the formats are overbearing. Each era of YuGiOh is literally a different game. The current Tier Zero hell has been a replay episode of past Tier Zeroes in history- nothing really has changed. Is the game dying? Probably. It has never been harder for anyone to get into this game than ever before. The proliferation of Edison and GOAT formats is the result of that. You basically went from a game that could be played by children to a modern day cringefest solitaire that can only be played by adults. Konami has never been one to address on the obnoxious card prices, nor the lack brakes for the power creep. People who complain are the first ones in line who will buy the next box set. The irony. It's like that abusive boyfriend you complain about, but you still keep coming back. Lol.
I think taking breaks is the most healthy thing to do, cause really it’s like you said, most people will find themselves coming back to Yugioh at some point cause really, there is no other card game like it. I still resent the solitaire argument though, if anything the games probably more interactive now than it’s ever been, but there are some, well, glaring issues with one card combos that need to be addressed
@@Viseak The solitaire argument moreso is thrown because of the powercreep that the game fails to catch a rest. That's why I refuse to play decks that summon more than 5x a turn. Here in the OCG (yes, I am an OCG player), locals and even our Japanese neighbors call these combo decks "masterb8ing", and there's a culture of ironically mocking players who only play meta combo decks, hence, we have a lot of pet deckers. It's not even "interactive" per se. Either you draw the "out" or you're screwed. That's the state of YuGiOh we are in. Everyone plays the same linear 1 card or 1.5 card combo lines. You are not competitive if your deck cannot run enough handtraps or run through hand traps, or run floodgates or run through floodgates. I don't dislike what YuGiOh entirely has become, as I play it to this day. But it would be disingenuous to not admit that the recent state of the game is not a result of poor card game design.
Alright, you had me the moment you said "If you aren't as stubborn as a brick wall, this game probably isn't for you." I'm so much the guy who slams his head against a wall over and over again, fighting the same Soulsboss hours on end, putting weird and horrible restrictions on myself to make a game more fun to struggle against... and I know 100 % that's the only reason I keep loving Yugioh despite all my frustrations.
@@Viseak Glad you're having fun with it! I'm looking forward to playing it myself, just haven't got around to it. Yugioh truly is the Dark Souls of card games!
Honestly Konami should just say f**k it and give every deck insanely powerful decks so not only is everything around the same price because nothing is too op, but it makes the game a lot more fun by having no 'rogue' strategy.
@@tempestst_pr0to that might be a little too far in one direction but I see where you’re coming from 😅 At that point I think you’d just end up with exponential power creep, when the power right now is already creeping quite fast hahaha
Are you really gonna act like the only way to play Yu-Gi-Oh is to act like you're playing a fighting game in an EVO tournament? Also, the fact that "hand traps" are now Solemn Judgments on legs is "modern Yu-Gi-Oh".
@@Ticketman99 no lol, there’s hundreds of different ways to play Yugioh, even in the modern format And they definitely aren’t solemn judgments on legs man hahahaha, that’s an extreme over exaggeration 😅
It’s not that fun tho imo. I don’t understand how getting destroyed after waiting 5-10 minutes in two turns max after having every single thing you attempt to do stopped with nothing you can do except use the same cards they used against you but also cost hundreds of dollars or tedious solo play in master duel/taking the ass whoopings on the chin and not surrendering just to get a thousand gems which based on rng can be all you need or another 5000 + recycling cards/crafting. But that ONE match out of maybe 10 you are rewarded with a somewhat balanced battle with flow.
I like the more complicated and faster paced format we have now, but my problem is 2 things: 1. The huge amount of handtraps and negates is just not so fun for me. My opponent having an answer for my entire hand while also having a crazy on card starter is just not fun for me. I like 1 or 2 handtraps, thats some good interaction, but killing my entire hand without trading your hand is just not fun to me. I do agree on the necessity for them, just not half of the deck being handtraps. 2. The price point for the game is out of hand. I have a friend who wants to get into the TCG, and he askes for a budget deck. I gave him a Random rogue liat i had, which was like $70 total. His version of budget was like $40 max, and seeing what most modern decks cost now has him discouraged from even playing. I do like your point on losing and not blaming lucky draws, cause usually you also might have messed up somewhere else (at least in my experience) My latest locals is a good show of my experience: nost games were against tier 1-2 decks, and we had a good game where we went back & forth having fun. Matched up against the SE guy, 4 hand traps & bonfire. Matched up against the Tenpai guy, shifter, some other handtraps, and paidra. But yeah great video anyways 💜
On point 1, I 100% agree but like I was saying, I think this is more a one card combo, Snake Eye in particular, issue, cause that deck just generates a dumb amount of advantage off on SE Ash that it becomes a necessity to run a stupid amount of hand traps to hard counter it before it pops off Remove snake eye, and suddenly we’ve got a much healthier game On point 2, yeah, it’s pretty rough. I think it’s getting better, but still not quite in a position where anyone can pick up and play super easily. I think having friends helps a lot though, like a lot of players have a good few decks lying around, so even if it’s not great, there’s probably a deck your friend could borrow off you to get his feet wet no? That’s borderline what I did, I bought structure decks to start but then my mate that got me into the game would lend me some staples and slowly I got interested and progressed from there. It’s obviously not a solution like the whole borrow a Trident Dragion from your friend situation lol but it can help There’s definitely a lot you can do different in probably every match you play, even the best Yugioh players see it so I find it funny when the most casual players insist they’re playing really well and only lost cause of sacky cards hahaha Anywho that’s enough of that, thanks for watching and takin the time to comment 🫶🏼
I think it's a general good outlook on most hobbies. As far as gaming goes, it's a little hard to put invest so much into a thing that doesn't love you back. It can lead to a general frustration in people and they get so doompilled about the thing they depend a lot of their life on. If, however, you have some distance from the game, 90 percent of the issues, at least to me, vanish.
@@nextbigdizzman couldn’t agree more, I think keeping most hobbies at arms length and not getting completely engulfed by them is a pretty healthy approach and fixes so many supposed ‘issues’ as a whole
i really like the digimon game but lorcana is the first tcg ive played that fills the yugioh shaped hole in my heart, not in the same way, not even close there is no where near as much interaction in lorcana but the resource management tickles me in a similar way
@@Joy_inc hey that’s fair enough, go forth and enjoy the hell out of it by all means. For me something in my brain just can’t get over summoning Elsa to let it snow for game or however it works so idk if Lorcana is ever gonna be my thing 😭 Definitely a skill issue on my part tho
I like playing YGO but I don't consider myself a fan, I didn't grow up with the anime and I officially started playing when Synchros came out. I tried playing competitively years ago (Zexal - Arc-V) but it wasn't worth it, so I only play decks that I truly enjoy. 30:07 You may be comparing apples to oranges but at the end of the day, both are fruits, just like YGO and motorsports are both hobbies. We invest money and time to enjoy these things, but when we no longer enjoy them, when they consume our money, time and even our mental health then it isn't worth it.
@@zelandmusic lol there’s a fine line with em for me, cause you can go either: haha funny boom sound or Overuse it and go so far off the deep end it’s not funny anymore and your video turns into take a shot every time you hear a vine boom please make it stop So I almost took em out, but I’m glad I didn’t 🗣️💥
One thing that’s not taught well is how to play around hand traps. Two players can open the same hand but how they play it changes what, if any, hand traps that stop them. Simple examples include searching in the Draw Phase to play around Droll, summoning a negate by summon 5 to stop Nibiru, or chain blocking to stop Ash. Knowing these more technical interactions and how your deck navigates drastically changes how bad hand traps seem to you.
@@joshuatran6526 couldn’t agree more, and I’ll call myself out too I sometimes forget these interactions are a thing, like how you can get a free negate from droplet if you chain it to for example a hornet drones and send the drones from field. That’s a really obvious one by comparison but still, there are so many little interactions in this game that can completely change how you play, and how games turn out for you.
@@Viseak A similar tangent is that we are taught how to build a board, but not how to break it. This is actually worse at a locals level because you can just luck into winning the die roll to go first in the majority of a 4 or 5 round locals and consider it a good performance without having to make a strong going second performance. Compare that to a 14 round YCS with 12 wins needed to top, where, even if you always win going first, you are expected to win at least 5 games that you lost the die roll on. An 8 round regional is a little more forgiving with 6 required wins with 2 expected to be going second.
@@joshuatran6526 yeah the bigger the event and the more rounds go by, the much harder it becomes, especially with so many decks reliant on going first, there’s also things like fatigue to consider as well, a whole day of Yugioh can get pretty mentally taxing and you’re more likely to misplay the more rounds go by. I’ve personally had so much more fun optimising for going 2nd these days though, cause if I win the dice roll, great! If I lose the dice roll, well, I’m probably going 2nd anyway. So the struggle to be the one who goes first is one less thing to worry about
I’m very similar. I started playing YuGiOh on the playground back around the release of the first movie. I fell off after GX ended because my decks went into the washer. I jumped back in with Master Duel a couple months before Tear format started. A lot of things in the game can be frustrating but after playing Goat, Edison and modern, I VASTLY prefer modern. I’ll play Goat because it’s nostalgic for me but I find Edison incredibly boring. My favorite way to play is with a friend where we can pick decks that are intentionally around the same power level but I also really enjoy playing a rogue deck into the meta. Most of the what I enjoy about the game doesn’t exist in the older versions of the game.
Oh man, I had a deck that ended up in the washing machine one time too 😭 But yeah I agree, there’s just so much you can’t do in old iterations of the game that make modern Yugioh fun
Most i got from this video is 1 attendance is high yet i got no locals 2 you should just accept losing (bruh all my locals runs snake eyes i maybe win 1 outa 3 rounds but lose every match). 3 you should just accept rogue if you cant afford the best stuff....coming from a guy who cant phyiscally play.... 4 you only have to shill out a couple hundred to compete eqch month....dude next set the engine alone is gonna cost towards a grand...again... 5just be happy with the prize support...why? Tbh id what to feel rewarded for actually winning 6 you should be happy with the state of the game konami is putting it in....looks at grave yard of failed card games...guess we getting closer to it 6 its just a childrens card game....you and i both know 90 percent of players are over 25 years old...6 new player experience....there is no "new" players getting into this game also the long wording on cards i dont expect new or young players to even bother with this game (you go ahead and tell a 10 year old to play snake eyes as a first deck...ill bet yah he doesnt make it thru a game) 7 overall state of the game is not healthly nor does it promote overall growth most players that are coming into the game are yugiboomers not kids...last time i saw a kid playing this game at a lcs was 8 years ago and i travel around the states and play at different lcs and havent seen anyone below 18 touching this game at what point do we just put the blinders on and say the game is good? Also side note most players that can compete at higher levels have to travel far for said events (most are invites to said events) prize support should least feel like you arent going negative at a event for winning...as a stubborn sacred beast player ima say this i know im gonna lose i know im gonna struggle....but im not gonna sugar coat it and be like this is health cause its not..... Then again the way you said stuff wouldnt be suprised you like the konami bdsm effect...
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My favourite quote regarding the game is:
"If magic is like chess and pokemon checkers, then yugioh is call of duty modern warfare 2."
For good and for bad there's simply nothing that scratches that same itch so you need a certain kind of mindset to be able to embrace and eventually appreciate the absolute chaos.
Perfect analogy, because MW2 is the trashy, unbalanced, consolized, powercrept version of MW1.
I mean Pokemon TCG is literally Pokemon gameplay but in card game
So pay to win garbage?
I call YuGiOh the Marvel vs. Capcom of TCGs. You’re either down for the insanity or you aren’t. But if you are? There is so much fun to be had.
@@level3xfactor mvc2 specifically
“Yugioh got hard but I got harder” is now something I will quote daily. Thank you
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That's going to be my daily motto
Pride months over fellas there's no reason to be that ghetto🙃
How about you stop lying and just tell people you’re a whale?
this got me harder than ever
God its always so refreshing to see someone have an actual discussion about modern Yugioh from a non-Yugituber.
And yet there’s still a dude in the comments calling me a Konami shill it’s wild 😭
@@Viseak Imagine LIKING something. Ugh, must be a shill
@@alviabtahi5440 right? How dare I
@@Viseak ew who has opinions
@@alviabtahi5440liking something is one thing, declaring that it’s great, when it’s objectively in the toilet, is another thing. If it was great, we wouldn’t need whales trying to convince people.
Modern yugioh does the very fun thing where every duel is hydrogen bomb vs hydrogen bomb
Right!
look who i found doomscrolling
Yugioh has beauty in its complex interactions and grind game where every decision really DOES matter. The problem is that we hardly ever get to the 'complex' part of the game, as people are throwing 4 hand traps and an extender, resulting in a really stale gameplay loop where the outcome of the game at the top level is a simple hand comparison. Don't get me wrong, I love this game to death, but there's some glaring issues with the newest cards and how they've created back to back tier zero format.
100%, the one card combos were getting lately are the biggest glaring issue with the game, I don’t even mind when one card can do a couple things and even be a starter, but the craziness one Snake Eye Ash facilitates is pretty unhealthy
It’s just too much card advantage
@@Viseak 100%. Outside of these instances though, the breakneck pace is what makes this game fun, which people just can't stand for some reason.
I started with Yugioh in the beginning of the game. Dropped out around my sophomore year of high school before 5Ds was a thing and kept trying to stay with it, but couldn't keep up with it. Then a couple years ago I got back into it with Master Duel because I ended up with a girl who is into it. I can't play the IRL game anymore because I'm old and my eyes don't work as well anymore so I can't see the IRL cards, but my girlfriend and I have made a bunch of friends who play and we're going nuts with it. Excited for Yubel to drop in MD next pack, LET'S GO!!!
@@Happy_Magician that’s awesome man, Master Duel is like 99% of my Yugioh playtime these days, I’m rarely going to irl events haha
Yubels doing pretty well in the TCG so it’ll be good fun in MD, still on day 1,000 waiting for Voiceless Voice tho 🥲
I'm looking forward to Voiceless Voice, when I first mentioned to my friend group I wanted to play it I didn't know that it was considered really good, I like playing new archetypes that are based around older cards. Doesn't get much older than Skull Knight
@@Happy_Magician yeah for sure! It’s good fun to play and I’m a sucker for a good ritual deck
@@ViseakI thought Voiceless Voice is coming together with Yubel and some other stuff?
@@bonadoni762 is it? I genuinely don’t know I don’t really watch Dkayed or look at leaks so I have no idea lol
Me after a second, completely confused as to why a yugioh video is in my feed, thinking back to my master duel phase that lasted me a single week of june: oh it's zoids man!
Awesome thumbnail, btw. It's very striking. Robbed me of atention of a little bit there.
@@SomewhatlikeIsaac cheers man 🫶🏼
for me its gundam man haha. your recommendation to watch gundam in order actually makes me love gundam more @Viseak haha. I hope u dip more in yugioh
@@7xAce I uhhh
Dabble in a lot of hobbies lol
Glad to hear you loved going through Gundam! And I might dip a bit more into Yugioh at some point, I’ve thought about streaming master duel here and there, but we’ll see!
The yugioh show I watched that got me into yugioh was Arc-V, yes one of my first exposures to yugioh was pendulums, and yes I stuck to yugioh since then, we exist.
Pendulum pride! Arc-V is my favorite :p
@@gyppygirl2021does D/D also a pendulum pride ? Some people in an online community called anti Pendulum since it's never use the high scale.
@@christianjericho82 I count it! It's got pendulums, and it does use them, so.
@@gyppygirl2021 Hell Yeah Pendulum Pride for me
That's when I picked it up too lol. Right at the tail end of Arc V and the start of vrains in 2017
I absolutely love Edison and Goat. I think of them like old fighting games. Street Fighter players love going back and playing Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo, and Third Strike. Yeah a lot of us will play Street Fighter 6, but it's nice going to an arcade and entering an ST tourney every now and then. It's cool that yugioh has its own version of this now.
That’s fair enough, and I like I was saying both can exist simultaneously and I do like going back every now and then for a game or two, I just resent the idea that the game itself should go back to how it was back then.
Cause man. It gets boring after a couple games in my experience
My locals quit selling yugioh not too long ago because it stopped being profitable and we also quit hosting regionals for it. People aren't willing to keep paying to keep up with the meta for lack luster prize support and whether people want to admit it or not the competitive scene is what keeps a game going and the competitive players in our area realized that they could spend less money playing a different game and get a shot at actual value for their effort.
@@170skeith yeah one of the bigger issues I kinda mentioned in passing towards the end is the OTS stores
Cause I do feel for them, they’re getting shafted by a lot of shit product they just can’t move, and if the games not profitable for them why should they care to run its events?
It’s never explicitly said, but at the few OTS stores I’ve been too, I always get this vibe that they really don’t want to host Yugioh events, and they just kinda do it cause they feel they have to/cause the community is there, because the locals are usually a decent showout and when there’s regionals, in my experience over the years, OTS stores always manage to sell out in advance and are packed to the brim on event day
@@Viseak We started seeing ongoing decline in players as the price to compete at that level goes up but the incentives to compete are still next to nothing. People are spending less to compete in Pokemon or Digimon or magic and incentivized by the prize support and the locals level is getting it the absolute worst. Now if you want to play at a locals the nearest store is a few towns over while anything like a regionals or higher is a minimum of a 4 hour drive away
@@Viseaksidenote heart of the cards was legit magic in the anime and manga it's poorly explained but whenever Yugi is in a bad situation his millennium puzzle increases the chance of him drawing one of the few cards in his deck that would get him out of the situation and keeps doing so untill he gets to a 100% chance of drawing the out with it being stronger the more danger he's in so he's not just top decking he's altering fate completely in his favor with his only loses being either him surrendering or someone else being able to break his focus and counteract the puzzle. If he were playing IRL he'd always top deck an out even if it's a one of because he is actively using essentially RNG manipulation
The question on how to fix the handtrap dilemma was already addressed by konami exactly one format before snake eyes. Handtraps werent nearly as good in the Unchained format because rescue ace, unchained, infernoble, purrely, mannadium, etc either didn't really care about running them, or didnt really care about facing them. Usually both. It was much more board breaker heavy.
Yeah making decks with better engines that have so much gas they can’t afford to/don’t need to run them is one way around the issue
Idk if it solves it though, but I would be keen to see more engine and less one card combos going forward 😅
@@Viseak they kinda tried it with vaal which is tailormade to break and discard useless board breaker going 2nd, konami will eventually get it right.
@@Viseak they think people will discard the spell and trap card over diabelestar effect since they all have their graveyard effect turns out people use it in heavy handtrap deck instead, the same as fiendsmith they think that it will helps other light fiend decks in the game like vaal or fabled but people use them as engine instead.
There's a specific yugituber who's whole brand is just "KONAMI bad" "Yugioh DEAD GAME" "Why *insert Yugioh content* is AWFUL" very obnoxious and dramatic negative clickbaits. Thanks for not being one of them. It's quite refreshing.
Yeah I’ve been seeing that trend quite a bit, which is part of what led me to make this video 😅
Cause like cmon let’s be real, the games far from dead
If you are talking about who I think you’re talking about, then yeah. Even their videos that have good points or are about interesting topics with no relation to the negatives of Konami are laced with “but remember konami bad” that any semblance of good gets spoiled
Yugioh has been a bad game since the synchro era
Constant power creep
Long summonimg chains
And many other issues
@@DragonBallsolosyourverse meanwhile, old school yugioh:
"Ok so in this set we're introducing a monster with 200 more atk than the previous best monster and then after that we're introducing a even better monster as well as a spell card that wipes out your opponent's whole backrow for free and another one that draws 3 and discards 2"
You realize most of the older cards
Dm era came from a manga right??
It's not like power creep was intended by takahashi when he wrote kaiba vs yugi
Ohh omg kazuki made la jinn for power creep on a card game which didt even have a physical release
And it had the same stat line in the manga
What komani does now, Is purposefully create new cards not from a manga
Ones they made up with broken effects
so yes completely intentional where alot of normal monsters were just imports from the manga not thinking much on meta relevance.
To be honest, the main reason i can still have fun in this game is because i play pet decks. Madolche and sky striker specifically. I dont need to buy new entire cores or anything, they play unique enough and have some way of combating new metas, and with madolche specifically i've played for so long that i can play in weird game states. I know i'm fortunate enough to get a lot of value with my favourite archetype, but i do think pet decks are the way to go for non meta players in order to have fun with the game and not break the bank.
Yeah I’m pretty much the same with Sky Strikers, and I’ll be the first to admit I’m the type of person that’s better at a deck, than I am at the actual game of Yugioh itself, simply cause I’ve been playing SS for so long.
It’s fun and does everything I want it to do, and no new control archetypes have really achieved that type of flexibility.
I am keen to try other decks at some point though (and I do play other decks but I always end up back to SS lol), I just would really like a new fun control deck to enter the format, and maybe one day we’ll get one 🥲
As a casual player who loves this game, I really like your video. I'm a rouge player at best who just likes building mid tier decks and have fun, I do play Master Duel and tried so many decks, meta and not, and learning them to keep up is just amazing.
I got into Yugioh during my early College days... DURING EARLY LINK ERA.
I knew nothing about the state of the game, it's history, what Link Monsters meant for the game at the time or what is even a format. All of rant of X-type of summon ruin the game.
I started with Cyber Dragons, and some of my friends at the time got into Yugioh too, casual duels, trying to learn how to counter each other decks, trying new techs and discover cards.
Later on, I tried Pendulums and completly love them until this day, I've tried a lot of different Decks and still adapting to this day because no other Card Game gives me same feeling when learning a new Yugioh Deck.
The game will eventually get better, and eventually feel like is 'dying' again.
The 15 handtraps per deck and the prices is surely and issue. Hope to see what await us, maybe a brighter format.
That’s quite the time to enter man, not so long after me
I played Cyber Dragons early on as well and it was good fun for sure.
Pendulum magicians before every end board being a bunch of generic Omni negates was something I really liked playing too, managing your resources and controlling the game state with Time/Star Pendulumgraph it was good fun.
But I agree with ya, I’m keen to see what’s on the other side of the 15+ hand trap 1 card combo meta 😅
I'm just sitting here playing Tellarknights until archeologists 1000 years from now dig up my remains and pry them from my skeleton
@@DarkJusticeMetal incredibly based
Yugioh isn't dying, but it does have a significant problem attracting new players. Konami has struggled to address this issue for a long time. One main reason is that, unlike Pokémon TCG or Magic, Yugioh doesn't use set rotation. This has its pros and cons, in my opinion, like decks will always be relevant at some point in time but there's a shit ton of interactions need to remember
@@divijnamdev2556 not having set rotation is one of Yugioh biggest points of difference and strengths, next to not having a mana system
But yeah, I agree the new player experience needs some work, and that two player structure deck they released not so long ago is NOT it 😭
@Viseak, I agree. The tutorial booklet that comes with the two player packs doesn't do a good job at explaining the game since the card game and the online game are two completely different beasts. There are so many interaction rules to remember when playing physically. 😢
@@ViseakI love this game so much, but I'd be lying if I said it was easy to get into. Unlike most people who play and enjoy the game, I didn't get into this game until master duel was already a year old. I bashed my head against a wall for weeks until it finally clicked. That shouldn't be how it is
I understand your point about losing better, HOWEVER going second into 2 omni negates off a one card starter on top of handtrap city makes modern yugioh feel like a coin flip for going first. It just is very frustrating. Almost to the point where if you dont open handtraps going second to interrupt, the game is just kinda decided at the roll 80-90% of games. 🤷♂️
@@itstaste to counterpoint that, most modern decks can play through two omni negates.
If you see yourself losing going 2nd 80-90% of the time, I FEEL like that’s a deck building problem. You might need to adjust the ratio of hand traps you’re using, maybe switch to a board breaker strategy, maybe if possible, try building your deck to go 2nd and play with that in mind so you’re less reliant on the coin flip.
There’s a lot you CAN control, even if there’s some stuff you can’t
Ironically the structure of the video is basically my experience as a returning ygo player as well
-gets back into game (MD), staying positive to learn and play new mechanics
-actually having fun, realising ygo is still a great game
-starts learning meta matchups, tweaking decks for personal playstyle and matchups
-new meta rolls around, new cards are expensive (URs everywhere), gotta re-learn matchups, starts sinking more time into it
-adult responsibilty hits, and you don't have the time, energy and money to keep up anymore
-falls back out of the game again :(
an unexpected video, but good one nonetheless! Though i will defend retro formats Forever! I actually think the opposite and modern ygo is fun for a game or two, but the multiple turns tug of war with traps and gorz as your only form of protection and cards almost always trading one for one is still the yugioh i desire for the most.
Hahaha it really is like that isn’t it, I didn’t express it in the video but I really think the love for the game comes in waves.
You’ll have formats or even multiple you love and a couple you might not like as much and just ebb and flow in and out of the game, but I don’t think that ever objectively makes the game bad, it just shows how varied and complex the game has become.
New banlists always tend to be a little spark that draw me back in as I love seeing how shit changes (if it’s a good banlist that is lol) but even in between I’ll still find myself casually playing cause Yugiohs just a fun TCG at the end of the day.
And hey if you love retro formats more power to you! There’s obviously still a place for them in the game and maybe someday Konami will officially support more of them in tournaments, but at best none of them have ever really held my interest and at worst, they’ve just kinda bored me.
I could see myself replaying a little of the later Nekroz format after Djinn is banned, and maybe even Zoo and TOSS, but even then idk how long I’d last till I got over it 😅
I think part of its cause I actually like the way the games gone and all the interaction points hand traps brought to the game, making every turn ‘our’ turn to an extent, so you can’t really clock out during turn 1 if you’re going 2nd like in older formats where you literally couldn’t do anything till your opponent was done
@@Viseak thank you for taking time out and writing a essay for me man! I hope I didn't come off too negative about the retro format part😅 i think toss was fun too as a fellow striker player! And I might be one of the few masochists that actually loved playing the striker mirror match😅
@@RedWeeb4926 It's cool man, it's the least I can do when you watched a video of me yapping for nearly an hour lmao
I agree though, the Striker mirror is fun as fuck and there are so many cool interactions you can do when stealing each others Raye's and Kagari's etc, my first match at YCS Sydney this year was a Striker mirror and it was unexpected, but 3 great games none the less 😅
You can also see how bad things get without hand traps when you open none
@@Hart_traH also true, especially against something as oppressive as Snake Eye
But I guess that’s why people are playing 15+ hand traps this format, gotta open something for that matchup
This video was awesome! I started playing Yu-Gi-Oh just as pendulums got introduced, and I also play the game in waves. For me, Yu-Gi-Oh is not defined by a specific format, but by the gigantic card pool I'm obsessed with. I love drafting random custom formats, or proxying old meta to play a few games with. Oh, and modern is fun too... some months of the year. But yeah, there's nothing else like Yu-Gi-Oh. I wouldn't recommend it to my non-yugioh-playing-friends, but it's SOOOO cool once you're into it... idk
"I love watching my opponent play for 20 minutes while all I can do is watch. That's good design, actually." -Viseak
@@laserwolf65 brother if that’s how every game is going for you, you needa change something about your deck building
I love this game. I've been playing it since forever ago. Post pandemic has been some of my favorite times in this game. I know plenty of the shade that Konami gets is justified. But people don't really know what they want from this game and never seem to be happy no matter what is happening. Now, I think most of this is the negative pool is social media. And in person, it's nowhere as bad as folks are making it out to be.
Yeah I don’t really see the outrage or disdain for the game in person at all, but I guess that’s somewhat biased, those salty with the game likely won’t be at events to begin with
But you’re right as well, a lot of people really don’t know what they want, and when they get what they want, well you end up with a format like MBT’s video I mentioned lol
@Viseak Ultimately, I think the game is fine. It could be better, yes, as in every card game, but it's not the end of the world. Thanks for the video and for talking to me.
@@jtalkalot19 for sure, it could always be better, and hopefully we’ll see it improve in the future!
And no worries at all, thanks for watching 🫶🏼
This.
19:30 no, Blue Eyes wasn't a game ender, it wasn't a negate, it was also a great risk since you had to tribute two monsters for it. Would you rather have two La Jinns or a Blue eyes, which then gets trap holed instantly? Oh you attacked a man eater bug with your Blue Eyes? To the graveyard with it! Blue Eyes on average would only last the turn it was summoned on
This is just a giant lie constructed to defend the cancers of modern ygo, yugiboomers arent the boogeyman you make them out to be
Wow, I forgot that people still have fun with yugioh, I thought I was the only one left
Here's the secret to old pet deck: you can play them whenever you want in any game. It's perfectly fine to play an unsanctioned game.
Yugioh having it be part of the official tournament format is like having a "gluten free" label on eggs. It's not actually different, but people like pointing too it.
You can even play em in the sanctioned game! They just won’t be very good lol
And hey, you could even cheese a couple games cause some people have no idea what the older cards do
@@Viseak If all they want is a cheesey win, why not just give them a bunch of floodgaes instead?
If you want to help people get out of the past, telling them they can play their 2010 is the last thing you want to do.
@@randommaster06hey man sometimes you just pull out the old runick stun when you had a bad day
@@randommaster06 thats why i want a year where every archtype gets 2 more cards to beef them up
I just started playing again a few months ago after a 10 year hiatus. I can tell you that the game is still fun. Having said that, the power of the decks should go down a bit. Powercreep can't last forever. I recently played swordsoul on master duel and it felt powerful but not opressive like something like snake eyes. I think Konami should aim for that.
Yeah I’ve seen the sentiment of things being more in line with what swordsoul does a couple of times and I tend to agree
Snake Eye and it’s endless starters / one card combos is just, a little too much advantage I feel like, and has resulted in the 15+ main deck hand trap meta
Most people agree swoso, unchained, salmangreat and Tri brigade are the levels that are fun for decks.
They never feel oppressive and in most cases have tried to do different stuff with mechanics instead of power up
@@GG_Nowa unchained is also great.
Tbf the only reason why it's so bad right now is because of snake eye and fiendsmith. If those wouldn't exist we would have a really good and diversive format...
Rare to see people liking current format when everyone wanting older format. I also didn't like time-wizard format not bc simplicity but there's no my favorite deck during that time.
Yeah that’s also a huge thing, when your favourite decks/play styles are more modern, older formats will inherently feel worse
For me, there’s no old deck that really does the search, consistency, and utility thing that Sky Strikers does (outside of Nekroz being super super close)
For me i find Modern yugioh casually is amazing, however competive yugioh is just suffocating
Some of your takes on old yugioh really give the impression that you don't understand it at all. Particularly the Blue Eyes example. From the very beginning of the game there is an abundance of removal. A blue eyes typically does not live long. It might get trap hole'd the moment you summon it. Or you attack a set man eater bug. Or you pass to your opponent and they activate fissure, raigeki, dark hole, tribute to the doomed, or any other removal. There are SO MANY ways a blue eyes can die, that is why it has never even been considered a good card (outside of very early OCG before tribute summoning was invented, which is not what anyone is talking about when they talk about enjoying old yugioh)
If you cannot out your opponent's blue eyes it is because the game has gone on long enough that your resources have dwindled. You start with 6 cards if you count the first draw, but over the course of the game you use those cards up and will eventually have only 1 or 2 or maybe 0 cards left in hand. The goal is to play more efficiently than your opponent.
If you go back and forth with your opponent until you are out of cards, and then your opponent summons a blue eyes that you now can't out, chances are you had an actual interactive game up until that point and the blue eyes is just the "finishing move". It's not comparable to stuff like mystic mine at all, which is what I felt you were eluding to.
This comment literally sounds like the modern game.
If you can’t out a card you didn’t run a solution to it.
You lose if you run out of resources. It’s all the same
@@megaspacewaffles Modern yugioh requires your out to be in your opening hand. Its not a matter of running outs, its a matter of happening to draw the correct outs in your opening hand.
@@josephcourtright8071 what no? Thats why the extra deck exists. Why do you think people run Zeus??
you made the common modern argument of "why are you complaining about X, there's so many outs"
@@TheGamestars Lol no. The difference is games were slower so you could actually pull outs since most cards were proactive trades that actually interacted with the board, not reactive handtraps you could drop to exploit chokepoints. Blue eyes is a horrible example. Jinzo was more opressive and had common outs, a 1900 beater was more threatening because of low investment. If you could drop a BE you were already winning
Insanely based video. Something that I really love about modern yugioh is how complex certain gamestates are, the feeling of breaking a board because of a really well timed interruption, and managing to navigate through difficult states by properly baiting the opponent.
The best part is that both players always have access to that. Just this feeling of thinking you are about to win only for the opponent to suddenly reveal an interruption they could've used earlier is so cool, because they've read you like a book.
Being able to appreciate that your opponent can be really skillful is important for any competitive game.
@@NytoDork couldn’t agree more and that’s really reflective of my playstyle too, I love control decks, so I love breaking board and simplying games states and going back and forth.
It’s almost like pulling apart one of those crazy puzzle things with the locks and stuff hahaha
I didnt say "yugioh" isnt fun to play anymore i said playing against snake eyes for the 10 000th time in 6 months isnt fun
@@megamaniak27 I am also very much over playing against snake eye, and aren’t really looking forward to fiend smith lmfao
Banlist when
@@Viseak Well late august according to what konami said in they twitter, feels like a sorry twitte like "we know guy pls be patient until there" lol
I'd agree with you if Konami didn't constantly rarity bump cards in the TCG making getting a certain card if you want it a nightmare.
@@PIE50100 yeah, I don’t really love the TCG’s printing practices
It gets a little out of hand, no card should be anywhere near $100 imo, let alone far above it
Not to mention the master duel bump where cards like Gnomaterial clog precious ultra rare slots in the selection packs and archetypes like Kashtira are released in waves so that the entire deck can be UR.
I mean, the pricing does not look like it's getting better. Fiendsmith is going to be an engine you'll want to play in almost every deck, including snake eyes, and they're high rarity. So your $1000 dollar deck is now going to have to be a $1600-$1800 deck.
I love YuGiOh too, but with how hard it is to get new players to even UNDERSTAND the game enough to have a basic understanding of what's going on, and then telling them that they're going to have to drop 2 grand on a deck if they want to compete because we're in constant tier 0 formats it's a rough ask compared to other TCGs 😅
Snakeeye was never a 1000€ Deck. That Number is very artificially inflated. (If you got the deck before people realized it was gonna be good not just as a engine to get to Hydrant on AGOV Release it was 150€). Even more now so Wanted is 20€ and Bonfire 25€ rest is pennies.
I will say Fiendsmith gonna wreck shit. That thing gonna be heckin expensive
@@XLuxtra those cards have dropped from 100 peak because banlist fears.
Both of which where mandatory 3ofs
Witch herself was 45 and a 3 of
Poplar was 25 and 2 of
Then there's other 1ofs like flamberge was 15, raging phoenix is still 35, Promethean princess is 20
That's 850 before consider s:p is 100 and if they play the fenrirs that's another 45 it's cutting close at its peak to 1000 for the deck
@@GG_Nowa witch never got to 45. Atleast in Europe. 30 was maximum. Generally you could pick her up for 20 during Snake hightime. With Bonfire and Wanted at 70.
Wanted only was at 100 during the time they used it to special Hydrant and dropped before Poplar even came out. During late february/ earlyMarch you could pick the entire Deck up for roughly 500 including SP, Phoenix and Princess.
If you had been an early bird and got shit durin AGOV you could have had Core for 150 nd 60€ SP. Even of you add the presale price of Bonfire at its max 80 thats still around 450€.
Yeah the Fiendsmith rarity reveal was, well, rough.
Its definitely not gonna be cheap.
But the thing is, you don’t need to play it to compete. It’ll likely be the best deck paired with Snake Eyes and just overall be stupidly oppressive, but, you don’t NEED to play it.
You can get someone into the TCG with any deck really, even something like Tenpai which is cheap as chips
Even other decks like Ritual Beasts are seeing tops at the moment which aren’t too crazy in price (I think lol, I’m seeing ‘cores’ for like $100 but idk if they’re missing key cards in the deck I’m unaware of)
Imagine explaining to an 8 year old, the concept of tributing your opponents monsters to GY 😂
I really enjoyed this video. Its what we need this is stuff wary tcg players need, but also id love some acknowledgement of Rush Duels. It may not be the tcg players prize, but it certainly feels like a good midway tool and also just a cool game on its own.
Also having played a ton of card games, id say the closest that ever gets to Yugioh is Battle Spirits. They have a resource, but the way its implemented frees up so much design space compared to say Magic or even Pokémon. Id say its my second favorite game and anime next to Yugioh, both master and rush
As someone to whom Striker is very near and dear to my heart, I too have grappled forever with just cutting Shark Cannon, and relegating it to the side deck. Thing is, it, much like Afterburners is one of those you don't love seeing in your opening 6 (going 2nd ofc), but once you've got everything rolling it's just so useful
@@ak47dragunov right??
Shark Cannon is just one of those cards that can be so good, but does nothing to really improve the game state that much especially going 2nd.
One card I can’t seem to let go of though is Jamming Waves, a searchable non-targeting removal is such a nice to have in your toolbox
I love how you used music from the 5Ds DS game at the beginning
I started playing around the Orcust era and since then I been in love with the game
I'd just found your channel and your content has everything I love as an hobby. I also experienced the same Yugioh you did. Duel Links got me into modern TCG and I'd never looked back
Haha how about that, I dabble in so many different bloody hobbies and it’s great to see I’m not the only one 😅
Your criticism of Edison misses the point. Edison is a completely different game to modern. No one playing modern format can even scratch the surface of the amount of games someone can play of Edison, which causes its own skill gap akin to chess. The two also reward players in completely different ways.
Edison isn't "Better" than modern. It has its own pros and cons. But reducing it to just "Nostalgia trippers" completely misses the beauty and complexity of the format.
@@blackrosed8068 Just wanna put it out there, there’s nothing wrong with Edison, it has its place, it deserves to exist and people like it, that’s cool
I just don’t like it haha
I think my main point of frustration comes from the card pool.
The majority of my play time in this game was 2017 and onwards. So I’m accustom to hand traps and that form of interaction, and I genuinely like it, that’s what I want from the game.
So, in that vein, when it comes to formats like Edison, I kinda hate sitting there going 2nd while my opponent just plays forever (cause synchro combos tend to take forever, even in Edison if they pop off enough with Dandylion dear lord) while I am forced to sit there and do nothing, cause, well, I can’t do anything. Hand traps don’t REALLY exist, and there aren’t any solid board breakers either.
It’s ironic, cause that’s how a lot of people seem to see the modern game, and is part of the reason I disagree with that take so much, because it’s the modern game that HAS the interaction, and the older formats like Edison, where you watch your opponent play with themselves, not the other way around.
Back then whoever was going 1st had a majority of the interaction, even going into turn 2 because they had the opportunity to set traps as well as make their plays. (Which funnily enough is the equivalent of the complaint about how in modern,
people can just build a board AND have hand traps to stop you going 2nd, but brother it’s the SAME THING except hand traps are better because they give YOU the player going 2nd an opportunity to interact on the first turn, where traditional traps never could.)
In my view, hand traps levelled that playing field and allowed for the entire game to be interactive, rather than just every turn past turn 1 having interaction, which is a net positive and something older formats unfortunately lack.
In 2024, a piece of interaction is almost always glued to my hand, whether that be ash, imperm, nib, ogre, belle, mourner, droll etc, there is always something I can do and actively think about turn 1 if I’m going 2nd, rather than just turning my brain off and watching my opponent pop off. If my opponent still happens to pop off cause decks have gotten to the point of playing through hand traps, especially if they aren’t well placed, board breakers exist in abundance too, evenly, lightning storm, DRNM, raigeki etc
The game now is more complex and interactive than ever and it’s what I love about it, plus, I don’t really have a single deck I enjoy playing pre Nekroz, so that doesn’t help either.
If your favourite pet deck is in Edison then I get it, maybe you just wanna play it at full power and hell, there’s probably a huge nostalgia factor there too, I can’t knock that you do you, and I also can’t sit here and say there aren’t complex interactions in formats like Edison either, you’re 100% right, it’s not like it’s completely cookie cutter and there would be a certain skill gap playing in a format like that.
But for me, there’s just not a single thing about it that draws me to it 😅
Edison is a lot like old Duel Links. I like both modern and Edison.
why did youtube take two months to recommend this video to me?
You reflect my experience coming back to yugioh near perfectly, and you have put my joy with the game right now into words better than i ever can.
Because of Bumbles McFumbles on june this year, I picked up the world championship ds games again and got into a rabbit hole from there.
i love how batshit the game now is. I do not miss GOAT. I barely even knew about Edison.
I have enough experience to understand the gripes people have now, and the initial hype has definitely fallen off... but I can't bring myself to hate this game just yet.
This was a damn well explained video. I agree with a majority of your points and it sounds like we started playing at around the same time though I started during the duelist alliance era with paper Yugioh. One thing I’ve learned from playing this game over the years is how to lose.😂 Literally I’ve been playing this game longer than my cousin who I brought into the game about almost a year ago now and he’s clapping me with his melodious or locking me with magistus. Is it frustrating yes, especially when I’ve just lost to him last weekend , but was still hella fun. As not only did I successfully bring someone new into the game (ironically family), but I was able to have fun with it even when losing. This game also brought me to meet many people and establish strong friendships and there is nothing out there really like Yugioh. Now I’m not a strong competitive player but still enjoy the challenge the modern format brings but I will take dueling against snake-eye than say a card like MasterPiece. Plus the plethora of decks, archetypes and cards even yet to be released gets my creativity going a lot more than other hobby. Except maybe Dragon ball as after losing or wining a match punching Broly feels cathartic. 😂
Thanks man!
And yeah seriously learning to lose is probably one of the biggest things a lot of people need to do better. Like I said in the video it’s a two player game, someone’s always gonna win and for one person to win, the others gotta lose. So just embrace that possibility and try to do better.
Awesome to hear you managed to get your cousin into the game too, it’s a hard feat to get anyone into Yugioh so props for managing that.
But yeah seriously the amount of creativity you can have with the near endless card pool or Yugioh is unreal, and it just keeps getting bigger and wilder
For me the biggest problem with modern YGO is the negate problem.
YGO have so many different types of interruption and interaction that plays into each other. Destroyed fire king summons another fire king, banished thunder dragon summons another thunder dragon, banish a card that can't be destroyed, non target a card that can't be targeted, flip face down cards, send to gy, take control of enemy's card, equip enemy's monster, send monster to backrow, return card back to the hand/deck, tribute a card that can't be effected by anything, suck a card into xyz material.
There's a lot of fun ways of interaction in this card game but the best of them is to say "NO"??. So instead of playing this back and forth slugfest of a game of wit we gotta deal with: "ain't nobody play any card game today but me" negate board.
Hand trap problem also originate from this. Like, the only competitively viable hand traps that doesn't negate is maxxx c, ghost ogre, and dogwood. Everything else? NEGATE ! or some other type of saying NO (shifter, droll). Maxxx C is its own set of problem, but Hand trap problem IS negate problem. You board might not have any negate, but if you have 4 card in hand that can negates, then its still a negate board.
Heck, the entire way Yugi won his first match against Kaiba was by drawing the one card that made the rest of his hand not awful. And the series continued that trend right up to today.
Thanks for this video, was needing to hear some positivity today :)
Anytime 🫶🏼🫡
I think **modern ygo can be so much fun if every deck is a sort of midrange decks** like Branded, Sky striker or Swordsoul deck that have a short combo and let both opponents play the game with a decent amount of interactions.
**The best yugioh gameplay I've ever seen was in March 2023 MCS finals** where 2 Branded Despia player fight each other in 10+ turns back an forth duel , better player wins through better understanding, strategy, skill and a bit of luck.
That's what yugioh is all about, not locking out your opponent turn one and calling it a day. I hate those 10 min. "competitive" videos where no one can do anything against their opponent's boards and it simply comes down to rock, paper, scissors.
Fuck floodgates, fuck FTKs, fuck combo deck and fuck just draw the out™ endboards, they're all against the spirit of playing a game. A couple back/forth duel of non-game-ending interruptions with some follow-up is where it's at.
@@thaariqbinaziz2821 I agree for the most part, and in an ideal world, I think a format with a good amount of both variety AND skill expression is the perfect storm
Like sometimes we get one or the other, like how Tearlaments was a great format for skill expression, but not really experimentation or creative deck building, it was just up to who was the better player, at Tear lol
Which can be cool for a short time and I get why people like formats with more skill expression, but I reckon it also gets kinda stale relatively quickly, unless of course that insanely good deck happens to be one you really fuck with
Damn is that the yugioh ds games soundtrack I heard??
Damn straight we got:
GX Spirit Caller
WC 2009
WC 2010
And Duelists of the Rose
I started yugioh back in 2014 during HAT format and I honestly I miss the grind games we had. I miss when trap cards actually mattered. I truly hope we get more decks that aren't focused on blowing up turn one and steamrolling the opponent. I'm planning to rebuild my Altergeist deck at some point along with Earth Machine to cater to that experience I love. It won't ever win a game at locals, but it'll be more fun than playing competitive in its current state
I got into yugioh in one of its worst formats according to many (covid era adventure tenyi, drytron, branded, eldlich) and I managed to get interested to the point it's almost my main hobby. Theres just something about modern yugioh, even in the bad formats. It's the closest a card game has come to a fighting game to me and it's fucking art. Handtraps feel like neutral, getting your combo off through their interactions feels like a launcher, and going second feels like trying to get through a wake up mix (sometimes you just have dark ruler as a invincible dp reversal)
I dont know what else to describe it as other than art. Stun is a crayon drawing but you get the idea.
Btw I play Vanquish Soul
I may be a fan of fighting games lol
Yeah damn that is a rough time to get in, especially when you just simply can’t play in person.
I see the comparison to fighting games a lot, but this is the first time I’ve read a comment and actually kinda understood it haha, I don’t really play fighting games so the analogy usually goes straight over my head.
But it really is an art in and of itself, there’s so much interaction and back and forth it’s fun as fuck, idk how anyone prefers the absolute stalemate that was old Yugioh
@@Viseak I'm actually a fan of Edison and HAT (but not goat) for it's own merit, but I think modern limited might be my favourite format. Cubes, drafts, the new game Dungeon Duel Monsters, etc, are all SO fun
@@d0ttxtI agree 100% and I really wish I had an opportunity to play HAT since I really like Edison but then there's cards like Vanity that exists.
The issue with losing in Yu-Gi-Oh is that most losses feel like they aren't all that helpful. There was nothing you could have done better, there's nothing to learn, you just got shifter'd, or choked with hand traps, or what have you.
For sure man, sometimes cards like shifter happen that cripple your whole deck, but 9/10 times there is something different you could’ve done and improved upon.
Whether that be gameplay wise or deck building wise before a game ever even starts, but a lot of players will brush the majority of losses off to sacky cards or bullshit when it’s not true, and if a fuckin casual like me can see that I mean, cmon
@@Viseakno offense but you playing a few hours a few times a year is completely different than those competing.
@@masterflamewing234 oh 100%, but that’s only now, I get how it is to play the modern game though as I did have a period where I’d go to locals every week, regionals multiple times a year and obviously just the one YCS here in Australia still lol
I still play a good amount of master duel these days though and keep up with the meta best I can
Yugioh is just a great toolboxy game for people who want to learn crazy combos not too unlike a fighting game. If you are someone who enjoys spending time in the lab learning wild combos in a fighting game I think yugioh is right up your alley.
Fighting games work because said combos can be reacted too quickly by blocking,parrying or whatever
Yugioh is a turn based game meaning that quick reaction time gameplay dont translate well into a card game
@@DragonBallsolosyourverse
Hand traps, backrow, your own monster effects on board, even spent backrow or monsters in Grave can have effects.
There's plenty means to punish people in a proactive and reactive sense and alot of learning this comes from skill.
That skill starts at fundamental deck building. It's why people routinely have broken goat format so much because the base level of skill has risen as people have learned from years of jamming it or from jamming modern
@GG_Nowa Dissgree deck building isn't really a skill used outside of a pro setting because you can just look up a meta deck and build that.
You don't need to be good at deck building.
Unlike a fighting game there's no luck involved.
I can't brick in a fighting game.
People breaking goat format isn't as impressive as it sounds considering people broke goat format back in the day it's not a case of the skill level being higher but of there being a bigger community and easier to share and access knowledge.
Wheres the skill in a tier 0 format where duel get decided by if you have the money to buy into that format?
Card games don't translate to fighting games yugioh especially does not.
If you could do a combo in a fighting game that turns off your opponents controller at the start of the match maybe but the comparisons don't work.
All that interaction is largely meaningless.
Trap cards are too slow to interact a lot of the time
Hand traps themselves are a problem in that they dominate the game too much.
Not playing a deck that can play through more than 1 hand trap you lose
Didn't draw the out you lose.
There's no equivalent to did you draw the out in fighting games which again to me shows why its a bad comparison.
Fighting games are about skill reacting, how well you can think under pressure, and always have points of interaction.
Even defense is interactive.
Card games have luck baked in yugioh has many decks and cards that simply don't allow for any points of interaction and these typically end up being very meta and used by everyone.
Fighting games do not translate to card games and vice versa outside of being competitive and 1v1
That's reliant on you drawing you drawing into the hand trap
How many you really running in a 40 card deck? 5 10 maybe
Even 10 could cause bricking since they dont aid your deck in anyway
If you draw 3,4 you might not be able to combo
Deck building aint skill based
Even if it was
Its not currently afterall most net deck
Personal thought: Hand traps and one card starters should co relate
By that, I mean if we're going to have them, there should be a relationship between them.
Not like ash blossom to say drytron thuban. Hand trap effects should be beneficial to the user more than harmful to the receiver. You should want them because responding helps you advance your board state but comes with the risk of needing to respond appropriately
Megalith Och is one of my favorite examples of this concept: a significantly weaker version of something like verte anaconda, but the upside is it becomes what you make of it since it fills 2/3rds the summoning conditions for ritual monsters and you just need one extra.
This example is because how i use it is to *convert* shinobaron peacock into a pseudo hand trap: I summon in response to my opponent doing things i dont want and the setup is the risk to use that hand trap, with the benefit being a loopable, timeable, hard to stop effect unless you break the summon itself.
@@yugijak that’s an interesting way to look at it, but I do wonder if it’d be too convoluted if it was something generic more decks could do (like slotting in basic negate hand traps)
I’d have to actually see it printed and play with it to know for sure though, and even then, I’m not expert lol
@Viseak Yeah
It's less I meant it for generic and more I think hand traps should have requirements you need to meet or that they should be something you create instead of printed outright
As a long-time player who has seen a lot of ygo doomposting over the years, this was very refreshing to watch. I’ve always told friends who would “quit” that they’d be back soon and sure enough they would. There just isn’t anything like this game. I hope to keep playing advanced format as I have been the last 12 years.
Thank you for sharing.
No worries and yeah, that’s typically how it goes.
You ‘quit’, try to find something else that fills that void, nothing else really does, and you’re back to the best card game on offer.
In general I think it’s pretty healthy to take breaks here and there though especially if you’re burnt out, but you’ll always come back to Yugioh
I actually fully agree with you! The format is actually quite diverse as long as they hit the Snake Eye deck which means that the other decks are actually quite balanced.
Snake eye is just a radically changed up mess that feels as if they don't understand the decks people enjoyed are like not what snake eye is at all despise some of the decks being combo decks.
Yeah honestly without Snake Eye, there is so much new stuff that could be fun as fuck to play
It’s just a shame Snake Eye completely overshadows all of it
i've been doing the BEWD is a floodgate bit since 2020, it's not a stretch, it's fr fr on god
Am actually questioning if you’re a YuGiOh player… like such a positive outlook video can’t possibly come out of that space. 💀
@@k-dawgHI I mean I am casual af, but not like yugiboomer casual, like I can only be bothered to go to the 1 YCS held in Australia a year and maybe play a regional here and there
Oh and you know, a good bit of master duel every other day if I’ve got the time
Your reaction speaks volumes to how bad the game is. If the players are so dissatisfied to such a degree, maybe the game isn’t all that great to begin with. Even Sonic fans aren’t THIS bitter towards their favourite franchise. Hell, even Pokémon fans aren’t this bitter towards their favourite franchise and they’re the guys that complained about N64 trees.
@@Hynotama No it doesn't, you can probably say it speaks to how flawed it is or how it could improve but there's clearly people who appreciate the game. A lot of the complaints especially since MD got released is from older players saying the games too crazy but those older players don't contribute much as people who actually play the game; plus it's not a media giant like Pokemon which profits from things besides games. Like you said players complain about things as irrelevant as assets so I'm pretty sure it's not too far-fetched to say people can do that for different games.
@@txkyoaes5743 why would older players contribute to the game, since they are obviously ignored in favour of the 🐳?
@@Hynotama for the same reason older players contribute to a game that removes years of content to cater to them, they don’t. Most older players played as kids or played casually so why would you listen to them instead of people who actively play your game. All because a game could improve doesn’t mean it’s bad.
I love this positivity. Theres so much meme negativity around yugioh, that we need to hear the voices and oppinions of people who love it! Thank you for this.
@@briannitzschke2767 no worries! I reckon I’ve got a decent perspective too, being a filthy casual and all lol
The only difference between niw and back then is they have give us more cards to search pur outs and interaction. They’ve actually given us more ways and chances to make it to that miracle top deck that changes the game.
As someone who just made the decision to get back into this game (there is a YCS near me in February that I really want to attend), this video found me at the PERFECT time, so thank you.
@@level3xfactor love to hear it, probably a whole different format by February which will be sweet, so have fun!
The video was so great!! I probably agree with everything you said in the video. It's such an interesting and complex card game that's so much fun, and the complexity makes it so exciting. Something in it makes my monkey neurons activate. Locals give me anxiety but the rate of nice people is much higher than of the dumb annoying ones, which is always nice. Also I'll probably never play at a championship level, but those large events really need to get fixed from the ground up.
Yeah the complexity is what makes it for sure!
I reckon you should try a bigger event at least once (if there’s one close enough by that is), they might be mismanaged sometimes but if you’ve got the time to spare, they can be super fun.
It’s only once a year but I enjoy going to the Aussie YCS each and every time
I only play master duel because I don’t like to spend money, I’ve been playing thunder dragon bystial. This video has given me inspiration to keep grinding and maybe build a deck and go to locals. I got in the game in 2009 and left when wind up hunter hand looped me and got back in in 2023. Thanks man.
You're absolutely right! Although the game has its flaws in the form of annoying meta and ban lists that don't always hit what they should, Yugioh is a fun game where we can relive our childhood dreams of dueling with our friends and against strong opponents. One of the good things about having multiple formats is that if you don't like the ban lists and way things are done in one format, you can just go play on another one per your preference.
it's not dead, but it certainly isn't fun either.
The prizing support is horrible because Kazuki Takashi said so. Why don't we ask him for his opinion now? Oh wait, he's fuckin' dead.
Get real, Konami, we have things to do, people to pay, stop giving out trash prizing.
I started playing Yugioh with Legacy of the Duelist LE last year, and I specifically remember finishing the tutorial on Pendulums and thinking "this is the most rad shit ever devised by mankind, how do people not like these"
@@mickjaegar2379 yeah seriously I think the pendulum mechanic is fun as fuck, my only ‘issue’ with it was that every pendulum board ended on the same thing in modern, just you know, do everything you can to end on Savage, Barron, Apo, Vortex, basically as many omni negates as possible so every deck just worked to the same end board which I thought was kinda boring.
I think more control / recursion based pendulum strategies are way more fun, like basic pendulum magicians with all their recursion and ending on cards like time / star pendulum graph
If you’re still kinda dipping your feet in the game i might just be yapping and you might have no clue what I’m on about, but TLDR yes pendulum is cool as fuck
Fun video, on the real.
YuGiOh not rotating out sets like MTG does for Standard Format or Pokemon genuinely allows for rogue decks and dummies like me who still come up to locals with Dangers or Machina Karakuri, on top of having had good reprint sets since Dark Beginning 1 in 2004, has been a blessing I don't think most YuGiOh players realize other TCGs don't have. I was around when Magic lied to the players faces on reprinting Fetch Lands for Modern Horizons 2 among other controversies. I do agree the Secret Rare and UR practices for archetypes they know will be meta is a bit scummy, but yearly MegaTins and other reprint sets help that for budget players. But I come back to YuGiOh on the regular, and love seeing the game evolve and stupid stuff get pushed in hopes I can Super Poly it away or some other cheeky move.
I love this game and franchise whole-heartedly, and would love to see it keep going. There's definitely stuff Konami should fix, so here's hoping.
Not watching a 40 minute video to disagree with a hot take.
Yugitubers aren't being dramatic. We have been in consecutive tier 0 formats essentially since covid started. Back in the time of spellbooks, nekroz, and dragon rulers it was bad but those events happened 2-3 years apart from each other on average, with the time in between generally being diverse and games not ending on average before turn 4. Now, it will be 4 tier 0 formats within 2 years with the release of fiendsmith. Compliment that with the adding of MORE handtraps, MORE one-card combos, and MORE infinite recursion, and Yugioh is hardly even a card game anymore. The barrier to entry is massive and they are no longer gaining new players, and the shareholders know this and are pisses about it. This is ignoring how the TCG is fleecing the western playerbase with rarity bumped format staples and engine pieces.
Shops are no longer supporting it, people are switching to Lorcana and One Piece, or even pokemon, and players aren't picking up the game anymore. ignoring all of this is plain ignorant.
Facts
Zoo format was good and I die on that hill. The only reason why people dissliked it was the huge prices of the decks.
Not all YugiBoomers hate the modern game: been playing since 2002 and I've never had more fun than the past year.
I've started in Tear 0. The game is still fun, though can get stale as a homebrewer.
It can be like that sometimes, taking breaks can help with that a bit though
I agree with you with everything, we need to learn how to loose, playing the 3 rounds gives you best feelings at the end IMO. Hand traps are not the problem, at this moment we have 2-4 decks can have 15 hand traps or more, it should be least IMO, but again, this is the way to deal with insane combos. The real problem to me, is the price, is hiking too much, so not everyone can play it in a competitive way or better.
I recently got back into Yu-Gi-Oh via Duel Links. I haven't bought cards since before GX was a thing, and I haven't watched any anime after GX.
I still have no idea how synchro, pendulum, or link summoning works. XYZ summoning isn't that hard to figure out, but anything else I really don't care to learn.
I'd rather buy an old DS era GX game, but in the mean time Duel Links will suffice.
I had one of the GBA games (Worldwide Edition: Stairway to the Destined Duel) that I started playing again earlier this year, but after a couple of weeks playing it, somehow the game got corrupted. The save file was erased and it refused to save anything anymore. It's acting like a GB/GBC cart where the internal battery died on, but there was no battery. I also have an older GBA game (Eternal Duelist Soul) that had a battery, but not Worldwide Edition.
@@cardsfanbj the old DS games were pretty fun, like I was saying I played the hell out of GX Spirit Caller back in the day.
Hell even duel links is pretty fun, and it’s decently caught up with modern Yugioh as far as I’m aware, just still a simplified format by comparison.
XYZ is easy and honestly links are even easier to understand after playing with em for a game or two. Same with synchros, the hardest is probably pendulum but even that isn’t so bad after a little while.
It just depends if you like complexity in your card games though, cause honestly it becomes so much fun once you understand how everything works, but if you don’t care for it that’s chill too
Synchro is easy to figure out
Get out of here with your reasonable takes and good opinions! You either hate that Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't like how you (badly) played on the playground or are one of those brainless ADHD zoomer kids who take 5 hours to play their turn to set up 90 negates with their copy pasted net decked from 5 years ago who doesn't see that Yu-Gi-Oh! is dying for the 5 millionth time!
But seriously it's refreshing to see someone who played, took a long break and come back see how much the game has evolved for the better during that time. Is it flawless? No, but nothing ever is. No game lives for as long as YGO does without having it's bad times.
I like to think of YGO as the Dark Souls of TCGs. If you like to get brutally massacred by FTKs until you figure out how to play, then this game is for you
I mean, FTK’s aren’t really prevalent lol
But yeah in a way, it kinda is like Dark Souls, you just gotta get good
I'm a relatively new player as well. I played it a bit as a child but dropped it as it was hard to find other players where I live. I only really started playing when Master Duel came out. I watched enough yugitube to understand how the game works and, altho it was hard, after a while I got better at the game. I don't think anything beats that feeling of watching your opponent build an opposing board, only to slowly break it apart during your turn and land the killing blow that same turn. My pet deck is Fluffal, I have no right doing that to these meta decks. And every time there's a new meta deck, I try to get a win like that. They may have better win ratios against me, and I know Fluffal won't be playable forever, but that only made my few wins mean so much more to me. It's just so rewarding to stick with a game, stick with a deck, and somehow make it work against seemingly unsurmountable odds. I do want to try other card games, but I don't think any other card game would give me that feeling the same way modern Yu-Gi-Oh does.
@@mintagenart yeah I get where you’re coming from and I’m the same with Sky Striker.
Don’t get me wrong I’ll try and play new decks cause I’m always keen to see what new play styles come out and play something a little more meta relevant, but I’ll always come back to Sky Striker to have some fun and break some boards
@@Viseak Blind second Sky Striker is so cool! I also try playing the meta decks and find fun with those as well. And it helps learning how to beat them when you yourself have played them and know the in and outs.
the lack of konami not competing with other card games such as one piece or lorcana will kill the game
@@hexolomgaming9498 I’d agree, but the glaring issue is that I don’t think Konami feels they need to compete
Cause they know people are gonna always come back to Yugioh cause there’s nothing else on the market like it.
Not to say other TCG’s are bad cause that’s simply untrue, but as a Yugioh player who’s tried a bunch of other TCG’s, literally nothing out there scratches that Yugioh itch, and Konami knows it.
I DO think they need to improve their products though, so that OTS stores don’t get shafted and actually have a good reason to stock the product and not drop it entirely like some stores do, cause without the OTS stores supporting it well, there is no TCG
@@Viseak I do agree to a extent that people eventually come back your 100% but there in lies a problem because konami hasn't been held to a standard to be push on quality products.
And I do also agree there is a itch for yugioh. But then we have to ask ourselves when are we gonna keep itching the infection on. I can get staples for another card game for less then 3 dollars, I will acknowledge konami has been trying to make more reprints, however there hasn't been enough
Honestly a good take on a video I'm tired of people telling me one card or another is killing the game or that Yu-Gi-Oh is dead because a new card is coming out it's very exhausting LOL
I really did love this so much. Everyone is always talking about how the game is being ruined, but as someone who was absorbed in yugioh for my whole life, I think it’s better now than ever. I love seeing someone else really explain a lot of the things I think make it better now
its so fun, that beginners need coaching and a group of people to teach them all the fun stuff they have.
This is also what I tend to say.
I just started plyaing ygo md 1 year ago and the paper version half a year ago. I do love the conplexity, because it challenges me :)
to me the best part about Yu-Gi-Oh is the one card combo
you don't need mana/land/resources you can just GO GO GO and it's really fun
all others tcg/CCG if you down to top deck war , you just drag out and boring
I have been playing "proper" YuGiOh since 2008-9. I don't quit it entirely, I just take breaks when the formats are overbearing. Each era of YuGiOh is literally a different game. The current Tier Zero hell has been a replay episode of past Tier Zeroes in history- nothing really has changed.
Is the game dying? Probably. It has never been harder for anyone to get into this game than ever before. The proliferation of Edison and GOAT formats is the result of that. You basically went from a game that could be played by children to a modern day cringefest solitaire that can only be played by adults.
Konami has never been one to address on the obnoxious card prices, nor the lack brakes for the power creep. People who complain are the first ones in line who will buy the next box set. The irony. It's like that abusive boyfriend you complain about, but you still keep coming back. Lol.
I think taking breaks is the most healthy thing to do, cause really it’s like you said, most people will find themselves coming back to Yugioh at some point cause really, there is no other card game like it.
I still resent the solitaire argument though, if anything the games probably more interactive now than it’s ever been, but there are some, well, glaring issues with one card combos that need to be addressed
@@Viseak The solitaire argument moreso is thrown because of the powercreep that the game fails to catch a rest. That's why I refuse to play decks that summon more than 5x a turn. Here in the OCG (yes, I am an OCG player), locals and even our Japanese neighbors call these combo decks "masterb8ing", and there's a culture of ironically mocking players who only play meta combo decks, hence, we have a lot of pet deckers.
It's not even "interactive" per se. Either you draw the "out" or you're screwed. That's the state of YuGiOh we are in. Everyone plays the same linear 1 card or 1.5 card combo lines. You are not competitive if your deck cannot run enough handtraps or run through hand traps, or run floodgates or run through floodgates.
I don't dislike what YuGiOh entirely has become, as I play it to this day. But it would be disingenuous to not admit that the recent state of the game is not a result of poor card game design.
Alright, you had me the moment you said "If you aren't as stubborn as a brick wall, this game probably isn't for you." I'm so much the guy who slams his head against a wall over and over again, fighting the same Soulsboss hours on end, putting weird and horrible restrictions on myself to make a game more fun to struggle against... and I know 100 % that's the only reason I keep loving Yugioh despite all my frustrations.
@@emeraldeyes5319 same man, same, almost finished Shadow of the Erdtree and it’s been phenomenal
@@Viseak Glad you're having fun with it! I'm looking forward to playing it myself, just haven't got around to it.
Yugioh truly is the Dark Souls of card games!
Honestly Konami should just say f**k it and give every deck insanely powerful decks so not only is everything around the same price because nothing is too op, but it makes the game a lot more fun by having no 'rogue' strategy.
@@tempestst_pr0to that might be a little too far in one direction but I see where you’re coming from 😅
At that point I think you’d just end up with exponential power creep, when the power right now is already creeping quite fast hahaha
Its not deeper or more complex to find your starter and do the same combo line over and over again.
0:54 Well,except in the OCG(at least towards the start), but it was fast in all the wrong ways.
Think MR4 cycle of FTKs fast.
Are you really gonna act like the only way to play Yu-Gi-Oh is to act like you're playing a fighting game in an EVO tournament?
Also, the fact that "hand traps" are now Solemn Judgments on legs is "modern Yu-Gi-Oh".
@@Ticketman99 no lol, there’s hundreds of different ways to play Yugioh, even in the modern format
And they definitely aren’t solemn judgments on legs man hahahaha, that’s an extreme over exaggeration 😅
It’s not that fun tho imo. I don’t understand how getting destroyed after waiting 5-10 minutes in two turns max after having every single thing you attempt to do stopped with nothing you can do except use the same cards they used against you but also cost hundreds of dollars or tedious solo play in master duel/taking the ass whoopings on the chin and not surrendering just to get a thousand gems which based on rng can be all you need or another 5000 + recycling cards/crafting. But that ONE match out of maybe 10 you are rewarded with a somewhat balanced battle with flow.
Yup konami forcing you to finish your battles to progress on your dailies in fucking criminal
I agree with every player who thinks "comboing" is fun but is fun just for the playee who " comboes"
In terms of FGC:
MTG = Street Fighter
Pokemon TCG = Tekken
Yu-Gi-Oh = MvC2
I'd argue Yugioh would be Tekken instead.
I just want to set Marshmallon, and it does something
Agreed. There are just some aspects I would change so I can play more on my turn. More importantly we need a way to get new people
I like the more complicated and faster paced format we have now, but my problem is 2 things:
1. The huge amount of handtraps and negates is just not so fun for me. My opponent having an answer for my entire hand while also having a crazy on card starter is just not fun for me. I like 1 or 2 handtraps, thats some good interaction, but killing my entire hand without trading your hand is just not fun to me. I do agree on the necessity for them, just not half of the deck being handtraps.
2. The price point for the game is out of hand. I have a friend who wants to get into the TCG, and he askes for a budget deck. I gave him a Random rogue liat i had, which was like $70 total. His version of budget was like $40 max, and seeing what most modern decks cost now has him discouraged from even playing.
I do like your point on losing and not blaming lucky draws, cause usually you also might have messed up somewhere else (at least in my experience)
My latest locals is a good show of my experience: nost games were against tier 1-2 decks, and we had a good game where we went back & forth having fun. Matched up against the SE guy, 4 hand traps & bonfire. Matched up against the Tenpai guy, shifter, some other handtraps, and paidra.
But yeah great video anyways 💜
On point 1, I 100% agree but like I was saying, I think this is more a one card combo, Snake Eye in particular, issue, cause that deck just generates a dumb amount of advantage off on SE Ash that it becomes a necessity to run a stupid amount of hand traps to hard counter it before it pops off
Remove snake eye, and suddenly we’ve got a much healthier game
On point 2, yeah, it’s pretty rough. I think it’s getting better, but still not quite in a position where anyone can pick up and play super easily. I think having friends helps a lot though, like a lot of players have a good few decks lying around, so even if it’s not great, there’s probably a deck your friend could borrow off you to get his feet wet no? That’s borderline what I did, I bought structure decks to start but then my mate that got me into the game would lend me some staples and slowly I got interested and progressed from there.
It’s obviously not a solution like the whole borrow a Trident Dragion from your friend situation lol but it can help
There’s definitely a lot you can do different in probably every match you play, even the best Yugioh players see it so I find it funny when the most casual players insist they’re playing really well and only lost cause of sacky cards hahaha
Anywho that’s enough of that, thanks for watching and takin the time to comment 🫶🏼
I think it's a general good outlook on most hobbies. As far as gaming goes, it's a little hard to put invest so much into a thing that doesn't love you back. It can lead to a general frustration in people and they get so doompilled about the thing they depend a lot of their life on. If, however, you have some distance from the game, 90 percent of the issues, at least to me, vanish.
@@nextbigdizzman couldn’t agree more, I think keeping most hobbies at arms length and not getting completely engulfed by them is a pretty healthy approach and fixes so many supposed ‘issues’ as a whole
i really like the digimon game but lorcana is the first tcg ive played that fills the yugioh shaped hole in my heart, not in the same way, not even close there is no where near as much interaction in lorcana but the resource management tickles me in a similar way
@@Joy_inc hey that’s fair enough, go forth and enjoy the hell out of it by all means.
For me something in my brain just can’t get over summoning Elsa to let it snow for game or however it works so idk if Lorcana is ever gonna be my thing 😭
Definitely a skill issue on my part tho
I like playing YGO but I don't consider myself a fan, I didn't grow up with the anime and I officially started playing when Synchros came out.
I tried playing competitively years ago (Zexal - Arc-V) but it wasn't worth it, so I only play decks that I truly enjoy.
30:07 You may be comparing apples to oranges but at the end of the day, both are fruits, just like YGO and motorsports are both hobbies.
We invest money and time to enjoy these things, but when we no longer enjoy them, when they consume our money, time and even our mental health then it isn't worth it.
As a yugioh player it's definitely not dying its more popular then ever with more people ever in most tournaments
lmao the fuggin vine boom edits always kill me. nice vid.
@@zelandmusic lol there’s a fine line with em for me, cause you can go either:
haha funny boom sound
or
Overuse it and go so far off the deep end it’s not funny anymore and your video turns into take a shot every time you hear a vine boom please make it stop
So I almost took em out, but I’m glad I didn’t 🗣️💥
@@Viseak vine boom at 3
One thing that’s not taught well is how to play around hand traps. Two players can open the same hand but how they play it changes what, if any, hand traps that stop them.
Simple examples include searching in the Draw Phase to play around Droll, summoning a negate by summon 5 to stop Nibiru, or chain blocking to stop Ash. Knowing these more technical interactions and how your deck navigates drastically changes how bad hand traps seem to you.
@@joshuatran6526 couldn’t agree more, and I’ll call myself out too I sometimes forget these interactions are a thing, like how you can get a free negate from droplet if you chain it to for example a hornet drones and send the drones from field.
That’s a really obvious one by comparison but still, there are so many little interactions in this game that can completely change how you play, and how games turn out for you.
@@Viseak A similar tangent is that we are taught how to build a board, but not how to break it. This is actually worse at a locals level because you can just luck into winning the die roll to go first in the majority of a 4 or 5 round locals and consider it a good performance without having to make a strong going second performance.
Compare that to a 14 round YCS with 12 wins needed to top, where, even if you always win going first, you are expected to win at least 5 games that you lost the die roll on. An 8 round regional is a little more forgiving with 6 required wins with 2 expected to be going second.
@@joshuatran6526 yeah the bigger the event and the more rounds go by, the much harder it becomes, especially with so many decks reliant on going first, there’s also things like fatigue to consider as well, a whole day of Yugioh can get pretty mentally taxing and you’re more likely to misplay the more rounds go by.
I’ve personally had so much more fun optimising for going 2nd these days though, cause if I win the dice roll, great! If I lose the dice roll, well, I’m probably going 2nd anyway. So the struggle to be the one who goes first is one less thing to worry about
I’m very similar. I started playing YuGiOh on the playground back around the release of the first movie. I fell off after GX ended because my decks went into the washer.
I jumped back in with Master Duel a couple months before Tear format started. A lot of things in the game can be frustrating but after playing Goat, Edison and modern, I VASTLY prefer modern. I’ll play Goat because it’s nostalgic for me but I find Edison incredibly boring.
My favorite way to play is with a friend where we can pick decks that are intentionally around the same power level but I also really enjoy playing a rogue deck into the meta.
Most of the what I enjoy about the game doesn’t exist in the older versions of the game.
Oh man, I had a deck that ended up in the washing machine one time too 😭
But yeah I agree, there’s just so much you can’t do in old iterations of the game that make modern Yugioh fun
@@Viseak it’s among the saddest moments of my life lol
And yeah, so true
Most i got from this video is 1 attendance is high yet i got no locals 2 you should just accept losing (bruh all my locals runs snake eyes i maybe win 1 outa 3 rounds but lose every match). 3 you should just accept rogue if you cant afford the best stuff....coming from a guy who cant phyiscally play.... 4 you only have to shill out a couple hundred to compete eqch month....dude next set the engine alone is gonna cost towards a grand...again... 5just be happy with the prize support...why? Tbh id what to feel rewarded for actually winning 6 you should be happy with the state of the game konami is putting it in....looks at grave yard of failed card games...guess we getting closer to it 6 its just a childrens card game....you and i both know 90 percent of players are over 25 years old...6 new player experience....there is no "new" players getting into this game also the long wording on cards i dont expect new or young players to even bother with this game (you go ahead and tell a 10 year old to play snake eyes as a first deck...ill bet yah he doesnt make it thru a game) 7 overall state of the game is not healthly nor does it promote overall growth most players that are coming into the game are yugiboomers not kids...last time i saw a kid playing this game at a lcs was 8 years ago and i travel around the states and play at different lcs and havent seen anyone below 18 touching this game at what point do we just put the blinders on and say the game is good? Also side note most players that can compete at higher levels have to travel far for said events (most are invites to said events) prize support should least feel like you arent going negative at a event for winning...as a stubborn sacred beast player ima say this i know im gonna lose i know im gonna struggle....but im not gonna sugar coat it and be like this is health cause its not.....
Then again the way you said stuff wouldnt be suprised you like the konami bdsm effect...